RE 16-17 NAIL YAKUPOV: SUPERMAN’S SONG

by Lowetide

Nothing is promised to anyone. You can work your fingers to the bone, you can run out every groundball, you can work late on proposals, you can be top choice and you can go the extra mile. Some people work hard, other people work smart, and if you work smart and hard you will never be wanting for a career. I believe Nail Yakupov worked hard as an Oiler, but am less sure he worked smart. The bet here is that it doesn’t matter anymore. (Superman’s Song)

NAIL YAKUPOV 15-16

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.35 (8th among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 3.46 (7th among regular forwards)
  • Corsi for % 5×5: 49.2
  • Qual Comp: 10th toughest among regular forwards (4line opp)
  • Qual Team: 8th best teammates among regular forwards (fourth-line teammates)
  • Corsi for % Rel 5×5: 2.3
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 127/6.3
  • Boxcars: 60GP, 8-15-23 .383

VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER

VOLLMAN RW

 

RE 16-17: 70GP, 11-13-24 .343

  1. Clearly you are betting Yak loses the 2R job? I think Jordan Eberle gets the 1R job, and then the 2R job goes to a combination of Leon Draisaitl, Jesse Puljujarvi, Yakupov and a couple of others. By season’s end, suspect JP has the 2line R job.
  2. The numbers for Yakupov seem low. Not really, he is averaging about 25 points per 65 games in his last three seasons. I do not think he gets a power-play push in the coming season.
  3. His shooting percentage a year ago was poor. Did you correct for that? Yak scored about five fewer goals than one would expect from a skill player based on shots. My projection is closer to average range, but the young Russian has been going the wrong way since his rookie year.
  4. What is the best thing about him? He is a talented skill player. Yak can stick handle, pass, shoot and has reasonable speed. There is an NHL player there, I believe that to be true.
  5. What is the worst thing about him? He is making the same mistakes now as he did as a rookie. Whatever instruction he has received, it is either too much, not enough or delivered in a way he cannot understand or is beyond his aptitude.
  6. Example? Late in the season against St. Louis, Darnell Nurse labored for 20 seconds to fend off a big Blues forward, finally getting the puck out past the blue line and to Yakupov. Nail took the puck, stickhandled back into the zone, passed the puck to Nurse (with the same St. Louis forward now bearing down on him) and skated off the ice. Nurse iced the puck, and Yak’s shift continued.
  7. He had a bad shift. He has been doing that kind of thing forever. I cheer like hell for Yakupov, but he is either so overwhelmed with coachspeak or his brainwheels don’t turn. I don’t like to be harsh, but those are the two options.
  8. How can you blame him? I am not sure blame is the right word. I think Nail Yakupov may need a second opinion. The Oilers have been bad medicine for lots of young players—Justin Schultz, others—and some of those guys turn out okay.
  9. Who is to blame? The management. Seriously. Never, ever let anyone tell you different.
  10. Why? If you draft a gifted, raw, Russian winger, HAVE A PLAN.
  11. Can you believe he outlasted Taylor Hall? Kind of strange, for sure. The world as we know it is over.
  12. His possession number improved. Playing with McDavid was a giant part of that result. He was 2.63 at 5×5 with 51.9 Corsi for 5×5 with McDavid, and 0.83 5×5 with 48.1 Corsi without McDavid. No question about who is zooming who.
  13. Ideally, where would you play him? I would have him on a line with McDavid.
  14. Why? I would like to see Edmonton try to ice three scoring lines. It is there, but you have to feature Yakupov on a top line—and he cannot play with Nuge, it just does not work.
  15. Couldn’t you play him with Leon on the 3line? Sure, but the options for R are Eberle, JP, Yak, Leon and Kassian. There are never enough puzzle pieces for three legit scoring lines. Leon would have to play center, Puljujarvi—teenage rookie—would need to play on a tough minutes line.
  16. McDavid or bust? My guess is Yakupov will be the odd man out unless he gets a push on the 97 line.
  17. Does Yak deserve that? For me, the question isn’t about deserving, it is about best deployment. I think Yakupov could get to 20 goals on a McDavid line, if Milan Lucic doesn’t kill him.
  18. What will he need to do? Yakupov’s role on the team is probably tenuous, there is probably a very narrow window of opportunity for him to play on the McDavid line. If he scores a bunch of goals early, maybe he wins the day. RE is about reasonable, for me it is a distant bell.
  19. What is your RE bet? Eberle plays with McDavid, Puljujarvi runs on a 3line that faces the soft parade at the beginning, moves up late. Leon gets time as 2R, as does Eberle when Yak is on the McDavid line. Others are in the mix, but by season’s end the R depth chart (for my RE) would be Eberle, JP and then Yakupov if he is still here. Kassian could disrupt the party, we will discuss that next week.
  20. Will he be traded? I don’t think so, the value is so poor.
  21. Will he be signed next year? No, I think he will be made available in the expansion draft—and could be a hit in Las Vegas. There is also a chance he heads back home. This is the last chapter of the Yakupov Edmonton book, in my opinion.
  22. How much is the agent to blame? Hey, the agent and player did not handle this well—but your question allows management to wiggle off the hook. Stay strong on this—the answer is management.
  23. Why? We have been over this. In 2012, the Oilers drafted a flawed young player. If you go back to Hall (and Eberle) as rookies, they were gifted a veteran center in Shawn Horcoff. Despite scoring seven of his 10 even-strength goals as a rookie with Horcoff, Edmonton put the Russian rookie with Sam Gagner most of the time. The young man needed structure.
  24. What is the ideal scenario? Yakupov scores 20 on the McDavid line, learns the position, ends up being a part of the team. I would have predicted it, but it is not realistic.
  25. Why this song? Proof positive that pop lyrics can be brilliant. It is a song about supremely talented people who have to struggle just like the rest of us. They are dogged by the daily rigmarole of going about their business, by self doubt, by the mundane. Despite so many talented people making things look easy, that ease comes from hard work, dedication, luck and the ability to comprehend, learn, and apply those lessons to the chores at hand.
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stevezie

Woodguy: Ben should have worried more about flailing around on his stomach before the puck was shot.

This is completely beside the point.

The point is just not that important.

Was Hall universally beloved? Clearly no. Some smoke betrayed fire.

Does this matter? Probably not on a better team.

Summertime sadness.

stevezie

ashley: If the whispers turn to a roar, for how long are you going to defend this position?Do you know more than NHL players who played on the ice with Hall?

This seems fair to me.

We all defend him because he’s good- and we were right to do it. How could we know? Forget the rumors. Forget them in the ear.

But whispers are growing.

Which does not make it a good trade!!!! (It wasn’t)

Just means… well not sure what it means. Just maybe Hall wasn’t beloved. Make of that what you will.

Thread closed. Drunk stevezie with last word.

theres oil in virginia

Centre of attention: Klefboms statements I knew from the beginning were taken out of context. Scrivens threw shade as an Oiler so I’m not surprised he’s chirping now that he’s safe across an ocean.

LT is right though, maybe Scrivens was taken out of context. I won’t give him the benefit of the doubt like I did Klefbom though, because I know Scrivens has a history of this BS. He admitted it himself on the Steve Dangle podcast, I quote:

“One of my biggest issues in Edmonton was getting to worried about the guys in front of me, I didn’t focus on my own game. I was concerned with how our defense were playing, I saw grade A chances developing in front of me.”

So there you have it. F*ck Ben Scrivens until further notice.

Are you disputing his statement? I thought it was dead on, and confirmation of what I thought was obvious, that the defense was in such a state of chaos that it threw him off his game. Mind you, that never bothered Hasek in Buffalo.

Centre of attention

AsiaOil:
Man I stayed out of this on purpose. Agent, management, coaching, deployment, Austin clique and above all Yak himself. There is no lack of blame to go around. As GMoney said – this player is not without merit – he’s a #1 pick for god’s sake. Oilers are so spoiled they felt like they could throw one away which is bizarre. The kid always tries though which has kept me on board and it’s been sad to see his passion for the game bleed out. Hope that changes and will wait to see how the season goes – but I’ve got to say – I think he may be a good fit with Lucic who will also help fix a room dynamic that froze Yak out as soon as Horcoff/Hemsky were thrown over-board by MacT and the Dementor. If you want to know when this all went south – you can look no further than that summer.

Well said.

AsiaOil

Man I stayed out of this on purpose. Agent, management, coaching, deployment, Austin clique and above all Yak himself. There is no lack of blame to go around. As GMoney said – this player is not without merit – he’s a #1 pick for god’s sake. Oilers are so spoiled they felt like they could throw one away which is bizarre. The kid always tries though which has kept me on board and it’s been sad to see his passion for the game bleed out. Hope that changes and will wait to see how the season goes – but I’ve got to say – I think he may be a good fit with Lucic who will also help fix a room dynamic that froze Yak out as soon as Horcoff/Hemsky were thrown over-board by MacT and the Dementor. If you want to know when this all went south – you can look no further than that summer.

maudite

No idea on the zone exit and entry problems but I do really hope when they are sifting through his tapes someone keys in on the 14-15 end of season. When he stopped the slapshot wind ups, while centered by Roy, and went more with snapshots he hit the net way more and subsequently scored at a decent clip.

Difficult position and hopefully they do play him with Mc jebus his passing has always been underrated imo. They are too hard and fast for most but Connor suited those just fine.

Centre of attention

Woodguy: Ben should have worried more about flailing around on his stomach before the puck was shot.

Oiler D has been historically bad the last few years, but Ben wasn’t helping for a significant part of his tenure.

For sure.

I could live with the odd head scratching goal against, but when he gave the poor helpless rookie d-man in front of him a death stare that crosses the line for me.

Centre of attention

SwedishPoster,

Thank you indeed for your Berglund update. I don’t know if you noticed me ask about him in the other thread, but thanks anyways because what you just posted was exactly what I was asking for!

I’ve been excited about Berglund since I saw his boxcars leap off the Elite Prospects page I was reading and slap me in the face.

Woodguy

SwedishPoster,

Then he mentioned a few players he was extra impressed by and one player he mentioned was Filip Berglund as a youngster who had taken “giant leaps” physically. So anyway with these very brief prospect news I’m off to bed.

Sweet!

Thanks for that SP!

You’ve earned your rest sir.

Woodguy

godot10:
Chiarelli forked the rebuild with the Hall trade.The King is dead.Long live the King.

There seen to be many leftover runaway and defunct processes littering the oilogosphere,

Can you extrapolate please?

Woodguy

Centre of attention: Klefboms statements I knew from the beginning were taken out of context. Scrivens threw shade as an Oiler so I’m not surprised he’s chirping now that he’s safe across an ocean.

LT is right though, maybe Scrivens was taken out of context. I won’t give him the benefit of the doubt like I did Klefbom though, because I know Scrivens has a history of this BS. He admitted it himself on the Steve Dangle podcast, I quote:

“One of my biggest issues in Edmonton was getting to worried about the guys in front of me, I didn’t focus on my own game. I was concerned with how our defense were playing, I saw grade A chances developing in front of me.”

So there you have it. F*ck Ben Scrivens until further notice.

Ben should have worried more about flailing around on his stomach before the puck was shot.

Oiler D has been historically bad the last few years, but Ben wasn’t helping for a significant part of his tenure.

SwedishPoster

A Nail Yakupov thread going off the rails. Who knew.

Anyway sorry to go off this heated topic but there was a short comment from Skellefteås strength & conditioning coach in local media today. They are doing their pre season physical tests these days and had finished the strength part. Skellefteå is known for having the toughest and best off season training in the SHL. Very demanding and a big part of the teams success the last few years. In Sweden much more of the off season training is done together as a team, everyone usually has an individual program but you do it together, great way to instill good habits in young players imo.
First he mentioned that the team had the best results they’ve had since he started coaching. Then he mentioned a few players he was extra impressed by and one player he mentioned was Filip Berglund as a youngster who had taken “giant leaps” physically. So anyway with these very brief prospect news I’m off to bed.
Now back to your regularly scheduled program. Next up, Yak the Firestarter, about a young Prodigy who could heat up any forum at any time and set fire to the Oil.

HT Joe

Kiltymcbagpipes: Man, I can’t wait for the season to start so fans and former teammates can stop talking about Taylor freaking Hall and focus on the great players WE DO HAVE. Then again it’s been a couple years and the Legend of Petry continues to grow so I’m not holding my breathe…..

I’m one of the posters here who still drags up the Petry trade (sorry LT), so I’m curious what the legend of Petry is exactly? He’s a strong #3 RD who played top minutes in Edmonton since he was the best option. MacT traded him away for a pair of underwhelming draft picks and lost the trade by a wide margin. The Oil RD group has been beyond embarrassing ever since. Is any of this untrue, or are some posters claiming more outlandish things that I haven’t keyed in on?

Because no legendary exaggeration is required for the Oilers to look like losers because of this trade. 😀

G Money

Pouzar,

Oh look, another. Yakupov pity party. Sigh.— Vaughn Woodruff (@conkanen) 5 August 2016

Sorry, I misremembered ‘pity party’ for ‘lovefest’. That *completely* changes what I was saying.

Not.

Pouzar,

Seems you have a knot in your shorts about the comment. To be clear – at no time am I suggesting that you are engaging in said commentary. You haven’t been active in this thread til now.

I’m taking a direct – and justified IMO – shot at you for calling commentary that pushes back against contrived and unjustified (so unjustified the only rationale I can theorize for it is xenophobia) discussion on Yak a ‘pity party’.

Every post or thread that suggests that Yak might not be all bad seems to offend you.

Why is that?

JD_Wry
semi legendary rot lobster

bait

godot10

Chiarelli forked the rebuild with the Hall trade. The King is dead. Long live the King.

There seen to be many leftover runaway and defunct processes littering the oilogosphere,

Chachi

Bar_Qu:
Or we could watch a monkey fire an AK-47s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Q77zCf-ig

Damn Dirty Apes!

Bank Shot

Yakupov has been so underwhelming as a first overall pick.

Here’s hoping he takes Reasonable out behind the toolshed, doinks his wife, and kicks his dog this upcoming season.

There isn’t much reason to expect the light to suddenly go on for Yakupov given his track record, but if he could become a solid second line winger this year that would be huge for the Oilers season.

Bar_Qu

Or we could watch a monkey fire an AK-47s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Q77zCf-ig

JD_Wry
pts2pndr

G Money:

I can understand looking for cargo shorts as you wander in the desert alone! I happen to agree with you and think that Yak gets all the heat when the whole team went sideways for two years. He was the new kid and the easy target. Lest we forget coaching and management insisting the message was correct are the real culprits! My appologies for going all godot10 but LT has a definite point that there are a number of management types that are ready to jettison Yak! I believe he has a 40/60 percent chance to remain an Oiler past this year and that is a very sad commentary on the organization as a whole.

Centre of attention

Lowetide:
We have now passed acceptable discussion and reached my outer limits. From this post on, ridiculous posts will be deleted. Seriously, people.

Agreed. Everyone needs to understand there is a right way and a wrong way to disagree with someone.

I’ve been guilty of crossing the line myself, but I like to think we should all learn our lessons eventually.

Centre of attention

npanciroli,

I cant wait until Hall takes a run at an Oiler in the first game against us. Then he will draw a penalty when Lucic tries to go over and face wash him.

Hall scores on the following powerplay putting the Devils up 1-0 and all of Oil coutry loses their minds on both sides of the fence.

Book it.

leadfarmer

npanciroli:
Seeing how well Hall does in NJ this year and the reaction because of it is going to be dynamite.

I give him 65 pts for next season. Always felt he was overrated by this fanbase a bit.

Centre of attention

season not played: Why don’t these very smart and powerful people in hockey who put together teams for Canada’s entries in best on best tournaments name him to the team?

That one my friend is a mystery. F*ck mike babcock? Also, the guys who run team canadas roster vote as a group so some of then may know Hall is amazing but the idiots out number them.

Team Canada could be assembled by a team of monkeys and they would still find success because of the quality of the talent pool is amazing.

Pouzar

G Money: xenophobic character assassination

WTF?

Holy f^ck are you for real?

I actually had to get off my phone and log in to my computer to read this shit.

season not played

Centre of attention: It was a roarbefore and even ifits a roar again I wont change my feelings on Hall.

Very smart and powerful people in hockey KNOW Hall is a fanstastic hockey player. The numbers and eye test agree. Hall is a fantastic hockey player. What have you got to defend your position?

Why don’t these very smart and powerful people in hockey who put together teams for Canada’s entries in best on best tournaments name him to the team?

npanciroli

Seeing how well Hall does in NJ this year and the reaction because of it is going to be dynamite.

Pouzar

G Money,

If yer gonna take a dump on my tweets at least get the quotes right in the future.

Centre of attention

ashley: If the whispers turn to a roar, for how long are you going to defend this position?Do you know more than NHL players who played on the ice with Hall?

It was a roar before and even if its a roar again I wont change my feelings on Hall.

Very smart and powerful people in hockey KNOW Hall is a fanstastic hockey player. The numbers and eye test agree. Hall is a fantastic hockey player. What have you got to defend your position?

Ducey

G Money: This tells me all I need to know about your objectivity in assessing Yak.

Buh bye.

Right. Because on a thread where our fearless leader predicts he will have a fabulous 24 points and may be out of the league, I am the one with objectivity issues.

You on the other hand saying he regularly the best player on the ice, are bang on.

So bang on, you try conflate Nurse’s situation with Yak.

Yak sucks. Whether Nurse sucks (he doesn’t) has nothing to do with whether Yak sucks.

I hope Yak doesn’t suck. You see glimpses of a player there. But in his 5th year, he better turn things around in a hurry.

ashley

Centre of attention: Klefboms statements I knew from the beginning were taken out of context. Scrivens threw shade as an Oiler so I’m not surprised he’s chirping now that he’s safe across an ocean.

LT is right though, maybe Scrivens was taken out of context. I won’t give him the benefit of the doubt like I did Klefbom though, because I know Scrivens has a history of this BS. He admitted it himself on the Steve Dangle podcast, I quote:

“One of my biggest issues in Edmonton was getting to worried about the guys in front of me, I didn’t focus on my own game. I was concerned with how our defense were playing, I saw grade A chances developing in front of me.”

So there you have it. F*ck Ben Scrivens until further notice.

If the whispers turn to a roar, for how long are you going to defend this position? Do you know more than NHL players who played on the ice with Hall?

ashley

I don’t know what it is about Nail Yakupov that makes sane, level-headed thinkers say what they say about him.

Yakupov has had some brilliant stretches playing with good NHL players, showing excellent hockey sense and tremendous vision. Yakupov has a very good shot though you will hear people mock him for missing the net “all the time”. Yakupov is the furthest thing from lazy, yet “lazy Yak” is frequently uttered.

When things don’t add up, the answer is usually some sort of personal issue. Some people don’t like Yakupov. That, at least I can make sense of. I wish that is what I would read instead of the elaborate stories with carefully selected stats and ignoring other stats to frame him in a fashion that helps fans give reason why they don’t like him. Not referring to the blog post BTW, which I think is level and fair.

I see a substantial player in Yak. Projecting his play with quality linemates over the course of an entire season is mind-boggling.

I accept the RE above because that is basically what he has done between injuries and 3rd/4th line assignments (and frequent benching) over the last few years….on average. But as LT said, given the right opportunity, this player could kick out the jams.

LT, you have had Yak traded for the past two summers and at the last trade deadline in probably more than 10 posts. So I’m going to take the over on “Yak’s last chapter as an Oiler”. He outlasted Hall, and I think he is set to surprise you again. The best part, is you are going to love being wrong! 🙂

Centre of attention

pocession charge: How about Oscar Klefbom?Fuck him, too?

Klefboms statements I knew from the beginning were taken out of context. Scrivens threw shade as an Oiler so I’m not surprised he’s chirping now that he’s safe across an ocean.

LT is right though, maybe Scrivens was taken out of context. I won’t give him the benefit of the doubt like I did Klefbom though, because I know Scrivens has a history of this BS. He admitted it himself on the Steve Dangle podcast, I quote:

“One of my biggest issues in Edmonton was getting to worried about the guys in front of me, I didn’t focus on my own game. I was concerned with how our defense were playing, I saw grade A chances developing in front of me.”

So there you have it. F*ck Ben Scrivens until further notice.

Kiltymcbagpipes

G Money: He may be a rookie, but that’s because he spent two additional years in Jr.They aren’t that far apart.

Furthermore, Yak’s impact as a rookie was vastly better than Nurse’s impact has been.So even if you equate them (which as I note, wouldn’t be fair, since Nurse’s rookie year occurs after an additional two years in lower leagues), Nurse is still wanting.

The other criticism is a perfect example of why this seems to be vendetta driven rather than evidence driven.The criticism of Yak’s play seems to be from people who watched his rookie year and either didn’t watch him at all this year, or watched him but didn’t care to engage (or didn’t have to spare) the few brain cells needed to see the vast difference in his game now.

Both the number and type of brain farts that he undergoes has reduced markedly this year.His play in both zones is better.The bees are fewer.

He positively impacts McDavid’s line when he’s on it, and he drags the horrible bottom 6 up when he’s with them.They remain terrible, but they’re better.That seems to be dragged out as a Yak character flaw, pointedly ignoring that no Top 6 player on the team, including McDavid, makes that bottom 6 respectable.

Yak is the only player on the Oilers who was able to play more than an hour with Korpikoski and drag him to near-respectability – an astonishing result considering Korpikoski was easily one of the five worst forwards in the league this year by any objective measure you can find.

Buy yeah, sure – let’s give all the bad players a pass, and focus on Yak.

The invective (AHL, can’t play, trade for pucks) is just astounding.

You’re a smart guy but way off base here G. This is a Yak thread not everyone is dumping on just him Nurse gets his share of the flack too. Just wait for his RE thread you’ll see. You cant compare each other’s previous season it makes no sense.

G Money

Ducey: I don’t know what you are talking about. He is regularly the best player on the ice?

Yak regularly has brilliant games?

Come on, Man!

This tells me all I need to know about your objectivity in assessing Yak.

Buh bye.

G Money

Kiltymcbagpipes: I love Nurse more than most but I can assure you if he’s still doing the dumb shit he did last year 3 years from now I’ll be dumping on him too. Comparing a rookie defenseman’s season to a former #1 overall RW’s 4th season isnt a fair comparison at all.

He may be a rookie, but that’s because he spent two additional years in Jr. They aren’t that far apart.

Furthermore, Yak’s impact as a rookie was vastly better than Nurse’s impact has been. So even if you equate them (which as I note, wouldn’t be fair, since Nurse’s rookie year occurs after an additional two years in lower leagues), Nurse is still wanting.

The other criticism is a perfect example of why this seems to be vendetta driven rather than evidence driven. The criticism of Yak’s play seems to be from people who watched his rookie year and either didn’t watch him at all this year, or watched him but didn’t care to engage (or didn’t have to spare) the few brain cells needed to see the vast difference in his game now.

Both the number and type of brain farts that he undergoes has reduced markedly this year. His play in both zones is better. The bees are fewer.

He positively impacts McDavid’s line when he’s on it, and he drags the horrible bottom 6 up when he’s with them. They remain terrible, but they’re better. That seems to be dragged out as a Yak character flaw, pointedly ignoring that no Top 6 player on the team, including McDavid, makes that bottom 6 respectable.

Yak is the only player on the Oilers who was able to play more than an hour with Korpikoski and drag him to near-respectability – an astonishing result considering Korpikoski was easily one of the five worst forwards in the league this year by any objective measure you can find.

But yeah, sure – let’s give all the bad players a pass, and focus on Yak.

The invective (AHL, can’t play, trade for pucks) is just astounding.

stevezie

I hope this doesn’t come off as an insult LT, but with this song selection you really went up a notch in my books.

I highly, highly, highly recommend their album I Don’t Care That You Don’t Mind. Their musics finally catches up with their lyrics.

I am starting to wonder how much of the trade was a hockey decision. And if any of the many, many (going back to Moreau and Souray) veterans who insinuated there was a problem with the youth in the dressing room deserve an apology from fans who didn’t want to hear it.

I also wonder how much a harmonious dressing room matters if the team is winning.

Or if this is just vultures circling a losing team and finding ways to create problems where there are none.

Fucking summer. Terrible time to pay attention to hockey.

Ducey

G Money: So when he’s in the discussion for being the best player on the ice – an occurrence with some regularity – what is he riding on? Good fortune? Luck? Coincidence?

I don’t know what you are talking about. He is regularly the best player on the ice?

Yak regularly has brilliant games?

Come on, Man!

The Oilers can’t even get a 3rd round pick for him.

He is a below replacement player in every regard.

And Nurse was in his first NHL season. He is currently at 71 NHL games. He was at anywhere between 3 and 71 games experience last year. You would expect a rookie defenseman (a tougher assignment than a winger) to struggle.

Yak was in his 4th NHL season. He has 252 games. He is playing wing.

Oiler Fans understand the difference.

Kiltymcbagpipes

pocession charge: How about Oscar Klefbom?Fuck him, too?

Man, I can’t wait for the season to start so fans and former teammates can stop talking about Taylor freaking Hall and focus on the great players WE DO HAVE. Then again it’s been a couple years and the Legend of Petry continues to grow so I’m not holding my breathe…..

Kiltymcbagpipes

G Money:
Ducey,

So when he’s in the discussion for being the best player on the ice – an occurrence with some regularity – what is he riding on?Good fortune?Luck? Coincidence?

You know who hasn’t yet displayed any legit hockey sense, has very few games (well, let’s be honest – none) where he’s the best player on the ice, and gets by entirely on physical prowess?

Darnell Nurse.

Some of the same people who shit incessantly on Yak will defend Nurse to the ends of the earth. Nurse’s measurable impact on the game is still several notches (to put it kindly) worse than that of Yaks.Neither of them has yet learned to play defense.When paired with good players, Yak can score and handle good players.Nurse can’t.

They are a year and a half apart in age.

This isn’t to shit on Nurse, not at all.The team’s coaching and management are handling him badly (though not nearly as badly as they’ve handled Yak), giving him way too many minutes against way too tough opposition.

And if they permanently fuck up Nurse’s development, the finger will rightly point at management, as it should.

Interesting to note how little criticism Nurse takes for his consistently poor play from the same fans who will rip Yak’s play while pointedly ignoring the brilliant games he, unlike Nurse, regularly puts up.

This is what I don’t get about so many Oiler fans.

They see no problem with ripping the fur off young, often teenaged players, for not being mature – while giving management a complete pass.

Beyond belief.

I love Nurse more than most but I can assure you if he’s still doing the dumb shit he did last year 3 years from now I’ll be dumping on him too. Comparing a rookie defenseman’s season to a former #1 overall RW’s 4th season isnt a fair comparison at all. Theoretically, with experience comes better decision making.

Yak deserves the criticism it’s been 4 years no excuses. Nurse gets a pass for his rookie season but still has a long ways to go.

G Money

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G Money

Ducey,

So when he’s in the discussion for being the best player on the ice – an occurrence with some regularity – what is he riding on? Good fortune? Luck? Coincidence?

You know who hasn’t yet displayed any legit hockey sense, has very few games (well, let’s be honest – none) where he’s the best player on the ice, and gets by entirely on physical prowess?

Darnell Nurse.

Some of the same people who shit incessantly on Yak will defend Nurse to the ends of the earth. Nurse’s measurable impact on the game is still several notches (to put it kindly) worse than that of Yaks. Neither of them has yet learned to play defense. When paired with good players, Yak can score and handle good players. Nurse can’t.

They are a year and a half apart in age.

This isn’t to shit on Nurse, not at all. The team’s coaching and management are handling him badly (though not nearly as badly as they’ve handled Yak), giving him way too many minutes against way too tough opposition.

And if they permanently fuck up Nurse’s development, the finger will rightly point at management, as it should.

Interesting to note how little criticism Nurse takes for his consistently poor play from the same fans who will rip Yak’s play while pointedly ignoring the brilliant games he, unlike Nurse, regularly puts up.

This is what I don’t get about so many Oiler fans.

They see no problem with ripping the fur off young, often teenaged players, for not being mature – while giving management a complete pass.

Beyond belief.

Bar_Qu

Ducey,

Yep. Coulda, shoulda, woulda

Ducey

Bar_Qu:
Ducey,

I didn’t mean my reply to come out snippy at you. I am weary of the same faces running the org year over year, blaming individual players for not being better. I’d like to see a few more gone, notably Lowe, even if he is already separated from the hockey ops.

I agree Yak needed to slow down his game and play a little more controlled, and I even think AHL time would’ve done that. But he would’ve had to play two more years at the junior level before he was eligible for that, and he would not have grown as a player if he had stayed in the OHL.

Coaching was an issue, player deployment/support was an issue and an emphasis on “1st round pick, then Blam, Cup” was an issue as well. For Yak, an undisciplined player who needed a steady hand on and off the ice, to not improve in that system can’t entirely be on him.

I appreciate the honesty and civility in your responses.

Hey, no worries.

Good point on the return the OHL.

Tough situation all around.

I wonder what kind of offers the Oilers had for the #1 that year. Might have been the best option.

Bar_Qu

Ducey,

I didn’t mean my reply to come out snippy at you. I am weary of the same faces running the org year over year, blaming individual players for not being better. I’d like to see a few more gone, notably Lowe, even if he is already separated from the hockey ops.

I agree Yak needed to slow down his game and play a little more controlled, and I even think AHL time would’ve done that. But he would’ve had to play two more years at the junior level before he was eligible for that, and he would not have grown as a player if he had stayed in the OHL.

Coaching was an issue, player deployment/support was an issue and an emphasis on “1st round pick, then Blam, Cup” was an issue as well. For Yak, an undisciplined player who needed a steady hand on and off the ice, to not improve in that system can’t entirely be on him.

I appreciate the honesty and civility in your responses.