BAKERSFIELD IS LEFTHANDED

by Lowetide

Craig MacTavish spent part of the day watching the Toronto Marlies (based on reports) and that is interesting on a couple of levels.

https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/787335111339548672

Veillette’s observation is probably correct, but let’s blow this thing completely out of proportion and see if we can suss out what Edmonton might be scouting. In the game today, the Marlies deployed the following defenders:

  • LD Rinat Valiev, 21. He is 6.02, 214 and appears to have a reasonable range of skills. Played 60 AHL and 10 NHL games one year ago, suspect Toronto likes him and he is an unlikely asset to move.
  • RD Justin Holl, 24. He is 6.03, 195 and was drafted by Chicago in 2010. Posted 21 points in 60 AHL games last season (in the Chicago system) and one imagines he could be available—the attraction for Edmonton being the need for RHD.
  • LD Viktor Loov, 23. He is 6.03, 216 and a good skater, average offensively at the AHL level (23 points per 82 games in the minors) and has had an NHL cup of coffee.
  • RD Andrew Nielsen, 19. He is 6.03, 207 and had a fabulous game today, going 1-2-3. He was a third-round pick in 2015 and has some legit offensive ability. He blossomed offensively in his draft +1 season in the WHL and had a fine game today. Suspect Oilers would be interested, and that the Leafs are too.
  • LD Travis Dermott, 19. Second-round pick in 2015, he has the complete range of skills and is progressing nicely. Doubt the Leafs move him before they know what he is.

FORWARDS

  • RW Nikita Soshnikov, 23. He is 5.11, 186 and shoots left but plays RW. I like him, he makes plays like hell won’t have it and is a good offensive player. The Toronto’s have a pile of really good young forwards, this guy might slip through the cracks.
  • LW Kerby Rychel, 22. He is listed at 6.01, 213 but has a power forward’s style and skills. I like this player, he fits the Chiarelli style.
  • RW Kasperi Kapanen, 21. He is 6.0 178 and an offensive player. Good skater, great shot, and like Dermott I don’t think the Maple Leafs will trade him.

It is probably Colin Greening or Brooks Laich, but the idea of grabbing a RD before opening night must have some appeal, as the Leftorium in Bakersfield remains ridiculous.

  • 2—LD Mark Fraser
  • 3—LD Dillon Simpson
  • 5—LD Ben Betker
  • 6—LD David Musil
  • 7—C Jujhar Khaira
  • 8—LD Griffin Reinhart
  • 11—W Joey Benik
  • 12—L Ryan Hamilton
  • 14—C Kyle Platzer
  • 15—LD Jordan Oesterle
  • 17—LD Joey Laleggia
  • 18—C Josh Currie
  • 19—L Mitch Moroz
  • 22—R Joel Rechlicz
  • 23—L Braden Christoffer
  • 25—R Greg Chase
  • 28—LD Mikael Tam
  • 29—L Scott Allen
  • 31—G Laurent Brossoit
  • 34—G Nick Ellis
  • 36—R Patrick Russell
  • 39—R Jaedon Descheneau
  • 40—L Jere Sallinen
  • 41—R Taylor Beck
  • Source

Even Tam is a lefty. Insane.

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LOObird

Maybe the Marlies want Mark Fraser back.

Yeah, that must be it.

Ryan

From the old thread

fifthcartel:
Ryan,

This is an interesting point, and I share a similar worry about RNH’s value if he only puts up ~45 points getting less TOI at ES and PP.

Part of me wants them to split up Lucic-McDavid-Eberle and either put Pouliot or Draisaitl with McDavid, but they seem down on Pouliot even though RNH needs more support.

I have a feeling RNH is the next bullet in the chamber to be used on a RHD, and his money goes to Draisaitl,and they desperately need a good season from him if that’s the plan.

This is the correct answer. Nicely done!

A. He needs Eberle and we need a RW for McDavid or
B. He needs Draisatl on RW and we need a 3c if Drake doesn’t pan out.

I wouldn’t bet on Drake this year based on zero NHL experience and history as a winger which means we need someone for A or B.

Anyway, finally someone’s on the same page here. 🙂

RNH is an asset that needs to have his value maintained.

Playing him with Pouliot and dregs for this season will sewer his value which would be a very Oilers thing to do.

lynn

I can see Jujhar Khaira going to Toronto as part of a trade for whomever. He was sent down early from Oilers’ camp. Coaches not pleased with his play or development?

Clarkenstein

Katz gave him $10M and told him to go find a couple Russians.

Woogie63

Bakersfield has lots blah….

LB
Reinhart
Kharia

And then…..

slopitch

I think the Oilers should be looking to add without subtracting. But if the jets would consider Nuge + Fayne for Trouba and a C, I think the Oilers would listen. That said, I’d hate to shake things up the second C becomes a strength. Find a Jason Smith or Steve Staois for a cheap price. No more trades where we give up the best player.

Halfwise

It’s as if the importance of Right Shot D never mattered to the scouts or management.

Q. Is this possible?
A. Why, yes. Yes it is.

kinger_OIL

– FFS: just trade Nurse + anything not in NHL (#1 pick, any AHL player, etc…) for Trouba, let’s call the rebuild 4.0 done, and be playoffs

fifthcartel

Ryan,

Haha, it just makes some sense with Draisaitl’s contract up at the end of the year and my bet that they want to extend him long term.

This is why not signing Versteeg was so crazy when the other right wings are Kassian and Puljujarvi. They either needed a veteran RW to play with RNH or a veteran center to allow Draisaitl to play 2RW, and they did neither.

I don’t agree with the idea of moving RNH out, but I didn’t agree with Hall for Larsson either, and if thats the plan they better make sure he is at least in the 50 points range, which might be difficult with the lines they currently have.

I definitely see them trying to get that puck moving, powerplay 2RHD for RNH.

Chris

Platzer, Simpson and Salinen looked like they could become useful players….beyond Broissoit, Reinhardt and Khaira.

Halfwise

Lowetide: Game has changed, too. The speed of the oncoming forwards is such that getting the puck under control on the forehand is a big damned deal.

“…if there’s ever a concern”

I’m glad to see some fresh thinking behind the roster decisions.

Spydyr

Great, the guy that saw Norris potential in Schultz and thought Horcoff should be on Team Canada is out scouting.

jonrmcleod

We’ve added another Lowetide-ian to The Oilers Rig:

The Oilers Rig
@TheOilersRig
We’d like to welcome our newest writer, Quinlan @2ndTierThinkers, to The Oilers Rig! Welcome aboard!

That’s now 5 Lowetide-ians on the Rig: Rexlibris, WheatNOil, Supernova, Quinlan, and yours truly.

rickithebear

jonrmcleod:
We’ve added another Lowetide-ian to The Oilers Rig:

The Oilers Rig
@TheOilersRig
We’d like to welcome our newest writer, Quinlan @2ndTierThinkers, to The Oilers Rig! Welcome aboard!

That’s now 5 Lowetide-ians on the Rig: Rexlibris, WheatNOil, Supernova, Quinlan, and yours truly.

I thought oilers mgmt was misinformed!

MrDooman

Maybe he was scouting whoever the Marlies were playing?

Zelepukin

fifthcartel: I don’t agree with the idea of moving RNH out, but I didn’t agree with Hall for Larsson either, and if thats the plan they better make sure he is at least in the 50 points range, which might be difficult with the lines they currently have.

Trading Nuge would be a horrible, horrible mistake.There is no reality where our top 3 centres play all 82 games. It’s impossible in today’s NHL. This means that if god forbid, McD get’s injured and you’re left with only Drai, Lander, Drake and Lets…we are screwed.

Nuge is the ideal 2C, once you put aside the heavy burden of 1C offensive numbers. Only 23yrs old, 4 years of NHL experience playing against top D and F. Defensive/take-away wizard, can skate miles, PK, PP, amazing passer, incredibly smart. His weakest area is F/O.

Hopefully once our PP gets going then he can quarterback our 2nd unit. McD is good for a guaranteed minimum of 2 drawn penalties a game. That’s a given. Meaning he is on the ice and half the time, will change on the call unless he just got out there. So Nuge can start that 2nd PP unit.

Woogie63

Beer, burger and fries

Rogers Place $32
Saddledome $16
Rogers Arena $20 (but free beer with your ticket tonight)

Woogie63

Opening night fan gifts

Edmonton – Silver ticket, Oiler shirt, wrist light, program

Calgary – Flames scarf, program

Vancouver – can of Bud and game sheet

Water Fire

kinger_OIL:
– FFS: just trade Nurse + anything not in NHL (#1pick, any AHL player, etc…) for Trouba, let’s call the rebuild 4.0 done, and be playoffs

Maybe they don’t want him. All he has on his NHL resume is physical gifts and junior glories.

Pescador

MrDooman:
Maybe he was scouting whoever the Marlies were playing?

Actually it was a practice. It was over 2 hours before he arrived.
Chia set it all up, got tired of the same conversation over & over again;
“How do you like your new office Peter?”
“You know that used to be my office”

Woogie63

MrDooman:
Maybe he was scouting whoever the Marlies were playing?

Marco Roy???

Pescador

Woogie63:
Opening night fan gifts

Edmonton – Silver ticket, Oiler shirt, wrist light, program

Calgary – Flames scarf, program

Vancouver – can of Bud and game sheet

Edmonton -3pts from McDavid & an Oilers W

Calgary-3pts from McDavid & an Oilers W (even better)

Vancouver-hopefully another Flames beat down

Lucinius

Just looking at the boxscores… Petry having a great game in Montreal; two goals. Really miss having that guy; would solve a lot of problems on our D.

Hall goes a second game without a point in New Jersey. No idea how his game has been there (probably take him awhile to adjust), but still interesting, especially given how prolific ex-Oilers have been so far this season.

kinger_OIL

Water Fire: Maybe they don’t want him. All he has on his NHL resume is physical gifts and junior glories.

– Maybe your right. He has played 3 years in NHL, he’s physical, he gets a decent amount of points, plays a lot of minutes. He’s a huge step-up from Nurse.

– Suspect they are too smart to trade him for Nurse

flyfish1168

Lucinius:
Just looking at the boxscores… Petry having a great game in Montreal; two goals. Really miss having that guy; would solvea lot of problems on our D.

Hall goes a second game without a point in New Jersey. No idea how his game has been there (probably take him awhile to adjust), but still interesting, especially given how prolific ex-Oilers have been so far this season.

He will get a few points the night he plays us.

JD_Wry

Matthews – pointless in four of six periods played, and no assists.

Clay

You guys, I don’t really know how to say this without breaking hearts or shattering paradigms, so I’m just going to come out with it.

Austin Matthews was held off the scoresheet tonight.

What does this mean??? Is he garbage now? Are the Leaves not going to win the Cup this year? They said… they said he was the best ever!

My whole world is a lie!

Edit: Goddammit JDI!

flyfish1168

JDï™:
Matthews – pointless in four of six periods played, and no assists.

Dam what is tsn going to talk about

N64

flyfish1168: Dam what is tsn going to talk about

That the leafs won because the bruins were preoccupied with keeping Matthews off the scoreboard. 😉

Or Keon’s big night:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-retire-honoured-numbers-dave-keons-no-14/

14 @ 22:55

Bower and Armstrong and some younger ones were there as well.

Rand

Leafs fan here, I don’t see them moving Soshnikov. They seem to like him quite a bit, they’ve been fairly clear that he has a role with the big Leafs when fully healthy again, and they talked him up quite a bit last season when he was up towards the latter part of the year. I doubt he’s down long past the date he’s completely healthy and they find some way to open some room on the roster.

I imagine Loov could be had for an insignificant cost, he seems to have stagnated a bit and they obviously prefer Valiev. With several younger players coming up behind, I can see him heading out if there were interest.

Lamoriello and the rest of the brass have been pushing Kapanen’s profile up in interviews lately. Whether that’s an attempt to make him look more valuable then he is, or they really thing he’s almost ready I have no idea.

I wouldn’t be shocked if Rychel was available. No strong reason for it, just seems like a less then ideal roster fit here. Plus I think he wants to play in the NHL sooner rather then later, and I don’t see a great spot opening for him.

Leafs would almost certainly badly like more young D prospects. They have a pile of nice young prospects up front in the AHL and below, but only a handful of defenders that might ever have a shot at playing in the NHL.

If Edmonton is ready to move on from Reinhart, I suspect Toronto would be interested but outside of perhaps Loov I imagine it would have to be for a forward.

JustWatt

Zelepukin: Trading Nuge would be a horrible, horrible mistake.There is no reality where our top 3 centres play all 82 games. It’s impossible in today’s NHL. This means that if god forbid, McD get’s injured and you’re left with only Drai, Lander, Drake and Lets…we are screwed.

Nuge is the ideal 2C, once you put aside the heavy burden of 1C offensive numbers. Only 23yrs old, 4 years of NHL experience playing against top D and F. Defensive/take-away wizard, can skate miles, PK, PP, amazing passer, incredibly smart. His weakest area is F/O.

Hopefully once our PP gets going then he can quarterback our 2nd unit. McD is good for a guaranteed minimum of 2 drawn penalties a game. That’s a given. Meaning he is on the ice and half the time, will change on the call unless he just got out there. So Nuge can start that 2nd PP unit.

Quoted for truth and common sense.

fifthcartel

I follow some Canucks fans on Twitter and I’ve seen a bunch of them think Jordan Subban will be moved after they signed Stecher.

Smaller RHD, but might have a future on a powerplay.

flyfish1168

wow knuckleheads score on their own net

JD_Wry
Oil2Oilers

I would trust Craig McTavish evaluation of defenseman as much as I would trust Donald Trump to escort my daughter to a night club.

flyfish1168

JDï™:
flyfish1168,

https://streamable.com/w726

Could end up being the game winning goal

Lucinius

JDï™:
flyfish1168,

https://streamable.com/w726

Ah… the Canucks. So much to enjoy from their suffering. Only downside is Calgary benefiting from it.

Also of note; Marincin got an assist tonight!

JD_Wry

flyfish1168: Could end up being the game winning goal

That would really be the best outcome. Bad and badder.

rickithebear

Soshnikov got less gaoals and points than a much younger 20 year old slepyshev in khl.

N64

JDï™: That would really be the best outcome. Bad and badder.

I’d support no shootouts and 3 pts for a win and 1 for a tie just to see Flames and Canucks both lose.

wheatnoil

Just wanted to add to something Woodguy had mentioned in the last thread.

He pointed out that Oilers xG is much better than corsi over the first two games.
corsi = 41.9%
xG = 52.8%

I wanted to add this bit too… if you adjust for score (and venue) effects:
corsi = 44.3%
xG = 54.2%

So the Oilers are losing the corsi battle even adjusting for score effects, but they’re winning when you consider shot quality.

Now, that’s basically ALL McDavid (again as Woodguy has pointed out), but it’s still worth pointing out that the weighted measures put them ahead.

Of course, it’s two games and none of this matters, but I thought the gap was interesting none-the-less.

Ryan

fifthcartel:
Ryan,

Haha, it just makes some sense with Draisaitl’s contract up at the end of the year and my bet that they want to extend him long term.

This is why not signing Versteeg was so crazy when the other right wings are Kassian and Puljujarvi. They either needed a veteran RW to play with RNH or a veteran center to allow Draisaitl to play 2RW, and they did neither.

I don’t agree with the idea of moving RNH out, but I didn’t agree with Hall for Larsson either, and if thats the plan they better make sure he is at least in the 50 points range, which might be difficult with the lines they currently have.

I definitely see them trying to get that puck moving, powerplay 2RHD for RNH.

Haha.

Again, this is the correct answer.

I am also not necessarily advocating for moving on from RNH.

However, it behooves the Oilers brass to protect the asset. You can’t let him wither on the vine.

Not finding a vet RW like Versteeg or a 3 c was a mistake.

If Nuge finishes the season in the mid forties, at six million cap, he’ll be an illiquid asset if you need to trade him at the end if the season for a RHS puck moving d.

rickithebear

Clay:
You guys, I don’t really know how to say this without breaking hearts or shattering paradigms, so I’m just going to come out with it.

Austin Matthews was held off the scoresheet tonight.

What does this mean???Is he garbage now?Are the Leaves not going to win the Cup this year?They said… they said he was the best ever!

My whole world is a lie!

Edit: Goddammit JDI!

According to Toronto meadia.
He is like Taylor Hall.
Selfishly chases personal glormy and loses games!

Ice Sage

Watched a bit of Phlegms-Dys…

so bland – McD is my hockey umami now

Aron_S

For those watching more games than just the Oilers game:

Are the coaches still calling Coach’s Challenges as much as they did last season? I haven’t seen a game with one yet this season(offiside or goaltender interference). Maybe I’m just used to Hartley calling so many with the Flames, but the season is still young.

Dennis L

wheatnoil:
I’ve mentioned this on Twitter, but I wonder if a reasonable strategy isn’t to give McDavid a ton of defensive zone starts. His speed through the neutral zone is amazing and he’s ridiculously dangerous off the rush. If you give them the puck, he carries out it more often than not. So you’re not completely drying up his offence. Meanwhile, is whatever you lose by not having having him start in the offensive zone made up by giving RNH and Drai a better starting position?

From the last thread. It is an intriguing tactic. If it was attempted for a time, all that matters is the effect on team scoring vs. “normal” deployment. If it boosts team scoring, great news. If flat, I suppose it could be used to boost the boxcars and confidence of struggling others. If team scoring decreases, clearly pull the chute.

Younger Oil

Question: If the Calgary-Vancouver game ends 1-0 with an own goal with the goalie off the ice, does the Vancouver goalie get credit for a shutout?