OILERS AT 84: DMITRI SAMORUKOV

by Lowetide

Bob McKenzie had him No. 76. Craig Button had him No. 53. I had him No. 133.

  • No. 133 LD Dmitri Samorukov, Guelph (OHL). Giant defenseman, two-way type.

Brock Otten: Up and down year for Samorukov. Started off the year very well, but really hit a wall through the middle of the season, up until the final couple of months. Then he finished the year exceptionally well, including a very strong performance for Russia at the U18’s. This is the type of inconsistency I was talking about in Adam Ruzicka’s write up. When he’s off, Samorukov looks lost on the ice. Turnovers a plenty and a lot of puck chasing defensively. A lot of that can be attributed to the team he played on this year in Guelph though, who struggled as a team with turnovers and consistency in effort. But when he was on, which was the vast majority of the second half, he looked like a legitimate NHL prospect. Samorukov is an excellent skater who showcases a great ability as a puck rusher. But he also has a big point shot, which he was able to really improve the accuracy of later in the year. Defensively, I really like his intensity. Sure, he runs around a little too much sometimes. And sure, his reads could use some work. But, he plays the game hard in his own end and really makes opposing forwards keep their heads up. There’s a lot of potential to develop into a quality two-way defender with Samorukov IMO, and as such I think he’s really worked himself back into the conversation as a 2nd round pick come June. Source

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N64

stephen sheps: Calgary was willing to mortgage their 2018 draft (no picks until Rd. 4) for 3 seasons of cost certainty and a top 4 D that rivals only Nashville for quality and balance.

Ok good. Chicago had to go through Nashille’s D. We get to go through Calgary’s and Nashville’s.

Chia knows more about D than us. So I hope you are overstating what he does for Calgary’s D. Perhaps Chia was smart to leave him to Calgary, but with the Ebs deal he had right of first refusal at Calgary’s price and probably leverage to pay less.

N64

Diablo: Yeah but it was not a 1st round pick in this year’s draft that Snow wanted – it was a first round pick in NEXT year’s draft that he received in the deal for Hamonic. Next year there is supposed to be a much better draft crop.

So would you have traded Ebs and next year’s first for Hamonic?

Starting at Ebs and next years first for Hamonic and Strome. Would have used the Ebs leverage to pick up Hamonic for less than Calgary.

VOR

TODD MACALLAN,

Thanks for the link. I had been saying in the first thread of the day that Samorukov has issues skating forward, Brock Otten above seems to think he has overcome them. But I said, based both on what I have seen personally and a lot of scouting reports he skates beautifully backward. Turns out from the interview he became a defenceman because as a kid he skated great backwards not so well forwards. Swedish Poster pointed out that other recent Oiler D picks share this trait, better backwards than forwards, which is very interesting.

misfit

RLR has him lower than Bob but higher than LT. Ranked #93 and compared him to Jason Demers.

Todd Macallan
stephen sheps

doritogrande,

You do it enough most days, and after the week our fanbase has had, I can’t say I blame you.

Appreciate the kinds words though.

doritogrande

Sheps:

Thank you for your well-written voice of reason. I can’t be bothered to continue to come up with well written retorts like that today.

stephen sheps

While I understand all the consternation over the Hamonic deal and particularly the destination, I don’t think he was ever really on the table for the Oilers.

This strikes me as a move Snow needed to make to clear space to go for Shattenkirk. Offence-first coach and a need to make JT happy means he needed to clear both cap space and roster space for a coveted UFA who wants to be in New York.

Calgary was willing to mortgage their 2018 draft (no picks until Rd. 4) for 3 seasons of cost certainty and a top 4 D that rivals only Nashville for quality and balance.

As to the Oilers, I really don’t believe that there was an Eberle++ for Strome and Hamonic deal in place because Chia recognizes he’s gonna need picks and players on ELCs (a la Pittsburgh) down the road in order to not have to blow up the core. Sure, the counterpoint here is “Russell contract bad”, of which there can be no arguing, but I think I’d rather have most of the Oilers draft picks to be used either as they are intended or as currency for future deals once McDavid’s extension actually kicks in rather than no picks in the top 100 next season.

Diablo

HT Joe: I think many here would have expected next year’s Oiler’s 1st round pick to be pretty low if we had rounded out our top 4 with a Hamonic…

Yeah fair.

doritogrande

Ostap Safin. Good pick.

doritogrande

I think many here would have expected next year’s Oiler’s 1st round pick to be pretty low if we had rounded out our top 4 with a Hamonic…

Never assume this. We’re a Talbot or Connor injury away from another top-5 pick, even with Hamonic.

HT Joe

Diablo: Yeah but it was not a 1st round pick in this year’s draft that Snow wanted – it was a first round pick in NEXT year’s draft that he received in the deal for Hamonic. Next year there is supposed to be a much better draft crop.

So would you have traded Ebs and next year’s first for Hamonic?

I think many here would have expected next year’s Oiler’s 1st round pick to be pretty low if we had rounded out our top 4 with a Hamonic…

Diablo

N64: Eberle and the first you were willing to move would have done it.

Yeah but it was not a 1st round pick in this year’s draft that Snow wanted – it was a first round pick in NEXT year’s draft that he received in the deal for Hamonic. Next year there is supposed to be a much better draft crop.

So would you have traded Ebs and next year’s first for Hamonic?

doritogrande

Dammit. Strome went 106.

Rondo

Hamonic would put the Oilers in Cap hell. They need a 2nd wave of prospects to develop.

N64

Excuse the pun. Until we traded Ebs we had the Hammer.

McSorley33

We have heard the market for top 4 RHD is like Bitcoin…..

But Calgary has just obtained two pretty good ones for ….pretty reasonable prices in the last 2 years.

doritogrande

Next Oilers pick coming up at 115. Please please please Strome.

Diablo

Younger Oil:
Suprised that Matthew Strome is still on the board.

You jinxed it LOL.
Actually I’m glad he’s off the board – very slow boots, but the Oilers might have been tempted to pick him. Seems like a perfect Philly pick though.

N64

Diablo: If Hamonic had been traded anywhere else but Calgary, there would not be so much consternation about this. I would have traded this years first, but not next years picks – not having a 2nd rounder to use as trade capital limited the Oilers ability to make a deal at last year’s trade deadline.

Eberle and the first you were willing to move would have done it.

Diablo

Klima’s_Bucket:
Is Eberle worth a 1st and two seconds?

Surely the Oilers could have topped up the Eberle trade to get Hamonic instead of letting Calgary get him for a song and dance.

If Hamonic had been traded anywhere else but Calgary, there would not be so much consternation about this. I would have traded this years first, but not next years picks – not having a 2nd rounder to use as trade capital limited the Oilers ability to make a deal at last year’s trade deadline.

rickithebear

Hamonic
Carreer bottom 30 hd dman.
Last year 3.18 evga60 with top 5 hd goalie
Russel – Larrson (1st comp) 1.38 evga60

I so F….. Happy Calgary got that top 4 dman!

doritogrande

Surely the Oilers could have topped up the Eberle trade to get Hamonic instead of letting Calgary get him for a song and dance.

Song and a dance? Calgary completely mortgaged their future for Hamonic. Your value of draft picks is incredibly skewed.

N64

If Chia was still sitting on the Ebs Strome deal this morning anyone think we could have used it to scoop the Hamonic deal with a smaller pick package?

Younger Oil

Suprised that Matthew Strome is still on the board.

T0ML

Shit, we lead the mid rounds rush this year on that with Skinner….

Bag of Pucks:
Two smart things the Oil are doing this draft imo:

1) CHL
2) Taking a good G prospect before the mid rounds rush on that position

doritogrande

Um, Calgary with a pretty good top 4 D….

They will still only put two on the ice at a time. Connor McDavid will still own them.

Klima's_Bucket

Is Eberle worth a 1st and two seconds?

Surely the Oilers could have topped up the Eberle trade to get Hamonic instead of letting Calgary get him for a song and dance.

McSorley33

Um, Calgary with a pretty good top 4 D….

Bag of Pucks

Two smart things the Oil are doing this draft imo:

1) CHL
2) Taking a good G prospect before the mid rounds rush on that position

doritogrande

LT still has a first round projection on the board. Matt Strome. Watch Oilers fans collectively die if we draft him.

Bag of Pucks

Chiarelli building down the middle on day 2 so far. That’s what I was hoping to see.

Not loving the Hobbit pick yesterday, but as with all these lads realizing their dream, I’ll root for him every step of the way.

Diablo

Popugaev finally off the board to NJ in the 4th round.

N64

leadfarmer: I wonder were the discussion for Hamonic ended.I would have been more than ok with giving up what Flames did

Ended when we gave them Ebs for Strome. We needed fewer picks to do that deal. We let Calgary in when we did not close Eberle+ picks for Hamonic (or Eberle++ for Hamonic+Strome) .

Diablo

Rondo:
OHL Prospects‏ @BrockOtten

Oilers take another favourite of mine in Dmitri Samorukov. A massive enigma, but he’s got fantastic potential. Very high upside.

So far I really like what the Oilers are doing at the draft table this year – going after the kids with high end potential.

Diablo

I wonder if the Oilers go after Michael Stone now that Hamonic is in Calgary. We’ll have to wait and see what Connor and Leon’s next contracts look like.

Rondo

OHL Prospects‏ @BrockOtten

Oilers take another favourite of mine in Dmitri Samorukov. A massive enigma, but he’s got fantastic potential. Very high upside.

leadfarmer

N64:
Oilers gave up the whip hand on the Hamonic trade when they gave the NYI a linemate for Travers. Eberle and a pick would have landed Hamonic.

I wonder were the discussion for Hamonic ended. I would have been more than ok with giving up what Flames did

Diablo

Sounds like he has a lot of tools but consistency is lacking – he’ll get plenty of development time in juniors. Draft and follow.

Ducey

Sounds toolsy

N64

leadfarmer:
Leftorium was looking thin as of late.Needed replenishing.

GR followed the leftftorium to Vegas.

N64

Oilers gave up the whip hand on the Hamonic trade when they gave the NYI a linemate for Tavares. Eberle and a pick would have landed Hamonic.

leadfarmer

Boom or bust type prospect which is what I want to see

leadfarmer

Leftorium was looking thin as of late. Needed replenishing.

doritogrande

Late (June) birthday can only be a positive.

He’ll need 5 years of monitoring.