G66 2016-17: ISLANDERS AT OILERS

by Lowetide

The glory Islanders were one of the best teams I have ever seen. The goalies were a HHOFer and a guy you could build a marginal case for, the defense was led by the tough and frightening Denis Potvin, and the forwards boasted a perfect center in Bryan Trottier and possibly the greatest sniper in history of the game (Mike Bossy). Yeah.

The 1983 SCF was actually closer than you might think for a four-game sweep. Edmonton beat Calgary in the Smythe Division Final (in five games) by outscoring the Flames 35-13, that was domination. Oilers swept the Chicago Blackhawks in the Campbell Conference Final, outscoring them 25-11 in four games. In the four games of the final in 1983, the Oilers were in games 1, 3 and 4 into the third period. Source

The moment I devoted my Oilers fandom to beating the Islanders came after the 1983 Stanley Cup Finals. In an article called ‘On the Contrary’ Stan Fischler compared the Islanders victory over Edmonton in 1983 to the Battle of Britain and the Battle of Midway, with the Islanders representing Churchill and America, respectively.

  • Fischler: There are those who believe that someday the Oilers will win the Stanley Cup. Do not believe it. As long as Glen Sather runs the Oilers, they can be stopped. Wayne Gretzky is Ted Williams–a winner but not a champion. That’s an important distinction. Williams has no World Series ring and Gretzky–with all of his style and grace–may never have a Stanley Cup ring.

I had just witnessed the Oilers rip through their part of the NHL, and show pretty well against a superior team (the Islanders won 19 straight rounds from 1980 to 1984). If you had seen the series in real time, the storyline would have been great team wins their fourth in a row and team on the rise learned a lot in losing. I still have that copy of The Hockey News these years later. Fischler’s words were piercing and memorable, if incorrect. The following season, Wayne Gretzky and the Oilers would win the first Stanley Cup in franchise history. I had a drink to salute Mr. Fischler, and then I had another one.

WHEATFIELD SOUL, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0, goal differential -7
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-2-0, goal differential +10
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2, goal differential -6
  • Oilers in November 2016: 5-8-2 goal differential -3
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1, goal differential -9
  • Oilers in December 2016: 7-2-5, goal differential +3
  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-5-2, goal differential -5
  • Oilers in January 2017: 9-4-1, goal differential +8
  • Oilers in February 2016: 3-8-2, goal differential -18
  • Oilers in February 2017: 6-6-0, goal differential -2
  • Oilers in March 2016: 8-8-0, goal differential +5
  • Oilers in March 2017: 1-0-0, goal differential +1
  • Oilers after 65, 2015-16: 24-34-7, goal differential -38
  • Oilers after 65, 2016-17: 35-22-8, goal differential +17

G66 saw Edmonton put the boots to the Philadelphia Flyers 4-0, Cam Talbot stopping 35 shots. From G66 forward, last year’s Oilers finished 7-9-1 to finish 31-43-8, 70 points. If the Oilers finish the same way, their final record will be 42-31-9, 93 points. That will get the playoffs, but maybe not top 3 in the Pacific Division.

 WHAT TO EXPECT FROM MARCH

  • At home to: Detroit, NY Islanders, Pittsburgh, Montreal (Expected: 2-2-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: Dallas, Boston, Vancouver, Los Angeles (Expected: 3-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Anaheim, Colorado (Expected: 1-1-0) (Actual: 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Colorado, Los Angeles, San Jose (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual: 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-5-1, 15 points in 13 games
  • Overall current results: 1-0-0, 2 points in one game 

The Islanders were awful in Calgary on Sunday, suspect we will see a far better effort tonight at Rogers Place. The Oilers should be able to grab another win from this week, and if they grab victory tonight, perhaps we will see an even stronger beginning to the month.

CURRENT STANDINGS

Edmonton has their fate in their own hands, and can help the cause with a win tonight. Calgary looks really good currently, but are unlikely to win 16 in a row to end the season. If the Oilers win tonight, they will be four up on the Flames with 16 to play. It is going to be fun to see this race over the next 30 days.

One area where the southern men have a recent advantage: Goal. In the last 10 Oilers games, Cam Talbot has played nine. He is 6-3-0 with a .907 SP in those games. In the last 10 Flames games, Brian Elliott has played nine. He is 7-0-1 with a .932 SP in those games.

CENTERS

If we can agree that McDavid is the best 1C bet in the land moving forward, and that Letestu should return for 4C, then it comes down to Nuge at 2C and Desharnais at 3C, or vice versa. Could Edmonton sign DD for under $3 million? Would that be a good investment? Would you rather a RHC? Maybe Caggiula will be more capable of winning that job in the fall? I will vote McDavid-Nuge-Desharnais-Letestu unless they can get a righty like Derek Ryan who they think can score 15 goals in the 3C slot. McDavid is getting famous. A brilliant SI article is here.

One area of overlap I see is PP centers. McDavid is going to be 1PP forever, Nuge belongs on a 1PP but there is no room at the Inn. Desharnais duplicates those skills, and if he was a righty it would fit the 5×4 better. Something to consider.

LEFT WINGERS

Milan Lucic and Patrick Maroon have been among the top 9Fs all season, but Benoit Pouliot has been outside the top three lines, and injured to boot. I am wondering if we see him soon, and also wonder if they might be holding him back to make sure he is in peak form. A healthy and effective BP would be a Godsend. Laugh if you wish, this guy was a good hockey player until injury about one year ago. Slepyshev, Khaira and Caggiula are fighting for something, and Caggiula is winning, for now. Pouliot can put this to rest if he returns playing his usual game.

Anton Slepyshev may be a player. It will be difficult for him to push through the competition (Pouliot, Caggiula) but the job is there and his offense this year (over 82gp it would work out to 7-13-20) is encouraging for a rookie on support lines. Khaira seems set to take over 4L duties in the fall.

RIGHT WINGERS

A depth chart next fall of Draisaitl-Eberle-Puljujarvi-Kassian is probably dreaming, and Pitlick may get signed and push his way into the conversation. My preference would be Puljujarvi-Eberle-Pitlick-Kassian but that might be asking too much of JP. I want to mention Slepyshev here too, his name may emerge at this position. Pretty sure the first-round pick will be a winger, but doubt he will be pushing for a job this fall.

DEFENSE (WITH WOODMONEY)

I am really liking the WM numbers for what they bring, and that is a lot. For me, the minutes/game against elites is a tell. There are five men playing five or more minutes a night against elites, and one of them is a rookie. That is a major deal. The only man who faces elite competition more than six minutes a night is Kris Russell. I think Todd McLellan likes Russell on the ice to defend against top opponents, falling back into the age old idea that defending is the most important thing.

  • Darryl Sutter: “The big thing in today’s game is you have to be able forecheck and backcheck, and you have to have the puck. You can’t give the puck up. We don’t play in our zone, so there’s not much defending.  I’ve coached in three decades now and this stuff where they said Marian had to play in Jacques’s system is a bunch of bull-crap. The game’s changed. They think there’s defending in today’s game. Nah, it’s how much you have the puck. Teams that play around in their own zone think they’re defending but they’re generally getting scored on or taking face-offs and they need a goalie to stand on his head if that’s the way they play.”

It’s how much you have the puck. Edmonton has been sliding a little in possession over recent weeks, because they are getting away from that one true thing: It’s how much you have the puck. Many folks think Todd McLellan is a poor coach, I don’t agree. I do think we all have biases, and Mr. McLellan likes defensemen who can defend well and has trusted Kris Russell a lot this season. Russell’s numbers (based on WM) aren’t horrible, and I can see a scenario where Edmonton signs the veteran. One thing that may keep the Oilers from a long-term deal with Russell? The McDavid deal. Matt Benning is walking on sunshine, Darnell Nurse doing well on the third pairing. Oilers have 30 goals from the defense, had 24 all last season. Can Oscar finish with 15?

Photo by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved

SAIL ON, JIHLAVA DUKLA

David Musil came to the Edmonton Oilers in an era of fog an confusion. On the day he was drafted, Musil (and Oscar Klefbom) were looking up at names like Ryan Whitney, Ladislav Smid, Theo Peckham,, Taylor Chorney and then after free agency Andy Sutton and Cam Barker among LHD. Musil didn’t pass any of them.

The fall he turned pro, Musil was behind (on the left side) Ladislav Smid, Andrew Ference, Nick Schultz, Anton Belov, Denis Grebeshkov, Martin Marincin, Oscar Klefbom, Brad Hunt, Brandon Davidson. Source

Musil was an excellent defensive player in junior, his intelligence obvious on every sortie defended. Over his time in the AHL, he once again did the mental math in order to become an effective defender despite having average wheels. I think he has earned a chance with another team, and that is what we are seeing. Hat tip to Peter Chiarelli and the Oilers, this was the right thing to do. Sail on, David Musil, I hope you find your place in the sun.

COLLEGE FREE-AGENT SEASON

A month ago I wrote about some possible free-agent signings from CHL and college teams. It is here and includes Ryan Mantha and a few other defensemen as options. I suspect the Oilers are close to their maximum on defense, although a RHD wouldn’t go amiss and Musil’s exit will make room for another blue. Here is a re-print of my list of college and CHL players who might be interest from my January look.

  • C-R Zack Aston-Reese, Northeastern University. He is 6.0, 190 and plays a heavy game. Certainly a Chiarelli—McLellan type and has skill. Note: Has emerged as a top FA option now.
  • LD Daniel Brickley, Minnesota State-Mankato. Oilers have been mentioned in regard to Brickley in the past, and he would certainly merit a roster spot. Can he break through the Leftorium?
  • LD Gavin Bayreuther, St. Lawrence University. He has been a player of interest for some time and was having a strong season year (more than a point per game) before his injury. Should have a lot of interest.
  • G Parker Cahagen, Army. He has a .936SP and was .937 a year ago.
  • C Mike Vecchione, Union. Complete center who may be the most valuable player on this list. He is in his senior year and ripping it up.
  • R Tyler Kelleher, New Hampshire. A 5.06 senior is only a prospect if he is leading the world in points. Kelleher has 40 points in 22 games and someone will sign him.
  • RD Ryan Mantha, Niagra IceDogs. He was drafted by the NY Rangers, but they chose not to sign him. Mantha has performed very well as an overager (1996) and someone will sign him.
  • RD Aaron Irving, Everett Silvertips. It may be just an AHL deal, but I believe he can play pro and he addresses an extreme area of need for the organization.
  • L Ryan Graham, Swift Current Broncos. Fast winger with a terrific shot, Oilers need a bunch of these guys, maybe one will cash.
  • RD Darren Raddysh, Erie Otters. Former teammate of Connor McDavid, he is a steady defender with two-way ability. Nothing flashy, but he can play.
  • RC Austin Glover, Red Deer Rebels. He has good size and speed, enough skill to project to the pro level if he can stay healthy.
  • L Dawson Leedahl, Regina Pats. Big winger, good speed, skill and plays a responsible game.
  • L Dominic Zwerger, Spokane Chiefs. Fast and skilled winger blossomed this season.
  • R Zach Zborosky, Lethbridge Hurricanes. He might be eligible for the 2017 draft (October 15, 1996) so I may have him in the wrong spot. Impressive offense two years in a row, has good speed and has blossomed offensively the last two seasons.
  • L Scott Eansor, Seattle Thunderbirds. Small (5.09) two-way forward who has progressed through his junior career.
  • L Evan Polei, Red Deer Rebels. Big winger with skill and a very good shot. I bet the Oilers rate him.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN 1260. A lot to get to, and we have the men who can do it. Scheduled to  appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, Cult of Hockey. McDavid’s contract, can they afford to sign Russell, is Calgary going to run the Oilers show?
  • Ryan Holt, Condors PBP. An exciting run for Bakersfield, they are flying down the highway, tearing up the blacktop.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. How many Canadian teams make the playoffs? What in hell has gotten into the Ottawa Senators? Is McDavid fast? I think he is fast.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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leadfarmer

I never understood the David Musil pick. Why use a high pick on a guy whose ceiling is able to be covered by a 2 mil a year contract for a veteran. His ceiling was a defensive 3rd pairing d and it doesn’t look like he will get there.

Melvis

Then there was John Tonelli – the hardest working man in hockey. I was at the 1984 Canada Cup final. In the corners, the dudes face was a coat of many colors, ranging from pink to deep purple. That alone might have scared the Swedes into thinking he was about to suffer a heart attack.

I’d like to see that work ethic tonight and through the remainder.

Goilers!

Lloyd B.

The Pisani from that era was also on the Islanders. Butch Goring. Incredible playoff performer.

dcsj

Never did like Fischler. No objectivity. I quit reading him after one or two tries. I think that was even pre-Oilers.

That New York Islanders team was a classy act, though. I was living in South Carolina at the time of the final and managed to find a TV with the game on to watch them lose. The victory the next year was very sweet.

Ca$h-McMoney!

If you are going to talk about undrafted junior players who deserve a shot why not mention the leading scorer in the WHL?

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=62109

Tyler Wong is the hardest working player I’ve seen at the WHL level. Without question. Plus he’s a cowboy, wears a bolo tie/cowboy boots/belt buckle with his suit to every game. And he fights guys who have 30 pounds on him. I know he’s small, but he deserves a shot.

That said Toronto will probably sign him.

russ99

1. Can’t believe you talked up the hated 80s Islanders? LOL. Billy Smith was my most hated hockey player for decades. Bossy and Trottier were great, but they were the enemy.

2. The Sutter quote is opinion not fact.

Some prefer the grand unified Corsi theory where preventing entry, clean exit passes and possession trumps everything.

The coaching staff and GM and others don’t agree. When a guy like Kane, Crosby or Jagr have the puck in our zone, and they invariably will get the puck in the zone no matter what zone entry denial, zone exit or puck possession system you use, there’s going to be a need for defense.

Limitation of shot quality by defender is real, and just because it can’t be quantified until there are chips in the skates and pucks doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Bruce McCurdy

leadfarmer:
I never understood the David Musil pick.Why use a high pick on a guy whose ceiling is able to be covered by a 2 mil a year contract for a veteran.His ceiling was a defensive 3rd pairing d and it doesn’t look like he will get there.

Are you saying that in mid-2011 you had his ceiling pegged as a 3rd pairing D? Man, you’re good.

dustrock

That SI article on McDavid is great.

So funny complaining to his mom about players on his team not taking the game seriously, talking about cartoons during the game, at age 7.

Bohologo

I was (un)lucky enough to have a good seat for the 1983 SC Finals Game 1. Billy Smith, who as far as I could tell was evil incarnate, played an amazing game between the pipes and sent us all home devastated. (I pictured Smith post-game, pinching babies, robbing old ladies, and skinning kittens.)

Opening at home with Mike Bossy out of the Islanders lineup with the flu had many of us feeling optimistic, but the Islanders were a truly great team. I seem to recall Messier was playing with a separated shoulder.

Fischler’s hate for the Oilers was (and possibly remains, I too have long since stop reading) palpable, so it was lovely to see him be so wrong for so long. Haw!

Ducey

Ca$h-McMoney!:
If you are going to talk about undrafted junior players who deserve a shot why not mention the leading scorer in the WHL?

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=62109

Tyler Wong is the hardest working player I’ve seen at the WHL level.Without question.Plus he’s a cowboy, wears a bolo tie/cowboy boots/belt buckle with his suit to every game.And he fights guys who have 30 pounds on him.I know he’s small, but he deserves a shot.

That said Toronto will probably sign him.

Meh. The Oilers signed a bunch of these type of guys to AHL deals. They never turned out. See Josh Winquist, (and at least two others I that I can’t recall their names).

You don’t want to count anyone out but Wong didn’t exactly light it up in his draft year, and that’s a tell for me that his offense will be light at the next level. If he can’t turn into a bottom 6 player (and most smaller players can’t) then he won’t make it.

Aitch

Bruce McCurdy: Are you saying that in mid-2011 you had his ceiling pegged as a 3rd pairing D? Man, you’re good.

Didn’t everybody?

kinger_OIL

dustrock,

– Great post LT: you’ve painted a good picture here

– Dustrock: I’m one of the coaches of my son’s team (he’s 7). They sing on the bench, talk about how many teeth they have lost, argue whether Dark Vader is real. Guess no CMD’s among them!

– All that matter for this team to work out is: the following 8/9 guys (with some ifs but that’s life)

1) anyone-CmD-Pulji
2) Lucic-Drai-anyone
3) Klef-Larsson
4) Sek-better than Russel
5) Nurse-Benning
6) good goalering

– All the rest you can shuffle around, find guys, trade guys. Pool-party needs to have a Drai year next year, Lucic has to be a good winger for Drai as he graduates to 2 C.

– Lucic-RNH-Ebs just is too expensive a 2nd line, but I can see them keeping RNH another year in case Drai isn’t ready to be 2C

– Over time Nurse can move up the pairings (and maybe Benning?).

– This is the foundation of 6-8 years of Cup runs folks

Melvis

dustrock:
That SI article on McDavid is great.

So funny complaining to his mom about players on his team not taking the game seriously, talking about cartoons during the game, at age 7.

Unlike today. Coughing up for a game only to find oneself surrounded by a half dozen clowns, faces glued to their phones, shouting over you about the latest Goop tweet.

bsmart

In 2011 I wanted Ty Rattie to be taken by the Oilers over Musil, I thought he was going to be a legit 20 goal winger. He was on waivers in 2017.

Sometimes you just don’t know….

StixMalone

What is killing the Oilers cap is the 18 million dollar 2nd line. Surely one or two have to be moved in the off season. Ebs or Nuge or both are going. Sad to say and see but Connor is the franchise now and time to build around him…..

nvan97

In that SI article I appreciate the fact that they said McDavid broke Gartner’s lap record (with the caveat it was from a standstill).

nvan97

bsmart:
In 2011 I wanted Ty Rattie to be taken by the Oilers over Musil, I thought he was going to be a legit 20 goal winger. He was on waivers in 2017.

Sometimes you just don’t know….

Usually I don’t know. HA!
I used to tell people that I thought Paajarvi would be better than Hall or Ebs. That’s one among many proclamations I have made that were not even close.

Bruce McCurdy

Aitch: Didn’t everybody?

Red Line Report had him at #17, International Scouting Services at 27, Bob mcKenzie at 41. Clearly they should have all consulted the Nostradami of this comments section. 😐

Chachi

Bruce McCurdy: Red Line Report had him at #17, International Scouting Services at 27, Bob mcKenzie at 41. Clearly they should have all consulted the Nostradami of this comments section.

After his first season in the WHL he was definitely one of the highest ranked junior age d-men going into the season of his draft year. Anyone who says they had his ceiling pegged as a 3rd pairing d-man at that time should take some Meta-Musil because they are full of crap.

dustrock

Melvis: Unlike today. Coughing up for a game only to find oneself surrounded by a half dozen clowns, faces glued to their phones, shouting over you about the latest Goop tweet.

Absolutely. Can’t stand much of the crowd at Oilers games anymore. Are you actually there to watch the game or not?

Also, no hesitation in cursing up a storm when I might have my 5 year old daughter with me.

Decorum. It was a great concept once. Make Decorum Great Again.

Ca$h-McMoney!

Ducey: Meh. The Oilers signed a bunch of these type of guys to AHL deals. They never turned out. See Josh Winquist, (and at least two others I that I can’t recall their names).

You don’t want to count anyone out but Wong didn’t exactly light it up in his draft year, and that’s a tell for me that his offense will be light at the next level. If he can’t turn into a bottom 6 player (and most smaller players can’t) then he won’t make it.

A couple of points:

1. Agree he needs to be able to make it as a checker. The list provided isn’t looking for the next McDavid, it’s looking for the next Caggiula.
2. The kid forechecks like a demon and is arguably the best defensive forward on his team. He is a very good fit for a small checker. He’s very strong for his size and quite tenacious. I saw Winquist play at this level, he was very good but he didn’t play the game like Wong.
3. His draft year wasn’t great, but consider that his team won 12 games and lost 60 that season. It’s hard to score when you play for one of the worst teams of all time. He scored at about the same pace as Reid Duke, the guy LV just signed out of Brandon (who was a Cane at the time, though he demanded a trade later). Wong is clearly better than Duke at this level.

So in summary I agree with your points, but consider what the list is all about. Compared to the other guys listed I’d say Wong is or more likely to transition into a successful pro, with the upside of being a descent (and cheap) third liner. I’d take the shorter guy who plays big and puts up points over the guy who happens to be 6’1 and can’t get it done like Wong can.

That said if I had to guess what he’s doing ten years from now I’d say Doctor.

Ca$h-McMoney!,

Another Cochrane Assassin

leadfarmer

Bruce McCurdy,

Yeah I did. Defensemen need to do 3 things. Defend, skate, and pass. If you can’t do those 3 things you might be able to carve out a 3rd pairing career with one eye over your shoulder the entire time. Some of us knew the game was changing, Oilers have been a few steps behind for years.

Chachi

C Mike Vecchione, Union. Complete center who may be the most valuable player on this list. He is in his senior year and ripping it up.

If Vecchione wants to know what Edmonton is like he can ask his teammate, former Bonnyville Pontiac and Edmontonian Spencer Foo who lists as “noteworthy” in his bio on the Union College website that he is a diehard Edmonton Eskimos fan.

Given that the Oilers seem to be collecting former Pontiacs players they should probably pick up Foo when they have a chance to as well.

judgedrude

Fischler via Lowetide: : Wayne Gretzky is Ted Williams–a winner but not a champion.

… to further that perception, Wayne was also overpaid and had hairy legs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-0rHnnS7U8

dustrock,

I have yet to make the trip up north to the new barn. On TV it sounds a lot quieter.

Of course, old barns had poor acoustics. 12,000 at Nassau were louder than 18,000 at MSG.

Which brings me to the next question. As MSG got renovated and ticket prices went up, along with the number of corporate boxes, the noise factor went down as more suits on their blackberries (iPhones now, I guess) were coming in on weeknights. Weekends were a bit better. Edmonton is less corporate than NYC, but is a bit of the same happening with the new, higher prices?

Is it the acoustics? ticket prices? iphones? all of the above? is it actually NOT quieter than Rexall and am I imagining that?

linkfromhyrule

Yikes, that Fischler quote was a blistering hot take. I think it singed my eyebrows from way back in 1983. That must have hurt eating his words 4 times over.

Did Fischler ever issue a mea culpa for that statement? An “I was wrong” goes a long way towards making one look like less of an ass, just ask any woman ever. 🙂

As an aside, do we currently have the cheapest 1st line/top pairing D combo in hockey? Before bonuses, the combined cap hit of the 1L + the Swedes is $11.7 million. I’m trying to think of a team that’s cheaper, but I’m drawing a blank. Hopefully we can accomplish something with it, because that advantage will be gone very quickly.

leadfarmer

Bruce McCurdy: Are you saying that in mid-2011 you had his ceiling pegged as a 3rd pairing D? Man, you’re good.

I also said something similar about Lander. Why draft a guy whose ceiling is Eric Belanger when Belanger just costs you money.
Last year I had Davidson not only winning a roster spot but also taking Nurse’s lunch. Now injuries limited that one but I don’t think I was too far off.

judgedrude,

hahaha “well dressed sour puss.”

meanashell11

I have over the past two decades spent a lot of time with Clark Gillies. He has a lot of respect for those Oilers, believe me, those Islanders did not disrespect the Oilers. I have spent hours talking about those two series, he is a funny guy, complete honest to goodness Saskie boy who never dreamed all this would happen to him. I have also gotten to know Dave Maloney who played against those Oiler teams. He has a lot of respect for them. Stan can go screw himself!

nvan97

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

I think a big reason for the quietness in Rogers is just a general malaise among Oiler fans. Sure they are better this year but it’s been a decade since something exciting happened here and it seems like it’s become a grind for a lot of fans over the years. We go to support the team but it was done sort of begrudgingly and almost out a sense of duty because of that lingering fear that one day the team could pack up and leave town. It’s honestly what many people experience when they go to church. There isn’t a lot of joy or happiness, just a sense of duty because you’ve been going so long and you can’t quit now.

nvan97,

Interesting. I thought aside from the one Seattle stunt to get a better arena deal that once Katz bought the team from the EIG and the Canadian dollar returned to near parity long enough and the cap came in to play that the fear of the team packing up and leaving had subsided substantially.

Wasn’t aware that people had that fear the past few years. Certainly, losing is draining, though and I could see that taking its toll.

TeeVee

“…and possibly the greatest sniper in history of the game (Mike Bossy)…”

Behind Mark Messier, Mike Bossy was and still is my 2nd fav player of all time.

Ducey

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
dustrock,

I have yet to make the trip up north to the new barn. On TV it sounds a lot quieter.

Of course, old barns had poor acoustics. 12,000 at Nassau were louder than 18,000 at MSG.

Which brings me to the next question. As MSG got renovated and ticket prices went up, along with the number of corporate boxes, the noise factor went down as more suits on their blackberries (iPhones now, I guess) were coming in on weeknights. Weekends were a bit better. Edmonton is less corporate than NYC, but is a bit of the same happening with the new, higher prices?

Is it the acoustics? ticket prices? iphones? all of the above? is it actually NOT quieter than Rexall and am I imagining that?

I would guess some of it is the fans, but definitely the acoustics are a factor.

There are an extra 2000 seats. Its a larger building and it opens up into Ford Hall that stretches over 104 ave. I am no sound expert but would expect that the sound “escapes” out into the hall.

Hopefully we will get a chance to test it out during an exciting playoff run.

hunter1909

Did Stan Fischer ever manage to live that down?

nvan97

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

I think that seeing Quebec and Winnipeg move, the near move to Houston, the floating of the Seattle idea has all just sunk deep into the psyche. I think it’s a part of the reason that fans go even after all the years of losing. Calgary, Detroit, Chicago for years before Toews and Kane, have all had hard times filling their barns due to lack of success or poor economy. Edmonton has experienced both those things, at times simultaneously, and still sells out game after game in one of the smallest markets in the NHL. And when fans show up after years of losing, and a slumping economy I’m sure at times it is simply because there is this nagging voice that says “if we don’t keep coming they might leave.”
Edit: I’m not suggesting that people still overtly fear a move, especially in recent years, but perhaps (please don’t read this as me comparing the two) Edmonton fans suffer from PTSD that will never truly go away.

Woodguy v2.0

WC standings using points %. Shown as “points over/under .500” to see spreads between teams.

MIN 27
CHI 24
SJS 20
EDM 13
ANA 11
CGY 10
NSH 8
STL 5
—————
LAK 3
WPG -1
DAL -2
VAN -2
ARI -8
COL -27

NYI is fighting for their playoff lives and I expect a much better game than they gave CGY.

They switched back to Hamonic-DeHaan after the 1st period and that’s a good pairing.

Boychuk can’t go and they run Leddy-Mayfield, Sidenberg-Hickey that’s two pairs without a lot of TOI together and that can be taken advantage of.

Oilers’ CF% and xGF% is trending up, NYI’s is trending down.

Hopefully that continues tonight.

GOILERS!!

*clap,clap*

Cahoon

Ca$h-McMoney!,

I went to a Canes game with my BIL 10 or so days ago, and they didn’t have a good night. Wong definitely stood out from the rest of the crowd. The kid works hard and he’s got some wheels on him. He seemed the fastest player on either team.

Scungilli Slushy

bsmart:
In 2011 I wanted Ty Rattie to be taken by the Oilers over Musil, I thought he was going to be a legit 20 goal winger. He was on waivers in 2017.

Sometimes you just don’t know….

I don’t know, both players can’t skate well. The only way to overcome that if you can’t improve is to be a deadly scorer.

A lot of those who they have drafted and didn’t make it had the same issue, weak skating. To me that would be the first item on the checklist.

Of course there are some who might just need some coaching to skate well enough. But if it’s in question always deferring to the better skater (outside of lottery picks) I think will increase the odds of getting a useful player. Especially in this era, especially on a McDavid team.

Melvis

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Mostly acoustics, I suspect. I had the good fortune of having spent at least one evening in pretty much every barn in North America. They’ve all been replaced by “multi-purpose facilities”. There’s a greater design cognizance reflective of a variety of differing musical events. And yet, mistakes and adjustments have to be made. Much like the ice at Rogers.

The acoustic designers can’t really fine tune in advance for nineteen thousand sandbags in seats.

Rake 2.0

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

I think all the losing has taken a toll on the fans. Before they would cheer for the team throughout the game. Now it seems like the team has to do something exciting to get the fans to get the fans into it. This is probably because we’ve had very little to cheer for for a long time. I expect that place to be bonkers in the playoffs. By all accounts it was quite lively on Saturday.

Bank Shot

Scungilli: I don’t know, both players can’t skate well. The only way to overcome that if you can’t improve is to be a deadly scorer.

A lot of those who they have drafted and didn’tmake it had the same issue, weak skating. To me that would be the first item on the checklist.

Of course there are some who might just need some coaching to skate well enough. But if it’s in question always deferring to the better skater (outside of lottery picks) I think will increase the odds of getting a useful player. Especially in this era, especially on a McDavid team.

I don’t think it’s that simple. Lots of players drafted with poor skating have worked out remarkably well. Guys like Jarret Stoll, Horcoff, Brodziak, etc.

You get a lot of busts from the other end of the spectrum as well. Guys like Paajarvi or JF Jacques that have size and can skate like the wind but are completely clueless about how to play hockey at the NHL level.

PhrankLee

Great post LT.

I hated Billy Smith like I hated The Cuban Assassin when I was little.

I’d never felt that kind of rage before.

Fuck the Islanders.

Skoilers!!!

Yeti

Chachi: Anyone who says they had his ceiling pegged as a 3rd pairing d-man at that time should take some Meta-Musil because they are full of crap.

Line of the week!

LMHF#1

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
dustrock,

I have yet to make the trip up north to the new barn. On TV it sounds a lot quieter.

Of course, old barns had poor acoustics. 12,000 at Nassau were louder than 18,000 at MSG.

Which brings me to the next question. As MSG got renovated and ticket prices went up, along with the number of corporate boxes, the noise factor went down as more suits on their blackberries (iPhones now, I guess) were coming in on weeknights. Weekends were a bit better. Edmonton is less corporate than NYC, but is a bit of the same happening with the new, higher prices?

Is it the acoustics? ticket prices? iphones? all of the above? is it actually NOT quieter than Rexall and am I imagining that?

It’s quieter up top, louder down below.

The fans aren’t crazy yet for a few reasons

– Some, like me, are frankly scarred from the past 10 years. Getting hopes up and getting excited really feels like something that has to be earned and confirmed at this point.

– The Oilers gameday presentation is tired and weak. Their latest effort is to crank the music so loud it is painful. They still think you need an in-game host playing silly games and making bad jokes. The new rink announcer isn’t exactly doing his part either, though how do you replace Mark Lewis?

– Has the Edmonton crowd EVER been loud aside from the lead up to the playoffs and playoffs? Maybe when they occasionally drub Calgary or some individual player goes off…but it’s never been a consistently crazy place to see a game.

rickithebear

we have 17 gm left
cgy has 16 gm left:
we have 1 gm in hand
tonight HM to NYI

then we have 12 common games
EDM – CGY
March:
PIT Mar 10 – MTl Mar 9
MTL 12 – PIT 13
DAL 14 – BOS 15
BOS 16 – DAL 17
LAK 20 – LAK 19
—————————–
@ANA 22 – COL 27
COL 25 – LAK 29
LAK 28 – SJS 31
SJS Mar 30 – ANA Apr 2
ANA Apr 1 – @ ANA Apr 4
@ LAK 4 – @ LAK 6
@SJS 6 – @SJS 8

4 games are not common to each team.
VCR Mar 18 – @ WPG Mar 11
@ COL Mar 23 – @WSH Mar 21
@VCR Apr 8 – @ NSH MAR 23
VCR Apr 9 – @ STL Mar 25

stush18

I’m surprised we have so many unhired scouts in the comment section here lending there time to LT for free.

I get that people want to nitpick about musil, but he was a solid bet. I honestly would not have an issue with him playing as number 7/8 over oesterle/gryba.

Then again, I like defensive dmen

Melvis

One can also make a case for large draughts and a double supersized poutine creating the dietary equivalent of a frontal lobotomy… and a following snooze fest…until the blood and chiclets start flying. Then it gets loud. Often seen in perennial loser WHL towns.

Ribs

LMHF#1: – Has the Edmonton crowd EVER been loud aside from the lead up to the playoffs and playoffs? Maybe when they occasionally drub Calgary or some individual player goes off…but it’s never been a consistently crazy place to see a game.

Yeah, it’s always been a quieter rink. I’ve always felt it’s because Edmonton fans are mostly knowledgeable about when and what to cheer for. A small rush with a shot from the perimeter does not get the same attention from the crowd in Edmonton that it does elsewhere.

LMHF#1

stush18:
I’m surprised we have so many unhired scouts in the comment section here lending there time to LT for free.

I get that people want to nitpick about musil, but he was a solid bet. I honestly would not have an

Not more solid than Boone Jenner or Brandon Saad. There are times when you just let ‘the computer’ pick.

You’re not intending to put out there that scouts are a wildly qualified group are you? We’ve seen some of the people that become scouts…that’s not a winning argument. It doesn’t exactly pay or offer a lifestyle ideal for recruiting the best. Often it’s just a plum because a guy took a hit for you once upon a time.