INTRODUCING RYAN STROME

by Lowetide

Jordan Eberle had the puck on his stick, and he had time, Corey Perry bearing down with ill will on his mind. The play did not work out well for Eberle, nor the aftermath. Sometimes in life you pay in full for a mistake or lapse in judgement, and that play (or an accumulation of many such plays) probably sent Peter Chiarelli to the trade market. If you’re looking for a reason beyond cap, that’s my answer to you.

Lots of people online going crazy about this deal, but we have discussed it going back some time. We also discussed the Kris Russell signing, which appears to be on the horizon. We also talked about the club signing Spencer Foo as an option on RW (to compete with Jesse Puljujarvi and Anton Slepyshev). If you don’t like these moves, we can chat. If you’re shocked by them? Where you been?

QUESTION

The question you have to ask yourself is this: Can Ryan Strome find success on a soft minutes scoring line (at center) or as RW alongside Connor McDavid? That’s the challenge here in my opinion. Strome is likely to be Leon Draisaitl’s mirror man (although both will probably be on the 1PP) and spend time where the big German center isn’t at any given time.

THE BEGINNING

  • Kirk Luedeke: Average size, but grew a bit since last year, which helped him in terms of where he’s regarded amongst scouts. Excellent skater who can beat defenders with his speed or elusiveness. Very soft hands and superb puckhandler who uses his feet and creativity to be a going concern offensively. Just a dynamic scorer who isn’t quite in RNH’s class, but isn’t too far off, either.

I had Ryan Strome at No. 5 in the 2011 draft and he was a highly touted player entering the draft. Since he arrived in the NHL, Strome has posted one quality season (2014-15) and two that have been disappointing (the two seasons since). One of the things I like to look at with skill players is 5×5 scoring per 60.

RYAN STROME BOXCARS AND 5X5/60

Seems to me the first thing Todd McLellan is going to need to do is tell young Strome to shoot the puck like he did early in his career. He has a good one, heavy shot that can make goalies miss. Other than that, we’re dealing with a 2016-17 season that represents a recovery from his nadir and perhaps suggests he is heading in a better direction.

Peter Chiarelli spoke at his avail today about Strome as a center and also about having two centers on the same line. Strome’s strong side for faceoffs is weak side for Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, meaning Strome should be busy and that his career FO percentage (44.2) may improve with the strong side business (I don’t know he he was utilized in NYC).

STROME VERSUS EBERLE, LAST SEASON

You’ve seen this before, we are talking two 5×5 points added to Strome in order to make this level. Don’t be fooled, Eberle is the superior player, but this isn’t a terrible bet by Peter Chiarelli today. If he had cap room, would he have made this deal? My bet is no, he would not have made the deal. The money and cap saved is part of the deal, and ignoring it, or not valuing it, means missing important elements. Kris Russell and Spencer Foo await us! It’s already been a fun summer.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

If you’ve waded this far into the post you deserve my opinion. This was a net loss and the trade could have waited until next summer. It continues a trend of getting less than 100 cents on the dollar in feature trades that may eventually cost Peter Chiarelli his job as general manager of this organization.

I don’t see it happening any time soon. If both Jesse Puljujarvi and Tyler Benson turn out, and the club can grab one of Eeli Tolvanen, Kailer Yamamoto, Robert Thomas or Josh Norris, things should start coming together in terms of forward depth. Todd McLellan may unlock Strome and that’s the bet the club made. We Wait.

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matt

Ahem. LT, I think you meant “It continues a trend of getting less than 100 cents on the dollar in feature trades that may eventually cost Peter Chiarelli his job as general manager of *another* organization.”

GCW_69

Johnny:
LT, the talk of “trades like this costing Chia his job” is asinine.

This is a GM (just nominated for GM of the year) doing his job in a cap world. These are the trades Stan Bowman has been making for the last 5 years.

These are the deals that will allow us to win a cup.

Stan Bowman would not sign Kris Russell to a four year deal, or give him trade restrictions. That’s for core players only (even of you disagree on their evaluation of core). The only non core player he has with a trade restriction is Kruger and Bowman is regretting it, I’ll bet.

His number four defenders get turned over pretty regularly.

Chachi

Cassandra: Evaluating general manager moves based on how the team does is going to lead you to mistaken conclusions. “Just win Baby” is a formula for not understanding what leads to winning.

I prefer to evaluate GMs based on what they wear to press conferences after a trade and whether they understand that Griffin Reinhart is eligible to be taken in the Expansion Draft.

russ99

krakman:
russ99,

This is true but its Chia’s own doing, trading picks for Reinhart and not getting any picks in return when trading Hall and Eberle

Yeah. The Reinhart deal looks pretty awful now, in retrospect. I still think Chia got bamboozled by Lowe, MacTavish and Green on that one, but he’s the President and GM during that trade so he has to take the hit.

I think Chia had somewhat of a choice between cap savings and picks when shopping those players and chose cap savings.

krakman

russ99,

This is true but its Chia’s own doing, trading picks for Reinhart and not getting any picks in return when trading Hall and Eberle

russ99

I think we have to consider that Chia is in a bit of a corner as to assets he can move due to the threadbare pipeline we have when it comes to forwards.

We really can’t grease the trade wheels with a pick or two until this is resolved.

godot10

For the record.

I can tolerate the Eberle for Strome trade. Eberle was gone sooner or later because of the cap.

I am opposed to signing Russell for anything longer than one season, just like last September. One season at a time is fine.

Belichek got a tight end for cheap in Martellus Bennett with one year left on his contract. Helped the Patriots win a Super Bowl (even after Gronk got a season ending injury). He let Green Bay offer him a big money long term contract. Belichek when out and got another tight end for cheap with one year left on his contract in Damon Allen from the Colts.

A coach has to be able to coach up short term stop gap solutions for holes in the roster, rather than signing stop gaps for the long term.

FUHR31

Picks for Methot, Trade Nuge for Barrie or Faulk, sign Hanzal. oh and sign Jagr just cause lol

FUHR31

Centre of attention,

This would be a decent play

godot10

Munny:
Been scouring the free agent list for alternatives to Russell.

Basically Chia’s choices for the starboard side are Russell, Franson and Stone.

Hainsey was playing the right side for Pittsburgh, and the tough minutes, on a Stanley Cup winner. One should be able to get him on a one year deal. And then on another. Till the gap to Nurse and Benning is bridged.

Better overall mobility. Better passer.

The Trade Guy

Sucks that the Oilers got out from under the Ference contract only to go an sign another one.

Extend Russell

Just in case any of you forgot.
Eberle had 2 assists in 13 playoff games and was -6

………..

Even the stay at home D man Larsson had 2 goals and 3 assists comparatively.

…….

Russell had 4 assists and played like a man against the best opposition.

I’m shocked and quite pleased we got much of anything for such a poor player.
If the coach had sat Ebs after game 3 of the Anaheim series and played Kharia in his place I’m convinced we would have made it pas the ducks.

Good riddance
I would be ok with Russell at 4.5 x 3 years
I was not ok with watching Ebs do basically nothing for another year at 6 tyvm

Munny

Been scouring the free agent list for alternatives to Russell.

Basically Chia’s choices for the starboard side are Russell, Franson and Stone.

Remains to be seen if Stone makes it to July 1 unsigned. If he does he will likely get same term and more money than Russell and is no sure thing. Franson is less likely to be re-signed but comes with lead feet. And Russell.

Or pay a huge price of two 1sts for Hamonic who had a down year, when you can sign a guy for just money and maybe unload him later for a pick.

Really tough call for Chia and with 97 on the team you want to be more risk averse. Hopefully he can negotiate a better deal than reported or backdive it attractively. GMs are often forced into messes. The good ones find their way out of them down the road when they have to. I might have to judge this signing on what happens when the time comes to part ways.

If Dmen continue to be valued so highly, likely won’t be a problem, but you never know.

YKOil

Find myself agreeing with CoA right now.

First: Buffalo traded a 3rd to get a d-man from Montreal, and we traded BD for ‘meh’, so the idea that we have to pay through the nose for decent players is just plain silly.

Second: PC leaks asset value and good luck (healthy year, Benning being as good as he was, etc) can only cover those sorts of losses for so long before it starts to come back to bite you

Third: the trade for Strome puts all risk on the Oilers – if he does poorly we have wasted a great asset and if he does well he is an RFA coming off a good year and will want to get paid

Fourth: PC has given out one horrible contract (Lucic) and is about to, by all accounts, give out another (Russell) – in 2019-20, Oilers will have 12.5% of the Cap ($80 mill Cap?) in two, bad, players

Fifth: Eberle was a good asset and he was traded like he was a poor one – if PC can’t get fair value on good assets how many 1st round picks will need to be added to Lucic to move him?

Sixth: the playing with McDavid discount… where? Moreover, if Toronto gets Nylander, Marner and Matthews signed to decent contracts no one will be saying Edmonton’s future is better than TO’s

Seventh: that said… why is no one really worried about what TO will pay those three? I don’t think McDavid will get $14 million but why is that number even plausible ‘here’?

Eighth: what was so wrong about going another year? Trade Eberle at a discount now rather than next year only locks in the fact you are trading him ‘now’ and locking in the discount.

Aggressiveness and decisiveness are two character traits that can hold a lot of value, and PC has those in spades, but the moment a GM:

– commits to marginal (or even declining) players as ‘my guys’; or
– puts themself in a position where they ‘have-to-do-something (real or imagined)

then that GM starts to get their team get into trouble. PC does those two things A LOT and he lacks the guile of Lamoriello, or the deft touch of Yzerman/Bowman needed to mitigate that damage.

If Russell is coming in at 4×4.5 this will not end well. The Eberle trade was not a good trade.

--hudson--

jtblack,

Great counterpoints! I agree if Eberle lights it up, it won’t be fair to say it was outright a great trade for NYI because he wasn’t going to get that opportunity here. And very true on Letestus age – he’s unlikely to repeat his season.

Pescador

Cassandra,

Sure,
But what kinda beer you got in that van right now?
Inquiring minds would like to know

jtblack

–hudson–,

I think you raise two good points. One is that it’s hard to directly grade any trade because player usage and others factors will impact both players box cars when they move to the new team. But to apply to same lens to the trade, Ebs is going to play on Johnny T’s wing all season and be on PP1 in New York. So if Ebs scores 30 would you say that’s not necessarily a win for New York?

Secondly. All teams are are fluid, with players moving in and out and getting more and less opportunity all the time. Letestu is 32. Somebody is going to replace him at some point. If it happens to be a player that produce’s more in that spot, that is good coaching, gm’ing, development. Letestu is bound to be replaced sooner rather than later. Hopefully, it’s with a player that replaces his production + more.

cheers,

jtblack

–hudson–,

“Also at some point I thought Tambo was that guy, and he really did clean house, especially the training staff” – Did he clean house on the ice or just the training staff?

All GM’s make mistakes. Some more than others. and maybe PC will fall into the category of bad GM in Edm. But he’s only been here 2 yrs. All GM’s deserve at minimum of 5 – 8 yrs. David Poile just won GM of the year (for whatever that is worth) and he had not been to a Cup final in 35 years. I would suggest that if Edm misses the playoffs at any point in the next 3 years, PC’s job will be on the line. The flip side is, if Edm makes the playoffs every year and makes a Cup final or wins the cup, he probably buys himself another 5 years.

--hudson--

barmstrong: The goal is to be the best team in the league.
Last year the Oilers scored 247 and allowed 212.The best goal differential in the conference last year was Minnesota with 266 and 208.So unless you are settling for mediocrity, the goal isn’t to “replace” last year’s offense, we need to add 19 goals and give up 4 fewer.

I think he did:
“The goal is to be the best team in the league.
Last year the Oilers scored 247 and allowed 212.The best goal differential in the conference last year was Minnesota with 266 and 208.So unless you are settling for mediocrity, the goal isn’t to “replace” last year’s offense, we need to add 19 goals and give up 4 fewer.”

The Oilers getting the best goal differential in the league, plus a few qualifiers on how they get there. I think it’s a good idea to focus on the overall team production and not necessarily the individuals, in case in a years time Strome has the same number of goals as Eberle this year, but he got them by taking away Letestu’s spot on the pp. By that lens the trade looks good, but overall the team is not any better off.

--hudson--

Centre of attention:
–hudson–,

Anaheim being dumb doesn’t excuse the Oilers being dumb.

Why stoop to their level?

Why can’t we be the best, damnit?

Who knows?! Yzerman’s contract is up in one year, maybe Steve Tambellini can lobby Nicholson to give them jobs in Edmonton. 😉

Sometimes with Chiarelli I am reminded of the business world where an interim CEO will come in to clean house on a bad management group, before they hire the new CEO to take the new direction. The analogy doesn’t quite fit because of McDavid and the Oilers haven’t exactly cleaned house. Also at some point I thought Tambo was that guy, and he really did clean house, especially the training staff.

When the Oilers were winning, I loved having Sather around. He was shrewd and seemed to win every trade. By the late 90s he made a bunch of bad moves (trading Satan, waiving Ray Whitney, letting David Vyborny walk, and the drafting was gawd awful). Since then in NYR he’s made a bunch of good deals, but their fans grew tired of him as well at times.

Munny

jtblack,

The naysayers have already created the perfect setup for themselves. “Oilers will be good anyways, win Cups anyways, because McDavid. If there’s one thing we’ve learned from the Hall trade, 97 will make the Oilers good regardless.” There’s no possible way out for Chia.

jtblack

barmstrong,

“Give us your criteria please” … What I have seen, is that there is no realistic criteria. Once the mind is made up; it’s virtually impossible to change. The Hall trade made up a few minds, and no matter what the results, the mind is made up. Win 1 Cup? We would have won 2. Do this? We would have done that.

The fact is, the criteria is usually set at an unrealistic bar, so that there is a 1% chance of hitting the criteria, thus proving the opinion of said person and discounting the work of the GM / team.

But maybe Cass will give us a criteria. After the Hall trade, the Oilers blew away all of the criteria that was set. But as Cass says, if the criteria is surpassed the credit goes to McD, nobody else.

Centre of attention

barmstrong,

It would be a win if Chiarelli uses the cap space for something other than blowing his brains out with Russels retirement contract, for starters.

If Strome scores 20 next year I’ll eat my shoe.

barmstrong

Cassandra,

Further to what JTBlack and Slushy ask, what criteria would you use to judge this as a good trade? For example, if Strome pots 22 goals and 48 points playing 3rd line C/2nd line RW and 2PP unit, is that a win for PC? Does it have to 60 points? If he plays with McD, does he have to get 75 points? Give us your criteria please.

Scungilli Slushy

Cassandra: My expectations are higher than that, but I would settle for once, just once, Chiarelli doing something clever.

I think he does clever things, but if he overpays and overterms Russell which makes no sense on any level and actually blocks soon to be ready more talented players, the question will become whether or not he’s Clousea’ing his way through his career.

Scungilli Slushy

Cassandra:
This notion that you can just replace goals is an interesting one, and that if the Oilers don’t lose any goals that therefore this trade (or any trade) didn’t hurt, because it allows any move to be justified after the fact by shifting the goal posts.

The Oilers have McDavid.The goals isn’t to be the 8th best team in the league.The goal is to be the best team in the league.

Last year the Oilers scored 247 and allowed 212.The best goal differential in the conference last year was Minnesota with 266 and 208.So unless you are settling for mediocrity, the goal isn’t to “replace” last year’s offense, we need to add 19 goals and give up 4 fewer.

Now projecting Strome is hard, because the year three years ago is such an outlier.But a basic principle of projections is that the most recent year is more predictive than the ones further away.We all know this.It is why no one expects Eberle to be a pt a game player.But even if you go three years back Strome isn’t going to quite replace Eberle’s offense given the same opportunity.

So let’s say the difference is five goals.That doesn’t sound like a lot, and it could easily be made up somewhere else, but if it is made up somewhere else you haven’t “replaced” those five goals, you found a different five goals somewhere else, and in any event the goal isn’t to stay the same, the goal is to improve by 19 goals, which is now 5 goals harder than it was yesterday.

Putting it this way shows that 5 marginal goals is in fact quite a lot.The first 200 goals are easy.Arizona scored 197 last year.It is the last 60 that are hard to find.So if Bag of Pucks’ prediction is correct, and Eberle gets 55 points and Strome gets 47, that is actually a pretty big difference.

Finally, if Strome takes Letestu’s spot on the powerplay, he will easily “replace” Eberle’s offense, but that will be a function of opportunity, and hence Eberle’s offense has still not been replaced.

But the big picture here is standards of praise and blame.Assessing individual moves based on how the team does compares performance to the wrong counterfactual.If Strome plays ok, and McDavid goes supernova, and the team scores 270 goals, that doesn’t make this a good trade.

We know this to be true because if the opposite were to happen, if Strome were to play great and score 30 goals, but something else falls apart and the team struggles, no one would say this was a bad trade.

Evaluating general manager moves based on how the team does is going to lead you to mistaken conclusions.“Just win Baby” is a formula for not understanding what leads to winning.

I get your points, but they need a lot more qualifications. What if Strome scores 15 points less than Eberle, but other players combine for an extra 30 points because Eberle has been replaced by a player who can do more to help?

This is what getting better players does. I’m not saying Strome is necessarily that player, but the point is valid.

jtblack

Cassandra,

” “Just win Baby” is a formula for not understanding what leads to winning.”

Cassandra. What is your formula for winning, if it’s not winning?

“but if it is made up somewhere else you haven’t “replaced” those five goals, ” – So if you replace the goals, you still haven’t replaced them?

Centre of attention

–hudson–,

Anaheim being dumb doesn’t excuse the Oilers being dumb.

Why stoop to their level?

Why can’t we be the best, damnit?

🙂

prairieschooner

This seems like a good bit of business by PC
Interesting that the GM mentioned now being able to rebuff any offer sheet s that may come in, so clearly he is looking at the big picture
This was a chance to save some cap space and we get a player who may just need a reset I am sure if he ultimately gives Paddy Maroon type numbers we will be happy enough
Managers are constricted in their negotiations because they have to take the BDA Best Deal Available

Cassandra

–hudson–,

This is a good point. Most teams make bad moves. Indeed, out of curiosity I went to the main Islander blog to see the reaction. It turns out there is a strong dislike of Snow and the moves he makes, except for when he deals with Chiarelli, then they love him.

Most teams make bad moves. Some of these teams succeed in spite of themselves. Anaheim’s list of moves is amusing.

Ottawa made an awful trade dealing Zibanajad for Brassard and then made the Eastern finals. Doesn’t make it not an awful trade.

My expectations are higher than that, but I would settle for once, just once, Chiarelli doing something clever.

jtblack

–hudson–,

I will also add to your post. No team has won the cup without a 1st or 2nd overall pick since Detroit in 2008. It’s not PC’s fault Connor has come here. McD greatly increases PC’s chances of success; but that is true for every GM. Sather had some OK players, it doesn’t mean the 80’s Oilers won despite their GM. It take Great players, good coaching and a quality GM for any team to win.

Now PC hasn’t won anything yet, so the jury is out. But I think he should be given fair time to achieve a Cup Win. If we are 3 years down the road and this team has not been to a Cup final or won the Stanley Cup, then I think the criticism is fair. But to date, all PC has done is take a 29th place team to a contending team. how much credit he deserves is a matter of opinion. But the past regime and many others in the League have proved that having an Amazing player does not equal success without adding quality supporting players, coaching, developement and organizational drive. Everyone applauds Snow for his trades with the Oilers. He got Tavares in 2009 and the Isles have won 1 playoff round in 9 years.

frjohnk

Kinger_Oil.redux: – This is an all world comment!Can I come, and invite DSF, and bring a 24 of piss warm 50?

Bring some Clamato and eggs for red eyes in the morning

jtblack

Centre of attention,

Nothing personal .. and know I am not a new Oilers fan. Like you, I love the team and hope the best. never personal. I was just rebutting some of your posts. It seems like you have softened on a few now!

I just remember seeing similiar posts after the hall trade. “We will never win. What a mistake. PC sucks” … and that’s fine, its all opinion.

My opinion is simply that by moving players from the past, that doesn’t automatically make the team worse. I don’t think Edm is a shit hole. I think it’s actually a coveted destination for players now.

Either way, no hard feelings. I hope this team succeeds again next year.

--hudson--

Centre of attention,

I hope this makes you feel better:

– Anaheim traded Kyle Palmieri for a 2nd and 3rd round pick. Since then he’s scored more than Eberle.
– Anaheim traded Maroon for a 4th rounder. You know the outcome of this one.
– Anaheim has paid Kevin Bieksa over $4 million the last 2 seasons
– Anaheim traded Shea Theodore to Vegas to protect Sami Vatanen.
– Anaheim traded good assets for Carl Hagelin, flipped him for David Perron & Adam Clendening, then let the latter two walk.

Pick any team in our division and you’ll have no trouble finding a series of bad movies.

I’m steamed as well, every trade is a new piece of evidence behind a process that doesn’t match the way I would like to see the team put together. It’s frustrating!

One of the good things about McDavid is he’s going to hold the Oilers management to a higher standard. It may not even be explicit, but the pressure is on to push towards a championship.

Scungilli Slushy

JDI: The wording on Tippett was ‘mutually parted ways’. I mean, I’d be pissed too if the GM sent my first-line elbower away.

Mama if that’s movin’ up then I’m…


Movin’ out.

Chayka seems like a persuasive guy. We’ll see what he makes of the team. On a young team, Doan on the right contract in a support role is probably a good idea – mentorship.

I expect Chayka, despite his extensive hockey knowledge with all of that experience, to end up learning stats are only part of the picture. And dogging the dogs.

Centre of attention

Would anyone here give up a prospect and a pick for Methot? 1 year left at 4.1 million. Would be a decent stop gap while Sekera heals. IMO that’s a decent alternative to giving Russel term, which is the real sticking point.

Cassandra

This notion that you can just replace goals is an interesting one, and that if the Oilers don’t lose any goals that therefore this trade (or any trade) didn’t hurt, because it allows any move to be justified after the fact by shifting the goal posts.

The Oilers have McDavid. The goals isn’t to be the 8th best team in the league. The goal is to be the best team in the league.

Last year the Oilers scored 247 and allowed 212. The best goal differential in the conference last year was Minnesota with 266 and 208. So unless you are settling for mediocrity, the goal isn’t to “replace” last year’s offense, we need to add 19 goals and give up 4 fewer.

Now projecting Strome is hard, because the year three years ago is such an outlier. But a basic principle of projections is that the most recent year is more predictive than the ones further away. We all know this. It is why no one expects Eberle to be a pt a game player. But even if you go three years back Strome isn’t going to quite replace Eberle’s offense given the same opportunity.

So let’s say the difference is five goals. That doesn’t sound like a lot, and it could easily be made up somewhere else, but if it is made up somewhere else you haven’t “replaced” those five goals, you found a different five goals somewhere else, and in any event the goal isn’t to stay the same, the goal is to improve by 19 goals, which is now 5 goals harder than it was yesterday.

Putting it this way shows that 5 marginal goals is in fact quite a lot. The first 200 goals are easy. Arizona scored 197 last year. It is the last 60 that are hard to find. So if Bag of Pucks’ prediction is correct, and Eberle gets 55 points and Strome gets 47, that is actually a pretty big difference.

Finally, if Strome takes Letestu’s spot on the powerplay, he will easily “replace” Eberle’s offense, but that will be a function of opportunity, and hence Eberle’s offense has still not been replaced.

But the big picture here is standards of praise and blame. Assessing individual moves based on how the team does compares performance to the wrong counterfactual. If Strome plays ok, and McDavid goes supernova, and the team scores 270 goals, that doesn’t make this a good trade.

We know this to be true because if the opposite were to happen, if Strome were to play great and score 30 goals, but something else falls apart and the team struggles, no one would say this was a bad trade.

Evaluating general manager moves based on how the team does is going to lead you to mistaken conclusions. “Just win Baby” is a formula for not understanding what leads to winning.

Scungilli Slushy

Centre of attention: Like, I thought people were supposed to be taking discounts in order to play with Connor, what happened to that?

This is a great point. The Oilers are closer to the Cup than most teams, and the league knows it. The Russell thing bugs me because he has no offense at this point and that is what gets paid, AND, you get to play with Connor Freakin McDavid.

IF it happens like that, unless there are no restrictions, or a very open movement clause such as 10 no trade teams or the like, it will put me on watch again. I’m so tired of bad or poorly though out Oiler contracts – foot shooting. The Oilers didn’t seemingly win the Stanley Cup on Russell’s back, there isn’t even that angle.

It would be a jackass overreaction to Sekera for a long overly expensive keeper contract.

Centre of attention

Lets be honest.

After watching McDavid rip down the ice and go bar down on opening night, I won’t be thinking about Russels contract or whether or not Strome will pan out or if Puljujarvi is going to make it.

McDavid will make everything better. “Everything in its right place.” or so our host says.

LMHF#1

Snowman:
Today really pissed me off.

Am I missing something or does this look worse?

Pissed. Off.

Yup. Lining up to be a worse roster with several players due for regression/injury.

If this plays out the way it’s looking – it’s embarrassingly bad. Everything since the deadline has been brutal from management.

Hope this Russell stuff is driving up the price for others but severely doubt it.

Kinger_Oil.redux

frjohnk: I wouldn’t mind Russell back but if it’s 4 years $4M I’m going to Cassandras van by the river to share a case of the shittiest beer ever made.

– This is an all world comment! Can I come, and invite DSF, and bring a 24 of piss warm 50?

Wild Bill Hunter

You call this a net loss but that is of course based entirely on past results. No G.M. has ever lost his job based on that. Chiarelli is obviously projecting Strome to be more successful in the Oiler’s system and I think there are elements to his game which bode well in that regard. First off he is a player who is not shy about driving into the slot and the 15-20 pounds and 3 inches he has over Eberle are a net plus. Secondly he has a heavy shot and I am guessing he can learn to one time a shot whereas Ebs seemed incapable of doing that (therefore Letestu was the guy in the Ovechkin spot on the pp)

I am betting that Strome shows a significant level of improvement next season and plays often on McDavid’s right side. That is a position which requires a player with some speed to drive the net keep his stick on the ice and be ready to one time the pass that is coming. Strome is that guy and I think McDavid could very well bring out the best in him.

At this time next year you won’t be worried about a net loss trade you will be worried about how much and how long Strome’s next contract will be.

Centre of attention

Chachi: I honestly don’t know what is going to happen. Did I like the trade? Nope. Could it work out ok? Yes. Do I like the Russell signing? Nope, not at any money, but the team seems to value what he brings so I am going to have to accept he will be on the team for awhile. Do I think the Oilers will never compete for a cup because of 2 moves? No. A team with McDavid and Talbot and Draisaitl and Klefbom and Larsson and RNH will be competitive for a long time because those are players who have proven to be very very good collectively. I still think Puljujarvi is going to be a player, I think Caggiula will contribute more offense so I think added to whatever Strome brings they will be alright. I don’t know if you were referring to Edmonton or the Oilers as a “shit hole”, but either way I think you are way out of line and you need to grow up a little.

That is just my opinion, feel free to ignore it and continue to spray your verbal diarrhea all over this place like it is a gas station toilet bowl.

Yeah I didn’t really want to go with the diarrhea method and I actually broke my own promise and did it anyways.

I apologize. My post was rather blunt. I’ve had a drink and was feeling pretty spicy at the moment.

I guess I just want them to strive for the best, not go with what they feel is comfortable.

I know we still have McDavid and Klefbom and Talbot and Nuge. I love them all to death and will continue to cheer for this team. Heck, I hope Slepyshev takes this opportunity and rips in 20 goals next year.

As passionately negative as you see me now, if this team somehow finds success, I will be here to insert my foot fully in my mouth. Seriously. They win the cup? You can tie me to the goal posts like Milhouse and practice your slap shots on me, while I don’t wear equipment.

I want to love this time so badly. It’s just hard right now. Give it time.

Diablo

JDI:
Professor Q,

They might be signed and waiting to announce. That would satisfy Chia’s stated priorities. Revealing the contracts to us muggles doesn’t factor.

Agree …. they will want to have a presser around July 1 after the UFA frenzy has died down and announce both deals together. They can’t officially do so until then.

dustrock

Centre of attention,

I was going to post but you covered my thoughts on Strome and Russell very well. The Strome trade has been foretold as of old. I don’t like it but I’ll give Strome a chance and I don’t trust the Islanders.

The rumoured Russell signing is just insane to me, like actually a worse deal than Lucic’s, which I didn’t think possible. When even guys like Stauffer and Staples are saying “why 4 years?” It just boggles the mind.

The other interesting note we didn’t really cover is Dreger saying there were 3-4 other deals for Eberle.

Were they worse than Strome? Wrong position? Wrong cap hit or term? I’m intrigued.

jtblack

Scungilli Slushy,

Could it be, that after a decade of Darkness, we as fans are not used to good players. We have seen Hall do well. Ebs do OK and RNH do OK. Yak did not fair well.

Draisatl has got better every year. Do you see signs in his game that leads one to believe he won’t be a cornerstone of this team? I see a player who is young, excellent and trending up. It’s not his fault he finished Top 10 in scoring and had an awesome playoff performance.

As for McD; do you expect him to get 200 points? He IS a generational talent and is one of 3 players in Leauge history to win the Art Ross at 20 (Gretz & Croz). So what would he have to do to win your approval for a monster contract?

Diablo

Centre of attention:
Diablo,

Like, I thought people were supposed to be taking discounts in order to play with Connor, what happened to that?

That’s not going to happen unless Connor sets the precedent and takes a discount. If the Oilers can’t convince his camp, that signing for Crosby money will allow you to actually compete with Crosby for Cups, then it will be business as usual in Oilerland and much of what you are concerned about will probably come to pass.

We wait…..

Centre of attention

Diablo,

I think you could have found a better D-man than Russel who makes less. Schlemko went for a 5th round pick, and every number I look at tells me he is a better d-man than Russel.

Bob Stauffer, who can be a bit of a homer at times, called Russel a #5 D-man on the radio today. He carries water for the team a lot but even he can see that Russel simply isn’t worth that money.

Like, I thought people were supposed to be taking discounts in order to play with Connor, what happened to that?

jtblack:
Centre of attention,

Am I?then maybe I misunderstood your post.

“Edmonton is a shithole” – hmmmm
“How can this team compete for a Cup” – They just finished Top 8 in the League
“PC just pissed away the savings he got” – Russell made $3.1 last yr. So at $4 or $4.5 that doesn’t piss away the $3.5 he just gained .. unless my math is bad
“I defended him longer than a lot of long time posters have” – PC has been GM for 2 yrs. Thank you for vigorously defending him for 12 months. 18 months?

1: The Oilers have been the shit hole of the NHL for quite some time. Are you new? If not even Kris Freaking Russel will take a discount to play with Connor, do you think an actual impact defenseman wants to play here?

2:This roster is worse as it stands than last years, and they didn’t even make the conference final. The second round is not even close to a cup.

3:After adding Russel at 4.5 with Connor coming in at above 12 million, they will not have enough room to add anything else, so yes, he pissed away 3.5 million on a #5 D-man.

4: At least I’m entertaining you with responses, most of the other posters who disagree with the direction of the team figured its best to stop wasting their time arguing with other posters like yourself. Why do I bother? I can’t even answer that question. Maybe its because I think you will understand if I explain it well enough. Hopefully we can still get along with each other even if we disagree.

Seriously, no hard feelings to anyone here who disagrees with what I’m posting. I don’t want us to get at each others throats and make it all personal just because we disagree passionately on a signing or a trade.

As an aside, I’m not even that mad about the Eberle for Strome trade. Strome intrigues me, and maybe he’s not so bad after all moving forwards. But even if he ends up having a great year, you still have to pay the guy after this season.

JD_Wry

Professor Q,

They might be signed and waiting to announce. That would satisfy Chia’s stated priorities. Revealing the contracts to us muggles doesn’t factor.