BOUND FOR MOVING ON

by Lowetide

Rumors are swirling and it’s trading season again this time tomorrow. Jordan Eberle is bound for moving on, with the good times apparently all gone. Rumor has it Ryan Strome is the return, or at least part of it.

RYAN STROME 2011 SCOUTING REPORT

  • Kirk Luedeke: Average size, but grew a bit since last year, which helped him in terms of where he’s regarded amongst scouts. Excellent skater who can beat defenders with his speed or elusiveness. Very soft hands and superb puckhandler who uses his feet and creativity to be a going concern offensively. Just a dynamic scorer who isn’t quite in RNH’s class, but isn’t too far off, either.

I always like to go back to the beginning to see what we were talking about on draft day. Strome had good offensive numbers (his NHLE was 41, Nuge’s 36) and he arrived in the NHL with a lot of promise. In year two NHL he posted 50 points and things were looking up, but the Islanders never seem able to develop players the whole way. In 2016-17, Strome had a poor season, here’s how he compared to Eberle last year.

The age difference is advantage Strome and the money favors him heavily. I keep thinking the Oilers will get a pick, but saving $3.5 million is a major benefit to the trade. Strome is shy on the 5×5, but if he had posted two more points his /60 would have been in the same range (1.73) as Eberle. Is this a trade you would make? This represents the third ‘loss in assets‘ deal in three summers (Reinhart, Larsson). I think you’d have to be fairly certain your veteran player wasn’t coming back under any circumstances and that you could use the $3.5 million on a difference maker at RHD.

The one lingering thought I have about this trade? Strome fills the mirror man need on my list, able to play whatever position Leon isn’t being deployed in at a given time. I get the idea, but it doesn’t make the team better. Strome is neither equal to Leon at center, nor to that of Eberle on RW. Peter Chiarelli must have a plan for that $3.5 million.

  • Elliotte Friedman: One thing about Eberle, he and incoming Islanders assistant Kelly Buchberger had their battles in Edmonton. Not sure if that matters, as the world would be a better place if we could all tell each other to “get lost” once in a while and then go for a beer, but it should be noted as a factor in any New York decision. Source

Interesting. A good thing because the Oilers need to be developing players and a Double-A club can be helpful. Brandon Davidson spent time in the ECHL, as did Devan Dubnyk. The goalie item is also a good one, Edmonton has the college men (Nick Ellis & Shane Starrett) so maybe we see an AHL signing who can offer competition to both men.

YOU’RE INVITED

Tyler Benson and Dylan Wells were invited to the World Junior Development Camp later this summer. It’s good news for the Oilers, and their 2016 draft. Especially pleasing to see Tyler Benson healthy enough to attend camp. The 2016 entry draft is quickly turning into five separate segments:

  • Jesse Puljujarvi, who should be an impact NHL player (we just aren’t certain what type)
  • Tyler Benson (a substantial prospect if healthy)
  • Three third-round defensemen of varying quality.
  • Dylan Wells, who has forced himself into the conversation as one of the Oilers 10 best prospects.
  • Three distant bells (Graham McPhee, Aapeli Rasanen, Vincent Deslauriers)

The biggest news since last June? Benson’s injury (and newfound health) and Wells. I’d love to tell you the most important thing is getting one of those three blue to turn into an NHL player, but it isn’t true. The Oilers badly need Puljujarvi and Benson to emerge as bona fide NHL players, that’s the priority. This invite is a damned good sign.

MARIAN HOSSA

Well that’s a damn shame. One of my all-time favorites. I am reading a lot of ‘pretty convenient’ posts and I get that, but if Hossa has what Tom Reid once referred to as “the Gunk” then that’s a bad turn. We wish him the best, and for those who don’t remember Reid (and I believe Guy Lapointe and Kevin Lowe may have had this but that’s from memory) rest assured it is real and a concern.

WILL THE OILERS MAKE A TRADE TODAY?

No. I don’t believe Edmonton has a deal with Vegas and the trade freeze doesn’t close until Thursday morning. By draft evening on Friday? A good chance Jordan Eberle is in Brooklyn based on me reading what Bob said (didn’t hear it but plenty of comments on the blog about it).

WILL THE EBERLE TRADE BE THE ONLY ONE?

Tyson Barrie from Colorado is interesting and I still think Peter Chiarelli may be looking to find a second-round pick. I’ll run all the lists tomorrow (needs, asset, target) because it could be go time. One thing to watch for tonight: RHD and RHC who are drafted by Vegas. These men could be targets for Edmonton, hell maybe they have the makings of a deal in place (although sounds quiet in regard to Golden Knights).

WHO DOES EDMONTON LOSE TONIGHT?

Griffin Reinhart is a George McPhee type, I would have protected Jujhar Khaira. If you’re asking me who I would take, the answer is Benoit Pouliot. If you ask me who I would bet on GMGM taking, the answer is Reinhart.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun morning with lots of Oilers talk, beginning at 10 on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. Making sense of this Eberle business.
  • Scott Mitchell, TSN. Jays lost last night but are staying with the pack.
  • Dave Dawson to talk Onside CFL Fantasy.
  • Kirk Luedeke, Red Line Report. A final look at Josh Norris, Ryan Poehling and some USA prospects who might be of interest to the Oilers.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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Johnny skid

godot10: The list of players who McLellan has pissed off is quite long.

Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, Pouliot, Lander, Reinhart, Fayne, Justin Schultz, Yakupov

taylor hall

godot10

vangolf: Again, I have it from Reinhardt family that he is the player that LVK chose from EDM. He was informed late last night and is encouraged by this development.

The list of players who McLellan has pissed off is quite long.

Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, Pouliot, Lander, Reinhart, Fayne, Justin Schultz, Yakupov

BONVIE

misfit: If the Islanders were willing to give up Hampnic in order to get Eberle, why wouldn’t we just trade them Eberle for Hamonic?

No kidding Hamonic is pretty good Defenseman where is Barrie is not a real Defenseman because by definition a defenseman defends against the other team scoring goals on your goalie. Grossly overpaying Barrie on an ugly contract is the reason why the Avalanche lost a good coach. Patrick Roy knows the importance of a defence that eliminates high percentage scoring chances by boxing out. The Oilers had one of the better offensive defenseman in the league and traded him to Pittsburg for almost nothing, simply because we did not have the defensive Dmen to insulate him. How do you propose they would be able to insulate a Barrie type with that big contract.

digger50

Silver Streak:
blainer,
its just the reverse….Foo is waiting for the Eberle deal, then he signs here.

I doubt Foo would make the team this year.

Pechetr

leadfarmer,

If you have to ask the question, you already know the answer. – Mac T

N64

14:47 by Ken – SinBinVegas
Foley just said they signed two RFAs (Haula and Lindberg?) and [picked] multiple UFAs, but that they haven’t signed the UFAs yet. Possibly “throw aways.”

How many unsigned RFAs?
GR is RFA. If he was picked he could be signed already.

Pechetr

misfit,

Does looking at it from 6 million x 2 to 2.5 million x 1 help? The names aren’t as important as the numbers here.

Ducey

Thinker:
Of the honest believe that Lander is BPA for LV & GMGM.

Keep thinking.

He is signed to play in the KHL.

maudite

30 players chosen….23 man roster. Very few things of quality sitting out there that are waiver exempt. Mcphee has his work cut out for him. Part of that is going to involve finding probably at least 5 side deals to punt as much value down the field as he can manage.

TO10801

Well Reinhart is gone. That’s fine, but I don’t think we are solving our D problems via Vegas, not that many intriguing options.

Gayfish

Of the honest believe that Lander is BPA for LV & GMGM.

Pouzar

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33 mins ago · Twitter

Tyler Benson says he’s healthy and feels good after sports hernia surgery last season & that he’s been skating in town w/ David Pelletier.

Primetime

N64: by Ken – SinBinVegas
He also mentioned “throw away picks.” He kind of said that term isn’t something he really like, but whether he likes it or not, it’s accurate.

Would not be surprised if they picked UFA where they don’t like the other choices remaining.

As per John Shannon:

Sounds like Deryk Engelland is the Calgary Flames player going to Vegas. He’s a UFA ON July 1.

#ExpansionDraft

Diablo

TO10801:
Chris Johnston‏Verified account @reporterchris3m3 minutes ago
MoreVegas picked a couple UFA’s, per Bill Foley, but haven’t signed them. Still negotiating.

How spectacular would it be if one was Russell? Maybe didn’t like what they saw from the oil and took him?

In one sense that would be great, but on the other hand it will force Chia’s hand to deal another Austin again from a position of weakness.

N64

TO10801:
Chris Johnston‏Verified account @reporterchris3m3 minutes ago
MoreVegas picked a couple UFA’s, per Bill Foley, but haven’t signed them. Still negotiating.

How spectacular would it be if one was Russell? Maybe didn’t like what they saw from the oil and took him?

by Ken – SinBinVegas
He also mentioned “throw away picks.” He kind of said that term isn’t something he really like, but whether he likes it or not, it’s accurate.

Would not be surprised if they picked UFA where they don’t like the other choices remaining.

TO10801

Chris Johnston‏Verified account @reporterchris 3m3 minutes ago
More
Vegas picked a couple UFA’s, per Bill Foley, but haven’t signed them. Still negotiating.

How spectacular would it be if one was Russell? Maybe didn’t like what they saw from the oil and took him?

jtblack

–hudson–,

“Dowd: 5×5 points per 60: 0.97
” That is below replacement level … He averaged 2 points per month after a “Hot” start in November. The fact he didn’t score for 3 months is tough to overlook, no matter how good a checker he might be. Seems much more 4C than 3C. No thanks!

N64

vangolf: Again, I have it from Reinhardt family that he is the player that LVK chose from EDM. He was informed late last night and is encouraged by this development.

Any news from the Reinhart family 😉

vangolf

TO10801:
Not sure Vegas selects Reinhart considering all the LD they are rumoured to already have. It has been rumoured that they have:
Garrison
Methot
Emelin
McNabb
Murray
Stoner
Theodore

That’s a lot of LDH, not sure they will select many more than that.

Again, I have it from Reinhardt family that he is the player that LVK chose from EDM. He was informed late last night and is encouraged by this development.

jtblack

–hudson–,

A good look back at history …

“Between Loui Eriksson, Reilly Smith, Joe Morrow and Matt Fraser, the Bruins accumulated 490 games, 102 goals, 150 assists and 252 points. The Stars, on the other hand, accumulated 346 games, 135 goals, 188 assists and 323 points between Seguin, Peverley and Button.”

And now that Smith and Eriksson are gone from BOS, the deal will just continue to get more lopsided in Dallas’ favour.

--hudson--

Here’s a UFA player, I would much prefer for 3C than Ryan Strome.

Nic Dowd (LA Kings)
5×5 points per 60: 0.97

5×4 points per 60: 4.94

Corsi for 5×5 %: 57.6

Corsi Rel 5×5 %: 3.6

Shots on goal/percentage: 58 shots/6.90%

Boxcars: 70gp, 6-16-22

27 years old, 6’2”, 196 lbs

He’s not a guy you would play with McDavid, but he’s fairly young and he’s free unless LA resigns him first.

TO10801

Ducey: Fleury has a limited NTC. Apparently he would not waive to go to CGY. I would not think he would be keen to go to the other places you mention either, or maybe they were not interested.

If you are PIT you can risk LV not taking Fleury, or just give them a pick and be sure.

Yeah I agree with you it does make sense to offer up the pick, and obviously some credit must go to McPhee for getting the pick. I just think Fleury was probably their pick anyways based on the fact he was the only good veteran goalie unprotected.

Material Elvis

misfit:
Robert Nilsson
Ryan OMara
Griffin Reinhart
Ryan Strome

I wish we had a team that we could dump all of our failed first round picks on for real value.The Islanders have one.

I thought we had St.Louis?

Ducey

TO10801: Calgary, Philly, Arizona, Islanders, Vancouver, Winnipeg. I think some of those teams would have offered a decent amount for Fleury. Calgary gave up a 2nd for Smith. Instead, Pit is losing fluery + a pick for nothing.

Fleury has a limited NTC. Apparently he would not waive to go to CGY. I would not think he would be keen to go to the other places you mention either, or maybe they were not interested.

If you are PIT you can risk LV not taking Fleury, or just give them a pick and be sure.

--hudson--

TO10801: Calgary, Philly, Arizona, Islanders, Vancouver, Winnipeg. I think some of those teams would have offered a decent amount for Fleury. Calgary gave up a 2nd for Smith. Instead, Pit is losing fluery + a pick for nothing.

I believe the Pens really need the cap space to resign their free agents and they really didn’t want Vegas to take Ian Cole who’s turned into a good player for them.

misfit

grim.oil:
Islanders get -> Eberle
Avalanche get -> Hamonic
Oilers get -> Barrie

Everyone wins!

If the Islanders were willing to give up Hampnic in order to get Eberle, why wouldn’t we just trade them Eberle for Hamonic?

--hudson--

I came across this short article from 4 years ago, just about a week before Chiarelli traded Seguin.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/06/30/bruins-peter-chiarelli-delivers-stern-message-tyler-seguin/27n2W1ueJ9EjJiTEUK29cI/story.html

Interesting to read Chia being quite critical of Seguin. Haven’t heard him talk this way about any Oiler, not to my recollection anyway. Certainly not Eberle or Hall. This is good, talking poorly about a player can’t be good for the relationship with the player or the trade value.

“If I were to trade Tyler, it would be for an elite young prospect or player,” Chiarelli said.
This didn’t exactly pan out the way he wanted. I don’t think Eriksson was ever regarded as an elite player, a very good player, but not elite. So even if Chia admits the possibility of trading a player we’ll have no idea what he’s able to get in return.

For some reason he didn’t seem to hold the hammer in a Seguin trade (maybe he didn’t have cap room) and he was desperate again with the Hall trade (Oilers badly needed defence).

However he definitely holds the hammer with an Eberle trade (we have the cap room and we need offence on RW). If he does lose an Eberle trade for capspace, I really hope he’s got a bead on one of the free agent RW’s.

Chachi

Scungilli Slushy: Maybe but Sergachev isn’t in the NHL. I think it would be different had been able to make it already,

Agreed, hence the “probably” overpaid.

TO10801

Not sure Vegas selects Reinhart considering all the LD they are rumoured to already have. It has been rumoured that they have:
Garrison
Methot
Emelin
McNabb
Murray
Stoner
Theodore

That’s a lot of LDH, not sure they will select many more than that.

N64

Diablo: Yes – I assume you’re talking about Benoit not Derrick? But what does that have to do with Fleury? By all accounts LV was going to select him anyways. Why is Pittsburg throwing in a extra pick?

Accounts were mixed between taking for free or taking for pay. When Fleury waived his NMC I don’t know what destinations he allowed. Could Pens move him for no cost? I don’t know what round the pick would be vs. what else they’d have lost.

OilSafety

N64:
Quickee Poll should close 6 pm MDT tonight

Who employs Eberle by the end of Friday? (pick one)

A) NYI
B) Vegas
C) Edmonton
D) Elsewhere

Who does Edmonton employ by the end of Friday? (pick one or more)

0) Hamonic (added to poll)
1) Strome
2) Nelson
3) Other D flipped from Vegas
4) Other F flipped from Vegas
5) none of the above.

My example:

B3

A01

dustrock

Diablo:
I really can’t make sense of why Pittsburg is sending LV a draft pick to select MA Fleury.

2 more years. They will have plenty of reasonable goaltending options. Very possible they might have selected Fleury anyway, but clever of McPhee to get a draft pick to guarantee it.

Pens likely want to know for sure Fleury’s salary won’t be their problem as early as possible.

TO10801

leadfarmer: From whom?Ageing declining goalies with limited no movement clause paid almost 6 mil per year are not exactly in high demand especially that there is only a small handful of teams that need a goalie in the first place.Them taking Fleury’s cap hit off Pittsburghs hands is huge for them.

Calgary, Philly, Arizona, Islanders, Vancouver, Winnipeg. I think some of those teams would have offered a decent amount for Fleury. Calgary gave up a 2nd for Smith. Instead, Pit is losing fluery + a pick for nothing.

rickithebear

When Discussing all these Players and Trades.

You want the Belichek Measure.

What can the player provide consistently.
Not what there ceiling is or might be.

Eberle:
look at the coaches he had 2 seasons under.
look at the Gola diF 1st to 2nd year.

Renney: -12 to +4 = +16
Eakins: -11 to -16 = -5
Tmac -12(-1 healthy) to +3; +15 or +4 healthy

Bruce McCurdy

McNuge93: Yes, I was thinking that. Makes our interdivision schedule a little easier.

In time the 8th divisional team — not to mention the 31st NHL team — will reduce everybody’s odds a little bit, but in the short term the 8-team division is fine. More symmetrical with 4 teams in the Mountain time zone to match the 4 in the Pacific. I expect to see more frequent “vertical” road trips with any 2 or even all 3 of Calgary, Vegas & Arizona. If it reduces Oilers’ schedule by even one trip to California, it’s a win AFAIC. Also balances the division in terms of altitude vs. sea level, a small item than can take a toll at times over the course of a long season. (Vegas for the record is just over 600 metres, about 90% of Edmonton’s 670-ish.)

leadfarmer

TO10801: I think I would have called his bluff too, especially considering there is a market for Fleury. You would think they could have gotten a substantial return for him had he not been taken.

From whom? Ageing declining goalies with limited no movement clause paid almost 6 mil per year are not exactly in high demand especially that there is only a small handful of teams that need a goalie in the first place. Them taking Fleury’s cap hit off Pittsburghs hands is huge for them.

TO10801

Diablo: Davidson is a nice story, but only Oilers fans think he’s anything more than a fringe 3rd pairing D-man.

I would say he’s an established himself as being competent on the 3rd pair. My point is that I don’t think you can say the same about Emelin. Many MTL people did not like that Davidson was sitting while Emelin was playing in the playoffs.

frjohnk

Diablo: Davidson is a nice story, but only Oilers fans think he’s anything more than a fringe 3rd pairing D-man.

At the trade deadline we had these left shooting Dmen who were NHL quality or close to
Klefbom
Sekera
Davidson
Nurse
Russell
Reinhart

Only a few months later and its a good chance only Nurse and Klefbom start the season with the Oilers.

Trade, injury, expansion draft and player possibly signing elsewhere sure will have cleared out the leftorium.

At least the best one who will be off the starting roster will come back

Kinger_Oil.redux

N64,

C5

Diablo

TO10801: Agreed, if there is a side deal than it is a different scenario. But wouldn’t Davidson be fine to shelter some of the young D considering he is already a better Dman than Emelin?

Davidson is a nice story, but only Oilers fans think he’s anything more than a fringe 3rd pairing D-man.

Don’t mind me

N64,

A1

Bob Stauffer has been hinting, same as Hall for Larsson last year.

TO10801

Diablo: Yes – I assume you’re talking about Benoit not Derrick? But what does that have to do with Fleury? By all accounts LV was going to select him anyways. Why is Pittsburg throwing in a extra pick? To stay away from Rust and Hagelin is my guess… though if I was Pittsburg’s GM I would have called GMGM’s bluff – he almost certainly was going to take Fleury.

I think I would have called his bluff too, especially considering there is a market for Fleury. You would think they could have gotten a substantial return for him had he not been taken.

Diablo

N64: Would you send a 3rd to have LV pick Pouliot?

Yes – I assume you’re talking about Benoit not Derrick? But what does that have to do with Fleury? By all accounts LV was going to select him anyways. Why is Pittsburg throwing in a extra pick? To stay away from Rust and Hagelin is my guess … though if I was Pittsburg’s GM I would have called GMGM’s bluff – he almost certainly was going to take Fleury.

frjohnk

Bruce McCurdy:
I personally believe exactly 0.75000 of it.

Thats per 60 right?

TO10801

Diablo: Given that they’ve passed up on a lot of vet D, they probably want a vet to come in for 3/4 of a season to shelter their young D. If they eat some of his salary, they can get a 2nd at the trade deadline. Plus they may have a side deal with Montreal to take Emelin instead and get a pick or prospect – so they get something now and later.

Don’t be in a rush to pass judgement until you know all the details.

McKenzie seems to think that GMGM is doing a pretty fine job.

Agreed, if there is a side deal than it is a different scenario. But wouldn’t Davidson be fine to shelter some of the young D considering he is already a better Dman than Emelin?

Doug McLachlan

So Emelin as a one year injury replacement until Sekera gets back up to speed?

If it means we don’t do Russell for 4x$4M?

What if the deal is Pouliot (2x$4) for Emelin (1x$4.1M)?

Lots of moving parts here.

McPhee has, from what I can see, done a good job of getting value in both players, prospects and picks from almost everyone. Very impressive.

As for Chia, would be disappointed in an Eberle for Strome deal but suspect that there are a few elements in play. As I’ve said before, Chia’s trades are almost always trading to GET something not to GET RID of something (Seguin being the one exception).

Hall and Reinhart were both overpays but the overpay was to get defense – a clear and acknowledged need.

Trading Eberle may be a deal for cap space but the cap crunch isn’t until next year and, as an expiring RFA contract, it isn’t clear what cap “win” is there in swapping him from Strome after this season.

Lots of moving parts. We wait.

Bruce McCurdy

misfit:
Robert Nilsson
Ryan OMara
Griffin Reinhart
Ryan Strome

I wish we had a team that we could dump all of our failed first round picks on for real value.The Islanders have one.

JJS: That is fairly astounding when you put it in writing.Unbelievable really.

I personally believe exactly 0.75000 of it.

N64

Diablo:
I really can’t make sense of why Pittsburg is sending LV a draft pick to select MA Fleury.

Would you send a 3rd to have LV pick Pouliot?

Diablo

I really can’t make sense of why Pittsburg is sending LV a draft pick to select MA Fleury.

N64

Quickee Poll should close 6 pm MDT tonight

Who employs Eberle by the end of Friday? (pick one)

A) NYI
B) Vegas
C) Edmonton
D) Elsewhere

Who does Edmonton employ by the end of Friday? (pick one or more)

0) Hamonic (added to poll)
1) Strome
2) Nelson
3) Other D flipped from Vegas
4) Other F flipped from Vegas
5) none of the above.

My example:

B3