WINTERLONG

by Lowetide

He’s come a long way, and Leon Draisaitl may have another gear to show us as time rolls along. Last night, in a big game for the organization, the big man moved back to pivot and delivered a fine performance. The Edmonton Oilers have not secured a playoff spot, and I do not believe that players elevate their performance in big games. That said, we do place great importance on success under pressure, and Mr. Draisaitl surely added to his growing legend last night. Edmonton needed secondary scoring, and got it with the flip of a switch. Impressive.

BROKEN ARROW, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0, goal differential -7
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-2-0, goal differential +10
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2, goal differential -6
  • Oilers in November 2016: 5-8-2 goal differential -3
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1, goal differential -9
  • Oilers in December 2016: 7-2-5, goal differential +3
  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-5-2, goal differential -5
  • Oilers in January 2017: 9-4-1, goal differential +8
  • Oilers in February 2016: 3-8-2, goal differential -18
  • Oilers in February 2017: 2-3-0, goal differential -4
  • Oilers after 57, 2015-16: 22-29-6, goal differential -30
  • Oilers after 57, 2016-17: 30-19-8, goal differential +14

Oilers now have 68 points (18 more than a year ago), 30 wins (eight more than this time last season) and a reasonable cushion in the Pacific Division (nine points clear of fifth-place Calgary, eight points clear of Los Angeles).

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: Nashville, Carolina, Montreal (Expected: 1-1-1) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • At home to: Chicago, Arizona, Philadelphia (Expected: 1-1-1) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Chicago, Tampa Bay, Florida, Washington, Nashville, St. Louis (2-3-1)
  • Overall expected result: 4-5-3, 11 points in 12 games
  • Overall current results: 2-3-0, 4 points in 5 games

Things are now in the range with the expectation we all signed off on at the end of January. Edmonton needs to grab a point or two from the Philadelphia game, but this was a solid victory against a tough opponent. The fact Arizona won against the Flames the night before? Nice.

PACIFIC DIVISION STANDINGS

These numbers are kind of baked into the season now, we shouldn’t see too many examples of teams darting up or down. Edmonton is unlikely to finish below No. 5, and I would say the chances of finishing No. 1 are becoming a little distant (although March beckons). If Edmonton goes 12-8-5 in their last 25 games, the final record would be 82gp, 42-27-13, 97 points. Is that enough to make the playoffs? Yes. We shouldn’t get too excited—things can change—but this is a promising spot to be at this time.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Davidson—Gryba were the second-pairing at evens, going 8-2 against McGinn—Burmistrov—Rieder and 4-1 against Perlini—Dvorak—Doan. Davidson looks like he is more comfortable every game, Gryba played possibly his poorest game as an Oiler. Strange you see half a pairing do this, but they were together 14:47 of the time and the Corsi was very strong. The visual kicked the daylights out of Gryba, pretty sure.
  • Klefbom—Larsson were outstanding to my eye, with Oscar going 1-2-3 and looking like a 1970s-style Habs two-way blue. That is the highest compliment I can pay a defender. Pairing went 11-3 with McDavid, 11-10 with Leon. Faced Domi—Hanzal—Vrbata, going 12-7. Played just a little against McGinn—Burmistrov—Rieder, but went 9-3 in 2:40. That damned Perlini—Dvorak—Doan got the edge (4-6) in 3:57 against the Swedes, Dvorak is a dandy.
  • Sekera—Benning didn’t play enough to my eye, this would be my second pairing. Went 5-5 against McGinn—Burmistrov—Rieder, 2-2 against Domi—Hanzal—Vrbata. I am puzzled about this pairing’s usage, would love your input on it.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • It is perhaps unfair to point out—in a game where Leon and Oscar played so well—that Connor McDavid is the brightest diamond in the game. It is, however, true. His ability to turn a one-on-one into a two-on-one with Jordan Eberle in a heartbeat is simply devastating. The young man alters what we deem as possible, and does it daily. Amazing.
  • Maroon—McDavid—Eberle hammered the Coyotes like they were incoming freshmen in Dazed and Confused. Totaling 12 shots, the trio went 16-6 against the McGinn—Burmistrov—Rieder line, 6-0 against the Domi—Hanzal—Vrbata line and 3-1 against the Martinook—Jooris—Ryan White trio. Coyotes are lucky McDavid didn’t post a half dozen points. Lordy.
  • Hendricks—Letestu—Pakarinen combined on exactly the kind of goal Todd McLellan was waxing poetic about after the Chicago game. Went 5-4 against the Martinook—Jooris—Ryan White line, and totaled 2-2-4 as a line (although not together—Letestu scored on the PP). I thought the line was very effective, suspect we see them against Philadelphia. Pakarinen won’t quit, the Coyotes had decided the game was over with 5 seconds left, but he stole the puck and got a decent shot on goal.
  • Lucic—Draisaitl—Slepyshev had a fine night, the trio looked comfortable together. Went 9-9 against the Domi—Hanzal—Vrbata line, and all three Oilers worked effectively with the puck at various times. It is such an encouraging development for the Oilers, to see Slepyshev take advantage of this push. Very pleasing. What a pass to Oscar!
  • Caggiula—Nuge—Kassian played often with Gryba, which meant some unusually difficult moments in their end. Went 8-6 against Perlini—Dvorak—Doan, two of those guys are going to have good careers and one of them did. Caggiula had a point-blank chance in the first, I think he missed the net. Nuge had one or two good looks, and I do think Kassian may end up scoring 15 goals and 30 points somewhere down the line.
  • Information via HockeyStats, NHL.com and NaturalStatTrick.

PETER CHIARELLI SPEAKS

  • On Jesse Puljujarvi“I was down there a couple weeks ago and watched two games. He is getting a lot of touches and you could see his confidence is coming back. The defensive side of his game is getting better, and he’s made a lot of progress down there and he’s playing a lot of minutes. He’s going to be in the conversation come the deadline,” said Chiarelli. “He’s a dangerous player down there. He was far and above the most dangerous player I saw in both the games down there.”

There are a few things in play here, and JP may end up staying in Bakersfield for the rest of the year. Injuries, struggles by Anton Slepyshev and a barren trade deadline could occur, and in a case of that kind Puljujarvi may end up in Edmonton before the end of the season. The window is open a little if the Oilers plan on keeping Leon at center.

  • On Trade Deadline Rentals”I really don’t want to delve into that market. I think there are areas we can tinker with. I think the team deserves it, based on that they’re in the conversation. We wanted to be in the conversation and we are.”

Chiarelli probably has a sell list (Pouliot, Fayne, Hendricks) and then a pry list (first-round pick, Brandon Davidson) he would deal only in the event of a trade with useful pieces for the future coming back. I take his comments two ways, beginning with the fact he isn’t going to reveal his deadline plan at a media avail.

The other thing is that Chiarelli is likely to buy and sell. So, a trade for Brian Boyle could involve a first-round pick or Brandon Davidson—or both—but something else of value has to come back (along with Boyle). That would be my guess on the matter.

  • More on trade deadline: ‘You have to gauge where your team is in its evolution. Once you get into the playoffs anything can happen but you have to be realistic where you team is. The players we have here feel they can make some noise in the playoffs and as a general manager I weigh the temperature of the team. You do owe it to the players.’

There you go. I love that line about owing it to your players, the last general manager who felt that was Kevin Lowe, 2006. My take on this quote is that PC has no plans to mortgage the future (good) and will see how Anton Slepyshev, Jesse Puljujarvi and Laurent Brossoit perform down the stretch (also good).

I also think we are more likely to see a forward under contract (a good contract) brought in at the deadline, that is the play here. If the first-round pick goes, a pick or prospect goes back. If Brandon Davidson goes, a forward with a good contract and under control comes back. That would be wise.

CURTIS LAZAR

I have no inside information on the Edmonton Oilers (never have), but believe Peter Chiarelli is going to move heaven and earth to find 97 a RW in the next six months. Is it Lazar? I think Edmonton might scratch this itch, depending on price. Would PC trade the 2018 second-round pick for the Senators forward? Lazar and McDavid have some history during their junior careers, and I could see this happening. I am not saying count on it, but don’t be surprised if the Oilers acquire Lazar as a reclamation project. I also think the New York Islanders and Tampa Bay Lightning represent a perfect match for Edmonton in trade at this time.

JOHN MARINO

He performed well for Harvard during the Beanpot, helping his team win for the first time since 1993. Despite trading a plethora of 2015 draft picks, Edmonton did a nice job shoring up the defensive cupboard in the second portion of the draft (Caleb Jones, Ethan Bear, Marino, Ziyat Paigin). History teaches us only one (or possibly two) of these men will make it to the NHL, and Marino’s playing for Harvard makes it easy to look past him. Suspect he has a story to tell once he turns pro.

JULIEN

I rarely talk about the Bruins on this blog, but have to say the thought of Claude Julien coaching the Habs is a true nightmare. He is a very good coach and I wish him well. It would not surprise me to see Montreal win the Stanley this year, although there isn’t much time to add Julien type players to the Montreal roster (they are too small for his style, but they can all skate and there is plenty of talent). Habs win Stanley? It could happen.

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LMHF#1

NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker": I can see your point-of-view and I was being diplomatic. Personally the “Spider-Mable” thing brought me to tears. I am not saying he does not have agendas with his charity work or work in the community. I did not want to delve into that area or into politics.

I wanted to offer that he is a good human being to show that I do not have an overall dislike for the man, just that I do not agree with the way he speaks about the team.

Fair enough. I just really hope they don’t keep him around for the next 30 years because of his reputation.

rickithebear

Woogie63:
2014/15 Oilers where are they now

Action 4C then – out of the league now
Arcobello 4RW then –out of the league now
Aulie 7D – Out of the league now
Davidson – AHL then 5D now
Draisaitl 2C then – 2C now
Eberle 1RW then 1RW now
Fayne 4D then – AHL now
Ference 3D then – retired now
Gazdiz 13 forward then – 13 forward now
Gordon 3C then – out of the league now
Hall 1LW then – 1LW now
Hendricks – 4LW then- 13 forward now
Joensuu – 4 RW then – out of the league now
Klefblom – AHL then – 3D now
Lander – 3 C then – AHL now
Marincin – 5 D then – 7 D now
Niktin – 3 D then – out of the league now
Hopkins 1C then – 3C now
Nurse – CHL – 5D now
Oesterle – AHL then – AHL now
Pakarinen – 4 RW then – 4 RW now
Perron 2LW then- 3 LW now
Petry – 1 D then – 3D now
Pitlick – AHL then – 3RW now
Pouilot – 2 LW then – 14 forward now
Purcell 2W then- AHL now
Roy 3C then – out of the league now
Shultz 2D then 6D now
Scrivens 1G then – out of the league now
Fasth – 2G then out of the league now
Yakupov 3RW then – 13 forward now

PC has done alot of heavy lifting ….. 54%of that team is not playing in the NHL 2 years later

When you lok at the team MacT inherited:

12-13 48gm season (pts)
Hall (50)-RNH (24)-Eberle (37)
MP (16) -Gagner (38) – Yakupov (31)
Jones (7)-Horcoff (12) – Hemsky (20)
Smyth(13)-Belanger(3)-Petrell (9)
Hartikainen (3)- Arcobello (0)- Lander (1)

Smid (4) -Petry (12)
N. Schultz (9)-J. Schultz (27)
Whitney(13)/Fistric(6)-Potter (4)

Dubnyk .921 SV%
Khabibulin .923 SV%

When MacT was replaced:
He had arranged the Talbot trade and won the Mcdavid Lottery
Pouliot- RNH/McD-Ebs
Hall-Drai-Purcell/Yak
Hendricks-Gordon-Klink
Slepyshev-Lander-pakarinen

Marincin-Fayne
Klefbom-Schultz
Davidson- Nurse
Ference – Nikitin

Talbot Previously agreed to trade completed by org.
Broissoit
Scrivens

PC Traded Marincin for a pick that lead to Gryba
Massive Fail!
PC traded Gordon for korp
Massive Fail!
PC traded pit 1st mact got for perron + 2nd for Reinhart.
We shall see!
Replaced Gordon ‘s place with letestu
Great replacement!
PC Signed Sekera!
great facing 2nd or less
PC signed Andres Nilsson
Camp competition
Traded Scrivens for Kassian
Traded for Maroon
Traded Schultz to Pit
Traded Hal for Larsson
Signed lucic:

PC in interview credited bucky and MacT for Cag and Benning

Current Roster: (t) tambo; (m) MacT; (p) PC
Forwards:
(T): Eberle; Pitlick; RNH; Khaira
(M): Slepyshev; Hendricks; Pakarinen; Pouliot; Draisatl; Mcdavid
(P/M) Cagullia
(P): Letestu; Kassian; Maroon; Lucic

Defence:
(T): Davidson; Klefbom
(M): Fayne; Nurse
(P/M) Benning
(P): Gryba; Sekera; Larsson; Russell

Goalies:
(M): Talbot; Broissoit

When you look at teams it is often 2-3 Gm’s parts spread over 8-14 years that get them to the final.
6 tambo assets that date back to 2008
Ebs; Pitlick; Davidson; RNH; Klefbom; Khaira

10 Mact assets that date back to 2013
Nurse; Slepyshev; Broisoitt; Hendricks; Pakarinen; Draisaitl; Pouliot; Fayne; Talbot; Mcdavid

2 Joint (P/M) assets date back to 2015
Benning; Caggulia

8 PC assets date back to 2015
Gryba; Letestu; Sekera; Kassain; Maroon; Larsson; Lucic; Russell

20 of the active assets are from summer 2013 to today!

GMB3

Bohologo:
ashley,

This is the kind of thinking I come here to see. Contrarian, but reasonable.

Buy low, sell high. Makes sense.

+1

Side

Jethro Tull: No, some things are about Adam Larsson!

Who?! 😉

Jethro Tull

Side: Everything’s not about Taylor Hall, you know.

No, some things are about Adam Larsson! 😉

Jethro Tull

delooper: I think this is maybe the model for how CMD can be most effective in this era.

You play CMD with a low-salary replacement-level player like Maroon.His numbers run up, and eventually he is perceived as desirable around the league. And you most likely have to trade him, ideally for some better pieces.

It’s hard to imagine a high skill winger that could mesh with CMD and bring 1980’s point totals into the picture, without sinking the Oilers ship financially.

The most cost-effective model to make the Oilers competitive might be by using CMD to shine-up the assets, to trade for better ones.

If you’re using the best player in the game to pimp 4th liners into 1st liners, you’re doing it wrong.

Anyways, advanced stats are making the pump and dump obsolete. All a team has to do is run the WOWY’s and see how much you suck away from McDavid.

McDavid changes everything. He is so good that GMs will absolutely take into consideration that a player was riding shotgun with him and might even discount what he did whilst playing with McDavid.

It can’t be said that ‘we need players to compliment McDavid’s style’ or words to that effect, as he is so dominant, he dictates the style. Like Crosby did last year. It really doesn’t matter who he plays with. It really doesn’t. Look who one of Gretzky’s line mates was. The equivalent of Steve MacIntyre, Dave Semenko. Of course there was Kurri, but even watching Big Dave trying to keep was painful.

oscarmike

delooper: I think this is maybe the model for how CMD can be most effective in this era.

You play CMD with a low-salary replacement-level player like Maroon.His numbers run up, and eventually he is perceived as desirable around the league. And you most likely have to trade him, ideally for some better pieces.

It’s hard to imagine a high skill winger that could mesh with CMD and bring 1980’s point totals into the picture, without sinking the Oilers ship financially.

The most cost-effective model to make the Oilers competitive might be by using CMD to shine-up the assets, to trade for better ones.

How so?

All the games are broadcast live. It’s no secret that Mcdavid can inflate a players production.
Mcdavid is a generational player so unless EDM is trading with Pittsburg they’re not fooling anyone.

Side

Bruce Wayne:
Year after year Hall busted his ass on a team filled with guys who by the following year had washed out of the league, and yet we are supposed to believe that the problem was that Hall let them down, andwouldn’t go through a wall for them?I think someone has that backward.

Everything’s not about Taylor Hall, you know.

Ducey

Bruce Wayne:
Year after year Hall busted his ass on a team filled with guys who by the following year had washed out of the league, and yet we are supposed to believe that the problem was that Hall let them down, andwouldn’t go through a wall for them?I think someone has that backward.

Maybe he is talking about the guys who washed out?

Ooops sorry, I forgot everything goes back to the Trade.

LMHF#1: Agree with the gist of your post NYC – 1 thing though:

While at a base level the community work is of course good, I’m not sure why it always has to be said that he’s a “good human being”.

He’s got an agenda in much of what he does and hasn’t been shy about being political either. Not just out there spreading sunshine. His commentary on the team isn’t isolated.

I can see your point-of-view and I was being diplomatic. Personally the “Spider-Mable” thing brought me to tears. I am not saying he does not have agendas with his charity work or work in the community. I did not want to delve into that area or into politics.

I wanted to offer that he is a good human being to show that I do not have an overall dislike for the man, just that I do not agree with the way he speaks about the team.

delooper

Bruce Wayne:
Year after year Hall. . .

You don’t stop bringing the same-old same-old.

delooper

ashley:
I will take the day after the game that he scored his 20th to make this point:I don’t think Maroon is as good as we think he is.

He’s playing with CMD, and that will no doubt result in some zooming.But he also looks to be riding a bit of luck to my eye.His skills are average for a third or fourth liner, but his biggest problem is his decision-making.

If I were GM, I would be looking to include him in a trade.Sell high.

I think this is maybe the model for how CMD can be most effective in this era.

You play CMD with a low-salary replacement-level player like Maroon. His numbers run up, and eventually he is perceived as desirable around the league. And you most likely have to trade him, ideally for some better pieces.

It’s hard to imagine a high skill winger that could mesh with CMD and bring 1980’s point totals into the picture, without sinking the Oilers ship financially.

The most cost-effective model to make the Oilers competitive might be by using CMD to shine-up the assets, to trade for better ones.

npanciroli

Rebilled:
Here’s Benoit’s playoff stats w the 13/14 Rangers.

25 games26 pims 5 goals 5 assists.

Hadn’t seen that one posted before.

Please tell me these are all minors lol

Cassandra

Year after year Hall busted his ass on a team filled with guys who by the following year had washed out of the league, and yet we are supposed to believe that the problem was that Hall let them down, and wouldn’t go through a wall for them? I think someone has that backward.

vinotintazo

Woogie63: Hopkins 1C then – 3C now

Nuge is having a bad year… I guess Bergeron is also a 3C.

Woogie63: Shultz 2D then 6D now

Was never a fan of Schultz play especially last 2 years, but 6D? he’s a 4D at least. Even in TOI/g he’s 4rth on the Pens. 39 points so far.

Woogie63: Pouilot – 2 LW then – 14 forward now

Having a horrible year, I think he’s an overpaid 3LW

Woogie63: Pitlick – AHL then – 3RW now

Pitlick has not proved to be a 3RW yet. I hope he gets there He’s a 4RW for me.

Other than that I agree! 🙂

HugThePost

re: Ference’s comments

Is the guy even around the team anymore? I thought the guys on LTIR aren’t around the room much if at all.

I would think the fact that the Oilers were just a crap team when he was the captain was the #1 contributor to the losing that happened, not this mystical ‘culture’ he refers to. Sure, they might not have been the most cohesive group of guys, but I would bet that if they were winning, personality issues would be secondary things.

His comments make him seem petty and like he’s still got an axe to grind with certain individuals. It’s kind of sad that he’s riding off into the sunset shaking his fist like a bitter old man.

blainer

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
Andrew Ference: good human being, good in the community. But he came in here on a retirement gig with the game having passed him by and got paid handsomely to do it. Under his captaincy the team continued to struggle, not only on the ice, but off it. He went to the media on several occasions to insinuate locker room problems. It’s hard when you spout off like that but don’t bring credibility on the ice. When your performance is so bad you need to be healthy-scratched but you call out players by insinuating off-ice issues and lack of professionalism you really are not part of the solution but part of the problem.

Let’s go so far as to allow that Hall was not a so-called “warrior going to battle for his teammates.” He is out there putting up PPG and near-PPG seasons even while being an alleged problem. Meanwhile the captain goes to the press with these issues amid another losing season. How does that help team morale?

And now Ference is taking a victory lap and saying “I told you so” because the team is playing better and the likes of Hall and Yak are gone. His comments are self-serving at best, petty at worst.

Ference should stick to being a good samaritan and being involved in the community. He is very good at that. Pushing his “locker room culture” agenda when he is out to pasture already is not fair and is unnecessary.

One thing I will give Lucic is that he brings some real leadership to that locker room. He isn’t going to the press with issues or insinuating problems, and his play, although it has left something to be desired as a whole, is still at a level high enough on the ice where players respect him and listen.

He is not only at the head of the table at team dinners but he is out there on the ice contributing. Andrew Ference was part of the problem, not part of the solution. His comments serve no purpose except to say “I told you so” and absolve himself of some of the ‘blame’ for the poor performance of the team under his leadership.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Well said.

I have little time for someone who calls out his coworkers and then goes on to be way less productive then the people he is calling out. terrible thing to do.

Good in the community yes but should never have been captain.

Mr. D.

Inverse projected to hate

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: I don’t think “rose colored glasses” means what you think it means.

bendelson

Snowman: RIP Stuart Maclean.

Indeed.
I always enjoyed the Vinyl Cafe.
So long for now, Stuart McLean.

LMHF#1

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
Andrew Ference: good human being, good in the community.

His comments serve no purpose except to say “I told you so” and absolve himself of some of the ‘blame’ for the poor performance of the team under his leadership.

Agree with the gist of your post NYC – 1 thing though:

While at a base level the community work is of course good, I’m not sure why it always has to be said that he’s a “good human being”.

He’s got an agenda in much of what he does and hasn’t been shy about being political either. Not just out there spreading sunshine. His commentary on the team isn’t isolated.

Woogie63

2014/15 Oilers where are they now

Action 4C then – out of the league now
Arcobello 4RW then – out of the league now
Aulie 7D – Out of the league now
Davidson – AHL then 5D now
Draisaitl 2C then – 2C now
Eberle 1RW then 1RW now
Fayne 4D then – AHL now
Ference 3D then – retired now
Gazdiz 13 forward then – 13 forward now
Gordon 3C then – out of the league now
Hall 1LW then – 1LW now
Hendricks – 4LW then- 13 forward now
Joensuu – 4 RW then – out of the league now
Klefblom – AHL then – 3D now
Lander – 3 C then – AHL now
Marincin – 5 D then – 7 D now
Niktin – 3 D then – out of the league now
Hopkins 1C then – 3C now
Nurse – CHL – 5D now
Oesterle – AHL then – AHL now
Pakarinen – 4 RW then – 4 RW now
Perron 2LW then- 3 LW now
Petry – 1 D then – 3D now
Pitlick – AHL then – 3RW now
Pouilot – 2 LW then – 14 forward now
Purcell 2W then- AHL now
Roy 3C then – out of the league now
Shultz 2D then 6D now
Scrivens 1G then – out of the league now
Fasth – 2G then out of the league now
Yakupov 3RW then – 13 forward now

PC has done alot of heavy lifting ….. 54%of that team is not playing in the NHL 2 years later

JD_Wry

Snowman: RIP Stuart Maclean.

I think we should all dab some gravy on the light bulbs in our homes tonight.

vinotintazo

No reason to go 4-4-1 for us in the expansion draft….We’re not Minny or Nashville who will lose a clear top 4 D if they dont go 4-4-1, we’re talking about Davidson and we’re going to lose someone regardless, so might as well protect as many as you can.

Las Vegas Will take one of Davidson or Reinhart book it.

Rebilled

Here’s Benoit’s playoff stats w the 13/14 Rangers.

25 games 26 pims 5 goals 5 assists.

Hadn’t seen that one posted before.

Snowman

RIP Stuart Maclean.

Shit.

John Chambers

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

To me the strategy should be to avoid losing young players whose arc is suggestive of stronger future performance rather than having already hit peak performance.

If this isn’t peak performance for Maroon, I don’t know what is. Sell high. Leave a 29-year old fresh off a 25-ish goal season exposed in order to protect a 25- and 23-year old defensemen.

I thought for a bit about leaving Eberle and $6M exposed, but again he’s only 27 and solidly in the middle of peak performance. Better to protect Eberle, hope he rebounds, and possibly obtain value in return when trading him from a position of strength down the line.

Or Chiarelli could trade Davidson for a RW, go 7-3-1, and throw everything I’ve just suggested out the window 🙂

Andrew Ference: good human being, good in the community. But he came in here on a retirement gig with the game having passed him by and got paid handsomely to do it. Under his captaincy the team continued to struggle, not only on the ice, but off it. He went to the media on several occasions to insinuate locker room problems. It’s hard when you spout off like that but don’t bring credibility on the ice. When your performance is so bad you need to be healthy-scratched but you call out players by insinuating off-ice issues and lack of professionalism you really are not part of the solution but part of the problem.

Let’s go so far as to allow that Hall was not a so-called “warrior going to battle for his teammates.” He is out there putting up PPG and near-PPG seasons even while being an alleged problem. Meanwhile the captain goes to the press with these issues amid another losing season. How does that help team morale?

And now Ference is taking a victory lap and saying “I told you so” because the team is playing better and the likes of Hall and Yak are gone. His comments are self-serving at best, petty at worst.

Ference should stick to being a good samaritan and being involved in the community. He is very good at that. Pushing his “locker room culture” agenda when he is out to pasture already is not fair and is unnecessary.

One thing I will give Lucic is that he brings some real leadership to that locker room. He isn’t going to the press with issues or insinuating problems, and his play, although it has left something to be desired as a whole, is still at a level high enough on the ice where players respect him and listen.

He is not only at the head of the table at team dinners but he is out there on the ice contributing. Andrew Ference was part of the problem, not part of the solution. His comments serve no purpose except to say “I told you so” and absolve himself of some of the ‘blame’ for the poor performance of the team under his leadership.

Snowman

ashley,

The one thing I would disagree with here is that Maroon actually has a history of being a top scorer in Jr. It didn’t translate to the NHL immediately but he was a dominant top line player in his past. He’s clearly skilled.

I think there are a few factors contributing to his success. McDavid, SH%, definitely. I also think his offseason work to get slimmer and faster certainly have helped as well.

I don’t expect him to be a perennial 25 goal scorer but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he was a 17-20 goal scorer for the next few years.

I don’t know if you want to sell high on a big bodied bargain deal who can score. I think that might be a guy you hang on to.

Get good players, keep good players or something like that.

John Chambers,

Perhaps
Chia intends to go 7-3-1
He knows Davidson will likely be claimed due to his contract and ability so he is looking for a high pick (2nd rounder) or a forward to protect in his 7 as a return. He likes Davidson but due to bonuses, etc., thinks GMGM is unlikely to claim him over a forward, especially when teams like Minny have better D.

As a former trader I am all about buying low and selling high. That said, I think they will do what they can to keep Maroon. Not only is he found money he is a heart-and-soul guy and I can’t see them tipping the apple cart like that. This is no slight to Davey, who is a terrific story in his own right, but I think they will accept losing him over losing Maroon.

This is predicated on Chia having some very good intel that GMGM is not interested in Reinhart. If Chia loses both Reinhart to the draft and Davidson via trade without much coming back then he has misplayed his hand. Guessing he knows more about what Vegas wants than we do and that’s why he seems sure Davidson would be lost but makes no mention of Reinhart in the same vein.

JD_Wry

jm363561: and then you look down the locker and you know that guy is never going to go to war for you. I mean, that’s demoralizing.

Is also demoralizing to look down the locker room and see a largely AHL caliber defense, or to have your coach not understand the defensive capabilities of the team he’s trying to coach, or to be called out by name by your coach after a loss.

Soup Fascist

jm363561:
Comments by Andrew Ference in today’s Journal. Just sayin.

“This year you’re obviously seeing a step in the right direction with the professionalism of the team, the battle, the way they’re playing on the ice, the way they’re acting in the city or down in the room… Just that culture, I can’t empathize it enough, how important it is to come into a room and to know that everybody is going to be there for each other.”

” .. the attitude of knowing that there’s not just one or two guys who are going to go out and fight the battles, and then you look down the locker and you know that guy is never going to go to war for you. I mean, that’s demoralizing. It kills teams, to not be able to look across and know that guy has got your back just as much as you have his.”

Hmmm. I read that to mean the elephant in the room …. is no longer in the room.

John Chambers

ashley,

Agree with Boho, Ashley. Well-argued, even though my opinion differs somewhat.

I like Maroon’s style of putting the puck toward the goal, and crashing toward the goal. His game is all about creating chaos in the crease with his stick on the ice. Admittedly he’s not a perfect fit for McDavid, but I see Eberle being able to play the give-and-go style while Maroon secures possession in the defensive zone and plays trailer on the rush.

Maroon fits TMac’s style to a tee, so I don’t see the organization wanting to ‘sell’ this player.

On the other hand, Chiarelli probably knows he’s getting better-than-should-be-expected performance out of 19, and I wonder if they’ve come to peace over potentially losing him in the expansion draft over Davidson or Reinhart. Maroon may be one of a select few 20+ goal scorers to become available to Las Vegas.

And if Maroon played for LVS, how could he possibly put up similar numbers away from McDavid and likely at a less inflated Sh%? He could likely be re-acquired this time next year with little term remaining on his contract for pennies.

oscarmike

Chachi: Hall is definitely a better set up man than he is a scorer.

Hilariously, since Hall started in the NHL he only has 17 more assists than Milan Lucic. I know Hall’s assists per game and per 60 would dwarf those of Lucic, but you have to admit that is funny.

Of course my idea of “funny” is kind of twisted. For example this is the funniest thing I may have ever seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMS0O3kknvk

That lady fell again. She falls off every year.

Bohologo

ashley,

This is the kind of thinking I come here to see. Contrarian, but reasonable.

Buy low, sell high. Makes sense.

ashley

Bruce Wayne:
ashley,

I agree on Maroon.There is a reason he has only 8 assists.Be wary of guys with high goal totals matched with uncharacteristic shooting percentage, but that don’t have the corresponding assists.It is unlikely they have reached a new level.The other side of that is he has not been gifted cherry power play time to artificially inflate his stats (a la Lucic).

The comparison to Hall is way off, though.Hall is an elite playmaker, one of the best in the league.It is probably his best skill.

I meant to only compare their decision-making, not their player type, style, or ability. They are very different players and Hall is certainly far more talented than Maroon. Apart from this one-off year, I believe Hall will always be more productive than Maroon.

Another player that falls into the same category for decisions is Mike Gartner. As a Hall of Famer, I have a lot of respect for what he accomplished. He was an incredible hockey player in almost every respect, but never saw the ice well.

I would never put Mike Gartner on the same line as CMD because it limits what CMD can accomplish.

Different lines can accomplish great things in different ways. CMD needs players that suit his style.

Chachi

Bruce Wayne:
ashley,

I agree on Maroon.There is a reason he has only 8 assists.Be wary of guys with high goal totals matched with uncharacteristic shooting percentage, but that don’t have the corresponding assists.It is unlikely they have reached a new level.The other side of that is he has not been gifted cherry power play time to artificially inflate his stats (a la Lucic).

The comparison to Hall is way off, though.Hall is an elite playmaker, one of the best in the league.It is probably his best skill.

Hall is definitely a better set up man than he is a scorer.

Hilariously, since Hall started in the NHL he only has 17 more assists than Milan Lucic. I know Hall’s assists per game and per 60 would dwarf those of Lucic, but you have to admit that is funny.

Of course my idea of “funny” is kind of twisted. For example this is the funniest thing I may have ever seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMS0O3kknvk

oscarmike

Oilers do have a 3rd line C. His name is Nuge

classict

Side: HA!

Someone tell Mr. Ference that what he’s talking about is an intangible which has no reflection on the results on the ice!

What does this guy know, anyway? Has he never seen a spreadsheet or stats?

– Some People on this Blog.

I think the argument is that it’s more important to have great players than it is to have mediocre players with good ‘room’ characteristics. Ference is a perfect example of that.

Also winning leads to a better locker room atmosphere and guys sticking up for each other.

Glass

I selfishly want PC to acquire another 3rd round pick so that we can load up on prospects. Similar to when we acquired Slepy, Yakimov and I forget the 3rd guy.

oscarmike

CrazyCoach: Thanks for sharing that.Wow!Incredible piece of writing.

We often feel pro athletes are not human, because they do things normal humans can’t do, but we also forget they are susceptible to ailments that befall the toughest of us all.

Exactly why the Oilers shouldn’t trade away one off at the deadline. These guys all work hard to make the Oilers a good team. Sure Vbrata sounds better than Slepy but what did Vrbrata
do for the Oilers that he deserves to make the play-offs with Edmonton.

Cassandra

ashley,

I agree on Maroon. There is a reason he has only 8 assists. Be wary of guys with high goal totals matched with uncharacteristic shooting percentage, but that don’t have the corresponding assists. It is unlikely they have reached a new level. The other side of that is he has not been gifted cherry power play time to artificially inflate his stats (a la Lucic).

The comparison to Hall is way off, though. Hall is an elite playmaker, one of the best in the league. It is probably his best skill.

Mr. D.:
I tend to watch the defense. Gryba poor? He won just about every battle and moved the puck out. The goal was a lucky deflection off a guys leg. Puck he lost at blueline wad rifled into his skates. The puck over boards was a brain far but overall he and Davidson were rock solid. My visual confirms the CorsI. Too many haters with rose coloured glasses looking for mistakes instead of taking notes on the positives.

I don’t think “rose colored glasses” means what you think it means.

CrazyCoach

MughalMuggle: Incredible piece by Corey Hirsch. Hockey players are human too

Thanks for sharing that. Wow! Incredible piece of writing.

We often feel pro athletes are not human, because they do things normal humans can’t do, but we also forget they are susceptible to ailments that befall the toughest of us all.

Mr. D.

I tend to watch the defense. Gryba poor? He won just about every battle and moved the puck out. The goal was a lucky deflection off a guys leg. Puck he lost at blueline wad rifled into his skates. The puck over boards was a brain far but overall he and Davidson were rock solid. My visual confirms the CorsI. Too many haters with rose coloured glasses looking for mistakes instead of taking notes on the positives.

OilClog:
As ugly as Gryba was visually, Benning was equally visually appalling last night. The head bonk may need more rest and recovery.

Side

jm363561:
Interesting comments from Andrew Ference in today’s Journal.

“This year you’re obviously seeing a step in the right direction with the professionalism of the team, the battle, the way they’re playing on the ice, the way they’re acting in the city or down in the room… Just that culture, I can’t empathize it enough, how important it is to come into a room and to know that everybody is going to be there for each other.”

” .. the attitude of knowing that there’s not just one or two guys who are going to go out and fight the battles, and then you look down the locker and you know that guy is never going to go to war for you. I mean, that’s demoralizing. It kills teams, to not be able to look across and know that guy has got your back just as much as you have his.”

HA!

Someone tell Mr. Ference that what he’s talking about is an intangible which has no reflection on the results on the ice!

What does this guy know, anyway? Has he never seen a spreadsheet or stats?

– Some People on this Blog.

rickithebear

Bartkowski was the worst HD sh/60 dman in the game w/ VCR.

oscarmike

jm363561:
Interesting comments from Andrew Ference in today’s Journal.

“This year you’re obviously seeing a step in the right direction with the professionalism of the team, the battle, the way they’re playing on the ice, the way they’re acting in the city or down in the room… Just that culture, I can’t empathize it enough, how important it is to come into a room and to know that everybody is going to be there for each other.”

” .. the attitude of knowing that there’s not just one or two guys who are going to go out and fight the battles, and then you look down the locker and you know that guy is never going to go to war for you. I mean, that’s demoralizing. It kills teams, to not be able to look across and know that guy has got your back just as much as you have his.”

It’s funny how that happen as soon as he placed on IR and now isn’t the Captain of the Oilers.
Ference just admitted he was a weak Captain that couldn’t rally his guys.

jm363561

Comments by Andrew Ference in today’s Journal. Just sayin.

“This year you’re obviously seeing a step in the right direction with the professionalism of the team, the battle, the way they’re playing on the ice, the way they’re acting in the city or down in the room… Just that culture, I can’t empathize it enough, how important it is to come into a room and to know that everybody is going to be there for each other.”

” .. the attitude of knowing that there’s not just one or two guys who are going to go out and fight the battles, and then you look down the locker and you know that guy is never going to go to war for you. I mean, that’s demoralizing. It kills teams, to not be able to look across and know that guy has got your back just as much as you have his.”

CrazyCoach

Jethro Tull: After a 10 hour flight.Come for the scouting, stay for the rollmops.

What about the Surströmming?

MughalMuggle

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/corey-hirsch-dark-dark-dark/

Incredible piece by Corey Hirsch. Hockey players are human too