G20 2017-18: Oilers at Stars

I was five years old, it was a sunny morning in late spring. My brother was in school, my Mom was in the house, the one my Father built just before I was born in Whonnock, British Columbia. Address rural route, your get your mail in town. I would be going to Thornhill School that fall.

This particular day, I was playing by the road allowance at the end of our long driveway. My dog (Colby, he was a black lab) and me, hanging out. Every once in awhile, someone (probably lost) would drive by and I’d have a good long look at them before going about my business. In those years, I could identify a vehicle pretty well, although my Dad and brother were the real experts.

I remember the day because of my Grandpa and his horse, Tom. When I was five Tom and Colby were my best friends.

My day was pretty much planned. Outside until lunch, then play in the backyard until 3pm. At 3, Mom would call me in and we’d watch “The Edge of Night” while she had a cigarette with all of the curtains drawn so no one would see her (that’s why I had to go in). By 3:45, the bus would drop off my brother and we’d play until supper.

But on this morning, something was different. My Grandpa had taken Tom and the heavy logging chains up the hill across from our house. They were clearing trees like mad in those years (for housing) and Tom and Grandpa would haul them to the sawmill (it was between our house and Grandpa’s) every day.

I kept hearing this thundering sound. It was like a truck engine and I could feel the ground rumble, and Colby was acting very strange. Barking and actually angry. The rumble kept getting louder, I stayed just shy of the road, completely unaware of the coming danger.

Maybe one minute before Tom hit the road, I heard my Grandpa’s voice in a way I’d never heard it before. He was screaming my name, in a high pitched, excited way, and then something else I didn’t understand (looking back, suspect it was something like “get the hell out of the way!”). Colby and I ran over and got into Dad’s truck (it was parked at the end of the driveway, to the side and out of the way).

Tom had been spooked and took off like a bat out of hell down that makeshift logging road towards our house with a full load of logs. By the time he turned south all of the logs had fallen away, Tom was carrying chains and running so fast it scared the hell out of me. A couple of minutes later my Grandpa came running down the hill, looking half past dead and white as a sheet. He checked on me and kept chasing Tom. He ran all the way to Mr. Muth’s house. Grandpa caught Tom, calmed him down, and that was a helluva morning. Later that day, I fed Tom all of Grandpa’s apples I could find. Thought it was the least I could do.

I thought of that moment yesterday, when trying to bring together my thoughts about this team. I think something is not quite right, something has this team spooked. Can’t put my finger on it. I know they don’t have the horses, but it feels like it’s something more, something a trade or recall can’t fix. Injuries? Coaching? Don’t know.  The numbers say this thing will turn north. My advice? Feed them apples.

The Edmonton Oilers all-time record against the Dallas Stars is 49-60-24. All losses (in my mind, anyway) involved watching Mike Modano fly past Oilers defensemen dressed in cement shoes, and all Oilers forwards flattened by Derian Hatcher in the public square. God bless you, Todd Marchant, Curtis Joseph, Doug Weight, Bill Guerin, Ryan Smyth and all you boys, someday Dallas hockey fans will know the pain of being hammered senseless by the mighty Oilers. Not today, though.

THE ATHLETIC!

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PIKE’S PEAK, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in November 2015: 3-5-1, goal differential -2
  • Oilers in November 2016: 2-6-1, goal differential -11
  • Oilers in November 2017: 4-4-1, goal differential +1

G10 in November 2015 was a 4-1 loss to Carolina and a year later the Oilers were winning 5-2 over the Dallas Stars (hatty for 97). No matter what happens today, this year’s Oilers will remain the most successful November Edmonton team under Todd McLellan.

AFTER 20, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 6-12-1, goal differential -12
  • Oilers 16-17: 10-8-1, goal differential +2
  • Oilers 17-18: 7-10-2, goal differential -10

G20 fall 2015 saw Edmonton romp over NJD 5-1, and last year it was 5-0 Oilers over Chicago. This year’s Oilers have more in common with the 2015-16 Oilers team than last year’s and this road trip is going to hammer this thing home one way or another.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM NOVEMBER

  • At home to: Pittsburgh, New Jersey, Detroit (Expected: 2-1-0) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • On the road to: NYI, New Jersey, NYR, Washington (Expected: 1-2-1) (Actual: 2-1-1)
  • At home to: Vegas, St. Louis (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual: 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, St. Louis, Detroit, Buffalo, Boston (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Arizona, Toronto (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-7-2, 16 points in 16 games 
  • Current results: 4-4-1, nine points in nine games

I honestly don’t think there’s a game on this road trip where you can absolutely pronounce the Oilers as the favorite. My “best bets” for wins in the next week are Dallas (they are slumping) and Buffalo (they are Buffalo). If they lost all five I would be surprised but it wouldn’t be the biggest shock in the world. Everyone has their own opinions about what’s wrong with this team (mine is ‘they don’t have the horses’) but it is impossible to argue that this team is firing on all pistons.

LOGIC AND REASON

You can learn a lot from Oilers Nerd Alert. As difficult as this season has been, and as possible as it is that regression occurs after the season is lost, the numbers suggest this team is better than their won-loss record. Now is not a time to panic, based on numbers.

It’s very difficult to get our minds around this statement: The losing that happened 2006-16 is different in one important way from the losing we are seeing today. This is a good team, although it may not be a playoff team.

LOSING RUNWAY

Peter Chiarelli made a trade this week, one of those smaller items he does well. Mike Cammalleri played well in the first game and arrives at a point where a line shuffle is in the ether. Where will Cammalleri land in a shuffle? Don’t know.

Connor McDavid has been effective with Leon Draisaitl and Patrick Maroon over a long period of time. I think Cammalleri might be a reasonable option the top line, preferable to running young Jesse Puljujarvi out there with McDavid this season.

POSSIBLE LINES

  • Patrick Maroon—Connor McDavid—Mike Cammalleri
  • Milan Lucic—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Leon Draisaitl
  • Drake Caggiula—Ryan Strome—Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Jujhar Khaira—Mark Letestu—Zack Kassian

I wouldn’t run the lines as above. I would run Leon on RW. When Anton Slepyshev returns, I think Todd McLellan might have enough talent to run Leon at center. Until then? Stay the course. It isn’t sexy.

WOULD YOU?

  • Bob McKenzie:  “The Vegas Golden Knights are getting calls on pending UFA wingers James Neal and David Perron. It’s been believed that they would move them at the trade deadline. If someone were to “blow their socks off,” they might consider moving now, though that is not likely to happen. There are lots of teams looking for help up front. GM George McPhee could also be open to talking to Neal and/or Perron about a contract extension.”

Peter Chiarelli can probably reach out and help this team today, but he would have to trade Jesse Puljujarvi or Darnell Nurse to do it. Is that a good idea?

My answer: I would make a deal. I would not trade Jesse Puljujarvi for a pending UFA but I would deal him for a younger, established NHL player under control. Seriously. By the way, I’d do that if the team had a record of 10-7-2 as well.

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  1. Material pocession says:

    “Bench McDavid”. Yeah, that’d be a great idea.

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pouzar: LOL

    I was gonna ask you the same thing.

    $100 (to a charity of your choice) on whether LB would be replaced by Ellis by Xmas.
    Now that is based off memory….I am no where near certain these are the exact terms.
    I gotta write this **** down.

    Yeah, that’s not it.

    Probably not far off though

  3. JonyPro says:

    Réal Goudenyéu,

    Wasn’t an excuse, it was an observation. For years I watch them lose Saturday. It’s as if they have that mentality melted in their brains.

  4. jake70 says:

    This was setting up for a blow out against the Oil…..and here we are 2-2….funny thing this game…

  5. russ99 says:

    Caggiula now RW with McDavid and Draisaitl RW with Nuge.

  6. Ice Sage says:

    The whole McDavid flu thing has gone viral

  7. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Agreed 100% on prospects.

    I actually liked he Benson pick.

    Very high ceiling.

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    What a weird, weird period:

    1) Oilers dominate the first 6 minutes

    2) Talbot lets in an awful goal – an unacceptable goal

    3) Captain has a series of shifts where he makes turnovers and takes penalties and is the main contributor to a 2nd goal against

    4) Captain, after playing the worst 10 minutes of his pro career, makes a phenomenal SH play to get a goal and the momentum back

    5) Captain ties it up.

    6) Oilers dominate the last few minutes of the period.

  9. russ99 says:

    Maroon got pummeled. Hope he’s ok.

  10. Gerta Rauss says:

    All things considered I’ll take a 2-2 tie

  11. StixMalone says:

    Nice scrappiness at the end of first but Maroon lost that one….

  12. Ice Sage says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    What a weird, weird period:

    1) Oilers dominate the first 6 minutes

    2) Talbot lets in an awful goal – an unacceptable goal

    3) Captain has a series of shifts where he makes turnovers and takes penalties and is the main contributor to a 2nd goal against

    4) Captain, after playing the worst 10 minutes of his pro career, makes a phenomenal SH play to get a goal and the momentum back

    5) Captain ties it up.

    6) Oilers dominate the last few minutes of the period.

    7) Dallas wins the wingspan war between periods.

  13. StixMalone says:

    Fight score card
    Edmonton 1
    Dallas 1

  14. Dicky94 says:

    Never listen to anything I ever say again. What the hell?

  15. Material pocession says:

    A star player has the puck knocked off his stick because he doesn’t want to dump and chase. The goalie lets in a weak goal on the transition. People then state that Connor shouldn’t be on the ice. This is some of the worst hockey analysis that I’ve ever read.

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m glad coach didn’t bench the captain but he sure deserved it after that 10 minute stretch.

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dicky94:
    Everyone needs to get out and enjoy the day! Nothing to see here.

    Glad I didn’t take your advice – I don’t give up on my team when they are down by 2 in the first period.

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar:
    Wow Drai back with Connor?

    Tell me this is a joke?

    That was just because the lines were messed up from a penalty kill.

  19. StixMalone says:

    What team is going to show up in the second? Jekyll or Hyde…

  20. Dustylegnd says:

    Ya lets get McDavid off the ice he is terrible….bahahahahahah…you guys kill me

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    Material pocession:
    A star player has the puck knocked off his stick because he doesn’t want to dump and chase. The goalie lets in a weak goal on the transition. People then state that Connor shouldn’t be on the ice.This is some of the worst hockey analysis that I’ve ever read.

    As bad as refusing to acknowledge that a player cannot repeatedly turn the puck over at the offensive blue line and in his own zone? 3 turnovers in bad places by the same player – led to 3 scoring chances against and a PIM.

    Sorry but, as good as the guy is, if he’s constantly turning the puck over at the opposition blueline, he is hurting the team.

  22. treevojo says:

    This is the kind of game which bonds a team.

    More fighting and more goals please.

    Could be the turning point of the season.

  23. Melvis says:

    Analysis? What analysis. Have you ever seen a headless chcken running around after the fact?

    Don’t mind me. Ignorant ass sneezed on me at Sobeys on Thursday. No amount of obsessive face and hand washing escapes the after effects. I’m feeling like Jayne Mansfield after a car accident. And no, it’s not too late for a rum toddy and the super sized Benlyn all in one.

  24. treevojo says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I like positive originalpouzar better.

    Time to eat some frosted flakes.

    Or maybe a snickers?

  25. Pouzar says:

    I will circle back and read all about the Crow Eating later. /McD

  26. Henry says:

    I am at the game. Dallas is pretty flat. The Oilers are not sharp either, particularly Talbot but the Stars can be had here.

  27. Dicky94 says:

    Pouzar,

    Mmmm….. Crow…Surprisingly tastes alright.

  28. Gerta Rauss says:

    Benning 2 + 10 at the end of the 1st period-Oilers down to 5D for a while here

  29. treevojo says:

    Cagey for two

  30. StixMalone says:

    Nice shift

  31. NSmitty says:

    Wooo! Is that Cags first 2 goal game?

  32. Gerta Rauss says:

    Caggiula again….3-2 Oilers..!!

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    treevojo:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I like positive originalpouzar better.

    Time to eat some frosted flakes.

    Or maybe a snickers?

    I’m good, just had my noon snack (45 min late):

    – 133g of sweet potato
    – 3 ounces of chicken breast
    – 10 g of shredded cheese
    – crushed up Lundberg rice cracker

    So good.

  34. StixMalone says:

    In comes Bishop

  35. Material pocession says:

    OriginalPouzar: As bad as refusing to acknowledge that a player cannot repeatedly turn the puck over at the offensive blue line and in his own zone?3 turnovers in bad places by the same player – led to 3 scoring chances against and a PIM.

    Sorry but, as good as the guy is, if he’s constantly turning the puck over at the opposition blueline, he is hurting the team.

    Yes, Connor McDavid, the league MVP, should never commit a turnover because he’s not allowed to make a mistake. Let’s continue to focus our criticism on the one guy who isn’t the problem.

  36. flyfish1168 says:

    The more they show a close up of Connor the more I think he is sick. He appears winded and breathing heavy after his goal

  37. jake70 says:

    How about that subtle little lean in by 97 to keep the puck in and soft little touch to Nurse….nice.

  38. russ99 says:

    Is Maroon OK, looked like Khaira took his shift.

    They said he hit his head on the ice after the post-period fight.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    FIRE THE COACH:

    Putting Drake on the 1st line is going to zoom his stats and kill us in contract negotiations.

  40. StixMalone says:

    He’s in box

  41. russ99 says:

    StixMalone:
    He’s in box

    Duh.

  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    Material pocession: Yes, Connor McDavid, the league MVP, should never commit a turnover because he’s not allowed to make a mistake.Let’s continue to focus our criticism on the one guy who isn’t the problem.

    Ummmm, it was 3 turnovers, in a five minute stretch – all of them egregious and on the heals of a terrible turnover last game that changed that game

    He was absolutely a huge part of the reason we were down 2-0 at the time (and could have been more).

  43. treevojo says:

    russ99:
    Is Maroon OK, looked like Khaira took his shift.

    They said he hit his head on the ice after the post-period fight.

    Take a look in the penalty box

  44. NSmitty says:

    russ99,

    Pretty sure Patty is still in the box, no?

  45. russ99 says:

    Connor does look a tad ill but that’s the best thing for it, sweat it out.

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    Is Maroon OK, looked like Khaira took his shift.

    They said he hit his head on the ice after the post-period fight.

    Because of said fight, he is in the penalty box.

    Maybe you hit your head as well? That was just a light-hearted joke.

  47. Gerta Rauss says:

    Too many men Dallas-that’s a shame

  48. BeerMe says:

    Too many men looool

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    Great hands by Nuge there.

  50. treevojo says:

    Nuge has got his old hands back.

    Looks flawless with the puck.

    Was at the game in Florida where he broke one blocking a shot.

    Those take a long time to heal.

    I think it has healed fully now.

  51. StixMalone says:

    Need to blow one past Bishop and get his confidence down again

  52. NSmitty says:

    27-93-29 looks like it could be dominant.

  53. Gerta Rauss says:

    Nice boardwork there-Looch and Drai are a load down low

  54. Material pocession says:

    OriginalPouzar: Ummmm, it was 3 turnovers, in a five minute stretch – all of them egregious and on the heals of a terrible turnover last game that changed that game

    He was absolutely a huge part of the reason we were down 2-0 at the time (and could have been more).

    Not 3 huge turnovers. It’s okay to credit the opposition for making a good defensive play. The first goal was all Talbot. If you blame 97 for that then we can’t continue. The second goal came off of a ‘huge turnover’ at the offensive blue line that turned into a dreaded 2 on 2 rush the other way. What’s a standard goal conversion rate for a 2 on 2 rush? I’ll guess less than 1%. So McDavid’s huge turnover led to an extremely low percentage opportunity that was converted.

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    Great cycle shift by the third 2nd line followed up by a nice pressure shift (and chance) by the 4th line.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    Followed up by a Stars goal

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    Deflected in front off Klef.

  58. StixMalone says:

    Garbage fluke goal

  59. StixMalone says:

    Dreamy can be such a nightmare….

  60. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    StixMalone:
    Garbage fluke goal

    That will probably be how we lose if we do lose.
    A “#becauseoilers” kinda game…

  61. jake70 says:

    Yep…Warren Commission puck there on that goal …

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    Material pocession: Not 3 huge turnovers.It’s okay to credit the opposition for making a good defensive play.The first goal was all Talbot.If you blame 97 for that then we can’t continue.The second goal came off of a ‘huge turnover’ at the offensive blue line that turned into a dreaded 2 on 2 rush the other way.What’s a standard goal conversion rate for a 2 on 2 rush?I’ll guess less than 1%.So McDavid’s huge turnover led to an extremely low percentage opportunity that was converted.

    Nothing to do with the first goal.

    He turned the puck over at the opposition blue line on the 2nd goal – it went the other way and in our net.

    Next shift, he turned the puck over in our own zone and had to take a PIM to negate a scoring chance.

    First shift out of the box, he turned the puck over again at the offensive zone and the play went back the other way.

    He is an amazing player, the best in the world – that doesn’t mean his play is without criticism and he can’t be held accountable when he’s hurt the team.

    In that 10 minute stretch, he was hurting the team

  63. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m good, just had my noon snack (45 min late):

    – 133g of sweet potato
    – 3 ounces of chicken breast
    – 10 g of shredded cheese
    – crushed up Lundberg rice cracker

    So good.

    Lunch time special at the Ol’ folks home:
    “The Curmudgeon”.

  64. Lucinius says:

    RNH with 500 pounds of try this season. Guy is playing really well and part of that is he just refuses to quit on anything.

  65. Material pocession says:

    OriginalPouzar: Nothing to do with the first goal.

    He turned the puck over at the opposition blue line on the 2nd goal – it went the other way and in our net.

    Next shift, he turned the puck over in our own zone and had to take a PIM to negate a scoring chance.

    First shift out of the box, he turned the puck over again at the offensive zone and the play went back the other way.

    He is an amazing player, the best in the world – that doesn’t mean his play is without criticism and he can’t be held accountable when he’s hurt the team.

    In that 10 minute stretch, he was hurting the team

    You miss the point. He’s the best player and you don’t want him to stop trying to make plays. Turnovers are going to happen. What you don’t want to do is take the best player off the ice like some were saying. That’s absurd.

  66. Pescador says:

    StixMalone:
    Dreamy can be such a nightmare….

    Hopefully he will wake up before we hit the ground

  67. geowal says:

    ANOTHER effing day game…just found out, argh!
    Is it actually even so far, or just mirage?

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    Material pocession: You miss the point.He’s the best player and you don’t want him to stop trying to make plays.Turnovers are going to happen.What you don’t want to do is take the best player off the ice like some were saying.That’s absurd.

    No, I’m not missing the point – I know the turnover leaders in the league are filled with the best players.

    With that said, constant turnovers at the blueline and in your own zone cannot occur – yes, 3 in a 5-10 minute stretch is “constant”.

    They were also on the heels of a bad turnover at the offensive zone last game that ended in our net and changed the game.

    No, I’m not saying he has to stop trying to make plays but he also cannot make turnover after turnover after turnover in dangerous places and that was indeed what he was doing and they were costing goals against and penalties.

  69. Gerta Rauss says:

    geowal:
    ANOTHER effing day game…just found out, argh!
    Is it actually even so far, or just mirage?

    It’s a 50/50 game…a bit of scrambly play and oddball goals but it’s up for grabs late in the 2nd period

  70. Pescador says:

    I wish the Oilers could attack themselves on the rush,
    F@ck would they score a lot of goals!!

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nice to see Kass get some big bangs in today – I think that’s three.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    Beautiful goal by the Stars.

    Not sure if Klef played that very well.

  73. Gerta Rauss says:

    Fak……..sa…..

    ffs

  74. jtblack says:

    Weak D boyz

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    Actually, that was more on Drake not staying with his man driving the net.

  76. geowal says:

    That was an ugly back check there

  77. Ice Sage says:

    wow oilers can’t get anything on a long cycle and dallas makes the counterattack look easy. its been a long season

  78. Seismic Source says:

    I’m seeing Oleksiak very good.

  79. geowal says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Caggiula no?

  80. StixMalone says:

    Here we go again….

  81. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Hey!! Our boy Pitlick got the assist on that…
    Wait…

  82. Gerta Rauss says:

    The Oilers need to stay out of the penalty box

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    Seismic Source:
    I’m seeing Oleksiak very good.

    Penny?

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    Shoot that quicker Jujhar!

  85. McSorley33 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    BOP,

    I actually have not seen anyone disparage or cheer against Mr. Benson.

    Some may have pointed out ( as LT has done ) he has missed a Lot of development time due to injury.

    This seams pretty straight forward, actually. And would also suspect a good chunk of people are not surprised at this fact.

    The larger point, made by LT again, we don’t have the horses.

    How this can be so after a decade ( save for last year ) of darkness is a question few want to ask.

    Insert the usual round of ‘ of courses’….

    Bad luck ( to be sure )
    Injuries ( which I have seen today)
    Schedule
    Flu

    I have a feeling we will be looking back in a few years and shaking our head at some of our bottom 6 forwards. ( Pak, 35 Camileri, Letestu )

  86. Mr. D. says:

    All on Caggulia!

    OriginalPouzar:
    Beautiful goal by the Stars.

    Not sure if Klef played that very well.

  87. Lowetide says:

    Oilers No. 6 Prospect Winter 2017: Kirill Maksimov.

    https://theathletic.com/158950/2017/11/18/oilers-no-6-prospect-winter-2017-kirill-maksimov/

    He’s going to score 40 goals this year.

  88. Mr. D. says:

    Klef is technically minus 3. Gryba was not on for first goal. Wtf is going on with this guy?

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers No. 6 Prospect Winter 2017: Kirill Maksimov.

    https://theathletic.com/158950/2017/11/18/oilers-no-6-prospect-winter-2017-kirill-maksimov/

    He’s going to score 40 goals this year.

    Excited to read this later – Loving Maksimov and Safin.

  90. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Of course the fLames won in OT… of course they did…

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    Mr. D.:
    All on Caggulia!

    Yes, I corrected myself after.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    Big third period coming up – lets win this thing.

  93. Henry says:

    Seismic Source,

    Yes. He has been their best player. Good gap control on the nuge three times. And he is a fridge out there.

  94. Henry says:

    Tyler Seguin is really not skating well today. Good.

  95. oscarmike says:

    2018 and 2019 1st round pick+Lucic+Drake+Gene Principe+ Drew Remanda for James Neal+ Perron.

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    Need to kill the rest of this PIM off.

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    PK has been sensational again today.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    What a muffin of a writster by Klef.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Shoot that puck Kris.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Don’t make a shitty pass and give the puck away Kris.

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    Evilas:
    Just started watching the start of the 3rd period.Drai looked lost out there, how’s he been, otherwise?

    Meh….

  102. Surrey Oiler says:

    I’m sensing we are not scoring a goal vs Big Ben Bishop…this one looks done

  103. Jaxon says:

    Russell with a couple brain cramp moves on that last shift.

  104. Elkhorn Boy says:

    Surrey Oiler:
    I’m sensing we are not scoring a goal vs Big Ben Bishop…this one looks done

    Might help if we take shots when we can

  105. treevojo says:

    Huge pp coming up

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Great play by PP1 and Leon robbed by Bishop!

  107. StixMalone says:

    Here it comes Bishop turns into Vezina candidate…..sigh

  108. russ99 says:

    Need a goal, come on guys

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    McDavid stays on with PP2 – I like the concept – no dice this time though.

  110. leadfarmer says:

    Can no one pass the puck without settling it down first

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    Leon with yet another penalty – hook to the hands – he’s guilty.

  112. Surrey Oiler says:

    Que up a Dallas PP goal here…gave them too may PP’s today

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    Another phenomenal PK – lets use that for momentum.

  114. russ99 says:

    Good kill. Need a goal.

  115. Gerta Rauss says:

    Dallas PP 0 for 5 this afternoon…playing with fire

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nice shift here by the 2nd line.

    Lets come in waves and tie this game up.

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    Man – 4G against Talbot on 19 shots – that’s not good enough.

  118. russ99 says:

    Shit

  119. Gerta Rauss says:

    And Benn makes it 5-3

    That’ll do it

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Man – 4G against Talbot on 19 shots – that’s not good enough.

    Make that 5G on 20 shots – just not good enough Cam.

  121. StixMalone says:

    Playoff hopes slipping every game especially these games that are winnable……

  122. russ99 says:

    Caught chasing yet again

  123. Lucinius says:

    Well, it doesn’t look like they’re making the playoffs this year.

    I don’t think it is the personnel, per se, either. We have the players. They just aren’t playing good enough.

  124. ashley says:

    Ugh. McDavid giveth and McDavid giveth up.

  125. Surrey Oiler says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    And bishop shut the door after lehotnen got the hook…the goaltending is simply unacceptable. Completely burns when you see what Mike Smith did in their win today. Every time the opposing team takes a shot I cringe…reminds me of the goaltending from the dark times.

  126. StixMalone says:

    That playoff game where we folded is the catalyst…..

  127. Southern Oil says:

    Does anyone know what our record is in afternoon games? I swear the only one I recall winning in my lifetime was the outdoor game in Winnipeg last year. Like Thursday night football, afternoon games should be banned.

  128. jake70 says:

    Kassian makes these great efforts to get the puck in zone and down low but then things just seem to die and go the other way.

  129. russ99 says:

    Remember how we closed out March last year, I want that team back.

    Not sure what’s up with this team but we’re flat more periods than not.

  130. Pescador says:

    StixMalone:
    Playoff hopes slipping every game especially these games that are winnable……

    A game against the Oilers probably feels winnable for every other team at this point

  131. StixMalone says:

    Next game Drai will be back on top line #becauseoilers

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    Southern Oil:
    Does anyone know what our record is in afternoon games?I swear the only one I recall winning in my lifetime was the outdoor game in Winnipeg last year.Like Thursday night football, afternoon games should be banned.

    Its along the lines of 53-77-14 (not exact but something like that).

  133. Seismic Source says:

    Talbot needs to recenter his chi for a couple games and let LB start.

  134. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar: Make that 5G on 20 shots – just not good enough Cam.

    LB starts next game,
    too many weak goals are making a bad situation worse

  135. McSorley33 says:

    Rotten luck…

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    What a play by Bishop…..

  137. geowal says:

    Well I think that’s the cue to turn this off

  138. russ99 says:

    Someone needs to get axed for that one.

    Caught with our pants down.

  139. jake70 says:

    I feel like it’s 2013/14

  140. StixMalone says:

    Here we go just like Groundhog Day. It just won’t go away I’ll say for the 100 th time here it is……
    Let’s regroup for the next game ……FAWCK

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m starting to think that we might not win this game…..

  142. Surrey Oiler says:

    F@ck Talbot come up some save mannnnnnn

  143. Gerta Rauss says:

    On to St Louis

    This season has been a major disappointment

    *edit-General disappointment

  144. Pescador says:

    russ99:
    Remember how we closed out March last year, I want that team back.

    Not sure what’s up with this team but we’re flat more periods than not.

    As soon as this team is out of the playoffs they will play lights out again, book it

  145. StixMalone says:

    Why do goalie changes work for the other team? Talbot shoulda been pulled after 2nd goal……

  146. treevojo says:

    Note to self.

    Stop betting on the oilers in afternoon games.

    You have kids to feed.

  147. russ99 says:

    Jesus keystone kops out there.

  148. treevojo says:

    Lol

    My center ice pkg ended the broadcast early and switched to a college football game and I’m not even that mad.

    Weird

  149. Surrey Oiler says:

    Too boot we got out coached…time to pour some Crown and waters…man to see the look on McDavid’s face at the end of the game was heartbreaking

  150. McSorley33 says:

    We are 2 points ahead of the Buffalo Sabres.

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    That’s really too bad – really needed these two points.

    Back to backs coming up – I give Brossoit the start against the Blues – that was a poor performance by Talbot and he wasn’t good enough against STL last game either.

  152. StixMalone says:

    Don’t get it…we have the best player in the world and we continually shit the bed. And it isn’t getting any better…..

  153. StixMalone says:

    McSorley33:
    We are 2 points ahead of the Buffalo Sabres.

    Woohoo and ahead of Arizona

  154. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers No. 6 Prospect Winter 2017: Kirill Maksimov.

    https://theathletic.com/158950/2017/11/18/oilers-no-6-prospect-winter-2017-kirill-maksimov/

    He’s going to score 40 goals this year.

    How is his skating? What was it that made him a late draft pick versus going earlier?

  155. McSorley33 says:

    We need to be big time sellers at the deadline…..

  156. HT Joe says:

    McDavid pots another 3 points, so he’s now at 25 points in 20 games, good for a tie for 4th in league scoring.

    Oilers still 3rd last in the league… this is going to be a frustrating season for the young man.

  157. fishman says:

    Weak game by Talbot. If 97 not involved seems to be no offence. Our D not getting it done. Game seemed to change when Bishop came in because Lehtonen was crap and likely Oilers don’t score 2 of the 3 goals if Bishop starts. Getting pretty hard to see Oilers pulling out of this and road trip could seal the deal if they don’t win 3 of the next 4. Getting tougher to remain any level of optimism!

  158. StixMalone says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    That’s really too bad – really needed these two points.

    Back to backs coming up – I give Brossoit the start against the Blues – that was a poor performance by Talbot and he wasn’t good enough against STL last game either.

    Todd is too stubborn and will give Talbot the start to redeem his game. Book it!

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    On to St Louis

    This season has been a major disappointment

    Yes, it has but I will also be pumped up to watch the game on Tuesday.

  160. flyfish1168 says:

    Big difference between this year’s Oilers and last years team is Talbot. He is nowhere near his form of last year.

  161. StixMalone says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, it has but I will also be pumped up to watch the game on Tuesday.

    It will be Maroons first game against the Oilers #tradecoming

  162. saddleblazer says:

    As far as late blooming starters go, Talbot may be more ‘Gerber’ than ‘Thomas’

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    McSorley33:
    We need to be big time sellers at the deadline…..

    Potentially but that is miles away.

    Part of the reason that I’m not really all that emotional about the way this season is going is a one-off bad year could actually set this team up well for the future.

    Given the need for value contracts in the top 6 going forward, I’ve been extremely concerned about been “contenders” and “buyers” at the deadline, sending away futures (prospects/picks) for rentals

    If we are out of it come the deadline, not only will we not weekend our prospect pool, but we should be able to get back some decent assets for Maroon, Letestu and Cammalleri – and in a deep draft as well.

    I’m not ready to accept that process but it is a silver lining.

  164. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar: Potentially but that is miles away.

    Part of the reason that I’m not really all that emotional about the way this season is going is a one-off bad year could actually set this team up well for the future.

    Given the need for value contracts in the top 6 going forward, I’ve been extremely concerned about been “contenders” and “buyers” at the deadline, sending away futures (prospects/picks) for rentals

    If we are out of it come the deadline, not only will we not weekend our prospect pool, but we should be able to get back some decent assets for Maroon, Letestu and Cammalleri – and in a deep draft as well.

    I’m not ready to accept that process but it is a silver lining.

    With that said, I am HIGHLY concerned with our GM making a substantial panic move – trading material futures (Puljijarvi, first rounder) for short term help (rental).

    At this point, while I’ve far from given up on the season, that type of move is simply WAY too risk for my liking.

    I’m not sure what, if anything, can or should be done at this point but I’m worried about a move that is going to give away material future assets.

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    HT Joe:
    McDavid pots another 3 points, so he’s now at 25 points in 20 games, good for a tie for 4th in league scoring.

    Oilers still 3rd last in the league… this is going to be a frustrating season for the young man.

    Yup – 3 points but if he thinks he had a good game then he needs to think again.

    He needs to be better with the puck and better in defensive zone coverage.

    I will give him a bit of a pass on the coverage because that will come with experience but he can’t turn the puck over as much as he has been the last little while, in bad places.

  166. Mr. D. says:

    Was also on ice for 4 goals against….that more concerning.

    HT Joe:
    McDavid pots another 3 points, so he’s now at 25 points in 20 games, good for a tie for 4th in league scoring.

    Oilers still 3rd last in the league… this is going to be a frustrating season for the young man.

  167. Mr. D. says:

    No its only 1 link
    Top 4 d are not doing it.
    Lines 3 and 4 are legally dead.
    Lucic ain’t doing it.

    flyfish1168:
    Big difference between this year’s Oilers and last years team is Talbot. He is nowhere near his form of last year.

  168. fishman says:

    OriginalPouzar: With that said,I am HIGHLY concerned with our GM making a substantial panic move – trading material futures (Puljijarvi, first rounder) for short term help (rental).

    At this point, while I’ve far from given up on the season, that type of move is simply WAY too risk for my liking.

    Totally agree. Now is not the time to give away assets like PJ, D prospects or high picks in 2018 (isn’t this supposed to be a really good draft year????) Focus needs to be on improving our D ( finding a away to get rid of #4 would be a great start) Find cheap wingers to play with 97 and build a second scoring line around 29. Hope Chia is up to the task but a bit skeptical that he has the patience to get it right!

    I’m not sure what, if anything, can or should be done at this point but I’m worried about a move that is going to give away material future assets.

  169. StixMalone says:

    So let’s start looking at this years draft. Should be exciting knowing we are in the lottery AGAIN……

  170. Gerta Rauss says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, it has but I will also be pumped up to watch the game on Tuesday.

    Oh, I’ll be cheering as well…I have to, I’ve been fan of this team since ’79, I’m
    not going to stop now.

    My stance on this season has changed in the last 10 games-they need to just let this
    season play out and see what happens. No major trades trying to salvage this season,
    but an eye toward next season for sure if something comes available (ie:shooter for
    McDavid or a 2RD)

    With whispers of an $82M cap next year, sell big at the deadline, take your lumps this
    year, and retool next summer.

    This team is deficient, and trying to fix this in season isn’t going to be easy

  171. StixMalone says:

    Gerta Rauss: Oh, I’ll be cheering as well…I have to, I’ve been fan of this team since ’79, I’m
    not going to stop now.

    My stance on this season has changed in the last 10 games-they need to just let this
    season play out and see what happens. No major trades trying to salvage this season,
    but an eye toward next season for sure if something comes available (ie:shooter for
    McDavid or a 2RD)

    With whispers of an $82M cap next year, sell big at the deadline, take your lumps this
    year, and retool next summer.

    This team is deficient, and trying to fix this in season isn’t going to be easy

    I think they’ve tried this before like the last 10 years lol

  172. Gerta Rauss says:

    StixMalone: I think they’ve tried this before like the last 10 years lol

    lol

    they need to bring in Tambellini and he can show Chia how to sit on his hands

  173. Evilas says:

    OriginalPouzar</stro

    OriginalPouzar: With that said,I am HIGHLY concerned with our GM making a substantial panic move – trading material futures (Puljijarvi, first rounder) for short term help (rental).

    At this point, while I’ve far from given up on the season, that type of move is simply WAY too risk for my liking.

    I’m not sure what, if anything, can or should be done at this point but I’m worried about a move that is going to give away material future assets.

    I am concerned about this as well.

    I don’t have confidence in the GM’s success with trading high-end players

  174. hags9k says:

    You can’t give up a goal from the corner or from behind the net, every other first period. The league is too tough. It starts from the back end, and Talbot and our top 4 are not good enough right now.

    Not much we can do about it but hope Reg gets back soon.

  175. HT Joe says:

    Mr. D.:
    Was also on ice for 4 goals against….that more concerning.

    Ok, that’s fair. How about this…

    McDavid was actively involved in every goal scored by the Oilers (good).
    McDavid was on the ice for 2/3 of the goals coming the other way (bad).

    When McDavid was off the ice, the Oilers didn’t piss a drop (bad).
    When McDavid was off the ice, the Stars scored 2 goals (bad).

    *EDIT* What I’m really trying to get across is that the team needs more than McDavid. Wouldn’t it be nice if he could consistently rely on secondary scoring and solid goalering?

  176. hags9k says:

    Also if Draisatl and his agent feel like this level of play is worthy of an 8.5M hit, we are in big trouble.

  177. saddleblazer says:

    The season is probably toast. I don’t think Chia is going to trade futures because there’s nothing to gain this season. So we’re sellers. Who can we sell?? Maroon? Strome? Might get a 2nd and 3rd in return. We are in for a loooooong season.

  178. OriginalPouzar says:

    hags9k:
    Also if Draisatl and his agent feel like this level of play is worthy of an 8.5M hit, we are in big trouble.

    97’s play certainly isn’t worth $12.5M but at least that contract doesn’t kick in until next year.

  179. leadfarmer says:

    hags9k:
    Also if Draisatl and his agent feel like this level of play is worthy of an 8.5M hit, we are in big trouble.

    How much are we going to regret that contract

  180. StixMalone says:

    leadfarmer: How much are we going to regret that contract

    I don’t think it has a NMC though…..

  181. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: How much are we going to regret that contract

    I’m going to guess not at all.

    He had a bad game and is going through a bit of a slump. All players do, even generational players (Crosby has been bad to start this season – league worst plus/minus for context).

    There are going to be numerous contracts handed out this summer well over what Drai is making, potentially north of $10M in a few cases.

    Drai has 7.75 years to play up to the value of his contract – a bad stretch of 4-5 games (prior to which he was over a PPG) is really meaningless.

  182. StixMalone says:

    There’s always a dumber GM around. Too bad we have yet to find him……

  183. fishman says:

    97 + 29 did not have the strongest game today (flu?) but Connor did get 3 pts to keep us in the game. I know we are all pretty frustrated about the season so far but would suggest caution about dumping too hard on our two best players who are going to be here a long time! Lets not upset LT!

  184. HT Joe says:

    StixMalone:
    There’s always a dumber GM around. Too bad we have yet to find him……

    We always find the dumber GM, and then Katz hires him. 🙂
    (fine, that’s a low blow, and Chia is far from the dumbest GM we’ve employed)

  185. saddleblazer says:

    StixMalone,

    We thought it was Snow, then he took Chiarelli to the woodshed, twice!!

  186. StixMalone says:

    Still don’t know how that guy in Arizona still has a job. We can gripe about Chia all day long but I’m glad Arizona is not my team……..

  187. hags9k says:

    leadfarmer,

    I’d be seriously looking at a deal for a #1D. Part of the blame is on the coach for not giving him the responsibility the contract demands. Drive the 2nd line! 8.5! Gets to cruise around on the wing while 97 and 93 do the lifting. No wonder we are seeing the cute little lackadaisical 5 foot sauce turnovers.

    I like the player and don’t think he is THE problem. I’m just saying that contract does not match the deployment, or production, and that is a problem. And next year it could be an even bigger one.

  188. OriginalPouzar says:

    StixMalone: I don’t think it has a NMC though…..

    Just in the last few years.

    I have zero worries about Drai and his contract.

    Fans are so short-sighted – a bad few games does not make a player – its an 8 year contract where it will most probably take up a decreasing percentage of the cap year over year and he should be a first line producer throughout its term (and he has been this year despite this slump).

  189. who says:

    This team is not a Stanley Cup favorite anymore, never was in my opinion. We are at least 2 years away from that point. But they are not as bad as they look right now.
    I think they surprised Chia a bit last year and now are taking the dreaded step back. Good thing he signed Macdavid and Drai to the max extensions last summer. They might be a bit more hesitant to commit to 8 years right now.
    Biggest difference from last year is a drop off in play from some of our key players.
    Goal-Talbot has been mediocre at best so far. The Oilers will not win consistently without better goaltending.
    Defense – Sekera out means they are missing their best dman from the regular season last year. Klefbom is playing worse defensively than he did at the start of last season which wasn’t good. Has taken a big step back from his play at the end of last season. Nurse has taken a step forward but that doesn’t make up for the loss of Sekera and the deterioration of Klefbom.
    Forwards – Yes Macdavid is on the same scoring pace as last year but a lot of other NHL forwards are on that same pace or better. He is still the best reason to watch hockey but to my eye he doesn’t seem as consistently dominant as he did at times last year. Like a lot of young skilled forwards he has a lot to learn about defensive zone coverage.
    Drai has become more of a stationary winger rather than the dominant center Chia envisioned. He is getting his points but this player needs to be in the middle of the ice driving play.
    In short, I don’t think this is a personel issue. I think this is a performance and deployment issue. Either way I think this team will have to wait for some of their young players and prospects to mature before they are ready to challenge for a cup.

  190. hags9k says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I’d be right there with you if we already had a complete #1D.

  191. Lewis Grant says:

    Folks, it’s over. This team is not seeing the playoffs this year.

    I’ll continue to enjoy watching McDavid’s superhuman goals, but as far as playoffs go, I think most of my attention will be with the Jets, inasmuch as I even follow sports once the CFL season is done.

    It’s next year country.

  192. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m going to guess not at all.

    He had a bad game and is going through a bit of a slump. All players do, even generational players (Crosby has been bad to start this season – league worst plus/minus for context).

    There are going to be numerous contracts handed out this summer well over what Drai is making, potentially north of $10M in a few cases.

    Drai has 7.75 years to play up to the value of his contract – a bad stretch of 4-5 games (prior to which he was over a PPG) is really meaningless.

    Over ppg with McDavid. Key word with McDavid. You are paying him like a top 10 forward in the league in UFA money. I don’t think he’s better than kucherov stamkos Tavares Eichel Kane Seguin Benn Wheeler Scheiffele Laine Matthews McDavid Crosby Malkin Tarasenko. So why pay him like he is.
    If Caggula puts up points with McDavid are you advocating a big contract. Not saying Drai isn’t a good player but I don’t see why he makes a penny over 7 mil and I personally think that’s a little high

  193. Scungilli Slushy says:

    StixMalone:
    Still don’t know how that guy in Arizona still has a job. We can gripe about Chia all day long but I’m glad Arizona is not my team……..

    What could go wrong with hiring a 26 YO with very little hockey experience at the lower levels of junior hockey as a player and almost none professionally to run a team in the best league in the world?

    Of course canning him now loses face.

  194. GMB3 says:

    leadfarmer,

    Believe it or not there are people on this blog who think 8.5 million is fair value for Drai. Relatively unproven as a center. Rode an unsustainable shooting percentage last year. Got exceptionally hot on the PP. Eerily similar to Eberle prior to his SIX million dollar contract (a large part of the reason we shipped him out for Strome)

  195. Scungilli Slushy says:

    For me this season is mostly on goalering. We talked about the Jets and other teams being torpedoed by it, now we’re back at it. Every team makes mistakes especially young teams, this year they go in too much.

    Time to give Broissoit a stretch, this is where the stubbornness lies. Talbot is off as goalies do some seasons. He’ll probably bounce back but they have given him a shot to get going but he can’t get consistent.

    Sit him for at least a few. Broissoit has shown well, whomever is better should play at any position except 1C because generational gets a pass where others don’t.

  196. GMB3 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: What could go wrong with hiring a 26 YO with very little hockey experience at the lower levels of junior hockey as a player and almost none professionally to run a team in the best league in the world?

    Of course canning him now loses face.

    Did Chiarelli have any pro hockey experience? Chayka took over a terrible team. Chia took over a team with significantly more talent, and we are just as close to Arizona as we are a playoff spot. You know who had a lot of professional hockey experience? Craig Mactavish. And Kevin Lowe. Stan Bowman never played any high level hockey, and he has 3 cups as a GM.

  197. frjohnk says:

    I do agree we don’t have the horses to consider ourselves an elite team and also agree that we probably played over our heads a bit last year, especially in the last month. But its not all bad and I don’t think playoffs are out of reach.

    After 20 games we are 4 points out of 8th. Could be 6 points by tonight though.

    I don’t see why we couldn’t gain 7 extra points compared to 8th place in the next 62 games.

    Many of the shot, scoring chance metrics suggest a poor luck team.

    For example
    At 5 on 5 with McDavid and RNH off the ice
    -3rd line shooting at a 3.6% rate
    -4th line shooting at a 0% rate.

    Yes bottom 6 may not even be league average, but their shooting %’s should change, heck 4th lines %’s can only go up. Just when will it and will it be too late are a couple of things to ponder though.

    What will make or break our season is how well we do against the Pacific. A winning record gives us a pretty good chance to make playoffs. Losing record and we are possibly golfing early.

    Tonnes of games left

  198. flyfish1168 says:

    Mr. D.:
    No its only 1 link
    Top 4 d are not doing it.
    Lines 3 and 4 are legally dead.
    Lucic ain’t doing it.

    I believe certain players had career years and probably never reach that level again. But if you think back Talbot was covering many grade A scoring chances. Our team is generally the same and our core a year closer to prime. That is the worrisome part.

  199. JimmyV1965 says:

    GMB3:
    leadfarmer,

    Believe it or not there are people on this blog who think 8.5 million is fair value for Drai. Relatively unproven as a center. Rode an unsustainable shooting percentage last year. Got exceptionally hot on the PP. Eerily similar to Eberle prior to his SIX million dollar contract (a large part of the reason we shipped him out for Strome)

    If you think Drai and Ebs are anyway similiar, you’re not paying attention.

  200. GMB3 says:

    flyfish1168: I believe certain players had career years and probably never reach that level again. But if you think back Talbot was covering many grade A scoring chances. Our team is generally the same and our core a year closer to prime. That is the worrisome part.

    Look at how much better Colorado is with their #1 D back and better goaltending.

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