OILERS TRAINING CAMP PRIMER 2016

by Lowetide

We are going camping! The rumored number for today’s TC release is 63, let’s see how close we can get. The Oilers have given us some major clues, but there are things we cannot know until the final list is released.

THE CORRECT 63 FOR TC?

  1. G Cam Talbot—A big part of Chiarelli’s rebuild, looks like they will ride him heavily.
  2. G Jonas Gustavsson—No. 2 goalie going into camp, good home plate number.
  3. G Laurent Brossoit—Probably starts in the minors.
  4. G Eetu Laurikainen—We still don’t know that much about this player.
  5. G Nick Ellis—Wobbly in places during the UofA game, impressed with his performance so far.
  6. G Dylan Wells—Acrobatic performance at the Young Stars was his Oiler baptism.
  7. G Keven Bouchard—May hang around for UofA game, or it could be Knapp in this spot.
  8. LD Oscar Klefbom—Oil could sell tickets to his first skating session. Will he play PS G1?
  9. LD Andrej Sekera—One of several players who is still away, may get him back soon.
  10. LD Brandon Davidson—Another health worry, it will be interesting to see if he plays Monday.
  11. LD Darnell Nurse—A big season for him, third pairing is best case scenario.
  12. LD Griffin Reinhart—He will get a long look, and will likely play a substantial number of NHL games.
  13. LD Jordan Oesterle—A strong TC could land him a job in Edmonton.
  14. LD David Musil—Waiver eligible D, he has insane competition on LH side. Facing a tough TC.
  15. LD Dillon Simpson—Under the radar, but I think he has a chance to play in the league this year.
  16. LD Mark Fraser—He will be sent to Bakersfield during TC, but early or late?
  17. LD Joey Laleggia—Oilers are looking for a PP option on the blue line, he has that skill set.
  18. LD Ben Betker—Impressive a rookie camp, one of the best D (and it was a strong group).
  19. LD Caleb Jones—One of the stars of rookie camp, fantastic passing on display every game.
  20. LD Andrew Ference—I enjoyed watching him, fine career.
  21. LD Markus Niemelainen—Rangy blue with wheels who makes intelligent decisions. Young and good.
  22. RD Adam Larsson—Oilers have a top-pairing defender with NHL experience.
  23. RD Mark Fayne—NHL veteran should hold on to his job. Should.
  24. RD Eric Gryba—Veteran arrives on a PTO, tightening the race for the final defensive slots.
  25. RD Matt Benning—Effective defender with range of skills. How many AHL games until he is ready?
  26. RD Frankie Simonelli—AHL defender from Providence. Has yet to play an NHL game.
  27. RD Ethan Bear—A strong game at the U. of A. event, good vision. Improved mobility?
  28. RD Kayle Doetzel—Probably the last man on this roster, RHD gives him the edge.
  29. LC Connor McDavid—McDavid makes life better.
  30. LC Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Opening eyes at WCOH, but we knew about him all along.
  31. LC Leon Draisaitl—He will be coming to camp hot as a firecracker.
  32. RC Mark Letestu—He is an actual NHL player, I like him as 4C.
  33. LC Anton Lander—Probably hangs around for PK, job is not secure entering camp.
  34. LC Jujhar Khaira—Probably the No. 1 AHL contender for a job among forwards.
  35. RC Kyle Platzer—He is emerging from that large group of 2013 Oilers draft picks.
  36. C Josh Currie—He is a jack of all trades, had a good AHL season one year ago.
  37. C-L Joey Benik—Great scoring instincts were on display in Penticton.
  38. C-R Ryan Vesce. Skill C has posted strong numbers in various leagues over his career. 34. TC invite.
  39. RC Chad Butcher—He showed well at the rookie tournament, despite taking a knock.
  40. L Milan Lucic—I can’t wait for Oilers fans to see how much skill he possesses.
  41. L Benoit Pouliot—Could be a big season for him, no matter where he lines up.
  42. L Patrick Maroon—Big winger should play a significant role this year.
  43. L Matt Hendricks—Likely to play some center, important for PK purposes. Rugged F.
  44. L Drake Caggiula—Played C through rookie camp, good not great.
  45. L Jere Sallinen—KHL and SM-Liiga veteran, he can also play center.
  46. L Mitch Moroz—In a bad spot, former high pick not connected to current GM or coach.
  47. L Braden Christoffer—Rugged winger, good forechecker, needs to bring more offense.
  48. L Ryan Hamilton—In camp on a PTO, he is ticketed for California.
  49. L Scott Allen—Big winger looks like a Chiarelli type.
  50. L Tyler Benson—Rumors have him possibly getting into a pre-season game.
  51. L Collin Shirley—Kept getting on the score sheet at the rookie camp.
  52. R Jordan Eberle—If he can hang with McDavid, Eberle might score 90 before the end of his contract.
  53. R Kris Versteeg—I think he is all that or nothing at all. We will see, doubt there is a middle ground.
  54. R Nail Yakupov—All kinds of talent here, but I think the winds of change are coming.
  55. R Jesse Puljujarvi—If you listen to the verbal closely, it sounds like the opening of For What It’s Worth.
  56. R Zack Kassian—Suspect he is 4R opening night.
  57. R Iiro Pakarinen—Could get squeezed for a roster spot, especially if the club runs 8D.
  58. R Tyler Pitlick—Hard nose the highway for an opening night job, staying healthy also an issue.
  59. R Taylor Beck—Interesting addition, how far can he climb the depth chart.
  60. R Anton Slepyshev—A big season for the big winger, needs a strong TC.
  61. R Patrick Russell—I liked him more at the Golden Bears game than in Penticton.
  62. R Greg Chase—A better game at the U. of A., he should be a stronger option entering draft +4.
  63. R Jaedon Descheneau—He looked good in most every shift I saw him during rookie camp.

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GOLDEN BEARS NOTES

  • I have been so impressed with the quality of the defense this week. Matt Benning leads the way—as he should, he is older—and was joined by Caleb Jones, Ben Betker, Markus Niemelainen and Ethan Bear in the prospect category. Going back to 2010, I do not recall as many fine outlet passes, good reads and quick recoveries. Not perfect, but wildly improved.
  • Jesse Puljujarvi is such a dynamic player (two assists last night, six shots) at this level (while also being 18) it is easy to suggest he can play in the NHL this season. I don’t believe that is necessarily true, but based on the Oilers own past and this young man’s unique skill set, I feel there is a growing sense that JP has an NHL job to lose this fall. The moment he scores on the PP (The Alvkarleby Assassin!) it may seal the deal. I do think 20 games in the AHL wouldn’t go a-miss, but feel like a man who has fallen in the well and is waiting for Lassie. It is over, in my opinion. Puljujarvi could be as high as 2R but more likely 3R opening night.
  • Drake Caggiula had his best performance of the week (2 goals) against the Golden Bears, I really like his skills and speed while also believing the Oilers have room for a small forward. It is not certain he is ideally suited to center, but beyond that he enters camp with momentum and (imo) a real chance to make an impression. He could be an Oiler by Christmas.
  • Patrick Russell had his best night by a lot, a goal on eight shots and seemed to be around the puck a lot. I don’t think he will be a major factor in training camp, but last night showed why the Oilers thought enough of him to get his name on a contract.
  • Boxscore

MCDAVID

Early in the game against Sweden, Connor McDavid broke through on a breakaway. It was vintage McDavid (vintage McDavid? Well, yeah!) as he simply overwhelmed the Swedish blue. McDavid was impossible to defend multiple times during the game as Team North America (eventually) won the game in overtime—while also not advancing. We will know more about NA’s immediate future after the Russian game against Finland (Russia wins and they are in). Edmonton will have McDavid, Nuge, plus the coach and GM back for TC if Russia wins today, but I would love to see this beautiful NA team for another week. You?

BATTLES ENTERING CAMP

Entering training camp, there are incumbents who will need to show well in order to keep their spots on the roster. Nail Yakupov will face competition from Jesse Puljujarvi on one hand and Kris Versteeg on the other, although Edmonton could send Puljujarvi to Bakersfield for 20 games (and that would be my preference) to relieve the pressure. Reading the tea leaves, I suspect we will see the forwards line up this way opening night:

  • Milan Lucic—Connor McDavid—Jordan Eberle
  • Benoit Pouliot—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Kris Versteeg
  • Patrick Maroon—Leon Draisaitl—Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Matt Hendricks—Mark Letestu—Zack Kassian

That would leave Anton Lander and Nail Yakupov in the press box. For me, the better plan is Nail with Leon, allowing Puljujarvi to find his way in the AHL, but there will be a tipping point this fall (and it may have already occurred) where JP passes Nail in terms of organizational esteem. I think it is somewhat inevitable—the Oilers themselves have shown a clear tendency to go with the bright shiny object whenever possible. I am not saying it is unwise in this case—maybe Puljujarvi scores 30 as a rookie—but rather want to get some idea of the temperature of this battle entering camp. I suspect Nail is in trouble.

The other player who is possibly on the bubble is Mark Fayne, who was sent out a year ago and could lose his job before opening night. I do not see it—unless Peter Chiarelli makes another move before opening night. My guess for lineup on D and G opening night:

  • Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson
  • Andrej Sekera—Mark Fayne
  • Darnell Nurse—Brandon Davidson
  • Eric Gryba
  • Cam Talbot—Jonas Gustavsson

I will tell you that it is my belief  we will see a trade before opening night, and I will tell you that it is my annual belief we will see a trade before opening night—and it never happens. Balance. It is not among us, but we can see it from here.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. Puljujarvi versus Yakupov, Gryba versus Fayne and McDavid is the man.
  • Travis Yost, TSN. The Senators need to fix that blue, have they? Plus NFL and Oilers.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. We will discuss Team NA, WCOH, and opening of training camps around the NHL.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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Lackadaisical

This place is often the best part of a day. I feel crushed. I hate what happened here today.

bendelson

“Steve Smith”,

The Bumbleberry pie is on me.

N64

godot10:
Quite the thread….

…one had to wade through all the s$%# to get to “Steve Smith”.

I don’t think wade means what you think it means 😉

B S

Love the discussion on this site LT, along with all the wonderful content you post each day. I have followed this blog for much longer (2010 I believe) than I have been commenting I don’t say it often enough, even when I do post, but your contribution to our Oiler fandom is greatly appreciated, as is your viewpoint, because even when I don’t agree it is always well layed out and thoughtful. I have also admired your fair and even-handed moderation to this point in time. As a guest in your forum, I won’t tell you what to do with the comment section from here on out, only smile and follow whatever rules you lay out. Whether it’s “no puking on the bed”, “no feet on the table”, or “no one is allowed in the door”.

Spoils

can Kassian play on the left side?

Sugar Reijo

Lowetide: I have pretty much given up. Trying to do a work around at this point, but I think we can safely assume the comments section here is nearing an end. I have so enjoyed it, but cannot devote the time it takes to monitor and refuse to make others do it. If we are not adults, then we are left to find new homes on the internet. I wish everyone well, but you might as well be prepared. It is coming.

Just want to add to the chorus of whatever happens thank you LT.

godot10

Quite the thread….

…one had to wade through all the s$%# to get to “Steve Smith”.

"Steve Smith"

Lowetide,

Who will be the Connor McDavid of the comments section?

(I’ll strive to be the Ilya Byakin.)

"Steve Smith"

Lowetide: You should post more.

WELL THAT’S GOING TO BE A BIT DIFFICULT IF YOU DISABLE THE COMMENTS, NOW, ISN’T IT?

How about this: if you agree to leave the comments up, I agree to post at least three times in any given two day period.

(Most of the posts will be contextless excerpts from really terrible works of literature whose copyrights have lapsed.)

Seriously, though – on those few occasions where I have posted in the last few months, I’ve been much more likely to be part of the problem, and I think it’s at least to my credit that I’ve recognized that and mostly stayed away.

meanashell11

Ok. I do not post much at all and I doubt anything I have ever posted added to the conversation (thank Gord I never started a fight!), but I have learned to think hockey differently since hanging around (it has been many more years than I care to think) and that is a good thing ( fans of other teams might just think all this analytics was a crazy way to explain that the Oilers did not suck).

It would be a shame to shut the comments down but I understand. Commenting rights come with an understanding so I propose a time out and when we come back, one strike and you are out. I know the “free speech” crowd will go nuts, but this is a private club and trust LT to make the right decisions.

Thoughts?

"Steve Smith"

I haven’t posted here much lately specifically because I didn’t want to drag the place down; for reasons having nothing to do with this site or hockey, I’m a bit prone to assholeishness lately.* I used to be pretty heavily involved in Wikipedia, where one of the community rules is “Wikipedia is not therapy”. I pay good money to force an actual therapist to deal with my shit, so I recognize that I shouldn’t be inflicting it on you all.

For what it’s worth, the only stuff in this comments section that I’ve ever found completely intolerable is the sexism and homophobia, and I haven’t seen much of that at all lately; I’m not sure that things here are as bad as all that.

People who move the conversation forward are, in any open forum, always going to be vulnerable to ill-informed sniping from those who don’t. Totally understandable if it means that they decide to move the conversation forward elsewhere, but I don’t know that I’ve seen a huge increase in the amount of ill-informed sniping.

Bendelson, if I see you at that Fife and Dekel, you may be sure that I will, in committing an assault upon you, use a weapon, to wit a pie; fuck you, you utter abomination.

Magister Rex, I’ll see you around.

Lowetide, thanks for everything.

*No points to the first person to define “lately” to mean “the last thirty years or so”.

delooper

Kiltymcbagpipes,

The world of ideas is kind of like a giant forge. Lots of banging and crashing. People have to get used to the noise — pay attention to what you value, ignore the rest.

Younger Oil

New thread people, fresh start!

Let’s move forward with respect for all other posters!

If you want the comments section saved, it takes a group effort with positivity and encouragement.

Kiltymcbagpipes

Visually better:
Ribs,

Very well put, I probably could have said it somewhat similar to this, and realized my comment to G was a perfect example of the “bad behaviour” around here. However, I have held myself back on numerous occasions of saying something similar to what I did this morning. Its just gotten to the point where many people, (myself included) don’t feel being a part of the comments section and although I don’t view myself as a major contribution, or may not have that much to offer… That is really far from the point. I believe LT made this website (comments section included), for all Oilers fans to be a part of, not just a few people who claim to be smarter than the rest.

And herein lies the core issue and why this site IMO is at a crossroads.

I’m guessing 25% of the posters here are all-in when it comes to analytics. They see topics as black and white that require “stats” to support an argument or it is not relevant. They’ve either been constantly fighting the masses towards credibility for years and deal with any criticism harshy and aggressively ie. GMoney. or have bought into analytics above all else and point to them to prove their case. They value “proof” ie. Sample size stats over opinions and typically “attack” opposing views as ‘baseless’. The wheel has been reinvented anyone who doesn’t follow is dismissed.

Another 25% are old school posters who aren’t convinced in the fancy stats think it is over analyzing a simple game and point to analytic darlings like Sekac, Parenteau & Marincin as proof it is flawed. The eye never lies kind of person who believes hockey is played on the ice not on paper (yes admittedly I’m in that category). They believe in valued opinions and open discussions. Everything is subjective not black and white. These people usually have to ‘defend’ their views or opinions regardless of how many years they’ve lived at the rink.

These two “types” clash. Everyone else falls somewhere in between trying to understand both points of view.

How to have an intelligent conversation with people of opposite views is a challenge but as long as people at least acknowledge the other’s point of view and be respectful it should be possible. This has not been the case lately as many fail to realize there are some really great hockey minds here who don’t have a graph or matrix to illustrate their point – it comes from decades of experience being around the rink on both sides of the argument.

Analytics have a role in hockey and should be promoted here but so should the great hockey minds that don’t show up on paper but express their views here. There are a lot of great posters here who know their shit. Opinions should be encouraged not dismissed and don’t have to be popular to have merit. To attack someone who has the opposite view of you or doesn’t have a stat sheet to support their argument should be discouraged. There are some great analytic minds here and some great people who have been around hockey their whole life.

One is not more important than the other and both should be respected and acknowledged equally as well as everyone else’s opinions. If you disagree with that then maybe you’re part of the problem.

delooper

Yeah, if you want to form a brute squad, LT, I’d be happy to join and thump posters over the head / delete / suspend, whatever. I read most of your threads. I’m not always the most timely but if you have 4 or 5 people on your brute squad, you should be fine.

Frank the dog

Visually better:
Ribs,

Very well put, I probably could have said it somewhat similar to this, and realized my comment to G was a perfect example of the “bad behaviour” around here. However, I have held myself back on numerous occasions of saying something similar to what I did this morning. Its just gotten to the point where many people, (myself included) don’t feel being a part of the comments section and although I don’t view myself as a major contribution, or may not have that much to offer… That is really far from the point. I believe LT made this website (comments section included), for all Oilers fans to be a part of, not just a few people who claim to be smarter than the rest.

I have been consistently shunned by the cognoscenti for most of the time I have commented, however I have received responses from time to time. I just decided that as long as I was allowed to say what I wanted to add, that it didn’t matter whether I was replied to or not, I made my point.
I have only once seen a comment that was wildly out of order and understandably removed.
What I did notice, with sincere respect, was a change in attitude by some of our top stats contributors. Perhaps it was in response to some really crass intruders, but I noticed a change in tone from simply self confident with a bit of swagger, to an appearance of outright condescending arrogance. My conclusion was that these people were no longer up for discussion, and as such I continued to participate without engaging those who were in their own world.

##What about being able to help you with policing the comments, LT, by having a checkbox we can click to flag the comment for your attention?

Oiln5

Wow you people still listen to Stauffer? Guys like Stauffer aren’t capable of predicting players like Yak breaking out. Versteeg should be 3rd or 4th line LW, RW only if JP isn’t playing. Sure as hell not 2nd line RW while flushing Yak.

theres oil in virginia

Lowetide: but we will endeavor to persevere

I think we should just declare war on the white man instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRX6hSGeZs4

Material Elvis

You can’t say anything to anybody these days without hurting their feelings and destroying their self-esteem. I prefer real commentary that contains some emotion and a bit of snark. If it’s too politically correct then it becomes boring.

And now I’ll call out Visually Better et al who started this whole thing. If you don’t like GMoney’s tone then go read something else. I’ve never been offended by any of his posts. You actually come across as a petulant child with your ‘you’re too arrogant because you’re smart’ schtick.

Losing GMoney from this blog is a catastrophic loss. All the people who don’t like his tone can disappear.

LT, I have been following you for years and love your writin — this site kind of feels like home. I sincerely hope that you don’t take such drastic action. I don’t want to find a new home.

delooper

If comments go away, IMO the Reddit forum would probably be a good alternative.

I don’t post comments very often but it would be nice to be able to, once and a while. I’ll hopefully get my students to do some hockey statistics this (spring) semester. We did crime stats last semester, so we didn’t plunge into GMoney’s code. It looks like my class was responsible for killing the Victoria Police Department Crime Statistics page. But VicPD says it was due to inconsistencies in the data. . . hmm.

Regardless, I’ll post the info on my blog. A few of you know how to find that, if you’re interested.

Salty Fanboy

Lt, Sorry to read you’re having a rough patch on the mood and participation in your forum. I thoroughly enjoy the site, both the authors content and the varied perspectives (good and bad) from your readership. I own nothing here and get to participate for free so I will not cast judgments.

I hope the resolution emerges and you feel re-energized to continue to create a participatory environment. I have not posted through the summer (I seldom post regardless), but extend my appreciation to you for creating this place on the internet. It has evolved for me personally to be my no. 1 source of sports engagement beyond anything else. It has that kind of impact LT and sometimes its nice to hear it particularly when the mood is a little more grey than usual.

Cassandra

Tire Fire: I chose to quote you, but simply as example, others have said this today in the last few days.

Because the comments may soon be lost, I just want to register the fact that I disagree with this description entirely. I have not seen this to be the case. In fact, I find that through years of LT’s house here (including recent times), anybody coming in and saying “I think X because of Y” will be listened to and have their points discussed.

Exactly.

Bag of Pucks

LT, I think it’s nothing short of a miracle that the site stayed as civil for as long as it did with only yourself as the main moderator.

Given the volume of posts that your quality content has attracted, I think your best best (lifeline?) is to offload some of the moderation workload to a select few posters that you trust and that you would want to take up the torch to assist with maintaining your code of conduct (and that should be carefully defined by you to ensure posting behaviour aligns with your personal version of civil discourse). Unfortunately, almost everyone’s definition on this varies.

As you well know, moderation IS not easy and not everyone is well suited for it. Along these lines, I think some of the more frequent posters have taken up the role of self appointed moderation of late, their approach has been either misguided or too heavy handed, and the site has suffered for it. I would imagine this forms part of your frustration as the site evolves away from your original vision despite your always good intentions.

What I really enjoyed about this site when I first found it was adults appreciating that different opinions are part and parcel of the human experience, and it is possible to empower someone to have a differing viewpoint without it diminishing your own. Personally, I really enjoy playing ‘devils advocate’ on a polarizing topic at times, because I think that draws out interesting opinions and oft unexplored viewpoints. That was not ALWAYS appreciated but at least it was tolerated and respected in the past.

Imo, that’s where the comments section has lost the plot of late. Respect isn’t defined by how you treat those you agree with, it’s how you treat those you don’t agree with.

Of course, if you simply want to turf the workload, I could appreciate that too. Your dedication to this community, and this franchise, has already far surpassed all reasonable expectations. You put the ‘fanatic’ in fan!

Shizuka

Sorry to read about the upcoming, impending closure of the comments section, LT. I don’t always agree with your perspectives on our much beloved and maligned team, but always felt grateful for the opportunity to read and absorb some good info here. Unfortunate to see that with the thorough, thoughtful dissemination came some really poor methods and means of delivering said info. As someone else already pointed up above, some of us less intellectually versed felt rather shy and unwelcome about posting.

Thanks for putting up with us kids as long as you have LT — will always be around to read the prolific amount of posts you keep putting out for us to read. It’s appreciated, though I’m sure it doesn’t feel that way at the moment.

Ducey

Bruce Wayne: With all due respect, this whole blow up is pretty much your fault.You attacked Gmoney out of spite, motivated, I suppose, by a misguided attempt to enforce your vision of what kind of community this is.You arrogated a right that was not yours.It is your actions, not Gmoney’s, that seek to exclude.Gmoney’s arguments are available to anyone to refute insofar as they are able.That is the definition of inclusive.The price of this is a willingness to be shown to be wrong.

You seem to think that Gmoney, and people like them, are trying to push you out the door, when there is no evidence for this.Conversely, there is plenty of evidence that you, and people like you, are trying to shun and ostracize Gmoney, and people like him.Where, and what, is the problem here?It sure isn’t Gmoney.

This has always been a community where everyone is welcome, but it has never been a community where all opinions are equal.You are conflating the two, and in doing so have cut off the lifeblood of the community, which consists of reasoned argument.

Our candy coated superhero has taken off his cape ?

Ducey

Lowetide: endeavor to persevere.

Great movie.

I guess all you have for your hard work is a piece of hard rock candy.

OilFire

Visually better: The “elites” around here choose to think their point of view is the only valid way of thinking and will not have open discussion without becoming arrogant and confrontational.

I chose to quote you, but simply as example, others have said this today in the last few days.

Because the comments may soon be lost, I just want to register the fact that I disagree with this description entirely. I have not seen this to be the case. In fact, I find that through years of LT’s house here (including recent times), anybody coming in and saying “I think X because of Y” will be listened to and have their points discussed.

Cassandra

Visually better:
Ribs,

Very well put, I probably could have said it somewhat similar to this, and realized my comment to G was a perfect example of the “bad behaviour” around here. However, I have held myself back on numerous occasions of saying something similar to what I did this morning. Its just gotten to the point where many people, (myself included) don’t feel being a part of the comments section and although I don’t view myself as a major contribution, or may not have that much to offer… That is really far from the point. I believe LT made this website (comments section included), for all Oilers fans to be a part of, not just a few people who claim to be smarter than the rest.

With all due respect, this whole blow up is pretty much your fault. You attacked Gmoney out of spite, motivated, I suppose, by a misguided attempt to enforce your vision of what kind of community this is. You arrogated a right that was not yours. It is your actions, not Gmoney’s, that seek to exclude. Gmoney’s arguments are available to anyone to refute insofar as they are able. That is the definition of inclusive. The price of this is a willingness to be shown to be wrong.

You seem to think that Gmoney, and people like them, are trying to push you out the door, when there is no evidence for this. Conversely, there is plenty of evidence that you, and people like you, are trying to shun and ostracize Gmoney, and people like him. Where, and what, is the problem here? It sure isn’t Gmoney.

This has always been a community where everyone is welcome, but it has never been a community where all opinions are equal. You are conflating the two, and in doing so have cut off the lifeblood of the community, which consists of reasoned argument.

Hooperdan

As a lurker who has not missed a post for the past 4+ years, this comments section has to be the most disappointing. I enjoy not only the blogs, but everything else that is contributed as well. I will respect your decision LT, but please don’t take the comments away.

PaperKurtRussell

LT, please don’t let a few bad apples spoil everything that you’ve built here. Can we just pledge to ignore the jerks?? Most often the responses to the jerks only make things worse…

Jethro Tull

Hey guys, just back from refining a new seed drill.

What’d I miss?

PS: Reading back, looks like everyone should relax, take chill pill. Lot of angst, lot of ‘praise from Caesar’ on here, but nothing really to get hurt feeling from. Take a few days, lament TNA not making it through, watch re-runs of the Sweden game and have a brewski. Then come back.

TBH, this is family fighting. We’ll all kiss and make up then have another fight, but we will never stop coming here for our twice daily dose of everything LT and Oilers.

Stay classy, folks. If you wouldn’t say it to Connor McDavid, then don’t say it here.

Trust me, it was much worse when the Debonair Argentum Vulpes was around. Boy, there were some ‘discussions’ then. (And I’m aware he did often add to conversation, but he also trolled mercilessly. I just don’t see that here. Just sniping and back biting. Like any family)

Don’t mind me

Massive RESPECT to Lowetide for providing this meeting place.

So many varied and interesting people posting here now and over the years.

This site is a jewel, nothing else like it on the Internet.

Thank you LT.

Greg

Kitchener

We’ve all been hanging out in LT’s virtual living room for years. If he’s getting tired of chaperoning a handful of immature guests it isn’t hard to imagine why.

You’ll notice that I never respond to troll comments. It doesn’t solve everything, but I encourage other fine commenters here to do the same.

The good news is that training camp is here and for the first time in months there’ll be something new to talk about.

stush18

Gotta say LT, this place has been home for years now. I’m finally among people I can learn hockey analysis from, and can have a good talk.

Not sure if my opinion matter, but perhaps I would hold off any decisions until season starts. People have been arguing over the same different points all summer long. I think (hope) now with training camp starting and the seasons getting going, posters need more time to get over the hall trade and then a dead quiet summer.

Side

Melman: I thought everything bad in Oilerville was still Kevin Lowe’s fault….

I blame the schools.

And Rock and Roll music.

And Dungeons and Dragons!

Visually better

Ribs,

Very well put, I probably could have said it somewhat similar to this, and realized my comment to G was a perfect example of the “bad behaviour” around here. However, I have held myself back on numerous occasions of saying something similar to what I did this morning. Its just gotten to the point where many people, (myself included) don’t feel being a part of the comments section and although I don’t view myself as a major contribution, or may not have that much to offer… That is really far from the point. I believe LT made this website (comments section included), for all Oilers fans to be a part of, not just a few people who claim to be smarter than the rest.

Melman

Kiltymcbagpipes:
I blame Taylor Hall.

I thought everything bad in Oilerville was still Kevin Lowe’s fault….

Ribs

Breaking down G Money’s post the way I read it, for those who read it differently….

G Money: Man, see, this is so Oiler fan.

This reads as derogatory to Oilers fans and to the author (for being one), full stop.

We see a good performance from a rookie in a completely artificial and waaaaaaaaaaaaaay sub-NHL setting, and suddenly we think 30 goals from a rookie is even a distant bell.

Is the “completely artificial”, and “waaaaaaaaaaaay” really necessary here? Even if you were to take LT’s 30 goal comment as his true belief, why can’t you simply disagree with him without belittling him like this?

How long have you been reading LT’s blogs? Does he seem like someone who would really predict 30 goals from a rookie? We’re talking about the same author who pens a complete series of Reasonable Expectations for each player every year.

LT clearly puts much work into this blog every day, and it should be a pretty simple task for us to show some respect for that. If you disagree with something, question something, or have an issue with how something has been presented, post a polite comment in the thread below the post and you will most likely receive a polite response to that comment from LT himself, or from any amount of the many other polite visitors of this place. Simple, right?

I’m sure G meant no harm from his comment, but a little more thought put into the presentation of the post would have went a long way here.

It will be a sad day when the comments section goes away, but I won’t blame LT one bit for shutting it down. It appears that it has become far too easy to take LT’s benevolence for granted these days.

*sigh*

Visually better

Kiltymcbagpipes:
Sounds like fight club here. Who boo boo’d GMoney’s feelings? Lol. He’ll be back.

This site has certainly gone downhill recently as an increased number of posters have become more emotionally attached to analytics and have developed a certain arrogance towards their work. “How dare thee challenge my work! Hockey in 2016 is all about the stats be gone with your baseless opinions even if they are 100% accurate. They MUST supported by a small sample sized fancystat or no attention will be paid to thee!”

The days of just shooting the shit with fellow Oilers fans around here expressing our opinions for fun is gone thanks in large part to the ‘intellectual elites’ who like to attack the average fan and convolute the conversation with a series of sample stats. A clique has definitely formed and if you’re not down with that then you’re not welcome. I’ve complained for many months opinions here are being discouraged instead being replaced by our local so called ‘experts’ supposed indisputable facts. Maybe it’s time to redefine the rules and ease up on the bullying on an Oilers blog? LT’s blog is the best on the net but the comments are out of control.

GMONEY has attacked more people than anyone on here the last year I don’t care what work he does that’s not cool in my books. If he comes back a little less arrogant and more open to other opinions that might be better for everyone.

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Amen.. However couldn’t agree more G is not the only one to do that. There are a few here who; because of analytics think they know more about the game or are smarter than the average fan. No question analytics have a valuable place in this game, and I ALSO realize that a lot of what this site is about has to do with analytics. However, I don’t see LT pushing his thoughts/beliefs/idea on to anyone in an arrogant way, he actually chooses to entice chatter and open dialogue. The “elites” around here choose to think their point of view is the only valid way of thinking and will not have open discussion without becoming arrogant and confrontational.

LT I would hate to see the comments section go the same as everyone here, but also respect your decision and furthermore; completely understand it. All you do is give on this website, and lately all you’ve been getting back is headache, disrespect and frustration. People obviously don’t realize the time and effort you put in to EACH and EVERY SINGLE post, and take it even further by being a major part of the comment section as well.

Doug McLachlan

So, the kids are out of the tourney despite playing three great games. Shame. Will be “forced” to endure Canada-Russia on Saturday night. Ok.

Sweden dismantles team Europe on Sunday and everybody in Oilerland is tucked into their bed by early next week.

On the whole, I think the Oilers who went have fared well and will be better for the experience.

We already knew that McDavid was amazing – the chance to gear up against the worlds best was not a bad thing at all. Awesome to see that he may have, inexplicably, gained a step!

Nuge turned heads, even where we know he’s underrated. Hope he parlays this experience into a monster season.

What a coming out party for Draisaitl – under the wing of his idol and divisional rival Kopitar. TMac, the kid is a center – not a winger.

Even Sekera has looked good and may have silenced some of his critics with his play. Will be nice to see him slotted a little lower in the batting order where he won’t be asked to do everything.

All told, a positive experience.

Assuming that the Kruger-nation doesn’t upset the Tre Kroner on Sunday, we will have our top three centers in camp and will be able to fiddle with the line-up until we get it right.

Let the battle to feast at the right-hand of McDavid begin!!

T0ML

Well damn, wish users could be a bit more civil would suck to lose this spot, makes reading oilers talk alot better down here in FL … The blog is great but the commentators just make it better, giving more insight and thoughts (I even miss DSF !!! )….

Might have to checkout that reddit linked above for sure.

Kiltymcbagpipes

You mean no more GMONEY OR Caramel Batman?

I’ll have a coke then…..

Haha, I’m just kidding. Seriously I love Dustrock and Side’s ideas. I’m sure you’ll figure it out.

Side

LT, not sure what the technical limitations are of your site are, but perhaps an ‘Upvote’ and ‘Downvote’ option could be added. Where comments that are downvoted past a certain threshold are hidden or minimized where they have to be clicked to read.

vinotintazo

In before comments are gone.

Love the Blog and comments from 99% of people.

Sucks to lose that, but I thank LT for keeping the site up.