AFFAIRS OF THE HART

by Lowetide

In 2005-06, the Edmonton Oilers came within a whisker of winning the Stanley Cup. Their best player, ChrisPronger, was dominant defensively and impacted the offense as well. Pronger received one fifth-place vote for the Hart Trophy. That is typical of the kind of treatment high performance Oilers have received since 1990. In the 1980s (and 1990), the NHL voters had to give out awards to Edmonton players, because they kept winning Stanley Cups!

Since then, it’s been crickets. Imagine then the impact of Connor McDavid this season. Already the winner of the Art Ross Trophy as leading scorer in the NHL, he was nominated yesterday for the Hart Memorial Trophy as the NHL’s most valuable player. I hope he wins it, but the nomination is a massive change in the weather for awards voting. Hopefully they didn’t write him in at the wrong position.

CONNOR MCDAVID 2016-17

  • 5×5 points per 60: 2.89 (1st among regular forwards, No. 1 NHL)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 5.96 (3rd among regular forwards, No. 24 NHL)
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 52.9
  • Corsi Rel 5×5 %; 3.5
  • DFF Elite 5×5 %: 55.2
  • DFF Elite Rel 5×5 %: 7.3
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 251 shots/12.0%
  • Boxcars: 82, 30-70-100 (Won Art Ross Trophy)
  • (All numbers via Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com and hockey-reference)
  • Special thanks to GMoney and Woodguy for sharing the DFF’s

I think we are safe in describing McDavid’s 2016-17 as easily the best by an Oiler since the turn of the century. I’d have to go back and confirm, but it’s probably the best season by an Oiler since Messier in 1989-90 (129 points, 71 at even strength). Unforgettable season.

2017 DRAFT PROFILE: JOSHUA NORRIS

  • Steve Kournianos, The Draft AnalystC Josh Norris (US U18, NTDP | 6’1, 192): You’ll get varying opinions on which NTDP player not only had the best season, but also who projects to have the best NHL career. Norris, a playmaking center with size and native Michigander, can certainly have a solid case made for him. Not only does he lead Team USA in scoring with 51 points, but 22 of his team-best 23 goals were at even strength or shorthanded. Additionally, he is smart enough to use his physicality without taking unnecessary or emotional penalties. He’s committed to the University of Michigan.
  • Source
  • John Wroblewski, coach of USA Hockey’s National Team Development Program Under-18 team“He can hammer a puck. He can skate. He’s got a great first step. He competes, and he’s coachable. He’s got a lot going for him. I think he’s got a great deal of God-given talent. He is a heck of a kid and extremely coachable. Those items right there lead up to a player who has some ability and a bright future.”
  • Source

In the coming days, I’ll be featuring a few prospects who may be available when the Oilers pick at No. 24 or No. 31. Norris is a lefty center, so we can expect Woodguy to call him the best young right-handed center in the Oilers system within two years.

JORDAN EBERLE

Today was supposed to the Eberle’s RE day, but I decided to hold off since every blog has an Eberle story. I have read every negative word written about No. 14 in the last few days and it reminds me of the ugly part of Oilers fandom. As proud as I am of the crowd anthem when the electronics blew, it always galls me to see the mob mentality approach to a struggling player.

Oilers coaching and management have used fan pressure to motivate since the world began, famously on contracts like Paul Coffey back in the day. It must work, because they keep doing it. Eberle’s specific issue this spring comes on the heels of a fine second-half recovery (his 5×5 scoring was in the ditch for the first half of the year).

In a small sample size like the playoffs, a cold streak by an offensive player can be devastating to player and fanbase. However, it might be an idea to fill our brains with things other than rage when discussing these things. In the nine games previous to the playoffs, Jordan Eberle scored six goals and added three assists.

Eberle is a one-dimensional player, we all know this and it will not change. Perhaps the pressure that Todd McLellan’s media avail delivered to 14’s doorstep will inspire him. Logic and history dictate that regression will come in due time and Jordan Eberle will hear cheers from the Oilers crowd again. It’s also true that the Oilers are three games from elimination and regression bears no resemblance to the trains of Germany.

DEBUTS

One way to observe a team heading north is the number of NHL debuts that occur in a specific season. In 2016-17, only four players made their debut in the highest league as Oilers (Jesse Puljujarvi, Matt Benning, Drake Caggiula and Dillon Simpson). Last year, there were three (Connor McDavid, Jujhar Khaira, Anton Slepyshev).

Seven players in two years is a small number compared to the MacTavish era.

  • 2013-14 (8): Oscar Klefbom, Martin Marincin, Tyler Pitlick, Brad Hunt, Luke Gazdic, Taylor Fedun, Anton Belov, Will Acton.
  • 2014-15 (11): Leon Draisaitl, Darnell Nurse, Brandon Davidson, Laurent Brossoit, Iiro Pakarinen, Jordan Oesterle, Bogdan Yakimov, David Musil, Andrew Miller, Curtis Hamilton, Tyler Bunz.

I think Todd McLellan is less devoted to mentoring at the NHL level, and more about winning. I have no quarrel with that template, and suspect we may see only Jesse Puljujarvi and Spencer Foo as young additions to the opening night roster in the fall.

MY EXPANSION LIST

  • Goal: Cam Talbot
  • Defense: Andrej Sekera, Adam Larsson, Oscar Klefbom
  • Forwards: Leon Draisaitl, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Milan Lucic, Jordan Eberle, Patrick Maroon, Zack Kassian, Jujhar Khaira
  • Ineligible: Connor McDavid, Darnell Nurse, Matt Benning, Jesse Puljujarvi, Anton Slepyshev, Drake Caggiula, Nick Ellis.

I’m fairly certain this will not be the final list, because Peter Chiarelli may choose to add another qualifying forward (thereby allowing him to pull back Mark Letestu).

  • Cirrently Eligible: G Laurent Brossoit, D Mark Fayne, D Kris Russell, D Griffin Reinhart, D Jordan Oesterle, D Dillon Simpson, D David Musil, C Mark Letestu, C David Desharnais, L Benoit Pouliot, R Tyler Pitlick, R Iiro Pakarinen.

I spoke to player agent Tom Lynn during the winter, he made a compelling case for the Golden Knights selecting Griffin Reinhart. Idea being that even if he peaks out as 5D, he should be a part of the team for years to come. General managers of expansion teams are looking to solve problems long term, makes sense since they start with 23 of them. for me, I would call Peter Chiarelli and tell him that Benoit Pouliot is my pick if Caleb Jones is part of the package. Edmonton’s cap issues (and the downward dollar) may make that deal possible.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A stacked show, beginning at 10 on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, Oilers Nation. Can the Oilers win Wednesday? Who should win the Hart?
  • Jason Rogers, Japers Rink. Capitals own the 5×5, is it enough? Plus Crosby play and reaction.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. Who should win the Hart, Ottawa and Edmonton playoffs.
  • Kent Wilson, Flames Nation. Brad Treliving gets to finish what he started and is Ben Bishop the next Flames goalie?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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frjohnk

“Norris is a lefty center, so we can expect Woodguy to call him the best young right-handed center in the Oilers system within two years.”

Love the nuggets you leave in the morning post.

Rondo

frjohnk,

For more regarding Josh Norris

https://recrutes.ca/profile/josh-norris/

frjohnk

Rondo:
frjohnk,

For more

https://recrutes.ca/profile/josh-norris/

Thanks, I did read that but the nugget was about Woodguy eventually believing Norris shooting right.

Clarkenstein

Not piling on Ebs but I doubt he’ll be protected. Either trade although that’s been explored by Chia since he got here or leave him unprotected. LV will not pick up that salary in a million years. They will be a low cap team for a few years.

frjohnk

The Benoit Pouliot with Caleb Jones helps both teams out in the expansion draft

For Vegas, they get a decent NHL player when on his game and a good prospect.

For the Oilers, they get cap space plus they can afford to lose a LHD prospect especially with Klefbom, Sekera and Nurse on the left side for the foraseeble future.

Cassandra

If you were to rank the Oiler players, what would it look like.

1. McDavid
2. Draisatl (he’s been Hallesque of late)
3. Klefbom
4. RNH
5. Sekera
6. Larsson
7. Eberle
8. Maroon
9. Kassian
10. Letestu
11. Benning
12. Russell
13. Pouliot
14. Lucic
15. Nurse
16. Slepyshev

And yet somehow Eberle is the problem.

leadfarmer

Reinhart is a well known prospect. GMs tend to flock to those almost as hard as declining veteran forwards at the trade deadline. Im sure Vegas will bite. I wouldnt be surprised if some other team took a bite and tried to trade for him afterwards

frjohnk

Clarkenstein: Not piling on Ebs but I doubt he’ll be protected

I dont doubt that is possibly on the table.

vinotintazo

Clarkenstein:
Not piling on Ebs but I doubt he’ll be protected. Either trade although that’s been explored by Chia since he got here or leave him unprotected. LV will not pick up that salary in a million years. They will be a low cap team for a few years.

if that’s the case, Las Vegas will take him and trade him to some other team… you know they dont have to keep the players they draft?

Woogie63

The coach used Jordan’s name but Ryan, Milan, Drake, David, Benoit, Matt and Darrell heard their name.

I thought Rishaug was brutal on the radio yesterday, sometimes too much familiar is a bad thing.

Cassandra

Clarkenstein:
Not piling on Ebs but I doubt he’ll be protected. Either trade although that’s been explored by Chia since he got here or leave him unprotected. LV will not pick up that salary in a million years. They will be a low cap team for a few years.

Las Vegas would have to be out of their mind not to take Eberle if he was unprotected. He’d be the best forward available by a galaxy and a half.

Eberle does not have a bad contract. Only two more years after this one. That’s not the kind of contract you need to try and get rid of.

And in any case, since the Oilers traded Davidson they don’t have a protection list problem. They aren’t going to lose anyone good, so there is no reason to expose Eberle. Whoever Las Vegas takes from the Oilers is going to be someone who isn’t likely to be good enough to play for them.

Cassandra

Woogie63:
The coach used Jordan’s name but Ryan, Milan, Drake, David, Benoit, Matt and Darrell heard their name.

I thought Rishaug was brutal on the radio yesterday, sometimes too much familiar is a bad thing.

Rishaug is a disgrace.

Clarkenstein

vinotintazo,

No but they have to keep his salary. Problem.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

Clarkenstein,

Why exactly is $6 million x 2 too big of a contract for LV to take on?

classict

Clarkenstein,

In what world is that salary a problem? They’ll be a cap floor team, so the caps not an issue and they’ll have no problem with actual salary in the first few years. The owners will want to show they’re willing to spend and it’s already sounding like the first season will be a sellout. (actual bodies in the seats might be a different story)

Note: I don’t advocate exposing Eberle in the first place. It would be a horrible decision.

frjohnk

Bruce Wayne: Las Vegas would have to be out of their mind not to take Eberle if he was unprotected.He’d be the best forward available by a galaxy and a half.

Eberle does not have a bad contract.Only two more years after this one.That’s not the kind of contract you need to try and get rid of.

And in any case, since the Oilers traded Davidson they don’t have a protection list problem.They aren’t going to lose anyone good, so there is no reason to expose Eberle.Whoever Las Vegas takes from the Oilers is going to be someone who isn’t likely to be good enough to play for them.

If EBERLE were exposed, LV takes him without a doubt.

I do think if he is exposed its because we are going 4-4-1. Which would mean we have traded for a top 4 Dman. Nurse would have more value before the expansion draft than after as he does not need to be protected so he would be a good trade chip to improve the D

In this case, we could use some EBERLE’S salary for that Dman and possibly pick up a right wing from the bargain bin.

But it does make a dent into the skill department in the forward group which has nobody other than JP in the prospect pool who looks to be top 9.

Brantford Boy

“General managers of expansion teams are looking to solve problems long term”… could also be worded “General managers are looking to solve problems long term”… (ie: Oilers)
Last night posts to my comment regarding protection were all spot on and insightful, thanks… let’s put this question another way… simply asking who do you think Chiarelli values more long term Jujhar Khaira or Griffin Reinhart (aside from the expansion draft)? Unless others had the fingers in the pie during the draft day trade of Reinhart, you have to think Peter values him highly. My vote is Reinhart.

Chachi

Bruce Wayne:
If you were to rank the Oiler players, what would it look like.

1. McDavid
2. Draisatl (he’s been Hallesque of late)
3. Klefbom
4. RNH
5. Sekera
6. Larsson
7. Eberle
8. Maroon
9. Kassian
10. Letestu
11. Benning
12. Russell
13. Pouliot
14. Lucic
15. Nurse
16. Slepyshev

And yet somehow Eberle is the problem.

It’s interesting to see what fans of other teams think of the Oilers.

classict

frjohnk,

But why expose Eberle.

If your options are A. lose Eberle for nothing (cap hit dump) or B. trade Eberle for say a second and a midrange prospect.and lose Reinhart (to LV) then I think you have to go with option B.

A second and a mid range prospect is probably better than Reinhart at this point no?

Cassandra

Clarkenstein:
vinotintazo,

No but they have to keep his salary. Problem.

Eberle’s salary is not a problem. 43 forwards had cap hits between 5 and 6.5 million dollars last year. Of those 43 Eberle was 22nd in scoring, despite a “down” year and much less power play time.

His salary matches his production right now, plus he carries much less risk than most comparable cap hits because he is younger and only signed for two more years.

knighttown

Woogie63:
The coach used Jordan’s name but Ryan, Milan, Drake, David, Benoit, Matt and Darrell heard their name.

I thought Rishaug was brutal on the radio yesterday, sometimes too much familiar is a bad thing.

And CMD’s name too. I posted during the Sharks series that I wouldn’t move Drai off McDavid’s wing because McDavid is a disinterested defensive player at the moment and that Slepy (or Eberle) won’t do the work downlow that Draisaitl does.

And I was skewered and since I’ve seen posts that have McDavid in the running for the Selke.

My worries came true when McDavid’s lack of defense was a major factor in losing a playoff game.

On the first Silfvergerg goal he had a major fly-by at the blueline.

On the second Silfverberg goal he completely guessed on Theodore coming down the wall and jumped up-ice allowing time and space to hit the wide open Silf.

On the Kesler goal he got owned in the corner (some will whine that it was a penalty but in the playoffs that’s called a lost battle) then got beaten out of the corner and left Kesler wide open.

If Eberle made any of these three plays he’d be roasted here. Bruce is the best at this but if you real want to be considered objective, you need to call what you see and McDavid needs to either get more interested in the d-zone or, use him flying the zone as an offensive tactic and play him and pseudo-wing with RNH or Drai. He can’t play with Eberle and Lucic or Maroon and vacate his duties.

**Just to clarify, McDavid made one outstanding defensive playe racing back on the backcheck after a long shift, picked up a guy and then released him to try to block a shot. This is why I say “disinterested” not bad. He can do it but cheats a lot especially in the half-ice game.

frjohnk

classict:
frjohnk,

But why expose Eberle.

If your options are A. lose Eberle for nothing (cap hit dump) or B. trade Eberle for say a second and a midrange prospect.and lose Reinhart (to LV) then I think you have to go with option B.

A second and a mid range prospect is probably better than Reinhart at this point no?

I believe exposing EBERLE is the wrong thing to do.

But I also believe it is an option on the table that the Oilers may look at.

Exposing EBERLE when the Oilers need to get rid Pouliot and Fayne would be foolish.

If the Oilers are looking to clear cap space, they do LT’s transaction of Pouliot + Jones to Vegas, and then bury Fayne ( whose contract ends in 2018)

Just spitballing here.

Woodguy v2.0

Eberle’s specific issue this spring comes on the heels of a fine second-half recovery (his 5×5 scoring was in the ditch for the first half of the year).

Truth.

Oiler 5v5 pts/60 since the All Star break (40gp) – note: Desharnais is Oiler points only (18gp), Pakarinen is 14gp

Player P60
CONNOR.MCDAVID 3.27
JORDAN.EBERLE 2.27
LEON.DRAISAITL 2.18
IIRO.PAKARINEN 2.07
PATRICK.MAROON 1.86
ZACK.KASSIAN 1.69
RYAN.NUGENT-HOPKINS 1.58
MILAN.LUCIC 1.41
DARNELL.NURSE 1.27
ANTON.SLEPYSHEV 1.24
DAVID.DESHARNAIS 1.24
MATT.HENDRICKS 1.08
DRAKE.CAGGIULA 1.07
BENOIT.POULIOT 1.06
KRIS.RUSSELL 1.00
OSCAR.KLEFBOM 0.96
ANDREJ.SEKERA 0.84
MARK.LETESTU 0.84
ADAM.LARSSON 0.82
ERIC.GRYBA 0.82
MATT.BENNING 0.51

Its crap like this Eberle thing that frustrates me about the local media.

Make no mistake, the mob mentality in this town is led by some of the local MSM.

For the record, Eberle hasn’t got the scoring areas enough in the playoffs. He needs to own that and fix it.

That is not what is being said about him though, and most of what is being said is wrong.

Kinger_Oil.redux

– Great post LT! We will see on expansion draft, but I really am not in the camp that Griff gets selected (unless it is a “manufactured” trade).

– There will be at least 10 actual NHL D that are exposed (i.e. better than Fayne).

– The expansion is supposed to mean you loss a marginal player: it’s a zero-sum game

jm363561

Bruce Wayne: Rishaug is a disgrace.

From an Oiler’s perspective I respectfully disagree with your ranking of Eberle by several notches (on a value for money basis), but I agree totally on this point. WTF is going on here – young, inexperienced team;18 – 5 in the last 23 games (equivalent to a 128 point season); SC favourites (rightly, or more accurately, wrongly); leading in second round series; one poor game.

The PK looks almost competent; Talbot is not injured; Caggs looks almost like he belongs. Bells should be ringing and cattle being slaughtered.

I stuck with the team. Now it’s the “fans” and media that are killing me. Rishaug “spit”.

EDIT: For Eberle read EBERLE.

doritogrande

I think Todd McLellan is less devoted to mentoring at the NHL level, and more about winning. I have no quarrel with that template, and suspect we may see only Jesse Puljujarvi and Spencer Foo as young additions to the opening night roster in the fall.

As long as we’re taking bets on this, I have Bear a more likely candidate to impress and jump someone for their roster spot than someone who isn’t even committed to Edmonton yet.

Woodguy v2.0

All,

Just stop with “will Eberle be protected”.

Its not a discussion.

He has value.

To think otherwise is to not understand how little everyone but the elite score in the NHL.

I think he will be traded, but to think he won’t be protected is just not thinking things out.

jm363561

Some really great posts here. Love it.

Chachi

Woodguy v2.0:
All,

Just stop with “will Eberle be protected”.

Its not a discussion.

He has value.

To think otherwise is to not understand how little everyone but the elite score in the NHL.

I think he will be traded, but to think he won’t be protected is just not thinking things out.

This is all true.

Chelios is a Dinosaur

Question that has been killing me as I lurk around: Why does EBERLE get the CAPS treatment?

“Not enough.”

That was his coach, not Rishaug, not Seravalli.

Lets see the push back from Ebs in Gm4. I’m fine with that line as a shut down line and there are smarter people than me who can tell me its working or it isn’t.

I have faith in Ebs. I just miss those mits in close.

frjohnk

Woodguy v2.0:
All,

Just stop with “will Eberle be protected”.

Its not a discussion.

He has value.

To think otherwise is to not understand how little everyone but the elite score in the NHL.

I think he will be traded, but to think he won’t be protected is just not thinking things out.

Enough already

Its eberle

and he shoots left.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

jm363561,

You are so very very right with this post

+5

Kepler62

“Their best player, Chris Pronger, was dominant defensively and impacted the offense as well. Pronger received one fifth-place vote for the Hart Trophy. That is typical of the kind of treatment high performance Oilers have received since 1990.”

I think it’s ludicrous to suggest that since the Oilers won so many awards in the 80’s that the voting panels have been biased against Edmonton since. Besides suggesting the Oilers are treated unfairly, what “typical” examples of this “treatment” do you have besides Pronger?

Jumbo Joe deservedly won it that year (and the Art Ross, 125 Pts) as he was the games most valuable player. Yes Pronger had a great year in Edmonton and was a big part of the reason they made the playoffs, but 42 of his 56 points came on the PP. He scored less 5×5 (often held to a high standard on this blog) than Adam Larsson did this year (I love Larsson by the way, not a knock on him).

Who on the Oilers has been deserving of a Hart Trophy (or any major award) since the 80’s? Answer: Connor McDavid. Doesn’t mean they’ve always had bad players, or bad teams since then – but it does mean they haven’t boasted the games very best players.

Primetime

Chelios is a Dinosaur:

“Not enough.”

That was his coach, not Rishaug, not Seravalli.

That was his coach in response to a pointed question about Eberle…McLellan did not come to the mike with the intent of carving Eberle. He may have been thinking it, but he responded to a direct question. The fact that those same reporters are leading the pitchfork mob now, may indicate that they had an intended angle and were ready to run with it.

Either way, you’re right, its’ up to Ebs to shut them up with his play. Regardless of the results of this playoff though, there is zero chance Ebs is unprotected in the expansion draft. None.

frjohnk

Chelios is a Dinosaur: Question that has been killing me as I lurk around: Why does EBERLE get the CAPS treatment?

When I started posting here, my phone would autocorrect from Eberle to EBERLE.
Lucic was Lucid
Sekera was Seekers but is now Selecta. Not sure what is going on here.
Iginla was Iguana
Korpikoski was Korperel

I changed all to correct spelling except EBERLE on my phone.
I now type EBERLE on the laptop to be consistent with the phone.

Woodguy v2.0

frjohnk: Enough already

Its eberle

and he shoots left.

I *knew* it wasn’t your phone and you were just trolling.

LMHF#1

Kepler62:
I think it’s ludicrous to suggest that since the Oilers won so many awards in the 80’s that the voting panels have been biased against Edmonton since.

Not sure what you’re reading, but that isn’t what LT’s column says.

The implication is that there has always been an eastern bias – but that the 80s teams were simply so good, they couldn’t be denied. Nowhere does it state that this is some sort of blowback.

Woodguy v2.0

knighttown: And CMD’s name too.I posted during the Sharks series that I wouldn’t move Drai off McDavid’s wing because McDavid is a disinterested defensive player at the moment and that Slepy (or Eberle) won’t do the work downlow that Draisaitl does.

And I was skewered and since I’ve seen posts that have McDavid in the running for the Selke.

My worries came true when McDavid’s lack of defense was a major factor in losing a playoff game.

On the first Silfvergerg goal he had a major fly-by at the blueline.

On the second Silfverberg goal he completely guessed on Theodore coming down the wall and jumped up-ice allowing time and space to hit the wide open Silf.

On the Kesler goal he got owned in the corner (some will whine that it was a penalty but in the playoffs that’s called a lost battle) then got beaten out of the corner and left Kesler wide open.

If Eberle made any of these three plays he’d be roasted here.Bruce is the best at this but if you real want to be considered objective, you need to call what you see and McDavid needs to either get more interested in the d-zone or, use him flying the zone as an offensive tactic and play him and pseudo-wing with RNH or Drai.He can’t play with Eberle and Lucic or Maroon and vacate his duties.

**Just to clarify, McDavid made one outstanding defensive playe racing back on the backcheck after a long shift, picked up a guy and then released him to try to block a shot.This is why I say “disinterested” not bad.He can do it but cheats a lot especially in the half-ice game.

Truth.

I’m sure the coach is showing him video too.

There was a reason his line was benched for the last 10 minutes of that game.

McDavid’s last shift in the 3rd was at 10:38 and the coach was right to sit him.

RENNAVATE

Woodguy v2.0: Truth.

I’m sure the coach is showing him video too.

There was a reason his line was benched for the last 10 minutes of that game.

McDavid’s last shift in the 3rd was at 10:38 and the coach was right to sit him.

Are we sure he just wasn’t resting Connor because he knew the game was lost?

JD_Wry

Exposing Eberle (or EBERLE) in the exp draft is priceless stuff.

What’s next – Yzerman is going to expose his Johnson?

godot10

//I would call Peter Chiarelli and tell him that Benoit Pouliot is my pick if Caleb Jones is part of the package. Edmonton’s cap issues (and the downward dollar) may make that deal possible.//

Why? Pouliot is a useful player, and Jones upside is as least as great if not greater as Reinhart’s? Jones fits better into the timeline for the Oilers on the left side as Klefbom, Sekera, Nurse look set. Jones will be “ready” just as Sekera is beginning to get “old”.

Losing Pouliot and Jones is worse than just losing Reinhart. One is likely to lose Reinhart on waivers over the next couple of years anyway.

There is nothing wrong with running Pouliot for the next two years, even if it is as a #4 left wing, till Benson is ready.

I don’t think Chiarelli has shown any inclination to double down on “mistakes”. He was willing to trade Kessel, Seguin, and Hall. Losing Reinhart in the expansion draft is a mustard seed compared to those trades.

godot10

Woogie63:
The coach used Jordan’s name but Ryan, Milan, Drake, David, Benoit, Matt and Darrell heard their name.

I thought Rishaug was brutal on the radio yesterday, sometimes too much familiar is a bad thing.

Nope. When the media previously asked about Connor’s lack of scoring. McLellan mentioned all the other things McDavid does. When the media asked about Eberle’s lack of scoring, McLellan mentioned he “needed more”. Two different players, two different reasons and two different standards.

And the media doesn’t have the guts to ask about Lucic’s lack of scoring, because they would then be afraid to go into the dressing room.

€√¥£€^$

I would pencil Jones in as Sekeras replacement in 2-3 years, I wouldn’t want to trade him, I would rather lose Reinhart.

Dustylegnd

When we look at our expansion list, it really is an underwhelming list for the prospective buyer…warts aplenty and 1 bad value contract attached to a very useful NHL player

This is good news and bad news, the fabric of the team will not be effected, but it also illustrates the lack of real depth throughout the organization.

Lack of depth not a real concern at this point because the core is crazy young and crazy good..soo gonna be super hard to crack the top 6 for the next 5 years

Chia will earn his next level of respect through savvy drafting and free agent signings, and I believe he will do a fine job.

I want to see our 1 trick pony get real good at his trick again…but Anaheim is his kryptonite…..Looch I am looking at you…this is your type of game vs a team custom built for your skill set…drive the net…get greasier…take a page from Maroon minus the bad penalties…COME ON MAN

dustrock

Staples’ article was “Team Insider says McLellan “furious” at Eberle”.

Actual contents of article: Gregor asked McLellan what Eberle has been doing: “Not enough”.

Rishaug (the “team insider” huge over the top eyeroll) says “I bet he’s furious”.

Our MSM, ladies and germs.

godot10

Woodguy v2.0:

For the record, Eberle hasn’t got the scoring areas enough in the playoffs.He needs to own that and fix it.

Primarily because Nugent-Hopkins has been pre-occupied with Thornton and Getzlaf and cannot get in on the forecheck. Lucic is a late-arriving forechecker because he is slow. That line works if Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle can both get in deep and hold the fort till the lumbering Lucic arrives. Nugent-Hopkins is also less available on the rush because of the his preoccupation with Thornton and Lucic.

I think Pouliot would work better on this line, because Pouliot is faster than Lucic.

Woogie63

Why isn’t there a major trophy named after Gretzky or Howe.

We have Rocket Richard and the Mark Messier.

Wayne Gretzky > Art Ross
Gordie Howe > Hart Memorial

Bag of Pucks

godot10: Nope.When the media previously asked about Connor’s lack of scoring.McLellan mentioned all the other things McDavid does.When the media asked about Eberle’s lack of scoring, McLellan mentioned he “needed more”.Two different players, two different reasons and two different standards.

And the media doesn’t have the guts to ask about Lucic’s lack of scoring, because they would then be afraid to go into the dressing room.

Suspect this has something to do with the fact that McDavid is still a very young player and the media starts talking about him being in a slump if he goes two games without a point. TMac pumps his tires in that situation so he doesn’t get too down on himself.

Eberle on the other hand went through an 18 game stretch with 1 goal and at that time, the only thing TMac suggested was that Eberle need to find ways to contribute elsewhere on the ice when he wasn’t scoring. And with this most recent example: to reiterate what other posters are saying, he responded ‘not enough’ only in direct answer to a reporter looking to throw Ebs under the bus. Imo, that’s an honest answer to the question.

If MacLellan is inconsistent in his treatment of the two players, maybe it’s because the two players are vastly different? One is an ultra driven sophomore phenom coming off an Art Ross season and the other is a longtime vet having one of his worst seasons ever. If I’m an HC, I’m definitely giving the latter player more tough love than I am the former.

godot10

Voting for the Hart occurs before the playoffs start. In 2005-2006, the Oilers were an 8th place team. Players from 8th place teams don’t usually get considered for the Hart…so Pronger was not remotely dissed.

digger50

Thank you for your words of reason on Eberle. 99% on this board know what he is and is not.

BUT:

I could not believe Todd’s words in the post game presser. Really Todd? Now is not the time. Very poor timing and very poor taste. You have a problem with a player – deal with it in the dressing room.

You don’t throw a goat out to the press during a playoff run. You have sealed his fate.

Bad, bad move.