OILERS SIGN RUSSELL

by Lowetide

The Edmonton Oilers have signed Kris Russell. Four years, $16 million, front loaded, modified no trade as per Ryan Rishaug on TSN.

KRIS RUSSELL 2016-17

 

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.60 (7th among regular defensemen)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 3.23 (one point in 18 minutes)
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 46.4
  • Corsi Rel 5×5 %: -5.8
  • DFF Elite 5×5 %: 47.8
  • DFF Elite Rel 5×5 %: -1.1 (35 percent of TOI v. elites)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 68 shots/1.5%
  • Boxcars: 68, 1-12-13
  • (All numbers via Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com and hockey-reference)
  • Special thanks to GMoney and Woodguy for sharing the DFF’s

As we discussed this morning a four-year deal is too long by plenty. The $4 million per season is also too much (several reports had the number at or near $4.5 million per year) and the contract itself is impossible to defend as value. Once again, free agency is a bad route to go. The Oilers are paying for poor drafting and have been for many years. Getting it right at the draft table this weekend is vital.

 

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Mr. D.

Like Russell when he has the puck in the D zone..not much other than that.

russ99

Admiral Ackbar:
Looked like yesterday they had around $23 in cap space.
Chia is certainly a spendthrift. Blowing dollars like this.

Still need $7.5mil for Draisatl
Still need $2.5mil for Kassian
Still need $4-5mil for bonuses
Have wasted $4mil on #RusselReset

Lets not forget that McDavid’s agent is apparently asking for $14/8years.

This team is already in cap trouble. Nuge’s days are numbered. Good thing we don’t have any large dollar + term contracts with NMCs……… oh wait…..

Putting Sekera on LTIR will free up a chunk that can be used for bonuses. 80% of $5.5M should come close to covering it. We can’t use that before the cap compliance date, since that’s a requirement for LTIR.

If Chia can move Pouliot with a pick tomorrow, that could really help.

TheFinn60

Cassandra,

Good luck, will be a lot of positive energy in that group and no shortage of “f-words”

Chris

The problem I have with this trade and the Hall trade is that they are trades were the best player in the deal went in the other direction. Any team can make one or two of those trades and perhaps if all else goes extremely well they can survive it. However, along with the trade of Tyler Seguin it is becoming a somewhat alarming habit from Chiarelli. If the Oilers continue to send away the best player in trades they will severely undermine their ability to be competitive. T

Admiral Ackbar

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:

What’s so offensive to everyone about my saying he is an average GM?

I 100% agree with you – average GM. Got super lucky with having McDavid.

Admiral Ackbar

McNuge93: Exactly. Oiler fans and management are becoming notorious for selling once value has bottomed out. Not all that intelligent from an asset management standpoint.

Exactly. Oiler fans and management are becoming notorious for selling once value has bottomed out. Not all that intelligent from an asset management standpoint.

BlueNoteNorth

Setting aside whether Russell should or should not be signed – I will defer to TMac on his value – this is a good contract for the Oilers.

The first two years are front loaded at a time when there is cap space.

The last two are low cost when the cap squeeze really picks up.

If Russell hits the wall in two years and/or other D pass him on the depth chart, his remaining value contract can easily be moved or bought out before the no-trade kicks in.

If there is another expansion draft in a couple of years, he can be left unprotected.

This is a good contract for the Oilers.

LMHF#1

Blackwolf:
LMHF#1,

Uhm… chia gets bashed for sacrificing youth and talent to overpay old guys. Isn’t that what you kinda just did?

I’m bashing him for not building a roster with the SC in mind.

I have no problem moving out youth. It is often the best strategy.

McNuge93

Blackwolf,

I agree. Only one that is a total loss was Reinhardt trade. Yak was near worthless when he was traded. Schultz same, oilers had totally destroyed his value. I was onside with hall trade from day one. Ebs trade cannot be called a loss.

Blackwolf

Didn’t get upset with you but I’m ok with chia so I’ll give it a shot.

Ebs. This is fine. Maybe could have gone for a defenseman, but we don’t know what the ++ may have been. We got a serviceable forward and cap space.
Schultz. Fine. Couldn’t justify the contract and know way to shelter him properly. Mercy trade. Happy he’s rocking in pitts but his next contract might push him back to where he was.
Yak. Fine. Salary dump. Doubt he’ll find his way as an effective nhler.
Reinhart. Had hope. Serious fail.
Hall. Fine. Love,like or hate the trade, served it’s purpose.
Maroon. Great trade.
Talbot. Great trade.
Russell. Meh. Risky.
Lucic . Good but risky in later years.

Perhaps I’m just more open minded than most. I’m an oilers fan first and foremost. I understand the need to move assets to better the team. I also highly believe in dressing room dynamic.

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
This contract reeks of Andrew Ference.

I would like to ask the Chia fans who got very upset with me when I said he was a mediocre GM what they truly think of this record:
Eberle for Strome
Schultz for 3rd round pick
Yak for 3rd round pick
30 games of Reinhart for 1st and 2nd round picks
Hall for Larsson
Maroon and money for Gernat and a 4th
Talbot for a 2nd, 3rd, 6th
Russell for 4M X 4
Lucic for 6M x7, NMC

I’m not saying he is horrible but I would say the sum total of his record is pretty average or below average.

Miles better than MacT or Tambo, admittedly.

Chachi: I dislike the signing (too much too long), but in what way does it reek of Andrew Ference? They play a completely different style of game, Russell is a much better skater and is 4 years younger than when the Oilers signed Ference.

Too much too long for a defender who doesn’t excel in anything except shotblocking. Russell is better than Ference was here but I still do not get why 4m X 4 was necessary

Pechetr:
NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Has the team improved under his tenure? Everyone looks at these trades individually but when you are building a team each move has to be considered in the bigger picture and not in isolation. 33 point improvement and a trip to the second round is nothing to sneeze at.

Who said a 33 point improvement is to be sneezed at. Are you also saying Chia is solely responsible for the 33 point improvement? Exactly. I didn’t think you were.

What’s so offensive to everyone about my saying he is an average GM?

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
This contract reeks of Andrew Ference.

I would like to ask the Chia fans who got very upset with me when I said he was a mediocre GM what they truly think of this record:
Eberle for Strome
Schultz for 3rd round pick
Yak for 3rd round pick
30 games of Reinhart for 1st and 2nd round picks
Hall for Larsson
Maroon and money for Gernat and a 4th
Talbot for a 2nd, 3rd, 6th
Russell for 4M X 4
Lucic for 6M x7, NMC

I’m not saying he is horrible but I would say the sum total of his record is pretty average or below average.

Miles better than MacT or Tambo, admittedly.

By my eye two clear wins (Talbot, Maroon). A bunch of “it’s too close to call yet” deals and one clear loss (Reinhart)

Chachi

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
This contract reeks of Andrew Ference.

I dislike the signing (too much too long), but in what way does it reek of Andrew Ference? They play a completely different style of game, Russell is a much better skater and is 4 years younger than when the Oilers signed Ference.

Pechetr

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Has the team improved under his tenure? Everyone looks at these trades individually but when you are building a team each move has to be considered in the bigger picture and not in isolation. 33 point improvement and a trip to the second round is nothing to sneeze at.

LadiesloveSmid

I really want Yamamoto so that means Calgary will draft him.

Count me in the club of people thinking Chiarelli shoots himself in the foot more often than not

Chachi

McSorley33:
Chachi,

I just know all of the NHL’s GMs have been keeping their powder dry for the last 10 years or so just waiting for the day they could offer sheet Darnell Nurse and Matt Benning. No offer sheet on Hampus Lindholm last summer when Anaheim had no way of matching without tearing apart their roster, but yes the siren call of Matt Benning and Darnell Nurse will make the dams holding back all those offer sheets burst.
*************************************************************************************
Anyone remember when PC insinuated an offer sheet for Dougie Hamilton in Boston?
( I thought I read that Neely/Sweeney were super happy with PC )

Boston quickly dealt Hamilton – to Calgary – for peanuts.

I am wondering if PC is thinking that may come back to haunt him……just speculating of course.

I don’t think offer sheets will be a problem until teams are not managed by a group of people who are obviously not interested in using them.

This contract reeks of Andrew Ference.

I would like to ask the Chia fans who got very upset with me when I said he was a mediocre GM what they truly think of this record:
Eberle for Strome
Schultz for 3rd round pick
Yak for 3rd round pick
30 games of Reinhart for 1st and 2nd round picks
Hall for Larsson
Maroon and money for Gernat and a 4th
Talbot for a 2nd, 3rd, 6th
Russell for 4M X 4
Lucic for 6M x7, NMC

I’m not saying he is horrible but I would say the sum total of his record is pretty average or below average.

Miles better than MacT or Tambo, admittedly.

Chachi

Cassandra:
If you want to defend the deal this is how you do it.

All shot metrics require context.Russell’sshot % is poor but that is because his shots for is terrible.

Therefore, this might be a good deal if and only if:

Russell put up those shot numbers despite:

1) playing his fair share against top competition
2) Doing so without playing with McDavid
3) Playing more than his share with the 3rd and 4th lines which for the Oilers were a black hole

Chiarelli apologist!

trencan

TJ Oshie Re-signs with Caps
Eight Years, $46 million. That’s an AAV of 5.75M

Admiral Ackbar

McSorley33,

Lets not forget his signings.

Sekera – win
Lucic – massive numbers and term with NMC
Russel – second pairing dollars for a third pairing dman

Professor Q

McSorley33:
Chachi,

I just know all of the NHL’s GMs have been keeping their powder dry for the last 10 years or so just waiting for the day they could offer sheet Darnell Nurse and Matt Benning. No offer sheet on Hampus Lindholm last summer when Anaheim had no way of matching without tearing apart their roster, but yes the siren call of Matt Benning and Darnell Nurse will make the dams holding back all those offer sheets burst.
*************************************************************************************
Anyone remember when PC insinuated an offer sheet for Dougie Hamilton in Boston?
( I thought I read that Neely/Sweeney were super happy with PC )

Boston quickly dealt Hamilton – to Calgary – for peanuts.

I am wondering if PC is thinking that may come back to haunt him……just speculating of course.

They weren’t super happy with him.

Hence why he was fired.

Professor Q

People are overreacting today.

Relax, and enjoy. ?

Admiral Ackbar

Looked like yesterday they had around $23 in cap space.
Chia is certainly a spendthrift. Blowing dollars like this.

Still need $7.5mil for Draisatl
Still need $2.5mil for Kassian
Still need $4-5mil for bonuses
Have wasted $4mil on #RusselReset

Lets not forget that McDavid’s agent is apparently asking for $14/8years.

This team is already in cap trouble. Nuge’s days are numbered. Good thing we don’t have any large dollar + term contracts with NMCs……… oh wait…..

McSorley33

Chachi,

I just know all of the NHL’s GMs have been keeping their powder dry for the last 10 years or so just waiting for the day they could offer sheet Darnell Nurse and Matt Benning. No offer sheet on Hampus Lindholm last summer when Anaheim had no way of matching without tearing apart their roster, but yes the siren call of Matt Benning and Darnell Nurse will make the dams holding back all those offer sheets burst.
*************************************************************************************
Anyone remember when PC insinuated an offer sheet for Dougie Hamilton in Boston?
( I thought I read that Neely/Sweeney were super happy with PC )

Boston quickly dealt Hamilton – to Calgary – for peanuts.

I am wondering if PC is thinking that may come back to haunt him……just speculating of course.

McSorley33

frjohnk,

I was the leading scoring for my grade 6 intramural floor hockey team.
2 years in a row!!
*************************************************************
Bob Green calling?

McSorley33

mit167,

Chia’s three big trades for the positive and negative…
+ Talbot for picks… Great job, with an assist to Slats. “Once an Oiler”
++ Maroon for prospect and pick… Great job. Chia buying low and winning
+++ Kassian for Scrivens… Great job. Chia buying low and winning
– Hall for Larsson… We needed a D but the better player went the other way. If it was Larsson and the 2nd rounder we lose this year would everyone be a little more happy. Probably.
— Eberle for Strome… We traded a RW for a RW who scores less and gets paid less. I think if we would have gotten Hamonic or Strome plus a pick we’d be okay, but One for One, just doesn’t do it.
— Reinhart for 1st and 2nd rd picks… Swing and a miss. I don’t care if this was somebody else whispering to Chia how good this was going to turn out.
Does it bug anyone else that the Islander got hammered by Vegas but continue to steal our lunch money.
I guess we continue to lose battles but win wars. Not sure if Chia gets that credit or McD.
As far as being pro or con Chia… I’m on the fence.
******************************************************************
This is where I am at as well….

Admiral Ackbar

This is Mark Fayne 2.0
Garbage contract, too many dollars, too much term. This is a 5-6 dman that contributes no offence and can’t make a breakout pass to save his life.

Is Chia honestly this dumb…….????

dustrock

Terry Jones: Russell signing shows OIlers all in to win sooner than later. lol

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers/terry-jones-kris-russell-signing-shows-edmonton-oilers-all-in-to-win-big-sooner-than-later

If McDavid and Draisaitl somehow give up some of the gold that should be coming to them sot he Oilers can sign Russell at $4m/year, I guess I’ll just shrug my shoulders.

Blackwolf

LMHF#1,

Uhm… chia gets bashed for sacrificing youth and talent to overpay old guys. Isn’t that what you kinda just did?

LMHF#1

This was the path if you were going to move Eberle:

Trade Eberle (and + if necessary) for RHD help.

Sign a vet RW in early July to a short term deal. There are several available.

If you need more help, trade first rounder + JP.

Sign 2 depth vet defencemen who are available cheap before the season. At least one would probably pan out.

Don’t mind me

Cassandra: I am a seer. I see so far I am the farthest see-er. The future is mine to know and yours to find outrageous.

In the end, it just doesn’t matter.

Blackwolf

godot10,

And they would jump on one year deals with Edmonton why? And what about year 2 if neither nurse or benning are ready to step up?
The problem with being a real gm is every decision is a calculated risk.
The advantage of being an armchair gm is that we can shoot magical rainbows out our arses because it’s so easy.
I do like hainsey as well though.

Oilin4

dustrock: If there was one d-man to offer sheet, I’m still shocked half the NHL didn’t try to sign him.

Hard to know if this is just the player not agreeing to the terms either.

Cassandra

If you want to defend the deal this is how you do it.

All shot metrics require context. Russell’s shot % is poor but that is because his shots for is terrible.

Therefore, this might be a good deal if and only if:

Russell put up those shot numbers despite:

1) playing his fair share against top competition
2) Doing so without playing with McDavid
3) Playing more than his share with the 3rd and 4th lines which for the Oilers were a black hole

Oilin4

One cap benefit of the Russel signing. One of Nurse’s bonuses is top 3 on the team in blocked shots. Russel virtually guarantees Nurse can’t get that spot (given playing time for Klef and Larsson). Now where to find the other $3.8M….

godot10

Blackwolf:
godot10,

And we would be playing whom? Klef-lars, nurse-benning, osterle-fayne?

Sign Hainsey (tough minutes D for Pittsburgh in the playoffs) to a one year deal. Sign Marc Streit to a one year deal. Sign Gryba to a one-year deal.

Blackwolf

godot10,

And we would be playing whom? Klef-lars, nurse-benning, osterle-fayne?

dustrock

Chachi: I just know all of the NHL’s GMs have been keeping their powder dry for the last 10 years or so just waiting for the day they could offer sheet Darnell Nurse and Matt Benning. No offer sheet on Hampus Lindholm last summer when Anaheim had no way of matching without tearing apart their roster, but yes the siren call of Matt Benning and Darnell Nurse will make the dams holding back all those offer sheets burst.

If there was one d-man to offer sheet, I’m still shocked half the NHL didn’t try to sign him.

Chachi

godot10: The Russell signing means Nurse and Benning are susceptible to offer sheets next summer.That is the immediate consequence.Chiarelli is probably inking in transitional deals into his spreadsheet, but the Russell contract makes him vulnerable to offer sheets which aren’t transitional deals.

I just know all of the NHL’s GMs have been keeping their powder dry for the last 10 years or so just waiting for the day they could offer sheet Darnell Nurse and Matt Benning. No offer sheet on Hampus Lindholm last summer when Anaheim had no way of matching without tearing apart their roster, but yes the siren call of Matt Benning and Darnell Nurse will make the dams holding back all those offer sheets burst.

godot10

Blackwolf:
Calgary is looking for a top 4d.Calgary loved Russell, Calgary was Russell’s preferred destination because of family. Waiting until July 1st would probably have been a bad idea.While there are some interesting ufa’s coming available, who knowswhat term or $’s they will receive.We don’t have many assets that other teams want (young,cheap,high upside), so trades are a challenge. Except for chia being an incompetent fool. Can’t believe he didn’t pull the trigger on oel for a 6th because he insisted on getting a 7th back as well.I really don’t understand this rabid reaction to every move. Did he poop wrong this morning too?

Russell signing in Calgary would have been a dream scenario. Undermining the enemy instead of yourself.

godot10

misfit:
Russell will most likely be a boat anchor near the end of this contract, and the way it’s structured, a buyout in the last 2 years would be a pretty manageable thing to deal with.My only hope is when that day comes, Chiarelli doesn’t decide the only way to get under the cap is to trade a superior player making similar money instead of trading or buying out Russell.

NOT with cap recapture on front loaded deals.

In the prime of McDavid’s career, Lucic and Russell are likely to be on the books for $10 million and probably non-productive players.

Chelios is a Dinosaur

I was really hoping for that 5 cup run we are owed but Chirelli flushed the iron clad and locked down chance of that happening into NJ. And now an overpay on a vet depth d-man that everyone in the room likes: and there goes the other four cups I had fenwicked into my bedpost.

Our window to overtake the leafs all time is closing faster with every transaction.

godot10

delooper:
I’m reading the posts by the people getting worked-up and I just don’t see it.Yall are way too used to having panic attacks. This is a normal move made by a good GM for a good team. Not every GM move is a Chris Pronger in-his-prime for a 7th round pick kind of deal. Relax folks.

The Russell signing means Nurse and Benning are susceptible to offer sheets next summer. That is the immediate consequence. Chiarelli is probably inking in transitional deals into his spreadsheet, but the Russell contract makes him vulnerable to offer sheets which aren’t transitional deals.

TO10801

Oilin4: You’re right, it’s too early to make a call on the draft. But I’m of the opinion that the Lucic contract is going to force us to choose between one of Klefbom or Nuge (not both). Noone will want him on a trade, and he’s buyout proof. The Russel deal is a big risk to assume he can trade it. It requires that (a) you find a suitor, and (b) he isn’t injured. Two big ifs for a small mid-30s player who puts himself in harms way often (and isn’t very good to begin with).

Yeah the Lucic contract was not great and may be an issue down the line. However, I see Russell as a pretty good comparable to Ference. Ference was a solid 4/5 Dman for a cup winning team in Boston at the same age as Russell will be during this deal. The issue will of course be fitting everyone under the cap, but CHI has the same issues and has remained competitive. For me, it will be interesting to see how Chicago does over the next 5 years, as Edmonton will be in a similar position in 2-3 years.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

Pechetr,

delooper,

tomo,

Genjutsu,

Bank Shot,

A few years ago a GM and a Coach brought in an aged NHL veteran who played a heart on his sleeve, hard nosed, gritty style. His job was to help the coach and GM sell that vision to the youngsters on the team. The idea was to instill a hard working culture, one of accountability and sticking up for one another. Problem was he, the Coach and the GM didn’t know what the hell they were doing, confused talking tough with leading and ended up pissing everyone off while bringing on yet another few years of 29-30th place finishes. Now that trio got us CmD so I appreciate that but there is a parallel to our current situation.

Once the lottery balls fell the way they did things in Oilerland changed, not just for the players but for the fans as well and we are still trying to come to terms with that fallout.

We don’t need to re-hash each and every thing but I think we can all agree that after the last two seasons, despite some people both new and old maybe not achieving their potential there is very clearly a new vibe around the Edmonton Oilers. Mark Fayne, Griffin Reinhart, Benoit Pouliot, Anton Shlepyshev, Anton Lander, Tyler Pitlick, Milan Lucic and Jordan Eberle will all voluntarily tell you that expectations under Chia/TMac are different than coaches/GMs before. Yes some of them were gifted opportunities but when they failed those opportunities were taken away. Maybe not quick enough for some posters here but it did happen. We can go back and look at the game tape and we can see it.

Where does Kris Russell fit into this narrative?

Kris is not the flashiest of defensemen, nor is he the fastest, the toughest or the most skilled. But my hunch is that he listens very well to his coaches, he does what they tell him to do and despite not being Drew Doughty he leaves absolutely everything on the ice. Oh and he can and does play against top competition (last year on his off-side).

Those facets of his game have immense value to a coach and GM who are building a team around a 20 year old, a 22 year old and two defensemen who aren’t yet 26 years old. Despite not being measurable at this point intangibles do matter, they matter for a team trying to develop a whole lot of young raw talent into a force in the best hockey league on the planet. Because Kris Russell can and will likely continue to play against top (or near top) competition for the next few years he can be another voice on the bench and in the dressing room that helps to build a work ethic and a culture for other players on the team.

I’m sure a lot of folks don’t agree with me and that’s fine but mentorship matters, its hugely important for young people trying to build a career. Lives can get sidetracked very quickly when you are young (ask Zach Kassian or Craig MacTavish) and someone older, who has been around the block and can still walk the walk are people you look up to.

Kris Russell got paid today because he’s an effective hockey player who probably deserves about $4 million per year. He got the term because the coach and GM believe that Kris can help them build up players like Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Benning, Jones, Mantha and Bear while still being able to play high level NHL hockey. Its the same reason that Lucic got dollars and term.

I know this may not be convincing enough for many posters here and that’s fine I understand in a cap world why you may disagree.

But for ten years we watched what happens when you throw a bunch of young men into the deep end of the pool, give them tens of millions of dollars and fail to give them effective support both on and off the ice for them to succeed. It wasn’t pretty and I still cheer like hell for Hallsy and I will for Eberle at least until either meets the Oilers in the playoffs. It wasn’t their fault the Oilers spoiled the hell out of them and turned a blind eye to their development at the same time.

I’m perfectly fine playing and paying Kris Russell if he helps the team avoid all the stupid crap they have been guilty of the last decade.

godot10

P2theickles1:
Why would Chia sign Russel now?
What was the rush?
Why not wait until July 1 and see what is available?
Russell wants to stay in Alberta that is know, so he should have leverage.
Signed last year late in the year as nobody wanted him or would pay him term or money.
This deal makes no sense!

Worst case Russell get signed July 1 and we have to find another solution or Russell doesn’t get signed and we just sign him late in the summer after other options are looked at.

Terrible move by Chia

Belichek let both Hightower and McCourty (and Revis and Welker, etc) test the open market. Chiarelli was negotiating against himself right now. Russell couldn’t get an offer last year on the open market. Let him go to market again.

Oilin4

TO10801: Okay so he signed Lucic and Russell. Russell’s deal will be tradeable and Lucic may or may not fall apart in 4 or so years. How has he drafted poorly? Last 2 drafts look pretty good from here. He’s won some trades and lost some, but it seems odd to me that there are so many claiming PC has torn this team apart when we’ve witnessed such significant growth.

You’re right, it’s too early to make a call on the draft. But I’m of the opinion that the Lucic contract is going to force us to choose between one of Klefbom or Nuge (not both). Noone will want him on a trade, and he’s buyout proof. The Russel deal is a big risk to assume he can trade it. It requires that (a) you find a suitor, and (b) he isn’t injured. Two big ifs for a small mid-30s player who puts himself in harms way often (and isn’t very good to begin with).

godot10

Cassandra: I’m going to start a list of the anti-Chiarelli support group.So far:

Me
Leadfarmer
Center of Attention
LMHF#1
Younger Oil
Thinker

Now be warned, by virtue of your thought crimes you will be trolled mercilessly by Oiler fans who will tolerate no dissent in their praise of the Mortal God.

It’s #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach’s fault! -). He’s allergic to winning the Stanley Cup.

Durag

I am clinging to fading hope that these moves are part of some grander off-season plan. Where’s the ambition to aim higher than last year?