YOU CAN’T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT

by Lowetide

I believe we can see enough of summer to draw some conclusions. Each offseason takes time to make itself known, but we usually get some kind of indication a couple of weeks out. Last year, we didn’t get the full photo in color until June 23:

I have written several times this spring about the possibility of the Oilers trading Taylor Hall. The reaction from some of you has been swift and negative, and I understand that feeling—trading him makes little sense to me. I began the spring thinking that Hall for Subban would satisfy the asset value, but begin summer thinking only Hampus Lindholm (and his lower cap hit) represents fair value.

The Milan Lucic news from yesterday (in my opinion) puts Edmonton on a collision course with a mammoth contract for the former Bruins winger. There are ways around dealing Hall—Benoit Pouliot could be dealt—but let’s get real the likely move is Hall for a RHD.

Since the moment we found out Connor McDavid would be an Oiler, the mind struggled to find superlatives for this stunning forward group. The two men have had one season—less, really—and it looks as though No. 4 will be cashed for blue.

There is more than one way to win—Whitey Herzog and Earl Weaver taught me that 35 years ago—but the Gary Carter trade taught me trading Taylor Hall is not a winning notion.

We wait. Source

WHAT ABOUT THIS YEAR?

The theme of this summer (in my opinion) will be the second pairing. Part of it comes from the Andrej Sekera injury (ugh) and part of it comes from the polarizing issue that is Kris Russell. When the SCF ends, and that could be tonight, we may see a transaction surrounding Jordan Eberle being dealt for a defenseman. I’ll name Travis Hamonic, Alex Petrovic, Matt Dumba and Tyson Barrie based on Frank Seravalli’s latest trade bait list.

I think the Eberle shopping may not be enough, and suspect that’s what happened a year ago. Peter Chiarelli may have to adjust his sights, perhaps making Ryan Nugent-Hopkins available or making a decision to acquire a less prominent option on defense.

It doesn’t sound sexy, but Jordan Eberle has value to this Edmonton Oilers team and trading him for something less than a quality option makes no sense. We may see Peter Chiarelli sign Kris Russell, move Matt Benning up to the second pairing, followed by a free-agent addition in the Cody Franson end of the free-agent pool.

CURRENT TRADE ASSETS OUT

  1. Jordan Eberle
  2. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  3. Jesse Puljujarvi
  4. No. 22 overall
  5. Caleb Jones
  6. 2018 first-round selection
  7. Anton Slepyshev
  8. Jujhar Khaira
  9. Ethan Bear
  10. Griffin Reinhart

What we have to ask ourselves is this: How many of these names could serve as substantial payment for a player like Travis Hamonic or Alex Petrovic? A year ago, Peter Chiarelli identified Milan Lucic as a suitable replacement for Taylor Hall before making a trade. One wrinkle we can look at now to possibly inform the future is that target list.

TARGETS, FORWARDS (MODIFIED)

  1. LC Martin Hanzal FREE AGENT (71gp, 20-19-39). Has to be high priority.
  2. RC Tyler Johnson, Tampa Bay Lightning. RFA 2017. 56 points per 82 games.
  3. C-R Ryan Strome, NY Islanders (69gp, 13-17-30). Rumors.
  4. R Sam Gagner FREE AGENT (81gp, 18-32-50). PP savant.
  5. R Justin Williams FREE AGENT (80gp, 24-24-48). Luxury.
  6. LC Nick Bonino FREE AGENT (80gp, 18-19-37). Two-way C.
  7. R Radim Vrbata FREE AGENT (81gp, 20-35-55). Scorer.
  8. R-L Thomas Vanek FREE AGENT (68gp, 17-31-48). Offensive option.
  9. R T.J. Oshie FREE AGENT (68gp, 33-23-56).  Not affordable.
  10. R Brett Connolly FREE AGENT (66gp, 15-8-23). Inexpensive scoring on RW.
  11. R Patrick Eaves FREE AGENT (79gp, 32-19-51). Volume shooter!
  12. RC Derek Ryan FREE AGENT (67gp, 11-18-29). Fine utility player.
  13. L Evander Kane, Buffalo Sabres (70gp, 28-15-43). Buy low power forward.
  14. RC Mika Zibanejad, New York Rangers. Averages 46 points per 82gp.
  15. LC Matt Duchene, Colorado Avalanche. Please please please Baby Jesus.
  16. LC Vladimir Sobotka, St. Louis Blues. Signed to a nifty $3.5 million times two.
  17. L Ilya Kovalchuk, New Jersey. Splendid KHL season, he’s coming back.
  18. R Brett Ritchie, Dallas Stars (78gp, 16-8-24). Shoots the puck a lot.
  19. RC Nathan MacKinnon, Colorado Avalanche. UFA 2023. Would cost the moon.
  20. R Jaromir Jagr FREE AGENT (82gp, 16-30-46). Now 70, still going.
  21. R Kris Versteeg FREE AGENT (69gp, 15-22-37). What he brings has value.
  22. R Ales Hemsky FREE AGENT (15gp, 4-3-7). Still brilliantly creative.
  23. LC Dominic Moore FREE AGENT (82gp, 11-14-25). PK and FO option.
  24. R Drew Stafford FREE AGENT (58gp, 8-13-21). Chiarelli type.
  25. LC Brian Boyle FREE AGENT (75gp, 13-12-25). He is on their list.
  26. R Jarome Iginla FREE AGENT (80gp, 14-13-27). He can still shoot the puck.
  27. L Patrick Sharp FREE AGENT. Depending on health and price.
  28. R Tyler Pitlick FREE AGENT (31gp, 8-3-11). Finally emerged, could return.
  29. R Jordan Weal FREE AGENT (23gp, 8-4-12). Eastern Pitlick.

I know it’s a long list and you’ve seen most of it before, but there could be clues here. If we get to the end of this month and it appears RNH is the ask for a RHD who can really help, then names like Martin Hanzal and Nick Bonino become more prominent. If Eberle is the man out, that might mean we see Edmonton pursue Thomas Vanek, Radim Vrbata or Sam Gagner. I have modified this list (and the one below) to reflect changing tides.

TARGETS, DEFENSE (MODIFIED)

  1. LD Kris Russell FREE AGENT. GM and coach like him, good chance he’ll return.
  2. RD Travis Hamonic, NY Islanders. A rumored target.
  3. RD Alex Petrovic, Florida Panthers. Rugged D, good possession numbers.
  4. RD Mark Pysyk, Florida Panthers. Panthers young and emerging blue.
  5. RD Justin Faulk, Carolina Hurricanes. It would take the Nuge.
  6. RD Kevin Shattenkirk FREE AGENT (80gp, 13-43-56). One year at big coin?
  7. RD Sami  Vatanen, Anaheim Ducks. Talented, inconsistent.
  8. RD Cody Franson FREE AGENT. His fancy stats: Out of the blue and into the black.
  9. RD Matt Dumba, Minnesota Wild. Power play option, chaos in his game.
  10. RD Josh Manson, Anaheim Ducks. A dream solution to 2RHD
  11. RD Radko Gudas, Philadelphia Flyers. Duck killer, if acquired.
  12. RD Jason Demers, Florida Panthers. Veteran D visited Edmonton as UFA last summer.
  13. RD David Savard, Columbus. Rarely mentioned but an interesting option.
  14. LD Ryan Murray, Columbus Blue Jackets. Doesn’t seem a fit.
  15. RD Tyson Barrie, Colorado Avalanche. He had a poor year, but has talent.
  16. LD Brian Campbell FREE AGENT (80gp, 5-12-17). The man can still wheel.
  17. LD Zdeno Chara, Boston Bruins. Played over 23 minutes a game this past season.
  18. RD Michael Stone FREE AGENT (64gp, 3-12-15). Last chance Texaco.

I’ve modified the list and will continue to do so as we begin to find out more about the decisions facing the team. The list is morphing from ‘wish list’ with top options at No. 1, to ‘target list’ and players most likely to be reasonable options are ranked higher.

CHIARELLI SUMMER LIST

  1. Negotiate the expansion draft rapids without giving up a valuable piece of the future. (Griffin Reinhart?)
  2. Find a way to trade Benoit Pouliot off the roster. (They may keep him)
  3. Find a second pairing D with two-way acumen. (Travis Hamonic) 
  4. Find a stopgap measure to replace Andrej Sekera’s minutes until he returns. (Kris Russell)
  5. Find a C-R who can help the offense and cover off where Leon isn’t at the time and to replace Jordan Eberle if he’s dealt. (Radim Vrbata? Brett Connolly?)
  6. Make enough cap room to get everyone in under the number with enough room to spare for the trade deadline. (Eberle out would help depending on actual deal)
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fifthcartel

Barcs,

I agree completely.

Ryan

fifthcartel:
Lowetide,

I have a feeling it’d be Petrovic if Tallon is back in charge, which for all accounts sounds like he is.

Petrovic has this puck optional / Gryba rap yet he’s posted back-to-back season of over a point per sixty at evens.

Granted he hasn’t had a sniff of PP time and he has three career NHL goals so I’d imagine he has a muffin of a shot…

But you don’t post over 1 point per hour two years in a row if you’re Gryba.

You also do get an even share of elite comp to other dmen on your team.

OriginalPouzar

I’m all over moving Eberle plus something (22nd overall? Bear?) for David Savard. Then sign Derek Ryan and trade Pouliot for a pick with $1.25M of retained salary.

Wingers are somewhat interchangeable:

Maroon/McDavid/Nuge
Lucic/Drai/Slep
Caggulia/Ryan/JP
JJ/Letstu/Kass

Pak

Klef/Larsson
Sekera/Savard
Nurse/Benning

Gryba (if Reinhart is taken in a few weeks) Simpson

Of course, Nurse will need to move to 2nd pairing while Sekera is out. I’d rather he force his way up the lineup then gifted 2nd pairing but, we have a major injury and I think we need to fill internally – Sekera will be back and a long-term replacement cannot be made for a short-term hole (for cap reasons).

LadiesloveSmid

If Eberle has to go, Pysyk would be a hard target for me.

Williams, Sharp, Versteeg for a hopefully cheap filler.

I think Pulju could be a full-time effective middle 6er this coming season (I think he already was one).

Campbell would be great to cover for Sekera’s absence, but I don’t think that’s happening. Davidson would’ve been too. I’d be down for trading Nurse for another blue and playing Reinhart too.

Barcs

fifthcartel:
Lowetide,

I have a feeling it’d be Petrovic if Tallon is back in charge, which for all accounts sounds like he is.

Yeah, wasn’t part of the reason they let Gallant go because he kept arguing for more physicality? Seem to recall that. That was before Tallon was put back in charge.

That’s fine, I would go with Pysyk anyway if given my druthers.

Puck movers that defend well but don’t put up a ton of points so they stay cheap. More of those please.

fifthcartel

Lowetide,

I have a feeling it’d be Petrovic if Tallon is back in charge, which for all accounts sounds like he is.

who

Glass:
I hope you don’t mind Lowetide, delete if you want. Thought it’d be a fun little game…

NHL Off-Season Choose Your Own Adventure!
Rules: Make sure 2 or more selections don’t conflict; you can’t trade to same player twice.

2RD
A) Trade Eberle for Hamonic or Demers
B) Trade Eberle to Vegas for Pysyk/Petrovic +
C) Trade Nuge for Barrie or Dumba
D) Trade Nuge + for Faulk or Savard
E) Sign Cody Franson or Michael Stone

LD: Need a stop-gap until Sekera gets back
A) Sign Russell
B) Find a way to protect Reinhart; run him 3D
C) Sign D of your choice (Campbell, Kulikov, Streit, Daley, Smith

RW: Not necessary if you chose C) or D) in ‘2RD’
A) Sign Depth: Pitlick, Foo, or Derek Ryan
B) Sign stop-gap top 6 option: Vrbata, Versteeg, Hemsky, Vanek, Sharp, Eaves, Williams, etc.

3C: Needed either way; McLellan loves the flexibility.
A) Trade for Jarnkrok. #22 gets the conversation started.
B) Trade the 2018 2nd for Erik Haula.
C) Trade Maroon for Sobotka.
D) Sign one of your choice: Bonino, Hanzal, Ryan, etc.
E) Take a risk, make a bet: One of Sheahan, Eakin, Strome, etc.

Backup
A) Run with Broissoit
B) Sign an FA on the market (name here…)
C) Trade for ‘X’ goalie (name here…)

First Round Selection: Choose your 3 preferred players in our range in order of most desirable.

I ended up with:
2RD: Trade Eberle for Hamonic
LD: Sign Campbell
RW: Sign Williams
3C: Trade our 2018 2nd for Erik Haula
Backup: Run with Broissoit
First Round Selection: Vesalainen, Brannstrom, Yamamoto.

2RD – A. Trade Eberle and Fayne for Hamonic and Grabow ski or B. Trade Eberle for Petrovic from Vegas if they select Pouliot.
LD stopgap – Reinhart, gotta find out about him sooner or later.
RW-sign Pitlick or Foo or both.
3C – take a risk E or do nothing.
Backup- Broisoit
Draft- have no idea.

TheFinn60

Lowetide,

I do not think a trade involving Ebs will be done in any other way then Chia cut some sort of deal with LV. Make no sense to trade for something you need to protect and then expose some other valuable player, not to shred salary anyway.

Chia is to smart for that. He might already have Foo “signed” and then goes after a 2D through a deal with Vegas. He might even go like: take so and so and you get Ebs if you give us so and so in return.

Vegas will need some proven forwards and Ebs could be a good option for them.

Anyway trading Ebs prior exp draft will not happen if the deal was not totally lopsided in Oilers favour, so not think Chia is that “dumb”.

Just my 5 cent worth…

Diablo

Centre of attention:
gadot10,

I am not being short sighted at all.

In my eyes, a lockout is unavoidable. A superficial escalation is still an escalation of the cap. And it will help the Oilers bottom line this summer irregardless. As LT’s math shows, with a relatively “stand pat” roster construction the Oilers will be 4 million over with a flat cap, perhaps more depending on what Chiarelli does.

Sticky wicket any which way you look at it. I understand your reasoning but respectfully disagree with your conclusion.

That article fails to take into account the LTIR savings from Sekera, and Jesse probably starts the year in the minors (unless he completely blows the doors off in training camp), with Pakarinen replacing his cap hit in the NHL. That gets you pretty close to getting under the cap, but still over a bit (I haven’t run the numbers though).

So you’re over the cap by a bit … that’s where Leon and Russel have to take less than what LT’s estimated there – 7 million for Leon, 3 million + term for Russell … save another 1.3 million.

NHL players are getting paid more than at any other time in league history. Money is not the problem, and their share of league revenues should not be an issue. The game will grow to add another market, should cause the revenues to increase and the cap to go up without the aid of the escalator next season.

But I’m in total agreement with you that we’re headed towards another lockout … though for different reasons this time … the lack of Olympics participation in favour of the NHL-sponsered World Cup, the concussion battle (Bettman and his cronies have gone so far as to try to strong arm Boston University to hand over confidential research data on CTE), and mental health care for retired players, the restrictive 50-man rosters … are just some of the grievances that we already know about.

OTOH the NHL is going to push back hard this time to institute non-guaranteed contracts NFL-style … owners are probably getting fed up buying out contracts at full value, when both the NFL and NBA have much more team/owner friendly buyout mechanisms.

Anyways, back on topic … with a bit of finessing the Oilers should be able to get under the cap for next season. They’ll have no room to maneuver of course, but the other contenders won’t either. Probably why the Oilers have been pumping up Eberle’s tires post-playoffs … to move his cap hit and give themselves some breathing space.

Centre of attention

gadot10,

I am not being short sighted at all.

In my eyes, a lockout is unavoidable. A superficial escalation is still an escalation of the cap. And it will help the Oilers bottom line this summer irregardless. As LT’s math shows, with a relatively “stand pat” roster construction the Oilers will be 4 million over with a flat cap, perhaps more depending on what Chiarelli does.

Sticky wicket any which way you look at it. I understand your reasoning but respectfully disagree with your conclusion.

Mantis

Glass:

RW: Not necessary if you chose C) or D) in ‘2RD’

There is no option C listed.

Diablo

Centre of attention: https://oilersnation.com/2017/06/11/flat-cap-the-hell-you-say/

I did … and I respectfully don’t agree with it.

Having the cap stay flat, gives management a better bargaining position with McDavid/Draisaitl and Russell … “there is only so much money available” … “if you want to be a competitive team, then everyone has to sacrifice a bit” … “sure we could offer you more, but we wouldn’t be able to bring back the same depth as we had last year” etc.

And it prevents the Oilers from spending like drunken sailors in UFA … no long-term big money contracts handed out to the likes of Hanzal or Boyle, that we will regret half a year later. This is perhaps the major difference in opinion that I have with his article …. I don’t want the Oilers to have the cap space to shoot themselves in the foot, by signing an ill-advised UFA deal.

Where I disagree with LT’s article as well, is that it only looked at the potential effect it might have on the Oilers, and I found it to be a bit half glass empty (which was surprising actually, cause he’s normally such an optimistic gent). A wider view of the entire Western conference, tells a much different story. A flat cap really puts the squeeze on Chicago and Anaheim, two of the teams that we are trying to move past.

Anyways … that’s my 0.02 cents … need about 5 bucks more for a Star$ucks latte.

OriginalPouzar

Diablo: Why Petrovic and not Pysyk … I haven’t seen either player at all … so I’d love to hear your scouting report on these two. Also what about Pulock? Thanks

I think Petrovic is more of a Gryba whereas Pysyk is more of an offensive puckmover (who’s offence has really come yet).

gadot10

Centre of attention:
Diablo,

gadot10,

Read lowetides piece and tell me you have the same feelings.

a flat cap is never good. not for a cap team like the Oilers.

Ideally, it escalates both years.

It is a horrible situation for the league, the players, and the fans if escrow is NOT contained at reasonble levels. An increase in the cap that does not result from an actual increase in revenues is a bad thing. It will breed tremendous instability.

We lost have a season of McDavid due to injury. Do you want to lose a full year of the seven the Oilers have McDavid for to a lockout or strike?

Shortsightedness with respect to the actual finances of the league is dumb.

McNuge93

If I understand this right a flat cap is a smart move by the players this year. Overall salary available is higher because of one new team LV. Maybe we don’t need that new 3C after all. See how it goes until the trade deadline. And use Fayne as stop gap until Sek is back. Either sign Russell short term or hopefully trade for a 2RD

Glass

I hope you don’t mind Lowetide, delete if you want. Thought it’d be a fun little game…

NHL Off-Season Choose Your Own Adventure!
Rules: Make sure 2 or more selections don’t conflict; you can’t trade to same player twice.

2RD
A) Trade Eberle for Hamonic or Demers
B) Trade Eberle to Vegas for Pysyk/Petrovic +
C) Trade Nuge for Barrie or Dumba
D) Trade Nuge + for Faulk or Savard
E) Sign Cody Franson or Michael Stone

LD: Need a stop-gap until Sekera gets back
A) Sign Russell
B) Find a way to protect Reinhart; run him 3D
C) Sign D of your choice (Campbell, Kulikov, Streit, Daley, Smith

RW: Not necessary if you chose C) or D) in ‘2RD’
A) Sign Depth: Pitlick, Foo, or Derek Ryan
B) Sign stop-gap top 6 option: Vrbata, Versteeg, Hemsky, Vanek, Sharp, Eaves, Williams, etc.

3C: Needed either way; McLellan loves the flexibility.
A) Trade for Jarnkrok. #22 gets the conversation started.
B) Trade the 2018 2nd for Erik Haula.
C) Trade Maroon for Sobotka.
D) Sign one of your choice: Bonino, Hanzal, Ryan, etc.
E) Take a risk, make a bet: One of Sheahan, Eakin, Strome, etc.

Backup
A) Run with Broissoit
B) Sign an FA on the market (name here…)
C) Trade for ‘X’ goalie (name here…)

First Round Selection: Choose your 3 preferred players in our range in order of most desirable.

I ended up with:
2RD: Trade Eberle for Hamonic
LD: Sign Campbell
RW: Sign Williams
3C: Trade our 2018 2nd for Erik Haula
Backup: Run with Broissoit
First Round Selection: Vesalainen, Brannstrom, Yamamoto.

DevilsLettuce

Hemmer finished the season with more goals then assists!

Other then the MSM who wouldn’t love to see Hemsky back?

All those feeds Hemmer use to set up and everyone whiffed on.. Mcdavid and Drai would become the shooter first with him.. would be real nice to see

Centre of attention

Diablo,

gadot10,

Read lowetides piece and tell me you have the same feelings.

a flat cap is never good. not for a cap team like the Oilers.

Ideally, it escalates both years.

Diablo

gadot10:
A flat cap this summeris a good thing for the Oilers.A flat cap next summer would have been a disaster for the OIlers.

A flat cap this year almost guarantees a cap escalation next year (when the Oilers will need it).

A flat cap is unambiguously good news.

A very good point as well.

Barcs

Lowetide: Fletcher is a smart GM

Agree for the most part, but boy that Hanzal trade…
Yikes.

Diablo

Lowetide: I like Patrovic. He’s inexpensive, shouldn’t cost the moon and can grow with the group.

Why Petrovic and not Pysyk … I haven’t seen either player at all … so I’d love to hear your scouting report on these two. Also what about Pulock? Thanks

gadot10

A flat cap this summer is a good thing for the Oilers. A flat cap next summer would have been a disaster for the OIlers.

A flat cap this year almost guarantees a cap escalation next year (when the Oilers will need it).

A flat cap is unambiguously good news.

Ryan

Lowetide: Absolutely true. Bob mentioned him about two days before the trade and honestly it was the first I’d heard the name.

Yes, I remember that moment almost like it was yesterday. It was at lunch time a few days before the trade. I was driving in my car listening to Oilers Now.

Okay, maybe I’ve already forgotten a few details…but Bob Stauffer was talking with iirc Craig Simpson. He sort of sounded like he was just spitballing ideas and he said that maybe Chiarelli would trade Taylor Hall for a player like Travis Hamonic or Adam Larsson. Then he paused.

When I heard Adam Larsson as a potential return, my first reaction was shock then horror at the idea of that being all you could get for trading Hall.

I had a knot in my stomach after that and as I was heading out to eat, I had lost my appetite.

When Stauffer mentioned Hall for Larsson what was most significant is that there had been all sorts of rumors swirling around in the weeks prior, but that was the very first time I had heard those two names connected.

Something clicked and carried that ominous feeling until the trade actually happened.

OriginalPouzar

Lowetide, if PIT wins the cup tonight, does the buyout window start on the 13th (48 hours after) or does it still open on the 15th?

OriginalPouzar

jtblack:
OriginalPouzar,

There are definitely some that want to see Ebs go, but I haven’t seen any ppl suggesting we should lose him for nothing?

I have, many times including today. I post on a good community (used to be the SN forums before those boards went dead and most regulars moved to a new forum started by some community members). Its generally a very good community with lots of knowledge and the Oilers forum is pretty active. There are some overly-emotional posters that seem to lose contact with reality and there are suggestions of “addition by subtraction” and “no trade value”, etc.

JD_Wry

@CoA

Ughhhhh if the cap is flat this summer is going to suck so bad.

This might help get you through.

https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/32091/211452/

Diablo

Centre of attention:
Ughhhhh if the cap is flat this summer is going to suck so bad.

I actually prefer the cap to remain flat this summer.

The Oilers cap situation for next season is fine – we’re not affected by a flat cap much.
On the other hand, a flat cap would do two things in our favour …
1) put a lot of pressure on teams who are at the cap to shed salary for a less than optimal return, particularly Anaheim and Chicago.
2) Depress the market for free agents – fewer teams will be able to play in that market, which could mean getting some value deals, instead of having to overpay.

Glass half full.

jtblack

jtblack,

I love Faulk. Age cap hit etc … Would be perfect fit for Cup contender but would most likely cost Nuge +

jtblack

LT: of all those RHD do options, who would you like to see. Are you hoping PC aims high or not?

jtblack

OriginalPouzar,

There are definitely some that want to see Ebs go, but I haven’t seen any ppl suggesting we should lose him for nothing?

Centre of attention

Ughhhhh if the cap is flat this summer is going to suck so bad.

OriginalPouzar

sumaclab:
Hanzal will cost. Bigtime. Term and money. A whole lotta nope.

Like the player, don’t like the (likely) cost.

I think Derek Ryan is more likely (at a quarter or a third of the cost).

OriginalPouzar

Lowetide: I don’t know many who want to leave Eberle off the protected list, and the reasons he may be dealt include cap hit. This isn’t a ‘we hate Eberle’ situation imo.

It is a “we hate Eberle” situation for many – not so much on this site but on many others.

“Addition by subtraction”, “negative value”, “loser that is scared on the ice”, etc.

Its somewhat funny.

He’s one of the highest scoring wingers in the league since he came in to the NHL.

Gret99zky

Does bringing back Hemsky and/or Gagner put them under unwanted/unfair pressure? Can the fans forget the reasons why they were dealt before?

Centre of attention

Lowetide,

By the way LT, did you hear Kyle Woodleif’s (red line report) hit on Edmonton radio on Friday? He said Kristian Vesalainen is #6 on his list and might be better than the top 2 kids.

I worry about his offense looking at the numbers but people talk about him like he’s some kind of dynamo.

What gives?

jtblack

Lowetide,

Teams will only lose 1 roster player. I think there may not be as much action as we suspect. If Minny loses Dumba, so be it … they would still be a good team with a similiar make up. I read that the Minny GM said he would rather just lose a player than lose a trade …

Hope some deals start happening …

jtblack

sumaclab,

May as well pull Smytty out of retirement!

Diablo

sumaclab:
Tomas Vanek.

Too lazy to look this up right now, but I think it was Willis who had a post on ON around the time of the trade deadline, where he demonstrated quite convincingly that Vanek was one of the most sheltered forwards in the entire NHL while playing for Detroit.

No passengers please. I want forwards that can be trusted in their own zone, especially since we have a coach who’s big on rolling 4 lines consistently – you can’t hide a player like Vanek given the system we employ.

Hemsky might be worth a look though – he was always a good 2-way player. You’d want to have your team doctors and also some of the orthopaedic surgeons from UofA have a good look at that hip on MRI before you signed him though.

Diablo

Greg:
Diablo,

You win eternal happiness! Congratulations! It should kick in any minute now if it hasn’t already.

I achieved eternal happiness the day Connor McDavid became an Oiler. Woot! Woot!

JD_Wry

But if you try sometime…

Centre of attention

stush18:
Also, the lack of verbal around nuge has me worried we’re shipping him out this summer.

Bingo.

Expect the unexpected, or so they say.

Centre of attention

Lowetide: Absolutely true. Bob mentioned him about two days before the trade and honestly it was the first I’d heard the name.

You have to think Peter was in deep on something else that fell apart, perhaps around the draft, and things came together fairly quickly with the Larsson deal afterwards as sort of a “plan B”.

IIRC a 3 way swap of picks was talked about by a few insiders around the time of the draft, and Edmonton would have picked up a top 4 d in that swap of picks plus moved down and grabbed Sergachev. Other moving parts were included obviously but those details get fuzzy.

Later, Peter also mentioned he had been talking to Shero since both of them took over their new teams, just kind of touching base here and there. Perhaps Larsson was discussed long before the actual deal but kind of left on the back burner while Subban or Shattenkirk etc were front and center.

On a separate note: I hope they do a “behind the scenes” kind of series like they did in Boston during the Seguin trade but from an Oilers perspective around the time of June 2016. I would love to see the discussions that took place around the time of the Hall trade. I hope they had cameras around inside the offices. Bob has mentioned that Cameras do follow the team previously and that some stuff will come out at a later date. Even if its just a 2015 to 2017 version of Oil change I would watch the hell out of it.

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Also, the lack of verbal around nuge has me worried we’re shipping him out this summer.

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sumaclab:
Tomas Vanek. If you get him at 3m for 1 season. Or less. Sign him. The man is finacially screwed. He has issues in that regard. If his head is on straight he could get 30 with LD.
Would Hemsky come back to Edmonton? I would sign him in a minute if his physical is clear. He goes to the paint. On the piwerplay he is creative.
More and more goals are scored on the powerplay rather than 5×5. If the Oilers look to be at the top of the league 3 things are needed. Size. Speed. And a lethal powerplay.

The issue though isn’t the oilers power play. It was good lol regular season.

The problem is they don’t generate enough calls in the playoffs. They need to be big to play through the bullshit. So 5v5 is the most important success factor in playoffs. PP success just gets you there

sumaclab

Tomas Vanek. If you get him at 3m for 1 season. Or less. Sign him. The man is finacially screwed. He has issues in that regard. If his head is on straight he could get 30 with LD.
Would Hemsky come back to Edmonton? I would sign him in a minute if his physical is clear. He goes to the paint. On the piwerplay he is creative.
More and more goals are scored on the powerplay rather than 5×5. If the Oilers look to be at the top of the league 3 things are needed. Size. Speed. And a lethal powerplay.