White Line Fever

by Lowetide

You’d think this day would produce a lull in Oilerville. I could write a ‘tracers’ article about some scandalous activity performed by Sam Pollock that ruined the competitive balance of the first dozen years of expansion. You could read it, think to yourself “boy, that guy sure can hold a grudge” and we could spend the day discussing all manner of things. Alas, these are the Edmonton Oilers and there’s always something going on.

MCLELLAN’S LINES

If the Oilers hit the ice today featuring Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl on the same line, I expect this blog will blow up. There’s a sense, three games in, that this team needs the big man in the middle to make things go. If that is the case, allow me to suggest lines and pairings that this blog would prefer.

  • Patrick Maroon—Connor McDavid—Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Milan Lucic—Leon Draisaitl—Anton Slepyshev
  • Jussi Jokinen—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Zack Kassian
  • Drake Caggiula—Mark Letestu—Ryan Strome
  • Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson
  • Yohann Auvitu—Kris Russell
  • Darnell Nurse—Matt Benning
  • Cam Talbot (Laurent Brossoit)

I left out Kailer Yamamoto, Jujhar Khaira, Iiro Pakarinen and Chris Kelly up front, Eric Gryba on the back end. Zero chance this is the lineup in practice today, I am very much looking forward to the lines and pairings this morning.

STEALING HOME

  • Glen Sather, fall 1983“Sammy Pollock used to say all jobs are open in Montreal but who was he kidding? Nobody was going to take Larry Robinson’s job or Guy Lafleur’s. In our camp I refuse to tell the players that. But I’d love it if somebody took a job away from a returning player. If that happened, that would make our team stronger.”

Raimo Summanen scored five points in two games, Pat Conacher hung around all year, but Sather didn’t have anyone who could take a job away from a veteran fall 1983. If you look at the Oilers roster as it stands here today, and identify what would be needed to make it hum right away, it becomes clear just how far from balance this team is right now. Adding to the worry is the great unknown that will be Andrej Sekera on his return. Will he be 100 percent? His injury has a history of lingering and having an impact that lasts one calendar year.

What the Oilers need badly is for Jesse Puljujarvi, Matt Benning and Anton Slepysev to emerge as substantial talents in feature roles. Life doesn’t work like that however, and we are back to the dilemma of summer: How can you find a way to put Leon Draisaitl at 1R and 2C? Answer: You can’t.

JESSE PULJUJARVI

The best answer I can find is a Jesse Puljujarvi recall. Puljujarvi, along with Anton Slepyshev on the 2line with Lucic and Leon, are the best available options (Caggiula is not a superior offensive player to either man, Yamamoto is more talented offensively but probably needs another year) at this time. I’ve suggested a Josh Leivo acquisition and still think there are players on the scrap heap who can help. Edmonton may want to go that route in the coming days. For now, I believe the big Finn, warts and all, should be recalled. Today.

TYLER BENSON

  • Steve Ewen, Vancouver Province: Giants general manager Glen Hanlon had told Sportsnet 650 on Sept. 22 that he expected Benson, the team captain currently rehabbing from off-season sports hernia surgery, would return to the squad during their upcoming six-game Eastern Conference road trip, which starts Friday with a visit to the Swift Current Broncos. On Monday, Hanlon directed questions regarding Benson to the Edmonton Oilers, who used a second-round pick in the 2016 NHL Draft to nab the 6-foot, 190-pound forward. The Oilers signed Benson, an Edmonton native, to a three-year, entry-level deal last December. Source

This sounds like one of two things: Either Benson’s recovery is snail slow, or the Oilers are applying some pressure on the Giants to get their man traded somewhere. This is a vital season for Benson, so he’s going to have to play when ready. The Oilers liked Benson from the start, but it has to be a bitter pill to see Connor McDavid’s former linemate Alex DeBrincat doing so well in the NHL at this time. We wish the best for young Benson, while also acknowledging precious development time has already slipped away.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, a full boat of great guests from across the sports world. TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. Lines and pairings, JP and Kailer, is there an easy fix to the blue?
  • Sean Fleming, Canadian National (Soccer) staff coach. A massive day in World Cup qualifying, we’ll try to comprehend just what happened while Sean explains it.
  • Derek Taylor, TSN. The CFL season is finally starting to make sense but there’s another wild weekend straight ahead.
  • Keegan Matheson, mlb reporter. BoSox looking for a new manager, Nats-Cubs Game Four, Jays summer.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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russ99

LOL, I was thinking about Motörhead, not Merle Haggard. 🙂

CrazyCoach

Kinger_Oil.redux: – If you don’t love it leave, let this song that I’m signing be a warning…

I can hear Roy Nichols plucking that Tele now.

CrazyCoach

Lowetide,

I remembered that 8-track long after out 8-track player bit the dust. I finally managed to hear it again after finding a copy of it on CD at Tower Records in Seattle in the summer of 97. I know it’s only an album, but it feels like a family heirloom to me seeing music was such a strong connection to my dad.

I’m going to Vegas in a month for a cigar show, but this time I’m making a trip into Bakersfield to see Buck Owens Crystal Palace. It’s something my dad always wanted to see, so it just feels like the right thing to do. Sadly, the Condors are on the road at that time, but I finally get to see the house that Buck built.

Cheers

OriginalPouzar

Question: Can Streit be a solid 2RD?

Answer: No!

Analysis: Should not be acquired.

Kinger_Oil.redux

The Concept JDî: Mama Tried! Okie from Muskogee!


Haggard: “Funny you mention that, Johnny.”

– If you don’t love it leave, let this song that I’m signing be a warning…

Kinger_Oil.redux

The Concept JDî: As in, a deep hole with water in it – hopefully fresh water.

As opposed to his defense moves, which was a not so deep hole, filled with shit.

– This made me laugh: my 7 year old son is asking why I laughed!

– Indeed , does he mean a well that is now flooded, like an old well that once gushed a lot of Oil, but now its flooded with water or something?

treevojo

Chachi: Making a Mountain out of a molehill.

Ha!

JD_Wry

CrazyCoach: fave Haggard songs

Mama Tried! Okie from Muskogee!


Haggard: “Funny you mention that, Johnny.”

Cash: “What?”

Haggard: “San Quentin.”

Cash: “Why’s that?”

Haggard: “The first time I ever saw you perform, it was at San Quentin.”

Cash: “I don’t remember you being in that show, Merle.”

Haggard: “I was in the audience, Johnny.”

Chachi

treevojo:
Cassandra,

For a guy that views himself as the “Ser Gregor Clegane” of stats, you sure love to give your opinion.

Making a Mountain out of a molehill.

CrazyCoach

Hey LT,

White Line Fever is one my fave Haggard songs, right up there with “Workin’ Man Blues”. I cut my musical teeth on “Merle Haggard and his Strangers-Live from Muskogee, Oklahoma”. That and JC’s LIfe From Folsom Prison, and Edhar Alvis Owens (you might know him as “Buck”) & The BUckaroos-Live from Carnegie Hall. Seminal albums of my youth and great times with my dad who tolerated my screechy vocals to “Tiger by The Tail”, knowing that one day I’d have a pretty good voice.

Anyway, it’s pretty early to be pushing the panic button here, but as many have said before, there is a definite need at RW that was not addressed this summer. Chia gambled on Strome and Jussi, but so far they seem out of their element. I agree with you in pulling JP up for a game or two.

Something has to happen. The teams looks tentative at best and downright scared the rest of the time.

I hate these lonmg layoffs between games, but I know I can always count on coming here for the good word.

Cheers!

JD_Wry

dustrock:
Streit good on the PP too, no?

Not sure that he’s good on anything right now, other than maybe a chair near a beach with a drink in-hand.

And I think his cap hit stays even if you bury him in Barkersfield, because of his age.

JD_Wry

Kinger_Oil.redux: worked out well

As in, a deep hole with water in it – hopefully fresh water.

As opposed to his defense moves, which was a not so deep hole, filled with shit.

dustrock

Streit good on the PP too, no?

Doug McLachlan

With respect to the D, I think we are all hoping that we can get Sekera back to see where the D really is.

Until then it’s all bailing wire and duck tape.

With that in mind, might I suggest a horrifying idea:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/source-canadiens-trying-trade-defenceman-mark-streit/

RHD, IIRC – though the article says LHD. His PuckIQ numbers with the Flyers were reasonably positive for middle to grittensitiy.

http://www.puckiq.com/players/8468309

treevojo

Cassandra,

For a guy that views himself as the “Ser Gregor Clegane” of stats, you sure love to give your opinion.

Kinger_Oil.redux

The Concept JDî:
All those MacT quotes, together in the same article, is like a gut-punch – 10 inches lowe.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/craig-mactavish-in-his-own-words-on-the-edmonton-oilers-defence

– Great post LT! Really like the discussion thread today actually. Some great insights + thoughts

– JDI: I was honestly going to read this article (as I was never a MacT fan and questioned him all the time), but once I read this first line, I couldn’t:

“Looking back, a lot of MacTavish’s forward additions – Benoit Pouliot, David Perron, Boyd Gordon, Matt Hendricks – worked out well for Edmonton.”

– Not sure in what context this means, but “worked out well” must mean something different to Willis than it does to me…

John Chambers

The Concept JDî,

Imagine if MacT had been able to sign Petry even to a 2-year “challenge”, we could’ve started the ’15-’16 season with a D that looked like:

Sekera – Petry
Klefbom – Schultz
Nurse – Davidson

Chiarelli probably doesn’t feel the urgency to trade for Reinhart as well.

JD_Wry

All those MacT quotes, together in the same article, is like a gut-punch – 10 inches lowe.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/craig-mactavish-in-his-own-words-on-the-edmonton-oilers-defence

godot10

pocession charge: Woodguy and GMoney are doing great work to advance the cause and there is huge value in it.But like you mentioned, it still doesn’t tell the whole picture.DFF is probably my stat of choice at the moment, though.Funny enough, I used to be an ‘only stats’ guy (and used to have huge fights with Gregor about stats vs. eye test — remember Yakupov for Clarkson?) but I’ve tried to balance stats vs visual because there is definitely value to the eye test.

With puck and player tracking, Woodguy and GMoney will be able to greatly improve their shot difficulty model. i.e. as the shot difficulty model improves, DFF as a stat will give better results.

Material Elvis

russ99: I’ve been converted as a eye test only guy to seeing how numbers can help us see what they eye can’t. Mostly from this site.

My issue is that for some of the more vocal analytics fans, all that work done 3-4 years ago is where they stop. Corsi For tells us a lot, especially when used on a team basis, but it doesn’t sum up everything about hockey. There is much more to be gleaned and more advancements to be made, especially once the NHL starts tracking the puck and players.

I don’t completely agree with WoodMoney’s defensive evaluations (Fenwick flat out annoys me, and there are many other nascent shot quality and zone entry/exit defensive metrics who’s validity can be discussed) but it’s solid new work, and especially on the comp side, shines new light on something that was previously hidden. Props guys.

Woodguy and GMoney are doing great work to advance the cause and there is huge value in it. But like you mentioned, it still doesn’t tell the whole picture. DFF is probably my stat of choice at the moment, though. Funny enough, I used to be an ‘only stats’ guy (and used to have huge fights with Gregor about stats vs. eye test — remember Yakupov for Clarkson?) but I’ve tried to balance stats vs visual because there is definitely value to the eye test.

flea

As I watched the Winnipeg game on Sunday, I realized that during the game, Quinn and Remenda talk very little about the actual game. There is literally no in game analysis. They are pulling up canned stuff from prior games that they’ve carefully prepared, a few feel good pieces and that is it. It’s really embarrassing for the Canadian hockey broadcasters that they haven’t come up with a better product in all these years.

It made me shift to thinking about analytics, and what stats would be interesting to see during a game. It also made me think that some of the divide between the analytics community and hockey community is that the hockey guys didn’t come up with the analytics. Casual and dedicated fans built on each others work to create a new way to look at hockey. And I can’t help but think it’s in direct response to the low quality broadcasting that was happening.

Here’s a few things I thought that I’d like to see. I’m a fairly casual fan but I enjoy the analytical work, it teaches me more about the game.

1. Shift changes should be shown graphically somehow, show me who is on the ice. Show when changes are taking place
2. They were ranting and raving about McDavid’s speed on that breakaway in the Calgary game (40km/h!) Hey it’s impressive, that little piece got a lot of attention, and their response is to re run it multiple times. How about you show me players speed and direction in every replay. A player tracer could be really cool to see where the player was on the ice up until a play/goal happened.
3. Shot charts – they used to do this, but how neat would it be to see one overlaid on the actual ice surface, an augmented reality view.

Those are just a couple ideas. I don’t think the MSM will adopt analytics until they invent their own analytics. But their broadcasts are total garbage, and they are all afraid to try things. Put a damn chip in each players sweater, get their heart rates, shot speeds, skating speed, location on ice and start telling me something interesting during the broadcast that actually adds to the game I’m watching!

Material Elvis

VOR:
Digger,

I just want to say that Peter Chiarelli should do exactly nothing.

All the metrics are screaming that the Oilers are an elite hockey team. They outplayed all their opponents to date, got average goaltending, well below average power play production, and average penalty kill performance. The Oilers record in powerplays and in game scores reflects that they have run into a string of hot goaltenders.

Their PDO is well below average at .970. Otherwise at the offensive end they are playing brilliantly (top 3 in underlying metrics). They are better than league average on defence (14th) without Andrej Sekera in the lineup.

Are players making mistakes and doing dumb things and getting caught loafing on the back check? Sure, and a coach has to try and correct those mental errors. However, we wouldn’t be here having this conversation if the Oilers were shooting league average at EVS. Focusing too much on the indivdual trees prevent us from seeing the beautiful lush green forest growing right in front of our eyes.

No changes need to be made, the Oilers’ luck just needs to improve.

A solid post as always VOR. Not sure if the metrics scream elite team or an elite line backed by a decent team. I think it is what LT refers to when he says ‘balance’ — it just isn’t there at this time. Totally agree with you that the team is better than we have seen. Need the power play to get going and Talbot to be the .920 we know he can be.

John Chambers

Cassandra: This is exactly what I am talking about.Staples methodhas been beaten to death here many times, each time with the resounding conclusionthat it is not simply flawed but actively misleading. It is a very good example of the abuse of statistics.And yet, here it is cited as “the best” method.

This is not progress.This is not even having the same conversation over and over again. This is not a revisiting of past assumptions with new reasoning or evidence.We are not learning, we are forgetting.

Who are you referring to exactly?

I can’t really say I experience the same feeling. Thankfully there is a diversity of opinion on this site, but by and large I find people make reasonable points. If they don’t I kinda just stop reading their posts.

It certainly doesn’t make sense to become agitated by people’s POV, no?

russ99

pocession charge: I think it’s a great thing that people are questioning the validity of the numbers.If we blindly follow numbers that act as proxy for something else, analytical mistakes can easily be made.Same goes for the eye test.If a scout/poster says that a player is great or terrible based on a few viewings, it can lead to flawed conclusions.When chip tracking enters the equation, I think that people will be more inclined to take the stats at face value.

I’ve been converted as a eye test only guy to seeing how numbers can help us see what they eye can’t. Mostly from this site. 🙂

My issue is that for some of the more vocal analytics fans, all that work done 3-4 years ago is where they stop. Corsi For tells us a lot, especially when used on a team basis, but it doesn’t sum up everything about hockey. There is much more to be gleaned and more advancements to be made, especially once the NHL starts tracking the puck and players.

I don’t completely agree with WoodMoney’s defensive evaluations (Fenwick flat out annoys me, and there are many other nascent shot quality and zone entry/exit defensive metrics who’s validity can be discussed) but it’s solid new work, and especially on the comp side, shines new light on something that was previously hidden. Props guys.

Material Elvis

Cassandra: This is exactly what I am talking about.Staples methodhas been beaten to death here many times, each time with the resounding conclusionthat it is not simply flawed but actively misleading. It is a very good example of the abuse of statistics.And yet, here it is cited as “the best” method.

This is not progress.This is not even having the same conversation over and over again. This is not a revisiting of past assumptions with new reasoning or evidence.We are not learning, we are forgetting.

Is there really a better method than Staples is currently using? We definitely are aware of the flaws of his analysis (plus it is extremely time consuming to deduce contributions to scoring chances). However, there are notable flaws that exist with other, more popular fancy stats.

John Chambers

Lowetide: I think there’s a lot of truth in what you say. I’ll still bring the advanced stats to each game, but the value I see in these numbers doesn’t appear to permeate the group who come here to read and interact. Quite the change from five years ago. Neither good nor bad, but certainly a change.

You sir should keep doing what you’re doing, in any way you damn well wish, because youre a legend. Thank you for enhancing the experience of being a fan of this team, when it was miserable and when it is joyful.

Corsi is still worth examining. It provides a window, albeit one that demands scrutiny. Plus minus no different.

I think where I truly value your stewardship LT is that emotionally we can’t get too bent out of shape when things ain’t going right, that we shouldn’t become overzealous when it fires on all cylinders, and that we will always be learning and digesting new things that should make us laugh at our former selves for being so foolish.

And the prose. Such rich rich prose.

Material Elvis

Chachi:
McDavidMyMuse,


Now, if you come here and enjoy itgive the donate button a hit,
Otherwise you know you’re a real cheap piece of ….

You’re a scholar and a poet!

Material Elvis

Lowetide: I think there’s a lot of truth in what you say. I’ll still bring the advanced stats to each game, but the value I see in these numbers doesn’t appear to permeate the group who come here to read and interact. Quite the change from five years ago. Neither good nor bad, but certainly a change.

I think it’s a great thing that people are questioning the validity of the numbers. If we blindly follow numbers that act as proxy for something else, analytical mistakes can easily be made. Same goes for the eye test. If a scout/poster says that a player is great or terrible based on a few viewings, it can lead to flawed conclusions. When chip tracking enters the equation, I think that people will be more inclined to take the stats at face value.

Chachi

McDavidMyMuse,

McDavidMyMuse:
Chachi,

Oh Lowetide, oh Lowetide, oh how things have changed!
This place is a haven, though sometimes deranged.
I’ve lurked here for years, and now I must post
to remind fellow patrons of our gracious host.
As we now embark on this fresh season new,
let’s give thanks to Al who bleeds copper and blue.
So thank you, oh Lowetide, for presenting facts,
for letting us comment, discuss and react.

This board is a privilege so act with some class,
avoid condescension and do not harass,
let’s argue and wrestle and laugh at the sass,
and next BOA let’s watch Kass beat up Glass


Now, if you come here and enjoy it give the donate button a hit,
Otherwise you know you’re a real cheap piece of ….

OriginalPouzar

Snowman: Giving a guy 4×4 million and then playing him on the third pair isn’t a good look.

Salary/cap hit is a non-factor when determining deployment of the 23-man roster within any particular game. If the coach thinks Russell on the 3rd pairing gives the team the best chance to win the game then Russell plays on the third pairing.

JD_Wry

DBO: I hear Petry is solid…

We can’t have a bunch of guys on the back end making $4M per season…

McDavidMyMuse

Chachi,

Oh Lowetide, oh Lowetide, oh how things have changed!
This place is a haven, though sometimes deranged.
I’ve lurked here for years, and now I must post
to remind fellow patrons of our gracious host.
As we now embark on this fresh season new,
let’s give thanks to Al who bleeds copper and blue.
So thank you, oh Lowetide, for presenting facts,
for letting us comment, discuss and react.

This board is a privilege so act with some class,
avoid condescension and do not harass,
let’s argue and wrestle and laugh at the sass,
and next BOA let’s watch Kass beat up Glass 🙂

digger50

VOR:
Digger,

I just want to say that Peter Chiarelli should do exactly nothing.

All the metrics are screaming that the Oilers are an elite hockey team. They outplayed all their opponents to date, got average goaltending, well below average power play production, and average penalty kill performance. The Oilers record in powerplays and in game scores reflects that they have run into a string of hot goaltenders.

Their PDO is well below average at .970. Otherwise at the offensive end they are playing brilliantly (top 3 in underlying metrics). They are better than league average on defence (14th) without Andrej Sekera in the lineup.

Are players making mistakes and doing dumb things and getting caught loafing on the back check? Sure, and a coach has to try and correct those mental errors. However, we wouldn’t be here having this conversation if the Oilers were shooting league average at EVS. Focusing too much on the indivdual trees prevent us from seeing the beautiful lush green forest growing right in front of our eyes.

No changes need to be made, the Oilers’ luck just needs to improve.

Appreciate your comment, some good news in those numbers.

And lord i hope he does not change anything right now. There would be a high probability he makes an awful trade at this point. If you do make a trade Peter please take your time, get it right.

He has built a team that can make the play offs – so success.

But you still could not convince me he could have, and should have , done more in the off season. And my major point being this slight readjustment in expectations is what has fans upset, more than simply two losses on the scoreboard.

Cassandra

John Chambers:
Cassandra,

I dunno

I think it’s also fair to say that although this community was at one time passionate about numbers, it seems the air has been taken out of the tires somewhat regarding obsessive statistical analysis.

Plus minus is a flawed stat. Corsi is a flawed stat. “Events” in hockey are not like baseball at-bats and need to be assessed in context.

The best statistical method IMO is Staples’ contributions to scoring chances for and against. It’s not perfect but it is a mechanism that marries numbers with the eye.

We’re actually a much smarter community than 3 or 4 years ago. Then there was a curiosity and zeal over all the new available data, and most of it has been rendered and put to productive use.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Staples method has been beaten to death here many times, each time with the resounding conclusion that it is not simply flawed but actively misleading. It is a very good example of the abuse of statistics. And yet, here it is cited as “the best” method.

This is not progress. This is not even having the same conversation over and over again. This is not a revisiting of past assumptions with new reasoning or evidence. We are not learning, we are forgetting.

John Chambers

Cassandra,

I dunno

I think it’s also fair to say that although this community was at one time passionate about numbers, it seems the air has been taken out of the tires somewhat regarding obsessive statistical analysis.

Plus minus is a flawed stat. Corsi is a flawed stat. “Events” in hockey are not like baseball at-bats and need to be assessed in context.

The best statistical method IMO is Staples’ contributions to scoring chances for and against. It’s not perfect but it is a mechanism that marries numbers with the eye.

We’re actually a much smarter community than 3 or 4 years ago. Then there was a curiosity and zeal over all the new available data, and most of it has been rendered and put to productive use.

Side

Cassandra: There are no words for how much I disagree with this.

Once upon a time the commentators of this site used to argue about the numbers.What they were, what they meant, which ones were the right ones, etc.

Then the numbers discussion gained some credibility, and with credibility, was attacked.So the discussion shifted to the defense of the numbers.

Now we are in stage 3.The seen em good, my opinion is as good as yours crowd have won.And no one discusses anything.Just one opinion after another.

This is rich, coming from a guy who said this:

“It’s the dreaded 1 for 3 deal without the 3
I hate being right. I’ve disliked Chiarelli since the beginning and he’s only gotten worse.
I make this vow. I will poison this board with hatred for Chiarelli for as long as he lives. I don’t care if the Oilers make the playoffs. It they do, they would have made it anyway. It they don’t, it is his fault.
I don’t even care if they win the Stanley Cup. If they do, it is in spite of this move.
Anyone who defends Chiarelli from here until the end of time will be trolled mercilessly. Begone traitors. Your attitude has aided and abetted the ruination.”

You don’t look like someone who is having an intelligent discussion here. You look like a troll who attacks other posters opinions. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror if you’re looking for someone to blame for the site’s “lack of discussions”.

McSorley33

Richard S.S.,

The remaining three lines are not good enough, they’re almost nonexistent.
************************************************************************************
Well, this is incredibly reassuring….thanks.

VOR

Digger,

I just want to say that Peter Chiarelli should do exactly nothing.

All the metrics are screaming that the Oilers are an elite hockey team. They outplayed all their opponents to date, got average goaltending, well below average power play production, and average penalty kill performance. The Oilers record in powerplays and in game scores reflects that they have run into a string of hot goaltenders.

Their PDO is well below average at .970. Otherwise at the offensive end they are playing brilliantly (top 3 in underlying metrics). They are better than league average on defence (14th) without Andrej Sekera in the lineup.

Are players making mistakes and doing dumb things and getting caught loafing on the back check? Sure, and a coach has to try and correct those mental errors. However, we wouldn’t be here having this conversation if the Oilers were shooting league average at EVS. Focusing too much on the indivdual trees prevent us from seeing the beautiful lush green forest growing right in front of our eyes.

No changes need to be made, the Oilers’ luck just needs to improve.

Klima's_Bucket

Anyone else think Yamamoto is just up with the big club to earn the reward of an NHL paycheck on the 15th? Maybe two pay checks if he hangs around to the end of the month?

Chachi

Cassandra: There are no words for how much I disagree with this.

Once upon a time the commentators of this site used to argue about the numbers.What they were, what they meant, which ones were the right ones, etc.

Then the numbers discussion gained some credibility, and with credibility, was attacked.So the discussion shifted to the defense of the numbers.

Now we are in stage 3.The seen em good, my opinion is as good as yours crowd have won.And no one discusses anything.Just one opinion after another.

That’s just your opinion. But seriously, I understand you are upset that everyone didn’t jump on to your Milan Lucic hate train. Also, it seems strange that you have such a wistfulness for the good ol’ days of a site you vowed to troll incessantly.

Cassandra

Chachi: It has changed because a good chunk of posters who used to post here have moved on either because they get paid to write about hockey elsewhere or they have moved to twitter where they can limit communication to only people with whom they agree about everything.I have been reading (not posting) here since the beginning and there are way more “numbers people” than “watch the game” people now compared to 2 years ago.

There are no words for how much I disagree with this.

Once upon a time the commentators of this site used to argue about the numbers. What they were, what they meant, which ones were the right ones, etc.

Then the numbers discussion gained some credibility, and with credibility, was attacked. So the discussion shifted to the defense of the numbers.

Now we are in stage 3. The seen em good, my opinion is as good as yours crowd have won. And no one discusses anything. Just one opinion after another.

Richard S.S.

Oh my God, the peons are panicking again. The goaltending is good enough, it could be better but it’s good enough. The defense is good enough, it could be better but it’s good enough. McDavid line is good enough, it could be better but it’s good enough. The remaining three lines are not good enough, they’re almost nonexistent. This is where the Oiler’s biggest problems are, who plays with who. The talent is there, the desire needs to be there also. When they get going, then we can worry about the other stuff.

Chachi

Cassandra: And yet this isn’t at all true. The composition of people who post here has radically changed in the past two years. LT commented on it just the other day.

It has changed because a good chunk of posters who used to post here have moved on either because they get paid to write about hockey elsewhere or they have moved to twitter where they can limit communication to only people with whom they agree about everything. I have been reading (not posting) here since the beginning and there are way more “numbers people” than “watch the game” people now compared to 2 years ago.

digger50

I do not think it is the two losses that are stinging here.

I think it is reality colliding with preseason optimism.

Most knew deep down that the Oilers did not get better this summer. Too many depth signings, no real difference makers. Too many non NHLers.

But still there is optimism that the club will get it right and all the pieces will fall into place. The first few games are telling us the pieces just may not fall into place. And counting on internal development…..all clubs count on players getting better. As Drai gets better, so does Mathews.

Peter still has a solid team due to high end talent, but if you want to build a Cup team you have to try harder. This is far from saying incompetent, I am far away from that. Just saying optimism and hope only go so far and those things are up to us fans. GM should be covering bets, no stone unturned, no opportunity missed, give the team every chance possable. “Let’s see how things go” should not be a GM plan.

Pouzar

Snowman: Giving a guy 4×4 million and then playing him on the third pair isn’t a good look.

Even worse on the 2nd pairing.

Snowman

Pouzar: .
They seem to be fixated on Russell being a Top 4.

Giving a guy 4×4 million and then playing him on the third pair isn’t a good look.

Gret99zky

Woodguy v2.0:

Draisaitl not on the ice.

No Draisaitl at practice today.

I hear he’s holding out for another million.