STORMS NEVER LAST

by Lowetide

The Edmonton Oilers won a game against the St. Louis Blues last night, in October, while still in contention for a playoff spot. It was not a perfect effort, but a win is a win is a win—and they are officially rolling in October. Rare air, ladies. Call out the instigators, because there’s something in the air.

GOOD DAY SUNSHINE, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2015: 1-4-0, goal differential -5
  • Oilers in October 2016: 4-1-0, goal differential +4

This was a big win for the organization, seriously the momentum at the beginning of the season for this team has been wretched for many years. I have suggested 5-2-1 would be a good October, but with this start it is probably fair to hope for more.

  • HD SCF-SCA (5×5): 14-8 (63.64 percent) (Source)
  • CORSI FOR-AGAINST (5X5): 44-62 (41.51 percent) (Source)
  • DANGEROUS FENWICK (5×5): 35-35 (50 percent) (Source)

Interesting night for things other than Corsi, as the HD and DFF had the Oilers tied or ahead, while the Corsi numbers favored the Blues by a wide margin. G and friends have been doing great work and this kind of distance (and being on the right side of the result) is a good arrow for the measure. Now, we need seasons of evidence that DFF is a better predictor of success, but small victories are big steps. I remain a stubborn Corsi man, but look forward to the journey ahead.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

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  • Oscar Klefbom had a terrific night, he can wheel and makes good decisions—even went deep into the offensive zone a time or two. Played 14:58 with Adam Larsson, and faced Steen, Schwartz and Tarasenko most often. His best game of the season.
  • Darnell Nurse—Eric Gryba played some high event hockey (nine total high-danger scoring chances is a lot for a third pairing) but survived. If Edmonton plans to make a playoff push, the third pair is going to be an issue, unless Nurse takes a step this season. I see signs, but never trust a fan.
  • Kris Russell is getting better press than Connor McDavid these days, he had five blocked shots and two takeaways. He faced Robby Fabbri and Paul Stastny most often while partnering with Andrej Sekera. So far this season, Russell has a Corsi for percentage 5×5 of 47.26, ranking him No. 2 among regulars (Nurse 50.0). Edmonton’s overall number is 46.36, meaning Russell is slightly above average in this area. Too soon to make any sweeping statements, and of course we have to remember it is five games into the season. That said, Russell has had a nice run.
  • Andrej Sekera played with Russell most often, and they lost the Corsi battle while doing well in the scoring chance metric. I don’t have an answer for it, it will be interesting to see if it follows a trend.
  • Adam Larsson is going to be a favorite of mine, he was gold with Klefbom (everyone was) and blocked three shots. He also took a penalty on a pretty strong elbow to Tarasenko, he is at least rugged and maybe a mile or two past that at times. Interesting to see him come into view.
  • Cam Talbot has had two strong recovery games since the Buffalo roamed, good for him. Edmonton needs him to be consistently the best goaltender in every game they play.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

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  • Lucic—McDavid—Eberle went 6-2 in HD SCs and 12-5 in scoring chances. That is fantastic, and of course the winning goal came from this trio. Faced Bouwmeester—Pietrangelo much of the night, very successful evening. Easily the best night by far for Lucic, McDavid seemed quiet for two periods but ripped the cover off the ball in the third period. The end play of the GWG featured McDavid and Lucic in starring roles, but we shouldn’t forget the Eberle pass. So far this season, in five games, the McDavid trio has scored nine goals. This 97 is going to run over the wild west for a long, long time. McDavid 53 percent on the dot, nine shots on goal for the trio.
  • Maroon—Draisaitl—Slepyshev line impresses me with how much they get done. They have skill, work hard, forecheck well and can pass and take a pass. Did not cash but this group gave a solid effort. Leon was 78 percent on the dot, six shots on goal—four from Maroon.
  • Pouliot—Nuge—Kassian got some things done tonight although they did not cash a goal. Nuge had a really strong moment with Maroon and Pitlick, maybe we see that at some point. Nuge was up against the Tarasenko group for 8:45, I think that was probably the matchup both coaches could live with (McDavid faced Fabbri-Stastny, but did get about five minutes of Tarasenko).
  • Lander—Letestu—Pitlick didn’t play a lot, Letestu less than five minutes at evens, but they got a goal. Don’t know why, but the Oilers are getting all kinds of secondary goals from these fellows. Pitlick has three goals this season! Insanity.

MARK SPECTOR

Spec had an interesting quote via twitter:

  • Jake Allen: “They are not the Oilers of the last few years, I’ll tell you that. They are a good hockey club, made some good additions.” Source

I get emails from folks who worry that the Oilers will do well and Taylor Hall will be blamed for it. Seriously. I feel very strongly this team needed (and needs) better balance, with a backup goalie, a RH puck moving D and a Pisani added. Hard to make any argument and be heard this morning, the Edmonton Oilers have a mitt full of wins after just five games.

You know what stills the thunder? Winning. Winning hockey games makes it hard for me to argue that Peter Chiarelli stopped before balance, that the Jonas Gustavsson bet was not a good one, that Kris Russell is shy in terms of addressing need. We are very early in the season, and it seems silly to suggest storms never last after a decade plus, but the Oilers are 4-1-0 this morning. To the victor goes the spoils.

That said, I remain convinced the Hall-for-Larsson trade was not full value and am not going to surrender on the need for more balance. Chiarelli and McLellan may have found a Pisani (Tyler Pitlick does not have great possession numbers but it is early and the young man is scoring), but the defense needs a hammer and the goaltending is thin on depth.

The early winning streak does give me hope that the team will be aggressive in-season if these issues hurt the team’s chances. The possession totals are still an issue, but at 4-1-0 it is more difficult today to rage and be heard. Winning changes everything.

This video is a sign that things are getting through to the prospects. Sallinen scores, gets leveled by Scott Kosmachuk and then takes several rights from Griffin Reinhart. Oilers want aggressive defensemen—at the blue line, along the wall and after the whistle.

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Photo by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved

Jujhar Khaira is emerging as a strong candidate for early recall on the basis of his early season production for the Bakersfield Condors. He is 2gp, 3-1-4 so far and with Jesse Puljujarvi possibly heading to the minors (Edmonton is winning with the young Finn in the pressbox) we could see it happen. Matt Benning is 2gp, 1-1-2 and we might also see a recall (with Ben Betker sent back) before the minor league team heads to America.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. We kick off an interesting weekend and a fantastic evening in sports with:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. Jays run ends, what is next? Oilers good early.
  • Guy Flaming, Pipeline Show. Oil Kings update plus early season performances from top draft prospects.
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Why aren’t we more excited about the Winnipeg outdoor game?
  • Paul Almeida, SSE. Oilers are 4-1-0, can they keep going?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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frjohnk

Reinhart;
Thats exactly the response this team has lacked for the last 5 years.

Ca$h-McMoney!

I tweeted this early in the morning, but it’s worth posting here. I have Corey Schneider on my fantasy team. He has let in 8 goals in 4 games and has 1 win to show for it.

I really feel like Hall might be in his 30s before he sees the playoffs, if he ever does.

Ca$h-McMoney!

Total sidebar question for the folks who know the CBA:

I understand that the 9 game mark allows an ELC to slide to next year.

I understand the 40 game mark allows UFA elligibility to slide to next year.

That said….

I believe the 9 game mark is an “actual games played” mark, whereas the 40 game mark is a “games on the roster” mark. My understanding is that a player that is a scratch or that is injured continues to acrue games towards this mark. I may be wrong here.

If I’m not wrong, how does that impact a guy like Sam Bennet, who was on the roster for more than 40 games but played fewer than 9 in his first season? Does the ELC slide but he’s a UFA 1 year sooner?

PaperKurtRussell

Nice win against a “Big Boy” team! Looks like a classic game where the Oil bent, but did not break. Seriously, there were no breakaways against, and few if any odd-man chances. Remember the swarm season?? Damn, there were severe god awful breakdowns a few times each period! Talbot did make some excellent saves, but most of them you would expect a quality goalie to make.

jonrmcleod

So far this season (it’s early, I know), the Flames have allowed the most goals, while the Oilers have scored the most.

dangilitis

I need to laugh when the sun is out
I’ve got something I can laugh about (Flames) ?

frjohnk

Here are the on ice metrics for the D from Natural Stat Trick 5 on 5

CF%
Darnell Nurse 48.59
Andrej Sekera 45.57
Kris Russell 45.45
Adam Larsson 45.18
Eric Gryba 45.07
Oscar Klefbom 45

FF%
Kris Russell 48.41
Andrej Sekera 48.21
Oscar Klefbom 48.04
Adam Larsson 47.93
Darnell Nurse 42.99
Eric Gryba 36.73

Player SF%
Kris Russell 51.65
Andrej Sekera 51.28
Oscar Klefbom 48.78
Adam Larsson 47.78
Darnell Nurse 41.33
Eric Gryba 31.25

SCF%
Kris Russell 61.4
Andrej Sekera 52.54
Oscar Klefbom 52.46
Darnell Nurse 51.85
Eric Gryba 50
Adam Larsson 49.25

Player HDCF%
Oscar Klefbom 68.97
Kris Russell 62.5
Adam Larsson 58.06
Eric Gryba 57.89
Darnell Nurse 51.52
Andrej Sekera 50

CA/60
Oscar Klefbom 56.3
Adam Larsson 61.8
Eric Gryba 62.3
Andrej Sekera 62.4
Darnell Nurse 63.3
Kris Russell 65.3

SA/60
Andrej Sekera 27.6
Kris Russell 29.9
Oscar Klefbom 30.7
Adam Larsson 31.9
Eric Gryba 35.2
Darnell Nurse 38.2

SCA/60
Kris Russell 15.0
Andrej Sekera 20.3
Oscar Klefbom 21.2
Darnell Nurse 22.6
Adam Larsson 23.1
Eric Gryba 25.6

HDCA/60
Oscar Klefbom 6.6
Kris Russell 8.2
Adam Larsson 8.8
Andrej Sekera 11.6
Eric Gryba 12.8
Darnell Nurse 13.9

Except for corsi against, a good argument could be made that Russell has the best on ice metrics for our D.
There is the McDavid effect happening for Russell, but the McDavid effect happens for all players. All D do worse when they dont play with him.

Something interesting is that EBERLE and Lucic have played 22 and 24 minutes away from McDavid. They are 51% and 50% away from McDavid respectively. They are the only positive possession players away from McDavid who have played all the games.

McDavid corsi away from EBERLE 42.8%
McDavid corsi away from Lucic 40%.

McDavid is a drag on those two 🙂

Pouzar

“HD SCF-SCA (5×5): 14-8 (63.64 percent) (Source)”

Is it just me or this more important stat to win(score notwithstanding)? We are consistently outchancing teams and that’s a good thing right?

Johnny

It’s early, but If this TEAM keeps winning, i am hoping Gmoney comes back to explain the effects of the “devastating loss” of Taylor Hall.

The reason the ‘trade supporters’ liked the deal was because it was about making the team better. Balls not to be scared of optically losing a trade.

And yes, it was Larssen AND Lucic for Hall. Cap world folks.

A new day. That win was huge. As big or bigger than beating CGY.

Ca$h-McMoney!

jonrmcleod:
So far this season (it’s early, I know), the Flames have allowed the most goals, while the Oilers have scored the most.

It’s not really fair to judge the Flames on that basis.

They’ve played the powerhouse Oilers twice, and the league leading and still undefeated Canucks once. No one would come out of that smelling like roses.

Murderers row to start the season for them.

Ducey

Its pretty obvious that Chiarelli is a moron and should be fired. I can’t believe you apologists keep twisting yourselves in knots justifying his moves by looking at the standings.

Also interesting that the shot leaders on the farm last night were

Benning 6
Khaira 4
Oesterle 4
Leggs 4

Some offense from the defense could be on the way.

jm363561

As the honorary president of the oft maligned Anton Lander Appreciation Society I think you might have noted that his 1 – 1 HD SC F-A was nothing short of miraculous given his brutal zone starts (I think I saw 8% on last nights blog). Excellent PK stats for he last three games also. I still believe in Anton!

LT, it is amazing you post these great game summaries just a few hours after the game finishes. Our thanks to Mrs LT.

JOHNNY OPERATOR76

I think the possession numbers will start looking better as the team builds more confidence. This is a good team. I like the gritt they are showing.

Pouzar

frjohnk,

Eberle is a helluva hockey player.

Jethro Tull

Ca$h-McMoney!: It’s not really fair to judge the Flames on that basis.

They’ve played the powerhouse Oilers twice, and the league leading and still undefeated Canucks once.No one would come out of that smelling like roses.

Murderers row to start the season for them.

Don’t forget the Beasts of the East Buffalo. Beating them in OT must have tuckered them.

dustrock

When people ponder what the value of Larsson is exactly (and some very intelligent friends of mine in my hockey pool were saying this last night), I really like G Money’s shot chart from last night

http://i.imgur.com/3WUicsb.png

https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2016/10/20/g5-2016-10-20-oilers-have-some-cordon-blues-for-dinner/

That’s against Tarasenko. That’s why we traded Hall for him. He wasn’t getting a sniff.

The other thing I’ll say is that this was a pretty composed and mature game by the Oilers; in other years, the effort perhaps would be there, but they’d try to run and gun, or there would be a terrible mistake or two, and the Blues would capitalize on them, and that’s all she wrote.

Lucic said they can respect the Blues but not be afraid of them, and I think we saw that last night.

Not having Backes helps though 😀

And Larsson’s 2 minutes for the elbow to Tarasenko, well worth it.

frjohnk

Pouzar:
frjohnk,

Eberle is a helluva hockey player.

Its EBERLE Damn it!

And yes he is.

Absolutely no doubt he is a great player and a very important piece for this team.
Stay healthy.

jm363561

frjohnk:
Reinhart;
Thats exactly the response this team has lacked for the last 5 years.

Bloody hell. Quite a stunning clip.

John Chambers

Ca$h-McMoney!,

Looks like Bennett had his contract slide as he played fewer than 9 games in 14-15, despite being an injured roster player for virtually the entire season.

GPMudder

That kid just felt two years of Reinhart frustration!

digger50

Oilers showed good character last night and were rewarded. Truth be told it could have gone either way and this discussion would be different.

The roster holes or areas for improvement still exist, just the urgency changes when we are winning. There is a collapse coming at some point and everyone will have their ginch in a knot and wont know what to do with their tits.

Hopefully the team can see this as well and get into proactive mode for a change. Hope Chia is still on the hunt, watching waiver wire, looking for opportunities. TMac should bring up the best defenceman and prep him before they need him.

I cant see the Condors clip. But Rienhart fighting screams “confidence” to me, just what he needs.

edit: by collapse I mean a short losing streak. I’m still bullish.

frjohnk

John Chambers:
Ca$h-McMoney!,

Looks like Bennett had his contract slide as he played fewer than 9 games in 14-15, despite being an injured roster player for virtually the entire season.

But he played more than 9 games including playoffs so he becomes RFA this coming summer. Just like Drai.

Bag of Pucks

Larsson pretty much solely responsible for the lone goal against last night, and the next day people trumpeting the brilliance of Chiarelli and the Hall trade? Timing seems off.

Chiarelli brought in two veteran defenceman for a roster that sorely needed them. Wild applause. In related news, I had a serious cut once and recognized that it needed stitches. I must be a genius.

The Hall trade will always be an overpay to fix a problem created by the previous regime. If Tambellini had simply drafted Larsson over RNH, we’re not having this conversation now and this team is stacked in the Top 6. And in 3 years, Hall’s definitely going to be offering more upside than that Lucic contract.

The team IS better today (because of free agency and finally addressing obvious roster deficiencies), but this narrative that trading a 1OV for a player that the organization previously passed over in the draft is a signal of organizational acumen? From a pure asset management perspective, how is that in any way, logical?

Dominoiler

Johnny:
It’s early, but If this TEAM keeps winning, i am hoping Gmoney comes back to explain the effects of the “devastating loss” of Taylor Hall.

The reason the ‘trade supporters’ liked the deal was because it was about making the team better. Balls not to be scared of optically losing a trade.

And yes, it was Larssen AND Lucic for Hall. Cap world folks.

A new day. That win was huge. As big or bigger than beating CGY.

I could be mistaken, lots of verbal has been shed over the hall Larsson deal, but i don’t remember you taking a prominent slot in thunderdome battles to the death, so maybe turn down your personal antagonism on the subject a wee bit?!.. but maybe saying the same thing, I’m also looking forward to how Larsson fairs under the scrutiny of the ol eye test (good so far, imo) and the analytics (HDSC% making a push).. anyways, grain of salt if i made the wrong read..

GMB3

I only caught glimpses of the game, had class last night. How did Pitlick and Slepy look last night? They were left off the CoH player grades.

Ca$h-McMoney!

John Chambers,

frjohnk,

Ok. I understand the ELC component.

What I’m wondering is the UFA component. If Bennet hadn’t played in the playoffs, but had been on the roster more than 40 games, would his 3 year ELC slide but his UFA countdown start? Can you hit the 40 threshold but not hit the 9 threshold?

leadfarmer

I still find it funny that Phlegms fans thought they solved their goaltending issues with Elliott. That team is going to eat goalies alive.

And please stop paying attention to Russell’s corsi. Guys that block that many shots sewer their and their linemates Corsi. He is what I told you he was. A guy that is a capable one year stop gap at second D and someone that if we were ok with 30 mil contract for Demers, we will be very happy with a 3 mil contract for I do hope Chia doesnt back a dump truck of money into Russells house. He is playing with a #1 Turd polisher but I would be cool with a 3mil per contract extention

Ca$h-McMoney!

Bag of Pucks,

YEah. That’s basically the same as saying RNH for Larsson would have been better than Hall for Larsson.

You’re probably right, but at the same time something to be said for C depth. If we trade RNH for Larsson instead of Hall for Larsson we probably sign Backes instead of Lucic.

leadfarmer

Its funny seeing people come out of the woodworks in support of the Russell signing and the Larsson trade. I’m pretty sure the days those happened I was on an island all by myself.

selivanov11

Looks like all those moral victories from the past few years are really starting to pay off.

Dominoiler

For me, a big big big story line from last night was nail’s near miss.. if he scores on that mcDavid esque burst of speed / deke, then we would all be talking about him today.. post, hockey gods did us a favour, snuck out of that game wo managements nuts in the vice and without the oilogosphere / twitter nexus imploding..

Nice to see him w some jump.. but that offside in the last minute didn’t help his team, so still needs to wander the desert a bit longer.. rooting for him..

kinger_OIL

Bag of Pucks,

– I love this discussion/debate! Should Larsson be an effective #1RD, does Chia and the organization not get credit for pulling the trade, based on what they saw in Larsson?

– Or is it just: Hall > Larsson, therefore bad trade?

– Larsson is 30% salary savings on Hall: That’s a consideration when evaluating the trade

leadfarmer

Oh yeah and Larsson is just about to turn 24 and Klefbom just turned 23. Those guy will still get better and they are locked in for a lower price than one PK Subban. WOOOT. McDavid WOOOOT. Victory over blues with a goalie who just had twins. WOOOOT!!!!.

falls off chair.

WOOOT!!! from the floor

Bag of Pucks

Ca$h-McMoney!:
Bag of Pucks,

YEah.That’s basically the same as saying RNH for Larsson would have been better than Hall for Larsson.

You’re probably right, but at the same time something to be said for C depth.If we trade RNH for Larsson instead of Hall for Larsson we probably sign Backes instead of Lucic.

There is something to be said for C depth, but at this moment in time, Hall is the more valuable player (as evidenced by his market value). Chiarelli couldn’t trade RNH for Seth Jones but he could trade Hall for Larsson and the verbal was Hall was the only player (outside McDavid of course) that Shero would accept as return.

Nuge, could still end up being a better player than Hall and/or Larsson. Can’t see it myself. But right now, at this point in time, Larsson clearly has more value based on the fact RNH wasn’t considered as adequate return for him in trade.

vinotintazo

leadfarmer:
Its funny seeing people come out of the woodworks in support of the Russell signing and the Larsson trade.I’m pretty sure the days those happened I was on an island all by myself.

Hall trade I was shocked, just wished the return was a bit better.
I liked the Russell Singing hes an actuall top 4 D, you can never have enough of those.

Depth at D has killed this team in the past.

admiralmark

I got a few things to get off my mind.
1) I am eating Russell Crow right now. I hope that continues even with a little regression,
2) Last nights game was the most heartening game ive seen from the Oilers in a long time. I’ve seen them win games against this type of opponent but its always been purely because our goalie stood on his head. This game we needed great goal tending but I saw a team that had push back. They were far less scrambly as a defensive unit then i saw in the past. They do appear to be equipped to handle any type of game so far.
3) Loved Sleppyshev’s crosscheck to the player flying into hit him. Ala Anderson. McDavid might have to learn this move.
4) Larsson/Klef are a godsend.. Please , please stay healthy or this whole thing can come crashing down.
5) I feel this team is 3 solid pieces away from being a strong playoff team. a 2nd line RW(cant wait for Puljujarvi), a 2nd pair RHD with PP acumen, and another backup goalie(maybe Broissoit already has the stuff?).
6) It’s a great day to be an Oiler fan.. Plenty of positives in last nights game.

speeds

Ca$h-McMoney!:
Total sidebar question for the folks who know the CBA:

I understand that the 9 game mark allows an ELC to slide to next year.

I understand the 40 game mark allows UFA elligibility to slide to next year.

That said….

I believe the 9 game mark is an “actual games played” mark, whereas the 40 game mark is a “games on the roster” mark.My understanding is that a player that is a scratch or that is injured continues to acrue games towards this mark.I may be wrong here.

If I’m not wrong, how does that impact a guy like Sam Bennet, who was on the roster for more than 40 games but played fewer than 9 in his first season?Does the ELC slide but he’s a UFA 1 year sooner?

I don’t recall the specifics with Bennett, what was the timeline like? Perhaps he was declared “Injured Non-Roster”, like Caggiula was for the Oilers?

jm363561

dustrock:
When people ponder what the value of Larsson is exactly (and some very intelligent friends of mine in my hockey pool were saying this last night), I really like G Money’s shot chart from last night

http://i.imgur.com/3WUicsb.png

https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2016/10/20/g5-2016-10-20-oilers-have-some-cordon-blues-for-dinner/

That’s against Tarasenko.That’s why we traded Hall for him.He wasn’t getting a sniff.

The other thing I’ll say is that this was a pretty composed and mature game by the Oilers; in other years, the effort perhaps would be there, but they’d try to run and gun, or there would be a terrible mistake or two, and the Blues would capitalize on them, and that’s all she wrote.

Lucic said they can respect the Blues but not be afraid of them, and I think we saw that last night.

Not having Backes helps though

And Larsson’s 2 minutes for the elbow to Tarasenko, well worth it.

I saw the chart described as proof of the “bulletproofness” of the Volvos. Hope they are as reliable.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

Hockey is a team game. Hindsight is a wonderful attribute but aside from NYCOil/GentlemanBackpacker who was stumping for Larsson hard a few years ago, I don’t know how Tambo would have justified Larsson over RNH at that draft. I know we’ve had many discussions about draft BPA vs for need and it sounds like statistically speaking BPA is the better choice. RNH also provides cover for Drai and CMD at this moment to take on the <3rd liners. One day I feel Nugey will be on his way (hopefully after tasting success here) but he's incredibly valuable to the team right now even without posting incredibly crooked numbers (though that will come).

Look the Hall trade is what it is but in the end if the Oilers win hockey games, turn North and push for the playoffs I won't be sad. Maybe in the summer when I'm bored and have had a few wobbly pops I'll lament how I wished "Hall could have been here" but probably not. I like the player but my fandom for the Oilers as a team is non-negotiable, if the team wins we all win.

speeds
Nate780

Bag of Pucks,

Oilers could win the cup this year and you’d be the guy saying “if they still had Hall they would have won the presidents trophy too”

Doesn’t matter if we lost the trade, Chia seen the big picture, which was Lucic to replace Hall meaning he could afford to trade him for Larsson.

and did you really just what if about Drafting Larsson instead of Nuge acting like we 100% would still have McDavid and Puljarjvi?

He’s in year 2 of this rebuild, the team is much better, and heading in the right direction. Pretty impressive what he has done in a very short period of time, considering the first year was used for analyzing what he had.

Later Hall, was a big fan of yours, not missing you yet.

There’s a reason why he’s a GM and you’re not, he’s only worried about improving the team, you’re only worried about winning trades.

Lucic + Larsson > Hall all day everyday, and he absolutely is included in the trade, that’s the only way it works.

Klam

Oilers playing good, but….

I do not like Russell. Watch his zone exits during a game and while he does a really good job of quick feet, blocking shots, and retrieval of pucks, he throws the puck up the boards all the time and the other team collects, resets and is back in the zone again.

Now the zone is cleared, and that is a great first step but that first pass that is so important in todays NHL is not here. Hope they do not sign him long-term as I hope we have better options coming up the pipeline, or better options in a trade or free agency.

Side

Suggesting that the Oilers should have drafted Larsson instead of Nuge is bizarre. From what I recall, the Oilers desperately needed a #1 C at the time and Nuge was clearly the #1 choice.

Johnny

The reason no bold moves ever took place, was because of ‘asset management’. We have been ‘asset managing’ ourselves into last place finishes for years.

Chiarelli took the assets at his disposal and used them to try to build a winning hockey team. That’s it.

Here’s hoping the winning continues, and that we don’t see the “devastating loss of Taylor Hall” effect, that our elitist friend so elegantly termed, an time soon.

Pechetr

Bag of Pucks,

And we wouldn’t have McDavid.

Oilspill

BUT … it is the farm and getting 6 shots is a lot harder to get up here. Translation is minimal at best. Remember shots is like corsi. Doesn’t tell you much.

Ducey:
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kinger_OIL:
Bag of Pucks,

– I love this discussion/debate!Should Larsson be an effective#1RD, does Chia and the organization not get credit for pulling the trade, based on what they saw in Larsson?

– Or is it just: Hall > Larsson, therefore bad trade?

–Larsson is 30% salary savings on Hall: That’s a consideration when evaluating the trade

It can be both. Acquiring Larsson can be an astute move because it plugged a clear roster need. It can also be poor asset management because it’s selling an asset for less than its optimal theoretical value.

Say Nuge was on another team. Would you trade Hall for him? If so, you’re probably ok with this.

If your answer to that hypothetical is no, you can see why it might have been preferable asset wise to simply draft Larsson instead of RNH.

Spengler

Bag of Pucks,

I am not going to disagree with you at all regarding the points you made. It really is poor asset management.

The question I have, and I am in no way suggesting an answer by asking it, is whether is strict asset management is the best way to build a hockey team. You wouldn’t make certain moves that teams do if you were running a company but they often are exactly what is needed to run a team.

New Improved Darkness

Nice cherry in the Bake for Sallinen. He gets a souvenir puck and a souvenir scalphelmet from the other squad.

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After the game, Grifter has his right arm upstretched, gripping his trophy by the chin straps and shaking it about like a surprised terrier attempting to kill a pair of pint-sized pliable-pepperoni pythons at the same time[*].

“Listen up everyone, anyone else still on the schneid, there’s more where this came from!”.

Grifter tosses the rattled artifact to Sallinen.

“Hey—rook—if you’re going to defer taxidermy to the off-season, a quick swish in iodophor will keep it in fair condition—but keep the contact time brief or it will turn orange, and people will think you nicked it from Pool Party’s signup swag—or worse.”

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[*] If our intrepid terrier wasn’t so busy—between expeditions—dry humping the nodding noggin of the aging, pot-bellied spaniel next door—had he forearmed himself with the shocking truth—he might no have been quite so surprised to surface with a writhing mouthful of garter twine.

Garter snakes have complex systems of pheromonal communication. Male and female skin pheromones are so different as to be immediately distinguishable. However, male garter snakes sometimes produce both male and female pheromones. During the mating season, this ability fools other males into attempting to mate with them. This causes the transfer of heat to them in kleptothermy, which is an advantage immediately after hibernation, allowing them to become more active.

So there it is, everyone. Beware the hulking orange supervillain, Cold Finger.