HOW HIGH CAN HE FLY?

by Lowetide

Scott Cullen released his Top 300 scorers list yesterday for 2016-17, it is always a fun time for me to review the RE. Cullen is a bright guy who has a very good knowledge of analytics, and applies the same logic and reason to sussing out offense across the NHL each season. Here are Scott’s Oilers, their rank on his list, and my RE for each in brackets:

  • No. 2 Connor McDavid 78gp, 28-58-86 1.10 (72gp, 87 pts, 1.208)
  • No. 40 Jordan Eberle 75gp, 29-31-60 0.80 (75gp, 61 pts, 0.813)
  • No. 74 Milan Lucic 74gp, 80gp, 20-33-53 0.663 (80gp, 61 pts 0.763)
  • No. 111 Leon Draisaitl 76gp, 17-31-48 0.632 (75gp, 40 pts 0.533)
  • No. 135 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 67gp, 17-28-45 0.672 (75gp, 51 pts 0.680)
  • No. 196 Benoit Pouliot 68gp, 16-22-38 0.559 (62gp, 39 pts 0.629)
  • No. 217 Jesse Puljujarvi 75gp, 12-24-36 0.480 (65gp, 28 pts 0.431)
  • No. 241 Kris Versteeg 74gp, 13-20-33 0.446 (NA)
  • No. 250 Patrick Maroon 70gp, 12-20-32 0.457 (72gp, 27 pts 0.375)
  • No. 253 Andrej Sekera 77gp, 7-25-32 0.416 (76gp, 35 pts 0.461)
  • No. 267 Nail Yakupov 66gp, 12-18-30 0.454 (70gp, 24 pts 0.343)
  • No. 295 Oscar Klefbom 75gp, 5-23-28 0.373 (55gp, 21 pts 0.382)
  • Cullen list
  • My RE

I spend a long damn time (too long) estimating these numbers, to the point where PP time and EV time are sussed out. So, when a guy like Cullen posts his numbers and they are in the range, you are damned right I take some pride in my RE. I will have Scott on the Lowdown today to discuss his numbers and several other items.

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MANY ARE CALLED, FEW ARE CHOSEN

I hope to have the second installment of the WheatnOil-inspired item of last evening (forwards 21-24) tonight, but that could be aggressive. I wanted to mention something that I see as a positive in Peter Chiarelli’s team building. The Bakersfield Condors are about to get a very strong group of offensive forwards based on NHLE’s:

  • Drake Caggiula 2015-16 Age 21 (UND NCAA) 39, 25-26-51 (NHLE: 44)
  • Joey Benik 2015-16 Age 23 (St. Cloud State NCAA) 41, 23-25-48 (NHLE: 39)
  • Patrick Russell 2015-16 Age 22 (St. Cloud State NCAA) 41, 20-21-41 (NHLE: 34)
  • Jere Sallinen 2015-16 Age 25 (Jokerit Helskinki KHL) 50, 8-11-19 (NHLE: 25)

These are good numbers and we should view these prospects as legit NHL possibilities—especially considering the AHL forwards (and their NHLE totals) from one year ago:

  • R Tyler Pitlick RE 7-15-22
  • C Jujhar Khaira RE 8-13-21
  • R Anton Slepyshev RE 10-7-17
  • C Bogdan Yakimov RE 5-11-15
  • C Kyle Platzer RE 5-9-14
  • R Greg Chase RE 2-12-14

And oh by the way, in case you are thinking Tyler Pitlick is too old for consideration, think about this: On the day he played his first NHL game, Fernando Pisani was 26 years and 12 days old. Tyler Pitlick turns 25 on November 1. You never know.

SEIDENBERG?

  • Mike Halford, NBC Sports: It’s tough to see where Seidenberg would fit. One would have to think Edmonton could be in the mix, given the Oilers’ general lack of depth on defense, and Seidenberg’s relationship with former B’s GM Peter Chiarelli. But the Oilers might not be ready to offer up a contract, especially with another veteran — Kris Vetsteeg — already coming to camp on a PTO. Source

I don’t see it, honestly. We know the Oilers value the ol’ lefty-righty and one would imagine the next addition to the roster is in fact a RHD—unlikely to happen before the season, but could happen before the trade deadline.

  • Domenic Galamini: “It turns out that an unsuitably handed defenseman must have a CorsiRel that is greater than or equal to 6.2 Corsi events / 60 better than a suitably handed alternative in order to be the better option to pair with a partner-less defenseman on the roster.” Source

MOOD INDIGO

For a long time this spring and summer, we talked about a long list of possibles for RHD. Although I didn’t list Adam Larsson, the group was fairly thorough and several names did find themselves on the move:

  1. Jason Demers, Dallas Stars. The book end for Andrej Sekera?
  2. Tyson Barrie, Colorado Avalanche. Quality option for puck mover.
  3. Justin Faulk, Carolina Hurricanes. Would be higher, question availability.
  4. Travis Hamonic, NY Islanders. This is a solid player and a great option for Edmonton.
  5. Sami Vatanen, Anaheim Ducks. Solid offense, not completely proven.
  6. Radko Gudas, Philadelphia Flyers. Strong, effective defender.
  7. Michael Stone, Arizona Coyotes. Major knee surgery.
  8. David Savard, Columbus Blue Jackets. Range of skills.
  9. Jacob Trouba, Winnipeg Jets. Strange year for a talented young player.
  10. Damon Severson, New Jersey Devils. The more I look at his career, the better the fit.
  11. Mark Pysyk, Buffalo Sabres. The numbers imply there is a player here.
  12. Ryan Pulock, New York Islanders. Big shot from the point has high value. Very young.
  13. Ryan Murphy, Carolina Hurricanes. Some chaos, but good speed and puck-moving ability.
  14. Brandon Montour, Anaheim Ducks. This could be a special player.
  15. Cody Franson, Buffalo Sabres. That hammer from the point would come in handy and he fits a real need.
  16. Jordan Schmaultz, St. Louis Blues. Puck-moving prospect.
  17. Anthony DeAngelo, Tampa Bay Lightning. Another player with a puck-moving element to his game.
  18. Colin Miller, Boston Bruins. With the other Miller signing, maybe he is available.
  19. Eric Gryba, Edmonton Oilers. I think management likes him.
  20. Ville Pokka, Chicago Blackhawks. Young defender in the Chicago system.
  21. Frank Corrado, Toronto Maple Leafs. Very little evidence but he showed up in some good places.
  22. Ryan Sproul, Detroit Red Wings. Puck-moving defender in the AHL.
  23. Dennis Wideman, Calgary Flames. A year removed from a fantastic offensive season.
  24. Taylor Aronson, Nashville Predators. Minor-league defender.
  25. Matt Irwin, Boston Bruins. Depth defender.
  26. Source

There are some names still out there, ranging from Jacob Trouba to Dennis Wideman. Will Peter Chiarelli make a move? I believe the answer is yes, but increasingly it looks like the move will be made after training camp and into the season.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

I am very much looking forward to the show today, 10 this morning TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, The World. Jon will join me to talk Versteeg deployment, McDavid expectation and where to play Brandon Davidson in the lineup.
  • Simon Boisvert, Hockey Analyst. Former QMJHL scout has an interesting take on a lot of the things we discuss here, and an uncanny knowledge of Oilers prospects. Questions welcome!
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. Projected NHL numbers and insight from recent analytics conference.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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stevezie

Lowetide,

Agree on that, but Hall was also on one helluva contract, so i want more.

JD_Wry

stevezie: dead horse

Isn’t it down to skeletal remains? The buzzards aren’t even interested at this point.

stevezie

Arriving late to help tenderize the dead horse, the reason the Larsson option is the worst of Chambers’ four is there is no sweetener.

Is Harmonic a better bet than Larsson? They’ve both got great contracts but Larsson’s is longer. I’d say they’re pretty close and let the hard cores fight it out. But Harmonic *and* Strome? Good night Jim Kyte, it’s over.

I don’t mind Hall for Larsson. I have a big problem with Hall for just Larsson.

(Obviously the Anaheim deal was best and the Colorado deal wasn’t a lot better than what we got. Grigerenko ain’t much and while i like Barrie a lot, i think he’s just an inverted Larsson without that beautiful contract. I probably wouldn’t do it.)

CB with a good point on Lucic vs Demers. You can’t claim rhD are unobtanium and wingers are nothing but have no problem with the Oiler’s signing priorities. Each argument is okay on its own, but let’s not have our arguments contain to many multitudes.

As long as I’m going, we all love Yak but he is no Hull and being Canadian would not be enough to save him (though it would probably help). The annals are full of Canadian snipers who either couldn’t make it or were told, “You’re Canadian, stop being flashy. Play defence and hit.”

Did i stretch too far on the Whitman reference?

Yegfoundation

G Money: Well, see there’s the thing.

Gaudreau played 3 years at BC after being drafted and entered the NHL at age 21.

Max Domi played two full years of Jr after being drafted and entered the NHL at age 20.

Dylan Larkin played a year at UMich after being drafted and entered the NHL at age 19.

Ghostbear played two years of college after being drafted, then had a couple of mixed years before entering the NHL at the age of 22 (he’s actually 6 months older than Yak).

Parayko played three years of college, with the last year including some AHL time, before debuting in the NHL at age 22.He’s also 5 months older than Yak.

The latter two obviously are defensemen, but the point being … there is nothing wrong with a development path that does not include NHL time at the age of 18.

In fact, all of the 3OV picks in the last five years – which JP should have been – spent time in a developmental league (anywhere from half a season to two full seasons) before making it full time to the NHL.

[naturally the biggest f**kup in that list is the Oilers, who got it backward with Draisaitl – let’s hope they don’t make the same mistake with JP]

Very well said

Leroy Draisdale

magneto,

Thanks, I thought I heard he took one off the pills a la Hendricks but not sure.

magneto

Ronald Chevalier: Paigan

I can not find anything at all, he is on the IR. The initial report was 3 weeks, so 2 more? Will we ever know? Oilers would know, someone ask Chia

Leroy Draisdale

magneto,

I heard Paigan was hurt but does anyone know the details?

rickithebear

Lets not assume:
a whole collection of drivel about shitty defensive D.

Lets listen to what PC and Tmac had to say.
they wanted a dominate shutdown D.

Larson
toughest comp/ZS faced.
#10 HSCA D.
#1 EVGA D.
#12 PKGA D

I think the coach who developed; Vlasic; Braun; Demers
is very happy he has Larsson.

G Money

BONE207:
Ahhh, heck. just leave them in the minors anywhere till they are 30. I think the NHL will still allow them to win the Calder at that age, won’t they? We haven’t won that trophy yet.

In all seriousness though, if healthy and looks good, why not play him sheltered minutes. Is he like Gaudreau or Domi or Larkin or Ghost or Parayko etc. If he is, they all survived and even thrived. As long as he earns it. Ahhh…more speculation. I’m tired of it. Let’s watch some games.

Well, see there’s the thing.

Gaudreau played 3 years at BC after being drafted and entered the NHL at age 21.

Max Domi played two full years of Jr after being drafted and entered the NHL at age 20.

Dylan Larkin played a year at UMich after being drafted and entered the NHL at age 19.

Ghostbear played two years of college after being drafted, then had a couple of mixed years before entering the NHL at the age of 22 (he’s actually 6 months older than Yak).

Parayko played three years of college, with the last year including some AHL time, before debuting in the NHL at age 22. He’s also 5 months older than Yak.

The latter two obviously are defensemen, but the point being … there is nothing wrong with a development path that does not include NHL time at the age of 18.

In fact, all of the 3OV picks in the last five years – which JP should have been – spent time in a developmental league (anywhere from half a season to two full seasons) before making it full time to the NHL.

[naturally the biggest f**kup in that list is the Oilers, who got it backward with Draisaitl – let’s hope they don’t make the same mistake with JP]

magneto

BONE207:
Pouzar,

They look like Swedes to me. I thought we were talking Finns?

We were talking both just for sample size, leagues are pretty similar.

BONE207

Ahhh, heck. just leave them in the minors anywhere till they are 30. I think the NHL will still allow them to win the Calder at that age, won’t they? We haven’t won that trophy yet.

In all seriousness though, if healthy and looks good, why not play him sheltered minutes. Is he like Gaudreau or Domi or Larkin or Ghost or Parayko etc. If he is, they all survived and even thrived. As long as he earns it. Ahhh…more speculation. I’m tired of it. Let’s watch some games.

BONE207

Pouzar,

They look like Swedes to me. I thought we were talking Finns?

Chachi

Pouzar: After 5 mins:

Granlund
OEL
Mika Zibanejad
Filip Forsberg
Teuvo Teravainen

Hmmm looks like it is a good developmental path if you would like to trade your prospects before they turn into anything in the NHL.

magneto

Pouzar: Yes, correct. I was thinking Draft +2. My bad. I was on a completely different point. Nothin to see here.

Anyways……….To my original point. A shit load of really good hockey players start out in SEL or Liiga after Draft year. AFTER that, many go on to the NHL, AHL or even another year in Europe! *GASP*

Which is the current and past thinking, there are other options and as long as he isn’t in the NHL I don’t see the harm in learning how to play in NA, in a lesser league and in a scoring role.

I guess it’s me, if I had these young players careers in my hands I would want to make sure they are taken care of. Seeing the Paigan stuff go down is heartbreaking, that is a potential player that has had a huge development year cut short and now you have no access to him at all. If he was in the AHL (I know that it was basically impossible, but hypothetically) you would be able to monitor him with team doctors, rehab him on your guidelines.

What if they trade Puljujarvi? Or they continue to play him in limited minutes? These things are not likely to happen but they are things you have to account for.

Pouzar

magneto: Granlund- full year in Finland Draft +1 and 2
OEL- only looked at forwards
Zibenejad- 26 games in SEL and 9 in the NHL
Forsberg- Full year in Sweden draft +1
Teravainen- Draft +1 and 2 in Finland

None of the forwards played in the AHL in their draft +1 years

Yes, correct. I was thinking Draft +2. My bad. I was on a completely different point. Nothin to see here. 🙂

Anyways……….To my original point. A shit load of really good hockey players start out in SEL or Liiga after Draft year. AFTER that, many go on to the NHL, AHL or even another year in Europe! *GASP* 🙂

magneto

Pouzar: After 5 mins:

Granlund
OEL
Mika Zibanejad
Filip Forsberg
Teuvo Teravainen

Granlund- full year in Finland Draft +1 and 2
OEL- only looked at forwards
Zibenejad- 26 games in SEL and 9 in the NHL
Forsberg- Full year in Sweden draft +1
Teravainen- Draft +1 and 2 in Finland

None of the forwards played in the AHL in their draft +1 years

It’s a strategy that hasn’t been tried in the past, but some are trying it now. I don’t think you can say that Nylander or Rantanen have done anything but increase their value since their draft year by playing in the AHL.

Don’t mind me

Ducey: look at good ol’ Canadian boy Robbie Schremp.

Schremp is a Yank.

Pouzar

magneto: There aren’t any top prospects from the SM Liga or SEL (that I could find in 5 min)

After 5 mins:

Granlund
OEL
Mika Zibanejad
Filip Forsberg
Teuvo Teravainen

magneto

Pouzar: I see a lot of advantage, after one year of playing in Finland. Again. This isn’t my opinion, it’s a track that many successful FINS/Swedes have taken. I have honestly no idea why there is so much resistance to it here. Very strange.

I’m just going through the last few drafts and looking at some higher end drafted guys.
So going through those guys and no has tried to send one of the top guys to the AHL except for Rantanen.
Either they are in the NHL too early, or they stay in their home leagues. Nylander got a hybrid treatment that has worked out wonderfully.
After looking at it more I still think that it is not a bad idea for a full AHL year, but I would prefer maybe a Nylander type development plan. There aren’t any top prospects from the SM Liga or SEL (that I could find in 5 min) that spent any time in the AHL in their draft+1 year, except Rantanen and Nylander.

Material Elvis

Oilspill:
Jus explain to me how 6.2 corsi events make an individual d man capable of playing the wrong side on 5×5 play. Rediculous! Beyond a stretch..c’mom.

Green!

Seven!

Sudbury!

kinger_OIL

Ducey,

– I know he’s no Brett Hull. I think I might have over-played my analogy.

– I agree its last chance. I don’t think the Oil give him that chance (and won’t be convinced he ever was given a chance. Too many Steve Austins playing bad possession hockey with no back-checking before he got here)

– I’m just killing time: at my house while carpet cleaners/upholstery are here. Got rid of two awful cats this summer, and got the place painted, windows cleaned, gardener, etc. Our youngest son is no longer a toddler so that gives us more space as well. Feels like moving into new chapter of life. Hopefully Oil are growing up as well

Oilspill

Jus explain to me how 6.2 corsi events make an individual d man capable of playing the wrong side on 5×5 play. Rediculous! Beyond a stretch..c’mom.

Material Elvis

Jethro Tull: Au contraire.The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Or until that horse turns into a Porsche.

Material Elvis

Jethro Tull: If Yak’s name was Neil Bovider, from Anysmalltown, Ruralprovince, Canada and he grew up doing 4H in the summer

I don’t know about 4H, but definitely apiculture.

Pouzar

magneto: Do you see no advantage to playing a year in the AHL?

I see a lot of advantage, after one year of playing in Finland. Again. This isn’t my opinion, it’s a track that many successful FINS/Swedes have taken. I have honestly no idea why there is so much resistance to it here. Very strange.

Jethro Tull

VanIsleOil:
LadiesloveSmid:
I’ve got a dead horse thats meat needs tenderizing

Here is a pic of our tawny caped crusader doing his thing again on the Hall trade. Let us move on…

https://tinyurl.com/zefsqjj

Au contraire. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Pouzar

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magneto

Pouzar: I can give you and Joanie 8000 examples where it was a resounding success but the narrative will never die here.

To each their own.

Come on down JP.

Do you see no advantage to playing a year in the AHL?
If he is in the AHL he will be in an offensive role and given all the teaching and tools he would be given in Finland. I am in no way saying he should play in the AHL but he should be put in a position to succeed. You can guarantee that success if you have direct control (and if you are competent, but that is a different issue).

I’d like to see a list of high draft picks that stay in their home leagues for a year or more, I am curious not accusing.

VanIsleOil

LadiesloveSmid:
I’ve got a dead horse thats meat needs tenderizing

Here is a pic of our tawny caped crusader doing his thing again on the Hall trade. Let us move on…

https://tinyurl.com/zefsqjj

Ducey

kinger_OIL: – yeah I can’t stand his enigmatic ways, or his boisterous gestures or he way he skates or his shot or his lack of 200 foot game.I think he’s also selfish, and not a good Canadian Boy.Even when he hits and does that tazmanian devil there is something Russian about it.

– He reminds me of Brett Hall.All that guy did was score goals and gloat.He never back checked and when he was playing with a play-maker centremen he was awesome.Calgary didn’t like his attention to defense, and he sure wasn’t a good ‘ole Calgary Boy.And I don’t care what you say, they should have kept Mike Keenan and got rid of that goal-scoring bum.

– Neil Bovider =Brett Hall

– A good organization will figure out that Yak needs an Adam Oates.That’s what Brian Sutter did

I think your Yak love-meter is on the fritz.

Yak is not Brett Hull. Not in the same area code.

Brett Hull did plenty good without Oates.

He put up 50 goals and 92 pts in 62 AHL games.
Then put up 50 pts in 52 games with the Flamers
Then put up 84 pts in 72 games (including 41 goals) in his first year in St Louis (Oates was not on the team).

Everywhere he went he killed it. He had a laser for a shot, could find space to get it off, and was very accurate. He could gloat because he had something to gloat about. If you score 72 in a season you get some slack on your D assignments.

Yak is coming off 11, 14, and 8 goals his last three seasons. Most of his goals are rebounds and garbage. His shot is all but a theoretical possibility because he is more Happy Gilmore than Alex Ovenchicken.

If you are looking for a comparator for Yak, look at good ol’ Canadian boy Robbie Schremp. He didn’t get any slack. If Yak didn’t have the #1 overall tag, he likely would be out of the league already.

Make no mistake, this is his last chance. If he stinks it out again he will be traded or waived mid season and in the KHL next year (although the Russians don’t seem to like him either).

I hope he turns it around. I also hope I win the Lotomax on Friday.

kinger_OIL

Skeeziks:
kinger_OIL,

Who is this Brett Hall fellow you are talking about? I seem to remember a guy by the name of Brett Hull who was a decent goal scorer but have never heard of this Brett Hall.

– He’s the uncle of Neil Bovider

wintoon

kinger_OIL,

Who is this Brett Hall fellow you are talking about? I seem to remember a guy by the name of Brett Hull who was a decent goal scorer but have never heard of this Brett Hall.

kinger_OIL

Jethro Tull: I Yak’s name was Neil Bovider, from Anysmalltown, Ruralprovince, Canada and he grew up doing 4H in the summer and he learnt to skate on the rink his dad made, then I’d be all over putting him on Connor’s line.But he’s not, so him and his strange ways can languish on the 3rd line until such time we deem him to be fit to trade for next to nothing.

– yeah I can’t stand his enigmatic ways, or his boisterous gestures or he way he skates or his shot or his lack of 200 foot game. I think he’s also selfish, and not a good Canadian Boy. Even when he hits and does that tazmanian devil there is something Russian about it.

– He reminds me of Brett Hull. All that guy did was score goals and gloat. He never back checked and when he was playing with a play-maker centremen he was awesome. Calgary didn’t like his attention to defense, and he sure wasn’t a good ‘ole Calgary Boy. And I don’t care what you say, they should have kept Mike Keenan and got rid of that goal-scoring bum.

– Neil Bovider = Brett Hull

– A good organization will figure out that Yak needs an Adam Oates. That’s what Brian Sutter did

John Chambers

John Chambers:
In hindsight, given that Chiarelli ultimately traded Taylor Hall, which of the following possible deals would you have made if you were GM? After the deal was made it’s reported that another GM apparently offered more. Speculating on possible trade options, which one would you have selected?

1) Taylor Hall and Brandon Davidson to Anaheim up for Hampus Lindholm and Jakub Silfverberg.

2) Taylor Hall and a 2nd to Brooklyn for Travis Hamonic and Ryan Strome.

3) Taylor Hall and Mark Fayne ($1.5M retained)to Colorado for Tyson Barrie and Mikhail Grigorenko.

4) Taylor Hal to New Jersey for Adam Larsson.

Let’s also assume that it’s July 31st and you know that Demers is willing to sign in Edm for $5.5M x 5. Lucic also wiling to sign.

Although Lindholm is clearly the best defender on the list, his $ cost would be high and doesn’t solve the handedness problem. We probably NEED to sign Demers, meaning we can’t afford Lucic. We get the best available defenseman, but are in a worse salary cap position and have Demers – Fayne as our top 2 RD.

The Colorado deal is okay – but you would have to sign Demers to be your shut down defender.
A top four of:
Sekara – Demers
Klefbom – Barrie
can certainly move the puck, but would be expensive and probably also means no Lucic.

The Hamonic option is perhaps the most interesting because it means you can sign Lucic AND you get Strome. I’d have taken that deal ahead of Larsson.

Oddspell

Caramel Batman,

Interesting, I actually have the Colorado deal as the worst, then NYI, then NJD, with ANA as the clear winner. No, Lindholm does’t solve our RHD issue, but he’ such a good player that I’d guess it cancels out for next season, and it sets us up for the future better than any of the other deals, so I’d take it and figure out handedness some other way. I like Larsson as a player more than both Hamonic and Barrie for this roster, and as value for Taylor Hall. As for the toss ins, when trading a player like Taylor Hall, I’m more inclined to maximize the value of the best player coming back.

ANA is the Taylor Hall deal I would have smiled at, but I’m guessing it was never on the table.

If NJ, NYI, and COL were the only deals on the table to improve the D, then I think Chia made the right choice, although like most Hall trade skeptics, I have a hard time believing that was the case.

Jethro Tull

kinger_OIL: You would change his name to Neil Bovider as well?!Neil: Nail.Yak: Bovide.

I Yak’s name was Neil Bovider, from Anysmalltown, Ruralprovince, Canada and he grew up doing 4H in the summer and he learnt to skate on the rink his dad made, then I’d be all over putting him on Connor’s line. But he’s not, so him and his strange ways can languish on the 3rd line until such time we deem him to be fit to trade for next to nothing.

Protagonist

Do we have any information this “Source” guy listed at #26? Height, weight? NHLE? Seems like he might be a steal.

stephen sheps

kinger_OIL,

well played Kinger… well played 😉

Jethro Tull

LadiesloveSmid:
I’ve got a dead horse thats meat needs tenderizing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRdxUFDoQe0

kinger_OIL

stephen sheps: What you have here is my ideal scenario too, but I see it going a different way in reality, by which I mean your initial 3-point prognostication. As a reader of history, I’m sure you would agree that the material and the ideal rarely line up…

You would change his name to Neil Bovider as well?! Neil: Nail. Yak: Bovide.

LadiesloveSmid

I’ve got a dead horse thats meat needs tenderizing

Chachi

Pouzar: Not my list. But thx for cementing my point even further.
ET played Home!
2 yrs post draft in SM-liiga.

That’s it! I am convinced. I will drive JP to the airport myself and tell him he can come back when Tik says he’s ready. Given that apparently even Fins don’t understand Tikkanen it will be a good 4 years before JP is ready to come back and learn the North American game in the AHL for at least a year.

Ca$h-McMoney!

Caramel Batman,

Unless Demers wouldn’t sign for what you are saying he would sign for. By the time we know that Lucic is somewhere else, New Jersey has moved on, and we’re waiting until next year.

Do nothing was likely not an option on the table for Chia.

stephen sheps

kinger_OIL:
stephen sheps,

– I’m just a good reader of history, and a fan of organizational behaviour!

– For the record, this is what I’d do:

1) Play Yak with Lucic-McD for 20 games min, to really see what he is able to do.If he’s not up to it, safely trade him away and move on. Or he plays like the talented goal-scoring electric winger that was a 1st overall pick, or he is at least serviceable. But no putting him on bench for one transgression that the Steve Austins did for years, but still played 1st line together with no ramifications.Introduce him as Neil Bovider, from Lethbridge

2) Play pool-party a few games (if he is actually healthy enough), then set him up for success in the AHL: top line, power-play, most promising player in the AHL, Junior MVP, hungry next year, etc

3) Hope that Versteeg can play a little up and down the line-up: he and Kass fight for time on skill line behind Ebs and Yak.

What you have here is my ideal scenario too, but I see it going a different way in reality, by which I mean your initial 3-point prognostication. As a reader of history, I’m sure you would agree that the material and the ideal rarely line up…

Jethro Tull

Caramel Batman,

Demers would have fooled everyone into thinking the d was fixed. It still isn’t, but it’s better. Demers didn’t play near the minutes, nor the QoC that Larsson did, who matched up well against the murderer’s row of the East.

Keeping Hall, signing Demers to $4.5max, and keeping our powder dry for Tyson Barrie may have been a better option, but maybe not one open to us.

Cassandra

Jethro Tull:
John Chambers,

Demers at $5.5 for 5 would have been atrocious.

What’s Larsson’s cap hit and term again?

It is better than Lucic at 6 x 7.

It is a crazy world we live in where trading Hall for Larsson is a good idea because RHD are more valuable than wingers, but signing Demers instead of Lucic is a bad idea, because RHD are not more valuable than wingers.

The difference between Hall and Lucic is far greater than the difference between Larsson and Demers.

[Edit] You know how Woodguy is always defending Larsson by pointing out his relxGF% is a very good 2.73. Well Demers’ is an outstanding 4.99.

kinger_OIL

stephen sheps,

– I’m just a good reader of history, and a fan of organizational behaviour!

– For the record, this is what I’d do:

1) Play Yak with Lucic-McD for 20 games min, to really see what he is able to do. If he’s not up to it, safely trade him away and move on. Or he plays like the talented goal-scoring electric winger that was a 1st overall pick, or he is at least servicable. But no putting him on bench for one transgression that the Steve Austins did for years, but still played 1st line together with no ramifications. Introduce him as Neil Bovider, from Lethbridge

2) Play pool-party a few games (if he is actually healthy enough), then set him up for success in the AHL: top line, power-play, most promising player in the AHL, Junoir MVP, hungry next year, etc

3) Hope that Versteeg can play a little up and down the line-up: he and Kass fight for time on skill line behind Ebs and Yak.

Jethro Tull

Caramel Batman: Neither 2 nor 3 provide the value but at least they are RHD and are better bets than Larsson. And even if they aren’t you added a cherry on top to swing it in their favour.

Tyson Barrie is the player Jultz should have been, but not top-pairing.

Hamonic is serviceable, but not top pairing. (I know you don’t believe in lines, however, the entire hockey world traditionally likes their best d-men to play against the opposition’s best line-up.)

The question remains – would any of the other teams make that deal?

Jethro Tull

John Chambers,

Demers at $5.5 for 5 would have been atrocious.

What’s Larsson’s cap hit and term again?