RIESEN TO BELIEVE (FIRST BLUSH)

by Lowetide

A month from now, at the end of August, I’ll write an update on this post. The ‘riesen to believe’ posts are designed to give us an idea about individuals and their chances of making the opening night rosters. Lots of things can happen before then, including college free-agent signings and trades, but today’s post gives us a starting point, a chance to gather up the strays and corral the names. In honor of famous Bulldog Michel Riesen, let’s get this party started.

THE FORWARDS

  1. C Connor McDavid, 20. A gift from the hockey Gods to the true north strong and free, hockey’s future is primed to take it to the limit and then some. Coming October to 20,000 people near you.  100%.
  2. C-R Leon Draisaitl, 21. Leon is not yet signed and we’ll have to wait and see about the money. After that, we’ll have to wait and see about the alignment. Either way, a tower of strength and skill showed us he could dominate during the playoffs. That Leon is going to help this team get to the promised land. 100%. 
  3. L Patrick Maroon, 29. All he’s done since arriving is score goals. He’s heading into a contract year and every goal he scores probably gets him farther from our shores. No choice. Fill your hat, Patrick Maroon. 100%. 
  4. L Milan Lucic, 29. Suspect he’ll arrive with a burr in his saddle and something to prove. He scored 50 points in a year when nothing rhymed 5×5, if he can return to career normals and remain a power-play savant, we could see 60 points. 100%.
  5. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, 24A big season for Nuge, talk of his moving to wing but it seems such a shame to waste his considerable marking skills. Needs a breakout offensive season and hopefully he gets lots of power-play time. 100%.
  6. C-R Ryan Strome, 24. He’ll get plenty of opportunities to show up the Islanders and there’s a long list of players who have done just that thing. Peter Chiarelli made his third risky trade in the summers, this one could work out and give Edmonton a value scorer. 100%.
  7. L Drake Caggiula, 23. The job is there for the taking but we’re all liars if we claim knowledge about the winner. Caggiula will get a chance and his time is now. 100%.
  8. R Zack Kassian, 26. Big man plays the Chiarelli style and posts crooked numbers 5×5. His playoff run showed he has real skill and his new contract should give excellent value. May play inside the top 9F from time to time, wonder if Todd McLellan would try him with Jokinen and Nuge. 100%.
  9. L Jussi Jokinen, 34. The only question I have about him is where he’ll line up every night. Jokinen gives the forward group some excellent options and cover for injuries and Pouliot level slumps. 100%.
  10. RC Mark Letestu, 32. I think his role may be reduced on the power play this season, with Strome or possibly Slepyshev taking some of his time. Letestu can still help out in other areas and his righty faceoffs give the team much needed depth in that area. 100%.
  11. R Anton Slepyshev, 23. He has a lot going for him, including cap hit. Slepyshev showed offensive potential internationally, but last year he stepped forward at the pro level (including playoffs). Outside chance of playing prominent role this season. 90%.
  12. R Jesse Puljujarvi, 19. They are going to give him a shot. What will he do with it? There’s so much natural talent there, getting him settled in at the NHL level would be a major step forward. 90%.
  13. L Jujhar Khaira, 23. The Oilers like his size, speed and grit, with scoring the one worry. That’s the case for basically all of the kids, which could work against him this fall. 69%.
  14. R Iiro Pakarinen, 25. He has many of the same skills as Slepyshev, except in lesser amounts. McLellan likes him and he has a chance. 40%.
  15. LC Brad Malone, 28. Malone can play center, wins faceoffs, penalty kills and it won’t hurt him to sit in the pressbox for long stretches. Edmonton signed him early in free agency, possibly for his ability to slip through waivers and back again. 40%.
  16. R Ty Rattie, 24. Rattie is a goal-scoring option, wonder if the Oilers feel like he could be a hidden gem. Whenever you see a higher pick with skill change organizations, always a good idea to remind ourselves how motivated he’ll be this season. 25%.
  17. L Joey Laleggia, 25. He is a long shot but what he brings is very valuable. If we see him getting some time with the NHLers and extra games in pre-season, we’ll have a story. 15%.
  18. R Mitch Callahan, 25. Consistent AHL performer, he brings skill with some physical play and that combination appeals to the Oilers. He may show very well in camp. 15%.
  19. R Kailer Yamamoto, 18. Electric skills and he can score goals. A small winger, he will impress if given chances. If he is here late in camp, the club may give him nine games. 10%.
  20. C Joe Gambardella, 23. He is not a high end prospect but could emerge as an NHL option (over time, likely a season or two). I’ll give him a slight chance to slide into a useful utility role at the back of the roster. 6%.

THE DEFENSE

  1. L Oscar Klefbom, 24. Klefbom is emerging as a quality NHL defenseman and a key player in this team’s future. He has the full range of skills and looks comfortable with Larsson. 100%.
  2. R Adam Larsson, 24. His first Edmonton season was impressive, as the defense and coverage improved with him on the ice. Showed ability to make solid outlet passes and to jump into the play at times. 100%.
  3. L Andrej Sekera, 31. His absence for the first portion of the season will have a major impact on this team’s fortunes. Losing a defender from the top of the pile is something this Oilers team cannot afford. 0.
  4. L Kris Russell, 30. Todd McLellan values him highly, the Woodmoney tells us what he does well defending but the overall stats tell us he defends too much. Key item for me: Russell keeps the youngsters farther down the depth chart until ready, that may well be his biggest contribution. 100%.
  5. R Matt Benning, 23. He’s a smart player, good-to-excellent with the puck and cool as a cucumber in pressure situations. If he does it again, I’m calling him Dan Boyle. 100%.
  6. L Darnell Nurse, 22. Big, strong, fleet and with a substantial mean streak. Nurse improved a lot year over year, can he do it again? The truth is the Oilers badly need him to blossom in year three of his pro career. 100%.
  7. R Eric Gryba, 29. Played 40 games as 7D last season, saw action in three playoff games. I think he’ll be in the mix for regular third-pairing activity but may not hold that job. As of now, he is a lock for the roster. 100%.
  8. L Yohann Auvitu, 27. New signing gives the team a much needed addition to the mobile passers on the roster. I don’t think he’s a lock for the roster but he has a good chance. 50%.
  9. L Ryan Stanton, 27. He appears poised to battle Auvitu for the 7D spot this fall, the edge goes to the player whose skill set best matches the required role. In a way, Stanton is more in competition with Gryba. 40%.
  10. R Mark Fayne, 30. He can defend but his foot speed isn’t great, he does not play a rugged game and the offense is minimal. I don’t think he’ll be on the team. 10%.

THE GOALIES

  1. Cam Talbot, 30. Aside from McDavid, the most important player on the roster. Posted a fantastic season and there’s no reason (injury aside) to doubt his ability to repeat it. 100%.
  2. Laurent Brossoit, 24. I have him pegged for 20 games and if he struggles badly we might see an early-season move. He’s done everything asked, it’s time to see if he can carry the load. 90%.
  3. Nick Ellis, 23. I include him because there’s always a chance someone gets hurt and the Ellis resume is very good. 10%.

THE OUTSIDERS

  1. G Eddie Pasquale. AHL veteran could get some NHL time.
  2. G Shane Starrett. Another college goalie turning pro. Strong resume.
  3. G Dylan WellsSlide rule, he’ll spend one more year in junior.
  4. G Stuart Skinner. He has a solid resume and the Oilers love him.
  5. LD Dillon Simpson. Excellent chance he plays some NHL games this year.
  6. LD Keegan Lowe. Top 4D role in Bakersfield, where does he sit on callup list?
  7. LD Ziyat Paigin. The verbal coming out on him is very strong.
  8. LD Ben Betker. Big man should get a full AHL season.
  9. RD Ethan Bear. A player to watch in Bakersfield, could get NHL cup of coffee.
  10. LD Caleb Jones. Fastest and most mobile of the new pro defensemen.
  11. RD Ryan Mantha. Big man, big shot, good speed. Duplicates Bear’s skill set.
  12. LD Dmitri Samorukov. Intriguing two-way defender.
  13. C Grayson Downing. Skilled center coming off subpar second AHL season.
  14. RC Josh Currie. Back on an AHL deal, he has skill and two-way ability.
  15. RC Kyle Platzer. We’ll know by Christmas if the Oilers have any plan for him.
  16. L Ryan Hamilton. AHL only deal, he’ll get some time with the big club in camp.
  17. L Braden Christoffer. Final year of entry deal coming up.
  18. L Evan Polei. Size and skill (6.02, 227 and 33 WHL goals) are intriguing.
  19. L Tyler Benson. Slide rule, may get some pre-season games if healthy.
  20. L Ostap Safin. Size, speed and skill. First Oilers camp on the way.
  21. R Zach O’Brien. May end up being an important player for the Condors.
  22. R Patrick Russell. Scored only 8 times as rookie pro. Needs to fill the net this year.
  23. R Greg Chase. Final year of entry-level deal ahead, has shown only flashes.
  24. R Brian Ferlin. Effective when healthy. Has had substantial injury issues.
  25. R Dave Gust. Small skill winger. AHL deal.
  26. R Chad Butcher. AHL deal, skilled RW played in Medicine Hat 2011-17.
  27. R Kirill Maksimov. High risk skill winger has some real skill.

CAP CRUNCH

Over at Oilers Nation last night I had a (very early) look at the 2018 summer cap situation. It is not good.

KAILER YAMAMOTO

One thing to watch for this fall is how much playing time Yamamoto gets during training camp and preseason. He is extremely unlikely to make the team, Todd McLellan has to find out about Jesse Puljujarvi, Drake Caggiula and Anton Slepyshev. However, as I have mentioned before, Yamamoto clearly thinks the game at a high level and has elite puck skills. He’s going to find kindred spirits at the top of Edmonton’s depth chart—if he gets the opportunity—and he’s not that much younger than Jesse Puljujarvi.

JESSE PULJUJARVI

Everything about PC’s summer activity tells me the organization is going to give JP his 500 at-bats. The only question is where he lands on the depth chart. In staring at things for a long time, I’ve come to the conclusion that the ideal place to start is on a soft minutes No. 3 line with Jussi Jokinen and Ryan Strome. If that line can cash, the Oilers should be able to put together three lines that can push possession and score enough at evens to push for the Pacific Division crown. JP is going to get the push, starting October.

 

 

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BornInAGretzkyJersey

godot10,

I still think Chiarelli has given himself a window of opportunity to trade the player at the time.

defmn

I read a lot of comments about how Russel’s $4 million cap hit is going to put this team in cap hell. I don’t think that is quite right.

It is McDavid’s $12.5 million cap hit that is the reason for the Oilers facing cap problems for the duration of his contract.

And this is not me saying he doesn’t deserve the money. I am not saying Chiarelli did a bad job. I am not saying he isn’t worth the contract or that he won’t earn it.

I am saying that the reason there is so much talk about how the Oilers are about to have to find value contracts and can’t participate in high end UFA signings etc. is because McDavid is taking up such a large percentage of the cap.

If people want to say that Russel isn’t worth $4 million that is one thing and a different discussion but it isn’t the reason why the Oilers are headed into cap trouble. That distinction belongs to McDavid’s contract.

defmn

The fourth year of Russel’s contract has a $1 million signing bonus with a $2.5 million salary. The bonus must be paid in the summer before the season begins which means that if Russel is traded that summer the acquiring team will be saddled with the $4 million cap hit but only pay $1.5 million in salary. I would say that makes the contract tradeable if his play doesn’t totally deteriorate.

godot10

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
godot10,

The NMC transitions to a modified NTC for the last two years.

CLAUSE DETAILS:
2019-20: Player submits a 10 team trade list.
2020-21: Player submits a 15 team trade list.

CLAUSE SOURCE: https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kris-russell

So it would appear it was designed to make him a tradeable asset in the last two years.Particularly to a team looking to take on cap space and a veteran player.IE teams with an internal budget or younger roster, like Arizona and Carolina or Winnipeg.

(edited for grammar)

It is easy to find 15 teams who cannot afford you under the cap, and put only them on the teams you will consent to be traded to.

It is a four year NMC UNLESS you assume Russell is a moron. I assume he is an intelligent human being.

Yegfoundation

Lowetide: I thought Nuge was effective in the playoffs. Eye of the beholder, I guess.

I don’t think his performance matches your perception of him and I wonder if you’re able to accept that he’s not a player that needs to be on the roster.

OriginalPouzar

Thinker:
Honestly though, if you had 3 good lines and nobodies on your fourth line, would the 5 min they play hurt you?

1) those nobody’s move up the lineup when there are injuries

2) that’s too much ice for the top 3 lines – we don’t really want most forwards over 20 minutes, even McDavid. McDavid at 20-21 is probably good although he’s likely to see more PK time this year.

OriginalPouzar

Scungilli Slushy:
Things can work, with marquee players getting big contracts I assume role players will get less. Contract term in parentheses.

Jokinen (1) 1.25 McD (8) 12.5 Strome (4) 3
Lucic (5) 6 Drai (8) 8 Slepy (2) 1.75
Cagguila (2) 1.5 Nuge (3) 6 JP (1) .925
Khaira (1) .675 Letestu (2)1 Kassian (2) 1.95
Malone (1) .650 Pak (1) .800

Sekera (3) 5.5 Larsson (3) 4.167
Klefbom (5) 4.167 Benning (2) 1.75
Nurse (2) 1.75 Russell (3) 4
Gryba (1) .900

Talbot (1) 4.167
Broissoit (2) .850

Roster 23, Cap 77M Bonuses 2.5M Space 2.4M

Its nice in theory that role players will take less but in reality, if we can’t afford to keep them, they will go elsewhere – ala Maroon next year.

I think some of you numbers are simplly a little low.

If Jokinen performs in a manner where we want to re-sign him, he will almost undoubtedly be getting more than $1.25.

Strome will likely not lock in at a fairly low number of $3M for four years unless his scoring doesn’t come back and, if his scoring doesn’t come back, we won’t want to sign him for four years.

Caggulia and Slepy at each under $2M presumes they have similar years this year than last and that would be a disappointment.

OriginalPouzar

Yegfoundation: I’m pretty certain we can win without the Nuge. As evidence, I submit the 2017 playoffs where he had 1 whole point in 13 games. Pretty sure.

I submit his TOI against against elites in the regular season and, although I haven’t seen the numbers, I assume the playoffs.

Points are only part of his game – yes, he needs to produce more to “earn” his cap hit but his 1 point in 13 games does not mean he did not play a material role.

Gayfish

Honestly though, if you had 3 good lines and nobodies on your fourth line, would the 5 min they play hurt you?

Gayfish

Tricky thing with the Draisaitl contract is that we’re buying high.

Scungilli Slushy

Things can work, with marquee players getting big contracts I assume role players will get less. Contract term in parentheses.

Jokinen (1) 1.25 McD (8) 12.5 Strome (4) 3
Lucic (5) 6 Drai (8) 8 Slepy (2) 1.75
Cagguila (2) 1.5 Nuge (3) 6 JP (1) .925
Khaira (1) .675 Letestu (2) 1 Kassian (2) 1.95
Malone (1) .650 Pak (1) .800

Sekera (3) 5.5 Larsson (3) 4.167
Klefbom (5) 4.167 Benning (2) 1.75
Nurse (2) 1.75 Russell (3) 4
Gryba (1) .900

Talbot (1) 4.167
Broissoit (2) .850

Roster 23, Cap 77M Bonuses 2.5M Space 2.4M

john

Boyle is a fascinating comparable for Benning: CJHL, unfancied at the draft (Boyle wasn’t even taken, although he was small at the time), college hockey, NHL at 22.. He only “arrived” when he was 26, placing 5th in points among defensemen league-wide. Let’s hope Benning can shave a year off that, and LT’s crystal balls will be worth their weight in goals!

Yegfoundation

Lowetide: If they trade Nuge for picks, then they can get everyone in (imo). Just a terrible way to do it though.

I’m pretty certain we can win without the Nuge. As evidence, I submit the 2017 playoffs where he had 1 whole point in 13 games. Pretty sure.

blainer

Georges:
I get why you’d turn on a player that has bad on-ice results. I don’t get why you’d go after a player that has good on-ice results.

The thinking on Russell and what happens when Russell is on the ice are out of synch. Shouldn’t you wait until Russell has the stats of a bad player before tossing him into the bad player bin? If Sekera holds Russell up, how to explain Sekera’s 2015-16 stats where he held nobody up? Sekera’s greatness with the Oilers couldn’t be seen until Russell and Benning were on the roster. Maybe Russell made Sekera better too.

Over the past 3 seasons, Russell is 35th among defensemen in TOI/GP and 51st in total TOI. Why can’t his coaches see how bad he is and stop playing him at a top pairing rate?

What if Russell delivers on average $4M worth of defenseman value over the 4 years of his contract? That’s, what, maybe averaging 20 minutes per game and playing 70 or more games per season…? Is that still a bad contract?

Rooting against Russell seems to be a way of life. No thanks.

+1

OriginalPouzar

leadfarmer: Because you pretty much spent his ELC in the AHL except for the following year.He was considered a top notch prospect on draft day.If he’s not ready to play next year can you still consider him a top notch prospect?Your making it sound like I want to give him away, while in reality I’d expect a top notch prospect in return

He’s 19 – if he doesn’t make the team out of camp, that’s still fine.

I’m fine with his ELC being used in the AHL – he’s developing and this will lead to a cheap second contract when he’s ready to perform in the NHL.

Gerta Rauss

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
godot10,

The NMC transitions to a modified NTC for the last two years.

CLAUSE DETAILS:
2019-20: Player submits a 10 team trade list.
2020-21: Player submits a 15 team trade list.

CLAUSE SOURCE: https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kris-russell

So it would appear it was designed to make him a tradeable asset in the last two years.Particularly to a team looking to take on cap space and a veteran player.IE teams with an internal budget or younger roster, like Arizona and Carolina or Winnipeg.

(edited for grammar)

I’ll save Godot the typing by saying the NMC is in effect the full 4 years-he can’t be buried in the AHL or he can’t be exposed in another expansion draft (should it occur)

The NTC overlays the NMC…so yes, he can be moved in year 3 or 4, provided Chia has the opportunity/desire to move him

Gerta Rauss

The nadir for me was Mactavish’s comments at/near the end of the 2015 season-I’m reasonably comfortable going forward with Oscar and Justin and Nikita and Andrew and Mark Fayne – and then he followed that up by stating the following season was going to be another development year

It had become crystal clear to everyone that one of the marquee forwards was going to have to be moved to acquire a high end D-clear to everyone except (apparently) the management of the Edmonton Oilers

And then a couple weeks later the clouds broke and the sun appeared

Georges

I get why you’d turn on a player that has bad on-ice results. I don’t get why you’d go after a player that has good on-ice results.

The thinking on Russell and what happens when Russell is on the ice are out of synch. Shouldn’t you wait until Russell has the stats of a bad player before tossing him into the bad player bin? If Sekera holds Russell up, how to explain Sekera’s 2015-16 stats where he held nobody up? Sekera’s greatness with the Oilers couldn’t be seen until Russell and Benning were on the roster. Maybe Russell made Sekera better too.

Over the past 3 seasons, Russell is 35th among defensemen in TOI/GP and 51st in total TOI. Why can’t his coaches see how bad he is and stop playing him at a top pairing rate?

What if Russell delivers on average $4M worth of defenseman value over the 4 years of his contract? That’s, what, maybe averaging 20 minutes per game and playing 70 or more games per season…? Is that still a bad contract?

Rooting against Russell seems to be a way of life. No thanks.

GCW_69

Read your piece on ON. This is certainly when the Russell contract starts to bite them in the ass.

It is most likely that the “plan” either had Nurse pushing Sekera off the roster, or pushing him over to the right side. The Russell signing suggests its not the latter, which means they are planning to keep Russell over Sekera or they see Nurse taking a longer path. Neither is good for the Oilers.

I suspect that Chiarelli will be forced to play hardball with Nurse and Benning, and I expect them both to get 1 or 2 year deals and lower dollars. If you make the assumption that Chiarelli plays hardball with Leon and signs him to RFA years only (say 5 yrs and $6M or $6.5M) then I think you can make the roster work. Leon at $8 almost guaranteed pushes Nuge or Sekera off the roster.

If you make the following deals though, it could work:
1) Leon $6.5M for 5 years
2) Strome $3.5M for 2 years
3) Maroon $3.5M for 3 years
4) Derek Ryan or equivalent for 1 year $700K
5) Slepyshev for 1 year at $1.3M or less
6) Nurse $2M for 1 year
7) Benning $1.75M for 1 year
8) Boissoit $1M for 2 years.

From Arm Chair GM:

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

FORWARDS (12)
Right wing: R. Nugent-Hopkins ($6,000,000) – Z. Kassian ($1,950,000) – J. Puljujarvi ($925,000) – A. Slepyshev ($1,300,000)
Centre: C. McDavid ($12,500,000) – L. Draisaitl ($6,500,000) – R. Strome ($3,500,000) – D. Ryan ($700,000)
Left wing: P. Maroon ($3,500,000) – M. Lucic ($6,000,000)D. Caggiula ($1,250,000) – J. Khaira ($675,000)

DEFENSE (7)
Right: A. Larsson ($4,166,667) – K. Russell ($4,000,000) – M. Benning ($1,750,000) – E. Gryba ($900,000)
Left: O. Klefbom ($4,167,000) – A. Sekera ($5,500,000) – D. Nurse ($2,000,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
C. Talbot ($4,166,667) – L. Brossoit ($1,000,000)

BUYOUTS
B. Pouliot ($1,333,333)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 21
NHL Salary Cap: $75,000,000
Cap Hit: $73,783,667
Cap Space: $1,216,333

There is some big assumptions there – that you can get Maroon for $3.5M (if he wants more, I think I would walk away). It means the Oilers playing hardball with RFAs like Drake, Nurse, Benning and Slepy, and that the Oilers pretty much keeping Nurse and Benning on the third pair for the last half of the season, pushing down their value. If one of them has a break out season (clear top 4) and needs to be paid as such, I think we are looking at the Oilers asking Sekera to waive his NMC.

Because this can work, I think the Oilers should not buy FA years on Leon’s contract. Position themselves best to win over the next 5 years, and then pay the piper when Leon’s deal ends. The reality is most big stars stay put, so the “OMG, Leon could leave” argument doesn’t bother me much.

The following year, 2019/20, the Oilers need to be pushing Sekera, Russell or both off the roster to fund re-signing JP, Nurse and Benning.

Fire away!

leadfarmer

OriginalPouzar: Why would they want to consider trading him?

With our cap structure, the most important thing for this team going forward is a steady stream of young prospect wingers to come in and replace the more veteran wingers that price themselves out of Edmonton.

In the next few years, we will be relying on players like JP, Yamamoto, Benson, etc. to come in and replace guys like Slep/Drake who themselves are replacing guys like Maroon and Nuge and Strome, etc.

Because you pretty much spent his ELC in the AHL except for the following year. He was considered a top notch prospect on draft day. If he’s not ready to play next year can you still consider him a top notch prospect? Your making it sound like I want to give him away, while in reality I’d expect a top notch prospect in return

OriginalPouzar

leadfarmer:
I’m sure Puljujarvi is going to get a push.They want the kid to succeed.If he’s not ready to might want to consider trading him.

Why would they want to consider trading him?

With our cap structure, the most important thing for this team going forward is a steady stream of young prospect wingers to come in and replace the more veteran wingers that price themselves out of Edmonton.

In the next few years, we will be relying on players like JP, Yamamoto, Benson, etc. to come in and replace guys like Slep/Drake who themselves are replacing guys like Maroon and Nuge and Strome, etc.

OriginalPouzar

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
godot10,

The NMC transitions to a modified NTC for the last two years.

CLAUSE DETAILS:
2019-20: Player submits a 10 team trade list.
2020-21: Player submits a 15 team trade list.

CLAUSE SOURCE: https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kris-russell

So it would appear it was designed to make him a tradeable asset in the last two years.Particularly to a team looking to take on cap space and a veteran player.IE teams with an internal budget or younger roster, like Arizona and Carolina or Winnipeg.

(edited for grammar)

Internal budget teams are likely weaker teams that Russell isn’t going to submit on his trade list – I would think.

There have been many excuses made for this contract – that its tradeable in the last few years. To me, signing a contract with the full knowledge that its too much money for too long and there will likely be a need to try and dispose of it means its a bad contract no matter the hole left in the lineup by letting the player walk.

blainer

I really like Benning …. but…

He was actually a healthy scratch in favor of Gryba quite a bit and almost right up to the last few games.

I hope he isn’t getting over confident and is working his ass off in the off season.

At this time last year a lot of us were penciling Davidson in the top four. That should give us all a reminder of how things change in season.

We really need Benning coming into camp understanding he is competing for his job. Same with Nurse.

leadfarmer

I’m sure Puljujarvi is going to get a push. They want the kid to succeed. If he’s not ready to might want to consider trading him.

Professor Q

LMHF#1: Nylander backed out. Vanek really wanted to play in Alberta and supposedly cried he was so upset when Buffalo matched.

Hmm, that’s almost exactly what I said…

BornInAGretzkyJersey

godot10,

The NMC transitions to a modified NTC for the last two years.

CLAUSE DETAILS:
2019-20: Player submits a 10 team trade list.
2020-21: Player submits a 15 team trade list.

CLAUSE SOURCE: https://www.capfriendly.com/players/kris-russell

So it would appear it was designed to make him a tradeable asset in the last two years. Particularly to a team looking to take on cap space and a veteran player. IE teams with an internal budget or younger roster, like Arizona and Carolina or Winnipeg.

(edited for grammar)

Georges

I wasn’t hardcore enough to watch regularly during the dark years. I saw just enough to not want to see anymore.

But I did watch religiously in CMD’s first season. The injury was an awful gut punch. But the Hall-Drai show was nice to watch while CMD was out… and encouraging.

The nadir for me had to be the stretch of games after CMD got back. No miraculous run in the back stretch. No somewhat competitive run in the back stretch. The same, same old.

Add generational player. Same bottom of the standings result. Maybe it doesn’t get better.

Thank goodness that changed…

LMHF#1

Professor Q: And not to mention the Vanek, Jagr, and (I forget who it was, but I think he was a moderately sought-after FA, a bit older, possibly bald, etc.) signing fiascos. Promising to sign with Edmonton then backing out last minute (or was Vanek’s the offer sheet ordeal?).

EDIT:

Was it Michael Nylander? Hmmm. And now his kids will probably battle us again being on Toronto and Buffalo.

Nylander backed out. Vanek really wanted to play in Alberta and supposedly cried he was so upset when Buffalo matched.

speeds

godot10: A bridge deal for Draisaitl doesn’t help.It is a false savings, and will only lead to another dumb contract like Russell’s, and having to pay Draisaitl $11 million in two years instead of $8.5 million long term.

Why is it more reasonable to assume he’s going to sign for 11M in 2 years (a cap number that right now no one else has, outside McDavid who doesn’t start for a year) than, say, 8M, if he spends the next 2 years on a bridge deal exclusively playing C?

leadfarmer

Nuclear leak: Better then Methot! You’ve gosh darn lost your damn mind.

4yrs, 4million, no trade clause with a list… didn’t Oduya sign for pennies in Ottawa..

Russell contract will cost the Oilers one of Sekera,Benning, or Nurse. Those are much nice vacuums

36 year old Johnnie Oduya is done. It’s like saying why didn’t we sign Hendricks to an extension last year. There’s a reason he signed that contract

Bank Shot

Glass:
Trading Nuge is inevitable, and I don’t mind doing it for picks. 2018 is supposed to be a strong draft year.

Barzal would be an interesting target. He is a RHC with top 6 skill while also being reliable enough defensively to project as a 3C. The Islanders have been looking for a top 6 center for a while, so I figure this is a possibility. In addition to Barzal, I imagine we’d get a high pick and a middling pick (4th/5th).

Maybe not this season, but for sure the season after I’d expect him to be an NHL regular. We don’t really have any other great C prospects in the system, most of them project to be checking centers.

Would be great to have Barzal and Bear back on the same PP unit, we’d be set on both powerplays.

No thanks to Barzal. He can’t score goals in juniors.

Glass

Trading Nuge is inevitable, and I don’t mind doing it for picks. 2018 is supposed to be a strong draft year.

Barzal would be an interesting target. He is a RHC with top 6 skill while also being reliable enough defensively to project as a 3C. The Islanders have been looking for a top 6 center for a while, so I figure this is a possibility. In addition to Barzal, I imagine we’d get a high pick and a middling pick (4th/5th).

Maybe not this season, but for sure the season after I’d expect him to be an NHL regular. We don’t really have any other great C prospects in the system, most of them project to be checking centers.

Would be great to have Barzal and Bear back on the same PP unit, we’d be set on both powerplays.

Professor Q

Bruce McCurdy:
Professor Q,

Also: Dany Heatley says hi.

It really was a bad period. I’m glad that I’ve forgotten a lot and we’ve moved on…

stush18

Bruce McCurdy: The whole team was revolting!

*baduum Tisssh!*

Thank you, I’ll be here all night!

Bruce McCurdy

Professor Q,

Also: Dany Heatley says hi.

Professor Q

Bag of Pucks:
Professor Q,

That’s the thing about the OBC: the Comrie salary giveback request costing Corey Perry, Penner offer sheet, Skypegate, Pronger breakup, coaching carousel, 2nd tier fans, Dubnyk diss, Souray in the A, etc.

There’s so MANY nadirs to choose from. When it came to sheer ineptitude, ‘they were gold Jerry, gold!’

And not to mention the Vanek, Jagr, and (I forget who it was, but I think he was a moderately sought-after FA, a bit older, possibly bald, etc.) signing fiascos. Promising to sign with Edmonton then backing out last minute (or was Vanek’s the offer sheet ordeal?).

EDIT:

Was it Michael Nylander? Hmmm. And now his kids will probably battle us again being on Toronto and Buffalo.

OriginalPouzar

Nuclear leak:
Trading Perron wasn’t necessary, it was a shame.

Came from outside the org and actually gave shit about what was happening in the ice and wasn’t the type to keep his lips shut about it.

He’d fit right in with this current crew of players, maybe a 1yr deal next summer as a cheap winger. Gonna need about 14 of them lol.

Agree that he didn’t keep his lips shut about it – unfortunately, after spouting off and throwing his teammates under the bus for lazy play he did the exact same thing himself the very next game – I remember it clearly, absoluteness gave up on a backcheck leading to an important goal against.

Yup, it was a lazy play that many players were making but to do so right after calling out his teammates for the exact same thing – unacceptable!

Professor Q

godot10,

Yeah maybe the NMC was a bit suspect.

Bag of Pucks

Professor Q,

That’s the thing about the OBC: the Comrie salary giveback request costing Corey Perry, Penner offer sheet, Skypegate, Pronger breakup, coaching carousel, 2nd tier fans, Dubnyk diss, Souray in the A, etc.

There’s so MANY nadirs to choose from. When it came to sheer ineptitude, ‘they were gold Jerry, gold!’

Professor Q

Bruce McCurdy,

Praise the Bruce Almighty!

Bruce McCurdy

Bag of Pucks: Pouzar, don’t disagree with anything you’re saying here but in fairness to Perron, why were more players not revolting?

The whole team was revolting!

leadfarmer

godot10: A bridge deal for Draisaitl doesn’t help.It is a false savings, and will only lead to another dumb contract like Russell’s, and having to pay Draisaitl $11 million in two years instead of $8.5 million long term.

The sooner one locks up key core players for duration in a hard cap system the better.Those contracts gain value over time.

The Maroon’s and Strome’s and Russell’s are replaceable.They just don’t matter in the big picture.

Ryan Johansen another #4 overall pick just signed for 1 RFA year and 7 UFA years for 8 million per. There is no way that Draisatls 5 RFA years and 3 UFA years go over that If I’m Chia you push it hard. 7 mil for each of the 5 RFA years and 9 mil per for the 3 UFA years is as high as I would go. 7.75 mil cap hit per if you don’t want to do the math would be my max. Otherwise I would look at a bridge. We can’t afford him at a higher cost either way so either we have him here for a run for the next couple years at a more affordable contract and he’s worth a huge contract and we trade him for a kings ransom but we can’t afford him at 10 mil per now or in the future

godot10

Professor Q:
godot10,

How is Russell’s contract dumb?

It is effectively a 4-year no move contract…so it is too long by three years, and one should never give NMC’s to non-core players, ever.

digger50

In regards to Auvitu, any idea why a team starved for defenceman (Devils) would let him walk?

OilClog

Professor Q: Have you actually looked at how it is structured, though? There are definitely reasons as to why. Russell is definitely much better than Methot and we were in need of someone to fill in for Sekera for the time being.

People think things are zero-sum and in vaccuums…

Better then Methot! You’ve gosh darn lost your damn mind.

4yrs, 4million, no trade clause with a list… didn’t Oduya sign for pennies in Ottawa..

Russell contract will cost the Oilers one of Sekera,Benning, or Nurse. Those are much nice vacuums

Bag of Pucks

Johnny Larue,

If they got off to a poor start, the Ducks could conceivably fire Carlyle and elevate Eakins to HC.

In which case, the Duck would be well and truly fucked.

Professor Q

Bag of Pucks,

Well, if so then well, maybe it was deserved? I mean if I remember correctly he wasn’t the only one who called out players *and* coaches during those years (Hall being one, some of the others as well, if I remember correctly). The Souray fiasco was obviously earlier and messier but still.

To MacT maybe. But I don’t think, personally, it was too drastic. Although I suppose I’m biased because I *really* hate how Kreuger was fired and how Eakins was hired and all of that.