Run to daylight!

by Lowetide

The Oilers were in a shootout and needed a goal. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, who may or may not shave yet, scored a lovely goal on his penalty shot to win the day for Edmonton. It’s a mighty long way down rock and roll and who knows what tomorrow brings. For today, this team has some hope and a sliver of daylight.

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FALSE SPRING, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • January 2016: 2-0-0, goal differential +1
  • January 2017: 1-1-0, goal differential -1
  • January 2018: 1-1-0, goal differential -5

Last night’s win was badly needed, this Edmonton team has just 10 games in January and have to make the most of it. All three teams got off to reasonable starts in January.

AFTER 41, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 17-21-3, goal differential -23 (37 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 21-13-7, goal differential +10 (49 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 18-20-3, goal differential -16 (39 points)

This year’s team is just a hair ahead of two years ago but I do believe this team will finish with more than 70 points. Adding a veteran backup goalie suggests there’s at least some interest in winning games this season.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JANUARY

  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Dallas, Chicago, Nashville, Arizona, Vegas (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Vancouver, Buffalo, Calgary (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 4-4-2, 10 points in 10 games
  • Current results: 1-1-0, two points in two games

Oilers are slightly ahead of my prediction but I was bullish about their road trip and there’s miles to go over the next two weeks.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Sekera-Benning went 16-8 in 11:58, 0-0 GF and 2-2 HDSC. Went 10-3 against Cogliano-Kesler-Silfverberg, forgot what a pain in the ass that line could be any given night. Pairing spent most of their 5×5 time with Leon and Nuge lines. I like both defenders but would prefer to see Sekera with a shutdown type and Benning the same. Edmonton doesn’t have enough puck movers on the roster to to afford this alignment.
  • Klefbom-Russell went 11-12 in 15:45, 1-0 GF and 5-0 in HDSC’s. Played mostly with Nuge and McDavid lines, going 6-5 against Cogliano-Kesler-Silfverberg. Russell scored on a beautiful pass from McDavid, screened Talbot on PP GA.
  • Nurse-Larsson were 15-20 together in 17:36, 0-0 GF and 0-5 in HDSC’s. This pairing spent most of their time with the McDavid line (8-0 Corsi) and flourished, but got caved (4-16) while playing with the Draisaitl line. Were 10-16 against Vermette-Getzlaf-Rakell, who I count as Anaheim’s top line. Getzlaf faced Nurse-Larsson 10:40; Klefbom-Russell 5:07, Sekera-Benning 1:46. Is that how you would handle things?
  • Cam Talbot stopped 33 of 34, .971. He played very well to my eye.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

OFFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Lucic-McDavid-Puljujarvi got the goal, a monster tally and the key to the win. McDavid had another of those insane nights where you’re just glad to be alive to witness it. Lucic had a good night, fine move and then pass on the goal, another nice item late in the third to give McDavid some air and eventually force a penalty. Puljujarvi is the bomb, he’s very close to impossible, needs his own camera following every move. Six HDSC’s for the line.
  • Cammalleri-Nuge-Strome went 15-13, 2-0 in HDSC’s. I thought they had some promising moments but the big contribution came in the shootout. Nuge was slippery and skilled, loving his season. Strome has big parts of the game right at his feet and is unable to think or act quickly enough to impact them. I’ll say this: He’s smart and skilled enough to get himself to good spots, which makes his lack of impact more galling.
  • Caggiula-Draisaitl-Slepyshev got caved 9-22, 2-7 in HDSC’s. Lordy. Went 3-12 in five minutes against Getzlaf. Hoo doggy. There were several epic shifts involving chasing, Edmonton needs wingers like Mars needs women. People will rip Leon today, but he needs better wingers. Schnell.
  • Khaira-Letestu-Kassian went 3-6, McLellan doesn’t trust his fourth line (6:21) much. I think both wingers on Letestu’s line would be better Leon options.

https://twitter.com/NicholsOnHockey/status/949278109840257024

If he’s a buy  low option, then Peter Chiarelli should be on it yesterday. Duclair has one 20-goal season (crazy good shooting percentage that year) in the NHL already and is young enough to grow with the group. If the price is right, makes sense from here.

That was one weird trade for sure. What’s more, Al Montoya is on the IR (as I understand it) so Brossoit will probably head to Dallas as an insurance policy. Montoya has played in just four games this season, he is currently sporting an .897 even-strength save percentage (hockey-reference) for the year. As possible backup options go, Montoya is perhaps an uninspired choice but I’m unsure what forces were at play to make this happen. Brossoit will have to hit waivers, meaning another 24-hour “Jeff Deslauriers night sweats” saga.

KIRILL MAKSIMOV

We talked about Tyler Benson yesterday, and this morning another CHL winger is worth discussing. After a nice run coming out of the Christmas break, Maksimov’s boxcars are 34gp, 24-18-42 (NHLE: 82gp, 17-13-30). Oilers need scoring wingers, and with Kailer Yamamoto, Ostap Safin and Maksimov bubbling under, help is on the way.

 

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, the bases are loaded with great guests! Scheduled to appear:

  • Blake Price, TSN WJC host. We tee up the big WJ games today with Blake.
  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. Chiarelli on the hot seat, WJ’s, Oilers win.
  • Nate Davis, USA Today. Huge NFL weekend.
  • Marshall Ferguson, Ti-Cats PBP. A monster news week in the CFL.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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Professor Q

OriginalPouzar:
Getzlaf wondering when he will finally get some calls.

Ok then…..

https://www.dailynews.com/2018/01/05/ducks-captain-ryan-getzlaf-wonders-when-calls-will-go-his-way/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Who does he think he is, Lebron James?

Mind you, this is the tactic they used in the Playoffs. Complain about the reffing and somehow get the refs on your side…

Woodguy v2.0

AsiaOil,

ut he was simply trying to use a writing style critique as a cover for a failed argument that he didn’t even try to support. He’s way better than that.

No, I didn’t find anything in your wall of text that was reasonable.

I think you’re pretty sharp too, but suggesting that EDM would have trouble signing a decent back up goalie for the reasons you listed doesn’t hold any water.

Good backups sign with bad teams all the time, it just costs term or you have to overpay a bit, but overpaying a backup is $2MM x 1, so its gambles you can take.

Backups are guns for hire.

To think they’d turn down a contract in EDM because of Fasth and Scrivens flushing out makes no sense to me, especially after the had brought Nilsson back to the NHL and re-kickstarted his career.

Talbot wasn’t outstanding his first season with EDM. The back up position would have looked awful tasty in the summer of 2016 to many who might think “if I outplay him I could take a starter job”

Woodguy v2.0

AsiaOil: Miller’s contract is $2 million AAV and he wanted to go to Cali for “personal reasons”.

https://www.nhl.com/news/ryan-miller-joins-anaheim-ducks-on-two-year-deal/c-290186180

https://sports.yahoo.com/signing-anaheim-ryan-miller-chooses-184109327.html

Good players can pick their spots.

I agree good players can pick spots.

Journeymen back ups not as much and will work for term.

OriginalPouzar
OriginalPouzar

Samorukov’s goal last night was similar to his goal the previous game – snuck into the high a lot and ripped a snap shot home from the top of the circles – nice release in this kid.

GMB3

JimmyV1965: The Red Wings are another example of a team that has slipped. From what I understand though the Red Wings had some super scout in Europe and they maybe exploited a market other teams had neglected. Could that be happening with some of these teams like Tampa now or the Blues?

Also, do you attribute the Oilers ineptitude to bad development then? I know for years I hated their second round picks. They always seemed to go for high character guys with limited upside.

I feel like this “super scout” theory (not saying you’re wrong about there actually being a super scout, there could have been) isn’t as relevant nowadays. Prior to the internet we knew way less about players in Europe. If someone was playing for a less prestigious team in a far flung corner in Russia, teams probably didn’t even know he was out there. I think before the internet became what it is today, having a really good European scout probably gave you a significant advantage. Not even because of talent identification per say, but having a network of people that might bring an unknown and unscouted player to your attention.

I remember reading about the scout who found pavel datsyuk and I believe he was playing for a smaller less known team in Russia and he hadn’t been scouted by many other teams, so while this scout was trying to push for them to draft them in an earlier round the red wings staff believed he would be available later on. It was a while ago that I read that, so my memory may be a little bit off.

OriginalPouzar

Game Day!

Back to back wins in afternoon games on the road against teams in the wild card race?

Lets Do This!

JimmyV1965: The Red Wings are another example of a team that has slipped. From what I understand though the Red Wings had some super scout in Europe and they maybe exploited a market other teams had neglected. Could that be happening with some of these teams like Tampa now or the Blues?

Also, do you attribute the Oilers ineptitude to bad development then? I know for years I hated their second round picks. They always seemed to go for high character guys with limited upside.

Tampa: we flagged several years ago here that they were going after the undervalued skill players:

Russians.
The KHL factor was a real threat. Everyone knew Kucherov was a 1st round talent. Several of us wanted the Oilers to take a stab and were cursing the smarts of Stevie Y when they pulled the trigger.

When you find a weakness in the market’s valuations you exploit it. Example, right handed D are overvalued right now because of a lack of quality supply. You can then turn Adam Larsson, a top 30 ish RHD into a top 5 LW.

JimmyV1965

VOR: I think there is always a flavour of the month in drafting, some team that drafts remarkably well for a few years and then slowly slip, slides and away. Recent examples are Chicago, Los Angeles, St. Louis, and now probably Tampa.

The Oilers were once this team. Three great Barry Frazier drafts lead to multiple Stanley Cups. Messier, Anderson, Coffey, Kurri, Fuhr, Moog, Tikkanen, and some other useful parts like Kevin Lowe, all in three years.

That said, I think Tampa has a far superior development model in comparison to Edmonton, before or after Chia. I am not sure Tampa is drafting better. As I said in an earlier post, your development program is a critical factor in draft success or the lack thereof.

Also success at the draft table slowly subverts itself. The opportunity available to new draftees begins to shrink as you fill up your roster.

The Red Wings are another example of a team that has slipped. From what I understand though the Red Wings had some super scout in Europe and they maybe exploited a market other teams had neglected. Could that be happening with some of these teams like Tampa now or the Blues?

Also, do you attribute the Oilers ineptitude to bad development then? I know for years I hated their second round picks. They always seemed to go for high character guys with limited upside.

VOR

JimmyV1965: I think you are absolutely right about that when it comes to individual drafts and individual players. Each one is really a gamble and there are many surprises. But over the course of say 10 years don’t you think the good teams and good drafters will consistently make better picks and create their own luck? I don’t think it’s just luck that Tampa produces more impact players than the Oilers have. I’m hoping of course that changes with Chia.

I think there is always a flavour of the month in drafting, some team that drafts remarkably well for a few years and then slowly slip, slides and away. Recent examples are Chicago, Los Angeles, St. Louis, and now probably Tampa.

The Oilers were once this team. Three great Barry Frazier drafts lead to multiple Stanley Cups. Messier, Anderson, Coffey, Kurri, Fuhr, Moog, Tikkanen, and some other useful parts like Kevin Lowe, all in three years.

That said, I think Tampa has a far superior development model in comparison to Edmonton, before or after Chia. I am not sure Tampa is drafting better. As I said in an earlier post, your development program is a critical factor in draft success or the lack thereof.

Also success at the draft table slowly subverts itself. The opportunity available to new draftees begins to shrink as you fill up your roster.

Bruce McCurdy

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
For the poster way back who said surely the Oilers won’t spend all that time developing LB only to let him go.

Exhibits A:
Dubnyk, Devan
Petry, Jeff
Cogliano, Andrew
Brodziak, Kyle
Chorney, Taylor

Want a Chia example?
Pitlick, Tyler
Oesterle, Jordan

And I am leaving out the ‘hockey trades’ like Hall and Ebs, although the latter is quite dubious to be called that.

Exhibit A:
Dubnyk: traded for Hendricks
Petry: Traded for picks
Cogliano: Traded for a pick
Brodziak: traded with a pick for picks (& guess which pick became an NHLer)
Chorney: waived, then walked at 24

Exhibit B:
Pitlick: lost on open market as a Group VI free agent
Oesterle: lost on open market as a Group VI free agent

Apples & oranges. Oilers got pretty unlucky with Pitlick especially, he never made it to 80 games despite spending his entire last year on the NHL roster after two decent cups of coffee earlier. Then Dallas offered him three years on a one-way deal. Should Oilers have outbid them? Maybe; they sure could have used T.P. at times this year given the lack of anyone seizing the day at RW.

Oesterle got a look in each of his 3 seasons here, showed promise, but didn’t come close to the 80 games & both sides appeared to move on. But it was a different situation from actively dumping the guys on the first list.

Damn Group VI cost the team some valuable depth, but them’s the rules.

Jethro Tull

hunter1909: Woodguy is cheerful enough.

When people post with oversized paragraphs, oftentimes they believe they’re on the way to making a greater level of communicating their point which is of course nonsense. Understanding is the secret of effective communication. Oversized paragraphs are difficult to read and therefore hinder communication.

You probably might not know it, but when Woodguy corrects someone, more often than not it’s made in a reasonably friendly manner. Just because he doesn’t go through life grinning at everything has no bearing on his innate happiness.

Because you’re one of the smarter people around here, I’d like to know what your opinion is of the 2017-18 season to date. Actually, there are many people who would like to know what your opinion is.

Short paragraphs are used by tabloid press to communicate with those of lesser reading comprehension. Fact.

Thr secret of good communication is the transmission of a comprehensible message and a reception that can be understood by the recipient. Always has been.

JimmyV1965

VOR:
The reason you don’t focus on impact players at the draft is that there is absolutely no way of distinguishing between impact NHL players and fringe players once you move out of the top few consensus picks. Every team believes it is drafting impact players. Very few get it right.

One of my favorite hockey stories is about a rare exception to that rule. And I have told this story before, but it bears repeating. It explains why the draft fascinates me so.

The draft is over and the scouting staff for this team are all at the bar. They are not their celebrating. They are drowning their sorrows.

The day has been a clusterf**k from the get go. First their management handcuffed them with a weird draft for need policy. They weren’t supposed to draft anything but centers and defencemen. This in a year loaded with high end forwards. Then every player on their board got picked before they had a chance. Worst of all the league shafted them out of a chance at a player they believed was the one and only generational talent in the draft.

They actually sat around the table in the bar taking bets on which of their draft picks would ever see an NHL ice surface. They all thought their first rounder would have a career, though most thought, correctly that it would be as a two way player. A couple thought there was a late rounder sleeper who’d be a great checker. One brave soul believed their second round choice, a dman, might have a career.

Not a single member of the scouting staff believed there was a chance any of the other kids would play in the NHL. With their draft board shredded and the world conspiring against them they had taken ridiculous fliers. Now they were sitting there depressed by all the alcohol they had consumed regretting their foolishness.

But it is of course that foolishness, those throw away picks they made while getting shafted out of being able to draft Pavel Bure that turned a craptastic team into one of the greatest hockey teams of all time. So these scouts had just had the best day at the office of any set of scouts in NHL history. And they had no frigging clue. Had you told them that along with a fine crop of very useful pros they had drafted a legend (Fedorov) and an immortal (Lidstrom) they would have thought you were even drunker than they were.

This explains the draft in one simple story. Spotting talent takes hard work. It is a skill that can be learned, refined and mastered. But no matter how much mastery you achieve you won’t be able to say with certainty who the impact players in any given draft are. Luck will still set the table.

So what do you do about that?

I think you are absolutely right about that when it comes to individual drafts and individual players. Each one is really a gamble and there are many surprises. But over the course of say 10 years don’t you think the good teams and good drafters will consistently make better picks and create their own luck? I don’t think it’s just luck that Tampa produces more impact players than the Oilers have. I’m hoping of course that changes with Chia.

AsiaOil

hunter1909: Woodguy is cheerful enough.

When people post with oversized paragraphs, oftentimes they believe they’re on the way to making a greater level of communicating their point which is of course nonsense. Understanding is the secret of effective communication. Oversized paragraphs are difficult to read and therefore hinder communication.

You probably might not know it, but when Woodguy corrects someone, more often than not it’s made in a reasonably friendly manner. Just because he doesn’t go through life grinning at everything has no bearing on his innate happiness.

Because you’re one of the smarter people around here, I’d like to know what your opinion is of the 2017-18 season to date. Actually, there are many people who would like to know what your opinion is.

WG is smart as a tack and just as prickly sometimes – I’m no wall flower either – but he was simply trying to use a writing style critique as a cover for a failed argument that he didn’t even try to support. He’s way better than that. Plus I’ve been posting with LT since our days on HF almost 20 years ago and I don’t think I need grammar lessons from him. It doesn’t show a lot of respect when not accompanied by any debate points.

I don’t post much other than on goalie issues – but since you asked – the season can be best summed up a “sh*t happens” IMHO. Goaltending is critical and we didn’t have it until recently. We are a mirror of WPG last year. Same teams mostly – different results – most of it goaltending. Special teams are off and I lay a lot of that on the coaching staff being too stubborn with systems that are both predictable and not working, and on player usage (eg Letestu). The young guys didn’t seem to be prepared for the next step or how hard it is to be a contender. They probably expected it to be easier than it actually is. That’s a maturity issue and we will see how they grow up. I don’t like the 4th line which gets shellacked in terms of possession and GF% – or the chaotic development of the young guys who need way more stability than they’ve recieved. Can’t lose games because of your 4th line.

But I play this year like you are in it to the end and make hockey moves that help next year when better goaltending, lady luck smiling a bit more, and more maturity probably produces much different results. The core is still really young and I think they got their noses rubbed in it this season. They likely start next season in a far different frame of mind. Still could use a 2RHD and 2RW plus a bit more speed all around. It’s a good team getting poor results – it happens – and you don’t tear the team apart becuase of it.

VOR

Woodguy v2.0:
Scungilli Slushy,

I think the analysis around prospects should be more about finding impact players as opposed to marginal players that barely hang on to careers that may play 100 games or more as replacement level players.

The analysis around prospects IS about finding impact players.

Like baseball, if you can hit .300 for a career you’re among the best of all time.

Getting a player in the 2nd round who plays 177 NHL games is a win.

Seriously.

I like to talk to people about the members of the 37 point club. At the peak of their careers they all had 37 points. At the bottom they all scored ten or less in a full season of play. Obviously marginal fringe NHLers .

Then I tell them club includes Jimmy Roberts. This is usually where they say who? It doesn’t help when I refer to him as the Captain of the All Ugly Team. Or the Captain of the St. Louis Blues or that he was a materially violent part of 5 Stanley Cups or that he was Scotty Bowman’s Toby Peterson all the way back to the Peterborough Pete’s.

So I usually move on to Kyle Brodziak. This is usually where I get told there is no point drafting these guys because you can pick them up in free agency every year. This is when I ask, can you get Fernando Pisani in free agency every year?

My point is that to some people these guys are all fringe NHLers. To NHL coaches they are the guy you throw out to damn the river. The guy TMac would have deployed when the wheels were falling off in the playoffs against Anaheim if he had anybody close to as good defensively as these three guys.

So what is a fringe NHLer?

OriginalPouzar

The trade happened yesterday night – he hasn’t even had a chance to join the team and get checked by the Oiler doctors.

The coach was very clear that the team did their due diligence on the player medically and that he would join the team on the weekend and management would then make the required decisions.

I can’t imagine anyone really thinks they traded for a player that is injured with term and will be unavailable to the team.

This is an insufferable conversation.

Johnny skid

hunter1909: Because you’re one of the smarter people around here, I’d like to know what your opinion is of the 2017-18 season to date. Actually, there are many people who would like to know what your opinion is.

nicely said hunter, i would also be interested in AsiaOil’s take on this season.

Diablo

VOR:
One of my favorite hockey stories is about a rare exception to that rule. And I have told this story before, but it bears repeating. It explains why the draft fascinates me so.

Loved this post.VOR – I always felt that Holland and their staff was more lucky than good.

Could you tell me what the source of your information is regarding that draft, cause I loved to read about this in greater detail.

Munny

OriginalPouzar: Being cleared and being taken off IR are two different things.

If a player is healthy and is still on the IR, the team is circumventing roster limits and accordingly is subject to investigation by the League Commissioner and subsequent disciplinary action.

I take it, since you are spouting semantical truisms, you still have no source.

OriginalPouzar

Munny: So he hasn’t been cleared then, since he is still on the IR.

Being cleared and being taken off IR are two different things.

OriginalPouzar

Woodguy v2.0: No, it was a terrible move.

I never said it wasn’t – i was simply pointing out that he is struggling right now and is being healthy scratched by a bad team.

VOR

The reason you don’t focus on impact players at the draft is that there is absolutely no way of distinguishing between impact NHL players and fringe players once you move out of the top few consensus picks. Every team believes it is drafting impact players. Very few get it right.

One of my favorite hockey stories is about a rare exception to that rule. And I have told this story before, but it bears repeating. It explains why the draft fascinates me so.

The draft is over and the scouting staff for this team are all at the bar. They are not their celebrating. They are drowning their sorrows.

The day has been a clusterf**k from the get go. First their management handcuffed them with a weird draft for need policy. They weren’t supposed to draft anything but centers and defencemen. This in a year loaded with high end forwards. Then every player on their board got picked before they had a chance. Worst of all the league shafted them out of a chance at a player they believed was the one and only generational talent in the draft.

They actually sat around the table in the bar taking bets on which of their draft picks would ever see an NHL ice surface. They all thought their first rounder would have a career, though most thought, correctly that it would be as a two way player. A couple thought there was a late rounder sleeper who’d be a great checker. One brave soul believed their second round choice, a dman, might have a career.

Not a single member of the scouting staff believed there was a chance any of the other kids would play in the NHL. With their draft board shredded and the world conspiring against them they had taken ridiculous fliers. Now they were sitting there depressed by all the alcohol they had consumed regretting their foolishness.

But it is of course that foolishness, those throw away picks they made while getting shafted out of being able to draft Pavel Bure that turned a craptastic team into one of the greatest hockey teams of all time. So these scouts had just had the best day at the office of any set of scouts in NHL history. And they had no frigging clue. Had you told them that along with a fine crop of very useful pros they had drafted a legend (Fedorov) and an immortal (Lidstrom) they would have thought you were even drunker than they were.

This explains the draft in one simple story. Spotting talent takes hard work. It is a skill that can be learned, refined and mastered. But no matter how much mastery you achieve you won’t be able to say with certainty who the impact players in any given draft are. Luck will still set the table.

So what do you do about that?

OriginalPouzar

nelson88:
Samourkov now 1G 1A +4.two very good games since returning.

Thank you for the update – I didn’t realize that Guelph was playing tonight.

Plus 4 with a 4-1 lead is very impressive.

He is putting up box cars with regularity now – seems like he’s getting more and more comfortable.

Woodguy v2.0: It tells him that EDM isn’t going to qualify him and he might ask his agent to start looking for jobs in Europe.

Pays way better than the AHL and you’re still playing hockey for a living at a pretty great wage and living the dream.

I’ve been wondering since the Montoya acquisition if it means they are not planning on giving Brossoit a qualifying offer and letting him go in free agency – it would mean they were really unimpressed with his play in Talbot’s absence as they felt high enough on him to gift him the starters’ role this past fall.

Is Wells turning pro next year?

Is Starret ready to back-up Ellis in Bakersfield?

hunter1909

AsiaOil: Good day sir…and for heaven’s sake….cheer up.

Woodguy is cheerful enough.

When people post with oversized paragraphs, oftentimes they believe they’re on the way to making a greater level of communicating their point which is of course nonsense. Understanding is the secret of effective communication. Oversized paragraphs are difficult to read and therefore hinder communication.

You probably might not know it, but when Woodguy corrects someone, more often than not it’s made in a reasonably friendly manner. Just because he doesn’t go through life grinning at everything has no bearing on his innate happiness.

Because you’re one of the smarter people around here, I’d like to know what your opinion is of the 2017-18 season to date. Actually, there are many people who would like to know what your opinion is.

Munny

Woodguy v2.0: It tells him that EDM isn’t going to qualify him and he might ask his agent to start looking for jobs in Europe.

Pays way better than the AHL and you’re still playing hockey for a living at a pretty great wage and living the dream.

Thank you for the speculation–it’s important to have all the possibilities on the table. But that’s all this is… a possible future.

Munny

OriginalPouzar: I read yesterday that he was cleared on Jan 1 – I think it was in the game thread – not sure what the original source was.

So he hasn’t been cleared then, since he is still on the IR.

nelson88

Lowetide:
Canada! Plus Benson has two goals.

and the Sens came back to beat San Jose in overtime. …;)

Congrats to the Canadian Jr’s. Excellent stuff.

Munny

Unbelievable goal! I almost feel bad for Sverige.

AsiaOil

Woodguy v2.0: None of that matters.

Also,

Use paragraphs.

Well here I am on my best new year’s behavior and trying to have a discussion and you are being well…..less so. My track record with goalies speaks for itself – but if you want to suggest that you know what’s important and what isn’t – well your comments about Miller suggest otherwise. Good day sir…and for heaven’s sake….cheer up.

OmJo

leadfarmer:
OmJo,

Cap hit to stay on the Oilers 4 mil.Cap hit at 50% retention 2 mil.Contract he signed with Buffalo 1.15 mil.Any questions?

Wait, are we paying Pouliot more than Buffalo is? His cap hit here is 1.33.

nelson88

Woodguy v2.0: None of that matters.

Also,

Use paragraphs.

source?

non game nights are usually enjoyable. please don’t spoil this one.

AsiaOil

Woodguy v2.0: I’m fascinated by the former very good starters who are killing the backup role.

This year’s star pupil is Ryan Miller who puts up a .935 in 11 games while Gibson puts up .924 as the starter and another goalie I’ve always liked, Reto Berra puts up a .932 in 4 games.

I know Lindholm is a top 5 Dman in the NHL but he doesn’t play 60 minutes, nor is he a wizard.

Starting goalies like Miller usually get used as starters past the age where they should and they decline quickly.

Seeing teams use them as backups with backup frequency might extend their shelf life.

Its not like they’re expensive either.

Miller costs less than Montoya.

1 year contract too.Might have been thinking he can get another starters contract by doing one year, but making a million in the NHL is a good way to pass time.

Miller’s contract is $2 million AAV and he wanted to go to Cali for “personal reasons”.

https://www.nhl.com/news/ryan-miller-joins-anaheim-ducks-on-two-year-deal/c-290186180

https://sports.yahoo.com/signing-anaheim-ryan-miller-chooses-184109327.html

Good players can pick their spots.

Woodguy v2.0

AsiaOil: All NHL players want to be treated fairly, but especially goalies.Post-Sather the Oilers developed a reputation as a goalie graveyard, who aside from Rolo, really didn’t treat their goalies terribly well.It’s not just a 2 year deal that goalies want. The best backups get several offers of that sort and they take one from the best org who will give them a fair shake. Life is tenuous for a backup. One bad run and your NHL career is done. Look what happened to Scrivens and Fasth, and is was pretty clear that the Oilers almost destroyed Dubnyk’s career for no particularly good reason. Fair was not associated with the Oilers and people notice. IMHO this is why they have given LB so much rope. They had to appear to give him a legit shot (which in my opinion they did) before they ditch him to continue rebuilding their reputation in the goalie market.Bottomline is that you just can’t sign anyone, they have to want to sign, and the pre-McDavid Oilers had to overpay even mediocre players to get them on the roster. The team is still working to change their well-deserved bad reputation with goaltenders, but it’s going to take some time and a few decisions like how they handled LB to fix it.

None of that matters.

Also,

Use paragraphs.

jtblack

PROSPECT UPDATE: As I finished the 1st update; our boy Benson just beat our boy Skinner; again !

jtblack

PROSPECT UPDATE: Our Boy, Benson, just scored on our boy, Skinner.

Woodguy v2.0

OriginalPouzar:
Benoit Pouliot is a healthy scratch for BUF tonight.

Interesting as many have used his buyout as an example of a bad move by Chiarelli – maybe was a bad move and maybe it still is but, after a solid start to the year by Pouliot, it seems he’s struggling now.

No, it was a terrible move.

Woodguy v2.0

Scungilli Slushy,

I think the analysis around prospects should be more about finding impact players as opposed to marginal players that barely hang on to careers that may play 100 games or more as replacement level players.

The analysis around prospects IS about finding impact players.

Like baseball, if you can hit .300 for a career you’re among the best of all time.

Getting a player in the 2nd round who plays 177 NHL games is a win.

Seriously.

Woodguy v2.0

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): If he sees it that way, then that’s great and good for him. It could also go the other way. You could be right. Let’s hope. Healthy competition in net has not happened in quite some time. Wouldn’t mind seeing Talbot pushed more, but having a backup who might be able to play 20 games capably is more important at this point. I do think Talbot was overworked last year.

I’m fascinated by the former very good starters who are killing the backup role.

This year’s star pupil is Ryan Miller who puts up a .935 in 11 games while Gibson puts up .924 as the starter and another goalie I’ve always liked, Reto Berra puts up a .932 in 4 games.

I know Lindholm is a top 5 Dman in the NHL but he doesn’t play 60 minutes, nor is he a wizard.

Starting goalies like Miller usually get used as starters past the age where they should and they decline quickly.

Seeing teams use them as backups with backup frequency might extend their shelf life.

Its not like they’re expensive either.

Miller costs less than Montoya.

1 year contract too. Might have been thinking he can get another starters contract by doing one year, but making a million in the NHL is a good way to pass time.

Woodguy v2.0

Munny:
NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

Doesn’t it tell him that he’s going to have to compete hard for the backup spot next year?

If he does, and wins it back, Montoya either doesn’t make it through waivers or he’s in Bako at a cap hit of $162K.

It tells him that EDM isn’t going to qualify him and he might ask his agent to start looking for jobs in Europe.

Pays way better than the AHL and you’re still playing hockey for a living at a pretty great wage and living the dream.

Woodguy v2.0

digger50:
Just another perspective to share…

Why was Maroon slitheringout of the rink feeling like crap? I know it was the penalty that lost the game. However, did we forget the days when Oil were fun out of the rink, beaten and belittled? Lord we needed Maroon and what he brings, and we still need him.

Doughty inferred he was going after M David and then proceeded to do so. You cannot let that happen. If it costs a game or a suspension so be it, but you cannot let that happen period.

Because if you do, it just leads to taking more and more shit until you are neutered. And losing. Pay the price up front and make your point loud and clear.

What happens against the Ducks? Several clear attempts to injure in my opinion.Vicious cross he is and slashes Uncalled by the refs. Instead of having Kassian leave his balls in the dressing room, turn him loose. You cannot allow that nonsense to stand.

Oilers won the day but I felt the Ducks made a greater statement about “how things are going to be”.I hope some one buys Maroon a beer for sticking up for his teammates because we are going to need him.

If he does get moved at the deadline, I think there is zero chance his skill set will be replaced. Best scenario is we manage to resign him at a decent rate.

I agree.

Maroon’s skillset isn’t duplicated on the roster.

EDM should trade for Lucic or Kassian.

Woodguy v2.0

OriginalPouzar: Well, yes, as I was responding to a post about offence at the AHL level.

*best North Dakota accent*

Well ok then.

leadfarmer

OmJo,

Cap hit to stay on the Oilers 4 mil. Cap hit at 50% retention 2 mil. Contract he signed with Buffalo 1.15 mil. Any questions?

OriginalPouzar

nelson88:
Samourkov now 1G 1A +4.two very good games since returning.

Thank you for the update – I didn’t realize that Guelph was playing tonight.

Plus 4 with a 4-1 lead is very impressive.

He is putting up box cars with regularity now – seems like he’s getting more and more comfortable.

OriginalPouzar

Munny: You’d think he would’ve been immediately activated then.He has not been.I’m guessing you have an official source stating he has been cleared?

Activation might also be subject to clearance by Oiler doctors, which could be part of the delay.Who’s to know since the NHL keeps its internecine protocols so close to the chest.

Another suspicion, which I left unsaid in my original post, was that perhaps Montoya was cleared some time ago, but was being a good soldier until the Habs could find him a landing spot.

There are some curious aspects to the situation.

Might be true, maybe not.

I read yesterday that he was cleared on Jan 1 – I think it was in the game thread – not sure what the original source was.

Chiarelli said that Borssoit will be travelling with the team to Dallas and Montoya will meet him there and then management will make the determination on roster moves. He said they didn’t want to make a move too early as you never know what could happen (a player could get sick, etc.).

Pouzar

Eddie P. getting a material push in BAK.

AsiaOil

Woodguy v2.0: NHL back ups play for many teams in many markets.

Most just want a 2 year deal and not a one year deal.

Don’t buy it, especially with 97 on the team and a new rink.

All NHL players want to be treated fairly, but especially goalies. Post-Sather the Oilers developed a reputation as a goalie graveyard, who aside from Rolo, really didn’t treat their goalies terribly well. It’s not just a 2 year deal that goalies want. The best backups get several offers of that sort and they take one from the best org who will give them a fair shake. Life is tenuous for a backup. One bad run and your NHL career is done. Look what happened to Scrivens and Fasth, and is was pretty clear that the Oilers almost destroyed Dubnyk’s career for no particularly good reason. Fair was not associated with the Oilers and people notice. IMHO this is why they have given LB so much rope. They had to appear to give him a legit shot (which in my opinion they did) before they ditch him to continue rebuilding their reputation in the goalie market. Bottomline is that you just can’t sign anyone, they have to want to sign, and the pre-McDavid Oilers had to overpay even mediocre players to get them on the roster. The team is still working to change their well-deserved bad reputation with goaltenders, but it’s going to take some time and a few decisions like how they handled LB to fix it.

OmJo

OriginalPouzar:
Benoit Pouliot is a healthy scratch for BUF tonight.

Interesting as many have used his buyout as an example of a bad move by Chiarelli – maybe was a bad move and maybe it still is but, after a solid start to the year by Pouliot, it seems he’s struggling now.

From late December…

https://thehockeywriters.com/pouliot-earning-keep-buffalo-sabres/

Not only has Pouliot pulled his weight on the score sheet, he has also contributed significantly to the Sabres’ much-improved penalty kill unit.

While at a glance Pouliot’s production doesn’t appear particularly impressive, he’s doing all of the little things right. Though he will likely never live up to his draft status, he has carved out a nice little niche for himself in Buffalo. If he can keep it up, he’ll command a modest pay increase on the open market next offseason.

Noteworthy…

As the trade deadline approaches and injuries continue to pile up across the league, Botterill could opt to flip the veteran winger to a team with playoff aspirations looking to boost their bottom-six. Though Pouliot has played well this season, he likely won’t factor into the Sabres’ future plans.

Could maybe be traded? Guess we’ll see.

He’s a serviceable player and would be very useful to have on this team right now.

nelson88

Samourkov now 1G 1A +4. two very good games since returning.

Munny

Conor Timmins had a helluva shift just before the commercial break