CHIARELLI’S FREE AGENTS

by Lowetide

It’s so easy to forget about the sequence of events as time marches on. On the day Peter Chiarelli took over, he had a herculean task in front of him. My first “Chiarelli’s list” went like this:

  1. Draft McDavid (and sign him)
  2. Find a quality goalie option (this is the Talbot/Lehner item)
  3. Acquire a legit top pairing blue (as always, clear as mud days before bullets fly)
  4. Sign a more offensive two-way F (I’m hoping for Soderberg)
  5. Ignore MacT re: Marincin (Or trade Marincin for someone goooooood)

He did draft and sign McDavid, traded for a goalie, and signed his first Oilers free agent in order to cover off item No. 3. Here are Peter Chiarelli’s free agents as Oilers general manager:

PETER CHIARELL FREE AGENTS 2015-16

  1. July 1, 2015: Signed D Andrej Sekera. Six years, $33 million, $5.5 million AAV. The Sekera signing suggested (to me) the Oilers were now shopping down a better aisle in free agency. He was absolutely one of the best available defensemen that summer and has shown himself to be a worthy part of the key veteran cluster in his two years in Edmonton.
  2. July 1, 2015: Signed RC Mark Letestu. Three years, $5.4 million, $1.8 million AAV. Letestu called it better than anyone on the day he signed. He was a guest on TSN1260’s free agent show and told me he would play in all situations and felt he could help on the power play. He didn’t get a lot of opportunity in year one, but scored 11 with the man advantage this past season.
  3. October 6, 2015: Signed L Braden Christoffer. Three-year entry-level deal, CHL free agent. Rode a hot training camp to an NHL entry-level contract but he hasn’t been able to find the range as a pro player.
  4. March 13, 2016: Signed W Jere Sallinen. One year, $792,500 (same AAV). The Oilers have been signing outlier European players for about one decade now and the success rate is very poor. Sallinen couldn’t get much done in the AHL, never got close to Edmonton.
  5. April 7, 2016: Signed G Nick Ellis. Two year entry level, college free agent. Chiarelli was very aggressive in procuring goalies, and Ellis looks like he might have some NHL potential. His first pro season puts him on a trajectory similar to Laurent Brossoit.
  6. May 6, 2016: Signed F Drake Caggiula. Two-year entry level, college free agent. Caggiula had to deal with injury and playing out of position (I don’t think he’s a center) but by the playoffs he was using that speed to make plays in all disciplines. He may get a long look on a skill line this fall.
  7. May 9, 2016: Signed R Patrick Russell. Two-year entry level, college free agent. The least successful of the college signings of 2016, he shot the puck a lot but couldn’t score for the Condors. An improved shooting percentage seems likely this year.

I think the two major free agents from year one have proven to have impacted things in a positive way. The AAV for Sekera is dear but in full free agency, you  pay in full. For me this was a successful year in free agency. Caggiula was playing a significant role by the end of the season and could be a long-term solution in the top 9F. Ellis is an interesting prospect.

PETER CHIARELL FREE AGENTS 2016-17

  1. July 1, 2016: Signed L Milan Lucic. Seven years, $42 million ($6 million AAV). Chiarelli’s biggest free-agent signing to date, probably the biggest we’ll see during his time as Oilers general manager. Lucic is a unique player, he posted a season with expected boxcars but did not score well at 5×5 (normally an area of strength). He’ll be under a microscope this winter.
  2. July 1, 2016: Signed G Jonas Gustavsson. One year, $800,000 (same AAV). A strange signing from the beginning but a harbinger of the ‘small bet’ activity we saw July 1, 2017. Gustavsson is the least successful free agent of the Chiarelli era.
  3. July 1, 2016: Signed D Mark Fraser. One year, $575,000 (same AAV). Another depth signing, the rugged defender didn’t see the NHL during the 2016-17 season.
  4. August 27, 2016: Signed RD Matt Benning. Two-year entry level, college free agent. This may end up being the best free-agent signing of the Chiarelli era. Former Bruins draft pick when PC was in Boston, Benning was not only a perfect fit but he delivered a stunning rookie season.
  5. Oct 7, 2016 Kris Russell: One year, $3.1 million deal. A training camp invite, who signed a value deal. He was part of the solidification of the defense and in particular, part of Chiarelli’s massive overhaul of right defense. His coverage is the subject of some controversy, but Puck IQ shows him as a good defender.
  6. April 10, 2017: Signed G Shane Starrett. Two-year entry level, college free agent. Nick Ellis version 2.0? We’ll have to wait and see but the college goalie signing idea has a lot of merit. Starrett’s college numbers were excellent and he could be another plug-and-play for the Condors.

The Lucic signing doesn’t look brilliant after one year (I was in favor of the signing and remain hopeful ML has a strong season, but the first one wasn’t close to good enough). Matt Benning signing was a stroke of genius, need to get him signed to that second deal before the cost is too dear.

PETER CHIARELL FREE AGENTS 2017-18

  1. March 28, 2017: Signed LC Joe Gambardella, two-year entry-level deal, college free agent. I expect his offensive potential will limit his pro career, but I am intrigued by his forechecking ability and look forward to seeing if he can score enough to make the NHL.
  2. March 1, 2017: Signed RD Ryan Mantha. Three-year entry-level deal, CHL free agent. PC hasn’t had a lot of success so far with CHL free agents (Christoffer) but this is an area worth pursuing. Mantha has a somewhat unique skill set (Bear will be his competition) for the Oilers pro depth chart.
  3. July 1, 2017: Signed R Ty Rattie. One year, $700,000 (same AAV). This is a sneaky good signing and I wonder if we look back on the addition as being more important than it appeared on first blush. He has a $225,000 minor league salary but $275,000 is guaranteed according to CapFriendly. (All numbers via CapFriendly).
  4. July 1, 2017: Signed LD Ryan Stanton. Two years, $1.4 million ($700,000 AAV). The minor league portion is $300,000 and that suggests to me we are going to see Stanton as a recall over the next two years. The high minor-league salary should be enough to keep teams from claiming Stanton when he is moving between Bakersfield and Edmonton.
  5. July 1, 2017: Signed R Mitch Callahan. Two years, $1.4 million ($700,000 AAV). I think Callahan has a chance to play with the Oilers this coming season. His minor league salary (average) is $250,000 which is a little higher than Rattie’s. Fascinating set of contracts.
  6. July 1, 2017: Signed R Brian Ferlin. One year, $700,000 (same AAV). Chiarelli drafted him for the Bruins, Ferlin has shown promise but is coming off some significant injury issues.
  7. July 1, 2017: Signed G Edward Pasquale. One year, $700,000 (same AAV). AHL backup is my guess, he’s there in case Nick Ellis falters or is needed at the NHL level.
  8. July 1, 2017: Signed LD Keegan Lowe. One year, $650,000 (same AAV). Lowe has had a good pro career so far, don’t know where he lands on the depth chart but it could be slightly above or below Dillon Simpson.
  9. July 1, 2017: Signed LC Grayson Downing. One year, $650,000 (same AAV). There is $215,000 guaranteed at the minor league level, his AHL salary is listed as $175,000. I don’t know enough about this player to properly project him, but expect he’ll be in the minors for the entire year.
  10. July 3, 2017: Signed LC Brad Malone. Two years, $1.3 million ($650,000 AAV). Malone has landed in a very good spot, one occupied by Anton Lander one year ago. I think he may end up making the team out of training camp based on current PK options.
  11. July 7, 2017: Signed L Jussi Jokinen. One year, $1.1 million (same AAV). I don’t think it’s hyperbole to suggest there’s a chance this ends up being Chiarelli’s best NHL free-agent signing. This has a change to be a ridiculous value deal.
  12. July 10, 2017: Signed LD Yohann Auvitu. One year, $700,000 (same AAV). This is a one-way deal, so Auvitu gets the full salary no matter where he plays. I like his chances based on current roster makeup and wonder if the club makes room for him in 2018-19 if this season goes well.

A terribly unusual free-agent year so far, the Jokinen and Auvitu signings are astute and may have extreme value. I like the Rattie and Callahan signings, we’ll have to wait and see on the others.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

It’s tempting to say Peter Chiarelli’s free agents are identical to his trades: The big moves cost too much for what they bring and the smaller deals end up being the value moves. That’s not strictly speaking true, as Andrej Sekera has delivered value and we’re just one (disappointing) season into the Milan Lucic deal. Maybe the most interesting item is there are only two deals over $2 million dollars through three summers of activity.

I rank the best deal so far as being Matt Benning, with Jussi Jokinen, Sekera, Auvitu and Caggiula also showing well. The value UFA signings of summer 2017 may be the template for coming seasons, when money’s too tight to mention because of the big money contracts at the top of the depth chart.

OPENING NIGHT 2005-06

  • L1: Smyth—Horcoff—Dvorak
  • L2: Torres—Peca—Hemsky
  • L3: Moreau—Stoll—Pisani
  • L4: Harvey—Reasoner—Laraque
  • D1: Pronger—Staios
  • D2: Ulanov—Smith
  • D3: Cross—Bergeron
  • G1: Ty Conklin (Jussi Markkanen)

This is the last roster that came close to balance, the goaltending was not quality but the rest of this roster was beyond splendid. I could stare at this roster all day. ALL day.

POSSIBLE OPENING NIGHT 2017-18

  • Maroon—McDavid—Nuge
  • Lucic—Drasiatil—Slepyshev
  • Jokinen—Strome—Puljujarvi
  • Caggiula—Letestu—Kassian
  • Klefbom—Russell
  • Nurse—Larsson
  • Auvitu—Benning
  • Talbot (Brossoit)

I have Nuge on RW and split up the Swedish pairing. Thoughts? This is probably my least favorite possible lineup, so book it for opening night!

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. Things get a little loose in the summer, that’s when the fun begins! Scheduled to appear:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. Nuge at RW? Cap for Leon and ideal pairings with Andrej Sekera on IR.
  • Jesse Spector, FanRag Sports and The Score. MLB Trade deadline.
  • Don Landry, CFL.ca. CFL Week Six on the way.
  • Guy Flaming, Pipeline Show. Oil Kings changing out goaltenders.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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russ99

Lucic had an OK year, and considering how he was put on a line with the no-cycle twins (Eberle and RNH) I thought he did pretty well, and had reasonable boxcars.

Not to mention his steadying veteran influence in the room and able to physically take care of players who were headhunting our kids.

If he has linemates (Leon, Strome, Slepyshev) better suited to his game – which is not parking in the crease, contrary to current opinion – and better conditioning this year akin to what Maroon did last summer, we’ll be happy with the signing.

McNuge93

Re defence I would rather see Russell as a LD. Maybe:
Klefbom Benning
Nurse Larsson
Russell Gryba

And that 2006 roster? It was OKish but it sure looked a lot better after the trade deadline.

russ99

Klefbom – Larsson: with Sekera gone a while, they’ll need to eat more of the tough minutes, splitting them up hurts our defense, and Benning may not be able to handle the load.

Russell – Benning: Similar to Sekera-Russell last year but can be as or more effective with Russell likely playing better on his natural side. I see Benning as good as a Demers/Franson type.

Nurse – Gryba: Would have preferred the Oilers grabbing a better version of Gryba, he hand grenades the puck too often in our zone, but he’s an adequate defensive shelter for Nurse’s learning curve.

Jethro Tull

russ99:
Lucic had an OK year, and considering how he was put on a line with the no-cycle twins (Eberle and RNH) I thought he did pretty well, and had reasonable boxcars.

If he has linemates (Leon, Strome, Slepyshev) better suited to his game– which is not parking in the crease, contrary to current opinion –and better conditioning, we’ll be happy with the signing.

I was just about to post something similar and I did yesterday. The fact that Lucic didn’t play like we expected seems to have blinkered everyone to the fact that he was on the money last year as far as point production goes.

So if his PP production wasn’t there last season, who replaces it? Jordan wasn’t getting it done, Maroon covered the Lucic role, and Lucic excelled on the PP. Isn’t this the real, true meaning of ‘Balance’? Not when all the players are performing like robots in their allotted tasks and roles, but being able to pick up the slack in when others are faltering?

It would be nice to say “well, Ebs got X pts on the PP last year, so we’ll pencil him in for that again,” however, now teams are watching for that little mid-slot pop up that Ebs used to do and guard against it. So change tack.

There have been certain teams that play by rote, and been very good, the Lidstrom Wings, and other teams see their success and wish to emulate, which is strange, because unless you have a hall of famer D with a hall of famer coach, then that’s going to be a hard ask. But the very best teams? Flexibility and adaptation and players you don’t expect doing things you wouldn’t believe.

Jethro Tull

Also, Ethan Bear is fast becoming my favorite prospect.

Brantford Boy

Again, I like the Rattie signing…

I looked at your line combos and this popped into my rather small brain… I suppose Slepyshev/Puljujarvi could interchange… oh that 2nd line… monsters on ice… I also like the vet Jokinen playing with Nuge.

Maroon—McDavid—Strome
Lucic—Drasiatil—Kassian
Jokinen—Nuge—Slepyshev
Caggiula—Letestu—Puljujarvi
Klefbom—Larsson
Russell-Benning
Nurse—Gryba (Fayne)
Talbot (Brossoit)

frjohnk

You missed Kris Russell on your list.

Unless, he blocked you from writing about him.

Dominoiler

russ99:
Klefbom – Larsson: with Sekera gone a while, they’ll need to eat more of the tough minutes, splitting them up hurts our defense, and Benning may not be able to handle the load.

Russell – Benning: Similar to Sekera-Russell last year but can be as or more effective with Russell likely playing better on his natural side. I see Benning as good as a Demers/Franson type.

Nurse – Gryba: Would have preferred the Oilers grabbing a better version of Gryba, he hand grenades the puck too often in our zone, but he’s an adequate defensive shelter for Nurse’s learning curve.

This is how i see it too, thanks for doing all the work of verbalising it.. 🙂

(except I’d take a look at Auvitu as a RD w nurse)

Maroon—McDavid—Strome
Lucic—Drasiatil—Slepyshev
Jokinen—Nuge—Puljujarvi
Caggiula—Letestu—Kassian
Klefbom—Larsson
Russell—Benning
Nurse—Auvitu

Talbot (Brossoit)

McNuge93

Jethro Tull: I was just about to post something similar and I did yesterday.The fact that Lucic didn’t play like we expected seems to have blinkered everyone to the fact that he was on the money last year as far as point production goes.

So if his PP production wasn’t there last season, who replaces it?Jordan wasn’t getting it done, Maroon covered the Lucic role, and Lucic excelled on the PP.Isn’t this the real, true meaning of ‘Balance’?Not when all the players are performing like robots in their allotted tasks and roles, but being able to pick up the slack in when others are faltering?

It would be nice to say “well, Ebs got X pts on the PP last year, so we’ll pencil him in for that again,” however, now teams are watching for that little mid-slot pop up that Ebs used to do and guard against it.So change tack.

There have been certain teams that play by rote, and been very good, the Lidstrom Wings, and other teams see their success and wish to emulate, which is strange, because unless you have a hall of famer D with a hall of famer coach, then that’s going to be a hard ask.But the very best teams?Flexibility and adaptation and players you don’t expect doing things you wouldn’t believe.

Yes, it had been many years since we had a presence around the crease on the PP like Lucic (Smytty) He is an immoveable object. It really added a new dimension to the PP. Now if we could just get some point shots through.

Dominoiler

Brantford Boy,

Yeah, that right side is so interchangeable, none of these options are well established.. except kassian, imo, whom most of us can’t seem to find a role higher then the fourth line.. I’d like to see him hold down a third line role w nuge / new 3rd C, but we’ll see..

Ducey

Ah, LT, you forgot one.

Here, I will write it for you.

Oct 7, 2016 Kris Russell: A training camp invite, who signed a value deal. He was part of the solidification of the defense and in particular, part of Chiarelli’s massive overhaul of right defense. Corsi hates him, as do I (apparently) but limits high danger scoring chances by blocking shots.

dustrock

russ99:
Klefbom – Larsson: with Sekera gone a while, they’ll need to eat more of the tough minutes, splitting them up hurts our defense, and Benning may not be able to handle the load.

Yeah, after the playoff performance, I wonder if T-Mac is going to play Klef-Lars 25 minutes/game until Sekera is ready ha ha ha.

But yeah.

Silver Streak

somewhere in the rear portion of my small brain I continue to see Nuge waving goodby wearing a Habs sweater……

Brantford Boy

Silver Streak:
somewhere in the rear portion of my small brain I continue to see Nuge waving goodby wearing a Habs sweater……

Tabarnak!!!

106 and 106

Name-Name-Name
Name-Name-Name
Name-Name-Name
Name-Name-Name

Some Guy-Some Guy
Some Guy-Some Guy
Some Guy-Some Guy

The McBlender will make all of your predictions right and all of your predictions wrong.

By the 2nd period of Game 1.

OriginalPouzar

I am very hopeful for Russell to be a more efficient puck mover as a LD this season (or for a part of it).

I don’t think they will split the Swedes to start the year but will have Benning pencilled in as 2RD with Russell at 2LD leaving some chaos with the Nurse/Gryba pairing.

If that doesn’t work for whatever reason (Benning sinks up the lineup or too much chaos on the 3rd pairing), then they will think about splitting the Swedes.

In my opinion, Russell should not play top pairing minutes on the right side – if we need to split the Swedes and put Russell up the lineup then he needs to be on the left side but paired with Larsson they might have trouble moving the puck.

GCW_69

Silver Streak:
somewhere in the rear portion of my small brain I continue to see Nuge waving goodby wearing a Habs sweater……

2nd and a conditional 5th in return?

Spengler

While there weren’t any big name signings this year, one thing I really liked was the use of the Condors balance sheet to make bets on guys who could contribute. I’ve long felt, and argued, that there is a missed opportunity, in a salary capped league, when teams try to save money on their AHL teams.

This isn’t a comment on the players signed, as I don’t know enough about any of them. But I do like the process that seems to have lead to them being signed. Of course it could just be a random occurrence that I’ve attempted to squeeze into a narrative. But isn’t that what the internet is for?

anonymous

I think you missed a big point in this analysis. Chia is way to easy on the no movement and no trade clauses. To me, that’s the big problem.

Jethro Tull

Lowetide: Bah, new I forgot someone and I thank you. Have corrected and used mostly your words! Thanks!

Shouldn’t Russell be on this year’s FA signing list as well?

“FA signing Russell was a player on the Edmonton Oilers, an Ice Hockey team in the National Hockey League. He was signed to a contract 2yrs too long and 2mill too much for some people for giving the puck to the opposition then being prepared to block the subsequent shot from the opposition with his face/crotch. Good in the room and sky high gritensity/60.”

Scungilli Slushy

Jethro Tull: I was just about to post something similar and I did yesterday.The fact that Lucic didn’t play like we expected seems to have blinkered everyone to the fact that he was on the money last year as far as point production goes.

So if his PP production wasn’t there last season, who replaces it?Jordan wasn’t getting it done, Maroon covered the Lucic role, and Lucic excelled on the PP.Isn’t this the real, true meaning of ‘Balance’?Not when all the players are performing like robots in their allotted tasks and roles, but being able to pick up the slack in when others are faltering?

It would be nice to say “well, Ebs got X pts on the PP last year, so we’ll pencil him in for that again,” however, now teams are watching for that little mid-slot pop up that Ebs used to do and guard against it.So change tack.

There have been certain teams that play by rote, and been very good, the Lidstrom Wings, and other teams see their success and wish to emulate, which is strange, because unless you have a hall of famer D with a hall of famer coach, then that’s going to be a hard ask.But the very best teams?Flexibility and adaptation and players you don’t expect doing things you wouldn’t believe.

Great points. Another way to say it is you have to find a way to contribute. Players slump, and as you said they also are defended against specifically if they find a niche that really works. But a player has to contribute somehow, including being aggressive physically if nothing else is working.

The guys that at least did ‘something’ are still around.

Bruce McCurdy

Jethro Tull: Shouldn’t Russell be on this year’s FA signing list as well?

“FA signing Russell was a player on the Edmonton Oilers, an Ice Hockey team in the National Hockey League.He was signed to a contract 2yrs too long and 2mill too much for some people for giving the puck to the opposition then being prepared to block the subsequent shot from the opposition with his face/crotch.Good in the room and sky high gritensity/60.”

Russell’s second contract was technically an extension, and was signed while the Oilers held his rights.

I would argue Gryba’s second Oilers’ contract, signed last October, was done as a true UFA which he had been all summer by then.

godot10

Nurse, Larsson
Klefbom, Benning
X, Y (probably, Russell, Gryba)

until Sekera gets back.

Jethro Tull

Bruce McCurdy: Russell’s second contract was technically an extension, and was signed while the Oilers held his rights.

I would argue Gryba’s second Oilers’ contract, signed last October, was done as a true UFA which he had been all summer by then.

Thanks for the clarification, Bruce, it’s a little grey given that although the Oilers still have his rights, he could have gone anywhere.

I mean, who trades for an impending UFA? *cough Nikitin cough*

Pop Trivia: Who was NN trade for to the CBJ?

Scungilli Slushy

Jethro Tull: Thanks for the clarification, Bruce, it’s a little grey given that although the Oilers still have his rights, he could have gone anywhere.

I mean, who trades for an impending UFA? *cough Nikitin cough*

Pop Trivia:Who was NN trade for to the CBJ?

Kurt Rusell.

jtblack

“but Puck IQ shows him as a good defender.” – This is interesting. It seems I usually read Russell ranks poorly thru Analytics. Is PuckIQ ysung different metrics? Obviously PC and TMac value Russell.

Side

Taylor Hall.

misfit

I don’t really care for the projected forward lines (I dislike both Nuge at RW and Strome at C), but agree whole heartedly in splitting up Klefbom and Larsson while Sekera is out.

With Sekera in the lineup, we have 3 very good defensive pairings. With him out, we have 1. By putting one of the Swedes on two of the 3 pairings, we should be back to 2.

Georges

Lucic’s points per game:

0.61 (career)
0.61 (career prior to 2016-17)
0.61 (2016-17)

Last season, Lucic produced hockey widgets at the same rate as he’s done throughout his career. He produced fewer widgets on Tuesdays than he usually does. But he made up for it by producing more widgets on Thursdays. His employer got exactly what he should have expected for widget production out of Lucic.

Scungilli Slushy

Auvitu played the second half of last season in the AHL as far as I can tell and has 25 games in the NHL as a 28 YO entering next season. He’ll be hard pressed to make the roster and I highly doubt he’d play off hand if he did make it.

Bag of Pucks

On the Lucic signing, I would say one aspect that makes it more defensible is Chiarelli’s firsthand knowledge of the player. Pete should have had a good sense of how Milan trains, his injury history and how much gas he’d have left in the tank over the term of the deal. I also suspect Chiarelli and TMac saw a need for a culture change in the room, wanted to give McDavid the C, and felt Lucic would be the perfect leadership mentor in that regard.

If you look at the boxes the player ticks;

* Power forward
* Cup winner
* Consistent EV scorer
* Enforcer
* 28 years old at time of FA signing (i.e. prime of career)

In the FA market, you’ll always have to overpay with $ and term for a player with this checklist.

Let’s hope the big man lights it up this season. My take is he plays better angry. Hopefully he brings a bit more of that this season.

I also think a Lucic/Drai/Kassian cycle line could be an absolute matchup nightmare for many teams (particularly in the East).

godot10

Georges:
Lucic’s points per game:

0.61 (career)
0.61 (career prior to 2016-17)
0.61 (2016-17)

Last season, Lucic produced hockey widgets at the same rate as he’s done throughout his career. He produced fewer widgets on Tuesdays than he usually does. But he made up for it by producing more widgets on Thursdays. His employer got exactly what he should have expected for widget production out of Lucic.

All widgets are not of equal value. Widgets produced on Tuesday are more valuable, and more indicative the current performance level.

digger50

russ99:
Lucic had an OK year, and considering how he was put on a line with the no-cycle twins (Eberle and RNH) I thought he did pretty well, and had reasonable boxcars.

Not to mention his steadying veteran influence in the room and able to physically take care of players who were headhunting our kids.

If he has linemates (Leon, Strome, Slepyshev) better suited to his game– which is not parking in the crease, contrary to current opinion –and better conditioning this year akin to what Maroon did last summer, we’ll be happy with the signing.

I give lots of credi to Lucic for his veteran presence and physical play, but just want to expand on these thoughts.

In regards to Lucic preventing headhunting, I think Marroon. Kassian and Gryba brought a lot more to the table. I remember only two games where Lucic was an actually physical deterant, and that was when he was playing pissed off.

Still like the physical Looch, just think he gets too much credit for this so we can factor it into his contract value.

Gryba physically hurts the most opponents but does not get the same credit. Nor is it factored in to Kassian or Marroons contracts.

Add Nurse to this conversation as well. So far he has come across as a rookie trying to prove himself (physically) I think this year he becomes a true force.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

godot10,

Last time i checked Lord Stanley’s Cup doesn’t give a rats behind if you score the game 7 winner in overtime on a PP, shorthanded or 5v5. All goals are equal in the end.

Here’s a video of Lucic’s offseaon training buddy destroying Kris Letang’s ankles in an agility drill

https://www.instagram.com/p/BW_Lq9Chu4D/

I’m not that worried about Milan Lucic, you don’t train with a former NFL All-Star WR to work on your strength and leadership qualities, he knows where his weakness was last year and it appears that he took a very direct route to try and rectify it.

frjohnk

Georges:
Lucic’s points per game:

0.61 (career)
0.61 (career prior to 2016-17)
0.61 (2016-17)

Last season, Lucic produced hockey widgets at the same rate as he’s done throughout his career. He produced fewer widgets on Tuesdays than he usually does. But he made up for it by producing more widgets on Thursdays. His employer got exactly what he should have expected for widget production out of Lucic.

While playing with McDavid may have boosted the amount of widgets Lucic usually produced on a Thursday. His Thursday widget production was at the top of the league. Was last years Thursday widget production an outlier?

On the other hand, Lucic has a pretty good history of producing a nice number of widgets on Tuesday. His Tuesday widget production was in line with what Benoit Pouliot produced. Was last years Tuesday widget production an outlier?

I dont think last years PP production will be replicated and his PP scoring will regress. But, I also believe his 5 on 5 play will be better.

Jethro Tull

Georges:
Lucic’s points per game:

0.61 (career)
0.61 (career prior to 2016-17)
0.61 (2016-17)

Last season, Lucic produced hockey widgets at the same rate as he’s done throughout his career. He produced fewer widgets on Tuesdays than he usually does. But he made up for it by producing more widgets on Thursdays. His employer got exactly what he should have expected for widget production out of Lucic.

Yes, but he produced widgets in a way that i find abhorrent, therefore he is dead to me. Said some Oiler fans. Probably.

John Chambers

Side:
Taylor Hall.

He was the Oilers biggest star since Messier.
The biggest locker room cancer since Corson.
He was ruined by incompetent management.
He doesn’t have enough heart to make it to the post-season.
He’s a river-pusher, goddammit!
His defensive game is to be admonished by the likes of Lars Eller for playing too much like a Junior player.

Please select the a fact / hyperbole from the above list to frame your sentiment regarding Taylor Hall.

Georges

godot10: All widgets are not of equal value.Widgets produced on Tuesday are more valuable, and more indicative the current performance level.

Right, I forgot the memo. Thursday widgets are worth 3/4 of Tuesday widgets because working conditions are so much harder on Tuesdays. Maybe working 0 Tuesday shifts with Eberle next season will help his Tuesday production. After all, when we hired him, Lucic had a pretty good resume. Put up some good numbers for some pretty good firms. But, yeah, next time I’ll make sure I put one of the new cover sheets on my TPS report.

EDIT: All in jest, godot. If that reads hostile, it wasn’t intended.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

Georges,

Absolutely amazing last sentence “clap clap clap”

jtblack

John Chambers,

How about Taylor Hall is a Great hockey player who was traded. This is like many Great Hockey Players who have played for the Oilers. Gretz, Mess, Coffey, Smyth , Pronger, Hemsky, Eberle, etc …… Hall is a well compensated professional athlete. 1 of the risks when a player does not have a NMC, is the risk of being traded. Good Guy, Great Player – Unfortunately he will be plyng his skills on the East Coast for a few years. Oiler Nation wishes him well, as we have past Oilers who have moved on.

jtblack

Avs fail to sign Hobey Baker Winner. They are heading to their own decade of Darkness.

Munny

It’s funny how we give some players a break when shooting percentage drops from their career average and other players have “disappointing” seasons.

If we are not even-handed with stats, the stats movement will self-destruct, killed by its own advocates.

Not only was Lucic’s shooting percentage below career average, so was the percentage of both of his most common linemates.

That he was able to make up the drop in scoring in other ways strikes me as an accomplishment.

Revolved

I also hate that lineup LT.

I think that Russell – Benning may perform surprisingly well with Russell on his strong side.

Why is everyone satisfied with Letestu as our 4C? He is a possession black hole and we have four better centers. Winning the fourth line minutes count like all the rest.

jtblack

Revolved,

“Why is everyone satisfied with Letestu as our 4C?” …. I have to agree with you. I think by year end Letestu may be in and out of the lineup, depending on Injuries.

Georges

frjohnk: While playing with McDavid may have boostedthe amount of widgets Lucic usually produced on a Thursday.His Thursday widget production was at the top of the league.Was last years Thursday widget production an outlier?

On the other hand, Lucic has a pretty good history of producing a nice number of widgets on Tuesday.His Tuesday widget production was in line with what Benoit Pouliot produced.Was last years Tuesday widget production an outlier?

I dont think last years PP production will be replicated and his PP scoring will regress.But, I also believe his 5 on 5 play will be better.

This seems fair.

Bank Shot

digger50: I give lots of credi to Lucic for his veteran presence and physical play, but just want to expand on these thoughts.

In regards to Lucic preventing headhunting, I think Marroon. Kassian and Gryba brought a lot more to the table. I remember only two games where Lucic was an actually physical deterant, and that was when he was playing pissed off.

Gryba and Kassian fall into the same category of player that the Oilers had loads of when the Oilers were getting bullied all over the ice in the dark times. They aren’t on the ice as much as skill guys so they can’t help as much.

Lucic is the only one of those guys that is downright scary. Since 2012, Prout is the only guy he’s lost a fight too. When Lucic dropped them two years ago with Maroon, Maroon just hung on for dear life.

It’s tough to determine if there is any real link between intimidation and reduced headhunting, but if there is a link, Lucic is definitely the number one deterrent on the Oilers and top five in the league.

Professor Q

SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
godot10,

Last time i checked Lord Stanley’s Cup doesn’t give a rats behind if you score the game 7 winner in overtime on a PP, shorthanded or 5v5. All goals are equal in the end.

Here’s a video of Lucic’s offseaon training buddy destroying Kris Letang’s ankles in an agility drill

https://www.instagram.com/p/BW_Lq9Chu4D/

I’m not that worried about Milan Lucic, you don’t train with a former NFL All-Star WR to work on your strength and leadership qualities, he knows where his weakness was last year and it appears that he took a very direct route to try and rectify it.

Maybe Nurse can get McNabb to join in with them as well?

leadfarmer

Revolved:
I also hate that lineup LT.

I think that Russell – Benning may perform surprisingly well with Russell on his strong side.

Why is everyone satisfied with Letestu as our 4C? He is a possession black hole and we have four better centers. Winning the fourth line minutes count like all the rest.

Cause unlike all the other centers he can win a faceoff and all the verbal coming out of the org about the player suggests it’s silly to bet on him to not have the position locked up. And since Chia and TMac don’t listen to any of us here it’s no sense in arguing about it. Hendricks was in the lineup for over a year since the wheels came off although with fewer appearances. Which shows these guys respect these veteran players and they did just use a protection slot on him.