GOOD TIMING

by Lowetide

Right on cue, Jesse Puljujarvi delivered a very strong performance last night on the second (and third) line. We discussed his AHL boxcars (11gp, 2-5-7 going in) before the game as a possible concern, and then framed those numbers around his AHL centers (Josh Currie, Jere Sallinen) being less helpful than the newly available Anton Lander. After going 1-1-2 against the San Diego Gulls last night, the Finn is now 12gp, 3-6-9 (NHLE: 82gp, 11-22-33) and closer to our established line in the sand (point per game). It is important to see progress for JP, if not for a recall to Edmonton later this year, then for opening night 2017-18.

Puljujarvi played just the power play with Lander, but they combined on the second goal (sweet pass from JP to Lander, with Taylor Beck getting an assist as well). I think we eventually see the rookie on a line with Lander, Puljujarvi is easily one of the best Condors, but needs skill players alongside.

A potentially important development took place during the first 50 games of the 2016-17 season. The Edmonton Oilers, who have been searching for a responsible veteran who could post some offense for the bottom 6F, saw Mark Letestu come into his own in the role on the fourth line. This could be big, and may mean youngsters like Jujhar Khaira, Anton Slepyshev and others will be eased into the everyday roster alongside the veteran. If Letestu can do that, and maintain his impressive offense, the Oilers will have found their Pisani.

MARK LETESTU

Letestu has played mostly with Zack Kassian and Matt Hendricks, and his possession number is around 49 percent with the veterans (and Anton Lander). He boasts a 5×5/60 of over 1.50 and a 5×4/60 of 3.37 (including four goals). He has 3 EV, 5 PP and 2 PK goals this season. He could use a little help, and I would like to see him in the mentor role more often—that Pisani role is important. He is nine points ahead of my projection at this time. Impressive.

ZACK KASSIAN

Kassian has been highly productive at a position that needed some inside solutions. After trading away Nail Yakupov and (eventually) sending down Jesse Puljujarvi, the Oilers had only Jordan Eberle, center-turned-wing Leon Draisaitl and Kassian at the NHL level. Kassian still plays 12 minutes a night, but they have been mostly effective. I projected him to be at 12 points, so his number is in the range of expectation.

TYLER PITLICK

This blog lit over 1,000 candles for this player to establish himself, and he made it! He delivered quality performances, and shot the puck a lot—something Edmonton needs from the RW very badly. Pitlick led the team this year (or leads) with 10.69 shots per 60 minutes at 5×5. A damn shame he was injured, and that allows him a window for free agency. Hope they sign him.

DRAKE CAGGIULA

Caggiula has lasted longer than I thought he would, and that may because of guarantees in his contract. I like his speed, and he has a good shot. He is a small player, but not shy—in fact, for me he is very aggressive in the offensive end of the ice. None of his fancy stats (5×5/60) or adding numbers (faceoffs) shines, but he has speed, is a rugged player, and has skill. I would like to see him for 20 games on the wing, with a veteran center. Might get my wish straight ahead. The Oilers have nursed him through the year, I wonder if he would have benefited by ripping up the AHL.

ANTON SLEPYSHEV

Another good story among rookie forwards is the Russian Anton Slepyshev. We may look back on this period as the time when a quality winger emerged as a real answer. As soon as Todd McLellan arrived, he seemed to take a liking to Slepyshev’s skill set, and there has been steady progression since. Around three shot attempts per game, 8.4/60 shots per 60 at 5×5—both good indicators. Miles to go, but along with Jujhar Khaira and Pitlick, there were some nice arrows from farmhands upon arrival this season. You know who saw this fellow from miles away? Corey Pronman.

ANTON LANDER

The RE missed his games by a lot (unless he plays the balance of the season) and I think Jujhar Khaira is going to grab that 4L job next season. Still, he can fill multiple roles and perhaps the Oilers keep him as 14F next year. If I were Vegas, this is a guy who might tweak my interest. Phone PC, agree to draft Lander in exchange for a sweetener. Lander can win faceoffs, kill penalties, step up as needed, and clear waivers too. All of that has value.

MATT HENDRICKS

The first rugged role player I followed through the end was a man named Dallas Smith. He was a tough defender for the Boston Bruins, spent several years with Bobby Orr as his partner. In 1970-71, when Orr finished a +124, Smith went +94 as his partner. You might think we talked about it all summer, but plus minus did not arrive as a public statistic until about 1975 (this is from memory). Smith was as reliable as the black lab of my youth, the dog and Smith fading away together as I grew up and spent less time at home. I never forgot the dog, or Smith, and think of both from time to time.

JUJHAR KHAIRA

He looks NHL-ready, and it is a shame we didn’t get to see him. His future is not promised to us, as Khaira (unlike Slepyshev) is eligible for the expansion draft. I think there is a chance we see a LW depth chart of Milan Lucic, Patrick Maroon, Benoit Pouliot and Jujhar Khaira. Expensive as hell, but that won’t be Khaira’s fault. I am anxious to see him score enough to stay in the NHL as a depth player.

TAYLOR BECK

The fact Beck hasn’t played much should not disguise the fact that this was a reasonable bet. If Pitlick and Slepyshev had been unable to deliver, Beck would have played far more this season. And there are still 27 games to come. He hasn’t gotten much of a look in his games.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

  • RC Mark Letestu—He has another year on his contract and may be under consideration for protection from expansion. Ideally, you would have him as 4C and second PP, but he can help in all three disciplines. The Oilers need a foundation veteran for these young forwards who will be coming up, from Jujhar Khaira next season through Tyler Benson in 2018 or 2019 fall, and beyond. At 32, he may be helpful over the next couple of years.
  • R Zack Kassian—He is RFA at the end of this season, I hope the Oilers sign him. He is a solid option as 4R and he can scoot and play multiple roles. A very nice find, he can move up the depth chart from time to time.
  • R Tyler Pitlick—Ironically, his injury may give him a window to jump through on the way to UFA status this summer. Despite the injury history, I hope he signs with the Oilers. If I am LV, this is a guy I go after in free agency—and that might be too tempting for the player to pass on.
  • C Drake Caggiula—Chiarelli’s Bruins did employ smaller players, but they had to play a balls out style. Caggiula is such a forward, and the only real question is offense. This shouldn’t be viewed as a major negative, most prospects suffer from the same question mark upon entry into the NHL. He will get another full season to show his abilities.
  • R Anton Slepyshev—Our minds often lose the battle with our hearts over these young players. If you scan this group and pick one, maybe two men who will succeed in a real way, that is probably right in terms of how this will go. Slepyshev has done more to improve his chances than anyone this year. Seriously.
  • C Anton Lander—It’s the speed, stupid. Lander has good hands in the AHL, given enough time on a skill line he would no doubt cash enough to post 40-point seasons on a top line. That is an expansion team, he is Hartland Monahan. Nothing wrong with that, but on a contender he is 14F. A good one, mind you, and I hope he stays.
  • L Matt Hendricks—No one should ever ask if he had more to give.
  • L Jujhar Khaira—For me, the injury has merely delayed the inevitable: He is an NHL player. The expansion draft is a worry, I would protect him even if it meant exposing a veteran forward. I like him a lot.
  • R Taylor Beck—If he is open to the idea, signing Beck for the same role next season makes a lot of sense. RW is likely to have some major turnover, with Jesse Puljujarvi and Zack Kassian perhaps the only sure things. He might emerge from a mix that could include Anton Slepyshev, Tyler Pitlick, Iiro Pakarinen and others.

PARSING WORDS, VOLUME 4000

  • Elliotte Friedman: When it comes to Edmonton and the trade deadline, remember the club could have some serious bonus overages affect the salary cap for next season. GM Peter Chiarelli will be conservative if he can’t move out a big salary. Source

This is the confirmation I think we needed in terms of Jordan Eberle. He has been on the TSN trade watch list for a couple of weeks, and for me it was a summer move. However, not being able to move Benoit Pouliot (or Mark Fayne) probably means Eberle is next up on the way to cost certainty. Where might he go? Well, we should look for a team who needs a scoring RW, and a team with a center-right wing who can shoot the puck, is under control, and can play with Connor McDavid. Any ideas?

PARSING WORDS, VOLUME 4001

  • Elliotte Friedman: Finally on the Avalanche, there’s a certain logic that they are one of the teams taking a run at Edmonton’s Brandon Davidson. Davidson, a great story who’s carved out a nice niche, is not someone the Oilers want to trade, but someone they may be forced to move. First, it will be tough to protect him in the expansion draft. Second, he’s going to be due a raise, but so are Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl. The Oilers also want to keep Kris Russell. You can’t keep everyone, so the Oilers are being proactive. Davidson will help someone. Source

Joe Colborne has been mentioned on this blog previously, Jarome Iginla is certainly in play. I don’t consider either player to represent equal value with Davidson and his contract, but as I said yesterday, seems to me the return on a Brandon Davidson trade will be disappointing. Why? As good as he is, Davidson is not yet an established NHL player, and injury concerns impact his value. You may say well then don’t trade him, but the fact we are talking about it suggests that some teams are calling. Doesn’t mean Edmonton is interested, but the smoke-fire story has a long and successful history.

I would trade Brandon Davidson, but not for Jarome Iginla. Perhaps the Oilers can package Davidson and something else to the Avalanche and get a more suitable return.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun Wednesday show, beginning at 10 on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. The off week, Brandon Davidson, what do the Oilers need to add, expansion draft.
  • Ryan Holt, Condors PBP. Excellent play-by-play man called an interesting game last night. We will check in on Jesse Puljujarvi and the rest of the farmhands.
  • Derek Taylor, TSN. CFL free agency, rumblings out of Toronto, CFL schedule looks good for all but Ottawa.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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vinotintazo

commonfan14: Why wait for Draft day?

so…no other players have to be protected.

commonfan29

vinotintazo: Dream scenario:
we go 4-4-1, las vegas takes a foward.
We trade Davidson + 2017 1st + (Bear or Jones or Benson) to Winnipeg for Trouba on Draft day.
One can dream.

Why wait for Draft day?

Woodguy v2.0: WPG and DAL both need to win 6 more games than LAK over the next ~32 games or so.
Next to impossible.

OilSafety

Klima’s_Bucket:
LT says:

“Eberle is next up on the way to cost certainty. Where might he go? Well, we should look for a team who needs a scoring RW, and a team with a center-right wing who can shoot the puck, is under control, and can play with Connor McDavid. Any ideas?”

Florida could use a scoring RW.
Jagr isn’t going to play forever…or is he?

Florida has an underachieving Bjugstad capable of playing C/W and likes to shoot the puck.
He’s 6’6″.
Florida also has an abundance of Right shot D and a shortage on the left.

Perhaps a deal between the two could work.

Something like:

Eberle & Davidson
FOR
Bjugstad & Pysyk ++

Helps free up cap space for Edmonton and gets the Cats a scoring winger.
Helps both teams fix their handedness on D.

Bjugstad even shoots right.

vinotintazo

Dream scenario:

we go 4-4-1, las vegas takes a foward.

We trade Davidson + 2017 1st + (Bear or Jones or Benson) to Winnipeg for Trouba on Draft day.

One can dream.

hunter1909

hunter1909: “Come to Vegas and see Ice in the desert”

“There is more going on in Las Vegas than putting ice in your alcoholic drink”

hunter1909

Woogie63: I get that …

My question is more around the ticket prices … obviously your ROI is quicker on a full house of $175 tickets than a full house of $50 tickets …. what is the pricing that gets you to the full house?In Winnipeg you will get +$175 a ticket but Arizona you can’t get +$50 a ticket.

My Vegas business life being even less than my Ltd one…

Maybe they do packages. “Come to Vegas and see Ice in the desert” lol

Clay

npanciroli:
dustrock,

Yeah Russell signing is still a nightmare to me.

The truly “because Oilers” transaction will go something like this: Chia trades Davidson for less than full value because he can’t protect him, and because the plan is to sign Russell after the expansion draft. The expansion draft happens, and Russell decides instead to sign with Calgary.

Book it.

Ducey

stevezie:
Ducey,

“Don’t take Davidson or I’m signing the boy to Siberia. Don’t fuck with me, George.”

Or, “You know George I am just projecting forward a few years. I really like how your son is developing. Good kid. Good character. You did well. I could see him playing LW with McDavid ,.. unless my defense is weak. Then I likely need a vet up there and Graham might get broken in on the 4th line with Lander. It all depends upon my ability to keep a good core of cost controlled Dmen. Guys like Davidson. You understand what I am saying, George?”

oilswell

closer to our established line in the sand (point per game). It is important to see progress for JP, if not for a recall to Edmonton later this

How established is this line in the sand, really?

Vic’s original line was point per game as a 20 year old, not as an 18 year old. Quanthockey lists 18yo AHL players and there weren’t a lot of them that played 20 games (which is a common threshold for computing the NHLE numbers).

Of the few players on that list that have made it so far, Pastrnak was at 1.12, and William Nylander at 0.86 and he trails both.

This said, yeah the production is worrying to me for a #4.

Klima's_Bucket

LT says:

“Eberle is next up on the way to cost certainty. Where might he go? Well, we should look for a team who needs a scoring RW, and a team with a center-right wing who can shoot the puck, is under control, and can play with Connor McDavid. Any ideas?”

Florida could use a scoring RW.
Jagr isn’t going to play forever…or is he?

Florida has an underachieving Bjugstad capable of playing C/W and likes to shoot the puck.
He’s 6’6″.
Florida also has an abundance of Right shot D and a shortage on the left.

Perhaps a deal between the two could work.

Something like:

Eberle & Davidson
FOR
Bjugstad & Pysyk ++

Helps free up cap space for Edmonton and gets the Cats a scoring winger.
Helps both teams fix their handedness on D.

Woogie63

hunter1909: Just because you spend a lot of money in business doesn’t necessarily translate into a balanced balance sheet. Quite the opposite in my Ltd experience.

I get that …

My question is more around the ticket prices … obviously your ROI is quicker on a full house of $175 tickets than a full house of $50 tickets …. what is the pricing that gets you to the full house? In Winnipeg you will get +$175 a ticket but Arizona you can’t get +$50 a ticket.

stevezie

Ducey,

“Don’t take Davidson or I’m signing the boy to Siberia. Don’t fuck with me, George.”

Ducey

We have forgotten Chia’s trump (little t not big T) card with LV:

2016 5th round pick Graham McPhee.

stevezie

The thing about Davidson is he is behind Nurse, Klef, and Sekera on the team. And, apparently, for whatever reason, Russell.

I think he should be higher. However, if that’s how we’re going to play him, it makes sense to at least explore his value. He could easily be worth more the the Avalanche than he is to us.

Woodguy v2.0

Ducey: I don’t think wistfully means what you think it means.

Well done

JD_Wry

jonrmcleod: Fleming

Fleming also mentioned on Stauffer’s show how Gusto has shown up with a positive attitude, has worked hard, and has been a good team mate since his demotion.

So for all the bad things written about him lately, it’s good that he’s accepted his role and is not being a distraction to the team.

judgedrude

Question for LT (or somebody else) regarding NHLe values.

These are values for players coming out of a league and into the NHL, and LT has shown in the past that there are age variations, particularly for AHL players. For instance, a 1 ppg 20 year old will perform better than a 27 year old.

That said, how good are the statistics on an 18 year old, such as our good Finn. Most comparable players would stay in Europe, the CHL, or go to college. I’m concerned that the AHL Draft +1 number would not be sufficiently accurate because of a lack of prior players as comparables.

Woodguy v2.0

slopitch:
Woodguy v2.0,

Tampa is gonna sneak there way in there and win the lottery. Unreal. They were supposed to be a cup favourite.

Also, NYI back in the mix. They could surprise.

They only have 2 good Dmen and no goalie this year.

Crazy how fast things change.

hunter1909

Woogie63: I can’t see the Golden Knights wanting to be the cheapest ticket on that town. If you paid $500M, I think you believe you have a premium brand.

Just because you spend a lot of money in business doesn’t necessarily translate into a balanced balance sheet. Quite the opposite in my Ltd experience.

treevojo

vinotintazo,

Yes it would

Dustin brown + 2017 and 2018 1st Rd picks

Do you pull the trigger if u r McPhee?

Does Lombardi?

vinotintazo

treevojo:
Benoit pouliot
Mark fayne
Andrew McDonald
Dustin brown
Marion gaborik
Johan franzen
Simon derpres
Jason garrison
Carl sederberg
Matt moulson
Tyler ennis
Keri lehetonan
Anti niemmi
Matt beleskey
Nick bjugstad

These are some of the players without nmc’s that i would think have negative value that Vegas could take on in the expansion draft with add ins by the teams that would like to get rid of them.

Vegas could get quite a few 1st Rd draft picks to take on some of these guys I would think.

It will have to be one hell of a package for LV to take contracts that no-one wants (Negative Values). at most teams only take 1 of these. You can only have so many bad contracts.

treevojo

Benoit pouliot
Mark fayne
Andrew McDonald
Dustin brown
Marion gaborik
Johan franzen
Simon derpres
Jason garrison
Carl sederberg
Matt moulson
Tyler ennis
Keri lehetonan
Anti niemmi
Matt beleskey
Nick bjugstad

These are some of the players without nmc’s that i would think have negative value that Vegas could take on in the expansion draft with add ins by the teams that would like to get rid of them.

Vegas could get quite a few 1st Rd draft picks to take on some of these guys I would think.

godot10

What I don’t get is why trade Davidson at the deadline.

Nurse still isn’t healthy and depending on severity he may not be back up to expected levels this year.

If Davidson is a part of the starting six during the playoffs and plays well wouldn’t his value be higher to the same teams that would want to protect him from expansion.

I would prefer keeping all our d available for the playoffs. Depth could be huge. Find a shot first right winger and call it a day for the deadline.

Davidson has MORE trade value after the expansion draft, and after some playoff experience. Go 4-4-1. Teams losing a D in the expansion draft will be looking for a cheap replacement.

There is really no scenario, other than some GM losing their mind and making a overpay, that is better than protecting Davidson in the expansion draft. Protecting Davidson also gives leverage in negotiating with Russell.

Woogie63

Ca$h-McMoney!: Won’t be a sellout every game, but I expect good sales.

I don’t think it will be a Toronto/Edmonton/Montreal level market, but I also think it will be a whole lot better than the Carolina’s and Florida’s of the league.

That said I still see this owner as being a guy that wants to make a mark, and make it quickly.Bringing in a HOF caliber guy to be his teams first captain would be an interesting move.Something like the Sundin to Vancouver play.

Thornton, Marleau, Sharp, Datsyuk (if he’ll come), Iginla are all UFA.Some are better than others but I could see a one year overpayment being a good bet for this franchise.

***I recognize those guys aren’t all HOF caliber

Ticket prices for the Golden Nights is going to be interesting and good show runs $120 – $150. Hockey in lots of southern hockey markets price tickets under $50.

I can’t see the Golden Knights wanting to be the cheapest ticket on that town. If you paid $500M, I think you believe you have a premium brand.

jonrmcleod

From an article on the Oilers’ website:

After noticing their relationship off the ice, Fleming decided to form an all-Finnish line in Puljujarvi, Sallinen and Pakarinen. The troupe enjoys skating together and have an arsenal of weapons at their disposal to help them ‘Finnish.’

Elite pun.

Also, this:

“He’s come down here with a good attitude,” said Condors Head Coach Gerry Fleming, who’s been utilizing Puljujarvi as a certified top six player and aims at getting him 18 to 22 minutes of ice time a night. “He’s getting a lot of scoring chances but we’re trying to really get him to focus on his play away from the puck and we’re seeing improvements in that. It’s something that we’ve been focusing on more: stops and starts in his game and he’s really conscious of it.”

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/future-watch-puljujarvi-coming-along/c-286558904

godot10

dustrock: I’m not sure Lazar has any upside whatsoever.

Regarding Tampa Bay, reminds me of years ago in the NBA, the Spurs lost David Robinson to season-ending injury and were just horrible.

They drafted Tim Duncan.And dominated the league for years.

Thankfully Patrick doesn’t seem to be a McDavid/Matthews type.

Tampa is probably eyeing Timothy Liljegren if they draft high, who would be the right shot D they are missing.

Jeremy

adamjames,

At least you have a cool story, I have “I talked to someone, who talked to someone who is a relative of…”

John Chambers

RexLibris,

Ha. So you did.

If you’re Peter Chiarelli you probably sit back and let Davy or Reinhart get taken, and then offer a 1st + Fayne or Pouliot for Josh Manson or Ryan Pulock at the draft.

Basically exchange Davy for a young RHD at the cost of a 21 OV pick.

I foresee a lot of teams making side deals with McPhee to trade for guys he’s picked up in the expansion draft. We are going to see A LOT of player movement in late June.

Jeremy

Primetime,

I haven’t seen him play, I live in Niagara so I may have to make it to an Ice Dogs game now that there is a possible Oilers connection. He has put up some points this season (doubled his previous career high already) but as a 20yr old he should be dominating. If I make it to a game I will watch him closely and report back.

adamjames

Jeremy,

I once played the part of insider too. This all takes place in the days following Chiarelli’s dismissal in Boston. My youngest brother was in his grade 12 math class when his teacher pulled him and his hockey team buddies aside.

The teacher tells them his nephew works at an airplane hangar somewhere in BC (do not recall exact location) . The private jet they were prepping for the runway was a Katz owned plane.

The guy working at the hangar notices Katz waiting to board. He strikes up a convseration with King Darryl and asks him where they’re headed. He replied “Boston to pick up our new GM”

And the rest is history. For the price of a contract, i don’t see a downside. Hope it happens.

RexLibris

John Chambers: Hey Rex!

You’re absolutely correct – George McPhee will have a lot of 4-5 defensemen on RFA contracts to choose from.

But I don’t think LV is necessarily limited to selecting 7 or 8 of them. In his shoes I would stockpile a surplus of defensemen, and then trade some of those players for scorers or draft picks.

I picked 10 D the first go around.

John Chambers

treevojo:
Speaking of bad contracts what will LA have to attach to Brown or Gaborik to get Vegas to take one of those players in expansion

The most attractive assets to LV are 1st round picks. If Lombardi and Gorton offered first round picks they could likely get McPhee to select Brown and Girardi*.

*NMCs notwithstanding

RexLibris

Ducey: I would expect a good chunk of attendance will come from tourists. They had 42 million of them last year. Almost all are coming to spend big money on entertainment.

Probably worth noting that there will be times when it will be necessary to differentiate between tickets sold and attendance. They can have every liquor store in town give them away (ARZ gave tickets away when you bought a bottle of Smirnoff one season – I think it was medically justified) and have only 2000 people show up, so long as they have some sort of revenue stream coming back from them.

russ99

This post along with McCurdy’s post yesterday about Davidson makes me ponder next year:

Do we really want kids doing heavy lifting in a compete for the cup year?

I’m happy with Davidson, Benning, Nurse and Oesterle as well as Puljujarvi, Pitlick, Slepyshev, Khaira and Caggiula at this point in their respective development curve, but if we want to chase a cup next year, don’t we need more veterans to shore up the bottom lines and pairings, not less?

And would 7-9 of these younger players on an 18 man roster be too many? Not to mention that none are assured a solid, reasonably healthy season, except probably Benning?

Especially considering you can find some guys who can really cheap in the last half of free agency?

And also considering some of the veteran forwards we’re keeping have not been real effective numbers wise or in leading by example?

Ca$h-McMoney!

Ducey,

For sure.

I live in Lethbridge and my in-laws have a condo about 5 minutes from the stadium. I’ll catch an Oilers game there before I ever catch one at Rogers place, that’s for sure. I’m not alone in that sentiment.

They should get good crowds but I doubt they get great crowds. Lots of tourists, sure, but lots of competition for time and dollars too.

John Chambers

RexLibris: While I grant you I’m conducting a mock draft online, and therefore the results are going to be sloppy, I found the following D men were, all things being equal, available:

Brodin
Emelin
McNabb
Schenn
Petrovic
Edmundson
Koekkoek
Pulock
Manson
Dumoulin

I don’t think all those names will necessarily be available, but if 7 of the 10 are, Davidson is still further down the list.

Also, I think McPhee will add players to give his team a respectable beginning but will acknowledge that having a surplus of available UFAs to sell off at the deadline next year or the year after could also really benefit his organization if he can move them for picks or prospects at the deadline.

He could stock through the draft or move those picks to teams facing a cap crunch *coughChicagocough* for cap relief.

Hey Rex!

You’re absolutely correct – George McPhee will have a lot of 4-5 defensemen on RFA contracts to choose from.

But I don’t think LV is necessarily limited to selecting 7 or 8 of them. In his shoes I would stockpile a surplus of defensemen, and then trade some of those players for scorers or draft picks.

Ca$h-McMoney!

Shane:
Ca$h-McMoney!,

Do you think that Vegas will have a hard time selling tickets? I just assume all the casinos will buy the season tickets to comp to their high rollers. Could be a sellout every game

Won’t be a sellout every game, but I expect good sales.

I don’t think it will be a Toronto/Edmonton/Montreal level market, but I also think it will be a whole lot better than the Carolina’s and Florida’s of the league.

That said I still see this owner as being a guy that wants to make a mark, and make it quickly. Bringing in a HOF caliber guy to be his teams first captain would be an interesting move. Something like the Sundin to Vancouver play.

Thornton, Marleau, Sharp, Datsyuk (if he’ll come), Iginla are all UFA. Some are better than others but I could see a one year overpayment being a good bet for this franchise.

*** I recognize those guys aren’t all HOF caliber

RexLibris

treevojo:
RexLibris,

Doesn’t Bobby Ryan have a nmc?

He does. Plus a 10-team NTC.

Good heavens ANA was wise to get out from under that deal.

Good case study there about over-investing in wingers.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/johnny-gaudreau

Ducey

Woogie63: The sports climate in Las Vegas is interesting, the money for the football stadium is in jeopardy.Which would leave the Knights and UNLV as the only teams in town.

Loose survey this weekend of my Uber drivers, Blackjack Dealers, and cocktail waitresses suggest there is a lot of interest in the hockey team.However we had to get the Sportsbook in Treasure Island to put the Montreal/Oilers game on one of the 30 screens.

I would expect a good chunk of attendance will come from tourists. They had 42 million of them last year. Almost all are coming to spend big money on entertainment.

Ca$h-McMoney!

RexLibris:
Ca$h-McMoney!,

I finished at $60M, but this was my first run at it and I put very little stock in the results, more than anything I just wanted to see what names were likely to be floating around.

If PIT buys out Fleury, McPhee could make a bid on Bishop, Fleury or a host of pending UFA Gs. He could take three backups in the exp draft.

Yes, the forward group looks pretty iffy. I’ve heard Rick Nash’s name as a likely Vegas pickup. I wonder if OTT throws some draft chum in the water to get them to take Bobby Ryan (I doubt it if they are so far gone in player evaluation that they want a blue chip F prospect for Lazar).

Suffice to say, I think we may be overstating Davidson’s worth just a bit, but all the same wouldn’t be completely surprised if he was taken.

Yeah.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he was taken either. I’ll say he’s the best player (especially factoring in age/contract considerations) that we will expose.

I’m say rather there are two limiting factors to that:

1. We favour a statistical bent in this online community that does not align perfectly with the average NHL GM.
2. There is a reasonable chance that “Team Need” trumps “Best Player” in the expansion draft, just like it often does in the regular draft.

But yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was taken either.

treevojo

Speaking of bad contracts what will LA have to attach to Brown or Gaborik to get Vegas to take one of those players in expansion

kinger_OIL

RexLibris,

– Great post LT by the way! Got me thinking: so I looked up:

1) Sometime in playoffs determine draft order: Vegas could actually get the 1st over-all pick: “The expansion team is guaranteed the same odds in the draft lottery as third lowest finishing team”

2) Teams provide list of protected players by June 17th

3) Vegas granted a 48 hour window prior to the expansion draft to sign any pending free agent (RFA or UFA, one per team) that was left unprotected. If a team loses a player to Vegas during this signing window they will not have a player selected from their roster during this draft: Russel?

4) Expansion draft selections announced on June 21

5) NHL Draft June 23-24

6) FA July 1st

– Going back to #3, note that Vegas is able to sign any teams pending RFA/UFA. So there could be some interesting dealings prior to the expansion draft, and they could sign Rusell

– If the Oil want to sign Russell, they need to do so prior to expansion draft, and will therefore expose Davidson (or trade him prior).

– Now it makes sense to me

*LT You are going to be busy from June 17th untill day 2 of Free Agency: can’t wait to be logging in then 100’s of times…

Jethro Tull

dustrock: This is just absolute madness and would likely go down as one of the worst contracts in NHL history.

Not even close…..

New Improved Darkness

I just tried to fix a whitespace defect in my post, and got this message:

Your edited comment was marked as spam. If this is in error, please contact the admin.

My post shows in the thread (for me, anyway).

It would be tragic if my post was hell-banned for containing some tainted URL: more insanely devious word play per square inch than any post I can remember for a long time.

My own mouth was hanging open when the quadruple play served itself up on a platter.

You just can’t make this stuff up.

commonfan29

This needs highlighting:

Smith was as reliable as the black lab of my youth, the dog and Smith fading away together as I grew up and spent less time at home. I never forgot the dog, or Smith, and think of both from time to time.

Could you get prose like this in a section on a 4th line grinder from any other hockey blog?

If you have to ask the question…

treevojo

RexLibris,

Doesn’t Bobby Ryan have a nmc?

Woogie63

Ca$h-McMoney!: This is a big deal.

I’ve run the mock draft a couple of times.The reality here is that LV is going to have 3 NHL quality goaltenders, and probably 8 second pairing Dmen.That’s a good start for a hockey club.

THey are going to have a really tough time finding quality forwards.They may have virtually no forwards who can score 20 goals or 50 points.

There is a very real chance they take one of our forwards, not because they are better than the D we expose, but because they already have a bunch of D and need something up front.Maroon, Kassian, Letestu, Pitlick, Khaira, Pouliot, etc.

Side note:every time I run the draft I end up at or near the cap floor.If I’m the GM in LV I make Joe Thornton a heck of an offer.Maybe $10 million for 1 year.I’ve got the room and it will help put butts in seats.

The sports climate in Las Vegas is interesting, the money for the football stadium is in jeopardy. Which would leave the Knights and UNLV as the only teams in town.

Loose survey this weekend of my Uber drivers, Blackjack Dealers, and cocktail waitresses suggest there is a lot of interest in the hockey team. However we had to get the Sportsbook in Treasure Island to put the Montreal/Oilers game on one of the 30 screens.

RexLibris

kinger_OIL:
– What is the sequence of events this off season?Is it:

1) Draft lottery post-playoffs to determine order (does Vegas get a chance to win lottery?)
2) 2017 Draft near end of June
3) each team provides list of protected players
4) Vegas expansion draft after the NHL Draft, but before FA?
4) Free Agency July 1st (and Vegas gets to participate?)

– I’m just trying to figure out how much information each team has about their roster, and other rosters before Vegas starts picking players.

I don’t know about the lottery but the expansion draft takes place June 18 to 20, with announced results on the 21st.

The entry draft runs June 23 and 24.

Free agency July 1.

*edit (update) – In the 2017 draft lottery, the expansion Vegas Golden Knights will have the same odds of winning the lottery as the team that finishes with the third fewest points in the 2016–17 NHL season. Vegas will pick no lower than sixth overall in the first-round, and will select third in each subsequent round of this draft. (per wikipedia)

Primetime

Jeremy,

See BBF’s post above…looks like you’re right and he re-entered the draft.

Don’t know much about the player other than he’s big, right handed and put up some points.

Have you seen him play? Is there something there that the Rangers and every other team in the re-draft miss that we should be excited about (other than he’s big and RHD which is always exciting!)

RexLibris

Ca$h-McMoney!,

I finished at $60M, but this was my first run at it and I put very little stock in the results, more than anything I just wanted to see what names were likely to be floating around.

If PIT buys out Fleury, McPhee could make a bid on Bishop, Fleury or a host of pending UFA Gs. He could take three backups in the exp draft.

Yes, the forward group looks pretty iffy. I’ve heard Rick Nash’s name as a likely Vegas pickup. I wonder if OTT throws some draft chum in the water to get them to take Bobby Ryan (I doubt it if they are so far gone in player evaluation that they want a blue chip F prospect for Lazar).

Suffice to say, I think we may be overstating Davidson’s worth just a bit, but all the same wouldn’t be completely surprised if he was taken.