(Four) Buffalo Soldiers

by Lowetide

The World Juniors get underway later today in Buffalo, with the big early game featuring Canada versus Finland. The Oilers have four prospects in the tournament this year.

  • Czech R Ostap Safin, Saint-John Sea Dogs (QMJHL) 33gp, 13-19-32 (127 shots) (.970)
  • USA R Kailer Yamamoto, Spokane Chiefs (WHL) 13gp, 2-10-12 (32 shots) (.923)
  • Finland RC Aapeli Rasanen, Boston College (NCAA) 18gp, 3-7-10 (28 shots) (.556)
  • Russia LD Dmitri Samorukov, Guelph Storm (OHL) 32gp, 4-11-15 (73 shots) (.469)

It’s Russia versus Czech, Canada versus Finland and USA versus Denmark today, so all four men should get playing time during the first day of competition.

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1984

In the January 13, 1984 edition of The Hockey News, chief scout Barry Fraser was asked to list Edmonton’s top five prospects (in no specific order). He named Raimo Summanen (playing in Finland), Gord Sherven (Canada’s Olympic team), Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds LW Steve Graves, and junior defenders Jeff Beukeboom and Jim Playfair. He did not include Esa Tikkanen as one of the Top Five, but did mention him later in the interview.

  • Barry Fraser: “He’s much the same as Summanen, I would say he’s ahead of where Summanen was at this stage of his career. He’s kind of a hard-nosed kid, too.” 

First, the obvious. Esa Tikkanen, now as then, has never been much the same as anyone on planet earth. He is an original, and was a unique player. That said, in terms of being NHL-ready in January 1984, Summanen was probably the better fit. Long term? It was pretty obvious Tikkanen had the potential to have more impact. He was almost as good, playing in the same league while also being three years younger in 1983-83. At that point in their careers, both Summanen and Tikkanen were playing in the Sm-Liiga, Finland’s highest pro league.

  • Raimo Summanen (age 21) Ilves Tampere 37gp, 28-19-47 (1.27)
  • Esa Tikkanen (age 18) HIFK Helsinki 36gp, 11-19-30 (.833)

Summanen came over late that spring, went 2gp, 1-4-5 in the regular season and 5gp, 1-4-5 in the playoffs (Oilers won its first Stanley that year). He had a massive impact in the 1981 WJ’s (7gp, 7-9-16) at age 19. Tikkanen came over the following spring, playing zero regular season games and three in the playoffs. He played in three WJ’s, his age 19 run (7gp, 7-12-19) slightly better than Summanen’s at the same age.

In total, Tikkanen played three WJ’s, going 21, 17-18-35; Summanen played just the one year. Point being, the WJ’s do matter—if a prospect plays for a substantial nation at 17 that’s a terrific arrow—and age is an important part of the equation.

  • Dmitri Samorukov: 18 years, 6 months, 10 days (0 WJ games)
  • Ostap Safin: 18 years, 10 months, 15 days (0 WJ games)
  • Kailer Yamamoto: 19 years, 2 months, 28 days (0 WJ games)
  • Aapeli Rasanen: 19 years, 6 months, 25 days (6gp, 2-4-6 a year ago)

OILERS MONTH BY MONTH, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0, goal differential -7
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-2-0, goal differential +10
  • Oilers in October 2017: 3-6-1, goal differential -11

If you’re looking for a “Johnson Rod” moment for this season, October is a good place to start. Oilers won the first game and looked poor in G2 Vancouver. The month didn’t so much progress as unravel. The result was a hole the team is just now getting out of, midway through the campaign.

  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2, goal differential -6
  • Oilers in November 2016: 5-8-2, goal differential -3
  • Oilers in Novmber 2017: 7-8-1, goal differential -5

Edmonton stopped the bleeding in November but couldn’t gather enough momentum to climb closer to “Bettman .500” for the year. It put them in a slightly larger hole, meaning December needed to be a strong month.

  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1, goal differential -9
  • Oilers in December 2016: 6-2-4, goal differential +1
  • Oilers in December 2017 (so far): 7-3-0, goal differential +11

This has a chance to be a strong recovery month, the final three games of December holding great importance for the rest of the year.

  • Oilers after 36, 2015: 15-18-3, goal differential -18 (33 points)
  • Oilers after 36, 2016: 18-12-6, goal differential +8 (42 points)
  • Oilers after 36, 2017: 17-17-2, goal differential -4 (36 points)

Edmonton could finish the month with 20 wins (would need to win all three games this week). That seems a distant bell, especially the 27th game in Winnipeg. It will feature an early morning flight on game day and the road team often has a more difficult time than the home side on these “return from turkey and family” games. More tomorrow.

 

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Professor Q

Lucinius:
That first Canada goal shouldn’t have counted. Ugly decision.

Nor should they have gotten away with the sweeping out of the Finland goal. Penalty shot at least (or an automatic goal – it was over the line, after all).

Professor Q

who:
Wonder if anyone has drafted number 3 from Denmark. Big kid seems to skate pretty good.

The Red Wings drafted him in the 4th round in 2017. Denmark has 4 drafted players this year.

GMB3

OriginalPouzar:
It doesn’t make sense to me to compare teams directly with other teams in the sense of “they didn’t need X or Y so we don’t need X or Y).

Just because the PIT team was structured a certain way to win does not mean our team needs to be (or can be) structured the same way.

Maybe PIt didn’t need a few “face punchers” like Maroon and Lucic to win but maybe EDM does?

Our strengths are different than PIT’s.What are our strengths? Depth down the middle, rolling 2 solid top D pairs that can play tough minutes (no top pair then drop off) and being a big, tough and skilled team that is tough to play against.

Maroon is part of that third tranche.No, he’s not untradeable, of course not, but deleting him from the roster does weaken us in an area of strength and that separates us from other teams.

If he aren’t right in the playoff hunt in February, he needs to be sold.Also, I don’t see us being able to keep him next season due to cap reasons.His offence needs to be replaced cheaper than he will sign for but we will lose something that separates us from other teams.

Just your morning reminder that we are in 24th place, and have yet to win anything. One of our weaknesses is our depth down the wings. I don’t understand how “tough to play against” only means physical. Once again, Pittsburgh had success without any need for any face punchers, I imagine San Jose and Nashville found them tough to play against.

As Edmonton Oiler fans we love to emotionally attach ourselves to the blue collar, rough and tumble players, yet it’s a position of strength for this team and it would be nice to make a trade where we aren’t robbing Peter to pay Paul. And FWIW, I like maroon as a player, but this is a team that could use more speed and skill, and a shooter.

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NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
Evilas,

In other words, it works. My rent for a house costs less than rent for one bedroom apartment in downtown Vancouver.

But the countryside is still the best, like anywhere else. Tonight I sleep on a futon after a soak in the hot spring, next to a mountain river. The only sound is the water, the heron in the night, and the hum of the stove.

Thanks for sharing “GB”

You reminded me that I feel Japan is an island quite different than rest of Asia and different than rest of the world. In a Vietnam big city if there is no big construction noise, honking motocycle horns, cutting tiles on the street or loud people noise for more than a minute we would get a little bit worried here.

I remember the difference in Japan.. and I noticed a big sign outside a construction site. Asked what is this sign with the number keeps changing. They said it was a decibel recorder, if noise gets too high they get in trouble and have to pay a fine. I am not in Asia anymore am I?!!

One building was fitted with a giant insulated sweater so it wouldn’t make any noise for the nearbye neighbours as they did work on it. Would any other country in Asia have these strong standards against noise? Haha.

I have probably 50+ crazy stories like this my 4 experiences working and travelling in Japan. Can’t count how many times I burst out laughing so many times in awe at the differences there.

One time I screamed when they I realized they had electrical shock saunas where the heat and the electrical charge cleaned every ounce of dirt off my body and cooked me alive before I slowly escaped. The old grandpas laughing at me for being so naive/weak while they soaked up the voltage. Haha.

It is in my top 2 places in the world to travel. Only India can trump it because India has so many highs/lows/challenges every minute that you don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

Back to Japan: If you haven’t been to Japan book it in 2018 cause it is the closest to going to another planet as you will have on Planet Earth.

Buy a 30 Day Japan Rail Pass in your country and travel unlimited on most bullet trains and all trains for a fraction of the price with experiences that are priceless.

Like the Gentleman Backpacker says don’t be scared to people saying it is too pricey…it could be the best value in Asia. (except for tropical fruit like Durina–that ain’t cheap and I gorge on mangos, durians and fresh fruit when I arrive back to Vietnam)

Japan is an Island on a different planet!

See you GB in Tokyo in March if you are there.

Evilas- get to the Countryside or Japan quick before you go stirfriedcrazy. 😉

Evilas,

It all depends where you live. I live in Tokyo but I know where to live. I live in a residential neighbourhood next to a small park and directly on a pedestrian only walking path. It is so quiet. No cars no honking. Everything I need is found within a 10 minute walking radius. A head of lettuce costs 15 cents. A basket of tomatoes a dollar. 24 mandarin oranges 5 bucks. A bag of potatoes a dollar and a quarter.

I have maybe 300 restaurant options within walking distance and I am a 4-minute, 2-stop subway ride away from the Times Square equivalent that is Shibuya.

In other words, it works. My rent for a house costs less than rent for one bedroom apartment in downtown Vancouver.

But the countryside is still the best, like anywhere else. Tonight I sleep on a futon after a soak in the hot spring, next to a mountain river. The only sound is the water, the heron in the night, and the hum of the stove.

€√¥£€^$

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
Evilas,

Would ask if I could please have some of what you are smoking but I am pretty sure that it would be illegal in Japan. ?

I know right?

But it is more likely related to the lead paint that has slowly been killing me, the tainted dog meat (which everyone wants me to eat, but they call it “beef” here in China) and when combined with the tinnitus that I have now developed (my god the honking of horns is nutty, I swear that most Chinese must be half deaf, they sure do like their noise – how is the noise level in Japan? I am a country boy, love the quiet), it’s all just causing me to hallucinate.

#freekarlsson!!!!

Evilas,

Would ask if I could please have some of what you are smoking but I am pretty sure that it would be illegal in Japan. 😉

€√¥£€^$

Fantasy Time here folks. The Letang talk and all the other discussion surrounding Karlsson and Pittsburgh moving players had me wondering if Melnyk would really go for this.

So rather than a 3 for 1, how about this for an unlikely massive 4 team trade?

*Bear with me here. Here are the facts:
1. Duchene was traded for a bonafide skilled NHL Centerman plus a boatload of picks and prospects to be a #1 Center and he is seriously shitting the bed. And it’s not the rabbit-pebbles that you mistake for Saskatoon berries sometimes and then realize they’re not until it’s too late kind of feces….I am talkin about serious bed-shitting, when I say bed-shitting I am talking about elephant-diarrhea plops here!! I am sure they would love to cut their losses and recoup some of what they gave up for him.
2. Pittsburgh would take him in a heartbeat.
3. Ottawa will be losing Karlsson, a stud RHD in the next 2 years; Letang is a stud RHD with 6 years remaining on his deal.
4. Klefbom is dreamy, Ottawa would like him on their team and his cap hit is palatable and he has 5 yrs left on his deal.
6. Montreal is a desperate team and would happily take Letang and Cole for Petry & Lehkonen.
7. Melnyk is bat-shit crazy. Everybody wins!!!!

To Edmonton:
Karlsson
Hoffman ($1.5 million retained)
Pageau
Sheahan
Condon
Pittsburgh’s 2019 3rd

To Montreal:
Letang
Cole

To Ottawa:
Petry
Klefbom
Strome
Lehkonen
Brossoit
Sprong
Pittsburgh’s 2018 2nd
Edmonton’s 2018 2nd
2019 1st & 3rd
Montreal’s 2018 2nd – from Chicago
2019 2nd

To Pittsburgh:
Duchene
Letestu
Caggiula
Benning
Rodewald
——————————————-
If I were TMac the lineup would look like this:

The Hoff-CMD-Slepy #freeslepy 🙂
19-93- Pageau
27-29-98 Give JP the soft parade, I think he is not ready to take on the toughs
16-Sheahan-44
13 – Cammalleri should not be an every day player, put him in every 3rd or 4th game…..

25-65
88-5
2-4
81/63

Talbot
Condon

Sheahan and Pageau are good at face-offs and most importantly are effective PKers, IMO upgrades to the personnel they’d be replacing in those disciplines.

PKers: Nuge, CMD, Khaira, Draisaitl, Kassian, Pageau, Sheehan and why not Puljujarvi? 8 fwds for PK duties and 6 of them, well 5 are decent at face-offs. Plus Erik Karlsson.

This team would be faster, and most importantly Erik Freeeeekin Karlsson!!!!

With Karlsson alone I think the PP would also see massive improvement.

There you go, get ‘er done Chia Pete and Bam! Stanley Cup, yes?

So to summarize:

Erik Freaking Karlsson

Okay, my work here is done, feel free to discuss amongst yourselves 🙂

JimmyV1965

OriginalPouzar:
It doesn’t make sense to me to compare teams directly with other teams in the sense of “they didn’t need X or Y so we don’t need X or Y).

Just because the PIT team was structured a certain way to win does not mean our team needs to be (or can be) structured the same way.

Maybe PIt didn’t need a few “face punchers” like Maroon and Lucic to win but maybe EDM does?

Our strengths are different than PIT’s.What are our strengths? Depth down the middle, rolling 2 solid top D pairs that can play tough minutes (no top pair then drop off) and being a big, tough and skilled team that is tough to play against.

Maroon is part of that third tranche.No, he’s not untradeable, of course not, but deleting him from the roster does weaken us in an area of strength and that separates us from other teams.

If he aren’t right in the playoff hunt in February, he needs to be sold.Also, I don’t see us being able to keep him next season due to cap reasons.His offence needs to be replaced cheaper than he will sign for but we will lose something that separates us from other teams.

Thank you. Well said.

JimmyV1965

GMB3: You have a massive hard on for people who can body check and face punch we get it. Let’s not forget who Maroon has been over his career. A third/fourth line guy with some skill.

How many face punchers did Pittsburgh employ on their way to two cups in a row? We have Lucic, Kassian, Nurse, Khaira. If trading Maroon can get us a winger who is a better scorer, better overall player, then we should do it.

How do you think benning is so worthless but Maroon is so good? He’s a middle six guy who caught lightning in a bottle alongside McDavid. Work ethic has been the knock his entire career and you still can see signs of it today.

Trading for Maroon makes some sense for Ottawa as they are struggling financially (this has been brought up around 780 times over the last few week).

That’s an absolutely ridiculous thing to accuse me of. I like Maroon because he brings something to the table, not because he’s a face puncher. I have concerns about Benning because he’s had some very awful games. He’s been better lately.

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Maroon vs. Hoffman

How can we trade the guy that puts the smile on McDavid’s face, makes us cry with his emotional interviews and turns the game around by making both teams laugh with his beard stroking? There are many intangibles that Maroon brings to the game and we don’t even know the ones he creates INSIDE the locker room, on airplanes and roadtrips. I know analytics might favour Hoffman although the team spirit is something that cannot be measured or forgotten.

Can Hoffman bring this HEART? 0.23 and 0.59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ath5E3oyGbo

JimmyV1965: What I don’t get is the willingness of some people to trade Maroon. He might be slower than most but he actually has some skills. I get it if we’re out of the playoffs, but if we even have a sniff of the postseason, we absolutely need this guy.I like Hoffman and everything, but why in the world would you include Maroon in the deal? And why the hell would Ottawa want a 29 year old pending UFA?

In answer to your last question, so that they can trade Maroon themselves at the deadline for a 2nd round pick. If the Oilers sent Maroon, a prospect and a 2nd for Hoffman it would effectively be two 2nds and a prospect for the Sens.

Note, unless the return is a 1st rounder I am not for trading Maroon.
I would happily keep him and run
Hoffman-McDavid-Pulju
Lucic-Nuge-Cammy/Caggiula
Maroon-Drai-Strome
Khaira-Letestu-Kassian
Slepy

But the bonuses are an issue for next year so no doubt a salary needs to go out. To me RW is still the bigger need.

hunter1909: Yes the revisionists.

These revisionists used to defend Craig McTavish. While defending the “strategy” of middling draft teams(Oilers cough) to target smaller, skilled players with the clear expectation that the referees would call so many powerplays if any other NHL team ever tried to mess with them, that it wouldn’t even be funny etc.

The revisionists then had to move on from MacT post Eakins; but then managed to attatch themselves to fancy stats, lol

They also love to trade away physically strong players since they place no value in them, like Lucic who to them is nothing more than a $4. million over paid freak.

Ditto Maroon, ditto Kassian, Nurse is nothing but near waiver fodder to these revisionists.

Curious who said Nurse is waiver fodder?

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Hey Lowetide,

For a new years…can I request that I would love to hear a review of your 2017 and preview of 2018. A year ago did you expect to be writing for the Athletic?

10 years ago did you expect to be on radio and have this community you built? 20 years ago could you see the internet changing how you lived and interacted with Oilers and your musical playlist.

Looking back and forward can you connect the dots of how your life would be strung and strummed together?

Dylan

OriginalPouzar

It doesn’t make sense to me to compare teams directly with other teams in the sense of “they didn’t need X or Y so we don’t need X or Y).

Just because the PIT team was structured a certain way to win does not mean our team needs to be (or can be) structured the same way.

Maybe PIt didn’t need a few “face punchers” like Maroon and Lucic to win but maybe EDM does?

Our strengths are different than PIT’s. What are our strengths? Depth down the middle, rolling 2 solid top D pairs that can play tough minutes (no top pair then drop off) and being a big, tough and skilled team that is tough to play against.

Maroon is part of that third tranche. No, he’s not untradeable, of course not, but deleting him from the roster does weaken us in an area of strength and that separates us from other teams.

If he aren’t right in the playoff hunt in February, he needs to be sold. Also, I don’t see us being able to keep him next season due to cap reasons. His offence needs to be replaced cheaper than he will sign for but we will lose something that separates us from other teams.

GMB3

JimmyV1965: What I don’t get is the willingness of some people to trade Maroon. He might be slower than most but he actually has some skills. I get it if we’re out of the playoffs, but if we even have a sniff of the postseason, we absolutely need this guy.I like Hoffman and everything, but why in the world would you include Maroon in the deal? And why the hell would Ottawa want a 29 year old pending UFA?

You have a massive hard on for people who can body check and face punch we get it. Let’s not forget who Maroon has been over his career. A third/fourth line guy with some skill.

How many face punchers did Pittsburgh employ on their way to two cups in a row? We have Lucic, Kassian, Nurse, Khaira. If trading Maroon can get us a winger who is a better scorer, better overall player, then we should do it.

How do you think benning is so worthless but Maroon is so good? He’s a middle six guy who caught lightning in a bottle alongside McDavid. Work ethic has been the knock his entire career and you still can see signs of it today.

Trading for Maroon makes some sense for Ottawa as they are struggling financially (this has been brought up around 780 times over the last few week).

JimmyV1965

hunter1909: Yes the revisionists.

These revisionists used to defend Craig McTavish. While defending the “strategy” of middling draft teams(Oilers cough) to target smaller, skilled players with the clear expectation that the referees would call so many powerplays if any other NHL team ever tried to mess with them, that it wouldn’t even be funny etc.

The revisionists then had to move on from MacT post Eakins; but then managed to attatch themselves to fancy stats, lol

They also love to trade away physically strong players since they place no value in them, like Lucic who to them is nothing more than a $4. million over paid freak.

Ditto Maroon, ditto Kassian, Nurse is nothing but near waiver fodder to these revisionists.

What I don’t get is the willingness of some people to trade Maroon. He might be slower than most but he actually has some skills. I get it if we’re out of the playoffs, but if we even have a sniff of the postseason, we absolutely need this guy. I like Hoffman and everything, but why in the world would you include Maroon in the deal? And why the hell would Ottawa want a 29 year old pending UFA?

Jethro Tull

hunter1909,

I’m not so much a revisionist as I am a revivalist.

Jethro Tull

Scungilli Slushy: I’m not getting why so many think Hoffman is an elite sniper. Mid level yes, LW Eberle. His SH% has declined yearly, especially this year. At his price and age I think it’s risky. Very Loui Eriksson IMO. They need 20-25 G for less cap.

Wwll, in the army, we called the artillery “long range snipers.” Seeing as he has a cannon for a shot, that may be where you picked up ‘sniper’ frim.

I’ve seen Hoffman blast them. Rarely snipe them.

hunter1909

JimmyV1965:
If I’m the GM of a playoff team I would absolutely target a guy like Maroon. If he doesn’t score he can still contribute to a victory. Guys who only score and do nothing else, they don’t contribute otherwise. Isn’t that the reason we traded Eberle? If the Oilers are in the playoff hunt I don’t want to trade Maroon at all. I’d rather lose him for nothing to free agency than trade him and not have him for the playoffs.

Yes the revisionists.

These revisionists used to defend Craig McTavish. While defending the “strategy” of middling draft teams(Oilers cough) to target smaller, skilled players with the clear expectation that the referees would call so many powerplays if any other NHL team ever tried to mess with them, that it wouldn’t even be funny etc.

The revisionists then had to move on from MacT post Eakins; but then managed to attatch themselves to fancy stats, lol

They also love to trade away physically strong players since they place no value in them, like Lucic who to them is nothing more than a $4. million over paid freak.

Ditto Maroon, ditto Kassian, Nurse is nothing but near waiver fodder to these revisionists.

slopitch

Surely the oilers aren’t in on Letang. It would be buying at an all time low but man that medical record…

slopitch

Sorry for asking if Hoffman could skate. I’d like some increased team speed is all and don’t know the player well enough 🙂

If the ask for Hoffman doesn’t include the 1st id be game. Given the salary situation though they have to be right because they could spend the money on a RHD or a two-way type. It’s not true that they only have one bet because Chai moves on pretty quickly from bad bets. But having the option to move when necessary is important. I still believe the oilers window can include this year if they can make 2 good adds.

YKOil

Maroon, Slepy and a 2nd or 3rd for Hoffman works just fine imo. Will miss Maroon’s added toughness but Hoffman is the better scorer (and he isn’t soft).

The Letang rumours are making me sad.

Also, with three good centres to work with chances are good that Hoffman find a fit and has success. I.e. Hoffman is a better trade piece down the road and that matters too.

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Hi from Saigon,

Sending you some hot sun from here.

I think the temperature differential is 62 degrees from Edmonton and you can get crispy brown in about 45min in this winter sun . I looked at high level bridge cam and it had frosted over. Thats cold! How can we be on the same planet? Although I really do miss the snow at Christmas and the New Years Ski Trips. 🙁

Great see Safin and Yama getting early start.

When I review the standings it is hard to believe Vegas is a top NHL team and just beat Washington 4-0 and is kicking butt at home.

VEGAS BABY!

What is Vegas doing right? Anyone studying this team? What can Oilers learn/apply from them? Last time I looked they had 7 players injured (Oilers currently only 1) and they are still coasting up top of rankings.

WTF?!!

Is there a way we could instead trade for some castaways/low value players (that would not be protected in expansion draft) that have potential instead of going for big trades? I don’t think Hoffman would go unprotected if there was a new team this year.

PS. Luckily Vegas didn’t get Jujhar or it would have been another great value pick with potential.

Vegas Baby!

Is there anyone unprotected on this list that would help us in short term or long term future?

https://www.nhl.com/news/protected-list-for-vegas-golden-knights-nhl-expansion-draft/c-289972722

And just saw this article talking about it. Could be still relevant now Vegas is top after almost 1/2 of season?

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/what-are-the-vegas-golden-knights-doing-right-that-the-edmonton-oilers-are-not

Dylan

who

Wonder if anyone has drafted number 3 from Denmark. Big kid seems to skate pretty good.

Woogie63

Not on next year’s team is 13, 19.

Slepy will be starting by the end of the year.

who

Yamamoto not exactly lighting it up tonight. USAs best players appear to be Middlestat and Hughes.

JimmyV1965

If I’m the GM of a playoff team I would absolutely target a guy like Maroon. If he doesn’t score he can still contribute to a victory. Guys who only score and do nothing else, they don’t contribute otherwise. Isn’t that the reason we traded Eberle? If the Oilers are in the playoff hunt I don’t want to trade Maroon at all. I’d rather lose him for nothing to free agency than trade him and not have him for the playoffs.

OriginalPouzar

We have a hole at wing next year in the top 6 with the impending departure of Patrick Maroon but, really, is a scoring left winger what this team needs?

Yes, we have an issue on the PP recently but this team is an elite five on five scoring team and I’m not sure about adding another scoring winger with a $5M plus cap hit while paying assets to make the acquisition.

I think the better route is to stay the course and/or look for a veteran stop gap on the cheap (like Jokinen but one that works out better) for next year. Lets Benson and Yamamoto peculate in the AHL. Presumably, given offensive wingers don’t take too long to develop, one of those two will be ready for the top 6 the following season.

Woodguy v2.0

Scungilli Slushy: Ok it’s value ? Can he skate?

Not that well, so he’ll fit right in!!

From what i’ve seen and heard he’s pretty one dimensional, but its the good dimension.

BONE207

Every Dane I know is well over 6 feet tall. Why does the Danish hockey team look like they are extras from middle earth? Especially the goalie.

Woodguy v2.0

Scungilli Slushy: ‘Elite’ – Sorry I wasn’t attempting to put words in your mouth, just used your opinion to make a broader comment.

If he’s such a deadly shooter why is he so mid pack in goal scoring? Is 5.1 M really value for that production from a one dimensional player? It might be better to sign Neal, only a year older.

Neal would be a better option, albeit I doubt he comes in under $6.5 and maybe over $7 and of course you have to be sure he signs here whereas Hoffman is under contract for 2 more years.

Also,

Hoffman being 33rd in goals/game from 13/14-16/17 isn’t mid pack. It’s upper end.

Neai was 19th with 0.03 more goals per game.

Hoffman scored 85 in 256, Neal 93 in 278 games.

Neal is having a much better 17/18 though, which is why he’ll be north of $6.5MM next year.

$5 could fit under the cap, $6.5+ probably won’t.

leadfarmer

Scungilli Slushy,

Because you don’t know if you will even have a shot at Neal. Also There’s not much in the UFA market and cap is going up

Scungilli Slushy

Woodguy v2.0:
Last 4 years (not including this one) Hoffman is 33rd in goals/game.

0.33

Tied with Monahan, Couture, E. Kane.

Notables at .34 or .35 are Pasternak, Forsberg, Carter, Kessel.

Hoffman can score the hockey goals.

Ok it’s value 🙂 Can he skate?

leadfarmer

Woodguy v2.0: I think others would bid more.

Maroon is essentially a 3rd (maybe a 2nd with his low salary) at the deadline.

It’s not the Eberle-Strome trade, Maroon’s not under contract next year.

Completely agree with your Hoffman assessment. This team needs a guy that can be relied to get the puck in the net when needed. We just don’t have that guy on this roster. We got guys that can get him the puck and we got guys that can clean up his garbage.
We also have no idea what Maroon wants and if he wants to be closer to his son.
Chia is not one to sit on his hands. If he can make the team better tomorrow he will even if that means he will have to deal with the repercussions of the contract in the future.
I would not be surprised if Strome is a piece heading back

Scungilli Slushy

Woodguy v2.0: I never typed with words “elite sniper”

He has a very good shot and can beat goalies at distance.

This is known.

EDM doesn’t have that player.

25-30 goals for $5MM is value in a $80MM cap and if he plays with McDavid full time and PP1 I’d expect 30+ pace.

‘Elite’ – Sorry I wasn’t attempting to put words in your mouth, just used your opinion to make a broader comment.

If he’s such a deadly shooter why is he so mid pack in goal scoring? Is 5.1 M really value for that production from a one dimensional player? It might be better to sign Neal, only a year older.

Pouzar

who: Yeah that’s about as high as I would go as well. And even then I would be concerned about how Hoffman’s salary is going to affect our cap moving forward.
Having said that he is the pure shooter that the Oilers have been looking for.
Not buying the Eberle comparisons although they are both one dimensional offensive players. Eberle is a dangler and puck distributor who needs to get inside the hash marks to score. Hoffman also has a good set of hands but he is a proven first shot scorer who can beat goalies from outside the hash marks.

Well said.

Pouzar

So what Center and Wing are we giving up for Letang?

*runs*

who

Woodguy v2.0: For the record, I wouldn’t pay a first for Hoffman.

OTT wants to drop salary and that comes with a premium, so no first.

Sleppy, 3rd and Maroon (good for a 2nd or 3rd at the deadline) should be sufficient.

Yeah that’s about as high as I would go as well. And even then I would be concerned about how Hoffman’s salary is going to affect our cap moving forward.
Having said that he is the pure shooter that the Oilers have been looking for.
Not buying the Eberle comparisons although they are both one dimensional offensive players. Eberle is a dangler and puck distributor who needs to get inside the hash marks to score. Hoffman also has a good set of hands but he is a proven first shot scorer who can beat goalies from outside the hash marks.

leadfarmer

Munny:
Woiuldn’t Strome be the roster player we would want to trade for Hoffman?

I actually have difficulty believing Hoffman is the target.I think it’s more likely it is Condon.

I think Condon stays as he will most likely get more playing time and a chance to be a starter in the future as Anderson ages.

Woodguy v2.0

Last 4 years (not including this one) Hoffman is 33rd in goals/game.

0.33

Tied with Monahan, Couture, E. Kane.

Notables at .34 or .35 are Pasternak, Forsberg, Carter, Kessel.

Hoffman can score the hockey goals.

Woodguy v2.0

Woodguy v2.0: I think Maroon will be $4-ish.

At that point I like Hoffman better.

He’s a one shot scorer from distance and that doesn’t exist on this roster right now.

Kinda like Neal-light (with none of the physical play)

I think others would bid more.

Maroon is essentially a 3rd (maybe a 2nd with his low salary) at the deadline.

It’s not the Eberle-Strome trade, Maroon’s not under contract next year.

Woodguy v2.0

Scungilli Slushy: I’m not getting why so many think Hoffman is an elite sniper. Mid level yes, LW Eberle. His SH% has declined yearly, especially this year. At his price and age I think it’s risky. Very Loui Eriksson IMO. They need 20-25 G for less cap.

I never typed with words “elite sniper”

He has a very good shot and can beat goalies at distance.

This is known.

EDM doesn’t have that player.

25-30 goals for $5MM is value in a $80MM cap and if he plays with McDavid full time and PP1 I’d expect 30+ pace.

Munny

Woiuldn’t Strome be the roster player we would want to trade for Hoffman?

I actually have difficulty believing Hoffman is the target. I think it’s more likely it is Condon.

Scungilli Slushy

Woodguy v2.0: I think Maroon will be $4-ish.

At that point I like Hoffman bettering.

He’s a one shot scorer from distance and that doesn’t exist on this roster right now.

Kinda like Neal-light (with none of the physical play)

I’m not getting why so many think Hoffman is an elite sniper. Mid level yes, LW Eberle. His SH% has declined yearly, especially this year. At his price and age I think it’s risky. Very Loui Eriksson IMO. They need 20-25 G for less cap.