SUPERSTITION

by Lowetide

When you believe in things that you don’t understand
Then you suffer
Superstition ain’t the way

-Stevie Wonder

If you haven’t read it, you must read it. That isn’t an order, that is just stating the obvious. I won’t quote it much because you should read the words in their proper order. It is here. Wow.

  • Friedman: In Hall’s case, a couple of Oilers believe the organization wanted to make it easier for McDavid’s influence to grow in the room. “Taylor’s a dominant personality,” one said. “That’s not a criticism. That’s who he is.”

Wow. That is a fascinating passage. I believe it, Friedman dug up a brilliant gem and in doing so cast an enormous light on the thinking of Oilers management in regard to this player (Hall). It also suggests (imo) the organization continues to make decisions based on things other than winning. It sounds like they were convinced Hall was not a positive influence in the group. Your mileage may vary, but for me the quality of this player is such that living with whatever downside there may be would be the play here. Edmonton has been worried about the mix ever since they became a losing organization. Edmonton has been worried about the mix ever since they became a losing organization.

That said, most of this goes away if the Oilers post a winning season in 2016-17—making the lack of balance on the current roster even more curious. Peter Chiarelli is a veteran general manager, I believe he is well aware of the need for at least one more move to improve this group. What’s he building in there?

Yost is a smart cookie and I think this passage really matches the reality of this morning. The anecdotes of the Hall deal are all the things we usually hear about this kind of trade—and if you are upset now, wait until you read the 2016-17 boxcars a year from now. Peter Chiarelli needs to make certain that the Oilers turn north this season, and that means a year of roster change is on the way. Standing pat and waiting for the expansion draft may sell in some cities, but for the Oilers the time is now.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

It should mean the Oilers will be very quick to move if there are roster holes this year. Backup goalie, the situation at center and the famous need for a righty blue are all obvious spots—but there are concerns on skill RW and the Nuge is coming off a poor season. Oh by the way Oscar and Brandon were hurt a lot of last season.

One thing I do want to say: Adam Larsson should be a strong addition to this hockey club. I understand the deal is not a popular one with most fans, and I have made my opinion clear. I will tell you this: Larsson’s underlying numbers defensively do seem to be quality. Darcy and G’s work suggests it, the smart people I talk to (who do not want their names mentioned here) confirm it (while also reiterating it was not a value deal).

Folks, this is the reailty. Hall for Larsson was a poor trade, but it did improve the balance of the roster. The Oilers made a very risky move, we know it and have to live with it. The thing I cannot understand is this: Why stop here? Baffling. It is almost as if the entire organization lacks urgency. Again!

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

We are back with the September rush. TSN1260, 10 this morning. Scheduled to appear:

  • Scott Burnside, ESPN. Scott is at USA camp (World Cup of Hockey) in Columbus, we will talk early days and make sure everyone is healthy.
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Eskimos lost the LDC against Calgary and wake up this morning in a playoff race.
  • Jonathan Willis, Cult of Hockey. Hall—Larsson, and the curious summer in goal for Edmonton.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. The Hall trade revisited, CFL weekend and the Jays in a pennant race.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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Ca$h-McMoney!

I read that “a couple of Oilers” to mean that was a player statement, not a management one.

There are 100 reasons to be critical of this trade. I’m not sure the quoted passage is one of them.

Pouzar

“Why stop here? Baffling. It is almost as if the entire organization lacks urgency. Again!”

I was convinced they were DONE before his last interview. I don’t think he is. Or at least not done trying. Not signing another vet RW is puzzling to me however.

Ducey

Ca$h-McMoney!:
I read that “a couple of Oilers” to mean that was a player statement, not a management one.

There are 100 reasons to be critical of this trade. I’m not sure the quoted passage is one of them.

+1

There is a long way from to Friedman calling a couple of Oilers players about the trade and having them say: “I don’t know, I guess maybe they wanted to clear to room for Connor”, and saying Chia traded Hall to clear the room.

Jethro Tull

It is also worth bearing in mind that it isn’t Larsson’s fault he was traded for Taylor Hall.

As LT states, the rest of the article must be read for context, in particular when Shero’s comments about the cap and Chiarelli’s comment “we weren’t close on anything…” These words, more than any others should put to bed any backtalk about how he should have traded x,y,z for Subban and signed Demers.

Straight from the horse’s mouth. Nobody was going to make the Oilers substantially stronger in one area without weakening us in another. Not even out of conference. It makes sense.

12 percent body fat

Hey LT, now that the oilers are pretty big up front would you be able to do a post on average forward and defense size for the Pacific division.

I think the oilers may be one of the top two in the division now. Would be interesting to see a dirrect comparison of height and weight.

npanciroli

Great read LT.

I really want the season to start so we can finally see the results. I’ve had to remove a lot of people from my Twitter feed, I find regardless of what you think of the trade there has to be some tact and openness when discussing it. Sweeping statement all around.

I found the Friedman article gave people the ammunition to shit on Oiler’s management all over again.

It was literally two Oiler players making a guess.

Counter argument, maybe Chiarelli really needed to fix the defence and Hall was his best trade chip for a rare commodity. His personality had nothing to do with it.

npanciroli

Pouzar:
“Why stop here? Baffling. It is almost as if the entire organization lacks urgency. Again!”

I was convinced they were DONE before his last interview. I don’t think he is. Or at least not done trying. Not signing another vet RW is puzzling to me however.

I feel the exact same way. Still working on D, happy with forwards (I would get another RW also).

40oz__

” It also suggests (imo) the organization continues to make decisions based on things other than winning. It sounds like they were convinced Hall was not a positive influence in the group.”

I don’t really agree with either of these statements, of course Chiarelli made this decision based on winning. It’s ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Also, I don’t believe that quote suggests that they believe Hall wasn’t a positive influence. I think it suggests that they believe this provides clarity for the teams future and where it’s leadership lies.

G Money

36 percent body fat,

I will probably do this. I was doing this before key matchups a couple of seasons ago when size was a real concern (it was less so last year, even before Maroon arrived).

The main thing is that just doing a straight roster height/weight comparison isn’t very useful..

You need to weight it by TOI.

Otherwise, teams with big monsters on their fourth line and third pairing look like they are bigger than the actual time they spend on ice would indicate.

Gretzkin

Hall was traded because the players didn’t like him. To have a winning environment, it helps when your top players get along, no?. Dressing room cancer? Not so sure about that, but arrogant enough that the players on his team didn’t like him and I suspect this was widely known on the inside of the NHL as it hurt his value for trade, as well as spots on International rosters.
Sort of a PK Subban Light type situation.

12 percent body fat

G Money,

totally agree, sme thing can be said about age. I remember some team being younger than edmonton a few years ago but it wasnt the key players like it was for the oilers.

We can maybe start off keeping it simple than try the per minutes thing.

Whats the per minute formula you would use. size x minutes / 60?

or average size per line (first, second, third, fourth) and PP\PK units?

ACalgaryOilFan

Not to take too much from the article but I think the quote that lays out why it Larson cost Hall is the following – “Everyone knew we were looking for a defenceman,” Chiarelli said last week.

Also agreeing with other who are stating that in no way Hall was traded because of culture. It was the price for Larson.

Also I think we can put to bed that Chiarelli only looked at Larson, clearly he was shopping around ie. Dumba, Barrie, Faulk, Subban, Shattenkirk.

Its not cheap asking for something that no one owes you and when you are the one needing something that others know you need.

Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons

Shero’s comments (in article) on the trade read like he’s trying to take some of the heat off ChiaPete so Chia won’t be hesitant to trade with him again.

Yeti

I think the only really interesting nuggets to come out of this were:
1) That Oiler-Habs conversations were really short, so Subban never was on Chia’s radar for cap reasons.
2) That Chia tried hard to leverage more out of the Hall-Larsson trade but was unsuccessful. He still decided to pull the trigger.
3) Other deals were in short supply and the decision to find balance at a cap-friendly hit overrode the loss of a dynamic player.

It seems clear to me that, despite all the innuendo about culture change, Chia did not set out to trade Hall. That stuff seems conjecture and I’m not sure why it becomes the story.

npanciroli

Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons:
Shero’s comments (in article) on the trade read like he’s trying to take some of the heat off ChiaPete so Chia won’t be hesitant to trade with him again.

Or he knew the value Larsson brought his team. Just like what Schnieder said about losing him.

Caribbeerman

Taylor Hall is a very good hockey player…an excellent player. So was Mike Gartner.

Gartner never won a Stanley cup. Despite all his individual talents and awards he is not thought of or associated with a particular winning team (he played for 5 teams) or as a central building block or center piece of a team. And again he was a truly amazing player!

Teams with dominant players up the middle – goal, defense and center win championships and the Oilers had to sacrifice one of their top skilled players to try to achieve this. I would have preferred for that player to be Eberle and/or Yakapov for Mr. Larsson…but I am not going to second-guess the trading of Hall. All I really care about is winning and I think the trade pushes Edmonton closer to that objective.

frjohnk

Most here know I am pro Hall, believe he is a dynamite player and was sad to see him leave.

But I know nothing of the person Hall. And have never commented about his off ice stuff but I do have a bit of of a story on how one executive feel about Hall.

I do work sometimes with a guy that is really good friends with Babcock. So I have had the chance to hear a few times what Babcock ( or Babs, some of his buddies call him that) has said about different things.

Babcock said that Hall ( this was mid July or so)

-was not the fit in the room the other two are” ( RNH and EBERLE)
-very good player
-playing on Edmonton has hurt him ( development wise)
-Edmonton needed to trade one of them to fix the D.

One other interesting tidbit, before Roy left, the Avs were an absolute gong show.

JimmyV1965

Gretzkin:
Hall was traded because the players didn’t like him. To have a winning environment, it helps when your top players get along, no?. Dressing room cancer? Not so sure about that, but arrogant enough that the players on his team didn’t like him and I suspect this was widely known on the inside of the NHL as it hurt his value for trade, as well as spots on International rosters.
Sort of a PK Subban Light type situation.

Seriously? You have absolutely no idea about the inner workings of the dressing room. The one fact we do have is Hall and McDavid were roommates. This is no defence of the trade. Just idle, lazy speculation.

elgruntus

Jethro Tull:
It is also worth bearing in mind that it isn’t Larsson’s fault he was traded for Taylor Hall.

Just as it wasn’t Reinhart’s fault. Just as it wasn’t Horcoff’s fault they backed a Brink’s truck up to his door. Hater’s gonna…you know

Bruce McCurdy

36 percent body fat,

G Money,

You are both bang on. One needs to do a “weighted” average (pardon the pun). For years the Oilers bulked up their average weight with guys like Steve MacIntyre, JF Jacques, Zack Stortini and Luke Gazdic at the bottom of the roster, with the odd Keith Aulie and Kurtis Foster on the back end. Problem was, none of them played all that much, and hardly at all with a game on the line.

I wrote this post at the nadir of the problem in 2014. Later that year Oilers chose Draisaitl over Bennett and Drai’s plus size was likely the tie-breaker.

For sure Chiarelli has made it a huge priority adding big guys who can actually play a top nine role. Lucic is the poster boy, Maroon and Kassian two other “heavies” who can play. All three also address the age issue raised by 36 Percent Body Fat in that they are full grown men, not willowy 21-year-olds getting ground into fine powder while the Luke Gazdics of the world watch from the bench.

danny

I’m ready for the Hall trade to be past history, so despite it being a quality article from Friedman, it’s only going to serve to provide ammo for both sides entrenched in their opinions on this trade. It will prove to one side that Hall is a cancer, and to the others that the Oilers are making moves based on things other than winning.

I’m in the neutral territory on this as I really liked Hall, and recognize what he brought to the team… But can’t reconcile the sentiment that trading Larsson for a Dman was for anything else other than winning. We always emphasize balance here, and the move was from an area of strength to help the most glaring and expensive hole to fill.

Did they get full value? Most people say no. But are probably underestimating the trade value of a winger vs a defenseman. You can’t swap a top 5 winger for a top 5 defenseman. One is simple more expensive than the other. So the fact that they traded a top 5 winger for a top 20 defenseman, despite the logical conclusion is a lot closer to actual value than people feel is the case.

In summary, the chasm in value between Hall and Larsson has been overstated.
The balance of the team is a lot better than it was before the trade.
The critical point on this trade will be Larssons effectiveness in EDM, as opposed to possible alternatives such as retaining Hall and signing Demers.

Gretzkin

JimmyV1965,

I’m not defending the trade, I didn’t want to see him go for .60 on the dollar either. I thought his public persona was more mature last year and he looked like he was growing into a leader. I was shocked to find out he was thought of in the dressing room to the contrary.
I’m just stating that’s why he was traded. If it was well known that the players don’t like him (they don’t), one could see how that could hurt the team and value for trade, non?
It’s not really speculation, I do have a source and the words came out of a player’s mouth.
They didn’t like him.

kneedeepinit

I rarely disagree with you Lowetide but I think that you may be reading too much into the statements.

It appears that several Oiler players thought Hall was standing in the way of Connor’s leadership. That opinion may not have anything to do with Chia’s decision. It may or it may not. The opinion of the players and Chia’s motivation may be mutually exclusive ideas.

My takeaway from the article was that Chia was going to address the defence this summer regardless of cost. The trade may not have been the best value but, taken in context of our team needs and 10 years out of the playoffs, may have been the best move. 10 years of mismanagement meant that Chia was forced to make a move.

Richard S.S.

It doesn’t matter whether or not a GM actually says it, but “it’s all about the cap.” Everything a GM does is cap-related. Actual cap space is illusionary, it’s never truly real.

I truly believe the Hall-Larsson deal was there prior to the Draft, along with other similar deals, but the price was the issue. Peter Chiarelli realizing Columbus was taking a Center changed everything. Acquiring a plug-n-play Right-Shot Winger for almost nothing was a game-changer.

Signing Lucic and/or Demers would still mean equal cap value MUST go out. Just signing Lucic meant $6.0 Million must go out. Peter Chiarelli just took the best deal available.

It wasn’t about Larsson, it wasn’t about Hall and it wasn’t about Lucic. It was all about the cap and fitting in needs. Chiarelli isn’t done, but expect equal value going out for whatever comes in.

dustrock

I think the fact that Chia said there was a lot of “dead air” meant it went both ways. He didn’t want to trade Hall, Hall didn’t want to be traded.

People on Twitter have also excoriated Chia, saying he should be fired and that he’s an “idiot”. It seems clear he did his due diligence, and as we’ve discussed before, everyone in the known universe this side of the Neutral Zone knew we needed a RHD.

Was it value? Clearly not.

Did he want someone on a long-term deal? Seems that was a condition.

dustrock

Put me in as well for those who think this deal had everything to do with winning. On McDavid’s ELC.

frjohnk

danny: I’m ready for the Hall trade to be past history

If Larsson and/or Oilers falter, this trade will not be going anywhere.

One thing I’m a bit scared of, is that if Larsson feels a bunch of pressure from fans and the media, has trouble adjusting from a low event team to one of the highest event teams and stumbles out of the gate( its happened before) he may not last long here and then we end up trading him when his value is low.

defmn

Friedman: In Hall’s case, a couple of Oilers believe the organization wanted to make it easier for McDavid’s influence to grow in the room. “Taylor’s a dominant personality,” one said. “That’s not a criticism. That’s who he is.”

Starting the discussion with this quote does frame the discussion in a manner that allows you to support your previously arrived at position but I don’t see that it does much else. It is more of a throwaway line than anything else. As several have noted the phrasing supports the idea that it was made by players rather than management.

If I were to frame the column I would go with this one.

“Peter asked for more, of course, but the way the cap works, we had to stand strong,” Shero said, since New Jersey added $1.8M of a hit with Hall’s larger number.

“He did his homework, he knew what was out there. It’s hard to find a young defenceman with term and a $4M cap hit. People want to decide winners and losers right away, but you have to build a team. That’s what we are all trying to do.”

But then that quote would support my previously arrived at conclusion that trades that make teams better are good trades.

And I think it has to keep being repeated that it wasn’t a Hall for Larsson trade since trading people is illegal.

The trade was for a $6 million proven 1st line LW’er with a not inconsiderable injury history who is in his prime as a forward, has 4 years left on his contract and will be a UFA at the end of it.

In return the Oilers got a $4.16 miillion, not yet fully proven top pairing RH dman with little injury history who is just entering his prime as a dman who has 5 years left on his contract and will be a UFA at the end of it.

The cap room for 5 years plus the rarity of position played compared to Hall, plus one more year on the contract, plus a history of relative health have to be weighed against the proven level of Hall’s record.

Personally I would have been happier if we had been able to add a pick or a prospect but urgency intervened.

When winter is coming you have to decide if you are going to pay more than you want for rent or spend the winter in the cold.

Personally I don’t like the cold.

dustrock

Paigin hurt indefinitely.

Matty says Oilers were definitely taking Sergachev with their pick until Puljujarvi became available.

12 percent body fat

So the average weight of the forward per minute should be calculated as follows

(weight of each individual forward (14 max) x minutes played) / (number of players)

***** Further to Bruce’s response this should be done with age as well as an assigned skill number (0-100 this is subjective obviously). Also skill is not talent. Example; yakupov, marner, strome, ehlers have talent, but skill is when you convert your talents and other attributes into mastering your craft. They may one day but it will take time.

Ryan smith a skilled player with a little amount of talent
Daigle a talented player with little skill

I hate when players like omark, radulov and other flashy players are called skilled hockey players. They are not. They are talented at stickhandling and a few other things.

G Money

36 percent body fat,

I took the simple route and calculated two sets of numbers (height, weight) for the entire roster, and then height/weight just for the Top 4 D / Top 6 F, and will likely do that again.

Ideally it should be weighted by TOI as you suggest (say weight x TOI/game), but the problem with that number is that the result isn’t an easily understood number. It is no longer pounds, but pound-minutes per game, not exactly a common measure!

RPG

npanciroli: I’ve had to remove a lot of people from my Twitter feed

I couldn’t agree more. I was just saying to some co-workers this morning, that it’s actually astounding how many people I purged from my twitter this summer. People I held in high regards, but since the Hall trade, I simply can’t read another word. Bloggers whom I used to read religiously, I simply can’t read. As the wounds heal perhaps things will return to normal. The news today has now given the smoldering embers a breath of fresh air.

Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons

npanciroli,

I don’t disagree.

The context is Shero addressing comments naming Chia the loser of the deal which leads me to think Shero was pointing out Larsson’s value to help take some heat off Chia and not just pumping Larsson’s tires.

Drew

JimmyV1965: Seriously? You have absolutely no idea about the inner workings of the dressing room.The one fact we do have is Hall and McDavid were roommates.This is no defence of the trade.Just idle, lazy speculation.

i agree with this post

Drew

Caribbeerman:
Taylor Hall is a very good hockey player…an excellent player. So was Mike Gartner.

Gartner never won a Stanley cup. Despite all his individual talents and awards he is not thought of or associated with a particular winning team (he played for 5 teams) or as a central building block or center piece of a team. And again he was a truly amazing player!

Teams with dominant players up the middle – goal, defense and center win championships and the Oilers had to sacrifice one of their top skilled players to try to achieve this. I would have preferred for that player to be Eberle and/or Yakapov for Mr. Larsson…but I am not going to second-guess the trading of Hall. All I really care about is winning and I think the trade pushes Edmonton closer to that objective.

teams with the better players win.

blainer

We could NOT go into the season without a big fix to the RT side D. This is an almost impossible position to trade for unless your a weber for Subban deal.

Hall was the price. None of this personality stuff matters IMO. We also got a nice net on the cap with an excellent contract.

If Larsson is the best Chia could do then so be it. The thought of starting the season again without that D upgrade would be brutal. We are a better team with the addition of Larsson and Looch.

Chia cannot stop here though. He needs a couple of more moves for sure for depth. A vet D and a vet winger would be perfect. Both on short contracts.

kinger_OIL

– Great post LT! LT says “Hall for Larsson was a poor trade”

– What would have NJ needed to add to make this a good trade? A 2nd round draft pick? A third liner? AHL prospect that has a chance to make the big team? Some combination thereof?

– Hall’s a better scoring LHW vs. Larsson as RHD. It boils down to that (vs. extra cap room)

– Should Larsson be a bonafide #1RHD this year: Does that change the opinion? Just asking…

Ribs

Chiarelli mentioned on the radio the other day that teams like to hold tight to their rosters at this time of year and see how things work out before starting to make moves again. While this may be true, I’m getting a little tired of hearing it every year. The Oilers are usually out of the running long before Christmas and we don’t ever seem to see any changes once that happens. Klefbom’s hurt long term, what should we do? Play Nurse twenty minutes a night! That oughtta work! Oh those Oilers…

OF17

One thing that gets lost in this discussion is I’m not sure the trade makes New Jersey a better team. They’re based on goaltending and low-event hockey and traded their best defenseman (with no suitable replacement) for a high-event winger. The trade makes them anemic on both ends of the ice rather than just one. There are many paths to winning, but having a stellar goaltender, a defense that’s worse than ours and older, and a mediocre offense doesn’t seem like one to me.

That’s why it cost Hall. It needed to be a big enough piece that Shero put aside team building strategy and just made the deal. We talk a lot about the risk that Chiarelli took on, but Shero took on a ton of risk as well. New Jersey’s defense was bad before, with Larsson the tie that binds similar to how Petry was for us, and now they’ve swapped their capstone defenseman for Ben Lovejoy? Their workhorse top pairing already had puck moving concerns, and they move its primary puck mover? A lot falls on Taylor Hall this year. If he has a year like he had in 15/16 and Lovejoy and Severson don’t step up in a big way, I’m not sure the Devils are improved at all.

frjohnk

kinger_OIL: – What would have NJ needed to add to make this a good trade? A 2nd round draft pick? A third liner? AHL prospect that has a chance to make the big team? Some combination thereof?

Getting a pick or a B level prospect does not move the dial.

Everybody knows Chia overpaid in the deal. Heck even Chia himself said to Stauffer on the radio that he overpaid

I bet Chia was looking to try and get Zacha or one of there better prospects to try and even the deal.

But he was dealing from a position of weakness and Shero knew it.

So in Shero’s corner, if Chia wanted Larsson, it was overpayment or nothing.

Because Chia was desperate to fix the D, and knowing Lucic was coming ( which fills in some of the crater of trading Hall), Chia picked the overpayment option.

Quinlan

There are a lot of balanced comments on here today.

Elliotte’s article was fantastic. He may not be quite as connected as Bob Mackenzie (it’s close), but his journalism is second-to-none.

It’s interesting to see the wildly different takes that it has inspired. Twitter is steaming with vitriol right now, but I honestly think the piece makes PC look better, as others here have noted.

What’s increasingly bothersome is the lack of intellectual humility that critics of the trade are showing, especially in the analytics community.

Dislike of the trade is reasonable, especially on the basis of the statistics we currently have access to. But the vile indictments of Chiarelli (and many of them are vile) take it to a disappointing low. One would think that the analytics community, which is responsible for huge improvements in the way that we understand the game, would understand the need for intellectual humility. It was intellectual humility that gave birth to the “movement,” rooted in people who asked, “What if we don’t know everything? What if there is another way of looking at things? What if our current measurements don’t tell the whole story? How can we improve our analysis of the game?”

We don’t hear that right now. The analytics community is becoming an echo chamber in many respects, with certain favored statistics (which ARE valuable) used as a hammer to keep questioners in line.

Here are some questions for those who think Chiarelli is an idiot:

What if others, who are undeniably intelligent and successful, and whose opinions differ from yours, also look at the game objectively? What if others, even NHL GMs, have their own ways of measuring, analyzing, and valuing players? What if their measurements and processes of evaluation are better than yours?

I’m not saying that, unequivocally, they ARE better or that the Oilers even employ a scientific model at all. But intellectual humility requires that you at least ask the question, think about it for a while, and let it balance your criticism. Could it maybe be that a Stanley Cup winning GM knows what he’s doing? Could it maybe be that the Hall trade has facets, even analytical facets, that you have no knowledge of?

Just my two cents.

RPG

October 4th, 2014 the Islanders trade for two defenders (Leddy and Boychuk). I think Chia is looking to make this type of move, and he should know, he was the one giving away Boychuk. He’s kept the powder dry, and left cap space available. It’s high risk, but I can see teams needing to give something away to make the cap work. IMO the summer isn’t over until the puck drops to start the season on Oct 12th.

hunter1909

I remember Hall having a easy pass to Yakupov who was standing all alone 10 feet from the opposition goal – and yet Hall flat out refused to pass to him. Then and there I knew what kind of character he has. High school bully.

As they say in some circles – fuck that for a game of soldiers.

DRFNsuperstar

That Friedman article is amazing my three favourite parts are Shero emphasizing they had to add 1.8 million with Hall because that shows how teams with internal caps think about trades, the Pfeffer regret because it is a large scale version of “towns people versus smart people”, and my 100% favourite that shows how ass backwards the league is was the player quote about Hall and Subban being great players but not understanding how to play more boring hockey that wins 2-1 games…nice job NHL go shrink goalie gear instead of increasing scoring chances…Carey Price actually said Subban is too offensive and that’s not how they want to play, my god Montreal is screwed.

hunter1909

DRFNsuperstar: Carey Price actually said Subban is too offensive and that’s not how they want to play, my god Montreal is screwed.

Yeah, having the number one defenceman in Canada joining the team is going to set them back a ton.

Cassandra

RPG: I couldn’t agree more. I was just saying to some co-workers this morning, that it’s actually astounding how many people I purged from my twitter this summer. People I held in high regards, but since the Hall trade, I simply can’t read another word. Bloggers whom I used to read religiously, I simply can’t read. As the wounds heal perhaps things will return to normal. The news today has now given the smoldering embers a breath of fresh air.

The wounds will never heal. Fuck Chiarelli. Fuck him. Asshole.

flea

Still seeing lots of opinion that the Oilers should bring in more budget short term contract vets.

Honestly, until the Oilers start winning, these guys aren’t coming here. This place is a wasteland of NHL careers. Guys looking to revitalize their careers and get another contract have got to be wary of Edmonton, even with McDavid.

I’d be interested to see if there is a correlation between these sort of deals and teams records over the last few seasons. I would guess they correlate with higher winning percentages.

If the team can put it together on this ice, I’m sure some budget veteran contracts will materialize.

frjohnk

Caramel Batman: The wounds will never heal.Fuck Chiarelli.Fuck him.Asshole.

Tell us how you really feel.

blainer

hunter1909:
I remember Hall having a easy pass to Yakupov who was all alone 10 feet from the opposition goal – and the prick refused to pass to him. Then and there I knew what kind of character he has.

As they say in some circles – fuck that for a game of soldiers.

Ha ! I have been saying this for a long time. The hall trade will help Yak IMO. Many many times I watched Hall opt not to pass the puck to Yak. I remember saying this a while back when another poster disagreed with me only for me to watch it happen again in the very next game.

I really don’t think though personality issues are why Taylor was traded though. Again it was the price for a top end RT shot D an a great contract.

Cassandra

As for having the intellectual humility to think this is a good deal. In order for this to be a good deal you have to think Ricki is right.

For those of you who missed it he suggested last night that

Adam Larsson + fourth line pluggers is better than:

P.K Subban + Getzlaf, Perry,

Now if this is true, then it was a great trade.

Unfortunately, this isn’t true.