AHL Game Five: Condors at Reign

by Lowetide

For Jesse Puljujarvi, the NHL story (“Power outage under the Big Top!”) is a breath of fresh air and abundant good news. However, the big Finn is four games into his AHL season and has zero goals plus two assists. AHL phenoms need to force the issue with gaudy boxcars, brilliant performances and gushing prose from the minor league coach to Oilers headquarters. JP hasn’t moved the needle, and that may well be an opportunity missed. Then again, Leon Draisaitl went 6gp, 1-1-2 before receiving the call and laying waste to the Habs one Halloween night not so long ago.

CONDORS TONIGHT!

  • The Oilers are eventually going to need a skill center for Puljujarvi, maybe that skill center is in the NHL currently and the Finn will join the big club.
  • Josh Currie is a solid two-way center in the AHL—22 goals a year ago—but there’s a big gap between his offensive ability and Anton Lander.
  • Joe Gambardella had a nice run in the spring with Bakersfield, but didn’t put in a strong showing at Oilers training camp. He seems to be turning the corner on his season now.
  • Chad Butcher is an AHL-only contract but he did great work in training camp and posted his first pro goal last night.
  • Nick Ellis continues to build his resume, a strong showing last night and he’ll play again this evening.

If the Edmonton Oilers are casting an eye toward Bakersfield, and wondering who can help them right now, I would think Jesse Puljujarvi is an obvious place to start. The boxcars are not strong, but the same could be said of Leon Draisaitl a couple of years ago and he really helped the Oilers. I don’t think JP is Leon offensively, but he might be able to help.

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GMB3

I’m not sure we have very good left wing depth either.

Professor Q

He’s played half a year of AHL hockey and another half of NHL hockey.

And he just turned 19.

I thought you guys were big on larger sample sizes?

Yeah, so he wasn’t a Laine or Matthews. There are 2000+ other players who aren’t, either.

OriginalPouzar

JP is eligible to pay in the world junior hockey championships this year.

Sure, we can be disappointed in his arrows but the word “bust” is a bit unfair to the teenager.

thehop

OriginalPouzar:
Mark Schiefle:

– Draft plus 1 – Back to junior

– Draft plus 2 – 4 NHL games with 0 points and back to junior

– Draft plus 3 – 24 points in 63 NHL games

– Draft plus 4 – 49 points in 82 games

– Draft plus 5 – 61 points in 71 games

– Draft plus 6 – 82 points in 79 games

I’m not sure, Jesse Puljijarivi, the AHL 5 games in to his draft plus 2 year, is a draft bust.

Please continue to show this post to anyone who thinks he’s a bust.

#freeslepyshev

OriginalPouzar

Mark Schiefle:

– Draft plus 1 – Back to junior

– Draft plus 2 – 4 NHL games with 0 points and back to junior

– Draft plus 3 – 24 points in 63 NHL games

– Draft plus 4 – 49 points in 82 games

– Draft plus 5 – 61 points in 71 games

– Draft plus 6 – 82 points in 79 games

I’m not sure, Jesse Puljijarivi, the AHL 5 games in to his draft plus 2 year, is a draft bust.

hags9k

I remain more optimistic than most about JPs ceiling. I still think he is a superior prospect to Kailer who has been very good. JP just needs time. I see a lot of Sundin in him.

The angled touch pass to 97 in preseason was special. I think he will be a force, but we will have to wait for all that pizza to fill into the proper places.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

OriginalPouzar,

That’s the problem … not sure JP is an offensive player. Ty Rattie might be wondering if playing with Josh Currie and JP isn’t ideal for an offensive player right about now. It’s a matter of perspective.

OriginalPouzar

Leon Draisaitl had 2 points in 6 games in his draft plus 2 year in the AHL.

Playing with Josh Currie and Ty Rattie isn’t ideal for an offensive player.

OriginalPouzar

How is a 19 year old player, in his draft plus 2 year a bust?

If drafted out of the CHL, he wouldn’t even be eligible for the AHL, he’d still be in junior.

Players develop at different rates. Maybe at some point we consider he won’t live up to his 4th overall pedigree but that does not mean bust, that does not mean solid career and valuable player.

Nugent Hopkins has not lived up to his draft day pedigree but he’s not a bust, not in my opinion.

Mike Modano's Dog

russ99:
TheVengeFulOne,

Yamamoto is an exciting prospect and he has a well rounded group of skills, but he’s costing the the team goals, with the puck frequently on his stick in high danger areas and he’s not scoring. Any other player who’s scored at the NHL level wouldn’t waste those chances.

We send him back to Spokane, he’ll be a better player next year. We have one rushed and frustrated high pick already we don’t need two.

We’re getting the chances and we’re not scoring, McLellan needs to adjust things, since some player groups just don’t work, Lucic-RNH, Jokinen-Letestu,

If we play our systems like we did today, get good goaltending, and put the puck in the net more, we’ll be fine. No need to do anything drastic.

I agree with your sentiment about rushed picks, 100%. Add to that Leon being brought in his first season when he was in over his head and burning a year off his ELC, which was ridiculous, and made us lock him in this year after one majorly good year.

I would send Yamamoto back before 10 games. The question of course is who takes his spot, but that is not Yamamoto’s responsibility, nor should he be kept up because of holes in the lineup.

Man, this should have been addressed in the off-season…instead we got AHL hires, and of those exclusively the types of players who, at best, are 4th liners, or 7-8 defensemen.

It may be too early to panic but I am starting to. I hear talk that if we can just win the next 3 games we will be at .500, but from here it looks like after 3 more games being in even deeper trouble is more likely.

I sure hope Leon’s return is impactful!

russ99

TheVengeFulOne,

Yamamoto is an exciting prospect and he has a well rounded group of skills, but he’s costing the the team goals, with the puck frequently on his stick in high danger areas and he’s not scoring. Any other player who’s scored at the NHL level wouldn’t waste those chances.

We send him back to Spokane, he’ll be a better player next year. We have one rushed and frustrated high pick already we don’t need two.

We’re getting the chances and we’re not scoring, McLellan needs to adjust things, since some player groups just don’t work, Lucic-RNH, Jokinen-Letestu,

If we play our systems like we did today, get good goaltending, and put the puck in the net more, we’ll be fine. No need to do anything drastic.

russ99

Been an Astros fan since the 70s as a kid, it’s pretty sweet that they won the pennant and are the first team that beat the Red Sox and Yankees in the same offseason.

Special group of guys there, hope they can finish the job.

workaroundaccount

HT Joe: To be honest, you’re not giving proper credit to a lot of people who have been on the “Peter didn’t do enough boat” since the mid-summer.

Amen. These are the same concerns myself(under another alias) and others raised since the oilers were eliminated. Story has not changed, evidence has simply mounted.

workaroundaccount

stush18,

I don’t think handedness really matters. We just need at least one more bonifide top 6 fwd.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

deardylan,

Another win for Bakersfield as a Team!

Well maybe … but more than likely not. Condors were outshot by a healthy margin in both games (17 to 6 in the first period tonight). With league average goaltending, they probably lose both games. Ellis was spectacular, pitching a shutout for five periods and all but the last two minutes or so of a sixth during which the Reign pulled their goalie and hemmed the Condors in their own zone during 6×5 play.

Tesla's Hair

There is a Finnish proverb…

“Kun menee sutta pakoon, tulee karhu vastaan”

Loosely translated:

When you try to tie up a Puljujärvi, you run into a BEAR.

Another win for Bakersfield as a Team!

Chachi

Professor Q: That last goal should have been offside.

Odds are at least 1 of his points would have involved cheating in some way.

PunjabiOil

Would do RNH + Benning for Pacioretty and I like both players.

Ryan

PunjabiOil:
Finally, and I really hate to write this, but JP was nearly invisible both games. If you did not know he was a high first round draft pick, you would not have guessed it watching these games. One dangerous opportunity and it was a weak shot right into the goalie for an easy save. Disinterested? Disappointed? I don’t know but he displayed absolutely no WOW factor. Really hope I am wrong about this player.

There are ebbs and flows in development, but whats discouraging is Puljujarvi isn’t even getting shots on goal.1 shot each game in the last 4.

Math never liked him.

Maybe it’s time to acknowledge a sunk cost and move him while he has value.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s prolly a draft bust.

stush18

Would anyone here trade pacioretty for Puljujarvi? Friedmen reporting the oilers should be asking about him.

Or should we be looking for a righty?

geowal

Jagr on after hours

Henry

Professor Q: I think it was mostly A-Rod and Jeter that got my ire. And their name. And their uniforms.

I went to graduate school in New Jersey during the early Jeter/Willaims/Rivera years. Went to 5-10 games a year and (mostly silently) cheered for the other guys every time. This group of Yankees are pretty nice, but living in Houston the past 11 years, it feels very, very good beating the Borg this time.

PunjabiOil

Finally, and I really hate to write this, but JP was nearly invisible both games. If you did not know he was a high first round draft pick, you would not have guessed it watching these games. One dangerous opportunity and it was a weak shot right into the goalie for an easy save. Disinterested? Disappointed? I don’t know but he displayed absolutely no WOW factor. Really hope I am wrong about this player.

There are ebbs and flows in development, but whats discouraging is Puljujarvi isn’t even getting shots on goal. 1 shot each game in the last 4.

Math never liked him.

Maybe it’s time to acknowledge a sunk cost and move him while he has value.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

Attended both Condor games this weekend. Nick Ellis was simply outstanding … best player on the ice for either team. Bear also impressed. Better than average in all phases of the game and processes at a very high level. He could be something special. Mantha displayed the howitzer on several occasions and yes he is very accurate with it. Did some good things in other areas as well. It will be interesting to follow his development going forward. Could be a very valuable find. Regarding forward prospects, Ty Rattie had some good moments. He looked dangerous out there. Finally, and I really hate to write this, but JP was nearly invisible both games. If you did not know he was a high first round draft pick, you would not have guessed it watching these games. One dangerous opportunity and it was a weak shot right into the goalie for an easy save. Disinterested? Disappointed? I don’t know but he displayed absolutely no WOW factor. Really hope I am wrong about this player.

Professor Q

Pouzar: As a Red Sox fan I hate the Yankees. But this collection of individuals wearing pinstripes I have no ill will towards. A very fine team.

I think it was mostly A-Rod and Jeter that got my ire. And their name. And their uniforms.

Ryan

anjinsan:
Watching and listening to McLellan post the loss at Philly, I felt the pain and also felt I saw someone who pitched his best game and realized his stuff wasn’t up to Stanley trajectory.

Reading between the lines, I’ve had a sense that Mclellan has long since capitulated on this season.

Most of his comments seem to come from the ‘day late and a dollar short’ category especially those relative to team speed.

Professor Q

Chachi:
Dustin Brown had 4 points tonight. I hear he celebrated by kicking a bunch of puppies.

That last goal should have been offside.

VOR

Woodguy,

Don’t know if you are out there. Great link on the Travis Yost piece. The story made me think about my former mentor Gideon Ariel. Gideon, for those of you who don’t know was the first person to ever use computers to study athletic performance (in conjuction with video tape no less). He started in the 70s.

So definitely a genius, decades ahead of his time. But also large parts snake oil salesman. He convinced any number of professional teams to buy his products and services long before the technology existed as anything but a concept in Gideon’s fertile imagination. It would never have stood up to the slightest scrutiny but nobody ever asked the tough questions. They were just so anxious to gain a competitive advantage. It doesn’t sound like things have changed much.

The irony is all the products and services Gideon dreamed up now exist and make up much of modern bio-mechanics, sports tracking, and human performance science. And it is all a direct consequence of the mad genius of Gideon Ariel. He believed it until it happened.

http://people.com/archive/anything-you-can-do-computer-whiz-gideon-ariel-can-help-you-do-better-vol-12-no-13/

Lloyd B.

Gret99zky:
Kinger_Oil.redux,

“A plumber, a cop, an architect, and a real-estater walk into a ball stadium…”

The Village People?

OriginalPouzar

Ellis stops 35 out of 36 – only beaten by a late goal to make it 2-1.

Laleggia puts on in to the empty net (from Rattie).

anjinsan

Watching and listening to McLellan post the loss at Philly, I felt the pain and also felt I saw someone who pitched his best game and realized his stuff wasn’t up to Stanley trajectory.

Gret99zky

Kinger_Oil.redux,

“A plumber, a cop, an architect, and a real-estater walk into a ball stadium…”

OriginalPouzar

Man – I didn’t realize there was this entry – I thought there was only going to be one post on game days:

Safin with 2 assists and 5 shots in a 4-3 loss.

Samorukov with no points but 3 shots in a 2-0 win.

Wells lit up for 7 goals on 31 shots – ouch.

Maksimov with 4 shots on net in a 1-0 OTL

Rattie with a goal and Bear was a goal and assist so far – 2-0 Condors with under 10 to go.

Lloyd B.

Nolan Ryan just smiled and gave a fist pump. First show of emotion all game.

HT Joe

digger50: Lots of folks jumping on the “Peter didn’t do enough boat” now that preseason optimism is starting to fade.

To be honest, you’re not giving proper credit to a lot of people who have been on the “Peter didn’t do enough boat” since the mid-summer.

Munny

Gotta give credit where credit’s due.

This crowd has been giving 110 percent all game.

It’s gut check time, and everybody’s on the same page.

At the end of the day, they’re just trying to make things happen out there.

Pouzar

Munny:
Pouzar,

Does it rhyme with “luxury tax”?

Perfect…maybe they could back that on the back of their jerseys?

Lloyd B.

Pouzar: I have an idea.

Thats great. What might it be?

Players become better because they don’t want to let the ghosts of past teams down on their watch?

jtblack

Lowetide,

The perfect Sat Night …. my GMA taught me crib when I was 5 / 6.

Munny

Pouzar,

Does it rhyme with “luxury tax”?

Pouzar

Lloyd B.: Do you have an alternate reason that organization has been so consistently good for so long?

I have an idea.

Lloyd B.

Pouzar: You don’t honestly buy that shit do you?

Do you have an alternate reason that organization has been so consistently good for so long?

And appear ready to go on another extended run…again!

Their Major League team is looking pretty good and the minor league has a load of top quality prospects as well.

Munny

Pouzar,

winner

Pouzar

Kinger_Oil.redux: So as an Expos then a Jays fan

I think Dennis King just kicked a puppy.

Munny

Lowetide:
Mrs. Lowetide wants you to know we’re drinking too much and I’m being mean at cribbage. That is all.

You stinkhole!

flyfish1168

Lowetide:
Bear from Christoffer and Butcher.

We might have a candidate for RHD call up.

Pouzar

This is nuts.

Buster Olney‏Verified account @Buster_ESPN 1m1 minute ago
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First six innings of this game, the Astros attacked the Yankees’ hitters with curveballs — 48% of all pitches were curves.

Chachi

Pouzar: If anyone tells you they know Hockey-ing…run.

That’s my reaction any time anyone tells me anything.

Kinger_Oil.redux

– So as an Expos then a Jays fan, my instinct was always to hate the Yankees

– I was in NY for business the last year they had the Old Yankee Stadium: I walked up to the ticket wicket for a random game on a Thursday: they said “it’s your lucky day”, and I got a ticket 11 rows behind catcher: about $45 bucks!

– So I get to my seat, and these guys in their late 50’s say: “hey, welcome, you got our extra seat” These guys, all pals, owned 6 season tickets: that they bought when they were all young an single, and have been going to the games for 35+ years” One guy was a plumber, cop, an architect, real-estate.

– Anyway they were so passionate about baseball: not just the Yankees, but they talked jays with me,

– They kept sore with the sheet thingy, and were awesome about ribbing each other about how to annoit it, and general fun trash talk.

– Yankees have this tradition where before the game, the fans cheer for each player untill they acknowledge them: so “Jeter-Jeter-Jeter”,then he tips his hat, they go to the next guy: “a-rod-a-rod,” etc. It’s just special: at a Jays game, that doesn’t work as most fans couldn’t name 5 players!

– It was a really fun atmosphere, the guys were fantastic, and I had to admit it was a cool stadium, and I had some great hosts (we are in touch, and they came up to a game here in Toronto)

– Plus they have really done a nice job of flushing their vets, and they have an exciting team.

– Yankees LA would be special as well