Rain Delay

by Lowetide

The RE series I do as preview (and postmortem) each season involves a series of questions and answers from two fans. I stole the idea from Bill James and his wonderful Abstracts. He’d have a “Rain Delay” chapter, often about potential hall of famers. It’s a wonderful trick, it’s kind of a mind exercise. I confess the ‘bold type’ fellow is a collection of you, posters over the decade plus of comments. Here we go.

THE ATHLETIC

The special Lowetide offer is here. I’m getting some questions about content. So, the offer I just linked to is for The Athletic, meaning you have access to Jonathan Willis and BlackDogHatesSkunks and Minnia Feng and Sunil Agnihotri, but also to pieces from people like Tyler Dellow. You can get access to all of the writers and I have to say it’s a massive site. I love the Pronman stuff and also the Lebrun, Duhatschek, Mirtle, et cetera. Brilliant damned site.

I’ll have No. 7 winter prospect up later today or first thing tomorrow. Lots of wingers and defenders have made the list so far, not a goalie or center in sight.

RAIN DELAY

  1. Well, the season is over! Yeah, pretty close.
  2. WAIT, what? I thought you’d say it wasn’t over! Well, we’re probably 10 days from talking trade deadline selloffs and then draft chatter in January. Maybe the club rips off four road wins in a row, but maybe Talbot lets in a goal 90 seconds in.
  3. Take the gaspipe! This is my time to be angry! Oh, I’m sorry. Angry away.
  4.  You promised me a successful season! Ass! I did predict a strong year, slightly less impressive than a year ago. My bad. I’ll do better next year.
  5. This is a very unsatisfactory interaction. If I had a dime for every time…
  6. What went wrong? Well, most of the bets Peter Chiarelli made in summer haven’t worked out yet. Maybe they will long term and perhaps these solutions arrive just in time.
  7. What was that blasted Chiarelli shopping list of yours? Oh, yes. It was (in order) sign McDavid, sign Leon, lose little in the expansion draft, find a second-pairing RH blue with two-way acumen (didn’t do it), find a stopgap replacement for Andrej Sekera (Kris Russell), find a mirror man for Leon (Strome), cap relief (Eberle for Strome).
  8. What bets haven’t worked out? Basically all of them. The penalty killers can’t penalty kill (although it is improving), Ryan Strome and Kris Russell haven’t covered their investment and none of the kid wingers have stepped up. Darnell Nurse has made a step forward and that’s a positive.
  9. Anything else? Yes! Some veterans the team was counting on (Talbot, Letestu) have not delivered as expected.
  10. Anything else else? Injuries (even beyond Sekera) have had a tremendous impact on the team’s fortunes. Even the annual November flu has taken a toll. Leon Draiasitl is an example but there are others.
  11. How much of this is on Todd McLellan? Some, I’d say. He (like every coach) can be stubborn and his special teams are not rocking yet. I don’t blame him for leaving Leon Draisaitl on McDavid’s RW for so long, the combination of injuries and ineffective play forced his hand.
  12. How much of this is on the players? There are many on the roster who are posting numbers well south of career norms, and several youngsters who are failing to grab NHL jobs that are just sitting there. If this team continues to struggle a lot of these men won’t be back.
  13. Like? The kid wingers who aren’t teenagers are in trouble, third and fourth line are going to be looked at closely, they’ll move out some blue.
  14. What is good on this team? I like the top of the batting order among forwards offensively 5×5. Leon Draisaitl (2.63), Connor McDavid (2.45), Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (2.26) and Milan Lucic (2.09) are all posting quality numbers. Patrick Maroon (1.75) is in the range but after that (next up: Ryan Strome, 1.26) the offense dies. It’s like a baseball team with automatic outs after their No. 5 hitter. But the top and heart of the order are quality.
  15. Who do you like on defense? Everyone has their own preferred metric, I like Corsi Rel 5×5. Darnell Nurse (7.77), Yohann Auvitu (3.66) and Eric Gryba (3.34) are in the black. Adam Larsson (-1.72) and Oscar Klefbom (-2.24) are hovering around .500, while Matt Benning (-4.38) and Kris Russell (-6.87) are off the pace.
  16. What about Talbot? He hasn’t been good enough. A .905SP is backup goalie territory. Oilers need more from him, I expect they will get it.
  17. How much of this is on Peter Chiarelli? A lot, this is his club. Many of the bets PC made for this season (Strome, Slepyshev, Yamamoto, Puljujarvi, Slepyshev, Russell, Jokinen) haven’t worked out or have been slow off the mark. He is responsible for the roster.
  18. Will it cost him the general manager’s job? I don’t think it will. The Oilers posted 103 points a season ago, Katz will give both GM and coach one more season to get it right.
  19. Will PC make a trade? He might. If OEL and or Max Pacioretty come available, well that’s a pretty interesting scenario.
  20. Who is on the block? If you’re trading for a big name, it’s going to take multiple pieces.
  21. Three for one! Yes. Oscar, Jesse, the 2018 first rounder, any and all in the system, it’s a limited menu but there is some talent at the front end of the list.
  22. If they flush the general manager, who replaces him? It’s a fairly long list of possibles. Wayne Gretzky, Kevin Lowe, Craig MacTavish, Keith Gretzky, Scott Howson, Bob Green.
  23. Scott Howson doesn’t work for the Oilers. Yes, he does. V-P, Development.
  24. You’re a lying sack of cement! Okay, fine. Have it your way.
  25. Why do you hate Jesse Puljujarvi? I like him a lot, he’s a gigantic PF type and I bet he emerges as a 20-goal man, possibly soon. However, part of the reason Chiarelli dealt Taylor Hall (and Jordan Eberle) was based on the big Finn being able to establish himself as an NHL player with goal-scoring ability. It hasn’t happened yet. That isn’t hatred, that’s observation.
  26. But you would trade him? For a young scoring-winger under control who is more established at the NHL level.
  27. Should PC have drafted Sergachev? Yes. Or Tkachuk. That’s hindsight though, we (I) would have been all over him if the Oilers had passed on Puljujarvi.
  28. Where did you have Sergachev on your list? I had Puljujarvi No. 3 and Sergachev No. 6. Source
  29. What happens at the deadline? If the Oilers are buyers, look out. PC is going to load up ala Kevin Lowe in 2006. If they are sellers, look out the other way. Lots of men flying out of town, and that will be a harbinger of the change we’ll see in summer. If PC stays, some veterans are going to be gone (should the team miss the playoffs).
  30. What one thing can Peter Chiarelli do to appease fans and help the team at the same time? Trade for Taylor Hall.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy show, 10 this morning TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Pierre Lebrun, TSN and The Athletic. Leafs Oh My, Oilers Oh No, Habs Oh My God.
  • Andrew Bucholtz, Awful Annoucing. What a CFL weekend!
  • Jason Gregor, TSN1260. Jason Maas makes a baffling call plus can the Oilers pull out of this tailspin?
  • Corey Graham, TSN1260. Oil Kings complete road trip and are in a world of hurt.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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Jaxon

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): This is still a playoff team. I would bet a lot on it.

Nope. It’s not. If you have a subscription read Dellow on The Athletic. Only 1 of the last 36 teams with less than 17 points at the 20 game mark made the playoff (WSH in 07-08), and that was only because they finished the season with a crazy 11-1 in their final 12. That’s less than 3%. I think it’s time to sell early. Maroon to STL and let them negotiate a contract early to increase return. Letestu? Auvitu? Cammalleri? Stock up on prospects and picks. They’ll need those value contracts in the next few years. It would also increase their chance at “Fallin’ for Dahlin”.

godot10

Cassandra:
Willis nailed it with that article.The athletic is awesome.

Here’s the closing.He’s exactly right.

“In an age of parity, only the really great teams are immune to bad seasons, but the overarching ambition under Chiarelli has never been to build a great team. Instead, the focus has been on building a safe team. The GM has leaked and the coach has sidelined talent in countless instances, in the name of getting bigger and better defensively and cutting a few goals against off the overall team total — even when it means the team has a bigger decline in the goals-for department. It is as if the overall goal was to replicate the Jacques Lemaire Minnesota Wild, except with McDavid as a first-line centre.

We’ve delved deep at the individual level here, but the truth is that this season coming to the brink of failure isn’t the result of individual players. It’s the result of uninspired team-building, which whittled away at the Oilers potential until they were vulnerable enough that a half-dozen players going the wrong way could sink Edmonton into this kind of hole.”

Somebody might have mentioned something about a #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach two years ago! -).

Puljujarvi comes up on fire playing his game from Bakersfield, and McLellan starts telling him to bounce shots off of the goaltenders pads again, and his game goes to pot.

The longer Puljujarvi is near McLellan, the more confused he gets, because he is being asked to play contrary to his offensive instincts. McDavid and Draisaitl don’t listen. Unfortunately, Klefbom listens. Nurse listened to Oates.

OriginalPouzar

Ryan:
OriginalPouzar,

How many hours of sleep do you get at night?

5ish

Jethro Tull

Lowetide:
A reminder this blog is not a place where unsubstantiated rumors should be posted. Please and thanks.

Not even the one about Princess Anne, a labrador and Marilyn Manson?

russ99

Cassandra: This is what I mean about how a rational conversation requires a common language.If you don’t think Hall-RNH-Eberle wasn’t one of the best lines in hockey then you are living in an alternate universe in which words have no meaning.

Communication requires a common language and some common experience.Your views on hockey aren’t simply wrong, they are alien and unintelligible.

Sorry, that was a snarky response. Shouldn’t have done it, we can disagree and still be rational.

I really think the fans are foaming at the mouth over Chia about things other than this current team and this disappointing season.

First – the expectations and hype this summer and fall were out of control. Nothing is owed in professional sports.

Second – The idea that Hall – RNH – Eberle was an elite group of players and Chia sold us down the river or betrayed our rebuild hopes by moving them is a bit overdone. Truth is, they weren’t and aren’t.

Above average – sure, but all three have flaws. Mostly not by their own fault, with the lockout (too easy hockey in the AHL a detriment and not helpful), rotating coaches and systems, poor roster support, paid too much and too soon, bad defense, Eakins, etc.

Obviously a GM is going to be criticized based on his entire tenure, but no matter who took over the Oilers at the end of the rebuild, they’d have done something similar. No GM wanted to give us perceived value for those players and we had to make moves with our at higher level assets to move forward.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

Twinkle in your Father’s JDî,

Heart actually skipped a couple of beats there.

Funny

But not cool 😉

frjohnk

Twinkle in your Father’s JDî:
Draisaitl to the Sharks, as per Stauffer.

for a couple of seconds you had me.
good one

JD_Wry

Draisaitl to the Sharks, as per Stauffer.

frjohnk

Ryan:
OriginalPouzar,

How many hours of sleep do you get at night?

I think he only sleeps in between comments

Ryan

OriginalPouzar,

How many hours of sleep do you get at night?

Cassandra

Willis nailed it with that article. The athletic is awesome.

Here’s the closing. He’s exactly right.

“In an age of parity, only the really great teams are immune to bad seasons, but the overarching ambition under Chiarelli has never been to build a great team. Instead, the focus has been on building a safe team. The GM has leaked and the coach has sidelined talent in countless instances, in the name of getting bigger and better defensively and cutting a few goals against off the overall team total — even when it means the team has a bigger decline in the goals-for department. It is as if the overall goal was to replicate the Jacques Lemaire Minnesota Wild, except with McDavid as a first-line centre.

We’ve delved deep at the individual level here, but the truth is that this season coming to the brink of failure isn’t the result of individual players. It’s the result of uninspired team-building, which whittled away at the Oilers potential until they were vulnerable enough that a half-dozen players going the wrong way could sink Edmonton into this kind of hole.”

Cassandra

Kinger_Oil.redux:
theycallmeBill,

– This is a strong post: it’s a game: props

– And I think so many struggle with how much luck is involved, trying to assign narratives

This could have happened:

– Sleppy really stepped up after the playoffs last year, he’s humming as the W for Drai

– RNH he’s a bum, his best years are past him

– Nurse, he just can’t seem to get it together, no hockey IQ

– Man Drai seems lazy after signing that big contract: brutal

– Kailer might be shooting at 33% I know its not sustainable, but he deserves to stay, his chem with McDavid is awesome, rookie of the year?

– Klef-Larsson are really emerging as an elite top-pairing

– Talbot, he’s really looking like a Vezina G this year: stealing games

Shit happens, then its human nature to make conclusions…We just don’t know, because there is so much variability.So we accept that what the players are doing now was inevitable, and predictable.

If someone hits on 17, then sure they “could have” hit a 4, but that doesn’t mean it was a good bet.

The issue isn’t that Chiarelli made bets concerning an unknown future, everyone accepts that. The issue is, like always, they were terrible bets, that were obviously terrible at the time.

OriginalPouzar

Lowetide:
Oilers No. 7 Prospect Winter 2017: Ostap Safin

https://theathletic.com/160128/2017/11/21/lowetide-oilers-no-7-prospect-winter-2017-ostap-safin/

Oh ya, I love me some Ostap Safin.

Small sample size but, in rookie camp games, he seemed to be the more involved player (vis-a-vis Maksimov) – both made some fantastic offensive plays, mainly with their quick release shots, however, from what I saw, Safin was more engaged on the boards and on the backcheck.

Somewhat meaningless given the sample size.

What is not meaningless is 2nd in the Q in rookie scoring and 1st in shots (not for rookies, overall) – those stats were last week so they may have changed but this player is having a very nice transition to North America and major junior.

I look forward to reading this article a little later today.

Got busy at the office, couple new big deals (thank god) – its great news and good deals but its interfering with my “keeping up on everything Oilers”.

JD_Wry

Lowetide:
A reminder this blog is not a place where unsubstantiated rumors should be posted. Please and thanks.

The Edmonton Oilers are a team in the NHL.

frjohnk

Ryan: Nice post mortem on the season by by young Willis.

https://theathletic.com/161374/2017/11/20/edmontons-failure-through-20-games-is-the-result-of-many-failures-along-the-way/

Nice of him to point out the disconnect between the coach and GM.

Also nice to hear the smoke and mirrors on the second line success.

I previously had an inkling of an idea that McDavid was playing more elite comp to pump nuge’s tires for the inevitable cap dump, however, it sounds like that line has been lucky too.

That was a brilliant article.
Even though many of the numbers we see in the public advanced stats database show the team as being near the top, they dont tell us everything. Young Willis does a fantastic job in delving in further into the numbers and they are not as great.

Im not surprised to see Lucic and RNH as a smoke and mirrors second line. They have had a very good start in the first 20 games numbers wise, but I have had a feeling that it was not sustainable. Having the second line getting outchanced does not spell good depth. Not having a good RW is a part of it though.

“heavy hockey” is hurting this team. Those players are taking too many penalties and not enough being drawn. Its costing the team points.

Kinger_Oil.redux

OmJo: And that’s why you don’t make too many bets at once.

I’m just not sure if the casino in this story is the organization or the fans. Right now I think it’s the fans.

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– This is my take as well. Joki was a good bet. I thought the Ebs/Strome made sense, and Strome is doing what was expected, and others would score

– If Klef improved rather than regress we'd be humming

– Instead Nurse did

– Talbot hasn't been great, but Brossoit played his best game

– If one of Sleppy/Cags/Pool/Kailer worked with McD we'd be humming

– If another bona-fide top-4 D came in, you have no more money, and you don't get to give Nurse/Benning chances to move up, then what do you do, or if that D doesn't work you pooched?

– Have to give Jar-Jar and Pak reps. You get the next Hendricks at deadline if need be

– I means sure, Chia should have got another top-4 D, and another winger who could play with skill, and his bottom-6 needed to not shoot 0%,and a better back-up G but there are trade-offs,

– I want a house a cottage, a place on a beach, another porsche and a ski chalet. And I know my wife would be happier and my life would be better, but you can't accumulate everything at once.

– It hasn't worked out, but it easily could have. GM will see this, and reload

– As you say: he can't blow his wad, go back to the house and ask for more, doesn't work that way

JD_Wry

OriginalPouzar: Tonight its a game where they just need to find a way to grab a point or two.

I think they should employ the Yak Strategy: Score more goals, win.

See you later.

JD_Wry

OriginalPouzar: Yes another opportunity for the boys to right the ship.

And hopefully not ripe the shit!

OriginalPouzar

Anyone else here excited for a solid 60 minute performance from our team tonight – all 18 skaters and the starting tender?

Most of me thinks Brossoit should get the start (he needs to start either today or tomorrow one would think) but part of me also thinks that a comeback game from Talbot would be best for the team going forward.

I will take a solid performance from Brossoit tonight giving the team a chance to win and then a come-back performance from Talbot tomorrow – both parlaying it in to 7 points in the last 4 games of this trip.

Go Oilers!

OriginalPouzar

Game Day!

Yes another opportunity for the boys to right the ship.

Last time we played STL (last week), the boys were seemingly playing better hockey and it was a “test game”.

Tonight its a game where they just need to find a way to grab a point or two.

Hopefully McDavid is able to play and feeling better and the flu isn’t ravaging the team too much.

Wonder who starts in goal?

JD_Wry

BnP really going to town on the old twitbox:

Chairelli and McLellan were at odds about @jeberle_7 trade McLellan was worried about losing the leadership he brought…..APG

Talks with Maroon are currently off and his name has come up in discussions…..APG

Could also see some movement within the organization…….APG

Todd McLellan is not going anywhere he’s a Nicholson hire…. But PC on a short leash……APG

Scungilli Slushy: Williams would have been a great add, but he also has to want to sign. I think he wanted to go back to Carolina.

Absolutely. Not saying he would have for sure.
But our summer felt like purgatory until Drai got signed. And that was a monster RFA contract.

Paying for him as 1RW vs 2C was a major concern since last year and it came back to bite us in a few ways.

OmJo

Kinger_Oil.redux:
theycallmeBill,

– This is a strong post: it’s a game: props

– And I think so many struggle with how much luck is involved, trying to assign narratives

This could have happened:

– Sleppy really stepped up after the playoffs last year, he’s humming as the W for Drai

– RNH he’s a bum, his best years are past him

– Nurse, he just can’t seem to get it together, no hockey IQ

– Man Drai seems lazy after signing that big contract: brutal

– Kailer might be shooting at 33% I know its not sustainable, but he deserves to stay, his chem with McDavid is awesome, rookie of the year?

– Klef-Larsson are really emerging as an elite top-pairing

– Talbot, he’s really looking like a Vezina G this year: stealing games

Shit happens, then its human nature to make conclusions…We just don’t know, because there is so much variability.So we accept that what the players are doing now was inevitable, and predictable.

And that’s why you don’t make too many bets at once.

Look at it this way… Chiarelli is at a casino. He bets all his money, and loses it all (well… Most of it). If he goes to the casino and tells them he just had a string of bad luck and wants his money back, what would the casino do? They’d say tough luck and boot him out.

I’m just not sure if the casino in this story is the organization or the fans. Right now I think it’s the fans.

I hope this makes sense. Been a long day and I just got off work so I could just be rambling right now.

Scungilli Slushy

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
Those who were around then will know I called Chia an average GM. I believed that to be true even when the team overachiebed last year. I still think that now.

We had so many years of awful GMs he seemed like a godsend to us.

We can’t seriously be blaming him for selecting Puljujarvi. Everyone was shocked he fell to us.

Yes, Reinhart was awful and many of us knew it at the time.

Hall trade we will never agree on.

But Kassian was fine. Talbot was great. So was Maroon.

Jokinen Pouliot Schultz Yak looking weak but a culture change was needed.

You know what we still have? An average NHL GM.

This is still a playoff team. I would bet a lot on it.

That said I wanted Justin Williams this summer. People said the young guns were ready. He has as many goals and points as Nuge and we all love Nuge again.

Run Nuge-McDavid-RW / Lucic-Leon-RW / Maroon-Strome-RW

Split the scoring evenly and load up on PP and 4 v 4.

Williams would have been a great add, but he also has to want to sign. I think he wanted to go back to Carolina.

JimmyV1965: I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed.I could see him doing Boone Jenner and Murray for RNH.

While mildly better, the uproar would still be enormous as Jenner was another popular pick among Oiler fans in the 2nd round (along with the free-falling Brandon Saad).

Instead, much to everyone’s chagrin at the time we selected David Musil.

JimmyV1965

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): It was tongue in cheek. Not gonna happen. Just saying could you imagine the uproar.

I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed. I could see him doing Boone Jenner and Murray for RNH.

Ryan

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): It was tongue in cheek. Not gonna happen. Just saying could you imagine the uproar.

Nice post mortem on the season by by young Willis.

https://theathletic.com/161374/2017/11/20/edmontons-failure-through-20-games-is-the-result-of-many-failures-along-the-way/

Nice of him to point out the disconnect between the coach and GM.

Also nice to hear the smoke and mirrors on the second line success.

I previously had an inkling of an idea that McDavid was playing more elite comp to pump nuge’s tires for the inevitable cap dump, however, it sounds like that line has been lucky too.

JimmyV1965: I’m not a huge Chia fan but even I don’t think he would ever do that deal.

It was tongue in cheek. Not gonna happen. Just saying could you imagine the uproar.

Kinger_Oil.redux

theycallmeBill,

– This is a strong post: it’s a game: props

– And I think so many struggle with how much luck is involved, trying to assign narratives

This could have happened:

– Sleppy really stepped up after the playoffs last year, he’s humming as the W for Drai

– RNH he’s a bum, his best years are past him

– Nurse, he just can’t seem to get it together, no hockey IQ

– Man Drai seems lazy after signing that big contract: brutal

– Kailer might be shooting at 33% I know its not sustainable, but he deserves to stay, his chem with McDavid is awesome, rookie of the year?

– Klef-Larsson are really emerging as an elite top-pairing

– Talbot, he’s really looking like a Vezina G this year: stealing games

Shit happens, then its human nature to make conclusions…We just don’t know, because there is so much variability. So we accept that what the players are doing now was inevitable, and predictable.

OmJo

theycallmeBill: What I was/am trying to get across is, how many of us(fans) could and would do a better job managing a NHL team

I had lots of success back when I used to play EAs NHL series!

JimmyV1965

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
Columbus is looking for a top 6 C. Cue the Nuge for Savard or Murray rumours.

Can you imagine the meltdown here?
Hall
Nuge over Larsson.
Trade Hall for Larsson.
Yakupov over Murray.
Trade Nuge for Murray.

Kingsway would burn.

I’m not a huge Chia fan but even I don’t think he would ever do that deal.

Bill

I don’t really think your taking in account the people that were bemoaning Chia before last years success and still continue throughout to this day. Patience and time with Chia at the helm could cripple this teams prospect at being a cup contender year in and year out.

Point taken and completely understood.
But… if it’s not Chiarelli’s supposed failure, it was MacTavish that was to blame or Lowe’s fault. What I was/am trying to get across is, how many of us(fans) could and would do a better job managing a NHL team? We all have favourite players and ones we detest, yet it’s a thankless job. Heck, look at Boston. They were certain it was all China’s fault, Sweeney and Neely were going to duplicate magic and Cups would be abound.
It is awesome that we as fans can become so enamoured cheering the good times and heartbroken and angry when the team is not performing. But the pure vitriol that gets thrown around like a blind man throwing grenades isn’t helpful to anyone in the long run. Coaches, GM’s, players, they are human. Mistakes are made. Success leads to high expectations. It is a game. One WE all love. At the end of the day, win or lose, it is a game.
Does a game mean so much that it’s the norm to question a man’s(or men’s) intelligence and worth?
Sometimes, we just let a game overtake what’s important is all.
Perhaps I am horribly wrong.

JimmyV1965

Connoreah:
frjohnk,

I think it makes sense. Our GM lost the Hall trade, but in doing so made the team better. Arguably, he also lost the Eberle trade in order to free up cap space, which depending what he eventually does with that cap space could make the team better. I’m less convinced the 2nd one was necessary.

The point I’m trying to make is that, given the position Chia was in when he took over, he had zero leverage in any trade with any GM in the league. Every GM knew he did not have an NHL defence, that he was under intense pressure to turn the team around immediately, and that he had a surplus of fast offensive wingers. My question to Cassandra is, would any GM have been able to do better in Chia’s position? Possibly, but in my personal opinion, it’s hard to paint Chia as “the worst GM in the league” because you don’t like Lucic and you love Hall.

No offence, but I really dislike the argument that he had to accept less because every GM knew he had to make a deal. It’s all conjecture and highly unlikely.

JimmyV1965

OriginalPouzar: We are taking about a world where his cap hit is $2M higher than the next highest cap hit.

In order to provide value for that contract, just being in contention for the Art Ross is not enough.

The contract provides a huge premium over the next highest for him to perform as, hands down, the best player in the league.

He was that last year, he hasn’t been that so far this year.He very well may end up as that this year and every year for the next 8 but, as of now, he’s only been among the better players in the league and probably wouldn’t be in contention for the Hart.

Every other player with a big contract gets compared to his contract comparables – McDavid doesn’t even have any contract comparables as he’s materially higher than the next.

I don’t expect many (any) to agree with me on this – I’m one of the few that actually thought his contract was too high when he signed it as I compare it to the other contracts in the league.

With all that said, very soon there will be contracts that are greater than $10.5M so the delta between him and everyone else won’t be so big.

If you want to compare contracts I think you have to compare percentage of cap at the time of signing.

GMB3

theycallmeBill:
9 out of 10 Oilers fans/armchair GM’s are in full on panic/sitting on the angry chair this season so far. By current observations, Chiarelli shouldn’t be the GM of a kids road hockey team, due to his supposed incompetence. Taylor Hall would have delivered 10 Stanley Cups(McDavid be damned!) Lucic is worth a 7th round pick…
Fans, media folk and doubters far and wide seem to have their collective minds already made up, this team sucks.
What we experienced last year was an utter anomaly, the Oilers will never, ever make the promised land of the playoffs again!

Chiarelli is scouting Bud/CLB…
McDavid, Klefbom to Buffalo for Eichel and Ristolainen
Call Shero up in NJ, beg, borrow and plead to trade Hall back; send Larsson, Yamamoto, Puljujarvi, Russell(because the man can’t play hockey, RIGHT OILER FANS?!?)
When all of this is said and done, Fire Chia, name MacT GM for life, give Eakins a call to see if he’d be game to take over(only after the ink has dried on a 25 year contract, sans doughnuts).
Pretty sure all would be kosher, nirvana like in Edmonton.

Sarcasm aside, I more than completely understand the angst and frustration. Hell I was nutty enough to go with the Oil finishing with well over a 100pts, but things don’t exactly go as we hope now do they?
I’m not ready to give the team, management or the fans Last Rites over a unexpected glitch in the system. It takes time. Patience. Good with the bad.

I don’t really think your taking in account the people that were bemoaning Chia before last years success and still continue throughout to this day. Patience and time with Chia at the helm could cripple this teams prospect at being a cup contender year in and year out.

Bill

9 out of 10 Oilers fans/armchair GM’s are in full on panic/sitting on the angry chair this season so far. By current observations, Chiarelli shouldn’t be the GM of a kids road hockey team, due to his supposed incompetence. Taylor Hall would have delivered 10 Stanley Cups(McDavid be damned!) Lucic is worth a 7th round pick…
Fans, media folk and doubters far and wide seem to have their collective minds already made up, this team sucks.
What we experienced last year was an utter anomaly, the Oilers will never, ever make the promised land of the playoffs again!

Chiarelli is scouting Bud/CLB…
McDavid, Klefbom to Buffalo for Eichel and Ristolainen
Call Shero up in NJ, beg, borrow and plead to trade Hall back; send Larsson, Yamamoto, Puljujarvi, Russell(because the man can’t play hockey, RIGHT OILER FANS?!?)
When all of this is said and done, Fire Chia, name MacT GM for life, give Eakins a call to see if he’d be game to take over(only after the ink has dried on a 25 year contract, sans doughnuts).
Pretty sure all would be kosher, nirvana like in Edmonton.

Sarcasm aside, I more than completely understand the angst and frustration. Hell I was nutty enough to go with the Oil finishing with well over a 100pts, but things don’t exactly go as we hope now do they?
I’m not ready to give the team, management or the fans Last Rites over a unexpected glitch in the system. It takes time. Patience. Good with the bad.

leadfarmer

Connoreah: Not trying to be an ass, but by doubling his points do you mean he got 1 point in LA so far? He had 1 with the Oilers if memory serves…?

He has 2 points in his 3 games in LA after 1 point in 14 games here

leadfarmer

OmJo:
frjohnk,

4-4-2 in their last 10, they’ve won 3 in a row.

Goalies goalering. It is a thing

OmJo

frjohnk,

4-4-2 in their last 10, they’ve won 3 in a row.

Those who were around then will know I called Chia an average GM. I believed that to be true even when the team overachiebed last year. I still think that now.

We had so many years of awful GMs he seemed like a godsend to us.

We can’t seriously be blaming him for selecting Puljujarvi. Everyone was shocked he fell to us.

Yes, Reinhart was awful and many of us knew it at the time.

Hall trade we will never agree on.

But Kassian was fine. Talbot was great. So was Maroon.

Jokinen Pouliot Schultz Yak looking weak but a culture change was needed.

You know what we still have? An average NHL GM.

This is still a playoff team. I would bet a lot on it.

That said I wanted Justin Williams this summer. People said the young guns were ready. He has as many goals and points as Nuge and we all love Nuge again.

Run Nuge-McDavid-RW / Lucic-Leon-RW / Maroon-Strome-RW

Split the scoring evenly and load up on PP and 4 v 4.

frjohnk

We have 3 games in hand

But how in the FOOK did Arizona get within 3 points of us?

At one point they were on pace to be worse than the Avs last year.

Surrey Oiler

Chia needs to make a splash, bring in Evander Kane or Price/Patches…send whoever packing…

hunter1909

Sad when all there is to do is check to see where Connor McDavid’s at in the Art Ross race.

stush18

frjohnk: I hope you are right, but the eye test is telling me it wont happen

Probably should just stick with looking at stats ?

Haha I’m sure it will.

He is consistently in his craft. I’m sure it will continue for a couple years.

OriginalPouzar

I am looking forward to the on-ice results start to reflect the underlying advanced metrics in terms of goal share – the only stat that matters at the end of each game.

This is bound to happen, is it not?

Stupid LAK…..

Dicky94

leadfarmer,

Pouliot?

--hudson--

leadfarmer:
At some point we must acknowledge that we cant just blame the roster make-up of this team when a team formed mostly from scraps is for the most part leading the division (1 point back 2 games in hand).
Jokinen in his first 3 games doubled his point output while Cammalleri has no points.

You mean he got 1 assist on a Drew Doughty power play goal 😉

It’s a lot easier to double 1 point than it is to double 7. Actually I wouldn’t mind seeing Cammaleri on the first power play for a game to see what he can do.