CHIARELLI

by Lowetide

Peter Chiarelli has been nominated for General Manager of the Year in the NHL. Most of Oilers Nation is thrilled, but many are baffled. This is the world we live in.

CHIARELLI’S TRADES 15-16

In his first 12 months as Oilers general manager, PC let the other GM’s know he was open for business. The Reinhart trade is more famous now than any other, those are the breaks because people remember the negative. I think the Cam Talbot trade and the Patrick Maroon trade more than cover the GR deal but it would be unwise to forgive that draft day deal completely. Having those draft picks matriculating in the system now would be a major plus for the Oilers. If you disagree with the ratings, holler. I think the three big deals are correctly marked and the rest is basically superfluous. Note: If you’re going to argue the Schultz deal is a loss, pack a lunch because it’s going to take you all day. Not a chance in hell Mr. Schultz flourishes in Edmonton as he has in Pittsburgh. A more mature team needed to guide him, and did just that thing.

CHIARELLI’S TRADES 16-17

 A far less active season of deals, and no clear wins I can see. A big loss, one that Oilers fans still talk about (I think it’s about half and half but who knows?) coming up on one year later.

You can lose a trade and win the war, or at least I believe you can. If the Oilers win a Stanley Cup under Peter Chiarelli, I’ll give him full credit for it. I think he has been enormously lucky in some ways (McDavid) and extremely unlucky in others (Jeff Petry left Edmonton 53 days before his arrival). If and when the Oilers win a Stanley with Peter Chiarelli as general manager, I will celebrate fully. Since this blog speaks for no one but me, I will only say that it is my sincere hope we can celebrate that day together (should it come to pass).

One thing that we should note: Chiarelli’s first three years in Boston (trade activity). In year one, he made 10 trades for the Bruins (biggest: Brad Boyes dealt for Dennis Wideman). In year two, it was 10 again (biggest: Hannu Toivonen for Carl Soderberg) and in year three it was six (biggest: Matt Hendricks for Johnny Boychuk). PC’s first two seasons in Edmonton have produced 11 and five deals, although he has been extremely active in college free agency (as a means of procurement).

You will read a lot of negatives about Chiarelli being nominated for this award, but the NHL awards general managers (and coaches) who spike in a season. Connor McDavid and Cam Talbot are a big part of these awards, and everyone knows that to be true. I think it’s great that Chiarelli is nominated, hope he wins! So much better than worrying about what former Oiler is going to get the gig this summer (answer: Gretzky). The only man to win the Adams as an Oilers GM? Glen Sather, 1986. He earned more and that’s for sure.

Peter Chiarelli spoke yesterday about the Ducks and Preds defensively. He’s right, these two clubs have fantastic bluelines. Good speed, great passing, mobile, some of them have shots that crush steel. So much venom yesterday about signing Kris Russell and what a horrible idea it would be, and you know if the Oilers had Mattias Ekholm ready to step in I’d agree.

There is no such animal. Kris Russell was hired a year ago because it became clear Griffin Reinhart was unready. If they hire him again, it means Reinhart again is unready. Sometimes when you sign a veteran, it’s because your kids aren’t ready. Now, if the Oilers sign Russell for three years, and they may, there’s a good chance that signing is going to be an albatross by the end of the contract.

MINNESOTA GOES WILD!

I always wait 24 hours to grab items from other people’s work, seems the fair thing to do. It took a lot of will to pass on the opportunity yesterday, as Elliotte Friedman produced a giant 30 Thoughts. The major point of interest: The Wild may be convinced to move Matt Dumba, Mikael Granlund and or Nino Niederreiter. Yes please! I’d take Granlund over the other two men, but that speaks to my preference and maybe you would prefer NN or the blue. Either way, interesting players.

CURRENT CAP SITUATION

Now that the season is over, there are more people looking at the cap/roster for next season and wondering how much room there is going to be this summer. PC used $75 million as a line in the sand yesterday, let’s proceed as if that’s the cap. Here are the current contracts for Edmonton entering summer:

  • That’s nine forwards, six defensemen and two goalies. I think there are at least two players listed who will not be on the opening night roster (Pouliot & Fayne), plus Andrej Sekera will be on LTIR.
  • I am including all bonus numbers here and did not include Jesse Puljujarvi.
  • Six players (five forwards, one defensemen) will be added to this group.
  • RFA’s who are extremely likely to be signed include Leon Draisaitl, Zack Kassian, Jujhar Khaira, Griffin Reinhart and possibly Iiro Pakarinen. Pakarinen is interesting because if he is signed, the Oilers are free to pull back Mark Letestu from the expansion list.
  • UFA’s who are extremely likely to be signed include Kris Russell. I think Eric Gryba, Tyler Pitlick and Jordan Oesterle could also land contracts.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. Can Kris Russell pass the dutchie from the left hand side, plus Sekera’s injury and what it means to the Oilers.
  • Eric Fawcett Press Basketball. NBA Draft lottery went last night, Celtics and 76ers were the big winners. Plus who wins a Warriors-Cavs final?
  • Steve Kournianos, The Draft Analyst. Steve is doing a complete mock draft (one round per day!) that begins today. We’ll talk about the quality and why he chose his Oilers selection.
  • Fluid guest list, may be sliding some Senators talk into the 11:25 segment.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. 90 minutes till we talk!

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Jaxon

Bank Shot: Osterle is an an undrafted 25 year old RFA tweener going into next season. If the Oilers offer him a contract he’d be insane not to sign it.

He’s waiver eligible so if the Oilers send him down in the fall, 30 other teams will have a chance to get him. I personally think he’ll clear waivers.

Speaking of waivers. I’d say most Oilers fans think that Vegas will take Reinhart in the expansion draft. The problem for Vegas here is that they will probably also be picking 7 defensemen that are better than Reinhart.

Does it make sense to pick Reinhart only to have to put him on waivers or deal him away immediately after? What’s his value at now? 3rd or a 4th?

Perhaps he won’t be leaving Edmonton after all.

Oesterle is not a RFA, he is a UFA this summer, so he is free to sign with anyone who offers him a contract. That is why I’m not sure he’ll be back. At the very least, he may want to wait it out this summer to see what kind of offers he gets right before training camps and to see what kind of left-D depth those teams have before accepting an offer from the Oilers. Or maybe he waits a few days in July and then takes his best or only offer at that time. But I don’t see it as a guarantee he’ll be back as a UFA. I could see him approaching Detroit as a Michigan born kid who played with Danny DeKeyser at Western Michigan in college.

Great analysis on Reinhart. A player that will be exposed to waivers if he doesn’t make your opening night roster would not be a very attractive option.

Chachi

Side: Excellent rebuttal.

Sorry if you take that mockingly.

Thanks!

Side

Chachi: Or something.

Excellent rebuttal.

Sorry if you take that mockingly.

Chachi

Side: Ok so blainer said this

“IMO one should look at the last two years to properly rate these two players.”

That is kind of a vague statement made by blainer. Do you know what blainer is looking at or suggesting we should be looking at when he says this?

Seeking clarification =/= mocking. Maybe I should have thrown some “haha’s” in there?

Someone pointed out that Johansen put up good numbers and he did. But there’s a 100 point difference between Hall and Johansen which apparently doesn’t matter because Johansen is a center. Then it was suggested that Hall would never fetch Seth Jones which is an odd statement to make. If Nashville had a center and instead they needed a winger, I find it incredibly unlikely they would not be willing to give up Jones for Hall.

I’m apparently mocking people by asking questions so yeah, feel my wrath, or something.

Or something.

Timeisnow

Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson is nothing but a huge win, and will continue to be a huge win for the Oilers till Larsson in retired

Side

Chachi: “Do you consider the teams the players play on to properly rate them?”I am sure you meant that in a nice way?

I am in no way part of the group of people putting down Hall because New Jersey sucked this year. You tried to make the case that Hall is more valuable than Johansen because he put up great numbers on terrible teams. It was pointed out to you that Johansen did as well. You should probably ackowledge that. Nothing you wrote mocked me, but feel free to if it makes you feel good.

Ok so blainer said this

“IMO one should look at the last two years to properly rate these two players.”

That is kind of a vague statement made by blainer. Do you know what blainer is looking at or suggesting we should be looking at when he says this?

Seeking clarification =/= mocking. Maybe I should have thrown some “haha’s” in there?

Someone pointed out that Johansen put up good numbers and he did. But there’s a 100 point difference between Hall and Johansen which apparently doesn’t matter because Johansen is a center. Then it was suggested that Hall would never fetch Seth Jones which is an odd statement to make. If Nashville had a center and instead they needed a winger, I find it incredibly unlikely they would not be willing to give up Jones for Hall.

I’m apparently mocking people by asking questions so yeah, feel my wrath, or something.

Chachi

Side: “Mocked someone” lol what? When?

You did point that out. But people are also pointing to NJ’s position in the standings and blaming Hall for it. It’s a good thing Johansen didn’t get traded to a team like NJ this year. Otherwise people would be saying CBJ’s amazing year this year was because they ditched Johansen and got a Defenseman.

Sorry if I mocked you somewhere in my post here.

“Do you consider the teams the players play on to properly rate them?” I am sure you meant that in a nice way?

I am in no way part of the group of people putting down Hall because New Jersey sucked this year. You tried to make the case that Hall is more valuable than Johansen because he put up great numbers on terrible teams. It was pointed out to you that Johansen did as well. You should probably ackowledge that. Nothing you wrote mocked me, but feel free to if it makes you feel good.

Side

Bank Shot: They couldn’t have been much worse. ?

I heard a lot of chatter during the lean years, that the kids were not to blame. That the team just lacked depth, and once they got that, the team would be off to the races.

Well the team finally did get depth, and if anyone said that they believed that Eberle and RNH would contribute as little as they have to the winning effort, I think they’d be lying.

Both of those guys have underperformed relative to expectations for certain.

So it’s also possible that Taylor Hall would not contribute as much to a winning effort as we think he would have either, and it could be 4-5 years before we see him get a chance so it will be an academic argument I guess.

Or maybe it’s because RNH and Eberle’s lack of production is because they don’t have a driver on their line like they did in Hall.

Side

Chachi: You mocked someone for not considering quality of team when comparing players. I pointed out that Columbus was awful while Johansen was there. How do you need this explained to you?

“Mocked someone” lol what? When?

You did point that out. But people are also pointing to NJ’s position in the standings and blaming Hall for it. It’s a good thing Johansen didn’t get traded to a team like NJ this year. Otherwise people would be saying CBJ’s amazing year this year was because they ditched Johansen and got a Defenseman.

Sorry if I mocked you somewhere in my post here.

Bank Shot

Side: Just imagine how bad the Oilers would have been if they didn’t have Hall for those years.

They couldn’t have been much worse. 🙂

I heard a lot of chatter during the lean years, that the kids were not to blame. That the team just lacked depth, and once they got that, the team would be off to the races.

Well the team finally did get depth, and if anyone said that they believed that Eberle and RNH would contribute as little as they have to the winning effort, I think they’d be lying.

Both of those guys have underperformed relative to expectations for certain.

So it’s also possible that Taylor Hall would not contribute as much to a winning effort as we think he would have either, and it could be 4-5 years before we see him get a chance so it will be an academic argument I guess.

blainer

Side: Do you consider the teams the players play on to properly rate them?

If your asking me do I think Taylor would be a better player playing with Sid .. then yes.

Kinger_Oil.redux

rickithebear,

– Great post LT! Ricki, I’m not sure if I follow?

– Is Larsson a top-20 RHD in this league?, in your opinion?

Chachi

Side: Not as bad as the Oilers as history shows, so……. not sure where you are going with this?

You mocked someone for not considering quality of team when comparing players. I pointed out that Columbus was awful while Johansen was there. How do you need this explained to you?

Side

Ducey: I was just trying to explain the alleged irony.

See, told you I am dense.

rickithebear

the crux of the Data was that a top 15 HD dman: over last 3 years is
360/15 1 in 12 Dmen

Halls 60g 156P is 1 in 7.7 Fwds

So when looking for Cup core
1. Top 10 HD goalie
1 in 6 golaies
2. 3+ top 60 HD dmen
1 in 6 Dmen
3. 5+ top 125 Fwd
1 in 2.9
6/2.9 yo are 107% less likely to get a top 60 HD Dman.

12/7.7 you 55.8% less likely to get a Top 15 HD Dman than a top 40 Fwd.
yet we replaced Hall with a top 45 off Fwd.

Ducey

Doug McLachlan:
I see that Steve Kournianos, aka The Draft Analyst, has his 2017 Mock Draft up, for the first round – others to follow in the days to come.

Interesting names falling around the Oilers pick at #1 but I’m curious if anyone has any opinion on overage center from Tri-City, Morgan Geekie?Very nice jump in his counting stats from draft year to this one and at 6’2″ he isn’t undersized like so many players that get passed over.

Doesn’t sound cool enough for an 18 yr old, although those guys often turn out the most successful in the long run

Ducey

Side: Just imagine how bad the Oilers would have been if they didn’t have Hall for those years.

This is such a bizarre conversation. Individual difference makers rarely carry a team on their backs for an entire season. It’s a team game. A game that requires an NHL quality goaltender, an NHL quality defense and an NHL quality offense to be successful.

In Hall’s tenure, how many of those years can you say he had an NHL quality defense and NHL quality goaltender behind him?

Is it a winger’s job to play Goaltender and Defense in addition to being a winger?

Do people forget how bad the Oilers were in the last 10 years? And by Oilers, I mean the entire team, not just Taylor Hall.We seem to be living in an era where if you refer to 2010 – 2016 Oilers there’s only 1 player on the team and his name is Taylor Hall. “But Taylor Hall didn’t carry the team to the playoffs on his back single handedly. Therefore, he is not a good player”

I was just trying to explain the alleged irony.

Doug McLachlan

I see that Steve Kournianos, aka The Draft Analyst, has his 2017 Mock Draft up, for the first round – others to follow in the days to come.

Interesting names falling around the Oilers pick at #1 but I’m curious if anyone has any opinion on overage center from Tri-City, Morgan Geekie? Very nice jump in his counting stats from draft year to this one and at 6’2″ he isn’t undersized like so many players that get passed over.

Side

Chachi: The answer to the question was – Columbus was a bad team. They were a very bad team.

Not as bad as the Oilers as history shows, so……. not sure where you are going with this?

Side

Ducey: He is supposed to be a difference maker, yet never seems to make a difference for his team’s record.

Just imagine how bad the Oilers would have been if they didn’t have Hall for those years.

This is such a bizarre conversation. Individual difference makers rarely carry a team on their backs for an entire season. It’s a team game. A game that requires an NHL quality goaltender, an NHL quality defense and an NHL quality offense to be successful.

In Hall’s tenure, how many of those years can you say he had an NHL quality defense and NHL quality goaltender behind him?

Is it a winger’s job to play Goaltender and Defense in addition to being a winger?

Do people forget how bad the Oilers were in the last 10 years? And by Oilers, I mean the entire team, not just Taylor Hall. We seem to be living in an era where if you refer to 2010 – 2016 Oilers there’s only 1 player on the team and his name is Taylor Hall. “But Taylor Hall didn’t carry the team to the playoffs on his back single handedly. Therefore, he is not a good player”

Jethro Tull

AsiaOil,

Bag of Pucks,

I really miss all the quality posters that have left in the last 2 weeks because of post like these.

I try to answer a question. It stimulated debate, some for, some against. I’m pro-Hall. But now I must have a medical condition, otherwise I can’t possible hold to my point of view.

It IS possible to acknowledge that Hall is a very good player without being a complete dickhead about it. It IS also possible to debate his qualities in comparison to another player without being a dickhead about it.

You guys argue it out, I’m bitter! (MST3K reference)

I’m going riding. See you all tomorrow.

Chachi

Side: Since 2010? Better than the Oilers with the exception of 2 seasons I believe and they had a lot more spikes in performance.

The Oilers were more consistent in their poor performance.

The answer to the question was – Columbus was a bad team. They were a very bad team.

Gayfish

How are we not done with the GR trade? Right idea, wrong player identified. This falls on the OBC, who I assume were hyperventilating when PC asked about him.

I’m over the Hall trade too. I don’t think the price was out of line, PC was talking to everyone, he knew what he was worth. It made the team better, and Taylor Hall has 3 years now that establish him as a 65pt player.

Chiarelli has brought calm and intelligence to the gm position, which is huge after the “Do something Tambo” years. Just listening to him tell the media (think it was Rishaug) that Eberle is a good hockey player was awesome.

Side

Chachi: How do you rate the Columbus Blue Jackets teams that Ryan Johansen played on early in his career?

Since 2010? Better than the Oilers with the exception of 2 seasons I believe and they had a lot more spikes in performance.

The Oilers were more consistent in their poor performance.

Chachi

Bag of Pucks: 10 lbs of shit in a 5 lb bag?

That is not being very kind to the bag of shit.

Ducey

Side: Feeling dense today as I am missing the ironic part.

He is supposed to be a difference maker, yet never seems to make a difference for his team’s record.

Bag of Pucks

Chachi: How do you rate the Columbus Blue Jackets teams that Ryan Johansen played on early in his career?

10 lbs of shit in a 5 lb bag?

Chachi

Ducey: Is there anything that Hall does appreciably better than Johansen?

Not trying to be a smartass, but it seems like stats like pp/g, p/60, CF%, pp efficiency, pk ability all are very close, or in Johansen’s favour.

I think Taylor Hall is a wonderful player and I agree with you.

AsiaOil

Bag of Pucks: The good news if you’re infected with THIS is many thousands of Oiler fans also suffer from THIS. THIS primarily affects the hippocampus area of the brain where feelings of longing and nostalgia originate. THIS is not fatal but THIS does severely affect quality of life with sufferers reporting an inability to truly appreciate winning hockey without accompanying symptoms of misery and complaint.

No cure has as yet been identified for THIS but research indicates that a healthy dosage of ‘Stanley Cup’ shows positive signs for immediate remission. If untreated for too long, THIS can escalate into THOSE – Taylor Hall Obsessive Sycophant Epidemic.

Two holistic alternative treatments, THAT – Taylor Hall Accepts Trade, and THATWCY– Taylor Hall Accepts Trade, Why Can’t You? are also showing encouraging signs for THOSE suffering with THIS.

Touche my friend 🙂

Chachi

Side: Do you consider the teams the players play on to properly rate them?

How do you rate the Columbus Blue Jackets teams that Ryan Johansen played on early in his career?

Ducey

Chachi: He plays left wing, doesn’t take face-offs or kill penalties and doesn’t have much of a defensive reputation – all things that GMs also value when looking at their lineups. It might not be right or fair, but that is the way it is. Johansen is the more valuable player in today’s NHL.

Is there anything that Hall does appreciably better than Johansen?

Not trying to be a smartass, but it seems like stats like pp/g, p/60, CF%, pp efficiency, pk ability all are very close, or in Johansen’s favour.

frjohnk

While its with an asterisk, I like the Larsson Hall trade and wouldnt redo it.

But here is a question.

How much does Larsson move the dial compared to Hall in the 15-16 season if this trade was made in the summer of 2015 instead of 2016 and everything else remains the same ( injuries, lack of depth, many players playing above their head)?

This would the top forwards 6 in TOI if Hall is gone that year.

LEON.DRAISAITL
MARK.LETESTU
JORDAN.EBERLE
RYAN.NUGENT-HOPKINS
LAURI.KORPIKOSKI
MATT.HENDRICKS

The top 4 D of 15-16 would look better though
ANDREJ.SEKERA
ADAM.LARRSON
DARNELL.NURSE
MARK.FAYNE

2 top 4 Dmen, 2 guys who should be 3rd pairing/AHL.

Side

hunter1909: The irony contained in this statement runs as deep as the Mariana Trench.

Feeling dense today as I am missing the ironic part.

Chachi

Oddspell:
Chachi,

I imagine it depends on the team, but I think Nashville was probably hunting specifically for a #1 center.

I agree, they were looking for a #1 centre.

Chachi

Jethro Tull: Hal plays ‘river pusher’.Position doesn’t apply as much when comparing these players.He can play with a weaker center and make them better.Can Ry Jo do the same with weaker wingers?

He plays left wing, doesn’t take face-offs or kill penalties and doesn’t have much of a defensive reputation – all things that GMs also value when looking at their lineups. It might not be right or fair, but that is the way it is. Johansen is the more valuable player in today’s NHL.

Ducey

Stanley:
AsiaOil,

Dougie Hamilton?

Isn’t the rumour that Chia tried to get him, was going to pay more than CGY, but BOS decided to go with CGY?

So, that did not appear to be an option.

Also regarding Ryan Johansen v Hall, note that it is not who the math says is the better player, its who GM’s see as the better player. NASH wants defensive, physical players normally. They value defense and center. It seems clear to me that Johansen fits their mold perfectly. Plus they had a need for a 1 C. Hall didn’t meet their needs or preference, even assuming they liked him.

As it happens, Hall pushed the river to a .736 p/g this year (53 pts). Johansen was .744 (60 pts), did not miss a game and played a much more important position. On top of that he led his team in CF% (that would be the river pushing stat)

Maybe Poile knows what he is doing, eh?

hunter1909

Side: I wonder what Hall can do on a good team.

The irony contained in this statement runs as deep as the Mariana Trench.

rickithebear

the Measure of an organization is not Making the Playoffs it is winning as many championships in as shortest time possible

Modern Era: 67-68 to 16-17 50 years 49 seasons

the Standard Repetitive Cup Core:

Game roster
2 golaies – 60
12 Fwds – 360
6D – 180

1: top 10 HD goalie:
1 per 6 Goalies

2. 3+ top 60 HD Dmen
1 out of 3 Dmen
Prefer 2 top 30
1 out of 6 dmen

3. 5+ top 125 Forwards 16G and 39Pt year to year.
1 out of 2.8 Forwards

when trading players.
you must Consider the cup core ratio’s.
we traded A top 15 HD dman last 3 years
180/15 is 1 in 12 dmen

on average 100 fwds achieve 15G 44P each season
that would be 45G 132p over 3 seasons.

104 forwards have achieved that.
Current oilers:
Eberle 69G 161p 29 forwards achieved this.
Lucic 61G 149p
Mcdavid 46G 148P
Draisatl 48G 137P
RNH 54G 133P 85 playes achieved

Hall achieved
60G 156P

50 Forwards achieved
60G 149P

Side

blainer:

IMO one should look at the last two years to properly rate these two players. In that light there is no way I take Hall over RJ. Again center is the more important position.

Do you consider the teams the players play on to properly rate them?

Bag of Pucks

AsiaOil:
So boxcars are the be all stat now? Goodness grief. Taylor Hall does not get you Seth Jones no how no way. Nashville was only trading him for a 1C and top line C are worth way more than a LW. Gudbranson is a 3rd pair dman. Hamilton is the only possible comparable and we offered more to the deranged Bruins than Calgary did. While Hamilton is clearly a better offensive player, he is also clearly far behind Larsson defensively.

Seems like a new medical condition has been identified – THIS – Taylor Hall Infatuation Syndrome.

The good news if you’re infected with THIS is many thousands of Oiler fans also suffer from THIS. THIS primarily affects the hippocampus area of the brain where feelings of longing and nostalgia originate. THIS is not fatal but THIS does severely affect quality of life with sufferers reporting an inability to truly appreciate winning hockey without accompanying symptoms of misery and complaint.

No cure has as yet been identified for THIS but research indicates that a healthy dosage of ‘Stanley Cup’ shows positive signs for immediate remission. If untreated for too long, THIS can escalate into THOSE – Taylor Hall Obsessive Sycophant Epidemic.

Two holistic alternative treatments, THAT – Taylor Hall Accepts Trade, and THATWCY – Taylor Hall Accepts Trade, Why Can’t You? are also showing encouraging signs for THOSE suffering with THIS.

Stanley

AsiaOil,

Dougie Hamilton?

blainer

season not played: There is no doubt Hall came out of the box a better player than Johansen, but as it is turning out with a few players from the 2010 draft, Hall is not the best player right now out of that draft.Just off the top of my head, I would rather have Seguin, Johansen, Tarasenko, Fowler and Kuznetsov. That is where I will stop without consulting hockey DB. Hall rang up a few points in his first few years , because he was NHL ready, while the other guys had to feel their way in to the league to reach their ceiling. That is your 100 points difference.

Was about to say the same thing. Johansen had to develop. It happens. For me it’s what have ya done for me lately.

IMO one should look at the last two years to properly rate these two players. In that light there is no way I take Hall over RJ. Again center is the more important position.

Hope some day soon Hall gets to play on a good team to show he can still be elite stay healthy and not fall down !!

StixMalone

AsiaOil: Seems like a new medical condition has been identified – THIS – Taylor Hall Infatuation Syndrome.
  (Quote)  (Reply)

Ha love it…

Side

season not played: That is your 100 points difference.

And Hall did that on a team that was consistently one of the worst teams in the league each year.

I wonder what Hall can do on a good team.

Or, I wonder how Johansen, Seguin, Tarasenko, Fowler and Kuznetsov would have done on the Oilers during the same period.

season not played

Side:
Ryan Johansen

GP: 433
Goals: 101
Assists: 187
Points: 288

Taylor Hall

GP: 453
Goals: 152
Assists: 229
Points: 381

I guess being a center compensates for almost 100 point difference?

I don’t know about you guys, but I would trade my center for someone with that kind of offense.

There is no doubt Hall came out of the box a better player than Johansen, but as it is turning out with a few players from the 2010 draft, Hall is not the best player right now out of that draft. Just off the top of my head, I would rather have Seguin, Johansen, Tarasenko, Fowler and Kuznetsov. That is where I will stop without consulting hockey DB. Hall rang up a few points in his first few years , because he was NHL ready, while the other guys had to feel their way in to the league to reach their ceiling. That is your 100 points difference.

Side

AsiaOil:
So boxcars are the be all stat now? Goodness grief. Taylor Hall does not get you Seth Jones no how no way. Nashville was only trading him for a 1C and top line C are worth way more than a LW. Gudbranson is a 3rd pair dman. Hamilton is the only possible comparable and we offered more to the deranged Bruins than Calgary did. While Hamilton is clearly a better offensive player, he is also clearly far behind Larsson defensively.

Seems like a new medical condition has been identified – THIS – Taylor Hall Infatuation Syndrome.

Hall also has good fancy stats. The evidence that Hall is a very good player has been posted around many, many times, but obviously people don’t want to acknowledge it which is why I did a broad comparison.

If Nashville badly needed a winger, I guarantee that Hall would have been more than enough for Seth Jones. Don’t you?

jtblack

Jethro Tull,

Hall did push the Top 3 NJ Centres to 45, 40 & 24 pt seasons. Not sure whom he played most with.

Oddspell

Chachi,

I imagine it depends on the team, but I think Nashville was probably hunting specifically for a #1 center.

AsiaOil

So boxcars are the be all stat now? Goodness grief. Taylor Hall does not get you Seth Jones no how no way. Nashville was only trading him for a 1C and top line C are worth way more than a LW. Gudbranson is a 3rd pair dman. Hamilton is the only possible comparable and we offered more to the deranged Bruins than Calgary did. While Hamilton is clearly a better offensive player, he is also clearly far behind Larsson defensively.

Seems like a new medical condition has been identified – THIS – Taylor Hall Infatuation Syndrome.

Side

Ryan Johansen

GP: 433
Goals: 101
Assists: 187
Points: 288

Taylor Hall

GP: 453
Goals: 152
Assists: 229
Points: 381

I guess being a center compensates for almost 100 point difference?

I don’t know about you guys, but I would trade my center for someone with that kind of offense.