Promise

In summer, the collective math of the NHL can be digested in full. We’ll know just how close Connor McDavid gets to 100 points, we’ll know if Jesse Puljujarvi gets to 20 goals. If he gets to 20 goals at 19, in less than a full season, music! We’ll watch Patrick Maroon in the playoffs and wonder about a return via free agency, but the numbers, the boxcars, they will tell much of the story. As strange as this season has been for the Edmonton Oilers, there are things coming into view.

THE ATHLETIC!

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I’m not much for strutting like a peacock or pouring my ego out all over the internet, but will tell you the three new pieces listed here are the bomb. I’m proud as a peacock to be writing with these gentlemen and that’s a fact.

THE CURRENT OILERS

  • This is the current roster, with projected numbers if all things remain equal.
  • Edmonton would have five 20-goal men (Connor McDavid, Nuge, Patrick Maroon, Leon Draisaitl, Jesse Puljujarvi).
  • I’ve highlighted the players who will be lost in free agency (in black) and have my trade candidates in yellow (your mileage may vary). These are not my choices for trade, but rather the ones most likely to be dealt by Peter Chiarelli.
  • The defense and goaltending are likely to remain intact, but all three forward positions will undergo an overhaul.

PROJECTED NEW ROSTER

  • I moved the players most likely to be traded by Peter Chiarelli this summer (Nuge, Oscar Klefbom and Ryan Strome) in my opinion. Plus a draft pick.
  • There’s better speed up front, more skill too. There’s depth at center, still some wobble on the wings and I think there’s way better penalty-killing talent (Pageau, Paajarvi).
  • Tyson Barrie will help the power play, so will Mike Hoffman.
  • J-G Pageau would be a terrific option, can’t claim credit for it (Jason Strudwick has been talking about it for awhile).
  • I would not trade Nuge or Klefbom. Seriously.
  • I did a very loose cap cipher and think this roster can come in under $80 million.
  • The two risks PC would be making: Skill RW (still unproven) and the two veteran LD (Sekera, Russell) won’t falter.

JESSE PULJUJARVI EMERGING

In a season filled with frustration, if you’re looking for one true thing this is it. JP scoring at a 20-goal pace offers hope that another quality offensive player will be added to Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl. It’s a mammoth happening and Puljujarvi plays a position of weakness making it double barreled. It’s a big moment in team building.

Central Scouting releases its list today, you can expect a steady pour of draft updates from here on in. The Central list is used as a guide but in recent seasons also represents the industry thinking so we’ll have a few surprises today I’m sure. I will tell you Ty Smith and Oliver Wahlstrom are the most intriguing names for me in the first round for Edmonton.

THE NEXT HEBIG

  • Brock Otten, OHL Prospects: Nikita Korostelev – Winger – Peterborough Petes
    The former Leafs draft pick has had a pretty good season for Peterborough after failing to earn a pro contract this offseason. The size (6’1, 200lbs) and skill package is going to be alluring for NHL scouts. Korostelev has a great shot with an extremely quick and powerful release. And his skill with the puck is unquestioned. He creates a lot of time and space for himself in the offensive zone, especially coming off the wall or if he can get a step on a defender coming down the wing. One on one, he can be tough to stop. But his skating just has not improved over the course of his OHL career, as he lacks separation ability, relying on his hands to create that space. And not enough of his goals are scored in the middle of the ice. A guy with his size should dominate down low, but it just hasn’t been the case consistently over the course of his OHL career. There are certainly flashes, but that’s been the criticism since his minor midget days. I think he plays pro somewhere next year and if a coach can truly motivate him to change the way he plays, he could be an asset to an organization.
  • OHL Prospects

Speed is an issue and if we’re talking draft then this is probably a non-starter. However, with his skill set Korostelev should eventually thrive and could work his way up the ladder. Low risk bet (he can be signed to an entry-level deal today) just like Cameron Hebig.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning, TSN1260, beginning at 10. I won’t brag about the Eagles win, but will mention it a time or two.

  • Pierre Lebrun, TSN & The Athletic. Trade deadline, Coffey in Edmonton, glory in Vegas.
  • Andy McNamara, TSN. Andy will make me feel good about the Eagles win and then deliver a death blow with the truth about New England.
  • Jason Gregor, TSN1260. Back from vacation and ready to talk Super Bowl and Oilers.
  • Ken Boehlke, Sin Bin Vegas. Those Golden Knights have set the hockey world on its collective keister.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Looking forward to The Athletic articles on the PP and Defence review.

    The Willis review of the forwards was eye opening in many regards – it was scoring chance oriented and I wonder what metric he’s used for the defence.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Those projected numbers for Puljijarvi are quite nice for a 19 year old.

    I know they will be partially zoomed by McDavid but if he can hit them playing the rest of the season without McDavid, that will be a huge boon.

    The best part of the game against Vancouver was Jesse’s huge game (I almost used the word dominance) away from McDavid – its key that he can be a positive factor away from Connor.

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    There look to be two holes in the top 6 going in to next season with Maroon’s impending departure and Caggulia not being an actual top 6 forward.

    One of those could potentially be filled indirectly if Strome is able to be a positive player at 3C (and he’s show the ability to do so in a very small sample size – consistency here is a huge unkown) – that would allow both Drai and Nuge to be in the top 6. I don’t think that is a long-term fix by any stretch but may be an option for a one-year stop gap until one of the prospect wingers is ready for the top 6.

    Of course, we know Lowetide feels Yamamoto will be in Edmonton in October – many agree, many don’t.

    Maybe they bring Maroon back? I go back and forth on this but my opinion on cost has not wavered. I don’t think we can pay full market value for this player – I don’t think we can spend $4.25M (or higher) X 4. We would need this player to give us a “hometown discount” which really is fantasy as I don’t think I’ve ever seen it happen.

    Another wild card is our first round pick – if we win the 2nd or 3rd lottery we will be drafting a high end forward – these players are often/generally ready to make a top 6 impact at draft plus one.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    Whoa, that projected roster is something else – that is a lot of material change.

    I will need some time with it before I can formulate an opinion.

    I can’t see us trading both Klefbom and Nuge – in fact, I don’t see us trading either this spring/summer (although one could go).

    I salivate at the thought of Klefbom and Nurse being our top 2 left D for the next decade and can’t fathom a world where we have to trade Oscar Klefbom because Kris Russell’s cap hit is about the same and he has a NMC – that’s a perverse outcome that’s only mitigated if there is huge value being returned in the Klefbom trade.

  5. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    The Willis reviews and Dellow’s break down of the special teams have been worth the price of the Athletic alone.

    Oh, and your stuff is great too.

    Agreed on Oliver Wahlstrom.

    I have EDM finishing 24th so picking 8th (before the lottery balls drop) and he should be available there.

    Funny thing is that he’s a RH shooter.

    With JP & Yamamoto skilled RW with high ceilings aren’t in short supply right now, but LW are.

    This goddamn team kills me.

    In two years they’ll be short LD, just watch.

  6. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: The Willis reviews and Dellow’s break down of the special teams have been worth the price of the Athletic alone.

    seconded.

    Woodguy v2.0: In two years they’ll be short LD, just watch.

    ha ha.

    Woodguy v2.0: This goddamn team kills me

    yup

  7. jake70 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    The Willis reviews and Dellow’s break down of the special teams have been worth the price of the Athletic alone.

    Oh, and your stuff is great too.

    Agreed on Oliver Wahlstrom.

    I have EDM finishing 24th so picking 8th (before the lottery balls drop) and he should be available there.

    Funny thing is that he’s a RH shooter.

    With JP &Yamamoto skilled RW with high ceilings aren’t in short supply right now, but LW are.

    This goddamn team kills me.

    In two years they’ll be short LD, just watch.

    Salary cap management – just one big game of whack-a-mole it seems.

  8. Durag says:

    Trading Klefbom would be insanity – have we seriously not learned our lesson about selling low? He makes Kris Russell money. He will get better.

    I wonder if there is any plan to (finally) audition Strome on McDavid’s wing. Does it not behoove the organization to at least give it a go in a lost season before inevitably trading him, and by extension Eberle, for a mid-round pick?

  9. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar: can’t fathom a world where we have to trade Oscar Klefbom because Kris Russell’s cap hit is about the same and he has a NMC

    trading Klefbom or whoever except McDavid is fine, as long as the return is solid.

    If we are trading Klefbom for a similar right shot Dman to better balance the D pairs, then thats fine.

    Trading Klefbom for a player still in his ELC because we are in cap hell and we need to save money WHILE keeping Russell would be foolish. I think that is what you mean.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    Durag:

    I wonder if there is any plan to (finally) audition Strome on McDavid’s wing. Does it not behoove the organization to at least give it a go in a lost season before inevitably trading him, and by extension Eberle, for a mid-round pick?

    With the Nuge injury – I think the audition is at 3C for the next 6 weeks or else we are looking at Letestu or Khaira centering the 3rd line.

  11. dustrock says:

    Meanwhile in MSM we have a David Staples article approvingly summarizing a conversation between Rishaug and Ferraro about McDavid still has to improve and that this season might get him to a “Crosby-level” of effort and preparation.

    Still needs to work on his shot and faceoffs.

    Then Staples says Draisaitl and Puljujarvi have to improve as well.

    Because Hall, Eberle, Nuge and (I shit you not) Hemsky didn’t do that.

    Ah yes, we can blame the travails of the team this season on the fact that McDavid, Drai and Jesse just haven’t found the right effort level yet.

    You know, the winner of the Hart Trophy at age 20.

    I can’t even.

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    frjohnk: trading Klefbom or whoever except McDavid is fine, as long as the return is solid.

    If we are trading Klefbom for a similar right shot Dman to better balance the D pairs, then thats fine.

    Trading Klefbom for a player still in his ELC because we are in cap hell and we need to save money WHILE keeping Russell would be foolish.I think that is what you mean.

    Yes, we are on the same page here.

    I just don’t imagine we would get full value for Klef and that contract if he traded him this spring.

  13. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar: I just don’t imagine we would get full value for Klef and that contract if he traded him this spring.

    yup. same page.

  14. Durag says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    From what I’ve seen (and I haven’t been following the Oilers super closely in 2018) he doesn’t bring enough in that role to justify his salary. A 3C who scores ~30 points is replacement level, you can’t pay that guy $3M. If he could however replace Maroon’s offence playing with McDavid and is younger and likely cheaper than Maroon going forward, that would have some value.

  15. Woogie63 says:

    Next year’s UFA are a very good class

    To be REALLY fixed this summer

    1. Solve Connor’s line without moving Driasaitl there. – Grabner
    2. Talbot bounce back – Much better back up goalie
    3. Solve PK – Take McDavid and Draisaitl off those units – RNH, Kassian, Khaira, ???
    4. Solve PP – Yamamoto and Puljajarvi play a bigger role
    5. Move Benning to 7th dman – replace with Bear (see point number 4)
    6. Affordable contracts – Benson, Yamamoto, Khaira, Bear, the new Cammi rental

  16. bendelson says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Agreed on Oliver Wahlstrom.
    I have EDM finishing 24th so picking 8th (before the lottery balls drop) and he should be available there.

    I hope you are right about Wahlstrom being available at 8…
    I don’t see it.
    At 8, I see the Oilers waffling over which D to take and don’t fear a shortage of LD anytime soon, given I think they choose Ty Smith…

  17. frjohnk says:

    Next year, with the cap hits of McDavid, Draisaitl, Lucic, and RNH, Oilers need guys in the bottom 6 who are value contracts, especially since we should be looking at adding a shooting winger in the top 6.

    Thats why guys like Strome at 3M and Kassian and Letestu at just under $2M are being paid too much for what they bring in the bottom 6 to be value contracts.

    Letestu is UFA and if Strome is not qualified at $3M he becomes UFA as well. I think most here would like to see another option at 4C and move on from Letestu. As for Strome, Oilers need to see if he is a fit for them in the bottom 6 and would he accept a lower salary from the Oilers. If not, then best to ship him out at the deadline. Probably get a 2nd rounder. Unfortunately in this situation, getting only a 2nd rounder would be a step backwards in our mini rebuild/retool moving forward.

    Not saying we should ship Kassian out, with more consistency and a better penalty differential he could be a value contract. A better center than Letestu would probably help Kassian.

    Khaira at $675,000 is a great value contract. Will need a few more of those next year.

  18. slopitch says:

    dustrock,

    I don’t think the comments by Staples are way off base. One of the reasons I’m pissed about the Olypmics this year (other then the great hockey) is that 97 will miss an opportunity to skate, practice and prepare beside 87. Like Gretzky said about the 81 series and Mario said about the 87 series, they learned a lot from the guys who had won before him. It’s a rare opportunity. I also think it’s fair to say McDavid is the best player and has some areas for growth in his game. He’s just 21.

  19. dustrock says:

    slopitch:
    dustrock,

    I don’t think the comments by Staples are way off base. One of the reasons I’m pissed about the Olypmics this year (other then the great hockey) is that 97 will miss an opportunity to skate, practice and prepare beside 87. Like Gretzky said about the 81 series and Mario said about the 87 series, they learned a lot from the guys who had won before him. It’s a rare opportunity. I also think it’s fair to say McDavid is the best player and has some areas for growth in his game. He’s just 21.

    Well, I don’t buy that narrative. He’s already reached out to Gretzky and Crosby since he was a toddler essentially, and has Orr as his agent.

    What really drives me crazy is pointing at the failures of the team at lack of preparation, and then mentioning Hall, Eberle, and RNH (and Hemsky!!) not putting in the work.

    Yes, Hemsky was first off the ice at practice, that’s why the Oilers were bad.

  20. JimmyV1965 says:

    dustrock:
    Meanwhile in MSM we have a David Staples article approvingly summarizing a conversation between Rishaug and Ferraro about McDavid still has to improve and that this season might get him to a “Crosby-level” of effort and preparation.

    Still needs to work on his shot and faceoffs.

    Then Staples says Draisaitl and Puljujarvi have to improve as well.

    Because Hall, Eberle, Nuge and (I shit you not) Hemsky didn’t do that.

    Ahyes, we can blame the travails of the team this season on the fact that McDavid, Drai and Jesse just haven’t found the right effort level yet.

    You know, the winner of the Hart Trophy at age 20.

    I can’t even.

    I read the article and came away with a completely different take. In no way, shape or form did he blame the travails of this team on McDavid, Drai or JP. He basically said that to get to the next level guys need to work on areas of the game they don’t excel at, like face offs and shooting for McDavid.

    He did quote Rishaug and say that when McDavid arrived in Edmonton he was met by a group of players who never worked on their game, including Hall, Ebs, RNH, Schultz and going back to Hemsky. I’m not sure if this is fair or not.

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    Durag:
    OriginalPouzar,

    From what I’ve seen (and I haven’t been following the Oilers super closely in 2018) he doesn’t bring enough in that role to justify his salary. A 3C who scores ~30 points is replacement level, you can’t pay that guy $3M. If he could however replace Maroon’s offence playing with McDavid and is younger and likely cheaper than Maroon going forward, that would have some value.

    I don’t disagree with Strome and the $3M cap hit. I don’t profess that we actually qualify him at that amount but that a cheaper contract be negotiated prior to the deadline to tender the qualifying offer – on the assumption he is able to handle the 3C role well through the end of the season (big assumption at this point).

    I’m fine trying him in the top 6 on the wing – he hasn’t had a shot there since the 3rd pre-season game.

    With Nuge out though, we need him to play 3C – the top 6 wing audition will have to wait until Nuge is back, if the audition ever happens.

  22. jtblack says:

    LT: If that Lineup starts next September I am all in. Way more Balance.

    We have to move 1 of Sekera, Nurse & Oscar do we not? They should all get Top 4 mins, so 1 has to go. Sek has No Move (Peter hands those out like party gifts) ….

    If we develop Talent and utilize it in a trade, that is OK. IE: Swap out Oscar for Barrie?? Problem is, as you all have pointed out, PC doesnt seem to bring back anything close to FAIR VALUE.

    We Wait.

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63:
    Next year’s UFA are a very good class

    To be REALLY fixed this summer

    1. Solve Connor’s line without moving Driasaitl there. – Grabner
    2. Talbot bounce back – Much better back up goalie
    3. Solve PK – Take McDavid and Draisaitl off those units – RNH, Kassian, Khaira, ???
    4. Solve PP – Yamamoto and Puljajarvi play a bigger role
    5. Move Benning to 7th dman – replace with Bear (see point number 4)
    6. Affordable contracts – Benson, Yamamoto, Khaira, Bear, the new Cammi rental

    3) I would definitely keep McDavid killing penalties – he is one of our better forwards at that skill and his presence out there keeps the PP on their toes as they have to be aware of him

    4) I have Yamamoto pencilled in to start next season in the AHL. He may make the NHL team but I don’t think we can go in to camp counting on him being a material top 6 player – management needs to find some real competition for the top 6 – will be tough with limited funds

    5) I greatly disagree. I don’t imagine any of our current AHL prospects graduating to the NHL next year. Bear is having a nice season but its very early in his pro career – we need to slow play these d-men.

    6) I love me some Tyler Benson but I can’t imagine him making the team out of camp next year (nor Bear). Yamamoto has a shot.

  24. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock:
    Meanwhile in MSM we have a David Staples article approvingly summarizing a conversation between Rishaug and Ferraro about McDavid still has to improve and that this season might get him to a “Crosby-level” of effort and preparation.

    Still needs to work on his shot and faceoffs.

    Then Staples says Draisaitl and Puljujarvi have to improve as well.

    Because Hall, Eberle, Nuge and (I shit you not) Hemsky didn’t do that.

    Ahyes, we can blame the travails of the team this season on the fact that McDavid, Drai and Jesse just haven’t found the right effort level yet.

    You know, the winner of the Hart Trophy at age 20.

    I can’t even.

    If a team isn’t doing well I expect the MSM to:

    1) Blame the best players

    If a team is doing well I expect them to:

    1) Praise the coach and GM.
    2) Write about how the gritty 4th liners with heart are making a difference (while ignoring they are 43%GF)

  25. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    bendelson: I hope you are right about Wahlstrom being available at 8…
    I don’t see it.
    At 8, I see the Oilers waffling over which D to take and don’t fear a shortage of LD anytime soon, given I think they choose Ty Smith…

    If he’s ranked 7th he should be there at 8th.

    Its a rare, rare, rare day that the top 7 gone are the “consensus top 7”

    Central scouting just released their NA and International rankings.

    They had Wahlstrom 7th among NA skaters…..so he may have a consensus ranking of ~10 at draft time.

  26. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    bendelson: I hope you are right about Wahlstrom being available at 8…
    I don’t see it.
    At 8, I see the Oilers waffling over which D to take and don’t fear a shortage of LD anytime soon, given I think they choose Ty Smith…

    What if Evan Bouchard is there when they pick?

  27. Professor Q says:

    dustrock:
    Meanwhile in MSM we have a David Staples article approvingly summarizing a conversation between Rishaug and Ferraro about McDavid still has to improve and that this season might get him to a “Crosby-level” of effort and preparation.

    Still needs to work on his shot and faceoffs.

    Then Staples says Draisaitl and Puljujarvi have to improve as well.

    Because Hall, Eberle, Nuge and (I shit you not) Hemsky didn’t do that.

    Ahyes, we can blame the travails of the team this season on the fact that McDavid, Drai and Jesse just haven’t found the right effort level yet.

    You know, the winner of the Hart Trophy at age 20.

    I can’t even.

    Crosby always improves his workouts. He didn’t start seriously working on his shot and other things (like faceoffs – his first year he was mostly Lemieux’s winger) that he never really used before the NHL until like his 3rd or 4th season, when he switched to a composite stick from his famous uncurved wooden one. Mind you, he was likely pissed that Ovechkin was a better scorer and had something to prove to everyone.

    So Crosby wasn’t really Crosby until a few years in.

    Stamkos wasn’t really Stamkos until a few years in, when he started working on his conditioning with Gary Roberts and giving up fast food.

    Lots of other examples.

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  29. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Professor Q,

    So Crosby wasn’t really Crosby until a few years in.

    Like McDavid, Crosby won the Hart trophy at 19.

  30. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: What if Evan Bouchard is there when they pick?

    Yes please. Regular size and can skate, right shot and more points in a tougher league. From what Ive read hustles on D as well if not a stalwart.

  31. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk:
    Next year, with the cap hits of McDavid, Draisaitl, Lucic, and RNH, Oilers need guys in the bottom 6 who are value contracts, especially since we should be looking at adding a shooting winger in the top 6.

    Thats why guys like Strome at 3M and Kassian and Letestu at just under $2M are being paid too much for what they bring in the bottom 6 to be value contracts.

    Letestu is UFA and if Strome is not qualified at $3M he becomes UFA as well.I think most here would like to see another option at 4C and move on from Letestu.As for Strome, Oilers need to see if he is a fit for them in the bottom 6 and would he accept a lower salary from the Oilers.If not, then best to ship him out at the deadline. Probably get a 2nd rounder.Unfortunately in this situation, getting only a 2nd rounder would be a step backwards in our mini rebuild/retool moving forward.

    Not saying we should ship Kassian out, with more consistency and a better penalty differential he could be a value contract.A better center than Letestu would probably help Kassian.

    Khaira at $675,000 is a great value contract.Will need a few more of those next year.

    One of my favorites league wide is Paul Byron on MTL.

    1.16MM/yr.

    Next year is 3rd year of 3 year contract.

    If Peter does a trade with MTL this summer I’d council him to get Byron thrown in.

    I gotta run, but he’s a very interesting player.

  32. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Professor Q,

    So Crosby wasn’t really Crosby until a few years in.

    Like McDavid, Crosby won the Hart trophy at 19.

    And Stamkos won the Maurice Richard just after he turned 20 (basically 19).

    Like Crosby and Stamkos, McDavid will continue to improve on already achieved greatness and skill.

    Surely a smart man such as yourself understood that that was the point of my post?

  33. russ99 says:

    I’m sure there’s some vaildidty to the Connor can do more story,

    He already has the Jordan-like competitive steak, and the all world skills, so he can only get better with more of a focus on things off the ice and how he can improve his skill set, not to mention the added physical strength as he gets into his 20s.

    As for this summer, I’d keep Klefbom, and move the RFAs (Benning and Caggiula too) and Nuge to get the cap room. We can fill in the bottom six with value NHL veterans that are out there every mid-late July.

    Klefbom is still not the finished project, and lost time due earlier injuries and his infection didn’t help. Luckily we signed him to a below market but ascending contract, so as with Nurse last year, I’d give him another year to turn the corner. Give him the most time with Coffey too.

  34. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JimmyV1965: He did quote Rishaug and say that when McDavid arrived in Edmonton he was met by a group of players who never worked on their game, including Hall, Ebs, RNH, Schultz and going back to Hemsky. I’m not sure if this is fair or not.

    I’m not sure about all, but Hall said so himself about last summer. I was kind of surprised. As in really, your on the worst team ever, Olympic snubs, lots of criticism around the league, and you weren’t working your butt off to get better in the summer?

  35. OmJo says:

    OriginalPouzar: With the Nuge injury – I think the audition is at 3C for the next 6 weeks or else we are looking at Letestu or Khaira centering the 3rd line.

    I think it’d be better trying him at 1RW. We’re in need of wingers next season, not C’s – until we trade Nuge this June. Then we’ll need both.

    #BecauseOilers

    Edit: If this team cap dumps Nuge to keep Strome at $3M/year I’ll be pissed. Strome isn’t half the player Nuge is.

  36. JimmyV1965 says:

    Professor Q: And Stamkos won the Maurice Richard just after he turned 20 (basically 19).

    Like Crosby and Stamkos, McDavid will continue to improve on already achieved greatness and skill.

    Surely a smart man such as yourself understood that that was the point of my post?

    And that was basically what Staples said in hit article. He didn’t blame any player for the team’s performance.

  37. OriginalPouzar says:

    slopitch:
    dustrock,

    I don’t think the comments by Staples are way off base. One of the reasons I’m pissed about the Olypmics this year (other then the great hockey) is that 97 will miss an opportunity to skate, practice and prepare beside 87. Like Gretzky said about the 81 series and Mario said about the 87 series, they learned a lot from the guys who had won before him. It’s a rare opportunity. I also think it’s fair to say McDavid is the best player and has some areas for growth in his game. He’s just 21.

    They will have that chance in China in 2022 – Crosby will still be among the best players in the league.

    With that said, Crosby will likely be regressing and your point is still valid – it won’t be the same as if they got the chance this year.

    McDavid as a 25 year old will be simply ridiculous though.

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    I’m sure there’s some vaildidty to the Connor can do more story,

    He already has the Jordan-like competitive steak, and the all world skills, so he can only get better with more of a focus on things off the ice and how he can improve his skill set, not to mention the added physical strength as he gets into his 20s.

    As for this summer, I’d keep Klefbom, and move the RFAs (Benning and Caggiula too) and Nuge to get the cap room. We can fill in the bottom six with value NHL veterans that are out there every mid-late July.

    Klefbom is still not the finished project, and lost time due earlier injuries and his infection didn’t help. Luckily we signed him to a below market but ascending contract, so as with Nurse last year, I’d give him another year to turn the corner. Give him the most time with Coffey too.

    I don’t think that dumping the RFAs like Benning and Caggulia creates any cap room for us – they are currently roster players and would need to be replaced on the roster. I don’t imagine either will cost any more than $2M so, unless we are able to replace them with a player on their ELC, we aren’t really saving much on the cap.

    I’m also not willing to give up on Benning, especially since we are likely looking at a $1.5M X2 type of contract. Benning played very well last year, he has regressed this year but its his second year pro – there is a player there and he could be back next year in fine form.

  39. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Here’s something to note about the top 50 point getting D so far this year. I realize that ‘smaller is the new black’.

    Only 6 are listed under 6’0. Goligoski and Ghost are 5’11. Two at 5’10. Only two under that. There are very few successful shorter D because of the nature of the position – the need for reach. It matters less for forwards, for them IMO if small they need to be fast.

    Not that a shorter than normal D won’t be great, just that it adds a fair amount of risk to the pick panning out given so few seem to become impact players at the NHL level. If picking between two similar D and one is on the short side for a what typical NHL D is, I’m going with the more typical sized player to hedge my bet.

  40. Brantford Boy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: What if Evan Bouchard is there when they pick?

    Looks good… but tell me the bio on Noah Dobson doesn’t sound like the perfect Paul Coffey protege…

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bit of a PP shuffle at practice today:

    Klefbom, McDavid, Draisaitl, Letestu, Lucic

    Nurse, Caggiula, Puljujarvi, Strome, Maroon

    I’m not really sure who the QB will be on that 2nd unit…….

  42. GMB3 says:

    JimmyV1965: I read the article and came away with a completely different take. In no way, shape or form did he blame the travails of this team on McDavid, Drai or JP. He basically said that to get to the next level guys need to work on areas of the game they don’t excel at, like face offs and shooting for McDavid.

    He did quote Rishaug and say that when McDavid arrived in Edmonton he was met by a group of players who never worked on their game, including Hall, Ebs, RNH, Schultz and going back to Hemsky. I’m not sure if this is fair or not.

    This makes me sick that some people believe the shit a hack like Staples writes. Yeah Taylor Hall doesn’t work on his game, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary about him being a freak with his training from the time he was still in junior.

  43. Primetime says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Bit of a PP shuffle at practice today:

    Klefbom, McDavid, Draisaitl, Letestu, Lucic

    Nurse, Caggiula, Puljujarvi, Strome, Maroon

    I’m not really sure who the QB will be on that 2nd unit…….

    I would stay Strome…at least he has a history at centre and a decent playmaker.

    Last game there was truly no QB on PP2 and it was predictably atrocious.

  44. jtblack says:

    Underage Bantam; Matthew Savioe just lead the John Reid Memorial Tourny with 18 pts in 6 games 😲

    I am sure a lot know his name, but for those that don’t, take note.

    Exceptional status to WHL? heard it has been discussed

  45. jtblack says:

    NHL DRAFT:
    Oilers should consider Calen Addison in the 2nd round if hes there.
    Small, skiled RHD. Major Offensive force from the back end.

    Similiar to Kale Clague, who the Kings grabbed in the 2nd round a couple years ago.

  46. Primetime says:

    GMB3: This makes me sick that some people believe the shit a hack like Staples writes. Yeah Taylor Hall doesn’t work on his game, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary about him being a freak with his training from the time he was still in junior.

    Maybe they mean working on parts of his game that will improve on-ice results vs. physical fitness?

    I have absolutely no insider knowledge, nor do I care either way, but read this article from the National Post (Nov 2017) before you judge others.

    http://nationalpost.com/sports/hockey/nhl/taylor-halls-winter-of-discontent-became-a-summer-of-reinvention-leading-to-this-seasons-rebirth

    Some quotes from those who WOULD know are interesting (like Shero and Hall himself):

    ” But Shero didn’t mince words. He said that Hall’s season had been disappointing and that his on and off-ice work habits needed to change”

    “If you want to be a playoff player, you have to change things in your game, and you have to change the way your practice.”

    “Hall skated in Toronto with Edmonton’s Connor McDavid and Dallas’ Tyler Seguin and many of the top NHLers. He wanted to learn from them, figure out what they were doing that he wasn’t. It was an acknowledgement that whatever Hall had been doing was not good enough.”

    ““He’s a real smart kid,” Shero said. “Hey, anyone can say they want to run a Boston Marathon, but unless you prepare that way for it it’s not going to happen. I think he’s really come back and it really starts in practice. He’s been a tremendous practice player, which is really important.”

  47. Cassandra says:

    Primetime,

    That is typical journalism just-so stories. It isn’t evidence.

  48. Primetime says:

    Cassandra:
    Primetime,

    That is typical journalism just-so stories.It isn’t evidence.

    With direct quotes from his GM and the player himself? Who changed the way he does things and is leading his team to the playoffs with a career year?

    I’m not sure how much more evidence you would require but are not likely going to get more than that. So if your viewpoint is set, it’s set and that’s fine. Unless you know of some way to quantify this with a double blinded randomized controlled trial….

    Thankfully the player that you are supporting is more open minded and changed the way he does things. I wish nothing but the best and success for Taylor Hall and glad he is open to doing different things to get there.

  49. Bobcaygeon says:

    Ah ya Hall……He never gave a shit about his game……

    This is the same guy that had a relationship with McDavid prior to McDavid even joining the Oilers because they knew each other from Gary Roberts fitness camps putting the extra effort to get bigger faster stronger….

    This is the same guy the Oilers allowed McDavid to live with his first year as an Oiler……..So he could show Connor what its going to take to be a professional….

    This is the same guy who goes on national TV and radio explaining about how hard he worked to make the Oilers better, only to be trade just as he see the light……

    what a “Me first Asshole”

    I agree that Chiarelli is most likely going to trade Klefbom, I think he might not be allowed to trade Nuge…

    I also think Puljijarvi name may appear on a trade request or two….

    I honestly think everyone should be open to trade except McDavid and Nurse..

    Lastly…I predict if the Oilers are in the 4 to 8 range in the draft this year they will win the lottery!

  50. godot10 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I’m not sure about all, but Hall said so himself about last summer. I was kind of surprised. As in really, your on the worst team ever, Olympic snubs, lots of criticism around the league, and you weren’t working your butt off to get better in the summer?

    McDavid goes to Roberts’ Biosteel Camp. Media says he is working on improving his game.

    Hall went to that same Biosteel Camp with McDavid the summer before McDavid’s rookie year. Media says Hall has never worked on improving his game.

  51. bendelson says:

    jtblack: Oilers should consider Calen Addison in the 2nd round if hes there.

    It’s still early, but if the Oilers drafted Wahlstrom and Addison in the first two rounds, I would be very pleased.

  52. dustrock says:

    The point isn’t that McDavid can improve or Draisaitl can improve or whoever. That advice along the line of “please don’t eat the yellow snow”.

    And I’ve got a lot of time for someone like Ferraro, who should be in management.

    The point is that Staples can’t help himself, he immediately has to attack former Oilers like Hall, Nuge (ha ha ha), Eberle and Hemsky.

    The knives have been out for those guys for years. Seemed like the media hated Hemsky sometimes. Eberle isn’t gritty. Hall isn’t great in the room, blah blah blah.

    Yes, the star players are the problem. Sure.

    Meanwhile this embarrassingly incompetent organization, who did such an admirable historic tank job that the best player of the last 20 years can’t get us out of it, somehow gets a pass from the MSM.

    Hall was traded for the organization’s sins, not his own. And we’re all paying the price right now.

  53. Lloyd B. says:

    bendelson: It’s still early, but if the Oilers drafted Wahlstrom and Addison in the first two rounds, I would be very pleased.

    How’s that going to help us sell CDs?

  54. OmJo says:

    It seems the only time people are tired about talking about Hall is when it’s in the context of him being one of the best LW in the league or The Trade

    But if we’re talking about his alleged off-ice behaviour, those same people have all the time in the world to discuss Taylor Hall.

    What a funny bunch.

  55. leeinvan says:

    Probably no one wants to hear it but this year is the year to keep your draft picks, the team has lost a number of picks through brutal trading and the cost of hiring a fired coach and a fired GM (say what)
    This draft has more right sided d men than in the last 20 years, trading that away for a smaller, sometimes hurt one dimensional d man is a mistake that will hurt the team for years.
    Its bad enough see the numbers Barzal is putting up, this is what happens when you trade from desperation as I believe the Oilers did once they missed out on the Hamilton trade.
    Good teams stay the coarse and build the team from the draft, takes longer but the results are superior to teams looking to hit a home run.

  56. Woogie63 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    IMO

    I would not place McDavid on the PK it is an awful unit for a scoring star;

    1. Scoring Stars cheat for offence. Thank Gord McDavid has this in him
    2. PKers have to get in front of really fast moving pucks.
    3. PKers have to be trusted when my back is turned to you, that you are in the right spot.
    4. PKers have to win pucks, often against 2 opponents.
    5. PKers have to take a hit to get the puck out of the zone.

    The less McDavid is involved in points 2-5 the better.

  57. Pescador says:

    jtblack:
    NHL DRAFT:
    Oilers should consider Calen Addison in the 2nd round if hes there.
    Small, skiled RHD.Major Offensive force from the back end.

    Similiar to Kale Clague, who the Kings grabbed in the 2nd round a couple years ago.

    That would be a very astute pick IMO, follow in the footsteps of Nashville draft D, D, & more D.
    Oilers look likely to draft anywhere between 7-10. RHD is the play:
    Evan Bouchard- 6’3 193lbs leads All OHL d in points. Excellent skating + hockey IQ.
    Noah Dobson- 6’3 179lbs Excellent skating PP QB. QMJHL 47pts-46gp.
    Bode Wilde- 6’2 195lbs Super speed skater. Con: American college bound.
    Can’t see all 3 of these players picked before the Oilers step to the podium,
    Paul Coffey you’re up

  58. OmJo says:

    dustrock:
    The point isn’t that McDavid can improve or Draisaitl can improve or whoever.That advice along the line of “please don’t eat the yellow snow”.

    And I’ve got a lot of time for someone like Ferraro, who should be in management.

    The point is that Staples can’t help himself, he immediately has to attack former Oilers like Hall, Nuge (ha ha ha), Eberle and Hemsky.

    The knives have been out for those guys for years.Seemed like the media hated Hemsky sometimes.Eberle isn’t gritty.Hall isn’t great in the room, blah blah blah.

    Yes, the star players are the problem.Sure.

    Meanwhile this embarrassingly incompetent organization, who did such an admirable historic tank job that the best player of the last 20 years can’t get us out of it, somehow gets a pass from the MSM.

    Hall was traded for the organization’s sins, not his own.And we’re all paying the price right now.

    A-freakin-men

    Writers don’t have the balls to call out management. So they go after players who were thrown to the wolves, did all they could to overcome management’s incompetence, and then were traded off for not being good enough.

    Bullshit.

    You know who should have their summer work ethic questioned? Nope, not Hall. Peter Chiarelli. The guy who’s biggest FA acquisition was Columbus Blue Jackets waiver claim Jussi Jokinen on July 1st, and spent rest of the summer terrified of a possible offer sheet to Draisaitl while getting taken to task by his agent.

  59. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: McDavid goes to Roberts’ Biosteel Camp.Media says he is working on improving his game.

    Hall went to that same Biosteel Camp with McDavid the summer before McDavid’s rookie year.Media says Hall has never worked on improving his game.

    It’s what Hall said. I trust him completely.

  60. AsiaOil says:

    Pescador: That would be a very astute pick IMO, follow in the footsteps of Nashville draft D, D, & more D.
    Oilers look likely to draft anywhere between 7-10. RHD is the play:
    Evan Bouchard- 6’3 193lbs leads All OHL d in points. Excellent skating + hockey IQ.
    Noah Dobson- 6’3 179lbs Excellent skating PP QB. QMJHL 47pts-46gp.
    Bode Wilde- 6’2 195lbs Super speed skater. Con: American college bound.
    Can’t see all 3 of these players picked before the Oilers step to the podium,
    Paul Coffey you’re up

    Looks like a good year to add a quality RHD. As always, got to be the right guy, no sure bets even in the top 10.

    I wanted Kostin or Vesaleinen last year, became satisfied with Yamamoto’s potential through camp, but damn an 18 year old forward putting up almost a ppg in the SMliga would be nice right now.

  61. ArmchairGM says:

    jtblack:
    Underage Bantam; Matthew Savioe just lead the John Reid Memorial Tournywith 18 pts in 6 games

    I am sure a lot know his name, but for those that don’t, take note.

    Exceptional status to WHL? heard it has been discussed

    Yeah, but does he shoot right?

  62. Jaxon says:

    OriginalPouzar: Trading Klefbom for a player still in his ELC because we are in cap hell and we need to save money WHILE keeping Russell would be foolish.I think that is what you mean.

    Yes, we are on the same page here.

    I just don’t imagine we would get full value for Klef and that contract if he traded him this spring.

    Durag,

    frjohnk,

    This is why I think Russell gets bought out. Klefbom turned 24 last summer. He had a great season last year and there is still room for improvement. Remember, guys like Davidson didn’t even crack the roster until 24 or 25. Russell buyout saves $3.4M in cap next season. It will be a tough pill to swallow the season after that, but the cap will have gone up enough to make it palatable. I just wish they didn’t buyout Pouliot for no reason (plus he would have been helpful on the PK this year). Who is in charge of cap decisions over there? I want to scream every time I see Russell circle back with the puck. That’s not a calming presence in my books, that’s a missed opportunity to break out quickly.

  63. thehop says:

    Jaxon,

    Buying out Russell would be a mistake.

    Trading the player and eating a partial payment is always a better idea I think. He would still have value around the league and suspect finding a trade partner, with salary retained, wouldn’t be too difficult.

    Who wouldn’t the best shot blocker in the league on their blue line….. Plus he’s a cowboy!

  64. Lowetide says:

    Pescador: That would be a very astute pick IMO, follow in the footsteps of Nashville draft D, D, & more D.
    Oilers look likely to draft anywhere between 7-10. RHD is the play:
    Evan Bouchard- 6’3 193lbs leads All OHL d in points. Excellent skating + hockey IQ.
    Noah Dobson- 6’3 179lbs Excellent skating PP QB. QMJHL 47pts-46gp.
    Bode Wilde- 6’2 195lbs Super speed skater. Con: American college bound.
    Can’t see all 3 of these players picked before the Oilers step to the podium,
    Paul Coffey you’re up

    I have Addison No. 23 on my list

    https://lowetide.ca/2018/01/15/the-31-best-players-in-the-2018-draft/

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    thehop:
    Jaxon,

    Buying out Russell would be a mistake.

    Trading the player and eating a partial payment is always a better idea I think. He would still have value around the league and suspect finding a trade partner, with salary retained, wouldn’t be too difficult.

    Who wouldn’t the best shot blocker in the league on their blue line….. Plus he’s a cowboy!

    Except Russell would have to agree to the trade (at least if its to be done this off-season).

  66. Bill says:

    Running out of things to blame Chiarelli & management for, now it’s time to tar & feather the media! At least the butchering of Coffey has mellowed, is JP’s tutor/teacher (or supposed lack of, depending who is on the pulpit) on slow boil?
    Season has one foot in the grave, wax poetic about a player who is now a NJD! He and he alone could have saved the unfortunate quagmire the Oilers have found themselves in.
    I understand that darn near everyone is choked about the two or three (depending on who you ask) steps back the Oil, but is the non stop bickering and full salvo pot shots at everyone and the horses they rode in on worth it?
    Be it Twitter, here or any number of blogs concerning the team, the atmosphere is a weird vibe. In all my years of being a fan and reading the great posts and subsequent opinions of fellow fans, I have never seen this type of anger or at times, ridiculous POVs.
    There is stating ones perspectives an then there’s verbal diarrhoea.
    Life is short and far from perfect at the best of times, I’m a simple fella and truly happy I have a team with McDavid to follow. I’m not losing sleep nor sanity over wins, losses or playoffs. Just content to watch and support.
    After I probably get lambasted for this, I’ll keep on reading LT’s thoughtful and excellent pieces of work but start skipping the comments for awhile. Which sucks! All in all there are some pretty cool folks that post excellent opinions but it’s the “piss in your eye when you don’t agree with me” crowd that’s taking the enjoyment out it.

    Cheers all, things will get better! It’s just an odd year. Go OILERS!

  67. Professor Q says:

    jtblack:
    Underage Bantam; Matthew Savioe just lead the John Reid Memorial Tournywith 18 pts in 6 games 😲

    I am sure a lot know his name, but for those that don’t, take note.

    Exceptional status to WHL? heard it has been discussed

    I think so, indeed. He’d have to apply by March 2019 to be declared Exceptional for the 2019 WHL Draft, right, as he’d turn 15 in January 2019 and thus that’d be his 14-yo season?

    If I remember correctly the WHL drafts a year earlier than the OHL and QJMHL.

    Although I’m sure there are other intricacies at play.

    Could he enter the other CHL leagues’ drafts? Although I guess that’d mean waiting another year…

  68. jtblack says:

    Lowetide: I have Addison No. 23 on my list

    https://lowetide.ca/2018/01/15/the-31-best-players-in-the-2018-draft/

    Yah, I just noticedbhe wasnt on CSS 1ST round. If he slips to #35 – #40 the Oil shoud be ready ….

  69. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide,

    I noticed that you have this for Bouchard:

    RD Evan Bouchard, London Knights (OHL). Two-way player, big numbers, his first-step quickness is average and he’s one of the oldest players in the draft.

    I understand dinging him for his age. Is that why you have him this low?

    Out of curiosity I checked out his IPP in terms of “how many team goals does he get points on”

    He’s an unreal 37%.

    In order to account for the late birthday I looked at guys with high IPP in their draft year like Ellis and Dumba, and this is what I found.

    Ellis
    Draft year IPP 34%
    Draft +1 IPP 26%

    Dumba
    Draft year IPP 30%
    Draft +1 IPP 28%

    Bouchard
    Draft year (which might be draft +1 for comparison reasons) 37%

    That’s a big number, even accounting for his draft age.

    I know nothing about the player (other than he’s RHD and scores)

    What else caused you to rank him where you did?

  70. jtblack says:

    Professor Q: I think so, indeed. He’d have to apply by March 2019 to be declared Exceptional for the 2019 WHL Draft, right, as he’d turn 15 in January 2019 and thus that’d be his 14-yo season?

    If I remember correctly the WHL drafts a year earlier than the OHL and QJMHL.

    Although I’m sure there are other intricacies at play.

    Could he enter the other CHL leagues’ drafts? Although I guess that’d mean waiting another year…

    </blockquote

    Not sure how the deadlines work. The WHL has not granted Exceptional Statis to anyone so far,; so not even sure if they would do it. But by all Accounts he is the Goods. Guess it wil depend on how he develops over the next 18 Months …… and beyond.

  71. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Lowetide,

    I noticed that you have this for Bouchard:

    RD Evan Bouchard, London Knights (OHL). Two-way player, big numbers, his first-step quickness is average and he’s one of the oldest players in the draft.

    I understand dinging him for his age.Is that why you have him this low?

    He is older, he doesn’t have the foot speed of others and he is very likely playing far more minutes than the rest by some margin. The London Knights skew you blue.

  72. bendelson says:

    Woodguy v2.0: What if Evan Bouchard is there when they pick?

    To answer your question from earlier in the day… I take Wahlstrom. I see three snipers at the top of the draft and like them all (right or wrong, I haven’t included Tkachuk in this grouping).
    As of today, the only D I have ahead of Wahlstrom would be Dahlin and Boquist… it is early however – still much to learn!

  73. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide,

    bendelson,

    Thank you gents

  74. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide: He is older, he doesn’t have the foot speed of others and he is very likely playing far more minutes than the rest by some margin. The London Knights skew you blue.

    They also regularly produce very good NHL Blue Linemen, however.

  75. digger50 says:

    OmJo: A-freakin-men

    Writers don’t have the balls to call out management. So they go after players who were thrown to the wolves, did all they could to overcome management’s incompetence, and then were traded off for not being good enough.

    Bullshit.

    You know who should have their summer work ethic questioned? Nope, not Hall. Peter Chiarelli. The guy who’s biggest FA acquisition was Columbus Blue Jackets waiver claim Jussi Jokinen on July 1st, and spent rest of the summer terrified of a possible offer sheet to Draisaitl while getting taken to task by his agent.

    Ha ha

    So true, so true.

    Peter had a pretty laid back summer when we wanted to get better. No problem he says, let’s just see how things play out. Well now we have seen how they played out. Not good.
    And what was the back up plan? Yeah, there wasn’t one.

    So true but not funny at all.

  76. thehop says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Sure.. I still think it’s a more attractive option. To me, NTC/NMC just means the GM has to work harder to make something happen.

  77. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Lowetide: He is older, he doesn’t have the foot speed of others and he is very likely playing far more minutes than the rest by some margin. The London Knights skew you blue.

    Interesting. The bit of reading I did after he was mentioned here talked about his skating allowing him to recover defensively. If he’s average too bad for him. Skating is becoming more important to D than ever with the game getting so fast and sticking, holding, interference and dirty hits being called ATM.

    Speed and reffing has lead to forwards getting quicker and thus smaller, that leads to D getting smaller and quicker which then leads to the forwards getting bigger again (that can still move) as the smaller D will have trouble handling them in close.

    If so it should bode well for Leon JP and Khaira down the road.

  78. jtblack says:

    McDavid is here for 8 more years so let’s hope Peter gets more draft picks at the deadline and then takes all the pics and starts to build some prospects.

    I know the Narrative is win Now; but there is also another narrative out there that says you need cheap players on ELC contracts that are contributing if you want to push for the cup.

    If Peter can DRAFT a 1st and 2 – 2nds; along with other it will Greatly help this Franchise out over the next 5 years.

    He already got burned once going for the Quick fix (a la Reinhart fail).

    There is no guarantee we hit with our draft picks but we know for certain that they all provide tremendous potential. and IF 1 or 2 do hit, it changes the Oilers course, for the Better.

  79. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack:
    McDavid is here for 8 more years so let’s hope Peter gets more draft picks at the deadline and then takes all the pics and starts to build some prospects.

    I know the Narrative is win Now; but there is also another narrative out there that says you need cheap players on ELC contracts that are contributing if you want to push for the cup.

    If Peter can DRAFT a 1st and 2 – 2nds;along with other it will Greatly help this Franchise out over the next 5 years.

    He already got burned once going for the Quick fix (a la Reinhart fail).

    There is no guarantee we hit with our draft picks but we know for certain that they all provide tremendous potential.and IF 1 or 2 do hit, it changes the Oilers course, for the Better.

    If PC can find a bigger equitable deal it can help short and long term. Torts has been praising Jones lately but that may be faint praise as the Madman of the Pines apparently felt the ‘work ethic’ wasn’t there. Hmmm.

    If there is a rift perhaps an opportunity for both teams. They are deep at D and need a centre with experience that can produce regularly. Dubs would be better off with shelter and the other Dubs doesn’t have it anyway it seems. Wennberg who knows but he’s young.

    So, I’ll suggest this and duck.

    To the Jackets
    Nuge Benning 1st rounder

    To the Oilers
    Jones Jenner 2nd rounded.

    *rounder

  80. flyfish1168 says:

    Does anyone have an update on Cameron Hebig? I can find where he is playing this year

  81. OriginalPouzar says:

    Klef says his shoulder feels the best it has since September and that it was tough knowing it wasn’t 100%.

    As per Willis’ article today, his numbers have been much better in the last 21 games than they were in the first 21 games.

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Pagnotta, Oil have two scouts at the COL/TOR game tonight.

    There are about a dozen teams with scouts at that game.

  83. Scungilli Slushy says:

    A thought, why don’t the Oilers have a translator at practice for JP? He can use buds off ice so not disruptive.

    The smiling young gent clearly has trouble hearing English. I can’t imagine how hard it has been for him. Kudos to him for keeping that grin.

  84. Bos8 says:

    flyfish1168,

    Hebig was traded to the Regina Pats. He and Steel had a goal and an assist each in a 4-3 OT loss to the Blades on Saturday.

  85. Pescador says:

    Lowetide: He is older, he doesn’t have the foot speed of others and he is very likely playing far more minutes than the rest by some margin. The London Knights skew you blue.

    That is very interesting, I know you have been bemoaning the fact that there is no tracking of actual TOI for junior leagues. P/60 would be extremely valuable data.
    All of the reports that I have read on Bouchard say “great skating”
    http://www.dobberprospects.com/2018-nhl-draft-rankings-top-75-january-2018-edition/
    Edit: what Scung said

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    thehop:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Sure.. I still think it’s a more attractive option. To me, NTC/NMC just means the GM has to work harder to make something happen.

    He’s also at the absolute control of the player – if he refuses to waive, nothing the GM can do, no matter how hard he works.

    I agree with the premise, of course, a trade with salary retention is clearly the better option – it doesn’t double the length of the contract and an asset, however middling, would/should be coming.

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish1168:
    Does anyone have an update on Cameron Hebig? I can find where he is playing this year

    He got traded to Regina just before the deadline.

    Guaranteed to play the Memorial Cup.

    Getting points nightly (kind of expected as an over-ager though).

  88. jtblack says:

    Scungilli Slushy: If PC can find a bigger equitable deal it can help short and long term. Torts has been praising Jones lately but that may be faint praise as the Madman of the Pines apparently felt the ‘work ethic’ wasn’t there. Hmmm.

    If there is a rift perhaps an opportunity for both teams. They are deep at D and need a centre with experience that can produce regularly. Dubs would be better off with shelter andthe other Dubs doesn’t have it anyway it seems. Wennberg who knows but he’s young.

    So, I’ll suggest this and duck.

    To the Jackets
    Nuge Benning 1st rounder

    To the Oilers
    Jones Jenner 2nd rounded.

    *rounder

    You are correct; IF the GM can make the team better now and not sacrifice the Long term.

    I dont think CBJ would do that deal. RNH was offered up for Jones in Nash and wasn’t near enough.

    while we r spitballin’ ; how about

    TO EDM: KARLSSON, HOFFMAN, Z SMITH, 3rd Rounder
    TO OTT: KLEFBOM, MAROON, CAGGUILA, 1ST

    Instant balance for Oilers. OTT cuts some salary ??????

  89. Pescador says:

    bendelson: To answer your question from earlier in the day…I take Wahlstrom.I see three snipers at the top of the draft and like them all (right or wrong, I haven’t included Tkachuk in this grouping).
    As of today, the only D I have ahead of Wahlstrom would be Dahlin and Boquist…it is early however – still much to learn!

    I appreciate anytime someone shares who they would pick, I have shouted my pick enough times over the past few weeks.
    Reason: potential for a 1st pairing offensive minded D. Also, by the time said player finally arrives It looks like we will finally be able to provide actual NHL cover (Nurse, K-bomb)
    I posted this because I’m interested in your perspective or reasoning, and everyone’s for that matter.
    If there is a player you would pick, I would love to know why.
    Much ablijed

  90. Jaxon says:

    thehop:
    Jaxon,

    Buying out Russell would be a mistake.

    Trading the player and eating a partial payment is always a better idea I think. He would still have value around the league and suspect finding a trade partner, with salary retained, wouldn’t be too difficult.

    Who wouldn’t the best shot blocker in the league on their blue line….. Plus he’s a cowboy!

    Yes, I agree with you, and trading him would be great, but he has a full “No Move Clause” until July 1st, 2019

    “CLAUSE DETAILS: 2019-20: Player submits a 10 team trade list. / 2020-21: Player submits a 15 team trade list.”

    The problem is that Russell can’t be traded or buried until then but the team will face a real cap crunch next season that will see Maroon gone, and possibly Nugent-Hopkins or Nurse too. I’d rather keep Nuge and Nurse than Russell. If buying out Russell saves $3.4M next season and allows them to keep Nuge and sign Nurse long term for around $4.167M x 6, 7 or 8, then I’d say goodbye to Russell.

  91. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t think that dumping the RFAs like Benning and Caggulia creates any cap room for us – they are currently roster players and would need to be replaced on the roster. I don’t imagine either will cost any more than $2M so, unless we are able to replace them with a player on their ELC, we aren’t really saving much on the cap.

    I’m also not willing to give up on Benning, especially since we are likely looking at a $1.5M X2 type of contract. Benning played very well last year, he has regressed this year but its his second year pro – there is a player there and he could be back next year in fine form.

    Benning was not good in the second half last year or the playoffs. I’m not saying just dump him though.

  92. jtblack says:

    Pescador: I appreciate anytime someone shares who they would pick, I have shouted my pick enough times over the past few weeks.
    Reason: potential for a 1st pairing offensive minded D. Also, by the time said player finally arrives It looks like we will finally be able to provide actual NHL cover (Nurse, K-bomb)
    I posted this because I’m interested in your perspective or reasoning, and everyone’s for that matter.
    If there is a player you would pick, I would love to know why.
    Much ablijed

    If we pick in the Top 10 we will get a Great Player, whoemever.
    So I will offer up my reason to pick CALEN ADDISON in the 2nd ROUND.

    LT likes Offense. So do I. You can’t teach it.
    – Calen Addison led the Manitoba AAA Bantam League in scoring; as a DEFENSEMAN!
    – Addison Leads all draft Eligible WHL Defenseman in scoring. 47 Pts in 46 Games.
    – Addison can skate like the wind. He is Effortless.
    – He is RHD
    – He has been part of the Program of Excellence all along (U17, Hnlinka)
    – LT has him ranked 23rd.
    I think he will slide because there is an unusual amount of skilled RHD in the top of this draft.

    He could be KRIS LETANG 2.0. And he might be Nick Stadjuhar 2.0. We wait

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jaxon: Yes, I agree with you, and trading him would be great, but he has a full “No Move Clause” until July 1st, 2019

    “CLAUSE DETAILS: 2019-20: Player submits a 10 team trade list. / 2020-21: Player submits a 15 team trade list.”

    The problem is that Russell can’t be traded or buried until then but the team will face a real cap crunch next season that will see Maroon gone, and possibly Nugent-Hopkins or Nurse too. I’d rather keep Nuge and Nurse than Russell. If buying out Russell saves $3.4M next season and allows them to keep Nuge and sign Nurse long term for around $4.167M x 6, 7 or 8, then I’d say goodbye to Russell.

    Nurse, as in Darnell Nurse?

    I think he is one of the last players that would be traded off this team short of a Hedman, Parayko, extended Doughty (can’t even be done now) type of trade.

  94. jtblack says:

    Jaxon: Yes, I agree with you, and trading him would be great, but he has a full “No Move Clause” until July 1st, 2019

    “CLAUSE DETAILS: 2019-20: Player submits a 10 team trade list. / 2020-21: Player submits a 15 team trade list.”

    The problem is that Russell can’t be traded or buried until then but the team will face a real cap crunch next season that will see Maroon gone, and possibly Nugent-Hopkins or Nurse too. I’d rather keep Nuge and Nurse than Russell. If buying out Russell saves $3.4M next season and allows them to keep Nuge and sign Nurse long term for around $4.167M x 6, 7 or 8, then I’d say goodbye to Russell.

    This is the Exact reason 90% of Oilers Nation cringed when Russell signed for 4 years. PC backed himself into (another) corner 🙂

  95. OmJo says:

    Idk why but Yakupov scoring makes me happy.

  96. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bill:
    Running out of things to blame Chiarelli & management for, now it’s time to tar & feather the media! At least the butchering of Coffey has mellowed, is JP’s tutor/teacher (or supposed lack of, depending who is on the pulpit) on slow boil?
    Season has one foot in the grave, wax poetic about a player who is now a NJD! He and he alone could have saved the unfortunate quagmire the Oilers have found themselves in.
    I understand that darn near everyone is choked about the two or three (depending on who you ask) steps back the Oil, but is the non stop bickering and full salvo pot shots at everyone and the horses they rode in on worth it?
    Be it Twitter, here or any number of blogs concerning the team, the atmosphere is a weird vibe. In all my years of being a fan and reading the great posts and subsequent opinions of fellow fans, I have never seen this type of anger or at times, ridiculous POVs.
    There is stating ones perspectives an then there’s verbal diarrhoea.
    Life is short and far from perfect at the best of times, I’m a simple fella and truly happy I have a team with McDavid to follow. I’m not losing sleep nor sanity over wins, losses or playoffs. Just content to watch and support.
    After I probably get lambasted for this, I’ll keep on reading LT’s thoughtful and excellent pieces of work but start skipping the comments for awhile. Which sucks! All in all there are some pretty cool folks that post excellent opinions but it’s the “piss in your eye when you don’t agree with me” crowd that’s taking the enjoyment out it.

    Cheers all, things will get better! It’s just an odd year. Go OILERS!

    +1000. I’ll keep reading the comments though

  97. Pescador says:

    jtblack: If we pick in the Top 10 we will get a Great Player, whoemever.
    So I will offer up my reason to pick CALEN ADDISON in the 2nd ROUND.

    LT likes Offense. So do I.You can’t teach it.
    –Calen Addison led the Manitoba AAA Bantam League in scoring; as a DEFENSEMAN!
    – Addison Leads all draft Eligible WHL Defenseman in scoring.47 Pts in 46 Games.
    – Addison can skate like the wind. He is Effortless.
    – He is RHD
    – He has been part of the Program of Excellence all along (U17, Hnlinka)
    – LT has him ranked 23rd.
    I think he will slide because there is an unusual amount of skilled RHD in the top of this draft.

    He could be KRIS LETANG 2.0.And he might be Nick Stadjuhar 2.0. We wait

    That is awesome stuff I will be following this prospect now, care to take a stab at the Oilers first rounder?
    I would love to hear what posters have to say about team needs or draft strategy.

  98. Pescador says:

    OmJo:
    Idk why but Yakupov scoring makes me happy.

    Especially on those assholes

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Chad Johnson is playing in Calgary tonight so I assume Lehner starts tomorrow night in Edmonton.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Some great information being provided on draft eligible players – I appreciate the input and information from everyone.

    One thing I’m still not really on board with is factoring handedness with respect to drafting d-men.

    Yes, I know we still have a leftorium and need a RHD, however, my assumption is any d-man we draft (subject to Dahlin) will be at least a year, if not 2 or 3 years from playing NHL games – we very well might not need a RHD at that time, for all we know our need could be on the left side.

    I do realize that RHD are more in demand in the NHL than LHD so, if all else is equal, draft the rightie but I’m not sure it makes sense to stretch for a player based on the fact that he shoots right.

  101. OmJo says:

    Pescador: Especially on those assholes

    Yeah, F those Laughs.

    Avs won 10 in a row. If they can do it…

  102. Johnny Eyetest says:

    So are people mad about the Rishaug comments because they think they’re not true, or because the fact that group of players not putting in a Pavelski type work regime may have actually held them back?

    Hemsky’s work ethic was in question when he was drafted.

    Eberle, self admittedly, only started working on his one timer last off season.

    I don’t think anyone would mistake Schultz for Pavelski in terms of work ethic.

    And publicly NJ talked about how they spoke with Hall about his habits this off season.

    Face offs, take work. For the most part, it’s a practice thing, with skill, size, experience and technique being required. I expect McDavid to work at it, but maybe the guys who watch practice (Rishaug) aren’t seeing McD put in the extra half hour everyday.

  103. Pescador says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    For me the answer is simple in concept but impossible to accurately predict.
    Would you agree that both Oscar & Darnell are young Oilers that could be part of the core for the next 6-8 seasons? Both are LHD obviously.
    Larsson & Benning are best slotted 2nd & 3rd pairing respectively IMO.
    The RHD I am hoping the Oilers draft should have top pairing ‘Potential’ being the key word here.
    If said player should ever develop into just that, it has been posted here many times & I subscribe to it;
    The draft is the only way you acquire such a player.
    The core of this team is still young, we can wait.
    And, as I said earlier, when & if this prospect does arrive the Oilers will be able to provide actual NHL veteran cover.

  104. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Some great information being provided on draft eligible players – I appreciate the input and information from everyone.

    One thing I’m still not really on board with is factoring handedness with respect to drafting d-men.

    Yes, I know we still have a leftorium and need a RHD, however, my assumption is any d-man we draft (subject to Dahlin) will be at least a year, if not 2 or 3 years from playing NHL games – we very well might not need a RHD at that time, for all we know our need could be on the left side.

    I do realize that RHD are more in demand in the NHL than LHD so, if all else is equal, draft the rightie but I’m not sure it makes sense to stretch for a player based on the fact that he shoots right.

    OP. You are correct. it’s a bit of a chess game. The Oilers might be fine at RHD in 3 years. BUT I would suggest RHD seems much harder to fill on average, for every team. Seems to be a premium for Righties over Lefties … So if you are looking at similiar players why not take the RHD?

    We have Bear and Mantha but no gurantee either arrives …

    We have tons of depth at LHD … so I would still draft RHD .. if we have too many in 3 years, then you have a trade chip … we certainly know we won’t need more LHD .. we have a lot of them locked up, once we sign Nurse …

    cheers all

  105. jtblack says:

    Pescador: That is awesome stuff I will be following this prospect now, care to take a stab at the Oilers first rounder?
    I would love to hear what posters have to say about team needs or draft strategy.

    I will leave that for some of the others. Some have already posted some good info on the potential first rounder … Until the ping pongs drop, we won’t really know where we are picking. And there will be a huge difference on my opinion of who to take at #2 vs. #6 vs. #12 ….

    Unless we jump into the Top 2, I don’t see our drafted player helping us in the fall … So this is most likely help for 2019 / 2020 .. etc …

  106. jtblack says:

    IMO: Ottawa is trending for the Tank … they will have a very real possibility of drafting Dahlin ..

    Which would mean

    Dahlin / Karrlsson on the same team … Would be crazy ..

  107. Cassandra says:

    who: You could say the same thing about posters on here. It’s all subjective. Just because he has a different opinion than yours doesn’t make him a moron.

    And therein lies the crux of the disagreement.

    Everything is not subjective. It isn’t all opinion. Not all reasons are equal.

  108. Pescador says:

    who: You could say the same thing about posters on here. It’s all subjective. Just because he has a different opinion than yours doesn’t make him a moron.

    Sounds like something a moron would say.
    Jk
    😁

  109. slopitch says:

    jtblack:
    IMO: Ottawa is trending for the Tank … they will have a very real possibility of drafting Dahlin ..

    Which would mean

    Dahlin / Karrlsson on the same team … Would be crazy ..

    That would just give them an excuse to trade Karlsson. Too many good dmen, y’know?!? 😉

  110. Pescador says:

    jtblack,

    No worries JT, hope you don’t mind my yammering. I love the hypothetical

  111. Scungilli Slushy says:

    FYI there is no tanking anymore, courtesy of your Edmonton Oilers!!!!!

  112. jtblack says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    FYI there is no tanking anymore, courtesy of your Edmonton Oilers!!!!!

    Have you seen the Odds? it is messed up. IF you finish 1,2 or 3rd last; you have better odds of dropping than picking #1 …

  113. digger50 says:

    Last year LT had Eeli Tolvanen ranked as high as 10th. He was there at 22 when the Oilers picked. (Yammer looks to be a fine player)

    This year Eeli is supposed to be the best 18 year old in the KHL in the last ten years.

    Hindsight will always be 20/20. Oilers scouting has been getting better, or lucky. There is a lot of pressure to get an excellent player from the upcoming draft, I hope they get it right.

  114. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack: OP.You are correct. it’s a bit of a chess game. The Oilers might be fine at RHD in 3 years.BUT I would suggest RHD seems much harder to fill on average, for every team.Seems to be a premium for Righties over Lefties … So if you are looking at similiar players why not take the RHD?

    We have Bear and Mantha but no gurantee either arrives …

    We have tons of depth at LHD … so I would still draft RHD.. if we have too many in 3 years, then you have a trade chip … we certainly know we won’t need more LHD .. we have a lot of them locked up, once we sign Nurse …

    cheers all

    The only positions that seem to have consistent value are RC and RD. Because right shot players are 10% of all players, scarcity.

    It also means that by the law of averages there are far fewer quality right shot players because there are far fewer.

    For forwards unless there is s clear BPA draft RC, for defense RD. Always draft skill and speed. Don’t draft outliers unless clear BPA, you unnecessarily drop your odds, it is a crap shoot until Vor figures it all out. Outlier meaning too slow, too small, something iffy, too low a league, whatever.

    Like Jankowski, playing pretty well, he made it! Other than the whole can’t get points at a level you’d hope for from a top 2/3 first rounder at 23YO.

    Remember Lucic hunting for years?

    Skilled normally sized RC and RD that can skate have the most value for non established players, and can be traded for value. Of course elite players can always be traded for value by a competent GM.

    Trading for value in this climate and capped league has become difficult at best for most. If you can find an elite goalie they are pretty valuable too. Doesn’t seem that easy to do.

  115. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Professor Q: And Stamkos won the Maurice Richard just after he turned 20 (basically 19).

    Like Crosby and Stamkos, McDavid will continue to improve on already achieved greatness and skill.

    Surely a smart man such as yourself understood that that was the point of my post?

    Here’s my issue with people starting to pick apart McDavid’s game: Its the same thing we saw with Hemsky and then again with Hall.

    The team isn’t doing good so fans and writers talk about how “he needs to be better” or the more seemingly benign “become a more complete player”

    This talk happens with this background:

    17/18
    McDavid On 57.1 GF%
    McDavid Off 43.2 GF%

    16/17
    McDavid On 62.2% GF
    McDavid Off 49.0% GF

    Last 4 years of Hall as an Oiler:
    Hall On 51.0% GF
    Hall Off 39.3% GF

    Whether or not McDavid gets 57% or 62% doesn’t make or break the team.

    Whether Hall got 50% or 54% doesn’t make or break their team.

    They did or are doing the toughest thing in the NHL, and that is out-scoring the other team’s best.

    The rest of the team, the roster construction, the drafting, the developing, these are all the issues that make and break the team.

    The little stories about working on faceoffs or whatever people want him to do will grow and get legs unless the team gets better regardless of how well he’s doing.

    If the team isn’t doing well it will start coming back that “McDavid isn’t doing enough”, even if he’s killing it and is the best or close in the NHL.

    We’ve lived through it and this is how it starts and I will do scream in the wilderness like John The Baptist on Fermented Locusts Piss that this is wrong because this way lay madness, McDavid leaving and a deeper darker desert than the last 11 years.

    Also,

    And Stamkos won the Maurice Richard just after he turned 20 (basically 19).

    Like Crosby and Stamkos, McDavid will continue to improve on already achieved greatness and skill.

    That is what I meant by my post.

    There, doesn’t that read better?

    All of the content and 100% less dink.

    My answer to you was correct and not dinkish at all.

    Your response was out of line.

  116. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack: Have you seen the Odds? it is messed up.IF you finish 1,2 or 3rd last; you have better odds of dropping than picking #1 …

    Exactly, another Oilers rule. The new tanking is getting close to the bottom and saying a bunch of somethings to whoever.

  117. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Exactly, another Oilers rule. The new tanking is getting close to the bottom and saying a bunch of somethings to whoever.

    Which means the Oilers can win win win!!!!

  118. VOR says:

    When I looked the CSS list today I couldn’t help thinking that the Oilers could get a second second round pick, somewhere in the fifties. All they have to do is sign Sean Durzi a right handed D. A great offensive player Durzi was passed over in last year’s draft, but is ranked higher this year, somewhere in the late second round. He has put up impressive numbers in the O this year.

    Why was he passed over? He is slow. Durzi is the oddest of things, an elite skater with no top gear. At least when going forward. He actually skates backwards like an elite skater, laterally he is amazing. He is incredibly strong on his skates. But he will never be able to skate the puck out of trouble or lead the rush. His speciality is laser passes.

    Nobody seems exactly what to make of Durzi. But he is there for the taking, not unlike Ryan Mantha.

  119. jtblack says:

    VOR:
    When I looked the CSS list today I couldn’t help thinking that the Oilers could get a second second round pick, somewhere in the fifties. All they have to do is sign Sean Durzi a right handed D. A great offensive player Durzi was passed over in last year’s draft, but is ranked higher this year, somewhere in the late second round. He has put up impressive numbers in the O this year.

    Why was he passed over? He is slow. Durzi is the oddest of things, an elite skater with no top gear. At least when going forward. He actually skates backwards like an elite skater, laterally he is amazing. He is incredibly strong on his skates. But he will never be able to skate the puck out of trouble or lead the rush. His speciality is laser passes.

    Nobody seems exactly what to make of Durzi. But he is there for the taking, not unlike Ryan Mantha.

    So are you laying your $$ on Durzi? The tough part of being a real GM is you only get 2 picks in the Top 50. Is this your guy? or do you have a few and then let hindsight dictate?

    But do appreciate the info. Had no idea about this player.

  120. VOR says:

    Another player for Oilers fans to keep an eye on is Tyler Vesel’s line mate David Pope. Apparently Detroit isn’t sure they can sign him. Pope has an NHL plus shot and he shoots a lot.

    He is having, in his senior year, a break out campaign. Pope probably realizes he is now in the driver’s seat in terms of where he signs. With that shot and his new found success their would be a bidding war if he does choose free agency.

    The front runner would be Edmonton. Pope is a local boy coached by the former coach of NAIT. He’d be buried in Detroit’s farm team. Whereas he’d be at the top of Oilers forward prospects along with Kailer Yamamoto.

  121. VOR says:

    jtblack: So are you laying your $$ on Durzi? The tough part of being a real GM is you only get 2 picks in the Top 50. Is this your guy? or do you have a few and then let hindsight dictate?

    But do appreciate the info. Had no idea about this player.

    I am saying I’d sign him now, like Cameron Hebig or Ryan Mantha. At the draft I would take Addison in the second round if he is still there.

  122. Lloyd B. says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    WG You are old enough to remember the Gretzky years.

    The kid led the league in scoring for two years ( Got jobbed on the Dionne scoring race year one)

    The MSM said .. He can’t score on breakaways and doesn’t shoot enough.

    No internet or any of this blogging stuff. Certainly none of the social media shit…..none of it !!!

    Fancy stats were a figment of Corsis mind.

    So Gretzky said ” Screw you” scores 50 goals in 39 games and 92 on the year.

    Nobody ever said that kid could not shoot ever again !!

    Let’s not write McDavid off just yet.

  123. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Another layer to this is how much easier it is to upgrade the non-97 minutes.

    I posted a rough 5v5 GF-GA summary of the Oilers units last night.

    The results are that 97’s work is outdone entirely and then some by the 4th unit. +10 to -12.

    That’s a unit that plays less than half the time 97 does at 5v5 per night, and that’s all they need to undo having the reigning Hart Trophy winner while they play against the other team’s bottom units.

    They’ve won the goal battle 5v5 in 6 games, tied 24, and lost 15. While tasked with playing 5-10 minutes a night against bottom units. (including an outstanding game vs WPG where they went 0-2 in 6:09 and 0-10 in shots against a Matt Hendricks unit)

    These are players that get statues built of them by the MSM if the team is winning.

    I can’t find this poor of a bottom unit on any playoff team. Or any team actually, other than us, BUF, ARI, CAR.

  124. OmJo says:

    Lloyd B.,

    Sometimes I like to just look at Gretzky’s stats on HockeyDB and just imagine what it must have been like to see him play live.

    Truly awe inspiring. Almost 5 +200pt seasons in a row. People will say “it was the era” but Mario Lemieux is the only other player in 100 years of NHL hockey to get close to 200pts. And he did it just once. 2 players. It wasn’t just the era, they were unbelievably gifted athletes. Mind blowing.

  125. Lloyd B. says:

    Wilde,

    Great stuff. However. for years we were complaining about the top two lines being the problem.

    If, as you are suggesting, the 4th line is now the problem, that has got to be an easier problem to solve?

    No? Cause fixing 1C with McDavid wasn’t a lot of fun.

  126. Extend Russell says:

    Buying out Russell ??

    He’s a decent defenseman with some hesitation in his game .

    Hockey is a momentum based game. Proper stick work and shot blocking is an important skill in this league, I promise you. Also. By box cars and eye he was no worse than our 2 nd best defenseman in last years playoffs. I have a theory that he plays hurt to much and the coach needs to recognize this and sit him when that’s the case. When he’s healthy though? He’s crazy good in his own end ..

    Just my opinion though
    I’d resign him till he’s 38 lol
    Love that lil bastard

  127. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Wilde:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Another layer to this is how much easier it is to upgrade the non-97 minutes.

    I posted a rough 5v5 GF-GA summary of the Oilers units last night.

    The results are that 97’s work is outdone entirely and then some by the 4th unit. +10 to -12.

    That’s a unit that plays less than half the time 97 does at 5v5 per night, and that’s all they need to undo having the reigning Hart Trophy winner while they play against the other team’s bottom units.

    They’ve won the goal battle 5v5 in 6 games, tied 24, and lost 15. While tasked with playing 5-10 minutes a night against bottom units. (including an outstanding game vs WPG where they went 0-2 in 6:09 and 0-10 in shots against a Matt Hendricks unit)

    These are players that get statues built of them by the MSM if the team is winning.

    I can’t find this poor of a bottom unit on any playoff team. Or any team actually, other than us, BUF, ARI, CAR.

    Your point was well-made last night as it is now. The stars can’t play 60 minutes/game, they need a good supporting cast.

    Players like Pouliot and Pitlick would have been good to have on the roster this year (if the coach had used his centers correctly from the start of the season)….aaand the GM would’ve side-stepped the Jokinen fiasco (what the hell are the pro-scouts looking at, or is this all on Chia?).

  128. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Extend Russell,

    I think everyone loves Russell’s heart and effort, he leaves everything out on the ice. But he is a 3rd pair Dman. He has trouble moving the puck and that is a killer, plus he’s being paid around $2million too much per year and he is signed for 2 yrs too long. It is a terrible contract and it handcuffs the team for years..

    I have thought that as well, he is so beat up that he should be platooning with Davy and sitting out the 2nd game on B2B’s and every third game. But that kind of makes the overpay even worse…..

  129. Jaxon says:

    OriginalPouzar: Nurse, as in Darnell Nurse?

    I think he is one of the last players that would be traded off this team short of a Hedman, Parayko, extended Doughty (can’t even be done now) type of trade.

    I read your comment and I said, “What!? You’re crazy! I never mentioned trading Nurse!!”, but then I read my comment and I guess I did say that. Didn’t come out right. I conflated trading and needing to sign Nurse. He’s going to get paid this summer, and paid well. How well is the question. That will put the cap squeeze on the rest of the players and force a trade or buyout. But hell no, I would never consider trading Nurse.

  130. €√¥£€^$ says:

    VOR: I am saying I’d sign him now, like Cameron Hebig or Ryan Mantha. At the draft I would take Addison in the second round if he is still there.

    VOR,

    I love your mind! I was hoping to see a post or two from you tonight, you didn’t disappoint, thank you!

    I hadn’t heard of Durzi before either, but from what I thought I knew, a CHL player can’t be signed as a free agent prior to their 20th birthday, if it is before 31 December…so I don’t thonk it can be done.

    Given the quality of the draft, do you figure he will still be around in the third (we should have a few of them after the Maroon, Letestu, Strome, Klefbom, RNH, Russell sell off, right?😁😁😁).

    Let’s go for broke and sign the Pope!!! I like it, but that didn’t work out so well for us and Foo though.

  131. Lloyd B. says:

    OmJo:
    Lloyd B.,

    Sometimes I like to just look at Gretzky’s stats on HockeyDB and just imagine what it must have been like to see him play live.

    Truly awe inspiring. Almost 5 +200pt seasons in a row. People will say “it was the era” but Mario Lemieux is the only other player in 100 years of NHL hockey to get close to 200pts. And he did it just once. 2 players. It wasn’t just the era, they were unbelievably gifted athletes. Mind blowing.

    I had 2 season tix for three years. 86-87, 87-88, 88-89. Would go to the pub after work to see who wanted to go to the game. My treat.

    The answer invariably was “who is playing”? I’d say Gretzky Kurri Messier Anderson Fuhr Coffey Lowe etal. Incredibly the reply was “no who are they playing against”?

    I knew what I was watching and that there would never be another player like 99 on the Oilers ever again. And… that there certainly would never be another team like this ever again in the NHL. `

    And if there was … it certainly wouldn`t be in Edmonton. 1 in 30 chance.

    Two friends saw lots of games because they got it.

    Lots of really hot chicks didn`t see the games. I may have got that part wrong. 🙂

    Long before the salary cap era and certainly long before a fellow by the name of McDavid.

    Who would have thunk. Gretzky was insane to watch and so is McDavid.

    Dont let it pass you by.

    It goes quickly.

  132. Lowetide says:

    VOR: I am saying I’d sign him now, like Cameron Hebig or Ryan Mantha. At the draft I would take Addison in the second round if he is still there.

    Sign him BEFORE the draft? If he’s draft eligible he can’t be a free-agent eligible. They are different pools until after the draft.

  133. Wilde says:

    Lloyd B.:
    Wilde,

    Great stuff.However. for years we were complaining about the top two lines being the problem.

    If, as you are suggesting, the 4th line is now the problem, that has got to be an easier problem to solve?

    No?Cause fixing 1C with McDavid wasn’t a lot of fun.

    The fact that only 3 other teams have one as bad as ours is suggestive of how easy it is to fix this problem.

    They’re not as bad as their goal numbers. They have an atrocious PDO, but for reasons such as their little ability to generate dangerous chances, their penchant for giving them up via slow first step by 55 and cheating for offense by 44, it’s believable that they’re close to their mean.

    They’re not the only problem on the team, but 4C is much easier problem to fix than finding a scoring winger to buoy the 93 and 29 lines.

    For examples, ANA’s Wagner unit is close to even, and costs Kassian’s salary, combined.

    BOS’s unit is also about 2m combined.

    I just started going alphabetically on capfriendly by competitive teams.

    Most teams have a bunch of league min. contracts playing those minutes. If Edmonton would have signed a couple more 1-2M winger tryouts with their capspace, or played Slepyshev, they could have had Khaira down there and pressboxed 55 sometime during the first 21 games when he got scored on 9 times and registered 0 goals. The team was at -12 5v5 during that time.

    That’s most of the goal deficit, in the fewest minutes per night.

    It all comes back to poor preparation, and slowness to make decisions.

    Get whatever you can for Letestu, and open the auditions. Waivers, trades, callups, whatever.

    Also get Ho-Sang.

  134. Lowetide says:

    I deleted some posts from earlier today after receiving a complaint. In reviewing same, they were clearly over the line and shouldn’t have been allowed to stay up for many hours. To those who viewed them and were offended, my apologies.

  135. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Here’s my issue with people starting to pick apart McDavid’s game: Its the same thing we saw with Hemsky and then again with Hall.

    The team isn’t doing good so fans and writers talk about how “he needs to be better” or the more seemingly benign “become a more complete player”

    This talk happens with this background:

    17/18
    McDavid On 57.1 GF%
    McDavid Off 43.2GF%

    16/17
    McDavid On 62.2% GF
    McDavid Off 49.0% GF

    Last 4 years of Hall as an Oiler:
    Hall On 51.0% GF
    Hall Off 39.3% GF

    Whether or not McDavid gets 57% or 62% doesn’t make or break the team.

    Whether Hall got 50% or 54% doesn’t make or break their team.

    They did or are doing the toughest thing in the NHL, and that is out-scoring the other team’s best.

    The rest of the team, the roster construction, the drafting, the developing, these are all the issues that make and break the team.

    The little stories about working on faceoffs or whatever people want him to do will grow and get legs unless the team gets better regardless of how well he’s doing.

    If the team isn’t doing well it will start coming back that “McDavid isn’t doing enough”, even if he’s killing it and is the best or close in the NHL.

    We’ve lived through it and this is how it starts and I will do scream in the wilderness like John The Baptist on Fermented Locusts Piss that this is wrong because this way lay madness, McDavid leaving and a deeper darker desert than the last 11 years.

    Also,

    And Stamkos won the Maurice Richard just after he turned 20 (basically 19).


    Like Crosby and Stamkos, McDavid will continue to improve on already achieved greatness and skill.

    That is what I meant by my post.

    There, doesn’t that read better?

    All of the content and 100% less dink.

    My answer to you was correct and not dinkish at all.

    Your response was out of line.

    I’d be way more concerned about Drai. Rishaug has already mentioned his play a couple times and you see a lot more comments, and hear a lot more chatter about his performance than McDavid.

    For the record, during Rishaug’s interview with Ferraro on the Pulp Hockey podcast, he reserved his harshest criticism for Chiarelli and it wasn’t even close. He repeatedly mentioned his track record of trading down in talent, going back to his days with the Bruins, and its impact on the roster.

  136. JimmyV1965 says:

    Lowetide:
    I deleted some posts from earlier today after receiving a complaint. In reviewing same, they were clearly over the line and shouldn’t have been allowed to stay up for many hours. To those who viewed them and were offended, my apologies.

    I think you deleted one of my posts and I apologize for any trouble I caused. The comment I was responding to was offensive IMO and personal in nature, and I may have went over the line myself.

  137. Wilde says:

    I should ask this again tomorrow, but for fans who are in support of keeping Todd McLellan, would Joel Quenneville’s availability change your mind?

  138. hunter1909 says:

    Wilde:
    I should ask this again tomorrow, but for fans who are in support of keeping Todd McLellan, would Joel Quenneville’s availability change your mind?

    Depends entirely on Paul Coffey’s opinion.

  139. hunter1909 says:

    @ Lowetide: Paul Coffey my all time fave Oiler can do no wrong lol

    He’s gone 1-0 since the last game so we have that.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    Game Day – finally.

    BUF beat flames in OT with their back up last night.

    Time for the Oilers to make if four straight!

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    OmJo:
    Lloyd B.,

    Sometimes I like to just look at Gretzky’s stats on HockeyDB and just imagine what it must have been like to see him play live.

    Truly awe inspiring. Almost 5 +200pt seasons in a row. People will say “it was the era” but Mario Lemieux is the only other player in 100 years of NHL hockey to get close to 200pts. And he did it just once. 2 players. It wasn’t just the era, they were unbelievably gifted athletes. Mind blowing.

    One of my favorite stats:

    No team in the history of the NHL has scored 400 goals in a season, except the Edmonton Oilers, who did it 5 times.

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    Extend Russell:
    Buying out Russell ??

    He’s a decent defenseman with some hesitation in his game .

    Hockey is a momentum based game. Proper stick work and shot blocking is an important skill in this league, I promise you. Also. By box cars and eye he was no worse than our 2 nd best defenseman in last years playoffs. I have a theory that he plays hurt to much and the coach needs to recognize this and sit him when that’s the case. When he’s healthy though? He’s crazy good in his own end ..

    Just my opinion though
    I’d resign him till he’s 38 lol
    Love that lil bastard

    I don’t disagree completely, however:

    1) He is overpaid for the role he plays and his abilities
    2) This team is in need of moving a player or players for some cap relief in order to fill holes
    3) This team is deep at Russell’s position and Russell is 4th on the left side depth chart
    4) Russell’s contract is quite buyout friendly with significant cap saving is every year except for one year (which is the potential lockout year.

    We would be a worse team if we just delete Russell from the roster, however, it might make sense to delete him from the roster in order to fill another hole.

  143. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar: One of my favorite stats:

    No team in the history of the NHL has scored 400 goals in a season, except the Edmonton Oilers, who did it 5 times.

    +1. LOVE THAT

  144. frjohnk says:

    OriginalPouzar: BUF beat flames in OT with their back up last night.

    The next best thing from the Oilers making the playoffs would be the Flames not making it. Especially this year. They keep getting points. GRRR!

  145. Extend Russell says:

    Wilde:
    I should ask this again tomorrow, but for fans who are in support of keeping Todd McLellan, would Joel Quenneville’s availability change your mind?

    Swept in playoffs last year
    Dismal this year
    I dunno. Hockey’s a fickle thing.
    His roster management this year has been interesting to say the least .

    Couple years ago no one wanted Torts
    Now everyone wishes they had him

    I dunno

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