SAIL ON, EDMONTON OIL KING

by Lowetide

It is being reported that the Vegas Golden Knights have chosen Griffin Reinhart as its expansion choice from the Edmonton Oilers. He played in one NHL game (playoffs) this season and performed well. Reinhart had a difficult year, starting with a poor training camp that led to his demotion and the signing of Kris Russell. He went 54gp, 7-14-21 in the AHL and from reports flourished in an increased role. He was the obvious choice for selection.

  • Corey Pronman, Hockey Prospectus: What separates him from other big defensemen is that he has the puck skills to make people miss, execute all the little plays in tight quarters, and to deliver crisp, accurate passes consistently. Reinhart also has a more aggressive offensive element to his game as he will join the rush and doesn’t shy from being creative in the offensive end of the rink. He also has a pretty big shot from the point that he can put a lot of his big frame into. The thing that has seen Reinhart establish himself so well in the industry has been his improvements.

That’s a good player, if he can skate with NHL forwards, play a more aggressive style and arrive at training camp in mid-season form. Sail on, Oil King. I’ll have the new 50-man list up as part of tomorrow morning’s post and we can discuss trade options (window opens at 6am our time tomorrow morning) at that time. 5PM post is about McDavid unless something else breaks.

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Lewis Grant:
The Davidson trade looks poor – I would say ‘in retrospect’ but that’s not true – lots of posters here predicted this as the end result.

Yup, sure did.

The whole point of trading Davidson (or anyone) because he was going to be selected by LV was totally misunderstood.It only made sense to do so if 1) there is a large drop-off in quality between the player you traded and the next-best player (who will now be selected by LV), and 2) the player you receive back will not be selected and is better than the player who will now be selected.Desharnais did NOT meet the second criterion.

More simply, we were going to lose Davidson anyways.Now we traded Reinhart for Desharnais.Who here thinks that was a good trade?Not me, that’s for damn sure.

Remember, Davidson last year was Benning this year – and Davidson was OK playing the right side too.The Davidson trade was almost as stupid as the Petry trade.I hope we can get him back before MTL realizes what they have.

Yep. Not saying that Davidson is Petry but that was a bad trade. And a totally unnecessary one, which makes it worse. Chia had no way of knowing that Sekera would suffer a long term injury but defensive depth is never a bad thing.
Overall the Oilers didn’t have as much to lose in expansion as a lot of other teams but Chia didn’t handle it very well. Unless he’s got some deal cooking with Vegas that we don’t know about.

Lewis Grant

The Davidson trade looks poor – I would say ‘in retrospect’ but that’s not true – lots of posters here predicted this as the end result.

Yup, sure did.

The whole point of trading Davidson (or anyone) because he was going to be selected by LV was totally misunderstood. It only made sense to do so if 1) there is a large drop-off in quality between the player you traded and the next-best player (who will now be selected by LV), and 2) the player you receive back will not be selected and is better than the player who will now be selected. Desharnais did NOT meet the second criterion.

More simply, we were going to lose Davidson anyways. Now we traded Reinhart for Desharnais. Who here thinks that was a good trade? Not me, that’s for damn sure.

Remember, Davidson last year was Benning this year – and Davidson was OK playing the right side too. The Davidson trade was almost as stupid as the Petry trade. I hope we can get him back before MTL realizes what they have.

Chachi

Cassandra: I guess I am wrong.When I did their expansion draft tool a few weeks ago he was waiver eligible.They must have been using the past season.

This is my all time favourite comment post by anyone ever.

NomoreLoweMcT

I hope Reinhart blossoms into the player many fans thought he would be when he was first drafted. Maybe being in Vegas will mean less pressure on him. Good luck Griiffin

JD_Wry

Wait – the Garys loose Engelland, and then Vegas picks Rhieno?

Confirmed – McPhee is a close friend of Sweeney.

N64

Truth:
Good news they’re taking Reinhart!They can sign Gryba for less cap hit and he’s a righty.If they’re looking for a similar player (with more physicality), that is.

Now just stay clear of Russell’s ridiculous demands.

Davidson and Reinhart both gone. I’d say the good ship is pointed straight at Russel.

N64

–hudson–: What will go down worse in history – Barzal for nothing or Zach Parise for Marc Pouliot?

You’re are a bit early to the morgue. Reinhart could have a better career than Barzal.

Truth

Good news they’re taking Reinhart! They can sign Gryba for less cap hit and he’s a righty. If they’re looking for a similar player (with more physicality), that is.

Now just stay clear of Russell’s ridiculous demands.

MacT's Neglected Helmet

Best of luck, Griffin Reinhart!

If you forget how much it costs us to acquire him – and you should because it’s a sunk cost – then losing him now for nothing doesn’t hurt much. Still unfortunate that we lost Brandon Davidson, but that David Desharnais OT goal was a real thing that happened.

godot10

Chiarelli had to lose all the left D to justify 4 x $4 million for Russell.

leadfarmer

Cassandra,

He played more than 2 pro seasons so he’s eligible. This was his and Reinharts 3rd pro season so both were eligible. This was Nurses 2nd pro season so he was safe

Kinger_Oil.redux

Diablo,

– part of it too could be Chia imposing more of his authoriti “you guys your best choice for D for me was Griff.l Let me show you how to finish the D corps I inherited ”

– again it’s not official and it could be part of a trade with LV

Cassandra

Lowetide:
Cassandra: He is eligible

https://www.capfriendly.com/waivers_calculator/jujhar-khaira

I guess I am wrong. When I did their expansion draft tool a few weeks ago he was waiver eligible. They must have been using the past season.

Diablo

Sucks to lose Reinhart, though he was at best a 3rd pairing D-man heading into the season.

The Davidson trade looks poor – I would say ‘in retrospect’ but that’s not true – lots of posters here predicted this as the end result.

Chia is going to have his work cut out for him.

rickithebear

Russ:

PC when asked about the trade, stated “being in the east he was well aware of Reinhart.”

Richard S.S.

Any Jordan Eberle trade is a Salary Dump first and foremost. Peter Chiarelli has more to do than we think. We don’t know what he and Connor McDavid have talked about, but if a shooter wasn’t mentioned I’d be shocked. The fact that Peter Chiarelli gets a useful acquisition with his Cap Space is a bonus.

Diablo

N64: completed 4 seasons.

Don’t bother – once Bruce Wayne thinks he right, nothing will convince him otherwise.

frjohnk

Cassandra: That just means he is on a one-way deal.Waivers is determined by years service since signing the ELC, 4 years for players who sign when they are 19, or games played, whichever is reached first.

I could be wrong but Khaira was 20 when he played his first pro season. He has played 3 pro seasons and is now eligible to be picked up if placed on waivers.

N64

frjohnk: Pretty sure Vegas will have a D core that has 7 D better than Griff.Griff is worth whatever waiver fodder is worth

The year everyone seemed to know that Davidson would sneak through waivers Chia kept him on as the 8th D and he bloomed. Reinhart’s first waiver eligible year is next year. Let’s revisit that next Christmas.

Last I check the post was Sail on. We’ll see who benefits from this move soon enough.

N64

Cassandra: Did they change the rules for the expansion draft?Because he isn’t 23nor has he played 160 NHL games.

completed 4 seasons.

frjohnk

digger50: Peter could have and still can simply trade to get Griffin back. What would his present worth even during this auction?

Pretty sure Vegas will have a D core that has 7 D better than Griff.Griff is worth whatever waiver fodder is worth

Cassandra

Doug McLachlan,

That is where I am getting my information. Nothing there on the expansion draft, nor on second contracts.

Cassandra

frjohnk: He is not on his entry level contract anymore.He just signed a 2 year deal

That just means he is on a one-way deal. Waivers is determined by years service since signing the ELC, 4 years for players who sign when they are 19, or games played, whichever is reached first.

Doug McLachlan

Cassandra,

Here is the FAQ from Capfriendly.

https://www.capfriendly.com/waivers-faq

gogliano

Ryan:
So if we take a look a the ledger.

Davidson, a 16th, and a 23rd for 30 games of Reinhart and 31 games of Desharnais.

Ouch.

This really isn’t fair to management. If you’re counting that way (you shouldn’t), the ledger is this:

Davidson, a 16th, and a 23rd for 30 games of Reinhart, 31 games of Desharnais AND the nullification of LV’s lottery choice. The last item has to be counted and is the most valuable piece in Edmonton’s “return”.

frjohnk

Cassandra: Did they change the rules for the expansion draft?Because he isn’t 23nor has he played 160 NHL games.

He is not on his entry level contract anymore. He just signed a 2 year deal

digger50

Peter could have and still can simply trade to get Griffin back. What would his present worth even during this auction? I’m thinking Peter sees this as a blessing in disguise.

If we were trading to get someone back, get Davidson.

Where did that Desharnais fellow go now anyway? On trade deadline it was known by Montreal fans and a few here that DD was on his way to Europe with just a pit stop in Edmonton. Give him credit for one timely goal, but otherwise a very poor trade.

Cassandra

Lowetide:
No one made available to LV was waiver eligible as far as I know. That’s kind of the reason he is making all of these trades.

Did they change the rules for the expansion draft? Because he isn’t 23 nor has he played 160 NHL games.

OriginalPouzar

If Eberle does go for the “lesser forward” Strome, DeHaan is a must in the deal – that should be a deal-breaker if Snow won’t budge.

Doug McLachlan

Very interested in what Collin Miller would cost. He came over in one of the Boston trades during the 2015 draft so Chia doesn’t have any inside knowledge on him but could be a very nice pick up.

If Russell is prepared to take a shorter term contract, two years, then shifted to his left-hand side could work.

Wonder if Eric Gryba’s phone goes off tomorrow?

Weird by now we are looking at a relative wealth of RHD.

Doug McLachlan

Cassandra,

Khaira is NOT waiver exempt anymore.

Cassandra

–hudson–: Also they seemed to be playing him on his wrong side.This shift from the preseason really stands out, getting walked twice in a minute.
https://youtu.be/a7tgRMJuPuA?t=4m45s

In retrospect I guess they were looking to fill the hole on right side and didn’t have Russell signed as yet.Not exactly a good position to try Reinhart at though.

NHL D don’t ever look like that, wrong side or no. Actual players who can play, guys like Oesterle, never look like that no matter what position you put them in.

This is McPhee’s first mistake. They should have taken Khaira on the basis that he is waivers exempt alone.

Wasting a D spot on Reinhart when there are much better D available is big miss.

Another tell will be if he takes Methot as reported. He should have taken the pick from the Senators to not take Methot and then take Claussen, who is young, decent to good already, and cheap.

The Theodore move, on the other hand, was good work by him.

Doug McLachlan
LMHF#1

Excellent. They get to keep Khaira and hopefully Pitlick stays as well.

So long as they don’t pick Cal Foote in response.

russ99

Just had a happy thought of Reinhart trying to defend McDavid in a game next year.

Tortoise and the hare indeed.

--hudson--

TO10801:
LT and others,

Of the reported D vegas has taken who would you target?

Colin Miller (Boston) could be a good target. Not sure what level of opponents he faces though. He’s certainly got a very promising rel corsi. Was part of the return Boston got for Lucic from the Kings.

Coliin Miller
5×5 points per 60: 0.74

5×4 points per 60: 1.24

Corsi for 5×5 %: 60.0

Corsi Rel 5×5 %: 7.5

Shots on goal/percentage: 71 shots/7.04%

Boxcars: 61gp, 6-7-13

24 years old, 6’1”, 196 lbs

russ99

So now that we didn’t entice Vegas to take Pouliot, what’s next?

Kinda glad we didn’t, we need the picks.

Does the extra room in the cap make a buyout more enticing or should we consider that rumor floating about an old coach may want him if we eat salary?

Ben

If it’s Eberle for Strome, Russell back in and Sekera out for a couple of months, hard to argue that this team hasn’t gotten worse, year-over-year.

That said, I do hope they make the 1st round pick. The thinking has to be about a steady flow of value/ELCs to surround your $20M in centremen moving forward.

Snowman

jtblack,

I’m just saying the story he came into camp out of shape came from team sources if I recall. He may or may not have been out of shape, its just sometimes an easy way to avoid a difficult “that was a crap trade” story.

I agree players (all of them) should come into camp in shape without question. I just remember thinking when the stories about Griffin came out it seemed a little convenient to blame the player given the circumstances.

--hudson--

N64: Agreed. We know he had back issues that were dealt with early this season. It’s not smart to blame back problems on lack of training when they may have actually interfered with training.

Also they seemed to be playing him on his wrong side. This shift from the preseason really stands out, getting walked twice in a minute.
https://youtu.be/a7tgRMJuPuA?t=4m45s

In retrospect I guess they were looking to fill the hole on right side and didn’t have Russell signed as yet. Not exactly a good position to try Reinhart at though.

Ryan

So if we take a look a the ledger.

Davidson, a 16th, and a 23rd for 30 games of Reinhart and 31 games of Desharnais.

Ouch.

N64

Snowman: I’d be careful with the came into camp out of shape stories… It’s an easy way for the organization to pin the “blame” for a bad trade not working out on the player and not on their evaluation.

Agreed. We know he had back issues that were dealt with early this season. It’s not smart to blame back problems on lack of training when they may have actually interfered with training.

blainer

jtblack:
No matter what we want to say about Rinehart the one item that disappoints me with him is that he came into Camp two years in a row out of shape. This is inexcusable for Prospect trying to make the NHL

Agreed. I think that was his biggest problem.

Conditioning.. I also think it was one of the many issues with Yak as well.

I can see griff figuring this out though.. and if he does I think he has potential.

Gotta give Chia credit in cutting his losses. Takes balls to walk away empty handed from the trade of two high draft pics.

Kinger_Oil.redux

– If Griff is the guys chosen: maybe there is a D package trade as part of it…? Just a thought

--hudson--

I was a bit nervous VGK were going to sign Pitlick. This worked out well for Oilers – a good, if painful lesson for the GM.

What will go down worse in history – Barzal for nothing or Zach Parise for Marc Pouliot?

Durag

I’ll never forget his assist

vinotintazo

Lowetide: Nylander, Heatley

No Sekera for 9 months and now No Reinhart. Means Russell is coming back for sure. Unless he wants crazy money that EDM cannot match in Free Angency.

I’m happy if he signs @ 4 x 3.75M

jtblack

Snowman,

I am not blaming rhinehart’s failure to crack the lineup just on him it was a bad trade the day it was made and will go down as a bad trade.

But let’s be honest any Prospect should show up in top condition. If he was in great shape then I take back my comments