G60 2017-18: Avalanche at Oilers

Tonight may be the final game as Oilers for several at Rogers, including Patrick Maroon, Mark Letestu and Mike Cammalleri. Could we see Anton Slepyshev heading out of town? Drake Caggiula? Ryan Strome? Based on some of the teams who have been following the Oilers around lately, anything is possible.

THE ATHLETIC!

BABY BLUE, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • February 2016: 3-7-0, goal differential -7 (6 points)
  • February 2017: 5-5-0, goal differential -2 (10 points)
  • February 2018: 2-7-1, goal differential -8 (5 points)
  • February 23, 2016: Ottawa 4, Edmonton 1 (Source)
  • February 26, 2017: Nashville 5, Edmonton 4 (Source)

February hasn’t ever been a stellar month during the McLellan era, a win tonight by this year’s version of the team puts them ahead of 15-16 and within striking distance of the playoff team. There were rumors of a possible Sekera return earlier in the week.

AFTER 59, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 22-31-6, goal differential -41 (50 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 32-19-8, goal differential +20 (72 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 24-31-4, goal differential -31 (52 points)
  • February 20, 2016: Colorado 3, Edmonton 2 (Source)
  • February 21, 2017: Tampa Bay 4, Edmonton 1 (Source)

Barring a winning streak of more than six games, it’s safe to say that this team’s outer marker (in terms of points) is about 75. On Boxing Day this team was 17-17-2 with some real issues and some walking around money, but the general manager didn’t make a move. Why? Why would a GM, who was already in an uncomfortable spot, pass on the opportunity to help his cause? More in a minute.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY

  • At home to: Colorado, Tampa Bay (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • On the road to: Los AngelesAnaheimSan Jose (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-3-0)
  • At home to: Florida (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Vegas, Arizona, Colorado (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Colorado (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 0-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-3, 13 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 2-7-1, five points in 10 games 

Why didn’t Chiarelli pull the trigger and add a more substantial backup goalie, or a right-wing for Connor McDavid? You could argue he thought Andrej Sekera would give the team a boost but I’m not buying. Sekera’s injury is known to include subpar performance in the month or more after return. It’s an interesting question.

WHAT’S HE BUILDING IN THERE?

According to CapFriendly, Edmonton has reached the trade deadline with $8 million in cap space (and they also project it to be $37 million in deadline dollars, meaning they could take on an enormous amount of money) with some bonuses (McDavid, Nurse) eating into that total.

What was the plan? Some say add at the deadline but as the numbers above show, Edmonton couldn’t possibly spend all of their cap room if they so desired at this deadline. Possible reasons include:

  • Chiarelli was told to back off and put the trade book away.
  • The prices were too dear.
  • All trades would have impacted future cap.
  • There were so many holes the general manager decided his own team was a lost cause.

Either way, the team didn’t add a substantial backup goalie, didn’t find an upgrade on the wing and we now arrive at the deadline with gigantic cap room, but only for a minute.

PROJECTED CAP SITUATION ENTERING SUMMER

I have estimated some contracts and used Jesse Puljujarvi’s full bonus number. There isn’t much room here, I do expect the team to move Oscar Klefbom out, likely in exchange for a righty blue who can help on the power play. I wouldn’t make that move, for me Klefbom is the last defender on the trade list.

Jim Matheson has Toronto, Pittsburgh and Columbus interested in Mark Letestu, three is a fine number for your No. 4 center at this time of year. In my article for The Athletic this morning, I mention Sonny Milano of the Blue Jackets as a possible target. It would probably take more than six weeks of Letestu, but the Jackets are an interesting team to ponder.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

All hell appears to be breaking loose at the trade deadline, we’ll chat about it this morning at 10, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. Heartbreak in women’s hockey at the Olympics, Oilers at the deadline.
  • Rob Vollman, NHL.com & ESPN. Why do fans overrate the trade value of players on their favorite team?
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Deadline gone wild.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

 

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  1. Lowetide says:

    Bank Shot: I love Hall. It was a bad trade made by Chia.

    If you want to ignore Hall’s supreme luck this season that’s your prerogative.

    The most reliable stat when talking about regression is shooting percentages. No one bucks the trend long term. Hall is riding those percentages too close to the sun.

    I think anyone without an axe to grind is going to recognize that Hall is having an outlier season that he isn’t likely to repeat.
    .

    Hall’s shooting percentage is above his career average by a couple of points but it isn’t 17 percent or anything. In fact, I think you could make a case for increased offense when NJD acquire a better group of puck movers from the defense.

  2. Pouzar says:

    Professor Q: I’ve used it here before, but I think wordplay is a beautiful thing to be shared and used frequently.

    And there it is…Bravo Q!

  3. Lowetide says:

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    Oiler lines vs COL:

    Lucic-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Cammalleri-Strome-Slepyshev
    Puljujarvi-Khaira-Pakarinen
    Auvitu-Letestu-Kassian

  4. Wilde says:

    Speaking of NJD defensemen, I wish we could have somehow got Severson included in that deal.

  5. Wilde says:

    Lowetide:
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    Oiler lines vs COL:

    Lucic-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Cammalleri-Strome-Slepyshev
    Puljujarvi-Khaira-Pakarinen
    Auvitu-Letestu-Kassian

    Imagine having your 4LW play the point on your PP1. Has that ever happened before?

  6. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bank Shot,

    The most reliable stat when talking about regression is shooting percentages. No one bucks the trend long term. Hall is riding those percentages too close to the sun.

    Hall’s ONSH% last 7 years: +2.35

    Hall’s ONSH% this year; +4.28

    Yeah, he’s riding that a bit.

    He’s played a lot with Hischier and he’s the goods though….1st over for a good reason.

    Hall’s Individual SH% last 7 years: 8.50%

    Halll’s Individual SH% this year: 8.78

    A hair.

    So when you say: “The most reliable stat when talking about regression is shooting percentages. No one bucks the trend long term. Hall is riding those percentages too close to the sun.”

    You are over stating it quite a bit imo.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    Game time!

    Curious to see who is on McDavid’s left wing with Maroon out.

    Go Oilers!

  8. JD_Wry says:

    OriginalPouzar: Curious to see who is on McDavid’s left wing with Maroon out.

    Coach is playing a hunch.

  9. Wilde says:

    I was about to check to see if Milan drags down 29+97 enough for it to be questionable to ‘load up one line’ with 27 neutering the benefit, and actually found only 30 minutes of 27+29+97 with this:

    66-30 CF
    47-24 FF
    37-16 SCF
    11-6 HDCF

  10. Wilde says:

    JD_Wry: Coach is playing a hunch.

    Barbaric.

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov with another goal: 2G 1A half way through the third.

  12. Pouzar says:

    Slepy is gooder.

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cammy/Strome/Slep line with great pressure and almost cashed.

  14. Wilde says:

    Strome-Slepyshev are also running a strong sample, 66 minutes:

    83-54 CF
    59-38 FF
    48-24 SCF
    12-6 HDCF

    But, shooting 2.5%.

    This team needs finish all through the lineup, goddamn.

    Wahlstrom and Hoffman, please.

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    No money for Hoffman – need to use it on 1/2RD hole.

  16. JonyPro says:

    Why are their two fans wearing leafs jerseys? God I hate Toronto on so many levels lol

  17. Andy Dufresne says:

    Slepyshev Makismov Safin

    or better still

    Slepyshev Maksimov Svechnikov

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dylan Wells stops 31 of 32 in a 3-1 (with EN goal) win.

    Great to see after Skinner had yet another great game last night.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov finishes with 2G, 1A, 7 shots on net and +3 in a 4-1 win.

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gold and Silver in the ski cross – good stuff.

    As an aside, anyone else as pumped as me for CAN/GER tomorrow morning?

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oh geez, Jesse – you have to bury that – wide open net!

  22. Wilde says:

    Looks like the plan is to get 98 with 97 with a double shift.

    Sammy Girard is so slick. Would love if the Oilers could find a defenseman like that in the 2nd round.

  23. Jaxon says:

    godot10: There is a lot of fake news out there.Russell has a full NMC the first two years, and a NMC (for waivers) with a NTC (lists of 10 and 15 teams) for the last two years.

    I realize that is what Cap Friendly says, but they get there info from news sources. Beer League Heroes has introduced information that seems to contradict it and has shown his sources.

    I was wondering the same thing right after he was signed:

    https://lowetide.ca/2017/07/06/a-satisfied-mind/comment-page-1/
    “JAXON says:
    July 6, 2017 at 9:09 am
    Does anyone have a definitive (and sourced) answer on whether Russell’s has a full NMC kicks that in right away and becomes a modified NMC on July 1, 2019 or he has no clauses until his modified NMC kicks in on July 1st, 2019. I’m finding conflicting info. There were reports that there was no NMC until the modified NMC in his 3rd year, but CapFriendly has it as a full NMC until the 3rd year when it becomes a modified NMC.”

    This info seems to support that information. Going back to the day of his signing Rishaug and others just reported the clauses in his final two years and nothing before that. Even then there were conflicting reports. Two sites that track contracts have conflicting info. Those sites use news reports as their sources, so they were probably reading the same news stories we were. And then someone mentioned his full NMC at an Oilers fan breakfast and Chiarelli corrected them. I’m not convinced either way, but hopeful that it is no clauses for the 1st two years.

  24. Wilde says:

    That’s just icing.

    Bednar loves these cheesy set dump-ins.

  25. JD_Wry says:

    OriginalPouzar: Jesse

    Looked like the puck bounced up on it’s edge when he fired it.

  26. Surrey Oiler says:

    Sorry, late to the show…why isn’t Maroon playing? Injured or sitting him so he won’t get hurt before trade deadline?

  27. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Gold and Silver in the ski cross – good stuff.

    As an aside, anyone else as pumped as me for CAN/GER tomorrow morning?

    Weather for tomorrow?

  28. OriginalPouzar says:

    Its pretty universally accepted that there is currently a full NMC – so universally accepted that, if it wasn’t the case, I’m sure the information would have been officially corrected by the organization.

  29. Wilde says:

    Surrey Oiler:
    Sorry, late to the show…why isn’t Maroon playing? Injured or sitting him so he won’t get hurt before trade deadline?

    Mystery injury. Looks to be LB from anecdotal accounts of his play lately.

  30. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    No money for Hoffman – need to use it on 1/2RD hole.

    I agree with the RHD concern, but we should keep in mind the same D (with a healthy Sekera and a much lesser Nurse) was more than fine last year. No guarantees, but the same crew could very well regress to that again next year.

    The results have been ugly, but on paper the bigger hole does look like speedy, scoring wingers to me.

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    Surrey Oiler:
    Sorry, late to the show…why isn’t Maroon playing? Injured or sitting him so he won’t get hurt before trade deadline?

    Lower body injury – (from the back of his knee getting rolled in to a few games ago).

    Likely to play on Sat.

  32. Wilde says:

    What the fuck is this powerplay trying to do?

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: I agree with the RHD concern, but we should keep in mind the same D (with a healthy Sekera and a much lesser Nurse) was more than fine last year. No guarantees, but the same crew could very well regress to that again next year.

    The results have been ugly, but on paper the bigger hole does look like speedy, scoring wingers to me.

    I don’t agree that it was more than fine – it struggles to transition the puck (and did last year) and that is largely a function of left shot D playing the right side.

    A true top 2 pairing right shot D would make a world of difference to our transition game and overall defensive structure setup.

  34. OilClog says:

    This is the point in the season that there’s no good excuse not having 98 in Stromes spot on the PP.

    Woooo veteran coaching

  35. OilClog says:

    Goal scoring is the most difficult task in the game, Hall n Ebs 47 combined goals would sure be nice.

    Getting Mcdavid scoring wingers is the most important task.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Most important task is getting a true top 2 pairing RHD to help transition the puck up to our forwards.

  37. Wilde says:

    Puljujarvi, Cammaleri had a good period I think.

  38. LMHF#1 says:

    Another 0-0 first period at home. Blah!

    But hey, they benched 91…so there’s that. I don’t even care that it’s due to illness.

  39. JD_Wry says:

    19 – 7 in shots, but no score. That’s beyond frustrating.

    Also, anyone want to guess at McDavid’s TOI in that period?

  40. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Most important task is getting a true top 2 pairing RHD to help transition the puck up to our forwards.

    Targets?

  41. Surrey Oiler says:

    OriginalPouzar: Lower body injury – (from the back of his knee getting rolled in to a few games ago).

    Likely to play on Sat.

    Thanks!

  42. Wilde says:

    8-1 HDCF for the Oilers that period.

  43. JD_Wry says:

    LMHF#1: But hey, they benched 91…so there’s that.

    Spurtznet said he wasn’t feeling well. Todd will try to make him feel better by double shifting him on the road trip.

  44. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OilClog,

    Unless they’re shopping Strome. Otherwise, yes.

  45. OilClog says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Most important task is getting a true top 2 pairing RHD to help transition the puck up to our forwards.

    Hate to break it to you, but a top 4 RHD isn’t helping cash in the chances that 97 and 29 create. Unless they’re playing wing? Oilers have mastered transitioning the puck with no goals to show for it, scoring wings please!

  46. Lowetide says:

    Numbers aren’t finalizing at NST yet but what a great period for McDavid. Holy lord.

  47. OilClog says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OilClog,

    Unless they’re shopping Strome.Otherwise, yes.

    No one is shopping out a flyer on Strome because of some power play time. Puju could be the shooter but they refuse to try.

  48. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OilClog,

    Didn’t say it makes sense, offered it as a possibility. RFA status, and all.

    Also, don’t discount his acumen on the PK.

  49. JD_Wry says:

    OilClog: Oilers have mastered transitioning the puck

    I see.

  50. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide: Hall’s shooting percentage is above his career average by a couple of points but it isn’t 17 percent or anything. In fact, I think you could make a case for increased offense when NJD acquire a better group of puck movers from the defense.

    Taylor is coming into his prime along with is old man strength.

  51. Wilde says:

    Lowetide:
    Numbers aren’t finalizing at NST yet but what a great period for McDavid. Holy lord.

    7-0 HDCF for 97.

  52. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t agree that it was more than fine – it struggles to transition the puck (and did last year) and that is largely a function of left shot D playing the right side.

    A true top 2 pairing right shot D would make a world of difference to our transition game and overall defensive structure setup.

    I fully agree it isn’t/wasn’t ideal, and also agree that another top 4 RD would be great.

    My “more than fine” could be translated as “good enough to finish 7th in the NHL in points and 6th in goal differential” last year. So I dunno, I think even with their warts this group can be part of a very good team (they HAVE been, so they could get back there).

    WHO made a great point this morning that waiting this out another year (the 4 LHD situation) allows you to move out one of the older guys. In that context I feel like a Hoffman type is the more important get than 2RD. JMO.

  53. Bank Shot says:

    Lowetide: Hall’s shooting percentage is above his career average by a couple of points but it isn’t 17 percent or anything. In fact, I think you could make a case for increased offense when NJD acquire a better group of puck movers from the defense.

    Sorry, I was talking about on-ice shooting percentage. In all situations this year, Hall and teammates have been shooting at 13.08% when Hall is on the ice . That’s good for 8th in the NHL for players that have played 500 minutes.

    For reference, only four players from 15/16 and 16/17 finished a season at over 13%.

    I think there is a pretty good chance that this is Hall’s career year.

    It was still a bad trade, but I don’t think Chiarelli traded a perennial Hart Candidate.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Hall is back in the 60-70ish point range next season. Still a really good hockey player, but I don’t think he’s the player that his production indicates this year.

  54. OilClog says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OilClog,

    Didn’t say it makes sense, offered it as a possibility.RFA status, and all.

    Also, don’t discount his acumen on the PK.

    PK and PP are two different special teams, I’m not asking for Puju to be on the PK for a moment, is Stromes shot better? I’d say no.

    I think Strome is perfectly fine on the PK.

    JD_Wry: I see.

    Did you see them having troubles in that period moving the puck? I saw the puck moving but systems in place that don’t attack.

    I didn’t see any shooters out there.

  55. Lowetide says:

    After One 0-0
    Shots 19-7 Edmonton
    Corsi for 5×5: 29-15 Edmonton

  56. Lowetide says:

    Bank Shot: Sorry, I was talking about on-ice shooting percentage. In all situations this year, Hall and teammates have been shooting at 13.08% when Hall is on the ice . That’s good for 8th in the NHL for players that have played 500 minutes.

    For reference, only four players from 15/16 and 16/17 finished a season at over 13%.

    I think there is a pretty good chance that this is Hall’s career year.

    It was still a bad trade, but I don’t think Chiarelli traded a perennial Hart Candidate.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Hall is back in the 60-70ish point range next season. Still a really good hockey player, but I don’t think he’s the player that his production indicates this year.

    Ah. I get you now. Thanks for clarifying.

  57. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Bank Shot,

    So when you say: “The most reliable stat when talking about regression is shooting percentages. No one bucks the trend long term. Hall is riding those percentages too close to the sun.”

    You are over stating it quite a bit imo.

    I don’t think I am.

    Hall is currently 8th in all situations on-ice shooting %. He’s over 13%.

    Only 4 guys have finished over 13% in the last two seasons. That doesn’t have sustain.

    2% higher shooting than usual on a 1000 shots can come out to 20 extra points.

  58. Hwahl says:

    In response to earlier posts:
    I dislike the generational-debate.

    To me a generational player does things with the puck that no other player could even imagine doing.
    They are so talented that they instantly transform even the worst franchise into a contender.
    A generational talent makes everyone they play with transcend their game.
    A generational talent is not only the face of a franchise but the face of the entire league.
    A generational talent is one of the best to have ever lived.

    There are very few generational players. There’s Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Lindros and Crosby.
    Some say Beliveau+Richard but I am not old enough to join that discussion.

    Gretzky and Lemieux need no explaination. Orr revolutionized the defensemen role. Lindros is the archetypal Power Forward ruined by injuries. Crosby is the face of modern hockey for a damn good reason.

    McDavid is a phenom. He brings something to the game that is unheralded. His speed with the puck and the things he can do at that speed is equal to none. He has all the tools to one day be in the discussion of who is the best of all times and none like him will come around in this generation.

    The term generational player is being thrown around too losely. To think that some people think Matthews, Kane etc generational is ridiculous. Yes, the are exceptional elite franchise players. So was Yzerman, Forsberg, Messier, Hull. They are hardly generational.

    To even suggest Hall is generational makes my stomach sick. And I LOVE Hall. Hall’s Oilers was still absolute garbage.

  59. Wilde says:

    jp: I fully agree it isn’t/wasn’t ideal, and also agree that another top 4 RD would be great.

    My “more than fine” could be translated as “good enough to finish 7th in the NHL in points and 6th in goal differential” last year. So I dunno, I think even with their warts this group can be part of a very good team (they HAVE been, so they could get back there).

    WHO made a great point this morning that waiting this out another year (the 4 LHD situation) allows you to move out one of the older guys. In that context I feel like a Hoffman type is the more important get than 2RD. JMO.

    Yeah, I feel like you can only afford to get an established guy for one cavity, and a stop-gap for the other.

    Both the market and last year’s precedent point towards established top six winger, and stop gap RD.

    There is no established, puck moving, top four RHD on the market for a palatable price and there’s tons of wingers that are.

  60. Pouzar says:

    WOW

  61. Lowetide says:

    Leon scored.

  62. Gerta Rauss says:

    filthy

  63. JD_Wry says:

    OilClog: Did you see them having troubles in that period

    Plenty, especially in the first part of the period. And the rest of it wasn’t extremely efficient. Very far from ‘mastering transitioning the puck.’

    The only game I can recall good puck movement from the Oilers, was against the tired Tampa team.

  64. Wilde says:

    Filthy goal and he knows it.

  65. Pouzar says:

    Drai Heat!

  66. jp says:

    Yeah that was a shocking nice goal!

  67. Rebilled says:

    Decent.

  68. thehop says:

    Best backhand skill in the league.

    Beauty goal.

  69. JD_Wry says:

    Pouzar:
    Drai Heat!

    Trade him for Sturm, Stuart and that other guy!

  70. Bank Shot says:

    It was worth watching this game just for that goal.

  71. OilClog says:

    Bank Shot: Sorry, I was talking about on-ice shooting percentage. In all situations this year, Hall and teammates have been shooting at 13.08% when Hall is on the ice . That’s good for 8th in the NHL for players that have played 500 minutes.

    For reference, only four players from 15/16 and 16/17 finished a season at over 13%.

    I think there is a pretty good chance that this is Hall’s career year.

    It was still a bad trade, but I don’t think Chiarelli traded a perennial Hart Candidate.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Hall is back in the 60-70ish point range next season. Still a really good hockey player, but I don’t think he’s the player that his production indicates this year.

    Per 82, 60-70ish players have poster of Hall up in their stalls. There’s no stat you’ve presented that leads to any truths in your highly questionable use of stats.

    https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/h/hallta02-advanced.html

    Read that, click all the buttons, there’s no way you don’t fall in love.

  72. Pouzar says:

    JD_Wry: Trade him for Sturm, Stuart and that other guy!

    I will never forget my days of listening to WEEI (Boston sports radio) and that idiot Dale Arnold actually defending that trade.

  73. Pouzar says:

    Who are these guys?

  74. jp says:

    That was a beautiful shift by all 5 Oilers.

  75. Wilde says:

    The Oilers are National Hockey Leagueing.

  76. Rebilled says:

    Pouzar,

    The Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Oilers.

  77. JD_Wry says:

    Pouzar:
    Who are these guys?

    It’s the Avalanche.

  78. Pouzar says:

    I don’t get why Slepy was such a TMc whipping boy. His defensive game is on point and he can actually make a play with the puck on his stick. I’ll say it again, some team is getting a nice player.

  79. Pouzar says:

    JD_Wry: It’s the Avalanche.

    Which year?

  80. Bank Shot says:

    OilClog: Per 82, 60-70ish players have poster of Hall up in their stalls. There’s no stat you’ve presented that leads to any truths in your highly questionable use of stats.

    https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/h/hallta02-advanced.html

    Read that, click all the buttons, there’s no way you don’t fall in love.

    Lets make a bet.

    I’ll predict Hall’s production falls next year.

    You take stays the same or improves.

    I’ll give you two to one odds on whatever. Bottle of rum. Hockey tickets. Whatever you want.

    Mcdavid was unlucky on that breakaway. Its been that kind of year. I’ll take the over on Mcdavid’s production next year.

  81. Gerta Rauss says:

    hahaha…how did that stay out..?

  82. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Bank Shot,

    The most reliable stat when talking about regression is shooting percentages. No one bucks the trend long term. Hall is riding those percentages too close to the sun.

    Hall’s ONSH% last 7 years: +2.35

    Hall’s ONSH% this year; +4.28

    Yeah, he’s riding that a bit.

    He’s played a lot with Hischier and he’s the goods though….1st over for a good reason.

    Hall’s Individual SH% last 7 years: 8.50%

    Halll’s Individual SH% this year: 8.78

    A hair.

    So when you say: “The most reliable stat when talking about regression is shooting percentages. No one bucks the trend long term. Hall is riding those percentages too close to the sun.”

    You are over stating it quite a bit imo.

    Putting him in a system that moves the puck quickly and giving him players that can play with his speed works. Who would have thunk it?

  83. Hwahl says:

    That should have been 1-1 only it wasn’t. Phew

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    Had to pick up the wife in the intermission so am a bit behind live but need to say – holy shit, what a goal by Leon – one of the plays of the year.

    One of the reason to watch each and every game no matter what – to see plays like that live – in my opinion at least.

  85. JD_Wry says:

    Pouzar: Which year?

    The year where they’re bottom 3rd of the league in goals against.

  86. OilClog says:

    JD_Wry: Plenty, especially in the first part of the period. And the rest of it wasn’t extremely efficient. Very far from ‘mastering transitioning the puck.’

    The only game I can recall good puck movement from the Oilers, was against the tired Tampa team.

    I saw a period if they had a couple shooters with their 20 shots they’d score a few. Not scenarios where a top 4 RHD cures the problem.

    They have no cheechoo, this team as constructed if they had a 30 goal winger while running Leon down the middle fulltime, they’d be currently in a different position. Joe had a bunch of assists, made a bunch of guys look amazing and helped TMac’s systems succeed.

    changing D around doesn’t magically make the forwards create the already Ridiculous amount of chances 97 and 29 create.

    They need forwards that can convert. Even if they get Erik the red out if Ottawa, they need forwards that can convert for 97 and 29, and let’s not forget 93, whose goals are sorely missed right now. They need a scoring winger so bad.

  87. Pouzar says:

    Get the camera off him. Boils my blood.

  88. Pouzar says:

    F^CK

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Through 7.5 minutes of the 2nd period – Oilers just dominating – coming in waves.

  90. Lowetide says:

    Kassian scored.

  91. Pouzar says:

    Trade Value! #Testube

  92. Wilde says:

    Three right handed shots, a raw rookie and an over-the-hill veteran and they’ve had two great games in a row.

    Hockey.

  93. Pouzar says:

    That line deserved it

  94. JD_Wry says:

    OilClog: I saw a period if they had a couple shooters with their 20 shots they’d score a few. Not scenarios where a top 4 RHD cures the problem.

    What little success they had advancing the puck against the Avs in the first period, will vanish into an unholy hell during the Cali road trip.

    The measure of a great puck moving team is realized against good teams on the road.

  95. Rebilled says:

    I’m gonna be disappointed if the fans don’t start chanting Valarmov’s name.

    He’s super pissed off right now.

  96. thehop says:

    Pouzar:
    That line deserved it

    Great shift by that line.

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wow, Khaira super lucky the Avs didn’t score on that PK gaffe in the offensive zone.

  98. OilClog says:

    Bank Shot: Lets make a bet.

    I’ll predict Hall’s production falls next year.

    You take stays the same or improves.

    I’ll give you two to one odds on whatever.Bottle of rum. Hockey tickets. Whatever you want.

    Mcdavid was unlucky on that breakaway. Its been that kind of year.I’ll take the over on Mcdavid’s production next year.

    I don’t do bets sorry, all my gambling is done through DFS.

    I think every year and every game Mcdavid will be better then his last. As with Hall, Hall isn’t in the regression stage of his career and his C is just getting started.

  99. JD_Wry says:

    Pouzar:
    That line deserved it

    The no look pass by SAK from the corner was either incredibly brilliant or lucky.

  100. Pouzar says:

    Grabner to Devils.

  101. Pouzar says:

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    Grabner to the Devils for a 2nd round pick and a prospect.

  102. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    digger50:
    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    Jackass

    Yes, I suppose I deserve that.

  103. Pouzar says:

    JD_Wry: The no look pass by SAK from the corner was either incredibly brilliant or lucky.

    We’ll go with the former in the name of trade value and stuff.

  104. Lowetide says:

    Per Gregor Grabner to NJD for a 2nd an an unnamed prospect.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    Weak zone entry by Puljijarvi on the PP.

  106. Lowetide says:

    What Pouzar said.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    Damn if only the Oilers could score on breakaways (McDavid, Slepy).

  108. JD_Wry says:

    Pouzar: the former

    You have to be good to be lucky.

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    Atta boy fourth iine – team deserved that goal.

    Nice forecheck by Jesse to create the turnover.

  110. JD_Wry says:

    There it is. Off the post and in with seconds left in the period.

  111. Pouzar says:

    JD_Wry: You have to be good to be lucky.

    I hope Chia is taking notes.

  112. OilClog says:

    JD_Wry: What little success they had advancing the puck against the Avs in the first period, will vanish into an unholy hell during the Cali road trip.

    The measure of a great puck moving team is realized against good teams on the road.

    I saw a bunch of games their wingers didn’t convert, at game 59.

    97- 26 goals.
    29 – 17
    93 – 16
    19 – 14
    27 – 9
    18 – 9
    16 – 9
    98 – 9

    Switching out Russell isn’t magically helping these guys convert for 97 and 29.

  113. Jaxon says:

    Pouzar:
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    Grabner to the Devils for a 2nd round pick and a prospect.

    Next move is for New Jersey to go after Erik Karlsson. Severson (or Vatanen), Michael McLeod, Quenneville and 1st round pick for Karlsson? They’ve got the cap space. They’re contenders. They’ve got lots of prospects to give up, and they could use a #1D.

  114. JD_Wry says:

    Lowetide: Per Gregor Grabner to NJD for a 2nd an an unnamed prospect.

    Wait – the Devils and Rags make a trade? Hmmm…

  115. JD_Wry says:

    OilClog: Switching out Russell isn’t magically helping these guys convert for 97 and 29.

    Getting the forwards the puck at the right time will make their chances easier.

    I’m not arguing against getting better snipers, but that move is putting the cart before the horse.

  116. Lowetide says:

    After Two

    2-1 Edmonton (2-1 in the second)
    Shots 32-20 Edmonton (13-12 in the second)
    Corsi for 5×5 47-40 Edmonton (25-18 Colorado in the second)

    That GA shift was pure misery. Lordy some terrible play by the home team on that shift

  117. OilClog says:

    59 games – 1994 shots on goal… 8th in the league all games combined and 6th overall at 33.8 per game.

    They need scoring wingers

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    Some wobble in the last 5 minutes and a beauty shot makes it a one-goal game where the Oilers deserved to be up by 3 or 4.

    Hopefully they can grab another insurance goal in the third.

  119. Wilde says:

    Jaxon: Next move is for New Jersey to go after Erik Karlsson. Severson (or Vatanen), Michael McLeod, Quenneville and 1st round pick for Karlsson? They’ve got the cap space. They’re contenders. They’ve got lots of prospects to give up, and they could use a #1D.

    McLeod and Quenneville appeared to be stagnating, last I checked, so this would be robbery for the Devils.

  120. Bank Shot says:

    OilClog: I don’t do bets sorry, all my gambling is done through DFS.

    I think every year and every game Mcdavid will be better then his last. As with Hall, Hall isn’t in the regression stage of his career and his C is just getting started.

    Would you have guessed Patrick Kane was 2nd in on ice shooting % in 2015/2016?

    Shooting percentage regression to the mean comes for them all.

    Joe Thornton was 7th that year in a bounce back season.

    I think Hall had much better linemates his last year in Edmonton than he has this year.

    Sometimes you have a season where everything goes right.

  121. OilClog says:

    JD_Wry: Getting the forwards the puck at the right time will make their chances easier.

    I’m not arguing against getting better snipers, but that move is putting the cart before the horse.

    Mcdavids best rushes are him starting in his own end, they never convert unless he scores or Leon sticks the landing.

    switching out defenders isn’t going to cure any of these guys cart issues, Mcdavid and Leon serve up plates of big momma’s cook out and the horses don’t drink it.

    They need some guys that can score or it’s all chicken shit pie.

  122. Fgary says:

    Is it just me or is spector the absolute worst…..yeesh

  123. JD_Wry says:

    OilClog: 1994 shots on goal

    The shot heat maps that WG has posted, says that they’re getting poor quality shots overall this season as opposed to last. They need better plays and the forwards need the puck in better areas.

  124. OmJo says:

    Spector bold with suggesting to extend Letestu.

  125. OilClog says:

    Bank Shot: Would you have guessed Patrick Kane was 2nd in on ice shooting %in 2015/2016?

    Shooting percentage regression to the mean comes for them all.

    Joe Thornton was 7th that year in a bounce back season.

    I think Hall had much better linemates his last year in Edmonton than he has this year.

    Sometimes you have a season where everything goes right.

    He’s had several seasons of everything going right, depends which stat you focus on, lots of options.

  126. jp says:

    Hold on, who’s missing Matt Hendricks? Where are these people?

    (I kinda like the player, but I’d damn near forgotten about him)

  127. Jaxon says:

    Wilde: McLeod and Quenneville appeared to be stagnating, last I checked, so this would be robbery for the Devils.

    You may be right. Insert any two prospects and a 1st? Or a prospect and 2 firsts? What do you think it would it take?

  128. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Does the Grabner return, from the Rengers’ chief rivals no less, lower everyone’s expectations for the Maroon return? Grabner is cheap. fast, good on the PK, scores all his goals at evens or with an empty net (!).

    I think it’s a buyer’s market this year and I maintain my low expectations for a Maroon return. A 2nd, or a 3rd and a prospect…if we get more then I am happy.

  129. JD_Wry says:

    Fgary: Is it just me or is spector the absolute worst…..yeesh

    Not as bad as the norovirus. On a trip to SE Asia. On your honeymoon.

  130. Material pocession says:

    OmJo:
    Spector bold with suggesting to extend Letestu.

    And compared him to, you got it…..a Swiss Army knife.

  131. Pouzar says:

    OmJo:
    Spector bold with suggesting to extend Letestu.

    Unfuckingbelieveable

  132. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Jaxon,

    What if the rookies that are driving their success don’t have another career year? Are they deep enough to make waves again?

  133. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Bank Shot: Would you have guessed Patrick Kane was 2nd in on ice shooting %in 2015/2016?

    Shooting percentage regression to the mean comes for them all.

    Joe Thornton was 7th that year in a bounce back season.

    I think Hall had much better linemates his last year in Edmonton than he has this year.

    Sometimes you have a season where everything goes right.

    I agree with you that I see Hall having a bit of an outlier year and he likely won’t put up as many points this year. Still a fantastic player, which I don’t think you are disputing.

    Last year the deal was easier to swallow because Larsson was good and healthy and Hall was hurt and not, this year the pendulum is full swing the other way. The truth long term likely lies somewhere in the middle–I like Larsson, the trade was still a loss in terms of who was the best player traded–Hall’s gone and isn’t coming back. It sucks. It really does, but I will keep cheering for Adam Larsson, whom I have always liked as a player and with whom I feel a kindred spirit due to the way we lost our dads early. Have all the time in the world for that young man.

  134. Gerta Rauss says:

    I’ve seen this movie

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    Damn – tie game.

    Another unlucky bounce – sigh!

  136. JD_Wry says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Grabner is cheap.

    We can only hope that there’s a desperate GM out there who’s looking for moar bigger and isn’t the best judge of talent. So he’s going to be traded to either Florida or Edmonton.

  137. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    I would call a timeout here and rally the troops to shake that one off.

  138. Wilde says:

    I was worried we were going to ruin the tank-streak.

  139. Fgary says:

    Pouzar,

    So was his rant on Jesse….

  140. JD_Wry says:

    First shot of the 3rd?

  141. Jaxon says:

    Karlsson options:

    Must be
    1. Contender
    2. Have some Cap Space
    3. Have a decent prospect pool
    4. Have a need for a #1 RHD

    Teams that fit that description:
    Devils
    Jets
    Lightning
    Flyers

    Erik Karlsson and Bobby Ryan to:

    Devils for:
    Damon Severson, Brian Boyle, Michael McLeod, Two 1st Round picks?

    Jets for:
    Jacob Trouba, Ben Chariot, Mathieu Perreault, Nic Petan, Kristian Vesalainen, 1st Round pick?

    Lightning for:
    Ondrej Palat, Brayden Coburn, Dan Girardi, Cal Foote, Brett Howden, 1st Round pick?

    Flyers for:
    Shayne Gostisbehere, Matt Read, Jori Lehtera, Oskar Lindblom, 1st round Pick?

  142. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Russell needed to close on his man a little better there. Not his fault–pretty shitty bounce, but there was room to defend that a bit better. We were caught a bit asleep there to start the period.

    The Rexall/Rogers? whatever DJ is the worst…”Everybody clap your hands?”

  143. Pouzar says:

    Fgary:
    Pouzar,

    So was his rant on Jesse….

    I don’t watch the intermissions.
    Sorry you had to hear all that.

  144. OilClog says:

    JD_Wry: The shot heat maps that WG has posted, says that they’re getting poor quality shots overall this season as opposed to last. They need better plays and the forwards need the puck in better areas.

    That’s systems, they stand where they stand and move the puck where they move the puck to because that’s how the coach wants it done.

    They have 1 winger over 10 goals,

    They have one winger that can convert at a goal every 6 games right now.

    A top 4rhd would be swell, but Mcdavid and Leon need guys that convert some of the ridiculous amount of heat they set up.

    Other teams don’t have to respect one single winger on this team unless 29 is with 97.

    Yes this glorious RHD would help create better chances in various situations but who the hell is going to convert anything? They need legitimate shooters.

  145. jp says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Bank Shot,

    The most reliable stat when talking about regression is shooting percentages. No one bucks the trend long term. Hall is riding those percentages too close to the sun.

    Hall’s ONSH% last 7 years: +2.35

    Hall’s ONSH% this year; +4.28

    Yeah, he’s riding that a bit.

    He’s played a lot with Hischier and he’s the goods though….1st over for a good reason.

    Hall’s Individual SH% last 7 years: 8.50%

    Halll’s Individual SH% this year: 8.78

    A hair.

    So when you say: “The most reliable stat when talking about regression is shooting percentages. No one bucks the trend long term. Hall is riding those percentages too close to the sun.”

    You are over stating it quite a bit imo.

    Is that 5X5 SH%? Or am I misunderstanding Individual SH%?

    Overall Hall’s SH% is 12.5% this year (25G/200SH)

    His career # is 10.6% (10.3% before this year).

    Year 1 and 2 where his best SH% years prior to this one.
    So his SH% in the past 5 yrs (before this one) is 9.5%

    In the past 3 yrs (before this one) he’s at 8.8%

    That means this year he’s shooting 2% better than his career.
    3% better than his past 5 yrs
    And 3.5% better than his past 3 yrs.

    Fair?

  146. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Oilers’ forwards continue to coast when getting off the ice on line changes. That was evident the other night as well. Peewee level stuff but the lack of effort in this regard is evident–coaches should be fixing that.

  147. OilClog says:

    If only Russell was a RHD, Mcdavid would of tipped that successfully.

  148. JD_Wry says:

    Pouzar: I don’t watch the intermissions.

    I nominate you for the position of Poo Czar of the Oilogosphere.

  149. JimmyV1965 says:

    Schleppy and JP look good tonight.

  150. OmJo says:

    Good stick by Larsson that was a scary situation

  151. jp says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Does the Grabner return, from the Rengers’ chief rivals no less, lower everyone’s expectations for the Maroon return? Grabner is cheap. fast, good on the PK, scores all his goals at evens or with an empty net (!).

    I think it’s a buyer’s market this year and I maintain my low expectations for a Maroon return. A 2nd, or a 3rd and a prospect…if we get more then I am happy.

    Remember when we thought we might get a 1st for Petry?

  152. OilClog says:

    I still whimper about the 3rd and 5th for Hemsky.

  153. Wilde says:

    Larsson’s playing well defensively and activating often.

  154. jp says:

    Wow, the Avs clearly scouted and used the Russel outlet. Damn.

  155. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    jp:
    Wow, the Avs clearly scouted and used the Russel outlet. Damn.

    They’ve also scouted Talbot’s weak high glove side

  156. Wilde says:

    97’s at 11-0 HDCF.

  157. Pouzar says:

    Sweet game of “keep it away from SAK” there. Nice shift line 3.

  158. Gerta Rauss says:

    Igor Rykov is the prospect in the Grabner trade-5th round pick currently playing in the KHL

    *edit-Yegor Rykov LHD

  159. Pouzar says:

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    First ever NYR-NJD trade call is now complete. Done deal.

  160. OmJo says:

    I remember that Habs game.

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Igor Rykov is the prospect in the Grabner trade-5th round pick currently playing in the KHL

    Its an extremely middling return – was hoping the prospect would be more material but this prospect isn’t really much of one.

  162. thehop says:

    Another good shift by Pulujarvi-Letestu-Kassian.

    I hope Pulujarvi continues to grow this year. There is a player there.

  163. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar: Its an extremely middling return – was hoping the prospect would be more material but this prospect isn’t really much of one.

    Buyer’s market

  164. Pouzar says:

    And it dies with Letestu

  165. OmJo says:

    The thing about Grabner is he’s kind of undervalued by the league.

    Then again, remember, we got Maroon for a 6th and Gernat.

    A first doesn’t seem likely anymore. While Chiarelli seems reluctant to play the “McDavid pumped your stats” card with his own players, I’m sure other GMs won’t have such reservations when negotiating a Maroon trade.

  166. Gerta Rauss says:

    OriginalPouzar: Its an extremely middling return – was hoping the prospect would be more material but this prospect isn’t really much of one.

    It sounds like a body in/body out deal with the 50 man list top of mind…so essentially a 2nd round pick for Grabbo

  167. Pouzar says:

    That interference is called 10/10 times on Oilers D.

  168. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OmJo:
    The thing about Grabner is he’s kind of undervalued by the league.

    Then again, remember, we got Maroon for a 6th and Gernat.

    A first doesn’t seem likely anymore. While Chiarelli seems reluctant to play the “McDavid pumped your stats” card with his own players, I’m sure other GMs won’t have such reservations when negotiating a Maroon trade.

    Respectfully, a first was never likely. We all tend to overvalue our team’s players. Natural tendency. Better to assume less and hope for the best.

    Less room for disappointment. I’ve also said it’s too high of a bar for Chia to clear and it’s unfair to him if we expect a big haul.

    If he gets one, then he did really well.

  169. Wilde says:

    A first was never likely. It should really be something like Leivo, Petan, Lemeuix or a 2nd.

  170. Pouzar says:

    Come on Davy

  171. Pouzar says:

    How do u miss from there?

  172. JimmyV1965 says:

    jp: I agree with the RHD concern, but we should keep in mind the same D (with a healthy Sekera and a much lesser Nurse) was more than fine last year. No guarantees, but the same crew could very well regress to that again next year.

    The results have been ugly, but on paper the bigger hole does look like speedy, scoring wingers to me.

    If we go into the new season with Benning as our 2 RHD we’re in trouble.

  173. OriginalPouzar says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Buyer’s market

    Its now looking that way.

  174. Pouzar says:

    Jesse has had a real nice game tonight and if our coach had a hot clue JP would get the 2nd shift in OT.

  175. Jaxon says:

    Please don’t put Lucic out there in OT.

  176. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gerta Rauss: Rykov

    I don’t believe that Rykov has signed an NHL contract.

  177. JD_Wry says:

    OilClog: That’s systems,

    In terms of moving the puck forward, the major changes from last season (same coaches), were that Klef played through injury early, Seks was already injured, Larsson struggled, OV2 took some time to work in, and Nurse took a step forward. So mostly a big negative. Russell rustled, same as last year.

  178. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    OriginalPouzar: Its now looking that way.

    Yeah, unusual to have 10 teams clearly out of it already. And big market teams like the Rangers sending out explicit tank letters to their fans.
    One side was going to blink soon, and it was likely to be the Rangers to lead that movement. They have, and have established the market at Grabner for a 2nd and a C prospect.

    I would think Maroon has less value than Grabner, no?

  179. OmJo says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Respectfully, a first was never likely. We all tend to overvalue our team’s players. Natural tendency. Better to assume less and hope for the best.

    Less room for disappointment. I’ve also said it’s too high of a bar for Chia to clear and it’s unfair to him if we expect a big haul.

    If he gets one, then he did really well.

    You’re right. Still, it was nice to dream for a little bit before having to come back to reality.

    A man can dream!

  180. Gerta Rauss says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t believe that Rykov has signed an NHL contract.

    OK

  181. Wilde says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Yeah, unusual to have 10 teams clearly out of it already. And big market teams like the Rangers sending out explicit tank letters to their fans.
    One side was going to blink soon, and it was likely to be the Rangers to lead that movement. They have, and have established the market at Grabner for a 2nd and a C prospect.

    I would think Maroon has less value than Grabner, no?

    He should, but I doubt it.

    Maroon’s big and can be nasty, easy sell to a WC team.

  182. JD_Wry says:

    Love Nurse in 3v3 OT.

  183. OriginalPouzar says:

    What a beauty goal.

    Drai is elite!

  184. Wilde says:

    Unreal two plays by Draisaitl this game, wow.

  185. OmJo says:

    WHAT A PLAY!

  186. jp says:

    That was insane!!!

    That topped the earlier goal for sure!!! Wow!!

  187. OilClog says:

    Leon Forsberg!

  188. JD_Wry says:

    That’s the best Forsberg power move I’ve seen in 20 years.

  189. LMHF#1 says:

    So….Leon came to play.

  190. JonyPro says:

    Leon is a man!

  191. Gerta Rauss says:

    No denying Leon tonight

    If we played COL every night we’d be set

  192. OmJo says:

    Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.

  193. JimmyV1965 says:

    Maybe we shouldn’t trade Drai. Just sayin.

  194. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Wilde: He should, but I doubt it.

    Maroon’s big and can be nasty, easy sell to a WC team.

    It’s interesting. Grabner has the 2nd most even strength goals in the NHL over the past 2-ish seasons. But a lot of empty-netters. He PKs and has incredible speed. Plays only 14 mins a night. Zero PP time. Unique skill set. Vigneault trusts him to be out there late with the game on the line, clearly.

    Maroon has gritensity and decent hands but slow feet

    Nice play by Draisaitl. Good game for him.

  195. Pouzar says:

    JD_Wry:
    Love Nurse in 3v3 OT.

    Almost as much as Cammalleri

  196. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    What a beauty goal.

    Drai is elite!

    Not so much this year

  197. OriginalPouzar says:

    What a fun and entertaining game to watch.

    Two phenomenal scoring plays by Leon.

    I feel bad for those Oiler fans that are no longer watching games.

  198. Hwahl says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Maybe we shouldn’t trade Drai. Just sayin.

    No return could make up for what we’d lose. McD and Drai together will eventually get us a cup no matter how much chia fucks us

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