AFFAIRS OF THE HART

by Lowetide

In 2005-06, the Edmonton Oilers came within a whisker of winning the Stanley Cup. Their best player, ChrisPronger, was dominant defensively and impacted the offense as well. Pronger received one fifth-place vote for the Hart Trophy. That is typical of the kind of treatment high performance Oilers have received since 1990. In the 1980s (and 1990), the NHL voters had to give out awards to Edmonton players, because they kept winning Stanley Cups!

Since then, it’s been crickets. Imagine then the impact of Connor McDavid this season. Already the winner of the Art Ross Trophy as leading scorer in the NHL, he was nominated yesterday for the Hart Memorial Trophy as the NHL’s most valuable player. I hope he wins it, but the nomination is a massive change in the weather for awards voting. Hopefully they didn’t write him in at the wrong position.

CONNOR MCDAVID 2016-17

  • 5×5 points per 60: 2.89 (1st among regular forwards, No. 1 NHL)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 5.96 (3rd among regular forwards, No. 24 NHL)
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 52.9
  • Corsi Rel 5×5 %; 3.5
  • DFF Elite 5×5 %: 55.2
  • DFF Elite Rel 5×5 %: 7.3
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 251 shots/12.0%
  • Boxcars: 82, 30-70-100 (Won Art Ross Trophy)
  • (All numbers via Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com and hockey-reference)
  • Special thanks to GMoney and Woodguy for sharing the DFF’s

I think we are safe in describing McDavid’s 2016-17 as easily the best by an Oiler since the turn of the century. I’d have to go back and confirm, but it’s probably the best season by an Oiler since Messier in 1989-90 (129 points, 71 at even strength). Unforgettable season.

2017 DRAFT PROFILE: JOSHUA NORRIS

  • Steve Kournianos, The Draft AnalystC Josh Norris (US U18, NTDP | 6’1, 192): You’ll get varying opinions on which NTDP player not only had the best season, but also who projects to have the best NHL career. Norris, a playmaking center with size and native Michigander, can certainly have a solid case made for him. Not only does he lead Team USA in scoring with 51 points, but 22 of his team-best 23 goals were at even strength or shorthanded. Additionally, he is smart enough to use his physicality without taking unnecessary or emotional penalties. He’s committed to the University of Michigan.
  • Source
  • John Wroblewski, coach of USA Hockey’s National Team Development Program Under-18 team“He can hammer a puck. He can skate. He’s got a great first step. He competes, and he’s coachable. He’s got a lot going for him. I think he’s got a great deal of God-given talent. He is a heck of a kid and extremely coachable. Those items right there lead up to a player who has some ability and a bright future.”
  • Source

In the coming days, I’ll be featuring a few prospects who may be available when the Oilers pick at No. 24 or No. 31. Norris is a lefty center, so we can expect Woodguy to call him the best young right-handed center in the Oilers system within two years.

JORDAN EBERLE

Today was supposed to the Eberle’s RE day, but I decided to hold off since every blog has an Eberle story. I have read every negative word written about No. 14 in the last few days and it reminds me of the ugly part of Oilers fandom. As proud as I am of the crowd anthem when the electronics blew, it always galls me to see the mob mentality approach to a struggling player.

Oilers coaching and management have used fan pressure to motivate since the world began, famously on contracts like Paul Coffey back in the day. It must work, because they keep doing it. Eberle’s specific issue this spring comes on the heels of a fine second-half recovery (his 5×5 scoring was in the ditch for the first half of the year).

In a small sample size like the playoffs, a cold streak by an offensive player can be devastating to player and fanbase. However, it might be an idea to fill our brains with things other than rage when discussing these things. In the nine games previous to the playoffs, Jordan Eberle scored six goals and added three assists.

Eberle is a one-dimensional player, we all know this and it will not change. Perhaps the pressure that Todd McLellan’s media avail delivered to 14’s doorstep will inspire him. Logic and history dictate that regression will come in due time and Jordan Eberle will hear cheers from the Oilers crowd again. It’s also true that the Oilers are three games from elimination and regression bears no resemblance to the trains of Germany.

DEBUTS

One way to observe a team heading north is the number of NHL debuts that occur in a specific season. In 2016-17, only four players made their debut in the highest league as Oilers (Jesse Puljujarvi, Matt Benning, Drake Caggiula and Dillon Simpson). Last year, there were three (Connor McDavid, Jujhar Khaira, Anton Slepyshev).

Seven players in two years is a small number compared to the MacTavish era.

  • 2013-14 (8): Oscar Klefbom, Martin Marincin, Tyler Pitlick, Brad Hunt, Luke Gazdic, Taylor Fedun, Anton Belov, Will Acton.
  • 2014-15 (11): Leon Draisaitl, Darnell Nurse, Brandon Davidson, Laurent Brossoit, Iiro Pakarinen, Jordan Oesterle, Bogdan Yakimov, David Musil, Andrew Miller, Curtis Hamilton, Tyler Bunz.

I think Todd McLellan is less devoted to mentoring at the NHL level, and more about winning. I have no quarrel with that template, and suspect we may see only Jesse Puljujarvi and Spencer Foo as young additions to the opening night roster in the fall.

MY EXPANSION LIST

  • Goal: Cam Talbot
  • Defense: Andrej Sekera, Adam Larsson, Oscar Klefbom
  • Forwards: Leon Draisaitl, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Milan Lucic, Jordan Eberle, Patrick Maroon, Zack Kassian, Jujhar Khaira
  • Ineligible: Connor McDavid, Darnell Nurse, Matt Benning, Jesse Puljujarvi, Anton Slepyshev, Drake Caggiula, Nick Ellis.

I’m fairly certain this will not be the final list, because Peter Chiarelli may choose to add another qualifying forward (thereby allowing him to pull back Mark Letestu).

  • Cirrently Eligible: G Laurent Brossoit, D Mark Fayne, D Kris Russell, D Griffin Reinhart, D Jordan Oesterle, D Dillon Simpson, D David Musil, C Mark Letestu, C David Desharnais, L Benoit Pouliot, R Tyler Pitlick, R Iiro Pakarinen.

I spoke to player agent Tom Lynn during the winter, he made a compelling case for the Golden Knights selecting Griffin Reinhart. Idea being that even if he peaks out as 5D, he should be a part of the team for years to come. General managers of expansion teams are looking to solve problems long term, makes sense since they start with 23 of them. for me, I would call Peter Chiarelli and tell him that Benoit Pouliot is my pick if Caleb Jones is part of the package. Edmonton’s cap issues (and the downward dollar) may make that deal possible.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A stacked show, beginning at 10 on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, Oilers Nation. Can the Oilers win Wednesday? Who should win the Hart?
  • Jason Rogers, Japers Rink. Capitals own the 5×5, is it enough? Plus Crosby play and reaction.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. Who should win the Hart, Ottawa and Edmonton playoffs.
  • Kent Wilson, Flames Nation. Brad Treliving gets to finish what he started and is Ben Bishop the next Flames goalie?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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godot10

dolenator:
digger50,

I think his reply was more of a shot at the guy asking the question then eberle. I feel for the coaches getting asked stupid questions night after night by the reporters and having to come up with acceptable answers. I realize it’s part of there jobs and they are payed well to do them but reporters are dicks some times.

Belichek doesn’t have a problem giving non-answers to good AND to stupid questions. It is part of the job description.

Woodguy v2.0

godot10: Niskanen had enough time to push his hands forward (to increase the impact of his stick), so he had enough time to pull his hands backward (to reduce the impact of his stick, especially since it was a head immediately in front of him). He took advantage of the opportunity presented…

I think the penalty in the game was correct, and it was also correct that there was no supplemental discipline.It wasn’t pre-meditated, and it wasn’t excessively malicious in context of the situation.

Truth

Scungilli Slushy

DaveWatchesHockey: Really?

In 1 second, you figure out that not only is the player coming toward you and at what angle but that he is falling, and so your brain makes the mental calculation and places your hands at the exact right position and then you execute a blow to the guys head.

You are some expert at this.

I believe it was a reflex adjustment.

I’ve watched in particular for the thrusting action and I think maybe I see it, but then other times I think not.I don’t think it’s conclusive.

Dave.

I’ve asked every guy I’ve met who played hockey at a high level about that and every single one said you know what you’re doing. If somebody gets hurt with a dangerous hit (Paccioretty’s broken neck started the questions because people were defending Chara ) the player was trying to rock them. Intent to injure seriously can’t be known but players can control what they do. The thing is in an insanely competitive environment full of aggressive people the players will play to the limit and push it. The league simply has tomove the boundary and protect its players. Big hits will still happen and physical play, but they will back off being careless with hits from behind, stick work and hammering guys in vulnerable positions. All the other major NA sports have no problem protecting the talent and are smart enough to recognize its in their financial interest. If the NFL won’t allow its rep to be sullied, the biggest money making most violent of them, that should be permission enough.

Bag of Pucks

digger50: No, you do it behind closed doors.

This team has a large hole to crawl out of. On the ice, reputation, refs, media, respect. Todd has a part in public relations, and calling out players now is not helping the team.

I did not see Babcock say a single negative this year, always supporting players and they played hard for him.

Anyway, to be clear I like Todd, he’s been awesome for us. I just think he made a mistake and I would bet if he could have those words back he would.

I think it depends on the player. Some appreciate and respond well to the behind closed doors approach. Some need a nudge via the press.

To be fair, after TMac called Ebs out in the regular season when he was slumping that he needed to pick up his game in the other parts of the rink, he responded well to that. So, it’s possible that Eberle may be a guy that you need to light a fire under once and a while with a subtle jab.

And let’s be real, all MacLellan said was ‘not enough.’ That’s a fairly weak and vague criticism at the end of the day. If Tortorella or Hitchcock says that about a player, it probably barely registers.

Honestly if I’m a Top 6 player with 0 goals and 2 assists in 9 playoff games and the HC says that, I’m feeling like I got off pretty light.

That’s the thing I find most amusing about this sort of thing. The players know when they’re playing well or not, and they tend to be the first to acknowledge when they need to be better. I guarantee this comes as no surprise to Eberle or Lucic or RNH that more is expected of them.

Professor Q

McDavid named a finalist for the Ted Lindsay.

Could he be the Most Outstanding and the Most Valuable?

I think so but I’m biased.

dolenator

digger50,

I think his reply was more of a shot at the guy asking the question then eberle. I feel for the coaches getting asked stupid questions night after night by the reporters and having to come up with acceptable answers. I realize it’s part of there jobs and they are payed well to do them but reporters are dicks some times.

delooper

Re Niskanen the NHL has got sloppy enforcing rules. Niskanen **should** have let go of his stick with one hand if his intent was not to injure. But because all collisions in the NHL are cross-checks now, I don’t think any outcome will be less than hypocritical.

Re EBERLE, I always thought the all-caps on player names was an attempt at setting the group-think whipping boy of the oilogosphere. Huh.

Woodguy v2.0

Georges: Let’s hope it develops into Ebs getting streaky against the Ducks of the world instead of the Nucks, because both of those teams’ players may be in Kelowna right now but only one group has a hockey game tomorrow. I think I would’ve passed by it if he scored in bunches against competitive teams. But he managed to break out in games against lesser opponents. That pumped up his average. You painted a picture with your numbers. I found the picture to be off. The kind of teams that Ebs scored against are no longer playing. His expected scoring rate may not be what you’re saying it is. I think there’s something like an 8% probability (assuming scoring follows a Poisson) of a player with a 2.27 P/60 scoring 1 or fewer points in the 5v5 time that Ebs has played in the playoffs. Something to consider.

But it’s in everyone’s interest that Ebs finds a way. I honestly thought he would find his range and shoot the lights out once he reached his first playoffs. It’ll be glorious when he does.

I love when you keep me honest because you bring an argument and data to back it up.

Top drawer stuff.

I get what you’re getting at and there’s some truth there but when you dig into most scorers, you see the same.

Feast on the weak and do much less vs the vaunt.

Eberle’s spot next to RNH playing against the best isn’t an easy spot either.

If you look at every C who had the toughest comp on their team in the NHL only 5 of them scored over 2pts/60 for the season.

5 of 30.

The NHL is a tough goddam league.

digger50

Bag of Pucks: So you wait until after the playoffs to motivate the player?

No, you do it behind closed doors.

This team has a large hole to crawl out of. On the ice, reputation, refs, media, respect. Todd has a part in public relations, and calling out players now is not helping the team.

I did not see Babcock say a single negative this year, always supporting players and they played hard for him.

Anyway, to be clear I like Todd, he’s been awesome for us. I just think he made a mistake and I would bet if he could have those words back he would.

Ribs

Professor Q:
Eberle practicing one-timers today in practice.

Does it help?

Only if he’s skating into them. He’s rarely in positions to accept passes for conventional stand-and-wait one-timers.

Ribs

Niskanen’s crosscheck to Crosby’s face was reckless and dangerous. It is something that should be eliminated from the game if anyone is serious about the safety of its players.

The loose writing of the current rules could let you get away with a minor penalty for this hit to the head, but it’s really something that should be punished more harshly.

Professor Q

danny:
Carlyle says McDavid gets ‘white-glove treatment’
http://www.tsn.ca/talent/carlyle-says-mcdavid-gets-white-glove-treatment-1.740936

Wow. Getzlaf has been getting away away with murder this series, and he criticizes the officiating and their treatment of McDavid?

What a grand collection of arrogant assholes that organization are.

Connor, make em pay.

I despise the Ducks, and what they’ve become.

I long for the days of Selanne and Kariya.

danny

Eaves in a walking boot.

danny

Carlyle says McDavid gets ‘white-glove treatment’
http://www.tsn.ca/talent/carlyle-says-mcdavid-gets-white-glove-treatment-1.740936

Wow. Getzlaf has been getting away away with murder this series, and he criticizes the officiating and their treatment of McDavid?

What a grand collection of arrogant assholes that organization are.

Connor, make em pay.

Professor Q

Eberle practicing one-timers today in practice.

Does it help?

OF17

wheatnoil:
*******SPAM THAT IS RELATED TO TODAY’S DISCUSSION ALERT*********

On the subject of the Oiler’s second line, Eberle, Lucic and RNH, I wrote a bit this morning that was in direct response to Sunil Agnihotri’s post at Copper N Blue, also quotes LT from today AND adds a bit to what WG has been talking about in regards to Eberle and Lucic not getting shots from scoring areas.

http://www.theoilersrig.com/2017/05/splitting-second-line-rebuttal/

I also pitch my shot at the lines.

*******END SPAM THAT IS RELATED TO TODAY’S DISCUSSION******

I like those lines a lot. They’re a way to use Anaheim’s momentum against them. Anaheim is dead-set on the Kesler-McDavid matchup, so let’s make Kesler shut down two rookies. Surely it’s a better use of his talents to play against McDavid and Draisaitl both.

Even with Caggiula and Slepyshev, I like McDavid’s chances of beating or at least equalling the Kesler line. Lucic-Nuge-Draisaitl is much better equipped to handle the Getzlaf line, and Maroon-Desharnais-Eberle is a legit top-6 line going against Vermette/Thompson. I take that matchup any day. Overall I think those lines put us in a much better position to win every matchup.

Jon K

Woodguy v2.0: Its not what McLellan said that’s causing all the hoopla.

Its what Rishaug, Staples and Spector did with it after.

Edit: Staples was actually fair.

What I don’t like about what he does is that he takes inflammatory remarks like what Rishaug said and gives it a much, much wider audience than it initially had or deserves.

Ah I see. I have a nice habit of not reading or listening to those individuals. I was more responding to the language of LT’s post. Cheers.

Georges

frjohnk: Most top scorers score less against the best teams, so EBERLE would be no different.
But I do wonder what the drop off is

Something like take the top 50 scorers and see how they do against playoff teams vs non playoff teams.Might be an interesting look.

Total Goals Per Game

Regular Season

13-14 5.34
14-15 5.32
15-16 5.34
16-17 5.45

Playoffs

13-14 5.59
14-15 5.03
15-16 5.25
16-17 5.15 (so far)

Overall, it seems scoring drops but not by that much. It may be coming from other sources in the playoffs because of tighter checking of the top players. Not sure.

StixMalone

Point is in these playoffs it is acceptable to trip,interfere,slash,choke,butt end and more because it’s a different season with a whole new set of rules. The NHL refs got the memo apparently fans and media and some teams did not….

Bank Shot

Professor Q: Exactly. And just watched it again.

He turns sideways into it, after proceeding to get to the side of Crosby. He didn’t need to to that unless he intended on Capitalising on the situation – he brings his stick back as if to slash and then swings into a crosscheck, turning sideways toward and then down onto Crosby. How that doesn’t display intent for most of you eludes me.

Well he intended to cross check him I’m sure. Niskanen himself didn’t deny that- “I wasn’t even trying to cross-check him with a serious amount of force”….

I think the part where he cross checks Crosby in the head is accidental though. Crosby falls into him.

Niskanen and Crosby were teammates for 4 seasons. Niskanen doesn’t have a history of being a dirty player. Crosby is wildly out of control when he makes contact with Niskanen.

So I believe it was accidental. I don’t think you can really start punishing players for accidental contact.

frjohnk

I do think the Niskanen crosscheck is more reactive than anything.

If Crosby isnt falling, Niskanen probably ends up crosschecking Crosby in the ribs and then its “just another hockey play.”

But just like Bruce Wayne said above, why is it acceptable for all this slashing and cross checking to happen in the playoffs.

Crosschecking and slashing is so acceptable that its basically a reaction from one player to another when they are nearby.

And now we have one of the best players of our generation with another concussion

Spengler

Bank Shot: Did you crosscheck him in the head?

Well, we were crossing the street and my stick was naturally at that level…

Professor Q

JDI Хоккей: He was going for a crosscheck, and got 5 and a game for it. That Crosby got taken down and fell head first into the crosscheck is very unfortunate, unless you’re accusing Ovie and Niskers of conspiracy on attempt to injure.

Seriously, stop watching it in slow motion.

I didn’t watch it slow mo, but keep reaching.

Professor Q

godot10: Niskanen had enough time to push his hands forward (to increase the impact of his stick), so he had enough time to pull his hands backward (to reduce the impact of his stick, especially since it was a head immediately in front of him). He took advantage of the opportunity presented…

I think the penalty in the game was correct, and it was also correct that there was no supplemental discipline.It wasn’t pre-meditated, and it wasn’t excessively malicious in context of the situation.

Exactly. And just watched it again.

He turns sideways into it, after proceeding to get to the side of Crosby. He didn’t need to to that unless he intended on Capitalising on the situation – he brings his stick back as if to slash and then swings into a crosscheck, turning sideways toward and then down onto Crosby. How that doesn’t display intent for most of you eludes me.

wheatnoil

*******SPAM THAT IS RELATED TO TODAY’S DISCUSSION ALERT*********

On the subject of the Oiler’s second line, Eberle, Lucic and RNH, I wrote a bit this morning that was in direct response to Sunil Agnihotri’s post at Copper N Blue, also quotes LT from today AND adds a bit to what WG has been talking about in regards to Eberle and Lucic not getting shots from scoring areas.

http://www.theoilersrig.com/2017/05/splitting-second-line-rebuttal/

I also pitch my shot at the lines.

*******END SPAM THAT IS RELATED TO TODAY’S DISCUSSION******

JD_Wry

Professor Q: You can argue about “intent” to the head specifically or not

He was going for a crosscheck, and got 5 and a game for it. That Crosby got taken down and fell head first into the crosscheck is very unfortunate, unless you’re accusing Ovie and Niskers of conspiracy on attempt to injure.

Seriously, stop watching it in slow motion.

treevojo

godot10: He could have said the same thing he said about McDavid a few days earlier when he was asked the same question, or when it was asked about Draisaitl in the San Jose series.

He could have added more players to the comment “not enough”…i.e. not enough out of Eberle.not enough out of Lucic, not enough out of McDavid.

Those are lofty expectations for a mediocre coach.

godot10

DaveWatchesHockey:
My thoughts on the Crosby thing:

I’ve watched that thing 20 times and all I see is Niskanen bracing himself for impact.Crosby ran into him.Seriously, I don’t even see where the check is.Niskanen has a stick in his hands, because hes holding a stick in his hands – if you run into a guy holding a stick bracing for impact is that cross checking on the guy you run into?

I think we need to remember these guys are going fast on skates and momentum is a thing.

Then we see the two faced side of the NHL referee system – changing the 2 minute call to 5 minutes and a game because of the player who is down and the fact that there is an injury on the play…

Unfortunate situation to be sure, and we can talk about what led up to it (the slash), but on the suspension call for Niskanen I think the NHL got it right.

Dave

Niskanen had enough time to push his hands forward (to increase the impact of his stick), so he had enough time to pull his hands backward (to reduce the impact of his stick, especially since it was a head immediately in front of him). He took advantage of the opportunity presented…

I think the penalty in the game was correct, and it was also correct that there was no supplemental discipline. It wasn’t pre-meditated, and it wasn’t excessively malicious in context of the situation.

Bank Shot

Spengler:
I just ran into (was walking beside unknowingly until we turned a corner to cross the street and noticed who he was and felt like a stalker) Gretzky downtown an hour ago.

Still looks like he could wheel a fair bit on the ice.

Did you crosscheck him in the head?

Professor Q

JDI Хоккей: Watching it in slo-mo is probably the worst way to get an idea of intent. From when Ovie clipped and tripped Crosby, to the point of impact with Niskers, was the blink of an eye.

He was going for a crosscheck already. Which shouldn’t be allowed as per rules but the NHL doesn’t follow rules.

So everyone crosschecks naturally because they currently are rarelu being called. And yes, this has benefited Edmonton at times.

You can argue about “intent” to the head specifically or not, but as he was already going for a crosscheck on a falling player he should have known that that had a high possibility (as it would have been to an upper area anyway). Despite all of your attempts to talk about “blink of an eye” timing.

No call on Ovechkin, either.

godot10

DaveWatchesHockey:
Eberle has 2 points in 9 games.

Coach is asked what the team has got from him, says “not enough”.

Chaos ensues.

Like what was he going to say “we are thrilled with his two points (assists) in 9 games”??

He could have said the same thing he said about McDavid a few days earlier when he was asked the same question, or when it was asked about Draisaitl in the San Jose series.

He could have added more players to the comment “not enough”…i.e. not enough out of Eberle. not enough out of Lucic, not enough out of McDavid.

frjohnk

Georges: Let’s hope it develops into Ebs getting streaky against the Ducks of the world instead of the Nucks, because both of those teams’ players may be in Kelowna right now but only one group has a hockey game tomorrow. I think I would’ve passed by it if he scored in bunches against competitive teams. But he managed to break out in games against lesser opponents. That pumped up his average. You painted a picture with your numbers. I found the picture to be off. The kind of teams that Ebs scored against are no longer playing. His expected scoring rate may not be what you’re saying it is. I think there’s something like an 8% probability (assuming scoring follows a Poisson) of a player with a 2.27 P/60 scoring 1 or fewer points in the 5v5 time that Ebs has played in the playoffs. Something to consider.

But it’s in everyone’s interest that Ebs finds a way. I honestly thought he would find his range and shoot the lights out once he reached his first playoffs. It’ll be glorious when he does.

Most top scorers score less against the best teams, so EBERLE would be no different.
But I do wonder what the drop off is

Something like take the top 50 scorers and see how they do against playoff teams vs non playoff teams. Might be an interesting look.

Cassandra

The Ovechkin slash to the head which precipitated the hit on Crosby was worse. Why is it considered “playoff hockey” to be allowed to give a guy a two hand slash to the shoulder/head to prevent a scoring chance.

I don’t understand what is so complicated about this. If you get beat to the spot you aren’t allowed to slash, grab, or otherwise impede the opposition player. If you don’t get beat to the spot you are allowed to do playoff hockey things.

The game wouldn’t be any less intense, exciting, tough, or physical, but there would be fewer injuries, more scoring chances, and a much better game.

JD_Wry

Bank Shot: I think its pretty hard to say whether he had any intention to hurt Crosby.

Watching it in slo-mo is probably the worst way to get an idea of intent. From when Ovie clipped and tripped Crosby, to the point of impact with Niskers, was the blink of an eye.

Spengler

I just ran into (was walking beside unknowingly until we turned a corner to cross the street and noticed who he was and felt like a stalker) Gretzky downtown an hour ago.

Still looks like he could wheel a fair bit on the ice.

DaveWatchesHockey

Professor Q: I, too, brace for impact by thrusting my stick sideways into a guy’s head with both hands.

Really?

In 1 second, you figure out that not only is the player coming toward you and at what angle but that he is falling, and so your brain makes the mental calculation and places your hands at the exact right position and then you execute a blow to the guys head.

You are some expert at this.

I believe it was a reflex adjustment.

I’ve watched in particular for the thrusting action and I think maybe I see it, but then other times I think not. I don’t think it’s conclusive.

Dave.

Bank Shot

Professor Q: I, too, brace for impact by thrusting my stick sideways into a guy’s head with both hands.

I think its pretty hard to say whether he had any intention to hurt Crosby.

Bringing your hands up is a pretty natural reaction when someone is going to crash into you though.

boneshj

DaveWatchesHockey:
My thoughts on the Crosby thing:

I’ve watched that thing 20 times and all I see is Niskanen bracing himself for impact.Crosby ran into him.Seriously, I don’t even see where the check is.Niskanen has a stick in his hands, because hes holding a stick in his hands – if you run into a guy holding a stick bracing for impact is that cross checking on the guy you run into?

I think we need to remember these guys are going fast on skates and momentum is a thing.

Then we see the two faced side of the NHL referee system – changing the 2 minute call to 5 minutes and a game because of the player who is down and the fact that there is an injury on the play…

Unfortunate situation to be sure, and we can talk about what led up to it (the slash), but on the suspension call for Niskanen I think the NHL got it right.

Dave

I agree with basically everything in your post except the comment around injury. In the rule book under nearly every offense it mentions that a major may be applied at the refs discretion based on severity or injury (ironically except for Cross Checking) so I sometimes wonder why it isn’t applied more regularly when there is such an obvious injury. I also sometimes wonder why a slight highstick that draws a small amount of blood is seen as a worse offense (automatically) than a cross check to the head.

Chachi

Professor Q: I, too, brace for impact by thrusting my stick sideways into a guy’s head with both hands.

Dirty.

Professor Q

DaveWatchesHockey:
My thoughts on the Crosby thing:

I’ve watched that thing 20 times and all I see is Niskanen bracing himself for impact.Crosby ran into him.Seriously, I don’t even see where the check is.Niskanen has a stick in his hands, because hes holding a stick in his hands – if you run into a guy holding a stick bracing for impact is that cross checking on the guy you run into?

I think we need to remember these guys are going fast on skates and momentum is a thing.

Then we see the two faced side of the NHL referee system – changing the 2 minute call to 5 minutes and a game because of the player who is down and the fact that there is an injury on the play…

Unfortunate situation to be sure, and we can talk about what led up to it (the slash), but on the suspension call for Niskanen I think the NHL got it right.

Dave

I, too, brace for impact by thrusting my stick sideways into a guy’s head with both hands.

Georges

Woodguy v2.0: BREAKING: Scorers are streaky

More on this as it develops……

Let’s hope it develops into Ebs getting streaky against the Ducks of the world instead of the Nucks, because both of those teams’ players may be in Kelowna right now but only one group has a hockey game tomorrow. I think I would’ve passed by it if he scored in bunches against competitive teams. But he managed to break out in games against lesser opponents. That pumped up his average. You painted a picture with your numbers. I found the picture to be off. The kind of teams that Ebs scored against are no longer playing. His expected scoring rate may not be what you’re saying it is. I think there’s something like an 8% probability (assuming scoring follows a Poisson) of a player with a 2.27 P/60 scoring 1 or fewer points in the 5v5 time that Ebs has played in the playoffs. Something to consider.

But it’s in everyone’s interest that Ebs finds a way. I honestly thought he would find his range and shoot the lights out once he reached his first playoffs. It’ll be glorious when he does.

frjohnk

DaveWatchesHockey:
Eberle has 2 points in 9 games.

Coach is asked what the team has got from him, says “not enough”.

Chaos ensues.

Like what was he going to say “we are thrilled with his his two points in 9 games”??

We need more from Ebs, makes sense to me.Go get ’em Ebs!

MSM is just retarded, we all know that.Honestly if it wasn’t for the playoffs and my incessant need for every scrap of info put out on this team, I wouldn’t even be looking at sportnet.ca and the mostly lame articles put out there.

Dave

MSM and when I say MSM, its mostly RIshaug and Spector who are stirring up the EBERLE shitstorm.

Even in today’s presser, Spector said “you score your goals generally, usually, from a bit of a distance, your a shooter…..is it some guys go to the crease and bang pucks in when they are in the slot, is that an answer for you, or can you do that?”

For a guy that has followed EBERLE since EBERLE became an Oiler, one would think Spector would know that many of EBERLE’s goals are scored close in as his shot is not overpowering but sometimes narratives and facts do not need to match up when grinding an axe.

Doug McLachlan

dustrock:
Staples’ article was “Team Insider says McLellan “furious” at Eberle”.

Actual contents of article: Gregor asked McLellan what Eberle has been doing: “Not enough”.

Rishaug (the “team insider” huge over the top eyeroll) says “I bet he’s furious”.

Our MSM, ladies and germs.

Makes you think the Oilers should have headed to Kelowna for a couple of days, no?

DaveWatchesHockey

My thoughts on the Crosby thing:

I’ve watched that thing 20 times and all I see is Niskanen bracing himself for impact. Crosby ran into him. Seriously, I don’t even see where the check is. Niskanen has a stick in his hands, because hes holding a stick in his hands – if you run into a guy holding a stick bracing for impact is that cross checking on the guy you run into?

I think we need to remember these guys are going fast on skates and momentum is a thing.

Then we see the two faced side of the NHL referee system – changing the 2 minute call to 5 minutes and a game because of the player who is down and the fact that there is an injury on the play…

Unfortunate situation to be sure, and we can talk about what led up to it (the slash), but on the suspension call for Niskanen I think the NHL got it right.

Dave

DaveWatchesHockey

Eberle has 2 points in 9 games.

Coach is asked what the team has got from him, says “not enough”.

Chaos ensues.

Like what was he going to say “we are thrilled with his two points (assists) in 9 games”??

We need more from Ebs, makes sense to me. Go get ’em Ebs!

MSM is just retarded, we all know that. Honestly if it wasn’t for the playoffs and my incessant need for every scrap of info put out on this team, I wouldn’t even be looking at sportnet.ca and the mostly lame articles put out there.

Dave

Melvis

Perry has the aura of a tweaker who lost his works. Now he’s using a safety pin and some drano. Either that, or red bull has to come off the shelves.

Showerhead

treevojo:
Do you guys remember when the Calgary Lames got swept by Anaheim.

That was awesome.

I do and it was!

treevojo

Do you guys remember when the Calgary Lames got swept by Anaheim.

That was awesome.

Chachi

Professor Q: Yes indeed. Noticed it in a few games. He seems out of it. He crashed the net once, missed Talbot, hit the post, amd was shoved off by Larsson or someone.

Seemed dazed and only half reluctant to he shoved away, turning to look at the post. Confused and such. Very weird.

Like those dazed raccoons walking into populated areas by day; they either have rabies or Canine Distemper.

That is a perfect analogy! I don’t know if he is going to start biting people on the ice or just lie down in the gutter outside the arena.

Professor Q

Chachi: Perry has the aura of someone who is going to do something extremely stupid any time now. The guy doesn’t look “right”.

Yes indeed. Noticed it in a few games. He seems out of it. He crashed the net once, missed Talbot, hit the post, amd was shoved off by Larsson or someone.

Seemed dazed and only half reluctant to he shoved away, turning to look at the post. Confused and such. Very weird.

Like those dazed raccoons walking into populated areas by day; they either have rabies or Canine Distemper.