SUNDAY MORNING, 8:30

by Lowetide

The summer sun is gifting us with incredible days and stormy nights, and the mind wanders away from hockey and onto other important pursuits. For the Edmonton Oilers, unfinished business hangs over these days and nights—the roster is incomplete in very important places, and the options available for just money are bleeding out onto other rosters.

Tyson Barrie’s arbitration results will come down in the next 24 hours or so, and my guess is that Colorado opts for two years—and then trades Barrie one year from now. I think there is just one obvious name left.

JAMES WISNIEWSKI 2014-15

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.91
  • 5×4 points per 60: 3.94
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 49.1
  • Qual Comp: 3rd pairing
  • Qual Team: 2nd pairing
  • Corsi for 5×5 % REL: 4.7
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 147 shots/5.4
  • Boxcars: 69, 8-26-34

(All numbers via Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com and BehindtheNet.ca)

  • Klefbom—Larsson
  • Sekera—Fayne
  • Davidson—Wisniewski

That is a veteran group of defenders, and if Wisniewski can stay healthy there is an enormous opportunity for him. He could enter free agency in an expansion summer with 35-40 points on his resume. I honestly think this is a likely path at this point—unless Colorado does something rash. I would mention an Oilers offer sheet for an available restricted free agent, but it is such a distant bell.

THE LEFTORIUM

leftorium

  • I think we are at a breaking point with this damnable graph. If Peter Chiarelli had a mind to do it, he could trade two LH defenders for a bona fide RH blue. Klefbom and Sekera are not going anywhere, and I remain somewhat convinced that Brandon Davidson will be in play at some point.
  • I have mentioned Davidson being in play several times over the spring and summer, and always get comments like ‘you are nuts, Davidson has insane value, don’ trade him!’ I would remind you that my opinion (Davidson is an insane value deal) isn’t really the discussion default point for this blog—the default is ‘what might the Oilers do?’ and in this way trading Davidson is a legitimate talking point. After PC traded Taylor Hall, who can reasonably argue against that point?
  • What would Darnell Nurse and Brandon Davidson get you in the way of a young RH defender?

VALUE DEALS

One of the things Edmonton lost in the Hall deal was a dandy value contract. Now, I happen to believe the Adam Larsson deal is a good one, but not at Hall levels. Without Hall, I could point to the Brandon Davidson and Patrick Maroon contracts, and of course Connor McDavid’s contract is a ridiculous value for this and next season. After that? Klefbom could be (seriously) and we wonder about young men like Drake Caggiula. Trading Brandon Davidson is not a great idea, but I absolutely believe he is someone who could be in play. Why? I refer you to the Leftorium, and remind you that Oscar Klefbom and Andrej Sekera are here long term—plus Darnell Nurse and Griffin Reinhart represent Bruinization more closely than Davidson. It could happen, please understand that is different than me saying it will happen. You need to understand that Peter Chiarelli has shown a willingness to release the gold requested—and the past informs the future.

Ordinarily, I would tell my Charlton Heston story (actors who get political should be ignored with extreme prejudice) and we would move on. In this case, I would argue two things: First, there are often issues with language when it comes to what is actually said. Nuance, inflection, facial expressions, all of these things can and do change the meaning of a single sentence. Second: It is very difficult to come away from this article with the same degree of respect for Oscar Klefbom. If what is quoted is what he meant, it is a stark look into a young dressing room that appears to have deep divisions even in the same age group. Stark.

Of all the things you should be worrying about in the Edmonton Oilers organization, the apparent ease with which these quote were apparently uttered are disturbing.

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Bruce McCurdy

SwedishPoster,

Great stuff, thanks. Klefbom’s answer was specific to Hall only insofar as the question was specific to the trade. If he said “we weren’t getting it done against the big teams so it was time to change the mix” would people have been up in arms? The sentiment would be virtually the same.

SwedishPoster

Lowetide,

No worries, took a little longer than usual since I did it on my phone but it’s kinda fun to do.

Saw that Klefbom has clearified a few things. The McDavid thing was as I expected just something that came off as strange, basically just him saying he was flattered by the comments he heard.
And the comment on Hall he says goes for the whole team, himself included, not just Hall. Feels like the original quote was more on individual points being eh pointless if the team ain’t winning and not an attack on ha per se. So I don’t think I was that far off with my reading between the lines tbh.

SwedishPoster

Lots of talk on Klefbom and Hall today. I’ll try to translate, and not just word by word which is what I’ve seen from other swedes(and Google translate) on this topic but instead I’ll try to catch the nuances somewhat. I’ll only do the Q&A part.

On his infection:
“I had a slight redness on my leg, by the skate, throughout the fall but it felt like we had it under control. As long as I played and the skate pressed against my foot there was no problem”
“But then after I broke my finger against the Rangers and was sidelined for a week it got much worse. On christmas day the foot became big as an orange so there was nothing left to do but go to the ER.”
It turned out to be a staph infection:
“Apparently it can be quite dangerous. I was admitted with iv fluids and antibiotics but at the end of the day they decided to operate. They wanted to remove infected skincells and fluid. Despite this it didn’t get better and they had to operate a second time, where they removed more infected parts.”
“Once the wound healed I couldn’t get my foot into the skate. I did everything I could to get back and play the last ten games but once we were out of the playoffs we decided there was no point in taking any chances. There was nothing to gain from playing.”

Reporter: Was it extra frustrating to get sidelined like this since you had started the season so we?

“It was kind of typical. The same thing happened during the 12/13 season when I played with Färjestad. I had tested the waters for two years and started to take big steps in the right direction and then everything was ruined.”
“It really felt like everything was on the right track and in harmony. That’s why this injury came as such a kick in the gut. But now on the other hand you can only be positive and reload.”

Reporter: What’s your status(injury not Facebook , translators note) right now?

“It feels good. The infection has healed perfectly though I do have a big ugly scar. I’ve been to Montreal and got custom made skates since the ones I’ve tried didn’t fit well after the surgery.”
“Now I ‘ve had a good summer of training where I worked out a lot with Jonas Brodin and Marcus Johansson so now I’m heading into the season at 100% and dying to start playing.”

(This next part is a bit strangely worded by the reporter imo but the gist is that a light in the darkness for Klefbom was that his value to the team became obvious in his absenceas the team was much worse without him showing that the player is on the right track , in the article there is no question leading up to the quote just this rather strange statement but this is what Klefbom had to say on the subject)

“Of course you never want to see your team lose, but the difference I made when I was on the ice made me feel proud. It was very flattering when you read media and fans writing” Now we see Klefbom’s greatness”
“There were even some who thought I was more needed than McDavid who was injured at the same time. That obviously gave my ego a boost.”

On the Hall trade(also known as the juicy part…):
“I spoke with Adam, who is in Edmonton right now. He’s looking at an apartament in the building where I live, so we might become neighbours. That would be perfect- because then we could ride together to practises and games.”

Reporter: In Canada the trade that brought Adam to Edmonton in exchange for Taylor Hall has been criticized. What do you think of it?:
“I think the team is better. We already have so many talented forwards and we really needed a high end D who shoots right. I also think Adam will have a massive breakout this season and hopefully I get to play with him and build chemistry.”
“At the same time I understand the reactions. Taylor has been our best player the last few years, but it’s also hard to say what his contributions were. He never played his best games against the best teams, when we needed him the most. He was amazing against the slightly inferior teams though.”
“Now it’s basically up to other promising forwards like McDavid and Draisaitl to step up and show even more. It’ll be very exciting to see.”

Reporter: In Edmonton it’s been deja vu all over again the last few years. The optimism has been brimming every preseason and every year there’s been another failure. Though Klefbom believes the pattern will change this season:

“We’ve added important players like Adam and Milan Lucic. Lucic btw is the exact type of player we need, a player who can create space for others.”
“If we can also have a healthy McDavid the whole season and everyone else kicks it up a notch then I think this will be really good.”

Translators notes:

I’ve shortened some of the reporters part, kept his questions but cut down the “article stuff”.
As stated above the wording from the journalist on the effect of Klef being out of the lineup is not very smooth, feels like the question leading up to the quote was one of those where the reporter puts words in the players mouth, ” so the fact that the team got worse in your absence must have felt good, really boosting your ego right?”, this is just me speculating I have no clue about what lead up to the quote.
The most talked about quote is obviously the one on Hall. I decided to go with best teams and not toughest, the straight up translation is toughest but it could mean both toughest as in most physical and grinding team, or toughest as in most difficult to beat. I went with the latter since his next comment is mentioning inferior/lesser teams, not less physical teams.
It is a pretty blunt statement though maybe not as harsh as it’s been percieved. I personally don’t mind it, one thing if it’s a personal attack, but this is a comment on Hall’s on ice play. It’s hardly an attack on Hall as a player either, he says that Hall’s been the teams best player for several years. He clearly sees that he is a great player. The part on contributions is kinda tricky to decipher but if I was to speculate and add some of my own between the lines reading it’d be something like this; Taylor has been our best player the last few years but it’s hard to say what his actual contributions to the team were since we didn’t win enough games. Again, speculation on my part and I won’t speculate further, at least not tonight.

theDjdj

Lowetide,

Author of the article went back and clarified what Klefblom said. Klef meant the entire team, Including himself, struggled against the better teams which is why the Oilers aren’t a playoffs team. He also clarified the McDavid statement, saying that he found the comparisons flattering- not that he thinks he’s of McDavids calibre.

Of course this could be Klefblom back peddling from the controversy. Up to you as to what you believe. The fact is Klefblom amended what was put on record to not disparage a former teammate. If you assume the worst, you have to at least recognise Klefbom’s desire to not have bad blood.

IMO I think this was horrible cocktail of attention-seeking media, translation issues and over reaction.

http://www.hockeysverige.se/2016/07/31/klefbom-svarar-pa-uppstandelsen-var-bara-smickrande-att-man-var-saknad/

rickithebear

Lt: Nakladal as # 6 or # 7.

Remember i value reducing ga and passing to forwards most.

We really needed klefboms 52 gms missed.

Davidson – Larsson

Klefbom – Fayne

Sekera – xxx

Nurse

Talbot

Woodguy

The Bear necessities?

Mr. The Bear’s Box o’ Protection?

Woodguy

Centre of attention,

I can see why he performs well in your Ricki box metrics.

I though they were now called “The Bearmetrics”?

Measured on a Bearometer of course.

Woodguy

sliderule,

Hall wasn’t making a difference against the good teams.

Yeah, that part doesn’t hold water

Woodguy

–hudson–:
Off topic, but the article shared a few days ago about how analysts should teach thei message had a reference to ‘Big Data Baseball’ and the Pittsburgh Pirates approach. One chapter in and so far so good

http://amzn.to/2arG4QE

If you read the free trial, think most oiler fans can empathize.

Thanks for that.

Purchased!

godot10

Holy hyper over-reaction on both sides, Batman!

Klefbom said Hall was the best player on the team. Klefbom said Hall did not play as well against the best teams. He DID NOT say that Hall was the ONLY one who DID NOT play well against the best teams. They were not doing a root cause anaylsis of the OIlers woes or discussing the entire team.

They were talking about the Hall-Larsson trade, and the Oilers trading their “best player” (Klefbom’s words).

Talk about reading things into an interview that wasn’t there.

Clay

leadfarmer: I guess I don’t quite get what you mean by somewhere down the line.I think it’s quite impossible to be friends with all 22 other competitive people when your team sucks this bad.Given the narrative that has now been repeated so many times that it must be true, that there was a fracture in the dressing room I think the Hall trade was a warning to the rest of the team to shape up or you will be gone and we will not even wait for a fair trade.

When you’re the worst team in the league and a non-destination city, “threatening” to trade people can’t be much of a deterrent.

Also, you don’t trade one of your best players to attempt to “send a message”.

Shizuka

If it was Klefbom’s intent to hammer on Hall, then I’d wholeheartedly agree with LT. However, I just didn’t get that sense from reading the interview comments. The subsequent followup maybe indicates Klefbom has enough sense to realize how potentially inflammatory they could be without the context.. but even so, I still don’t feel there was any ill intent there.

What was more interesting to me was hearing Eberle’s comments at the golf tourney, and Hendricks’ as well. The move was somehow telegraphed and disseminated through various lines of communication that we aren’t privy to as fans. Interesting to ruminate but I still feel that overall, the team’s performance will improve in spite of losing a player of Hall’s ability.

Training camp cannot get started fast enough.

Centre of attention

rickithebear: SO you watched Video EH!

Yeah, I mentioned in another comment I can see why he performs well in your Ricki box metrics. He cross checks like a beast down low and around his net. No forwards like to hang around when 6′ 3” 200+ pound guy is smashing you in the ribs and back.

Then once he shoves the guy off the puck, he has the finesse to make a play. Love this player.

Centre of attention

G Money: Exactly right.

As I noted to CoA in a Twitter DM, Klefbom’s ‘clarification’ might be a result of

“Oops, that’s not what I meant to say, sounds like I was blaming Taylor when that’s not what I meant to do”

but it could also be

“Oops, I shouldn’t have said that, I better backtrack and deny so I don’t look like such an asshole”

Once you’re quoted saying stupid shit, it can’t be erased from the interwebs.

We won’t know, probably won’t ever, which of the two it was.No matter how many times you might declare it to be the first rather than the second, the doubt can never be expunged.

As I said to CoA, I’d like to think the best of Oscar anyway, because he has a history of being a stand up team-first guy, and he only took a modest hit in my eyes … but ‘clarification’ aside, it appears he said what he said.

Agreed, I want to give Klefbom the benefit of the doubt. I think it is option #1 in your 2 scenarios. Klefbom has been a good soldier for the Oilers and there is no reason to believe he hated Hall before this rather surprising article popped up this morning.

Can’t wait for the evening blog post by LT. A change of subject will benefit everyone I think.

rickithebear

Centre of attention: Oiler fans are going to love Larsson.

I’ve been watching as much Larsson video as I can and I can tell everyone two things

1: His slap shot is underrated
2: He’s got a mean streak that isn’t talked about.

As Don Cherry would say “He’s got some guts for a Swede” , Haha.

SO you watched Video EH!

rickithebear

Was trying figure out why PC liked Korpikoski?
2.0 Hits/gm
#16 2.53 PPG/60

SO:
Wingers;
LW Lucic 6’3″229b
#9 Fwd 3.1 Hits/gm
.80 EVG/60
2.12 EVP/60

LW Pitlick 6’0″ 202
#9 3.1 hits/gm

LW hendricks 6’0″ 208
#24 2.8 hits/gm
top 20 PKGA fwd
top 20 FO fwd

RW Pak 6’1″ 215
#41 2.6 hits/gm
top 3 oiler PK fwd

RW Kassian 6’3″ 212
#46 fwd 2.4 hits/gm
.84 EVG/60
1.70EVP/60
1.79 PPG/60

LW maroon 6’3″ 229
#100 fwd 1.9 hits/gm
.69 EVG/60
1.81 EVp/60

LW/C Khaira 6’3″ 215
#100 1.9 Hits/gm

W/C Sallinen 6’2″ 200
1.8 hits/gm
49.3 FO%
5.6 FO/gm
cannot find PK numbers in KHL

RW Yakupov 5’11” 197
1.1 hits/gm
.54 EVG/60
1.25 EVP/60
1.17 PPG/60

LW Pouliot 6’3″ 200
.9 Hits/gm
.75 EVG/60
2.00 EVP/60
2.01 PPG/60

RW Eberle 5’10″185
.6 hits/gm
.84 EVG/60
2.20 EVP/60
1.71 PPG/60

Puljujarvi 6’3″ 208

DevilsLettuce

Players know when their teammates are giving it all and buying in for eachother and when they’re not.

That’s all this boils down to.

The effects of a losing culture.

When you know you’re beaten before it begins.

Hard to give it your best in that situation, No different then any work scenario.

Losing respect for Klef over this is kinda looney.

Just like when NHL coaches got their fangs sunk into eating the swarm alive.

rich

Lowetide,

LT, with all due respect I think the goaltending looks better going into this year than last.

Could it have been better? Possible but we don’t know who Chiarelli spoke to and what they said.

But going into last year, Talbot was not established as a starter and Nilsson had played in all of 52 career games (44 starts) with a .900 save % and 3.09 GAA.

This year, Talbot is more established and we have a career back-up in place with a longer track record than Nilsson. In the 3 seasons prior to last in Detroit, Gustavsson played 41 games with a .904 save % and 2.67 GAA and last year in Boston, he was .908 and 2.72 – numbers that someone here (sorry, don’t remember) said were brought down by his last couple of starts.

Again, it’s possible they should have aimed higher, but they are better than last year – and will be getting more help from a defense in front of them that has more actual NHL defensemen on it than we’ve seen since OTC was here.

leadfarmer

G Money,

Why is it stupid shit? I’m guessing he meant it, and probably isn’t the only one. Years of losing only fractures a room. Canadian cities deserve shitty teams because they blow stupid crap like this out of proportion. I’m guessing he was trying to defend the trade of one of his friends that has been attacked by the interwebs and in the process threw a previous teammate under the bus who is gone. How many cities in the US would this even make it in the papers. And then people wonder why player x chose to play in California or Florida instead of in Canada

sliderule

What a tempest in a teapot.

Klefbom was defending the trade.

Hall wasn’t making a difference against the good teams.

Changes had to be made.

It’s time to get over it.

leadfarmer

Lowetide: Talked with Klefbom who likes the Larsson-trade: “Hall never played his best games against the tough teams”

That story has been running all day. That is going to be a problem. Klefbom’s reputation is pristine, so there is no doubt he can recover. However, this will get mentioned somewhere down the line, that is a fact.

I guess I don’t quite get what you mean by somewhere down the line. I think it’s quite impossible to be friends with all 22 other competitive people when your team sucks this bad. Given the narrative that has now been repeated so many times that it must be true, that there was a fracture in the dressing room I think the Hall trade was a warning to the rest of the team to shape up or you will be gone and we will not even wait for a fair trade.

This is not an attack on Hall. Management should have surrounded him with good players from day 1. Instead they crowned the cluster as princes, threw money at them, surrounded them with expansion level players and then people were shocked when it all came crashing down

G Money

Lowetide: Problem now is that the story is out there, and Klefbom’s reputation has been damaged to some extent. Really too bad, hopefully the Oilers get out in front of the story this coming week.

Exactly right.

As I noted to CoA in a Twitter DM, Klefbom’s ‘clarification’ might be a result of

“Oops, that’s not what I meant to say, sounds like I was blaming Taylor when that’s not what I meant to do”

but it could also be

“Oops, I shouldn’t have said that, I better backtrack and deny so I don’t look like such an asshole”

Once you’re quoted saying stupid shit, it can’t be erased from the interwebs.

We won’t know, probably won’t ever, which of the two it was. No matter how many times you might declare it to be the first rather than the second, the doubt can never be expunged.

As I said to CoA, I’d like to think the best of Oscar anyway, because he has a history of being a stand up team-first guy, and he only took a modest hit in my eyes … but ‘clarification’ aside, it appears he said what he said.

Centre of attention

Lowetide: And yet the goaltending does not look better, the defense isn’t complete and we are looking at a teenager in the top 6F. I think the Oilers are once again in a spot of bother here. Strange organization.

A spot of bother haha. An understatement to say the least. 😉

Clay

Richard S.S.:
Lowetide,

There’s still those GMs who don’t realize they are in trouble yet:
1) Some have Capand/or Budget issues that almost carry on until Game One;
2) Some GMs have more NMCs and valued players to protect than spots are available;
3) There are some GMs that haven’t screwed up yet, some always do.

I think Chia laid down the groundwork for standing pat as a real option. I think there was no small consideration given to who they can protect next summer, and if they blew their brains out on another RHD this summer, that means Davidson is exposed in the expansion draft.

I also think that’s why LT’s idea of Davidson being moved is plausible. If we assume Klef, Larsson, and Sekera are automatically on the protected list, then the only moves left are to bring in a stop-gap (Wiz) who you either don’t have to protect or that you can move at the deadline, or send Davidson out if you’re getting a permanent fix.

Davidson is extreme value (legit defender on sweetheart deal), and that can’t be given away for nothing.

Centre of attention

Lowetide: Talked with Klefbom who likes the Larsson-trade: “Hall never played his best games against the tough teams”

That story has been running all day. That is going to be a problem. Klefbom’s reputation is pristine, so there is no doubt he can recover. However, this will get mentioned somewhere down the line, that is a fact.

Winning will fix everything. Seriously. Its the only way.

Centre of attention

G Money: It’s instructive to see how much sh*t is thrown at Taylor Hall, and to contrast that with how so many Hawks and Kings fans rally around some of the genuinely terrible and jail-worthy human beings on their teams.

I feel you man. *awkward fan to fan hug of understanding*

G Money

Taylor Haul 9000 (my stats PC) is grinding away on the next version data release of WoodMoney.

In addition to kinder gentler nomenclature (per feedback from GCW and a few others, it now reads Elite, Middle, and Gritensity rather than Elite/Muddle/Dregs), there are CF/DFF rates, rels, and raterels.

And due to the recent KlefGate scandal, splits based on playoff vs non playoff teams.

Because Oilers, Beer League Heroes, and Oilers Nerd Alert will have the link when ready.

Rondo

Adrian Dater ‏@adater 11m11 minutes ago
Don Meehan, Barrie’s agent, tells me the sides settled right before arbitrator was to render decision

leadfarmer

Lowetide: Problem now is that the story is out there, and Klefbom’s reputation has been damaged to some extent. Really too bad, hopefully the Oilers get out in front of the story this coming week.

Why is his reputation damaged? Hall is gone. There will be stories about the Hall Oilers leaking out in the next few years. Most of the good players across all sports hate losing and make it tough on their teammates when they do lose, for example ask Kobe Bryant’s teammates about him and how things were when they were losing. I can only imagine how hard it was for Hall to lose night after night. It’s not his fault, it’s not Klefboms fault. It’s incompetent managements fault. Good for Klefbom, let the frustration out, I’m tired of the mindless Canadian hockey playing zombies like Crosby that say what is the proper thing to be said.

G Money

Centre of attention: Again, these kinds of tabloid type narratives only come from losing teams. This kind of head ache won’t happen when/if the Oilers start winning.

It’s instructive to see how much sh*t is thrown at Taylor Hall, and to contrast that with how so many Hawks and Kings fans rally around some of the genuinely terrible and jail-worthy human beings on their teams.

Derek

You all realize this story is being written in Sweden, by a Swedish writer talking to a Swedish defenseman about friend and compatriot who was just traded in a deal that most North American media have been calling god awful since the day it was made, right?

It kind of looks like Oscar is just sticking up for a friend who’s name has been dragged through the muck over here just because he was unfortunate enough to be traded for Taylor Hall. He didn’t really do the best job of it because he’s young and dumb, but that’s life.

Its a whole lot of nothing to me, I don’t care about the narratives the media, fans etc spin about the dressing room, the culture and what have you.

I imagine Taylor will line Oscar up the next time the two play and hopefully neither of them are injured and that will be it. Chances are both of them will go on the IR for the remainder of the season when Taylor trips and falls attempting to hit Oscar who shatters like a pane of glass on contact though, because Oilers.

*Edit to add: It looks like you’ve all mostly moved on, sorry for re-engaging in Oscar-gate, I should’ve refreshed.

Richard S.S.

Lowetide,

There’s still those GMs who don’t realize they are in trouble yet:
1) Some have Cap and/or Budget issues that almost carry on until Game One;
2) Some GMs have more NMCs and valued players to protect than spots are available;
3) There are some GMs that haven’t screwed up yet, some always do.

Centre of attention

Lowetide: Problem now is that the story is out there, and Klefbom’s reputation has been damaged to some extent. Really too bad, hopefully the Oilers get out in front of the story this coming week.

Yeah. I still think the author is partly at fault for trapping the poor kid with a specifically worded question.

Media will do anything to get their desired quote, even take things out of context. Shocking.

JJ Hebert did a decent job of putting out the Yak fire, and young Nail looks ready to attend camp after it was all but certain he wanted out of this sh*t hole.

Again, these kinds of tabloid type narratives only come from losing teams. This kind of head ache won’t happen when/if the Oilers start winning.

Richard S.S.

So things get interesting with Barrie off the possible trade market.

Centre of attention

Ola Winther ‏@OlaWinther 21m21 minutes ago
Got an Klefbom update for you: Talked with Oscar again and he wanted to add to his previous statements.. (1/3) #Oilers

Ola Winther ‏@OlaWinther 19m19 minutes ago
First and foremost Klefbom said: “All of our key players underperformed, including myself. Not only Taylor Hall”.. (2/3) #Oilers

Ola Winther ‏@OlaWinther 18m18 minutes ago
Klefbom: “I would never compare myself with McDavid. I was just flattered when I read that some guys were missing me more than him” #Oilers

BOOOM MUTHA FUKKA’S. Alright. I’ll calm down now. But I was right. All along.

Centre of attention

Lowetide: I always look for passing, and he can pass very well. He also has the ability to just get rid of the puck without making things worse. I never thought that was an underrated skill until the last 10 years.

Agreed on the passing.

His slap shot is low and accurate as well though and gets to the pillows more often than it doesn’t. The problem is NJ forwards can’t cash on the opportunities at even a league average rate. Even then, Larsson still managed more even strength points than Sekera who got a full dose of Hall and McDavid.

Larsson’s also really good at the Ricki box because he crosschecks like a beast down low in his zone. Watching video, he looks well suited for the western style of game. He is the kind of guy that can “lean on the opposition” like Chiarelli keeps talking about, while also having some finesse to his game.

AsiaOil

Frank the dog: Is that fair?

Yup – well said.

AsiaOil

I’m not wading not this cesspool but this issue has been ignored for years. There was obviously 2 groups of players on the Oilers for the past half decade. The chosen ones and the non-chosen ones. Some were accountable and others were not. Some had to step up to the plate against the bad bad team of the west and others did not. This is the 2nd player who has implied there was a BIG problem within the space of a month – Lucic flat out said the Oilers were patsies. Who do you think he was talking about? Letestu? I’m not going to interpret what Klef said but this issue has been but there for ages and some people simply don’t want to admit it exists.

Lowetide:
artin dohfOs Lundén
‏@dohfOs

#Oilers Klefbom: unfortunately, he (Hall) rarely had his best games when we played the toughest teams, when we might’ve needed it the most

Yeah. Lost some respect for Oscar today, I have to say.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Interested in the translation promised by Swedish Poster.

I think things are getting blown out of proportion and possibly mistranslated and/or taken out of context.

We all love this team, and desperately want them to win. Winning is the balm that solves all.

“You put the balm on? Who told you to put the balm on? I didn’t tell you to put the balm on! Why’d you put the balm on?! If you gonna put a balm on, let a doctor put a balm on! Where the hell did you get that damn balm anyways? So a Maestro tells you to put a balm on, and you do it?! Do you know what a balm is?? Have you ever seen a balm? Didn’t you read the instructions? No one can tell what a blam’s gonna do! They’re unpredictable!”

Woodguy

GCW_69,

If he did mean Western Playoff teams then he wasn’t really wrong.

Well if you look at my post we get:

51 games vs Western Conference

30 vs Playoff teams (59%)
21 vs Non-Playoff teams (41%)

He had 32 games where he was a positive relative expected goal share
He had 21 games where he was a negative relative expected goal share

Hall with a Positive Relative Expected Goals share vs WC playoff teams is 18. 18/32 = 56%
Hall with a Positive Relative Expected Goals share vs WC non-playoff teams is 14 = 44%

That’s almost bang on to his Playoff vs Non-Playoff WC distribution of 59% and 41% , so saying:

If he did mean Western Playoff teams then he wasn’t really wrong.

Isn’t correct.

His distribution of negative RelxGF% was:

Playoff 12/19 63%
Non-playoff 7/19 37%

Again, within 4% of the game distribution.

The “WC playoff team” thing is a myth as well.