LAZY, CRAZY HAZY DAYS OF SUMMER?

by Lowetide

Lots of talk about small moves by Peter Chiarelli this summer, likely due to his media avail on Tuesday. PC talked a lot about seeing this group grow and about progress made together. It sounds great, but new talent is the lifeblood of an organization and change is inevitable. Add legit cap issues on the horizon? We’re going to see action.

WHO IS LEAVING?

Matt Hendricks won’t be back, David Desharnais and Andrew Ference too. There will also be new players, or fringe players from last year playing major roles. Expect more Jujhar Khaira and there’s a chance Tyler Pitlick finally plays a full season in 2017-18.

The big item is cap restructuring. With two massive contracts on the way (Leon this year, McDavid next), we’re going to see something resembling Billy Guerin for Anson Carter and it very well could happen this summer. Change? Get used to it.

CURRENT 50-MAN (RFA’S INCLUDED)

  • The current estimate (my estimate) is 38, with all of the strikethroughs gone baby gone. I’m not certain about guys like Iiro Pakarinen, who has expansion uses but is probably at the every end of the “NHL winger” depth chart on this team.
  • The NHL blue and goaltending look set, but with the Sekera injury (and Todd McLellan’s preference for Kris Russell over Mark Fayne) we’re likely to see changes. Reinhart out (expansion draft) and Russell plus a RHD (Pysyk, Petrovic) seems likely.
  • Lots of things in play up front, including Benoit Pouliot out and Zack Kassian signing a two or three-year deal.
  • As much as Chiarelli’s avail suggested he wanted to see this group for a longer period, the cap and roster pressures won’t allow it. Adding Russell and a RHD mean change somewhere, probably on the wing.

CHIARELLI’S SUMMER LIST

  1. Get Connor McDavid signed to a long-term contract. I look every day to see if anyone with a louder voice than this blog is talking about the outer marker ($15 million per season). The Oilers negotiation with 97’s side is going to be limited, because anything below that number represents real value. I keep reading these “he’ll take $9.7 million for the good of the team” tweets and that strikes me as unreasonable. If he signs for eight years and $97 million ($12.125 million per season) that will represent a bargain contract.
  2. Get Leon Draisaitl signed to a long-term contract. I keep hoping $7 million because that’s manageable this year, but the young man kept filling the damned net! It might be $7.5 million (Bob mentioned that number yesterday) and PC will need to move some deck chairs but the team can manage it. More inexpensive wingers required!
  3. Negotiate the expansion draft rapids without giving up a valuable piece of the future. Everyone is thinking Griffin Reinhart and that makes a lot of sense. LV must be interested in young players who can grow with the group, meaning GR and Laurent Brossoit plus Jujhar Khaira could all be on the Golden Knights list. None of these names would be terminal for the Oilers.
  4. Find a way to trade Benoit Pouliot off the roster. There is no easy road here, and I remain hopeful the organization decides to hold off on buying him out if a trade can’t be made. It is in the realm of possibility that BP recovers his offense, and remember he was very effective with McDavid (and McDavid with he) not so long ago. The reality is Edmonton has to offload some of their expensive wingmen and Pouliot is the obvious choice.
  5. Find a second pairing D with two-way acumen. This has now morphed into getting an entire second pairing for much of the season since the Sekera news. If the club could grab Pysyk after the expansion draft, that would be a very strong addition. Russell on a one-year deal is probably good business (Brian Campbell is out there, but would he be interested in Edmonton?) but the contract may require more seasons and you should be prepared for it.
  6. Find a bottom 6F who can help the offense. Martin Hanzal would be ideal and it does look as though a center who can win faceoffs may be the target. I will explore the forwards available (free agency and trade) tomorrow morning, seems as though we’re going to see that kind of addition in the next three months. Brian Boyle?
  7. Find a way to cover off buried contracts. Reading the tea leaves, seems Fayne is likely to play again in Bakersfield and give the team  defensive cover. Pouliot’s situation is different and the club could buy him out, but that takes on some challenges of its own.
  8. Make enough cap room to get everyone in under the number with enough room to spare for the trade deadline. If the Oilers add Mark Pysyk and Brian Boyle as the major moves of summer, there will be some exits. I think we will see a more substantial move than those acquisitions and suspect an expensive contract from the forward group is heading out of town. Never trust the general manager to tell you exactly what he is thinking. I know that may be your mindset, as the Oilers have employed men who did it in the past. PC didn’t tell us his plans this week. Pretty sure.

DYLAN WELLS SIGNS!

The look of Edmonton’s goalie depth chart has changed completely since the day Peter Chiarelli took over. Back in May 2015, the signed men were Ben Scrivens, Laurent Brossoit, Tyler Bunz, Frans Tuohimaa.

Wells has had one strong OHL season (.916SP this season) and a mammoth playoff (.930SP, again this spring). He posted save percentages of .893 and .871 in his two other junior seasons, so we’ll look for him to post impressive totals in Peterborough this year before turning pro fall 2018.

I think the Oilers are close now to filling out the roster of goalies for next year. Talbot and Brossoit in the NHL, Ellis and Starrett in the AHL and perhaps a veteran Bakersfield signing to offer cover at the minor league level (Starrett could play in the ECHL for much of the season).

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JARI KURRI!

I loved watching him play. A 200-foot winger with eyes in the back of his head and supreme chem with Wayne Gretzky, I met him a few times back in the day and he was a very nice fellow. Verbal from the mean streets of Finland suggest he remains a good guy, always makes me feel good to know there are at least a few left on the planet. He was a sublime hockey player, it was a privilege to watch him play.

JESSE PLAYING AT WHC’S TODAY!

Word is he is on a feature line against the USA (with Sebastian Aho & Mika Pyörälä). Fill the net young man, prove that coach wrong and then do it again and again. No mercy. JP has been the subject of several posts on this blog over the spring, but the baffling handling by team Finland really surprises. The game is underway, updates available here.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun morning with lots of news to discuss. 10 this morning, TSN1260 and scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult  of Hockey. Jesse Puljujarvi, Leon Draisaitl and the summer ahead for the Oilers.
  • Don Landry, CFL.ca. The CFL is gearing up, we’ll look at some of the big stories entering camp.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Will the Ottawa Senators beat Pittsburgh? Will Nashville get past Anaheim? Who wins Stanley? Plus some Oilers rumors.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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Woogie63

We all LOVE Connor, but +$12M x 8 for his second contract is crazy talk. Kane and Toews had two win two Stanley’s and Sid never got this type of money …. now the third contract…..

He is going to get a big contract, but dial it back a bit.

PunjabiOil

Would aim 8 X 7M for Drai. He has 5 RFA years. He has significant room to grow, but this was only 1 year (playing with 97 didn’t hurt). You have to use your leverage despite how in love you are with the player.

McDavid will get what he wants. There is no leverage there. Hopefully he takes a haircut (11M) in the process.

Southern Oil

Woogie63:
We all LOVE Connor, but+$12M x 8 for his second contract is crazy talk.Kane and Toews had two win two Stanley’s and Sid never got this type of money …. now the third contract…..

He is going to get a big contract, but dial it back a bit.

Did either of these guys win the Hart in their first full season – 2nd in the league? He’s going to get paid.

See Jesse is on line 2 today at the WHC. Go Finland! Don’t let my American wife and friends see this post please.

JohnnyOilfan

LT, how are you on Dougie Hamilton these days? What are the chances of the Flames and Oilers making a trade, Hamilton for Eberle. Flames will get a Top 4 RW to play with Gaudreau and Monahan. They free up a spot to sign Russell. The Oilers get a young RW dman and can try to sign versteeg to play the RW.

Ducey

I don’t want to sound like Bettman, but wasn’t the idea that guys would be under team control for their RFA years and therefore get less money?

If this is the case, then wouldn’t McDavid get something like $6, $8, $10, $12, $15, $15, $15 on a 7 year deal? The first 4 years would be RFA years. That works out to $96 million. So the $97 million number would seem to be right on, no? 97/7= $13.7 million a year for a cap hit.

If I am right, this would seem be about the most McDavid could get on a long term deal.

who

Everyone keeps talking about trading for a Dman from Vegas after expansion but wouldn’t the Oilers have more trade leverage by making a deal with one of the teams likely to lose a Dman before the expansion draft.
I realize the Oilers would then have to protect 4D and 4F but if our top 4 is Drai, Nuge, Lucic and Eberle I don’t see another irreplaceable piece. And if you trade Eberle you can then protect Kassian for example.
What about Maroon you ask. Well what about Maroon. He is a value contract but for only 1 more year and in my eyes Caggiula is already a better fit on McDavids left wing.

Gayfish

I think you are way off base on CMD salary. If they use crosby’s percentages as comparable, that works out to 11million or 9.7 million (Crosby’s first and second contract respectively). Also keep in mind the cap was rising much faster at that time (minimum 5% a year).

The highest Cap hit in the league is 10.5 million. Some players are making up to like 13.5, but they are front end loaded, which Connor won’t be. I would be shocked if the price is as high as you say. They could move the year prices around, but that doesn’t really matter unless you are going to be trading the player, or are anticipating retirement.

jtblack

I think the Oilers will move on from Ebs even if the trade is a “Loss” … Cap $$ has to be factored into trades now, so even though the player trade may be a Loss, if it saves $2 or more Million, that has tremendous value (that can be 2 bottom 6 Forwards) ..

How about these guys.

3C if the Oilers need one; Fisher, Bonino or Boyle ..

I think Ebs is gone for sure and the Oilers should look for a cost effective replacement; Vrbata, Williams, Eaves …

As for McDavid and Drai … I think the highest Cap Hits right now are $10.5 Million … Connor will definitely be the highest paid player .. I think he comes in around $12 Mil per and will have a lockout proof contract (all bonus money that year, which has to be paid regardless of Lockout). I hope Drai comes in at $7 or under …

Even if you say $12.5 and $7.5; total of $20 Million to them …that’s just the Reality of what PC will have to navigate … I would much rather have to pay 1st rounders who have succeeded, than contemplate giving them away for 3rd round picks .. This is the price of success !!!!!!!!!!

Kevin Lowe

Woogie63:
We all LOVE Connor, but+$12M x 8 for his second contract is crazy talk.Kane and Toews had two win two Stanley’s and Sid never got this type of money …. now the third contract…..

He is going to get a big contract, but dial it back a bit.

Salary cap was 56.7 million in 2008 when Crosby signed his 2nd contract which was 8.7 million dollars a year times 5 years.
If the cap is 75 million next year then the identical contract as a percentage of the cap is 11.3 million time 5 years.

JustWatt

Kurri was always my favorite player as a kid growing up. I was searching for a non-Gretzky player to be my favorite and when I was 8 or 9 I would read the Journal Sports section for game updates and such. It was there that I discovered that Kurri and I shared a birthday and from then I never had another favorite player and could never have chosen better! Broke my heart to watch Kurri leave as much as Gretzky.

anonymous

Is there a reason Sekeras can’t waive and be left unprotected? Would seem like an no brainer to bring in a defenceman prior to the draft and ask him to waive.

jtblack

I hope PC keeps RNH for this year as he can afford to … With McD, Leon and RNH I think this team truly can compete for a Cup …

The trick will to NOT be Dallas. Dallas was high power Offense and then Nill let 3 NHL D men walk away (Russell, Demers, Gologoski) … That crushed them and they missed the playoffs ..

So IF Russell signs elsewhere and we count Sekera as gone; We need to replace those 2 bodies ..

I also think if Oilers are in playoffs by Trade Deadline that PC is a buyer next year …

Ribs

I’ll never forget watching this highlight of McDavid’s first shift in the OHL against Dougie Hamilton….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTO2ylBzE0o#t=01m08s

I wonder what Connor thinks of this guy?

jtblack

Ribs,

Dougie steps into a 15 yr old an acts all tough .. that about sums up his character .. 🙂

Kinger_Oil.redux

– Great post LT!

-OK all you armchair GM’s: Last year I “ripped off” Hunters poll. So I will do it again: here’s my questions that we can “Prognosticate for 2017 game 1”. Picks have to be in before the Vegas draft:

1) Which Oil player will Vegas select?:
2) Who is our first pick in the Entry Draft?
3) Does Ebs get moved? (bonus if you pick for who)
4) Does RNH get moved (bonus if you pick for who)
5) Who is our back-up G on game 1?
6) Total $ amount/years for Russell (0 is an answer)
7) Total $ amount/years of McDavid’s contract?
8) Total $ amount/years of Drai’s contract?
9) Which 2 D dress with Larsson/Klef/Nurse/Benning on game 1?
10) Biggest off-season F acquired?:
11) Is Jessie playing game 1?
12) How many roster trades does Chia make?

– Last year Leadfarmer was the winner (and LT got a paypal contribution! Same this year. I think the questions are easier this year: as there is less left to do!)

– Please send me in the following format:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12

dustrock

Didn’t get a chance to comment in last night’s Klefbom thread, but had to mention: though I love Radiohead and “True Love Waits” is genius, so many of these songs are sad, they’re hard to reconcile with the players.

“Don’t leave” – was thinking about Petry or Yakupov. Or Hall. 😉

stush18

anonymous:
Is there a reason Sekeras can’t waive and be left unprotected? Would seem like an no brainer to bring in a defenceman prior to the draft and ask him to waive.

Looks bad. Pisses him and teammates off.

Also, why would you? We want more for him, not less.

dustrock

Kinger_Oil.redux:
– Great post LT!

– Please send me in the following format:
1 – Reinhart
2 – Robert Thomas (London Knights)
3 – Eberle stays
4 – RNH for Tyson Barrie
5 – Brossoit is backup
6 – not signing Russell
7 – McDavid – $10,97 million for 8 years
8 – Draisaitl – $7.5m for 8 years
9 – not sure I understand this question – pairings? Klef-Lars, X-Benning, Nurse-X (x being new)
10 – new F- Drew Stafford – Matty will be happy
11 – Puljujarvi will play Game 1 for sure, barring injury.
12 – roster trades – 3 (this is offseason and no draft picks)

russ99

anonymous: Why would he consider waiving his NMC? He’s a key player on the roster, it’s not like the writing is on the wall that we need to get rid of him.
We’re required to protect players with NMCs, so I don’t think that kind of jigging the expansion process would be allowed at this point anyway.

Why would he consider waiving his NMC? He’s a key player on the roster, it’s not like the writing is on the wall that we need to get rid of him.

We’re required to protect players with NMCs, so I don’t think that kind of jigging the expansion process would be allowed at this point anyway.

Ducey

anonymous:
Is there a reason Sekeras can’t waive and be left unprotected? Would seem like an no brainer to bring in a defenceman prior to the draft and ask him to waive.

If you are Vegas, are you going to pick Sekera or Reinhart?

Vegas will pick him, as he could be playing for them by December.

russ99

1) Reinhart
2) Nicholas Henry, RW, Regina (WHL)
3) Yes, for picks, prospects/cap dump
4) Yes with 1st round pick acquired for Ebs and Jones for Faulk.
5) Chad Johnson
6) $3.25M/1
7) $9.75M/3
8) $6.5M/2
9) Russell and Faulk (Klef- Larsson, Russell – Faulk, Nurse – Benning, Oesterle)
10) Hanzal
11) In the AHL
12) 4

Ribs

Happy Birthday, Jari!

I remember getting his autograph as a kid. I’m not sure if we knew he’d be there or not, but he was sitting at the back end of a grocery store at a little table by himself (a store manager guy hovered around intermittently). Jari looked like he was set up to hand out sample food. There was no lineup, he could barely speak english, and everyone involved looked very confused, haha. Good guys, those old Oilers.

Kinger_Oil.redux

dustrock:

– yes – for #9: the names of the two D who will fill out our top-6. (I figure barring injury/trade all of Klef/Larsson/Nurse/Benning are locks)

Ducey

Kinger_Oil.redux,

Oh, this is hard.

1. Pouliot (the Oilers will throw in a third)
2. Kole Lind
3. No
4. No
5. Brossoit
6. 2 yrs, 7 million
7. $97 million, 8 yrs
8. $52 million, 8 yrs
9. I assume by Sekera, you mean Larsson. I will say Russel and Tyutin.
10. Justin Williams
11. No (Williams takes his spot)
12. Not sure what a roster trade is. Involving guys that played an NHL game last year? 2

Kinger_Oil.redux

Ducey,

– yeah fixed that! I menat Larsson/Klef/Nuse/Benning!

vinotintazo

Kinger_Oil.redux:

1. Reinhart
2. Callen Foote
3. No.
4. No.
5. Brossoit
6. 3.5M x 3
7. 9.7M x 8
8. 6.35M x 8
9. Russell, Gryba
10. Hanzal
11. No
12. 1

McSorley33

Kinger_Oil.redux,

1) Which Oil player will Vegas select?:
2) Who is our first pick in the Entry Draft?
3) Does Ebs get moved? (bonus if you pick for who)
4) Does RNH get moved (bonus if you pick for who)
5) Who is our back-up G on game 1?
6) Total $ amount/years for Russell (0 is an answer)
7) Total $ amount/years of McDavid’s contract?
8) Total $ amount/years of Drai’s contract?
9) Which 2 D dress with Sek/Klef/Nurse/Benning on game 1?
10) Biggest off-season F acquired?:
11) Is Jessie playing game 1?
12) How many roster trades does Chia make?
– Last year Leadfarmer was the winner (and LT got a paypal contribution! Same this year. I think the questions are easier this year: as there is less left to do!)
– Please send me in the following format:

*********************************************************

1 – Griff
2 – Robert Thomas ( Right shot, Centre, July birthday – will he be around ? )
3 – Yes – a pure dump or for Strome.
4 – RNH stays
5 – Nilsson
6- Russell walks with better offer elsewhere
7-9.7 mill x 8
8-6.5 mill x 8
9-?
10-Martin Hanzal C(- owns the soul of Ryan Getzlaf)
11-No – will start in AHL
12-1 actual NHL roster trade

jtblack

1) Which Oil player will Vegas select?:
2) Who is our first pick in the Entry Draft?
3) Does Ebs get moved? (bonus if you pick for who)
4) Does RNH get moved (bonus if you pick for who)
5) Who is our back-up G on game 1?
6) Total $ amount/years for Russell (0 is an answer)
7) Total $ amount/years of McDavid’s contract?
8) Total $ amount/years of Drai’s contract?
9) Which 2 D dress with Larsson/Klef/Nurse/Benning on game 1?
10) Biggest off-season F acquired?:
11) Is Jessie playing game 1?
12) How many roster trades does Chia make?
– Last year Leadfarmer was the winner (and LT got a paypal contribution! Same this year. I think the questions are easier this year: as there is less left to do!)
– Please send me in the following format:
1 – Reinhart
2 – Kole Lind
3 – Yes. Islanders. I think Isles need to show JT they are serious and will be making moves
4 – No. He Hoists Cup with is Mates in Edm next year !
5 – Nick Ellis; he outplays LB for that role
6 – Russell gets 3 yrs @ 3.5 Mil
7 – $97 MIl over 8 Yrs
8 – $47 Mil over 7 yrs
9 – Russell & an acquisition in a trade/signing (Mike Green)
10 – Patrick Eaves
11- No. start in AHL like Leon did in his 2nd year
12 – 5 NHL deals. Pouliot will be moved. Ebs will be moved. Russell signed. 2 Top 9 Forwards signed (ie: Eaves / Bonino)

DBO

1) Which Oil player will Vegas select?:
2) Who is our first pick in the Entry Draft?
3) Does Ebs get moved? (bonus if you pick for who)
4) Does RNH get moved (bonus if you pick for who)
5) Who is our back-up G on game 1?
6) Total $ amount/years for Russell (0 is an answer)
7) Total $ amount/years of McDavid’s contract?
8) Total $ amount/years of Drai’s contract?
9) Which 2 D dress with Larsson/Klef/Nurse/Benning on game 1?
10) Biggest off-season F acquired?:
11) Is Jessie playing game 1?
12) How many roster trades does Chia make?
– Last year Leadfarmer was the winner (and LT got a paypal contribution! Same this year. I think the questions are easier this year: as there is less left to do!)
– Please send me in the following format:
1. Reinhart
2. Kole Lind
3. No
4. Yes for Faulk (CAR)
5. Broissot
6. 2 years $3.5 per
7. 8 years $100 million ($12.5 per)
8. 8 years $58 mill ($7.25 per)
9. Russell and Faulk
10. Hanzal
11. No
12. 4 (Nuge for Faulk, Pouliot for peanuts, Russell and Hanzal signed)

who

russ99:
1) Reinhart
2) Nicholas Henry, RW, Regina (WHL)
3) Yes, for picks, prospects/cap dump
4) Yes with 1st round pick acquired for Ebs and Jones for Faulk.
5) Chad Johnson
6) $3.25M/1
7) $9.75M/3
8) $6.5M/2
9) Russell and Faulk (Klef- Larsson, Russell – Faulk, Nurse – Benning, Oesterle)
10) Hanzal
11) In the AHL
12) 4

Wow! You really don’t like Nuge do you?
So your saying Nuge, 1st round pick AND Caleb Jones for Faulk. And you don’t see that as a wee bit of an overpay?

Jethro Tull
anonymous

stush18: Looks bad. Pisses him and teammates off.

Also, why would you? We want more for him, not less.

He’s out most of the year. I’d think they’d pass or be easily convinced to. Why would he be pissed if they intend on keeping him?

anonymous

Ducey: If you are Vegas, are you going to pick Sekera or Reinhart?

Vegas will pick him, as he could be playing for them by December.

Not sure Vegas would take a 30 year old seriously injured defence man. Throw them a low round pick not to.

DBO

Maroon-McDavid-Eberle
Lucic-Draisatl-Foo/Jesse
Caggiula-Hanzal-Slepeshev
Khaira-Letestu-Kassian

Klefbom-Larsson
Russell-Faulk
Nurse-Benning
Bear (to start. down when Sekera returns. Very Oilers thing to do)

Balance? Size? Gritensity? RH/LH balance until Sekera returns. Cap wise works this year. Next year Russell or Sekera or Eberle gots to go. But you also have Khaira cheap replacement for Letestu. Puljujarvi almost $3 mill less then Eberle. So that’s almost $4 million right there.

Kaptain Vikarious

I’ll rip off Hunters poll too…

All you armchair hubris humorists…

Pick the date our “beloved” Last Word Guy will return to us?

Tiebreaker: will it be v1.0 or v2.0? v3.0? beta?

Miss you WG!

🙂

jtblack

Maroon-McDavid-Eaves
Lucic-Draisatl-/Jesse
Caggiula-RNH-Slepeshev
Khaira-Letestu-Kassian

Klefbom-Larsson
Russell-Faulk
Nurse-Benning
Sekera

This lineup gives TMac the most flexibility. Plus 1 or 2 ads at the Trade Deadline and we go on the Cup Pursuit …

I know it might be dreaming, but I would love Faulk ..he’s exactly what we need on the back end ..

Ducey

anonymous: Not sure Vegas would take a 30 year old seriously injured defence man.Throw them a low round pick not to.

People are over estimating the amount of good players that will available to Vegas. There will be a ton of trades so teams don’t lose good players for nothing.

When the dust settles, Sekera will be one of the top 4 D available in your scenario. And Vegas is not exactly going for the Cup next year, so taking an injured guy won’t phase them. Sekera still has lots of tread left.

And if I am McPhee and you want to give me a 5th to lay off Sekera, I tell you to F off. The reason is that that leaves one less good Dman (whoever the Oilers would protect instead of Sekera) available to me.

Durag

Ribs:
Happy Birthday, Jari!

I remember getting his autograph as a kid. I’m not sure if we knew he’d be there or not, but he was sitting at the back end of a grocery store at a little table by himself (a store manager guy hovered around intermittently). Jari looked like he was set up to hand out sample food. There was no lineup, he could barely speak english, and everyone involved looked very confused, haha. Good guys, those old Oilers.

Was this at a south side Food for Less?? I swear I remember this too but I would have been like 4 years old.

Derek

Kaptain Vikarious:
I’ll rip off Hunters poll too…

All you armchair hubris humorists…

Pick the date our “beloved” Last Word Guy (WG) will return to us?

Tiebreaker:will it be v1.9 or v2.0?v3.0?beta?

I don’t think he will, he seems like a busy guy and he can communicate to most of the people who’s company he valued here (in my estimation) through other channels far easier and with less bullshit.

This particular community of the interweb is worse off for it. It seems that the success of the team has an inverse relationship with the quality of the comments section.

That’s not true perhaps, and it’s probably not a fair statement to make, but its hard to watch members of a community you’ve been a part of for a decade of torment bleed off.

I’m getting sentimental over a blog, sounds like I need to go take a teaspoon of cement and harden the fuck up.

COME BACK WG AND BRING G MONEY WITH YOU!

OilClog

regardless of the views on various topics surrounded the beloved Oilers, 98% of the community here are the Hardcore of the core for fanatical fan ship.

You should be able to brush off comments, topics, and the views you don’t agree with, it’s all discussion based, no one is murdeing anyone or kicking puppies, just presenting their take on it.

Takes don’t always have to include a strong dose of stat base, and for those that do pound the stats into their comments, everyone does appreciate it.

It creates the dialogue for discussion, everyone has a role to play and everyone’s voice should be heard, it is sport and it’s meant to be fun and make your blood pump.

People should come back

bendelson

Well… shit. A little late to the party perhaps, but I just found out about WG leaving the site.

Let me first say, that I fully understand and respect Darcy’s decision…

Secondly, let me state that I find it more than a little sad/ironic that by the time Woodmoney is released, the two ‘drivers’ behind it (both, historically iconic Loweticians) have left the site in absolute frustration. Yes, the very site where so many of the ideas behind it were first identified, challenged, then massaged here in the comments section…

I understand it, but I don’t like it. No sir…

New Improved Darkness

Connor will have trouble exceeding Nikita Nikitin’s $13.9 million per ($9 million total for 53 games played at the NHL level).

On the other hand, Drai could possibly exceed Mark Fayne’s $7.8 million per ($14 million total for 147 games played at the NHL level—lampreys to liver spots, we’re done adding under the GP column).

Of course, if I we’re feeling generous (I’m not), some allowance could be made for both players standing by with the meter running pending immediate call-up.

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20 June 2014
1 July 2014

If we had been purchased by Cuban instead of Katz—he did once sniff as far northsouth as the Penguins—this two week period would now be remembered—a fortnight which shall live in infamy—as the Cuban fizzle crisis (only with a worse outcome than the historic event achieved by a cat’s whisker).

Hardcore History has a recent episode on the CMC titled “Destroy of Worlds”. It’s a six-hour long “blitz” episode. (Make no mistake, there’s a ten minute introduction with a tongue-almost-in-cheek “our blitz is longer than your blitz” razzing of the out-group with those pathetic short-little-spans of attention.)

I’ve posted this before. It’s my favourite (black) doodle of all time:

JFK’s Decisions Doodle

For some half-hour during his Fortnight of Damocles, JFK sat there alone at his desk in an out-of-body trance drawing square boxes around the fatal word “decisions”.

Bad day at the office, all-time edition.

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And then a miracle happened.

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This was not actually the outcome I had come to witness. I was hoping for a straighter line between cause and effect by the time the dust settled.

But what we ended up with instead was a Tale of Two Eras. The Decade of Debacle vs. the Cap Management of Connor.

An object lesson in how history is so often written, for sure.

Even the stark arithmetic on Nikitin and Fayne owes a fair amount to straddling the golden ball (Fayne, at least, would have been played more if the Decade of Debacle had dwindled into a whimper instead of going out with a bang).

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What a bang.

Bullet-train delivered to the back of the head for any other explanatory context, with precision-linkage precisely drawn.

Excepting June, 2014.

Still bleeding.

Possible gangrene.

Medic!

Somebody fetch a saw.

Also, somebody fetch Lucic to secure the flailing limb.

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Lucic: Hey, why me?

Management: No movement claws.

Lucic: What?

Management: A common misunderstanding. Read your contract again, this time with your eyes open.

Jethro Tull

Derek,

bendelson,

Totally agree – we are poorer for having lost them.

Nuclear leak,

I don’t know if you were here during the….unpleasantness. There were ad hominem attacks made. I agree, one should always think twice before making grand gestures, but it is very understandable in the case of WG and GMoney.

Pink Socks

Kinger_Oil.redux,

1) Which Oil player will Vegas select?:
2) Who is our first pick in the Entry Draft?
3) Does Ebs get moved? (bonus if you pick for who)
4) Does RNH get moved (bonus if you pick for who)
5) Who is our back-up G on game 1?
6) Total $ amount/years for Russell (0 is an answer)
7) Total $ amount/years of McDavid’s contract?
8) Total $ amount/years of Drai’s contract?
9) Which 2 D dress with Larsson/Klef/Nurse/Benning on game 1?
10) Biggest off-season F acquired?:
11) Is Jessie playing game 1?
12) How many roster trades does Chia make?

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1) Jujhar Khaira
2) Timothy Liljegren falls ala Cam Fowler and Oil get a gift
3) Yes, along with a next year’s 1st or a high D prospect for Hamonic & Strome
4) No, he stays
5) Laurent Brossoit
6) 0, sorry no way to fit him in
7) $97 milion/8 years
8) $42 million/6 years
9) New acquisition (Hamonic) and Reinhart
10) Ryan Strome
11) Yes, 3RW
12) 2 Eberle traded, Pouliot traded, the rest is done through FA and pick/prospect trading

frjohnk

Jethro Tull: I don’t know if you were here during the….unpleasantness. There were ad hominem attacks made. I agree, one should always think twice before making grand gestures, but it is very understandable in the case of WG and GMoney.

We have lost other good posters as they were attacked as well. They can all be found on twitter.

This is still a great place to visit, but there are guys who come out of nowhere and start slinging insults on other posters and add nothing to the conversation at all.

There is no need for that.

And the thing is, while some of these posters dont bring much to the table, there are some who can bring much to the table but feel the need to sling the insults. Shame on them for that as they are better than that.

When I first joined this blog, I remember not agreeing with WG on quite a few things. Both us stubborn, there were many chances of our disagreements going off the rails but that didnt happen. Why? Because we didnt go and look to attack the other guy if the other guy didnt agree.

A healthy debate. ( for the most part) what a concept!!!

Now I have had other run ins with other posters and probably could have handled those run ins better. Im sure G and WG would say the same thing.

This is a stats heavy blog, and not having G and WG here is like not having Klefbom and McDavid on the team. The drivers of the stats are gone and while comment section is still good, its not elite.

Oh for those wondering, Im Laura Korpikoski in the stats realm. Just waiting for Chi…I mean LT to buy me out. 🙂

While we may not get some of the elite posters back, I do think we could all be a bit more respectful to one another, cause one day it could be too much for our host and then we will get the lights turned off here.

Jethro Tull

frjohnk: We have lost other good posters as they were attacked as well.They can all be found on twitter.

This is still a great place to visit, but there are guys who come out of nowhere and start slinging insults on other posters and add nothing to the conversation at all.

There is no need for that.

And the thing is, while some of these posters dont bring much to the table, there are some who can bring much to the table but feel the need to sling the insults.Shame on them for that as they are better than that.

When I first joined this blog, I remember not agreeing with WG on quite a few things. Both us stubborn, there were many chances of our disagreements going off the rails but that didnt happen.Why?Because we didnt go and look to attack the other guy if the other guy didnt agree.

A healthy debate. ( for the most part) what a concept!!!

Now I have had other run ins with other posters and probably could have handled those run ins better.Im sure G and WG would say the same thing.

This is a stats heavy blog, and not having G and WG here is like not having Klefbom and McDavid on the team.The drivers of the stats are gone and while comment section is still good, its not elite.

Oh for those wondering, Im Laura Korpikoski in the stats realm.Just waiting for Chi…I mean LT to buy me out.

While we may not get some of the elite posters back, I do think we could all be a bit more respectful to one another, cause one day it could be too much for our host and then we will get thelights turned off here.

Agreed. WG only got snippy with me if i brought a knife to a gun fight during a debate. Other than that, top poster.

And for the record, I am the ghost of Lennart Petrell of the stats world.

Ducey

Pink Socks,

You have Ebs and a high 1st rounder/ high D prospect going for Hamonic and Strome.

So the Oilers give up a 51 pt player and say Ethan Bear for a 30 pt player and a Dman that was dead last in CF% on his entire team?

No offense, but I sure hope you are wrong.

Cassandra

bendelson:
Well… shit.A little late to the party perhaps, but I just found out about WG leaving the site.

Let me first say, that I fully understand and respect Darcy’s decision…

Secondly, let me state that I find it more than a little sad/ironic that by the time Woodmoney is released, the two ‘drivers’ behind it (both, historically iconic Loweticians) have left the site in absolute frustration.Yes, the very site where so many of the ideas behind it were first identified, challenged, then massaged here in the comments section…

I understand it, but I don’t like it.No sir…

Why would Woodguy come back? Look at the threads the past few days. He has nothing in common with the people who dominate the posts They aren’t interested in discussion, they think events have proven them right and they tolerate no dissent. In recent days, longtime posters like Knightown and VOR, and a poster I didn’t recognized, have each been attacked, and not on substance, for departing from orthodoxy. The only reason for someone like Woodguy to post here is to fight. I think he decided he wasn’t interested in fighting anymore. The culture war within this community is over, and Woodguy’s side lost.

The better question is how long lowetide will be able to keep it going? Will he drift toward the interests and ideas of his new readers co-opted by the emerging Edmonton consensus, or will he be able to maintain his independence of mind and persist despite the resulting alienation from his audience?

Kinger_Oil.redux

Jethro Tull: Agreed. WG only got snippy with me if i brought a knife to a gun fight during a debate.Other than that, top poster.

And for the record, I am the ghost of Lennart Petrell of the stats world.

– For what it’s worth: I think part of the problem is that everyone is able to post, and everyone is entitled to an opinion on a blog.

– A blog where one can post isn’t a “campaign debate”, where only those who qualify get invited

– So it’s clearly difficult for some posters to filter out the noise from other posters that they deem jerks, or trollers, or not listening, or just plain rude.

– That’s both the limitation and the attraction of a blog with disparate opinions.

– I haven’t liked some of the things some have said for me, I’ve huffed off in a puff sometimes, and said stupid things: I’m not an elite poster. I love this hobby of mine which I call “Lowetiding”

– I hope they all come back as well. This is a great forum: Thanks LT!