HEART ATTACK CENTRAL

by Lowetide

Today, we’re going to talk about respect. The Edmonton Oilers haven’t had a lot of it since Brent Burns arrived in the NHL, since Joe Thornton hit the left coast. Games like last night are going to help this team’s reputation, because the loss at Rogers Place hurt those San Jose veterans badly. An NHL player, even a great one, only gets so many chances at Stanley. For a man like Joe Thornton, the thought of losing one of his 20 bullets to the Edmonton Oilers must be pure battery acid to the soul. Make no mistake: Last night hurt. Respect. Hard earned and not easily given.

THE NUMBERS BY PERIOD

  • First Period: 2-1 SJS, shots 16-13 again favoring San Jose. Corsi for 5×5 is 33-23 Edmonton.
  • Second Period:1-1 tie, shots 13-5 Edmonton and Corsi for is 18-9 Oilers.
  • Third Period: 1-0 Edmonton, shots 8-7 EDM and Corsi for 5×5 17-15 favored the Oilers.
  • Overtime: 1-0 Edmonton, 14-2 Oilers and Corsi for 5×5 27-7 favored the Oilers.
  • Overall: 4-3 Edmonton, Oilers led in shots 48-30 and in Corsi for 5×5 95-54

The Oilers were quality throught three periods, and completely dominated the overtime. No matter the result, we would be talking about mostly good on-ice results today. Of course, the win is the only thing that really mattered. The crowd was wild. Not enough coffee in the world to get me back to do this morning. Don’t care. This is so good.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom-Larsson went 24-14 in 18:37 together, and 15-10 with the Nuge line. Pairing went 23-11 against the Marleau-Thornton-Pavelski line, that’s some major league dominance. Oscar’s shot was a pure rocket, this guy is going to have a helluva career. Steady play by Larsson, the pairing kept the puck moving effectively. Larsson made a strange line change on the second goal against, I went back and looked because it was a weird play. He should have had time there, but the puck kept bouncing. Larsson the culprit or bad luck? Was also in photo on the first GA, I choose to focus on the turnover as the demon, your mileage may vary.
  • Sekera-Russell went 31-16 in 18:55 together, and 7-4 with McDavid’s line. Impressive. Russell spent a few minutes doing that re-set thing, but he also got the puck to Sekera often for the breakout and that’s a good deal. Went 17-4 against Karlsson-Hertl-Meier.
  • Nurse-Benning went 20-17 together including 8-1 with Desharnais. The pairing struggled with the McDavid line, plenty of false starts and chasing the cycle in their own end. Nurse iced the puck during OT when he didn’t have to, that’s a reflection of a young player who is under stress. It’s a learning process for both men, Benning has been the better recently. Two posts for Nurse, two assists for Benning, and both men can wheel and were using that skill in last night’s game. Darnell made a nice defensive play against Marleau net front in OT. Pairing went 10-3 against Jansen-Couture-Ward.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 27 of 30, .900SP on the evening. The goals were great chances that cashed, I counted three stellar saves early on in the game that could have counted.
  • Numbers via NHL.com, Natural Stat Trick and Hockey Stats.ca.

MCDAVID LINE

  • McDavid had several brilliant chances and dished to linemates who couldn’t get it done (Caggiula slot as an example). Although the boxscore says just one assist, 97 was in and around the action all night long. He is the best player on planet earth, he and Leon are magic.
  • The line went 33-18 against Vlasic in 21:10, McDavid playing 80 percent of the game against that top SJS pairing. Lots of talk about getting 97 away from Vlasic, but DeBoer did a good job of getting that matchup even on the road.
  • The line had 12 shots on goal, that’s excellent production.
  • Leon Draisaitl’s pass for the winner was Dougie Weight splendid, just a gorgeous bit of creativity and execution. His PP pass to Letestu was exactly the same. Big night for Leon.He is going to get paid this summer, and I think he is going to play the heart of his Oilers career at RW on McDavid’s line (and taking faceoffs) for at least one more year.
  • Caggiula had five shots on goal, he was inside on a lot of plays. Especially effective in extra time, where the Oilers speed was absolutely devastating to the mature Sharks. I’m not sure he stays on this line, and remain uncertain of his actual offensive outer marker, but he can scoot and win pucks.

NUGE LINE

  • Nuge was fantastic last night to my eye, he was all over the ice and interescting with the play. This line isn’t scoring but are doing a fine job defensively and getting looks. He had a brilliant chance in overtime, the Hockey Gods must be saving his first goal for a really big moment.
  • Line went 13-7 against Martin-Burns and 6-1 against Vlasic-Braun.
  • Lucic was a freight train, couldn’t corral the puck on GA No. 2 but I saw him good otherwise.
  • Eberle is playing the best two-way hockey of his life in my opinion. Timely.
  • The line had 9 shots on goal.

LETESTU LINE

  • Two vital goals came from this line, Maroon doorstep and Letestu on the power play.
  • Went 3-7 against Martin-Burns, 6-2 against Dillon-Schlemko.
  • This line had 7 shots on goal, great production for a 3line.
  • Letestu scored a goal later, but sent a hand grenade to Kassian (who didn’t play it well) for the first San Jose goal.
  • Kassian was an excellent screen on the Klefbom goal, as pointed out by Louie DeBrusk who is having a fine series. Louie has managed (imo) to point out important things on the ice and explain them in real time, tough thing for a broadcaster to do consistently.
  • Maroon scored a Maroon goal, but didn’t get the memo on penalties 5,000 feet from your own net. I suspect he’ll be back on the big line soon.

DESHARNAIS LINE

  • Holy hell David Desharnais! He came on with a better effort in recent games, but was the one man in the lineup most vulnerable to a HS in my opinion. Credit to Todd McLellan for keeping him in, and credit to the veteran for staying with it through the struggles.
  • The assist was a nice one, he set the table for the Klef bomb nicely. The goal was great execution, but also strong offensive instincts. Lordy.
  • Sports is a lot about memories. You and I will share the Desharnais OT winner forever, it’s written in time. Just as the Roloson save or the Marchant goal or the Tikkanen overtime goal are a part of us forever, so too the Desharnais marker.
  • The possession numbers for this line are ridiculous.
  • Line went 9-4 against Martin-Burns.

The Oilers were thunder and lightning against the Sharks in overtime. Very few sequences in Edmonton’s end and offensively they came in waves and put the puck in good places. I watched the overtime again this morning, that period of hockey represents the best this team has offered us all year long. Devastating hockey.

PLAYOFF STATS

Cam Talbot has a .920SP and a 2.24 GAA, Connor McDavid and Mark Letestu are 5gp, 1-2-3 to lead the team and Oscar Klefbom plus Zack Kassian have two goals to lead the club. Lucic is 1-1-2 and Leon got his first two points of the series last night, two stunning assists. We wait for Nuge and Eberle, perhaps Saturday.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

All guests of the Lowdown are running on little sleep, so this should be as loose as Neil Young at the Fillmore! 10 this morning, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. Oilers win in overtime and take a 3-2 series lead. Can they close on Saturday?
  • Andy McNamara, TSN. The NFL draft is just around the corner, are there clues about how the top of the draft will roll out?
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Should the Oilers stay with Caggiula on the top unit or bring back Maroon?
  • Paul Almerica, SSE. How far can these Oilers go?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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Spengler

fanaddict,

I love this place!

fanaddict

Spengler,

Often forgotten is the redistribution of municipal and education property taxes over 20 years.
https://www.edmonton.ca/documents/PDF/SIGNED_BYLAW_16521_Reduced.pdf
The municipal portion of the medium estimate of 941M is roughly 3/4s of 941M and the education property taxes are the rest. The incremental assessment growth in which municipal and education property taxes would normally be requisitioned can only be reinvested into the CRL area over the course of 20 years. The tax payers in the rest of Edmonton do not see a benefit of this growth for spending directly in their community. The education property tax portion of revenues are redistributed across the rest of Alberta’s taxable assessment base. It is difficult to accurately calculate what this cost would be. However, if the Oilers win the cup, who cares. 😉

Frank the dog

Bag of Pucks: Frank, I think it depends where you sit. I’ve attended games this season in a suite, on loge level, and with my buddy’s tickets on the upper concourse. The lineups for the latter were excessive imo as was the congestion in the concourse btw periods.

I’m not saying you are wrong, I was on the upper concourse and didn’t have that problem when I was there. Maybe they did something to help. Did you see notices asking people to use the toilet stalls to ease congestion, or the stars on the floor telling them where to wait for empty stalls, or the instruction signs? Maybe that made a difference. I was pleasantly surprised.

T0ML

If its not that, people will be bitching about other things. Take into account the remainder Katz has paid in the surrounding areas as well, so not paying for the Arena in its entirety, but is bankrolling a substantial amount of the surrounding area if I am not mistaken?

Ducey: There is a ticket surcharge of $125 million, and the CRL is already triple what the original estimates were just based on Katz’s projects alone. This doesn’t even count all the ancillary benefits, condo’s etc. The arena was a great investment and will return all the money paid by the poor taxpayers, and then some. It has been, and will be a major boost to the downtown.

There are very cities anywhere that have $3+ billion in construction going on in their downtown core.This is not being paid for by the City, but will boost the tax base significantly.

Even Paula Simons got off her May Day float long enough to admit she was wrong in opposing the arena.

So give it up already.

I find it bizarre that we can spend $88 million on an art gallery with an ongoing cost of $3 million a year that no one goes to, or $200 million in a overpass that fills up in a year, but if the City builds an arena that will pay for itself in all possible ways, people have to bitch about it.

Lucinius

The return of Nazem Kadri the dirty.

Brutal hit on Ovie. Went down so low and got Ovie in the knee. Only two minutes is fairly criminal; especially with Ovie looking very hurt (the guy does not go down easy). Could be real bad for the Caps, even though the scored on the two minute powerplay (tripping call; real joke).

Ducey

Bag of Pucks: Entire arena project cost $604.5 million. Katz kicked in $130M. CoE has a taxable population of 812,000 and change.

So, 0.000000000001%? Probably not the most accurate math we’ve seen on this site.

There is a ticket surcharge of $125 million, and the CRL is already triple what the original estimates were just based on Katz’s projects alone. This doesn’t even count all the ancillary benefits, condo’s etc. The arena was a great investment and will return all the money paid by the poor taxpayers, and then some. It has been, and will be a major boost to the downtown.

There are very cities anywhere that have $3+ billion in construction going on in their downtown core. This is not being paid for by the City, but will boost the tax base significantly.

Even Paula Simons got off her May Day float long enough to admit she was wrong in opposing the arena.

So give it up already.

I find it bizarre that we can spend $88 million on an art gallery with an ongoing cost of $3 million a year that no one goes to, or $200 million in a overpass that fills up in a year, but if the City builds an arena that will pay for itself in all possible ways, people have to bitch about it.

OilClog

Professor Q: Like spacesuit vacuums?

You would figure the most glorious building in the world would have such simple seat necessities

Professor Q

Nuclear leak:
The fact there isn’t a hose you can attach to your fly while in your seat is completely unacceptable

Like spacesuit vacuums?

OilClog

https://youtu.be/t0ofhhiVB14

If we’re pushing moustaches

OilClog

The fact there isn’t a hose you can attach to your fly while in your seat is completely unacceptable

Woodguy v2.0

Crazy Pedestrian: Moustaches!!!

https://youtu.be/bBeSi-ODfJk

Well that’s just goddam fantastic!

dustrock

Bag of Pucks: I said further up the thread that the resultant commercial development from the Katz Group has been equitable return for the public funding of the arena.

But at the end of the day, this building was largely funded by taxpayer dollars with no taxpayer input in the design. Katz did what billionaire’s do. He built his pleasure palace with other people’s money and we signed over both the majority of the construction funds AND the longterm building revenues. If that’s an amazing deal for the taxpayer in your eyes, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on that point.

The one question that never gets asked is why it was equitable for Katz to leverage the hockey team to extract the gate revenues for concerts and live events in perpetuity? Quite frankly, the 3 card monte that Katz played on Northlands was one of the all time classic grifts. They should teach it in business schools for the rest of the century. They could call it “How to turn one of the busiest concert venues in North America into a parking lot.”

ehhh I’ll edit out all the arena debate stuff. It’s dead, although I’ll never forgive Katz for the Seattle stuff.

Anyway, the problems with lines at the bathrooms have been reported ever since the preseason and first concerts. They are obvious, there is no long-term solution, and it’s pretty pathetic, given how much schmaltz we had to wade through about how “we looked at all the great buildings in the history of mankind: the Colosseum, the Taj Mahal, the Hagia Sophia. This will top them all.”

In conclusion, it’s sure fun to have nothing to complain about with the team! 😀

Spengler

Bag of Pucks: Entire arena project cost $604.5 million. Katz kicked in $130M. CoE has a taxable population of 812,000 and change.

So, 0.000000000001%? Probably not the most accurate math we’ve seen on this site.

Back of envelope math puts it at 0.0000004994% per edmonton taxpayer. Once one factors out the $125 million ticket surcharge which is only paid by those buying tickets, and not favoring in the $1.5 million per year that surcharge pays back to the city.

Not arguing for or against the deal. Just running the numbers.

Statsman

Professor Q:
Burns, Karlsson, or Hedman for the Norris?

What! No Justin Schultz?????

Crazy Pedestrian

Woodguy v2.0: I agree that’s a hell of mustache.

Moustaches!!!

https://youtu.be/bBeSi-ODfJk

Bag of Pucks

A’bunadh: Each individual city resident probably paid 0.000000000001% of the cost of the buiilding and receive access to probably 75% of it.

Entire arena project cost $604.5 million. Katz kicked in $130M. CoE has a taxable population of 812,000 and change.

So, 0.000000000001%? Probably not the most accurate math we’ve seen on this site.

Bag of Pucks

russ99: As a non-Edmontonian, I don’t have the perspective that you guys do, but in my years of reading about the subject, it seems to me Northlands was one of the all time classic grifts.

Here there’s no lack of transparency and the city gets a decent cut of the profits, not a “non-profit” using altruistic means to squeeze a fortune and making sure the city fathers are part of the club so they can keep the racket going.

You’re right, there’s been systemic graft in the concert biz in Edmonton for years. It really makes you wonder why municipalities aren’t more effective in self monetizing these venues. Possibly something in their charter that prevents them from being fully hands on?

Caller Zen

After watching it first thing this morning, I’m still loving this gif of a DeBoer!
https://mobile.twitter.com/PeteBlackburn/status/855294584062005248/photo/1

Bag of Pucks

Frank the dog:
Bag of Pucks,

I just popped out during a commercial break. No line at all.
When I went at the start of an intermission there were long lines in both direction to the door but they moved fast enough that it was only a couple of minutes to get in.
That stadium is a ridiculously positive experience from start to finish.

Frank, I think it depends where you sit. I’ve attended games this season in a suite, on loge level, and with my buddy’s tickets on the upper concourse. The lineups for the latter were excessive imo as was the congestion in the concourse btw periods.

Frank the dog

Bag of Pucks,

I just popped out during a commercial break. No line at all.
When I went at the start of an intermission there were long lines in both direction to the door but they moved fast enough that it was only a couple of minutes to get in.
That stadium is a ridiculously positive experience from start to finish.

Woodguy v2.0

npanciroli:
Woodguy v2.0,

Not without Larsson’s moustache!

I agree that’s a hell of a mustache.

Younger Oil

I realized something today that made the past decade seem a bit better:

The Oilers have won as many playoff series since the lockout as both the Blues and the Stars.

russ99

Bag of Pucks: I said further up the thread that the resultant commercial development from the Katz Group has been equitable return for the public funding of the arena.

But at the end of the day, this building was largely funded by taxpayer dollars with no taxpayer input in the design. Katz did what billionaire’s do. He built his pleasure palace with other people’s money and we signed over both the majority of the construction funds AND the longterm building revenues. If that’s an amazing deal for the taxpayer in your eyes, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on that point.

The one question that never gets asked is why it was equitable for Katz to leverage the hockey team to extract the gate revenues for concerts and live events in perpetuity? Quite frankly, the 3 card monte that Katz played on Northlands was one of the all time classic grifts. They should teach it in business schools for the rest of the century. They could call it “How to turn one of the busiest concert venues in North America into a parking lot.”

As a non-Edmontonian, I don’t have the perspective that you guys do, but in my years of reading about the subject, it seems to me Northlands was one of the all time classic grifts.

Here there’s no lack of transparency and the city gets a decent cut of the profits, not a “non-profit” using altruistic means to squeeze a fortune and making sure the city fathers are part of the club so they can keep the racket going.

npanciroli

Woodguy v2.0,

Not without Larsson’s moustache!

Woodguy v2.0

CrazyCoach: You’re right.

What does everyone think of the Taylor Hall trade now?

*ducks*

Oilers would have swept the Flames in the first round after winning the Pacific in a walk.

Chachi

Pescador: Fuck those guys,
wish I was those guys

Exactly!

SwedishPoster

Klefbom really learned into his equalizer. I guess since he’s from a part of Sweden that translates to Hammer Island the proper way to describe it is as a hammer. He told media it was the hardest shot of his career, hell of a time to blast that kind of rocket.

I had to go to work when the OT started so I followed it on my phone, man oh man it was nervewrecking.

blainer

Strapping Jocks:
So, I am out in Ottawa, and the wife had to fly to San Francisco early this morning. So watched a bit of the game and had it on PVR when I went to bed. But didn’t realize it was only set to tape until the scheduled end!So no Overtime recorded!!!!

Anyone know where/how I could watch it????

nhlreplays.com

This is what I use when travelling with no PVR. Doesn’t usually get posted until the next day but last nights game is there. Just click on the calender and it should come up.

Bag of Pucks

Ducey: The taxpayer, the City and the fan is doing incredibly well as a result of this deal.

And it was always designed to have exclusive access. You have to pay a ton to get in. Does the fact that you don’t get equal access to a toilet matter?

The fact it is“publically funded” is irrelevant. That is just the platform for your outrage.

You think the City should have only funded a chunk up front contingent on the number of bathrooms available to the impoverished masses who pay hundreds and thousands of dollars to go to games?

This is not about access to food. We are not dealing with some people under a disability.

Its entertainment.

People will vote with their attendance. If they stop going to games because they can’t “go”, the Oilers will make sure they add more toilets. Or maybe people will pay more so they can go to the exclusive areas. Or maybe people just won’t pound 8 beers and will go a whole 3 hrs without going to the washroom. Or maybe they miss 5 minutes of game action to take a pee.

Of the things to worry about in this world, this is not on the list.

I said further up the thread that the resultant commercial development from the Katz Group has been equitable return for the public funding of the arena.

But at the end of the day, this building was largely funded by taxpayer dollars with no taxpayer input in the design. Katz did what billionaire’s do. He built his pleasure palace with other people’s money and we signed over both the majority of the construction funds AND the longterm building revenues. If that’s an amazing deal for the taxpayer in your eyes, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on that point.

The one question that never gets asked is why it was equitable for Katz to leverage the hockey team to extract the gate revenues for concerts and live events in perpetuity? Quite frankly, the 3 card monte that Katz played on Northlands was one of the all time classic grifts. They should teach it in business schools for the rest of the century. They could call it “How to turn one of the busiest concert venues in North America into a parking lot.”

Pescador

Chachi: Nope, didn’t miss it at all. Way less people in a Canadian airport at any one time looking to use a bathroom than at a hockey game so it is a terrible analogy from the start, but the additional bathrooms in the private lounge of an airport are probably equivalent to the additional bathrooms available to fancy ticket holders at Rogers Place.

Fuck those guys,
wish I was those guys

CrazyCoach

Ducey: Of the things to worry about in this world, this is not on the list.

You’re right.

What does everyone think of the Taylor Hall trade now?

*ducks*

Chachi

N64: you missed “dramatically less”. can’t recall economy class flyers wishing they could walk past the many washrooms to use those lounge washroom because of long lines. Nor than many first class passengers leaving the gate area and walking to the lounge just to hit the facilities quicker.

Nope, didn’t miss it at all. Way less people in a Canadian airport at any one time looking to use a bathroom than at a hockey game so it is a terrible analogy from the start, but the additional bathrooms in the private lounge of an airport are probably equivalent to the additional bathrooms available to fancy ticket holders at Rogers Place.

bendelson

Well… clearly, I am in the minority of Oiler fans attending games this season: I have not waited in a line-up for a washroom (OK, once or twice there may have been a 10 second wait), nor have I waited in a line-up for beer (outside of the pre-game at Molson House where there will be a line-up), all season. I don’t pay for any ‘special access’ whatsoever and break no rules – I just got to really know the building early and take advantage of it game in and game out. The quality of the ice aside, I love the new building – full stop. I see the issues people are taking about – and avoid them, with minimal effort.

Note: Word is they have converted at least one women’s facility over to an additional men’s washroom to try to address the issue… and more tweaks will likely follow.
____

That game last night was incredible. What a wild ride. It bested the last game I attended – game two of this series, and that is REALLY saying something!

Good times!
Woot! Woot!

Professor Q

JDI Хоккей: Close your eyes and think of Engelland.

This amused me.

JD_Wry

Admiral Ackbar:
Professor Q,

There should be a NHL award for most beautiful dman. Oscar Klefbom wins that every time

Close your eyes and think of Engelland.

Ducey

commonfan14: But remember that time Hall got traded?

Turns out we don’t need to worry about that either.

N64

Chachi: There are washrooms (some with showers) in the premium lounges in all airports big enough to have them. If you aren’t willing to pay to access the lounge then you can’t use the bathrooms.

I think it is stupid though from a revenue sense that potential beer and souvenir buying patrons at the arena are wasting all of their inebriated free time during intermissions waiting in the line for the bathroom. I suspect if the OEG does the math on the revenue they have potentially lost because of this, they will push for early renos to the arena to add more toilets.

you missed “dramatically less”. can’t recall economy class flyers wishing they could walk past the many washrooms to use those lounge washroom because of long lines. Nor than many first class passengers leaving the gate area and walking to the lounge just to hit the facilities quicker.

Chachi

N64: Show me an publicly financed airport where economy class gets dramatically less washroom access than full fare.

There are washrooms (some with showers) in the premium lounges in all airports big enough to have them. If you aren’t willing to pay to access the lounge then you can’t use the bathrooms.

I think it is stupid though from a revenue sense that potential beer and souvenir buying patrons at the arena are wasting all of their inebriated free time during intermissions waiting in the line for the bathroom. I suspect if the OEG does the math on the revenue they have potentially lost because of this, they will push for early renos to the arena to add more toilets.

commonfan29

N64: Ducey: Of the things to worry about in this world, this is not on the list.
That covers pretty much 99.999% of anything on any blog.

But remember that time Hall got traded?

khildahl

N64,

Do non-economy passengers on repeatedly publically-subsidized Air Canada flights not receive extra perks?

Regardless, people in the cheap seats at Rogers don’t have restricted access to washrooms. There are plenty. There is, however, an absurd flaw in the building in that the designers gave no consideration to the way people move around and wait in lines.

npanciroli

Larsson for Norris!

N64

Ducey: Of the things to worry about in this world, this is not on the list.

That covers pretty much 99.999% of anything on any blog.

A’bunadh: It’s like suggesting that all Canadians should be able to sit in first class on a Bombardier plane without paying extra for it because because.

Show me an publicly financed airport where economy class gets dramatically less washroom access than full fare.

Private airlines on the other hand can be as stupid as they want within local law:

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2015/10/30/economy-flier-arrested-for-using-business-class-bathroom.html

A'bunadh

Yeti: I think his point was that people have paid for it. Construction was heavily subsidized. So many parts of the building should have access to all. And, no, he’s not talking about the free food.

Each individual city resident probably paid 0.000000000001% of the cost of the buiilding and receive access to probably 75% of it. Not sure how that isn’t a fair deal. On top of that, you are purchasing a ticket to an Oiler event, not a building tour. Suite, loge, sky and sportsnet tickets pay more to fund the “event” and in return receive subsequent perks, which include less bathroom lineups. Why the hell would anyone pay more money if they didn’t receive the perks that went with it?
It’s like suggesting that all Canadians should be able to sit in first class on a Bombardier plane without paying extra for it because because.

jm363561

N64: You’d think their margin on beer could justify access to wherever they put the public washrooms

Maybe the business model projected drink prices high, low volumes consumed, hence reduced pressure (no pun intended) on washroom facilities. This fucking play off run is having all sorts of unintended consequences.

Jethro Tull

Let’s not go down the ‘publicly funded’ route. Therein lies ‘why should i pay taxes for roads when i don’t have a car and schools for kids i don’t have, even though i could have both if i want.’

Ducey

Bag of Pucks: An automobile is not a public building majority funded by taxpayers. The reason professional sports owners have been able to foist their elitist-centric revenue models on fans is because you so willingly drink the kool-aid. Sports used to be an egalitarian pastime whose attendees cut across all socio/economic demographics. Now it’s a predominantly corporate enterprise with the so called ‘second tier’ of non-attendees comprising the actual vast majority of fans. We’ve lost something as a society as a result imho.

I have zero problem with paying for services. What I take issue with is taxpayer funding of a building that’s designed to prohibit access to the vast majority of taxpayers. And don’t kid yourself, the OEG knew in granular detail how this market breaks down economically. This was a conscious decision to design a building for 10% of the population whilst 100% pay for it.

And I challenge anyone to delineate a tenable argument that justifies attendees having to pay a premium for acceptable washroom infrastructure.

The taxpayer, the City and the fan is doing incredibly well as a result of this deal.

And it was always designed to have exclusive access. You have to pay a ton to get in. Does the fact that you don’t get equal access to a toilet matter?

The fact it is “publically funded” is irrelevant. That is just the platform for your outrage.

You think the City should have only funded a chunk up front contingent on the number of bathrooms available to the impoverished masses who pay hundreds and thousands of dollars to go to games?

This is not about access to food. We are not dealing with some people under a disability.

Its entertainment.

People will vote with their attendance. If they stop going to games because they can’t “go”, the Oilers will make sure they add more toilets. Or maybe people will pay more so they can go to the exclusive areas. Or maybe people just won’t pound 8 beers and will go a whole 3 hrs without going to the washroom. Or maybe they miss 5 minutes of game action to take a pee.

Of the things to worry about in this world, this is not on the list.

jake70

flea: You can use your cable TV login (usually an email or something, whatever youd use to get access to your account) to sign into Sportsnet Now.

https://now.sportsnet.ca/

On a desktop/laptop, you can go back and watch events that happened yesterday. I think you can only go back 24 hours so probably have to watch it today.

If it was only on CBC, I don’t think you can re watch, but they do stream the games live on their website so maybe there is an archive somewhere. I watch on Gamecenter so I can’t remember if it was on CBC or Sportsnet, usually on both.

The Oiler game just got over about hafl hour or so ago……the next day “rewind” showing on sportsnet channels (all the regional channels were showing it). Was great to watch again. Not sure if scheduled again, probably not as games tonight.

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Strapping Jocks:
So, I am out in Ottawa, and the wife had to fly to San Francisco early this morning. So watched a bit of the game and had it on PVR when I went to bed. But didn’t realize it was only set to tape until the scheduled end!So no Overtime recorded!!!!

Anyone know where/how I could watch it????

You can use your cable TV login (usually an email or something, whatever youd use to get access to your account) to sign into Sportsnet Now.

https://now.sportsnet.ca/

On a desktop/laptop, you can go back and watch events that happened yesterday. I think you can only go back 24 hours so probably have to watch it today.

If it was only on CBC, I don’t think you can re watch, but they do stream the games live on their website so maybe there is an archive somewhere. I watch on Gamecenter so I can’t remember if it was on CBC or Sportsnet, usually on both.

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Also Swedes are bad at D.Everybody knows that.

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