RE 16-17 BENOIT POULIOT: NEW YORK CITY

by Lowetide

Since Benoit Pouliot went down with an injury that ended his season, the left wing position has seen major change on the Edmonton Oilers roster—to the point where there could be some questions about where he fits. No matter, Pouliot is a terrific answer to whatever challenge the Oilers choose to deploy him in. (New York City)

BENOIT POULIOT 15-16

  • 5×5 points per 60: 2.05 (4th among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 3.75 (6th among regular forwards)
  • Corsi for % 5×5: 51.0
  • Qual Comp: 6th toughest among regular forwards (2nd line opp)
  • Qual Team: 5th best teammates among regular forwards (2nd line linemates)
  • Corsi Rel: 7.9
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 109/12.8%
  • Boxcars: 55GP, 14-22-36
  • (All numbers via Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com and BehindtheNet.ca)

VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER

VOLLMAN LW

RE 16-17: 62GP, 17-22-39 .629

  1. How good is he? A very good NHL forward. His 2.05 5×5 points-per-60 ranks him No. 37 among NHL forwards with 400 or more minutes in the discipline. (Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com)
  2. Who likes Pouliot? I do, most analytics folks do, probably the Pouliot’s who know him, neighbors, dog, people in his complex. ‘Like’ is probably too mild a word—he is a really good player.
  3. Who doesn’t like Pouliot? The people who roll their eyes when he takes penalties in the offensive zone.
  4. Why don’t they like Pouliot? He takes penalties in the offensive zone.
  5. How much offense does he deliver? Per 82 games, BP has scored 18-21-39.
  6. That isn’t much for $4 million. Since arriving in Edmonton, he has delivered 51 points per 82 games, he just can’t stay healthy for 82 games.
  7. What is he? He has pretty close to a complete skill set, making him one of the best complementary players on the team. Pouliot has enough skill to play (and succeed) on a top line, and he forechecks well—that is where he gets the penalties. I never worry about those penalties, those are the kinds of penalties that are easy to kill.
  8. What? What?
  9. Why do you constantly mention interrupting sorties? You know how the Oilers can never make a damned pass out of their zone because some pesky forward is either interrupting or intercepting a pass? That is Pouliot on the Oilers, he does that to opponents effectively. He and Nuge are the forecheckers on the Oilers who can gain possession when the other team is heading up ice. BP is a very good forward in this area.
  10. Who did he play well with? Pouliot is a plug-and-play veteran, having had success with all centers. He clearly enjoyed his time with McDavid (2.94/60 5×5; 53.6 percent Corsi for percentage), less so with a clearly struggling Nuge (1.60/60 5×5; 49.1 percent Corsi for percentage). Corsica has him doing well with multiple linemates.
  11. He gets injured a lot. Pouliot plays a rugged style, and his injuries are not wimpy little maladies. Shoulder, broken foot, on it goes. He is a tougher player than some believe.
  12. Maroon makes him moot! No. Not at all.
  13. Maroon will win the 2line job. Well, I have Pouliot getting more time than Maroon on the 2line, but I do think we will see both men alongside Nuge and or Leon.
  14. Who scores more? Well, BP gets his RE first, so a good guess would be him.
  15. Why does he score more? I think Pouliot is a better offensive player (5×5/60), so he is going to be a very effective player on a soft minutes third line—and the best available option for the 2line.
  16. You have him scoring less than last year, though. Yes. I think the Oilers will have several wingers moving up and down the lineup—and he could be playing with a very young Leon and a rookie in Puljujarvi—so a small dip in offense should be anticipated.
  17. How much did he play on the power play last season? 128 minutes, he went 4-4-8 at the 5×4.
  18. Same output this season? I actually have the Oilers power play improving this year, and Pouliot with 12PP points, 27 at evens. Increases in both totals, but he is also projected to play seven more games.
  19. How many forwards do you have playing top 6F at one point or another next season? I have McDavid, Eberle, Lucic, Nuge, Leon, Pouliot, Yakupov, Maroon, Kassian, Puljujarvi—not necessarily in that scoring order. So that is 10 forwards inside the top 6F at one point or another. Drake Caggiula could also play there, but that seems a stretch.
  20. Will the Oilers trade him before his contract expires? I think so. He was not signed by the current general manager, a less expensive (if lesser) winger has been procured (Patrick Maroon) and he should have enough trade value to move the needle. He has three years left, and a team like Anaheim might consider him a worthwhile addition.
  21. Could he be traded this season? Probably. Edmonton’s LW depth chart (Lucic, Pouliot, Maroon, Hendricks) is not strong enough to weather a loss, but if they traded Pouliot and signed Pirri the offense would be replaced.
  22. But who would take those offensive-zone penalties? Heh. Pouliot has terrific value beyond the points, wish I was certain the Oilers agreed on that point. I think they have a sense that he doesn’t use his size enough.
  23. How many goals does Edmonton score in this RE? I can’t tell you, but it is more than a year ago—mostly due to the power play.
  24. Would you do Benoit Pouliot for Cam Fowler? I think the Oilers should try to solve the RH defense problem without creating a hole elsewhere.
  25. Why this song? It is a great song, love the guitar. It reminds me of buying punk albums at Obscure Alternatives in the old Tegler Building. I would drop in, buy five albums with my money earned, head home and listen to bands from England with weird names and safety pins hither and yawn. Fun times. The connection to Pouliot is very thin—he played in NYC—but I wanted to get this song into the group.
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dustrock

Gagner signs with Lumbus 1 year $650K.

Richard S.S.

Lowetide

If the Blue Jays do not get a Starter in trade today, you can start worrying about them again.

Jethro Tull

I find it very disrespectful that people keep spelling Garnyay’s name incorrectly.

Pou’s a great complementary player. And a bone fide NHL player. Cannot have enough of ’em.

He plays Chia’s style. Chia’ll keep him.

Richard S.S.

Lowetide,

A healthy McDavid and only 135? Top Line might score very close to 100 by themselves.

Jethro Tull

What a complete waste of time for everybody the Barrie negotiations turned out to be. I wonder if Roy is the guy Sakic thinks he is.

First proposal from Barrie – 2yrs, $6M
First proposal from Roy – 2yrs, $4M

Turns out that Barrie gets arguably the better deal in 4yrs for half a million less. Would love to have known the arbitrators intended award, but holy, all that money and time for basically what Barrie wanted in the first place.

Peopla may say that the Avs did it to see what was out there for him, but i don’t think he’s that astute. In fact, i don’t think he’ll see out Barrie’s contract.

npanciroli

Love BP. I would see if BP RNH Eberle clicks again this year and roll Maroon Drai Puljujärvi as a soft minutes 3rd line.

Lowetide:
Btw, forgot to mention. Top 6F goals last season: 112. Projected this season: 135 goals. ALmost ALL of that is McDavid being healthy (and the PP).

So it looks like you have Lucic healthy McDavid healthy (healthy RNH?) putting up 23 more goals than Hall, 1/2 McDavid etc.

Jethro Tull

If we have a scoring D man, or one who can actually keep the puck in the o-zone with out tripping over his feet as if a huge spider ran across the bottom of the shower, then that will contribute to the goals scored.

Lots of interlocking circles!

Sign Wiz for $1.5M, subject to medical.

frjohnk

Richard S.S.:
Lowetide,

A healthy McDavid and only 135?Top Line might score very close to 100 by themselves.

Scoring goals is tough in todays league.

There were 4 guys who had 40 goals or more in the league last year.

Oilers in the 80’s a few times had 4 guys on the team who scored 40 or more in the same year!

Scoring 35 goals in todays league is like scoring 50 if not more, in the high scoring era. 8 guys scored 35 or more last year.

If Lucic, McDavid and EBERLE play most of the year healthy, Id expect something like one of McDavid/EBERLE hitting 30, the other guy in the high 20’s and Lucic around 23. Something around 80 for those guys total.

JD_Wry

The Demics… well isn’t that something. Punk rock and London go together like stink and leather jackets – even if it’s London Ontario.

Also, I find it surprising that Goneyay signed for six fitty. I thought he would get very close to the $925k that can be buried in the minors. He really wants to stay in NA.

stephen sheps

That’s some good obscure Canadian punk. Totally agree with
JDï™, there’s something about London and punk that just seems to work, even if it’s fake London (quite possibly my least favourite city in Canada for a whole host of reasons…)

Pouliot is about as close to the Pisani as the team currently has – while they do different things, he’s definitely a veteran presence who can plug and play throughout the lineup and help in almost all situations. This is a more than reasonable RE.

Ducey

Jethro Tull:
If we have a scoring D man, or one who can actually keep the puck in the o-zone with out tripping over his feet as if a huge spider ran across the bottom of the shower, then that will contribute to the goals scored.

Lots of interlocking circles!

Sign Wiz for $1.5M, subject to medical.

You look at the medicals first, then sign him.

I imagine a few teams have and the meds have not checked out.

He likely will have to do a PTO.

Davidson on the right side is better than a broken righty.

Jethro Tull

Ducey: You look at the medicals first, then sign him.

I imagine a few teams have and the meds have not checked out.

He likely will have to do a PTO.

Davidson on the right side is better than a broken righty.

I believe i covered that with ‘subject to medical’.

Davidson doesn’t yet generate the offense. If he continues his great development curve this year, then absolutely.

rickithebear

Pouliot: last 2 seasons
56.5gm 16.5g 18.5A 35P

Once again 25 gm of #14 or 15 fwd is not good.

Another 15.5gm means
72gm 21G 24 A 45P

That is sill 10 gms of not pouliot.

Jethro Tull

Lowetide:
If Edmonton goes into the season with:

Klefbom—Larsson
Sekera—Fayne
Nurse/Reinhart—Davidson

I am more fine with it than most, but the problem comes with an injury inside the top 4D. You have Davidson who can move up, but what this team badly needs (without an addition) is for one or both of Nurse and Reinhart to take a step forward.

Still struggling to see where the points come from with that D.

Some good players, but we need career season/unrealistic production from two or more of these players.

History shows us that it isn’t going to be Fayne or Larrson or Reinhart. We need Sekera to put up 30 assists, not 30pts and we just haven’t seen enough of Klef to know anything. That leaves Davidson.

frjohnk

Lowetide:
If Edmonton goes into the season with:

Klefbom—Larsson
Sekera—Fayne
Nurse/Reinhart—Davidson

I am more fine with it than most, but the problem comes with an injury inside the top 4D. You have Davidson who can move up, but what this team badly needs (without an addition) is for one or both of Nurse and Reinhart to take a step forward.

I think Reinhart and Nurse both make a good step forward.

The question marks are the top 4.

Will Klefbom be healthy and will he be a good top pairing Dman?

Will Larsson do a face plant going from the most defensively structured team to one of the least defensively structured teams? I’m betting his defensive metrics will take a hit, but some untapped offense will surface.

Will Fayne be the guy who allowed a league best HDSCA/60 with Jersey, or will he be waiver fodder like last year at the beginning, or will he be in between?

Sekera is the only guy in the top 4 who we know what we are going to get.

Frank the dog

What do you prefer: More points per game by a person who gets injured most years, or more points per year by a slightly less skilled player who doesn’t get injured?
Edits:
I’m thinking relative to Poo.
But I think I know how Chia feels.

Jethro Tull

Lowetide: Fourth forward on the PP point could work too.

True, so that fixes the PP, for the sake of argument.

What about that first pass out of the d zone?

Have a feeling we may see Reinhart replace Fayne.

Who knows, maybe Larrson flourishes, or at least shows promise, with increased o zone time.

fifthcartel

Lowetide,

I know the Larsson deal was a mammoth deal in terms of Hall going out, but otherwise it still feels very strange at how little they have done this off season.

Larsson deal. Lucic in. Korpikoski buyout. That’s pretty much it, and they still don’t have a PP option or depth on RHD.

Having Davidson play his off side with one of Nurse (struggled badly)/Reinhart (the bonus child) seems less optimal.

Having a Davidson-Fayne third pair would be the most logical solution imo, but I’m sure they’re counting on Nurse/Reinhart, or even Musil to take the next step, as per the Oilers usual way of running their hockey team.

stephen sheps

Lowetide: I worked for over a decade in sales, and of course marketing and planning and research are a big part of that. London, Ontario is a major test market for Canada BECAUSE it represents—or represented—Canada. Edmonton received some of that a few years ago—mostly as a test market because it was in fact a fresh and growing market. Hope to get back there soon!

I actually understand the appeal of (fake) London. It’s really quite pretty in the summer, UWO is a very good university (that I can’t ever work at), but I have a couple of exes that live there and a whole host of bad memories that obscure the good parts of that place. Test market makes sense, and the parallels between Edmonton and London do exist – the emerging/growing market especially. I find the London accent as a really strong representation of what people think of as “Ontario” in the same way that the Edmonton accent feels like a representation of Alberta as a whole.

I hope you get back there too, especially if it means a Toronto trip on the side. There’s a whole bunch of us out that way that would probably want to buy you a beer.

Oilspill

Jethro Tull:
If we have a scoring D man, or one who can actually keep the puck in the o-zone with out tripping over his feet as if a huge spider ran across the bottom of the shower, then that will contribute to the goals scored.
There’s a reason Wiz has bounced around. He’s injury prone and not that seller on D. I’d rather see a solid D moved in so we are tougher in our own end. Yes he can put up points but he has only been a plus player on good teams. Even signing him cheap is a high risk because of 4 previous acl injuries.

Lots of interlocking circles!

Sign Wiz for $1.5M, subject to medical.

There’s a reason Wiz has bounced around like a pinball.

Jethro Tull:
If we have a scoring D man, or one who can actually keep the puck in the o-zone with out tripping over his feet as if a huge spider ran across the bottom of the shower, then that will contribute to the goals scored.

Lots of interlocking circles!

Sign Wiz for $1.5M, subject to medical.

Ducey

Jethro Tull: I believe i covered that with ‘subject to medical’.

Davidson doesn’t yet generate the offense.If he continues his great development curve this year, then absolutely.

There is a difference. If you sign him then you could get in a dispute over whether the medicals “check out” or not. Better to look first, sign later.

Jethro Tull

Oilspill: There’s a reason Wiz has bounced around like a pinball.

And that is?

stephen sheps

Lowetide:
If Edmonton goes into the season with:

Klefbom—Larsson
Sekera—Fayne
Nurse/Reinhart—Davidson

I am more fine with it than most, but the problem comes with an injury inside the top 4D. You have Davidson who can move up, but what this team badly needs (without an addition) is for one or both of Nurse and Reinhart to take a step forward.

I am also more ok with it than most, and I think Davidson’s offence will surprise us in year 2. Considering his usage last year he generated pretty decent numbers in the 5-7 slot he was placed in and I have a feeling he and Larsson will be battling it out for PP2. I think Griff will improve somewhat as well, but still see his bonuses as a roadblock to making the team out of camp.

frjohnk: I think Reinhart and Nurse both make a good step forward.

The question marks are the top 4.

Will Klefbom be healthy and will he be a good top pairing Dman?

Will Larsson do a face plant going from the most defensively structured team to one of the least defensively structured teams? I’m betting his defensive metrics will take a hit, but some untapped offense will surface.

Will Fayne be the guy who allowed a league best HDSCA/60 with Jersey, or will he be waiver fodder like last year at the beginning, or will he be in between?

Sekera is the only guy in the top 4 who we know what we are going to get.

These are the most important questions of the offseason. If any one of these players regresses substantially from their established levels of ability, the team really doesn’t have the quality depth to deal with it, yet… they will soon, but not soon enough.

I’m with you on Larsson showing more offence than many predict, but which Klef and which Fayne will the team get out of the gate?

fifthcartel

Lowetide,

That’s true, and they could still sign Wisniewski and a depth forward, but seems strange that both Versteeg and Santorelli signing overseas when they could have had nice roles as depth RH forwards.

Sproul or maybe Green?

Jethro Tull

Ducey: There is a difference. If you sign him then you could get in a dispute over whether the medicals “check out” or not. Better to look first, sign later.

That’s what ‘subject to medical’ means. You sign him subject to a satisfactory medical evaluation by the Oiler’s medical team, or trusted contractor.

Extremely common practice in the soccer world. I would guess with the money involved, it’s the same in all pro sports.

Ben

Anyone have insight on Vermette?

Jethro Tull

Lowetide:
Coyotes waive Vermette, buyout coming. Edmonton?

Now there’s a decent veteran.

Eastern Oil

Lowetide,

stephen sheps,

Absolutely LT, I’m 20 mins from London and a cold beer will always be available for you.

On a separate note, what are your babysitting rates since you may be in the area?

russ99

With Barrie off the market and the Oikers seemingly not adding further, we’re falling into the same MacT-era mistake of overvaluing our own rookies/prospects ability to handle NHL-level sorties

I just hope that when the kids end up overmatched that Chiarelli makes moves to fix it. I really don’t want to see a last place team in December again when injuries inevitably strike.

Centre of attention

Vermette could be my 3rd line center any day.

Ca$h-McMoney!

So he was 4th on the Oil in 5×5/60 but 37th in the NHL? That seems odd given the Oilers lack of scoring and poor overall play.

Or I’m reading that wrong.

Ben

If we add Vermette and–don’t jump down my throat here–Wideman, for next to nothing, that feels like a more complete summer, to me.

Eastern Oil

Steve Burtch (@steveburtch) has a good series of tweets on Vermette. May be a guy whose reputation is still ahead of his production.

RexLibris

Pouliot is as close as I’ve seen the Oilers get to the “Pisani” type since Pisani. He’s not a perfect fit, but as close as they’ve come (I think Ryan Jones was their idea of Pisani for a time).

Absent Hall, Pouliot becomes a roster necessity because he’s got a very good defensive conscience on the wing.

Jethro Tull

Ben:
If we add Vermette and–don’t jump down my throat here–Wideman, for next to nothing, that feels like a more complete summer, to me.

After reading Rex’s great series on the Oiler’s Rig about referee’s feeling they have to give ‘equalization’ calls, I think the equalization call for Wideman could last all season long!

JD_Wry

Jethro Tull: And that is?

He’s a Pinball Wiz!

stephen sheps

on the subject of Vermette:
https://twitter.com/BmoreDaveS/status/760149018622226432

I still think he’d be a fine 3C, which could help give Leon cover/move to 2RW and keep JP on a good development curve, but the numbers from last season aren’t stellar…

can WoodMoney provide any insight into the player?

Jethro Tull

JDï™: He’s a Pinball Wiz!

There’s got to be a twist?

How do you think he does it?

What makes him so good?