IT DON’T COME EASY

by Lowetide

It has been an eventful day for Oilers fans, Condors fans too. Seems Peter Chiarelli and the scouts have been doing their due diligence and the result is some new hires for the farm, and some indication about how things may look in the fall.

BREAKING NEWS!

  • April 3: Bakersfield signs Ryan Mantha and Joe Gambardella to ATO’s for the rest of the season.
  • April 4: Edmonton assigns forward Jujhar Khaira to the Condors.
  • April 5: Bakersfield signs LHD Ziyat Paigin to an ATO for the rest of the season.
  • April 5: Reports have L Evan Polei also signing an ATO and a one-year AHL contract.

That’s a whole lot of things in a very short space of time. So, let’s take them one at a time and see what we can see.

  • RHD Ryan Mantha is a giant defenseman who was drafted by the NY Rangers in 2014. After two seasons, New York decided he hadn’t progressed enough and passed on signing him. He blossomed this year (65, 17-41-58) with the Niagara Ice Dogs and he’ll get a full AHL season in 2017-18. Important not to overreact to a 20-year old dominating junior, but if reports of improved development (foot speed) are true, the 6.05, 225 defender could be a real find.
  • C Joe Gambardella is a center and a fascinating addition for the Oilers. He is an aggressive forechecker and turns that skill into offense off turnovers. With an NHLE of 82, 13-25-38, he’ll be a help in Bakersfield.
  • F Jujhar Khaira is a quality player at this level, and this may be his last trip to the minors for several years. He will be waiver eligible in the fall, and it’s a good guess he lines up as 4L with the Oilers in the fall.
  • LHD Ziyat Paigin is one of the most anticipated draft picks from recent years and this ATO no doubt signals an entry-level contract in the coming days. Paigin’s handling this season was curious and I wonder if contract negotiations with Kazan Ak-Bars impacted where he spent the winter. He has been described to me as a giant (6.06, 209) defender whose offense comes mostly from his point shot. We’ll have to see how well he moves the puck, but that giant wingspan will be useful defensively.
  • L Evan Polei has been mentioned a few times on this blog over the years, his size and skill (6.02, 227 and 33 goals) are intriguing. Looks like an AHL deal and (imo) a solid player for the Condors.

TONIGHT’S LINEUP

  • Joey Laleggia-Anton Lander-Patrick Russell
  • Ryan Hamilton-Joe Gambardella-Jujhar Khaira
  • Jaedon Descheneau-Josh Currie-Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Jere Sallinen-Brodie Dupont-Scott Allen
  • Griffin Reinhart-Jordan Oesterle
  • Mark Fraser-Dillon Simpson
  • Ben Betker-Mark Fayne
  • Nick Ellis (Jonas Gustavsson)

A lot of play online about Jesse Puljujarvi playing on the 3line, but the truth is JP has been playing with Josh Currie quite a bit recently. I would rank Justin Fontaine not being in the lineup as a bigger news item, but Puljujarvi is the most important player in the minors so I get it. Gambardella is the first of the new hires, interesting to see Patrick Russell getting the push, and a reminder about not getting too upset about lineups at the beginning of the game. They could be changed by the first t.v. timeout.

NEXT YEAR CONDORS

These acquisitions give us some indications about what the Condors might look like in the fall. Here’s my estimate of the roster based on waivers, contracts and possible roles:

  • Joey Laleggia (waiver eligible)-Joe Gambardella-Justin Fontaine
  • Scott Allen-Kyle Platzer-Patrick Russell
  • Evan Polei-Josh Currie-Greg Chase
  • Braden Christoffer
  • Ziyat Paigin-Dillon Simpson
  • Caleb Jones-(veteran AHL player, less expensive Mark Fayne)
  • Ben Betker-Ethan Bear
  • Ryan Mantha
  • Nick Ellis (no backup)

We should see more NHL and AHL contracts, suspect they will come over the next several months. The key, ladies and men, is the forwards. How many F’s in tonight’s lineup are a lock for NHL careers? Not enough by plenty. There’s your need.

Note: Bakersfield loaned D Bryce Aneloski to Florida (ECHL) as part of all the movement. PS, I love this stuff! We’re searching for Larry Mavety, and it don’t come easy.

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Chachi

Professor Q: Wayning of late, though, eh?

HA!

Professor Q

Chachi: That’s too bad, occasionally you post things that are thought provoking.

Wayning of late, though, eh?

Professor Q

russ99: Baseball reference.

Good AAA player, dud major leaguer.

Ah, so *bat*teries, eh?

Chachi

Bruce Wayne: Oh, absolutely.I have long since stopped trying.When you are castigated as a fool for stating the obvious there is nothing to be done but trade insults.But don’t worry, I post less and less with each passing day.

That’s too bad, occasionally you post things that are thought provoking.

Cassandra

Woodguy v2.0: Agreed.

“fanboys” is very trollish

Oh, absolutely. I have long since stopped trying. When you are castigated as a fool for stating the obvious there is nothing to be done but trade insults. But don’t worry, I post less and less with each passing day.

Chachi

Woodguy v2.0: Agreed.

“fanboys” is very trollish

Especially when you are (mostly) right about something the quickest way to make someone discount your opinion is to insult other people while you try to make your point. I am wrong about everything, it is who I am, but I happen to insult people ALL the time so I speak from experience on this one.

Woodguy v2.0

Chachi: Does referring to people as “fanboys” make you feel better about yourself?

Agreed.

“fanboys” is very trollish

Woodguy v2.0

Ryan: Haha, I know you’re much closer to Gmoney than I am.

Yet, I’ve previously summoned him back here a few times with the Beetlejuice method, lol.

What’s also funny is that I used to disagree with/argue with him as much as anyone (you too for that matter, yet he and I (and you an I too) always got along really well in spite of that.

Gmoney, gmoney, Gmoney…

I get along (or try) with a lot of people I disagree with.

Learned lots from them too.

Its the “no content” trolls that wreck the joint.

Rocknrolla

zatch:
I need some expertise everyone. Me and some buddies are making up our All Time Teams for our favorite teams. Full playing roster and spares for each position. Each player picked is based on a particular season. Here’s what I came up with. It was hard. Any suggestions???

F1: Hall 12-13, Gretzky 85-86, Kurri 84-85
F2: Tikkanen 88-89, McDavid 16-17, Anderson 82-83
F3: Simpson 88-89, Messier 89-90, Hemsky 07-08
F4: Smyth 03-04, Weight 95-96, Eberle 11-12
SPARE: Damphousse 91-92, Carson 88-89, Murphy 91-92

D1: Pronger 05-06, Coffey 85-86
D2: Lowe 83-94, Visnovsky 08-09
D3: S. Smith 87-88, Souray 08-09
SPARE: Hamrlik 97-98, Huddy 82-83

G1: Salo 99-00
G2: Moog 84-85
SPARE: Fuhr 85-86

I am REALLY unsure about the LW and the bottom defense. Also, that 99-00 season by Tommy Salo was extremely impressive. Can some of the Greybeards help a child of ’89?

No greybeard here, but your goalies are off. Where ranford? Cujo?

russ99

Pescador: Clarity request: what does AAAA league mean?
Thx

Baseball reference.

Good AAA player, dud major leaguer.

Chachi

Bruce Wayne:
Just checked it out.Cullen absolutely crushed Oiler fanboys in those exchanges.

Best line, because it pertains to our discussion yesterday.

“Don’t let team results affect individual player evaluation.”

Or as we like to say around here:“Wins don’t matter.

Does referring to people as “fanboys” make you feel better about yourself?

Scungilli Slushy

McDavid right now is a better offensive player than Messier and Weight. But to be a better overall player, not yet. McD says Crosby is a better player, and right now he’s correct.

When McD gets the whole game down, both ends of the ice and playing well through games where they key on him and there is no room, then he’ll have few peers. Not there yet, he’s barely played a season’s worth of games.

Cassandra

Just checked it out. Cullen absolutely crushed Oiler fanboys in those exchanges.

Best line, because it pertains to our discussion yesterday.

“Don’t let team results affect individual player evaluation.”

Or as we like to say around here: “Wins don’t matter.

Chachi

frjohnk:
My twitter time line absolutely blew up last night over the Hall Larsson trade.

LT, you are gonna have to ask Scott Cullen about the trade next time he is on your show.

Yeah, Cullen referred to Larsson as a “passenger” on the Oilers. That was bound to stir the pot.

frjohnk

My twitter time line absolutely blew up last night over the Hall Larsson trade.

LT, you are gonna have to ask Scott Cullen about the trade next time he is on your show.

JD_Wry

Lloyd B.: CB identifier

I believe that’s called a ‘handle’, good buddy.

What’s your 10-20?

Lloyd B.

Pescador: What does the B stand for?
Banks

I’m one of the very few guys that uses his real name here. We do know some of the folks real names here.

None of the trolls of course.

I hate the anonymous stuff the internet lets folks hide behind.

The B. shall remain my own. It is my last name. It’s not Banks.

I am thinking of changing my name to Digger Odele. (How would I do that LT? I understand it’s a PITA at your end)

My father passed away a year ago and his CB identifier was Digger Odele.

For you youngins… CB was the forerunner of the cell phone.

JD_Wry

Pescador:
The Original JDI,

I still like him better then Tambellini

Also:

Hitler >>> Stalin

’74 Mustang II >>> ’74 Vega

The Six Million Dollar Man >>> The Fall Guy

Lucky Lager >>> Urine (preferably your own)

Kenny Rogers >>> Kenny Loggins

Foege Foegele Torpe

Lloyd B.: So next year then.

Na, I’m pretty confident it will be this Saturday

Foege Foegele Torpe

Lloyd B.: So next year then.

What does the B stand for?
Banks

Foege Foegele Torpe

Chachi: Your brain seems to be working just fine.

Sa

Chachi: Your brain seems to be working just fine.

I love this place

Lloyd B.

Pescador: I posted this in a previous thread,
I would call him up for 1 more game. The one after Talbot has the new team record for wins, the one after Connor has secured all the Trophies he deserves & The one after the Oilers have secured home ice. So Vancouver it is hopefully the first one

So next year then.

Lloyd B.

Lowetide: Great question. I have been wondering if he might get the call, has to come soon if they want to get him another regular season game.

JP is better off with the Condors for their run. Once their season is over they can bring him up to soak up the atmosphere and gets free tix to NHL playoffs !!

Bringing him up now to sit in the press box doesn’t help him nor the Oilers.

Ryan

Woodguy v2.0: COME BACK GMONEY!

Haha, I know you’re much closer to Gmoney than I am.

Yet, I’ve previously summoned him back here a few times with the Beetlejuice method, lol.

What’s also funny is that I used to disagree with/argue with him as much as anyone (you too for that matter, yet he and I (and you an I too) always got along really well in spite of that.

Gmoney, gmoney, Gmoney…

Foege Foegele Torpe

Lowetide: Great question. I have been wondering if he might get the call, has to come soon if they want to get him another regular season game.

I posted this in a previous thread,
I would call him up for 1 more game. The one after Talbot has the new team record for wins, the one after Connor has secured all the Trophies he deserves & The one after the Oilers have secured home ice. So Vancouver it is hopefully the first one

Foege Foegele Torpe

The Original JDI,

I understand
The Original JDI: You start with a smell that just won’t go away, put the best winger at center for a while, call out your starting goaler in the media, sign a slow KHL defender, hand the 1RD spot to a soft rookie, and have them coached by an ego maniacal rookie coach with a bunch of known unknowns. Or was that unknown knowns?

My bad…

I still like him better then Tambellini

Chachi

Pescador: Everyone knows that A, Aaronson.
Obscure Simpson reference, Patti & Selma with the phone book. What is wrong with my brain?

Your brain seems to be working just fine.

Foege Foegele Torpe

Chachi: I think AAAA means it appears first in the phone book.

Everyone knows that A, Aaronson.
Obscure Simpson reference, Patti & Selma with the phone book. What is wrong with my brain?

Chachi

Pescador: Clarity request: what does AAAA league mean?
Thx

I think AAAA means it appears first in the phone book.

JD_Wry

leadfarmer: Now do an all time Oilers crap team

You start with a smell that just won’t go away, put the best winger at center for a while, call out your starting goaler in the media, sign a slow KHL defender, hand the 1RD spot to a soft rookie, and have them coached by an ego maniacal rookie coach with a bunch of known unknowns. Or was that unknown knowns?

My bad…

jp

godot10: Stats are overrated sometimes, particularly when comparing “live” puck goaltenders with the “dead” puck goaltenders. Fuhr is arguably as good or better than any goaltender who has ever played.

zatch:
godot10,

This is one of those things where people don’t budge haha.

My other controversial hot take is that Richards 50 in 50 is the most overrated achievement in pro sports. Dude was playing in a AAAA league.

Fuhr was regarded as probably the best goalie in the world in the late 80s. His 87-88 season – lead the league in GP and wins. 1st team all-star, won the Vezina and the cup, and 2nd in Hart trophy voting. Also Team Canada’s goalie and all-star at the Canada cup that year. I’d take that over Salo.

And say what you will about The Rocket’s 50 in 50, but no one else did it for 36 yrs, and only 4 others have ever done it (all in a much higher scoring era). The #2 scorer that year had 32 goals. Strongly disagree it’s an overrated achievement.

Foege Foegele Torpe

zatch:
godot10,

This is one of those things where people don’t budge haha.

My other controversial hot take is that Richards 50 in 50 is the most overrated achievement in pro sports. Dude was playing in a AAAA league.

Clarity request: what does AAAA league mean?
Thx

Lloyd B.

Professor Q: Wings would definitely be tough, too!

Kind of my point. Maybe they haven’t heard of Gordie Howe if they are young enough. Or have been hiding under a rock.

Professor Q

Lloyd B.: Tough exercise for sure.Hopefully the Habs gal is young ! Very young !

You need to hope all the folks in your game picking the original 6 teams are young. Even the leafs guy.Particularly the leafs guy!!

Wings would definitely be tough, too!

Lloyd B.

zatch:
Lloyd B.,

Ah, see the idea was, if you could pluck out a roster of guys from your team from seasons in history, who would you take. It’s not a career aggregate thing. I think McDavid leading the league pushes him over the top.

I shudder to think what the Habs gal is gonna bring to the table. We might load em up into NHL 17 and see what happens haha.

Tough exercise for sure. Hopefully the Habs gal is young ! Very young !

You need to hope all the folks in your game picking the original 6 teams are young. Even the leafs guy. Particularly the leafs guy!! 🙂

zatch

godot10,

This is one of those things where people don’t budge haha.

My other controversial hot take is that Richards 50 in 50 is the most overrated achievement in pro sports. Dude was playing in a AAAA league.

zatch

Lloyd B.,

Ah, see the idea was, if you could pluck out a roster of guys from your team from seasons in history, who would you take. It’s not a career aggregate thing. I think McDavid leading the league pushes him over the top.

I shudder to think what the Habs gal is gonna bring to the table. We might load em up into NHL 17 and see what happens haha.

godot10

zatch:
leadfarmer,

godot10,

I feel like this team is too heavy on the 80s but I sense a generation gap thing there. I can’t judge. Except for Fuhr. His numbers were typically meh his whole career. This is one a lot of other fans bases mock Edmonton for (as in Fuhr is the worst goalie in the HoF)

Stats are overrated sometimes, particularly when comparing “live” puck goaltenders with the “dead” puck goaltenders. Fuhr is arguably as good or better than any goaltender who has ever played.

Lloyd B.

zatch:
Lloyd B.,

McDavid is having a better season than Weight or Messier had from a scoring perspective. Part of the exercise was also taking one season per player per team. So when I look at it, I don’t think Messier ever had a season as good as McDavid is now. It’s razor thin of course. I had a lot of trouble with that decision, and I think I liked McDavid as the 2C and Mess on the 3C too much. Weight certainly wasn’t close.

It’s a bit tough, because context DOES matter. My Canucks friend left Cliff Ronning off because although he had a very good season (for a Canucks C; that franchises struggles can be explained by looking at their C history) he was zoomed almost completely by Bure.

Anyway, as they say on TV Tropes, Your Mileage May Vary (YMMV)

My mileage does vary. 🙂

Messier had six seasons over 100 points. 129 in 89/90.

zatch

leadfarmer,

CuJo and Arnott were not as good as you remember. Or I remembered. They were my childhood heroes, to the point my lucky number is 38, their numbers combined. Klima came close. I think people forget how good that Salo season was.

godot10,

I feel like this team is too heavy on the 80s but I sense a generation gap thing there. I can’t judge. Except for Fuhr. His numbers were typically meh his whole career. This is one a lot of other fans bases mock Edmonton for (as in Fuhr is the worst goalie in the HoF)

Professor Q

Wrong rubber to use in that area, Gus.

Lloyd B.

godot10: Fuhr
Ranford
Joseph

Coffey, Huddy
Lowe, Pronger
Gregg, Larsson
Ruotsalainen

Tikkanen, Gretzky, Kurri
Hall, Messier, Anderson
Smyth, Weight, Hemsky
Simpson, McDavid, Eberle
Hunter, MacTavish

Thats very good. Goalies are in much better (and correct) order.

leadfarmer

zatch,

Cujo, Arnott, Klima maybe? Al Hamilton probably deserves a nod

Now do an all time Oilers crap team

speeds

LT (or anyone): Do you think playing Khaira on RW is a tell that JP may be heading to EDM, or unrelated to that and that’s just where they thought it was best to slot him in?

Professor Q

Professor Q:
Puljüjarvi was playing well there.

Nice goal by Gambit.

This was an auto correct mistake, but hey, it works.

zatch

Lloyd B.,

McDavid is having a better season than Weight or Messier had from a scoring perspective. Part of the exercise was also taking one season per player per team. So when I look at it, I don’t think Messier ever had a season as good as McDavid is now. It’s razor thin of course. I had a lot of trouble with that decision, and I think I liked McDavid as the 2C and Mess on the 3C too much. Weight certainly wasn’t close.

It’s a bit tough, because context DOES matter. My Canucks friend left Cliff Ronning off because although he had a very good season (for a Canucks C; that franchises struggles can be explained by looking at their C history) he was zoomed almost completely by Bure.

Anyway, as they say on TV Tropes, Your Mileage May Vary (YMMV)

godot10

zatch:
I need some expertise everyone. Me and some buddies are making up our All Time Teams for our favorite teams. Full playing roster and spares for each position. Each player picked is based on a particular season. Here’s what I came up with. It was hard. Any suggestions???

F1: Hall 12-13, Gretzky 85-86, Kurri 84-85
F2: Tikkanen 88-89, McDavid 16-17, Anderson 82-83
F3: Simpson 88-89, Messier 89-90, Hemsky 07-08
F4: Smyth 03-04, Weight 95-96, Eberle 11-12
SPARE: Damphousse 91-92, Carson 88-89, Murphy 91-92

D1: Pronger 05-06, Coffey 85-86
D2: Lowe 83-94, Visnovsky 08-09
D3: S. Smith 87-88, Souray 08-09
SPARE: Hamrlik 97-98, Huddy 82-83

G1: Salo 99-00
G2: Moog 84-85
SPARE: Fuhr 85-86

I am REALLY unsure about the LW and the bottom defense. Also, that 99-00 season by Tommy Salo was extremely impressive. Can some of the Greybeards help a child of ’89?

Fuhr
Ranford
Joseph

Coffey, Huddy
Lowe, Pronger
Gregg, Larsson
Ruotsalainen

Tikkanen, Gretzky, Kurri
Hall, Messier, Anderson
Smyth, Weight, Hemsky
Simpson, McDavid, Eberle
Hunter, MacTavish

EDIT: if you want 8D, and 15F, then add Steve Smith and Shawn Horcoff

zatch

frjohnk,
Thanks. I tried to stay pretty objective, with some subjectivity. Salo was 13th in SP that year while playing 70 games and was 10 points above average SP. Talbot is 13th, with 71 games played (so far) but is closer to the pack. That Moog season was 19 (!!!!!) points above average, and he was 3rd in SP but he only played 39 games. I may move Talbot into the spare position over Fuhr.

Is the order of the LW’s right? I’m unsure about Tikkanen and Simpson’s overall ability, although from what I’ve been told, Tikka was a solid 2 way player. Was Smyth better than Simpson?