Deadline Day

The Edmonton Oilers have already made two deadline deals (Brandon Davidson to Brooklyn, Mark Letestu to Ohio via those Nashville Cats) and we’ll probably see more deals today. The changes were evident last evening, as Ty Rattie was up from Bakersfield and Yohann Auvitu drew in for Kris Russell. Watch for trades today and the waiver wire this week.

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GOOD VIBRATIONS, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • February 2016: 3-10-0, goal differential -12 (6 points)
  • February 2017: 6-6-0, goal differential -2 (12 points)
  • February 2018: 5-7-1, goal differential -6 (11 points)

Helluva recovery and that’s the truth. Edmonton two years ago couldn’t get much done after a slow start and for last year’s team treading water was fine because they’d done lots of hard work during the winter. This year’s team has rarely posted three wins in a row, so when they do, it stands out in a big way.

AFTER 62, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 22-34-6, goal differential -46 (50 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 33-21-8, goal differential +17 (74 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 27-31-4, goal differential -29 (58 points)

In a season of disappointment, this small ray of sunshine is as welcome as daylight to the miners of Big Bad John. This year’s team is on pace for 77 points and the range where (I think) coach and manager may be able to survive another day. Knowing you as I do, that probably doesn’t make you happy but we’re trying to read tea leaves here, not yell echoes into the canyon (although you are welcome to rage in the comments section). At this point, if the Oilers can grab 20 more points, I expect garbage bag day may not be Armageddon. That doesn’t mean the owner keeping his powder dry is the right thing to do, by the way.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM FEBRUARY

  • At home to: Colorado, Tampa Bay (Expected 0-1-1) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • On the road to: Los AngelesAnaheimSan Jose (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 0-3-0)
  • At home to: Florida (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: Vegas, Arizona, Colorado (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-2-0)
  • At home to: Boston, Colorado (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, San Jose (Expected 0-2-1) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 5-6-3, 13 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 5-7-1, 11 points in 13 games 

Honestly with this team. What a bizarre month this has been. The first California trip was uninspired and this one is breathtaking and a rollercoaster. Incredibly, a win against San Jose would mean the Oilers matched my prediction for the month. Prepare for endless patting myself on the back.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Klefbom-Benning went 16-7 in 14:06 together, 1-0 GF and 4-1 HDSC. Always look for the McDavid minutes and in this case he was on the ice with this pairing for eight minutes (2-0 GF with Klefbom and 5-0 in HDSC. It really is a different game). Went 11-4 against Cogliano-Kesler-Silvferberg, I think the Anaheim center is down a quart based on his flaccid performance last night.
  • Auvitu-Sekera went 11-12 in 13:49, 0-2 GF and 1-4 HDSC. I like both defenders but this wasn’t a great night. Neither man is overly strong and both got crunched by the Ducks forwards several times. It’s a tough assignment, don’t think they make the best duo against what is the de facto filthiest team in the league. Went 3-8 (0-2 GF) against Rakell-Getzlaf-Perry. I like both as puck movers but this pairing could use a piano mover all the same.
  • Nurse-Larsson were 14-20 in 16:52 (lots of 5×5 time tonight, lordy), 3-0 GF and 2-4 HDSC. They were 2-7 with the McDavid line and 4-5  (2-0 GF) with the Strome line. Went 1-9 against the  Cogliano-Kesler-Silvferberg line. Nurse was in the crease and getting in the way of his goalie on the late tying goal, suspect he might have been trying to do too much.
  • Al Montoya stopped 41 of 46 shots, .891.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Lucic-McDavid-Slepyshev were 14-13 in 15:58 on the evening, 2-0 GF and 5-1 HDSC. McDavid also played with other people and they all scored. What a player. 97 was on the ice with Iiro Pakarinen for seven seconds, it would have been more but McDavid sent a brilliant pass to the Finn for a goal. Lucic picked up an assist on the play, but was generally uninspired and entirely ineffective on the game tying goal late. Todd McLellan can’t use him in that situation. know he makes $6 million but there are better options.
  • Cammalleri-Draisaitl-Rattie went 12-12 in 11:40, it was a ragtag line but effective nonetheless. Went 1-0 GF, 0-2 in HDSC’s and 7-9 against Rakell-Getzlaf-Perry line (but 2-0 GF). Cammalleri is having a helluva run in the ‘really good decisions with the puck category’ and Leon is healthy and brilliant again. Rattie looked good, fast enough and intelligent. I hope we see him again.
  • Caggiula-Khaira-Pakarinen were 6-7 in 9:22, 0-1 in GF. The line didn’t play much together at 5×5 and got ripped up a little when Kassian got hurt. Caggiula’s late penalty was a very poor decision and the coach needs to make sure that doesn’t happen again.
  • Puljujarvi-Strome-Kassian went 6-7 (JP) and 3-3 (Kassian) with Strome. The line got shuffled heavily but Strome scored twice and Puljujarvi got an assist (his first point in a long time).

KAILER YAMAMOTO

  • Yamamoto 2016-17: 65GP, 42-57-99 (1.52 points-per-game)
  • Yamamoto 2017-18: 33GP, 19-37-56 (1.70 points-per-game)
  • Yamamoto first 10 games: 1-8-9
  • Yamamoto second 10 games: 7-11-18
  • Yamamoto third 10 games: 8-14-22
  • Current three games: 3-4-7

He’s on fire now, making up for lost time earlier in the year. Edmonton will need value contracts and the team’s history informs us the young man will be on the roster opening night. It would give the team more depth and balance if Peter Chiarelli improved right-wing to the point where KY had to start the season in Bakersfield (as an extra skill winger). He would be just a phone call away and give next year’s team more elements.

I have no idea where Boisvert is headed in media but can tell you this guy is very smart and should be a national presence around the draft. When I was reading this, I found myself nodding in agreement all the way through. One of the reasons for it? Teams become impatient (like Buffalo Sabres under Tim Murray) and trade precious draft picks willy-nilly (like Edmonton Oilers Peter Chiarelli) and we are here.

I wrote about Aberg at The Athletic yesterday and for me he’s a reasonable bet. He and Anton Slepyshev should be vying for the same job but there’s a chance both of them make it. One advantage for both men: Left-wingers are going to be a team need the moment Patrick Maroon is dealt.

FAMOUS OILERS DEADLINE TRADES

  • March 11, 1980—Oilers traded C Ron Chipperfield to Quebec Nordiques for G Ron Low. One of the most famous trades in team history, Chipperfield was wildly popular and was experiencing a devastating family situation. A painful, if necessary, trade.
  • March 10, 1981—Oilers traded D Pat Price to the Pittsburgh Penguins for C-R Pat Hughes. This was an interesting trade at the time and turned into an impactful one. Hughes was a big part of the first Stanley Cup team, probably more important than history suggests just by looking at the numbers.
  • March 10, 1981—Oilers traded R Blair MacDonald and the rights to Lars-Gunner Petersson to the Vancouver Canucks for C Ken Berry and D Gary Lariviere. Well, Blair MacDonald was building a house while scoring a bunch and wanted a raise, and Slats didn’t think scoring on 99’s line was all that difficult. I always like Lariviere, he was not an Oiler for long but played well in his one full season.
  • March 10, 1981—Oilers traded seventh-round pick (Craig Hurley) to Los Angeles Kings for C Garry Unger. It is important to remember that Unger was one of the NHL’s biggest stars of the 1970s. Sather had been after him since Edmonton entered the NHL, finally getting the center for not much at all. He didn’t hang around long enough for the Stanleys, but he was a favorite of mine and I enjoyed watching him play for the town team.
  • March 8, 1982—Oilers trade C Walt Poddubny and R Phil Drouillard to the Toronto Maple Leafs for C Laurie Boschman. This trade didn’t work out, but Boschman was a big name. Toronto took him early in the 1979 draft and he didn’t succeed like the others in that draft, but his value was still high in 1982. He played in three playoff games that spring for the Oilers, and was in Winnipeg by the 1983 postseason.
  • March 7, 1983—Oilers trade C Laurie Boschman to Winnipeg Jets for R Willy Lindstrom. One of my favorite players when he was a Jet, thrilled to see him succeed as an Oiler. He played on the first two Stanley teams, and scored 10 postseason goals in those years.
  • March 2, 1987—Oilers traded second-round pick (Link Gaetz) to the Minnesota North Stars for C Kent Nilsson. This was a fantastic pickup, Nilsson had a major impact on the team upon arrival. A ridiculous talent, he finally got with the right team. Magic man.
  • March 6, 1987—Oilers trade D Lee Fogolin, Mark Napier and fourth-round pick (John Bradley) to the Buffalo Sabres for Normand Lacombe, a fourth-round pick (Peter Eriksson) and the rights to Wayne Van Dorp. Two of my favorites heading out, Lacombe a young prospect who the Oilers felt could provide them with that patented two-way grittiness that made up Slats best teams. Lacombe delivered, but was not here a long time.
  • March 10, 1987—Oilers trade L Raimo Summanen to the Vancouver Canucks for L Moe Lemay. This was acknowledgement that Summanen—once highly touted—was not going to have a big NHL career. I always liked him. Lemay was fun to watch.
  • March 8, 1988—Oilers trade G Andy Moog and L Moe Lemay to the Boston Bruins for G Bill Ranford, L Geoff Courtnall, F Alan May and a second-round selection (Petro Koivunen). This might be the best deadline trade in Oilers history, suspect it would get my vote almost 30 years later. Courtnall played 19 games on the 1988 winner, Ranford won the 1990 Conn Smythe and emerged as the Oilers starter for the first half of the 1990s.
  • March 6, 1990—Oilers trade D Jeff Sharples to the New Jersey Devils for D Reijo Ruotsalainen. One of my favorite Oilers, Ruotsalainen is a walking advertisement for why trade deadlines are a great idea. I bet he can still skate like the wind.
  • March 10, 1992—Oilers trade L Martin Rucinsky to the Quebec Nordiques for G Ron Tugnutt and L Brad Zavisha. This is the beginning of the difficult time, where Edmonton bled talent trying to shore up leaks and good players were just passing through. Rucinsky was a helluva draft pick, gone for 29 games of Ron Tugnutt. Why? Edmonton lost Tugnutt to the Anaheim Ducks in the expansion draft.
  • March 17, 1993—Oilers trade L Esa Tikkanen to the NY Rangers for C Doug Weight. A brilliant trade deadline deal, really the ultimate trade for a team looking to reload. Tikkanen was a unique player who commanded a lot of attention and Weight would become the face of the franchise during tough times that became good ones.
  • March 15, 1994—Oilers trade D Dave Manson to the Winnipeg Jets for D Boris Mironov, Mats Lindgren and the first round selection that turned into Jason Bonsignore. One of my favorite trades because of Mironov, but it could have been an all-time great deal if the organization hadn’t stubbed their toe on the draft pick.
  • March 21, 1994—Oilers trade Craig MacTavish to the NY Rangers for C Todd Marchant. This deal was like “Tikk-for-Weight lite” as Edmonton dealt a great checking center for a player who had more offensive ability but the same general skill set (Marchant developed into a fine two-way center). A great deal.
  • March 18, 1997—Oilers trade W Miro Satan to the Buffalo Sabres for L Barrie Moore and D Craig Millar. Argh. I would never give up Sather’s brilliance at the trade table but this one hurt. His coach didn’t see him as a checking winger and the team had skilled men they liked more. My, what a nice problem to have!
  • March 24, 1998—Oilers trade D Dan McGillis to the Philadelphia Flyers for D Janne Niinimaa. Another of my all-time favorite Oilers arrived at a deadline, Niinimaa would have 50 assists on a Connor McDavid team. This was a fine deal.
  • March 20, 1999—Oilers trade D Boris Mironov and L Dean McAmmond to the Chicago Blackhawks for L Ethan Moreau, R Daniel Cleary and C Chad KilgerThis was one of the biggest deals in terms of total players and picks (nine in all) and Edmonton upgraded their forward group in one fell swoop. I missed BoBo, though.
  • March 20, 1999—Oilers trade C Mats Lindgren and a draft pick to the NY Islanders for G Tommy Salo. A trade for Curtis Joseph’s replacement was necessary and Salo would serve in the role for several seasons.
  • March 23, 1999—Oilers trade draft picks to the Toronto Maple Leafs for D Jason Smith. Toronto made a terrible trade.
  • March 19, 2002—Oilers trade D Tom Poti and F Rem Murray to the NY Rangers for C Mike York and a draft pick. Kevin Lowe’s first big trade deadline deal was spent in pursuit of skill at center. He gave up too much.
  • March 11, 2003—Oilers trade R Anson Carter and D Ales Pisa to NY Rangers for R Radek Dvorak and D Cory Cross. I liked this trade once we got a good look at Dvorak, who ended up being a responsible two-way winger perfectly suited to a MacT team.
  • March 11, 2003—Oilers trade D Janne Niinimaa and picks for L Brad Isbister and L Raffi TorresI didn’t like the deal at the time (Niinimaa) but picking up Torres was a very smart move.
  • March 8, 2004—Oilers trade G Tommy Salo to Colorado Avalanche for D Tom Gilbert. The kind of trade every general manager should be trying to make in a losing season.
  • March 8, 2006—Oilers trade a first and third round pick to the Minnesota Wild for G Dwayne Roloson. One of the best trades in Oilers history.
  • March 9, 2006—Oilers trade C Marty Reasoner and a draft pick to the Boston Bruins for L Sergei Samsonov. This trade worked well, despite the draft pick turning into Milan Lucic.
  • February 27, 2007—Oilers trade L Ryan Smyth to the NY Islanders for R Robert Nilsson, C Ryan O’Marra and a first round pick. One of the most infamous trades in team history. I could write a book.
  • March 4, 2009—Oilers trade L Erik Cole to the Carolina Hurricanes for L Patrick O’Sullivan. It didn’t work out, Edmonton was an organization that couldn’t get out of its own way at the time. O’Sullivan was a good bet, it didn’t work out but that isn’t on the player.
  • March 3, 2010—Oilers trade D Lubomir Visnovsky to the Anaheim Ducks for D Ryan Whitney. Oilers never did understand what they had in Lubo, damn shame. Whitney’s start with the team was fabulous but he had some significant injury problems during his time in Edmonton.
  • February 28, 2011—Oilers trade L Dustin Penner to the Los Angeles Kings for D Colten Teubert and a first-round pickI said at the time the deal made sense for a rebuilding team, and the first-round pick was Oscar Klefbom. A tough deal at the time, changed this blog’s relationship with readers forevermore.
  • March 5, 2014—Oilers trade R Ales Hemsky to Ottawa Senators for third and fifth-round picksA very disappointing end to a wonderful Oilers career.
  • March 2, 2015—Oilers trade D Jeff Petry to Montreal Canadiens for draft picksYou don’t trade quality defensemen in mid-career at the deadline for draft picks. A stunningly dumb trade.
  • February 27, 2016—Oilers trade D Justin Schultz to Pittsburgh Penguins for a third round pick. A struggling but gifted blue was sent away to get a fresh start. Edmonton needed to bring him along slowly but had no depth in which to do it.
  • February 29, 2016—Oilers trade D Martin Gernat and a fourth-round pick to the Anaheim Ducks for L Patrick Maroon. A fine deal that paid off handsomely.

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  1. Nix says:

    OmJo:

    So addition by subtraction, then?

    Oh yyeahh. Now do*coughkrisrussellcough*

  2. Nix says:

    Nix,

    What? Nothing.

  3. russ99 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: True, but a few of those traded aren’t really much better and got good returns. We have a bit of a pattern here. He trades with only a few teams when trading players of value and gets worked.

    He got as much for Davidson who shouldn’t be close to Maroon in value given usage and established play/scoring. Tatar is 2 years younger but not much more offensive the last two years and doesn’t have Maroon’s playoff scoring over a few series.

    Better than a walk but not great.

    Davidson is 26 and an RFA, completely different case.

  4. Andy Dufresne says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Maroon with some kind words about his team and Oilers organization at his presser

    Sail on Patty

    Sail On……or Sail On Back Around Patty….dont be a stranger…

  5. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Paddy Maroon return > Vanek return. No reason to be mad. As a fanbase we were very much overvaluing Maroon. He played well for us and Gernat and a 4th became Dudek and a 3rd, with one 27 goal season added. Of all the moves to criticize Chia for this isn’t even close to being bad.

  6. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Andy Dufresne: Sail On……or Sail On Back Around Patty….dont be a stranger…

    Paddy? Bueller?

  7. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Gerta Rauss: How do you figure..? Vegas’ first round pick this year will be in the back half of the draft

    Vegas is guaranteed no worse than 6th overall, no? Expansion deal.

  8. Gerta Rauss says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Vegas is guaranteed no worse than 6th overall, no? Expansion deal.

    I thought their draft place/order was just for last year. I haven’t seen or heard anything about the 2018 draft-their place will be determined by their points just like everyone else as far as I know

  9. cabbiesmacker says:

    So Maroon is gone and we’re left with a non contributing, trending in the wrong direction, puddle of goo at LW for another 5 years. Irony that the puddle of goos contract is one reason why Maroon is gone.

    #freechiarelli

  10. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Gerta Rauss: I thought their draft place/order was just for last year. I haven’t seen or heard anything about the 2018 draft-their place will be determined by their points just like everyone else as far as I know

    Oh you are probably right. Going back to sleep. haha. Clearly not awake yet.

  11. Professor Q says:

    Mike Green was wondering if he’d get traded, too.

  12. GMB3 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – This is all-time hindsight revsionsist GM 20/20’ing! Props

    Didn’t you just tell me to be more measured in my responses? Pot meet kettle.

    Anyways if you look past what the MSM tell you, it would be a logical assumption to think Maroon would fall back to earth and Eberle would rebound. Shooting percentages

  13. Professor Q says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    http://paddynotpatty.com/

    Although I do recall a Wendy’s commercial like 15 years ago about one of their double patty burgers.

    “If *YOUR* name’s Pat, and *MY* name’s Pat, that makes us two Patties!”

  14. OmJo says:

    GMB3: Didn’t you just tell me to be more measured in my responses? Pot meet kettle.

    Anyways if you look past what the MSM tell you, it would be a logical assumption to think Maroon would fall back to earth and Eberle would rebound. Shooting percentages

    Yeah it wasn’t hindsight to think trading Eberle after the worst performance of his career was a bad time to do it.

  15. Gerta Rauss says:

    If you let the Chia presser play through it transitions to the interview with Maroon

    Matheson asks him about circling back to the Oilers on July 1 and UFA and Maroon answers to the affirmative

    I talked to Peter for a while, he knows I like it here….July 1 I want to circle back here and see if I can be an Edmonton Oiler again

  16. Professor Q says:

    I completely missed Winnipeg also picking up Joe Morrow.

    Interesting trade. Less likely to crack Winnipeg’s D than Montréal’s…

  17. ashley says:

    Now sign Slepy for 1M x 3, let him have those 1LW minutes and watch the flower bloom.

  18. GMB3 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Awesome: Here is the play book:

    1) b4tch that Chia is going to sign Maroon for 4×4 overpay
    2) b$tch that Chia is waiting too long
    3) b5tch that Chia is a moron, as he hasn’t been traded
    4) b$tch about the result

    B$itch about Chia playbook: written by the Oil fandom

    Wouldn’t be it an indictment of us as fans to be happy with the GM when we are this far out of the hunt? I’d understand it if it was a situation where you could rationalize a “patience, the GM has a vision” but it appears to me he had a vision and figured out two years later that his vision may have been incorrect so now he gets a second try. Interesting

  19. Nix says:

    ashley:
    Now sign Slepy for 1M x 3, let him have those 1LW minutes and watch the flower bloom.

    #bloomslepyshev

  20. Professor Q says:

    So Chia says he wished he could have gotten more for Maroon (in a disappointed tone), then pauses and perks back up and says “but we’re happy with the return!”

    Wait. If you wish that you could have gotten more, then why are you happy with the return?

  21. Bag of Pucks says:

    GMB3: Wouldn’t be it an indictment of us as fans to be happy with the GM when we are this far out of the hunt?

    I think it’s an indictment of the fans to keep showing up to the games when the team is this brutal, but nothing seems to stop that.

    I blame this season primarily on MacLellan and the players, so no, I don’t see it as an indictment to not be jumping on the lynch Chiarelli wagon.

    Pete’s made some mistakes undoubtedly, but the team he gave MacLellan this season is not that materially different from the team that finished last season. Eberle for Strome and a third of the year without Sekera doesn’t explain going from being on the bubble of the Western Conference Final to being back in the lottery toilet again.

    There has to be more going on than some non-core roster changes to explain that level of downturn. Mediocre goaltending. Poor defensive structure. Horrendous special teams. Nearly every core player outside the 3Cs have regressed significantly.

    You know what tends to separate the great coaches from the good ones? Consistency. Flip flopping between poor to good to poor is an indication of mediocre coaching imo. The deployment has been so questionable game in and game out, it’s really surprising to me how much of this fanbase is overlooking MacLellan in favour of wanting his boss fired.

    And yes, I appreciate people are going to likely bring up the departures of Pitlick and Pouliot too. But we’ve been over this. It was a big gamble of Dal to give Pitlick that deal given the injury history and MacLellan refused to play Benoit. So if anyone forced Chia’s hand on Pouliot, it’s the HC who decided he had better options.

  22. Professor Q says:

    “You know, it’s tough making deals. You have to deal with their organization and their scouts and all their people, and our people, so it’s a process that takes a lot of work. Very exhausting to trade. I wasn’t actively trading but I wasn’t surprised.”

    Damn it, Chia. I had hope for you when Edmonton hired you. Sigh.

    That’s like MacTavish quotes there.

    “Dealing with other GMs is hard in this league. I have a lot of work to do.”

  23. Pouzar says:

    npanciroli:
    Possession stats haven’t done shit for the Oilers this year.

    WTF does possession have to do with shitty Special Teams?
    Come on man.

  24. Side says:

    Professor Q:
    So Chia says he wished he could have gotten more for Maroon (in a disappointed tone), then pauses and perks back up and says “but we’re happy with the return!”

    Wait. If you wish that you could have gotten more, then why are you happy with the return?

    Ehhh I know what he means. The minimum he had in mind was probably a 3rd and a prospect, but was trying to get more, he didn’t get more but still got what he wanted so he’s happy with that.

    On the Chiarelli mood scale, I imagine it goes

    Very Happy – more than a 3rd and a prospect

    Happy – 3rd and a prospect

    Not happy – anything less.

  25. npanciroli says:

    Pouzar,

    That’s my point.

  26. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: The deployment has been so questionable game in and game out, it’s really surprising to me how much of this fanbase is overlooking MacLellan in favour of wanting his boss fired.

    Some of us have been mentioning the coaching issue for awhile…like for over two years.

  27. Scungilli Slushy says:

    russ99: Davidson is 26 and an RFA, completely different case.

    For me other GM’s brought better returns for similar scoring and history. Add the low cost for Maroon and established playoff performance and he should have had a return between Davidson (a 7th D who hasn’t cracked an NHL lineup yet) and the overpays for Hartman and Tatar.

    At least a second or a better prospect. For me it’s a problem that PC consistently gets low returns above replacement level deals. Other GMs seem to be able to get decent returns for mediocre players. Even great returns for better players. Just not the Oilers.

    PC is either a weak negotiator in timing and technique or he undervalues his own players, which given what he did in Boston as well seems like a pattern for him.

    Doesn’t matter, done deal. At least it wasn’t for Nuge or Klefbom.

  28. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Maroon is slow and has 14 goals. It was a buyers’ market and few deals got done. Ryan Hartman is 23 and RFA. Tatar has way more skill than Maroon.

    Look at what Vanek returned. This was the market for Maroon.

  29. LMHF#1 says:

    Listening to Chiarelli spit a line of non-stop excuses sure is painful. Either defend your moves and say they were correct, or say you’re disappointed and wanted to do better.

    Is it too much to ask that someone competent and assertive hold an NHL GM job?

  30. Bank Shot says:

    I think I would have prefered a 3rd + a 6th or a 7th over Dudek.

    He seems like a typical Oilers late round pick, and we all know how those turn out.

    Probably picked out by the US regional scout. I don’t know who that is for the Oilers but their track record is not good. Seems like the best players they have found were picked because of bloodlines. (Pitlick, Jones, Simpson, McPhee). Anyone outside of that has not come even remotely close to cracking the NHL.

  31. Oilers8833 says:

    I’m on the fire Chia train as much as most people. But when the teams that were most interested leave the dance floor….STL (sellers, trade Stastny), WPG (trades for Stastny), BOS (trades for Nash), TBL (trades for McDonagh) etc and the fact that Maroon isn’t 100% and has been playing the least inspiring hockey of his EDM tenure….should we really be that surprised.

    At best I was thinking a second rounder. I’ll be the first to say Chia is shit, but to me if we are debating the difference between a 3rd/prospect and a 2nd, its more the anger for everything Chia than the actual return.

  32. npanciroli says:

    Yamamoto McDavid Draisaitl
    Lucic RNH Puljujärvi
    Aberg Strome Slepyshev
    Cagguila Khaira Kassian

    Nurse Larsson
    Klefbom Benning
    Sekera Russell

    This is it next year as of now?

  33. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Honestly not surprised by the fan disappointment but the expectations were so unreasonable.

    I grade Chia a B+ this deadline

    He would have gotten an A from me had he gotten something for Cammy and Montoya.

    Paddy Maroon was never going to fetch a Kostin type, even with an add. Chia tried for as long as he could to get a more NHL ready prospect, did not get it, took what he could.

    In the cap era Erat for Forsberg sticks out as such a mistake that GMs don’t do that anymore.

  34. OmJo says:

    Professor Q:
    So Chia says he wished he could have gotten more for Maroon (in a disappointed tone), then pauses and perks back up and says “but we’re happy with the return!”

    Wait. If you wish that you could have gotten more, then why are you happy with the return?

    He’s as consistent as the on-ice product.

  35. OmJo says:

    Pouzar: WTF does possession have to do with shitty Special Teams?
    Come on man.

    Well…

    If you have possession of the puck you should take less penalties and draw more penalties.

    That keeps the shitty penalty kill off the ice, but puts the shitty power play on the ice.

    The shittiness cancels out.

  36. Scungilli Slushy says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Maroon is slow and has 14 goals. It was a buyers’ market and few deals got done. Ryan Hartman is 23 and RFA. Tatar has way more skill than Maroon.

    Look at what Vanek returned. This was the market for Maroon.

    Vanek is slow and old and has weak playoff numbers and a reputation as a one way player. His numbers aren’t much better than Maroon reg season.

    Maybe the market wasn’t there, my concern largely lays in a pattern of not finding ever deals for better players that even out his scalpings. Can’t win them all but you also can’t lose all the time.

  37. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: Some of us have been mentioning the coaching issue for awhile…like for over two years.

    True dat. I didn’t say it was everyone.

  38. Diablo says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Honestly not surprised by the fan disappointment but the expectations were so unreasonable.

    I grade Chia a B+ this deadline

    He would have gotten an A from me had he gotten something for Cammy and Montoya.

    Paddy Maroon was never going to fetch a Kostin type, even with an add. Chia tried for as long as he could to get a more NHL ready prospect, did not get it, took what he could.

    In the cap era Erat for Forsberg sticks out as such a mistake that GMs don’t do that anymore.

    Completely agree with this assessment.
    Chia made the moves he had too right now and brought back a couple of 3rd round picks … not bad. Chia would have received a “A” grade from me only if he managed to move out a NMC.

    That clearly is not a realistic expectation though … this year the market was quiet … teams on the playoff bubble are trying to hoard cap space so that they can take a run at Tavares.They’ll all be disappointed when JT resigns with NYI, and Carlson resigns with WASH.

    I really like the the addition of Aberg … he’s fast and has a terrific shot from in tight … if TMac plays him with McDavid, he has the speed to keep up and hands to bury Connor’s feeds.

    Also … we are now down to 46 contracts … I think we’ll see Chia take someone off waivers before the end of the season

  39. frjohnk says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Honestly not surprised by the fan disappointment but the expectations were so unreasonable.

    I grade Chia a B+ this deadline

    He would have gotten an A from me had he gotten something for Cammy and Montoya.

    Paddy Maroon was never going to fetch a Kostin type, even with an add. Chia tried for as long as he could to get a more NHL ready prospect, did not get it, took what he could.

    In the cap era Erat for Forsberg sticks out as such a mistake that GMs don’t do that anymore.

    It was a buyers market.

    Shero said price for Maroon came down 10 minutes before deadline.

    I’m not a fan of Chia as he has damaged this team in a few ways but I think he really had no options at the end.

    Shero did very well knowing it was a buyers market and waiting till the final markets and getting Maroon for the price he did.

    I understand people will be upset as the prospect ( Gernat) we gave up to get Maroon is probably close to par on the prospect we just got for Maroon and the early 4th round pick we gave up to get Maroon is not much different than a mid to later 3rd round pick ( value to get Maroon 2 years ago was close to value we received today) but I think the market, not Chia, dictated the return for Maroon today.

  40. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    frjohnk: It was a buyers market.

    Shero said price for Maroon came down 10 minutes before deadline.

    I’m not a fan of Chia as he has damaged this team in a few ways but I think he really had no options at the end.

    Shero did very well knowing it was a buyers market and waiting till the final markets and getting Maroon for the price he did.

    I understand people will be upset as the prospect ( Gernat) we gave up to get Maroon is probably close to par on the prospect we just got for Maroon and the early 4th round pick we gave up to get Maroon is not much different than a mid to later 3rd round pick ( value to get Maroon 2 years ago was close to value we received today) but I think the market, not Chia, dictated the return for Maroon today.

    Which is essentially what I was trying to lower our expectations down to for weeks. It was very clearly a buyers market.

  41. Professor Q says:

    Ray Shero giving yet again a different account than Chiarelli. Not positive at all.

  42. Side says:

    I recall when McLellan was talked about being hired as the head coach for the Oilers, there were a lot of people who were very happy with this decision. At worst, there seemed to be a handful of people who said they would prefer Nelson. Some people even said they would prefer McLellan over Babcock.

    Then McLellan’s first year, I don’t recall a lot of anger towards Todd. People knew it was a bad team and losing McDavid + other injuries screwed the team over.

    Then last year, hardly a lot of anger towards Todd. Seemed to be a couple of grumblings about how he was utilizing players too much or relying too much on McDavid. The worst I recall was people saying “Todd can’t win the big playoff games even if he has the horses to do it”

    Now this year…there’s a lot of

    “I knew Todd was bad years ago. I knew about these issues year ago, I told you Todd is a bad coach”

    Bullllllshiiiit.

  43. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Professor Q:
    Ray Shero giving yet again a different account than Chiarelli. Not positive at all.

    How so?

  44. OriginalPouzar says:

    I understand people will be upset as the prospect ( Gernat) we gave up to get Maroon is probably close to par on the prospect we just got for Maroon and the early 4th round pick we gave up to get Maroon is not much different than a mid to later 3rd round pick ( value to get Maroon 2 years ago was close to value we received today) but I think the market, not Chia, dictated the return for Maroon today.

    In addition to price received on disposition minus cost to acquire ab initio, we also received a couple solid years of work for the player who was a big part of last season’s success – both regular and playoff.

  45. Professor Q says:

    Scungilli Slushy: How so?

    Well, Chia basically trying to cover himself by saying there was no fluctuation in price and he stayed firm, even if he wanted more.

    Shero said that Chia basically broke under pressure and he waited him out, the price going up and down etc.

  46. Diablo says:

    Professor Q:
    Ray Shero giving yet again a different account than Chiarelli. Not positive at all.

    Seriously, Chia should just ignore Shero’s calls from now on.

    Chia just has no juice when it comes to making deals. Book is essentially out on him … he’s impatient and will overpay to get what he wants, and can be waited out when he’s got something to sell.

    Not good.

  47. Georges says:

    Side:
    I recall when McLellan was talked about being hired as the head coach for the Oilers, there were a lot of people who were very happy with this decision.At worst, there seemed to be a handful of people who said they would prefer Nelson. Some people even said they would prefer McLellan over Babcock.

    Then McLellan’s first year, I don’t recall a lot of anger towards Todd. People knew it was a bad team and losing McDavid + other injuries screwed the team over.

    Then last year, hardly a lot of anger towards Todd.Seemed to be a couple of grumblings about how he was utilizing players too much or relying too much on McDavid. The worst I recall was people saying “Todd can’t win the big playoff games even if he has the horses to do it”

    Now this year…there’s a lot of

    “I knew Todd was bad years ago. I knew about these issues year ago, I told you Todd is a bad coach”

    Bullllllshiiiit.

    This is why Krueger and Nelson >> #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach.

    “I always thought the most important thing a good coach must do is to build the team around the characteristics of his players”

    Quennevile is the best at this in the NHL.

    – godot10, Feb. 8, 2016

    https://lowetide.ca/2016/02/18/g59-2015-16-wild-at-oilers/

    (Probably not the first sighting…)

  48. Gayfish says:

    Bet NJD get more for Maroon trading his negotiating rights at the draft.

  49. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Side,

    – Maroon talked about Chia and Maroon in his presser: certainly different message…Classy guy

    – He totally gets the missed window: on top line, scoring, playoffs, vs where they are now…

  50. McSorley33 says:

    Professor Q,

    Indeed.

    PC just admitted what quite a few posters here are reluctant to admit….
    the return for Maroon was weak.

    Of the three deadline deals, one of them stands out.

    Yes, I know, nothing earth shattering but this GM struggles with value creation.

    Again, conceding the return for Letestu and Davidson was good.

  51. littleenglish says:

    Diablo: Seriously, Chia should just ignore Shero’s calls from now on.

    Chia just has no juice when it comes to making deals. Book is essentially out on him … he’s impatient and will overpay to get what he wants, and can be waited out when he’s got something to sell.

    Not good.

    Yup, don’t really agree with others that it was a buyers market considering the price given up for some of the trades. Chiarelli pretty much waited to make a trade until liquidity dried up.

  52. GMB3 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    I 100% agree on all your points. That’s a fair and measured take IMO. I’m not a fan of Chia’s and I see the point he was trying to make. I think Chia’s made some brutal mistakes, but I have no issue with what he did for the deadline, and I’m not saying he needs to be lynched either.

    I know the fans would show up either way, but I’d rather watch Connor McDavid on a losing team then look back and regret missing the opportunity to watch one of the most exciting players of all time play for my favourite team.

  53. Side says:

    Georges: This is why Krueger and Nelson >> #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach.

    “I always thought the most important thing a good coach must do is to build the team around the characteristics of his players”

    Quennevile is the best at this in the NHL.

    – godot10, Feb. 8, 2016

    https://lowetide.ca/2016/02/18/g59-2015-16-wild-at-oilers/

    (Probably not the first sighting…)

    Godot of past also preferred McLellan over Babcock, citing McLellan is mediocre and merely replacement level and that even mediocre coaches can win cups.

    Godot of present is a… journey.

  54. Andy Dufresne says:

    Professor Q:
    So Chia says he wished he could have gotten more for Maroon (in a disappointed tone), then pauses and perks back up and says “but we’re happy with the return!”

    Wait. If you wish that you could have gotten more, then why are you happy with the return?

    When I was ten I really wanted a Mustang Bicycle for Christmas but I got a Hockey stick and Hockey Net…..I really wanted that bike but I was happy with the Stick and Net. What a f#ck*ng Dotard I was….you know…when I was 10.

  55. Georges says:

    Professor Q: Well, Chia basically trying to cover himself by saying there was no fluctuation in price and he stayed firm, even if he wanted more.

    Shero said that Chia basically broke under pressure and he waited him out, the price going up and down etc.

    Really? Classy move. Source?

  56. McSorley33 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    At times, playoff hockey gets real slow and jungle like. Lots of ugly goals to be scored.

    As a rental, for a playoff run, Maroon could help a team.

    I never thought about a top prospect from St.Louis …..but not a 3rd rounder.

  57. GMB3 says:

    littleenglish: Yup, don’t really agree with others that it was a buyers market considering the price given up for some of the trades.Chiarelli pretty much waited to make a trade until liquidity dried up.

    The playbook on Chiarelli is probably pretty obvious. If you wait him out, he will cave. That being said a third is better than nothing.

  58. Andy Dufresne says:

    Professor Q:
    “You know, it’s tough making deals. You have to deal with their organization and their scouts and all their people, and our people, so it’s a process that takes a lot of work. Very exhausting to trade. I wasn’t actively trading but I wasn’t surprised.”

    Damn it, Chia. I had hope for you when Edmonton hired you. Sigh.

    That’s like MacTavish quotes there.

    “Dealing with other GMs is hard in this league. I have a lot of work to do.”

    You dont think dealing with other GMs is hard? or You dont think Peter has a lot of work to do?

  59. Andy Dufresne says:

    godot10: Some of us have been mentioning the coaching issue for awhile…like for over two years.

    And a few for more than that!

  60. GMB3 says:

    $omething $omething Oilers fan playbook addition.

    Are there people out there who truly think Chiarelli has done a great job as GM? Without twisting your own arm?

  61. McSorley33 says:

    Professor Q,

    Shero’s account vs. PC’s account of the deal.

    I can pick out the posters that buy PC’s version.

  62. Andy Dufresne says:

    Scungilli Slushy: For me other GM’s brought better returns for similar scoring and history. Add the low cost for Maroon and established playoff performance and he should have had a return between Davidson (a 7th D who hasn’t cracked an NHL lineup yet) and the overpays for Hartman and Tatar.

    At least a second or a better prospect. For me it’s a problem that PC consistently gets low returns above replacement level deals. Other GMs seem to be able to get decent returns for mediocre players. Even great returns for better players. Just not the Oilers.

    PC is either a weak negotiator in timing and technique or he undervalues his own players, which given what he did in Boston as well seems like a pattern for him.

    Doesn’t matter, done deal. At least it wasn’t for Nuge or Klefbom.

    Yeah….Like when he got Davy for free and then flipped him for a third, or moved Jokinen for Cammalleri, or Letustu for Aberg …..Fire the Dotard!

  63. Wilde says:

    Andy Dufresne: You dont think dealing with other GMs is hard? or You dont think Peter has a lot of work to do?

    Is that what you got from his post?

  64. Rebilled says:

    Missed the weekend games and looks like i missed some madness.

    We won a coaches challenge? To decide the game? Unbelievable.

    2 goals in the last 21 seconds vs. Montoya? Believable.

  65. Wilde says:

    Guys, you can’t shit on me for selling my $20 000 scratch ticket for $10 000.

    I only paid $5 for it!

  66. Professor Q says:

    Andy Dufresne: You dont think dealing with other GMs is hard? or You dont think Peter has a lot of work to do?

    When MacT came out and said this same feeling of it being difficult to trade with other GMs, especially as a newbie, people here were on him for:

    A) Stating the obvious.

    B) Giving up his cards too early, while also being a brand new GM.

    Obviously trading is difficult. You’re all trying to win and beat the other guys (and, no, I wouldn’t last a day). But it seems like a defensive measure to announce during your trade presser that hey, trading is hard, be happy with what you got.

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    littleenglish: Yup, don’t really agree with others that it was a buyers market considering the price given up for some of the trades.Chiarelli pretty much waited to make a trade until liquidity dried up.

    What trades are you talking about? The only pending UFA that got a good to great return was Nash – all the other pending UFA scoring forwards got shitty returns – Vanek, Kane, etc.

    No trade consummated for a player with term is a comparable to the rental maket.

  68. Andy Dufresne says:

    Professor Q: Well, Chia basically trying to cover himself by saying there was no fluctuation in price and he stayed firm, even if he wanted more.

    Shero said that Chia basically broke under pressure and he waited him out, the price going up and down etc.

    Youre not good at paraphrasing Dotards……which ironically……is a compliment to you.

  69. Andy Dufresne says:

    littleenglish: Yup, don’t really agree with others that it was a buyers market considering the price given up for some of the trades.Chiarelli pretty much waited to make a trade until liquidity dried up.

    Agreed…Dotard should have convinced San Jose to take Maroon instead of Kane.

  70. OilClog says:

    Oilers don’t have a single full time winger with 10 goals now lol, but hey we got a 3rd rounder that will be good to go around 2023 or so if everything breaks right! and a prospect not in the devils top 10 prospects to show for it! Wooooooo.

  71. Wilde says:

    Just jokes, fellas.

    What do we do now till Nuge is back?

    Slepyshev – McDavid – Cammaleri

    Lucic – Draisaitl – Rattie

    Puljujarvi – Khaira – Strome

    Aberg – fuck I ran out of players – Kassian

  72. Andy Dufresne says:

    GMB3:
    Bag of Pucks,

    I 100% agree on all your points. That’s a fair and measured take IMO. I’m not a fan of Chia’s and I see the point he was trying to make. I think Chia’s made some brutal mistakes, but I have no issue with what he did for the deadline, and I’m not saying he needs to be lynched either.

    I know the fans would show up either way, but I’d rather watch Connor McDavid on a losing team then look back and regret missing the opportunity to watch one of the most exciting players of all time play for my favourite team.

    If you can enjoy watching McDavid play for a losing team you’re gonna LOVE watching him play on a winning team. Smart. IMHO

  73. OilClog says:

    Rebilled:
    Missed the weekend games and looks like i missed some madness.

    We won a coaches challenge? To decide the game? Unbelievable.

    2 goals in the last 21 seconds vs. Montoya? Believable.

    Incorrect the league called for the challenge and won against itself, Todd is still 0%

  74. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – So if cheapo fast wingers is the approach & keep RNH, can we live with:

    Lucic-McD-Sleppy
    Caggs-Drai-Pool
    Jar-RNH-Kailer
    Pontus-Strome-Kassian

    – Will be an interesting off-season

  75. Wilde says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – So if cheapo fast wingers is the approach & keep RNH, can we live with:

    Lucic-McD-Sleppy
    Caggs-Drai-Pool
    Jar-RNH-Kailer
    Pontus-Strome-Kassian

    – Will be an interesting off-season

    This I like cept Caggiula.

    Slepy+97 are up to almost an hour of ice time together now and the numbers still shine

    63-43 CF
    56-34 FF
    39-23 SCF (!)
    21-6 HDCF (!!)

    I think most of this was with Slepyshev at LW though

  76. Bling says:

    I think the return on Maroon is about market value.

    He really isn’t an impact player — as WG has shown, he scores like a 4th liner at evens when he is away from McDavid.

    Every team in the league is going to have that information.

    Overall, I think Chia’s deadline moves were good.

  77. Professor Q says:

    Looks like there’s a big party welcoming back Tessa & Scott tonight.

    Not there nor am I really interested, but it’s fun having those hometown heroes.

  78. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bling:
    I think the return on Maroon is about market value.

    He really isn’t an impact player — as WG has shown, he scores like a 4th liner at evens when he is away from McDavid.

    Every team in the league is going to have that information.

    Overall, I think Chia’s deadline moves were good.

    You are a reasonable person. On the bright side…..we’ve got a superstar alchemist who can turn bottom six wingers into top six wingers….that is GOLD! (just like Crosby does in Pittsburgh)

  79. Professor Q says:

    Bling,

    To be honest I think it went fine for what it could be, and what we have.

    I was only commenting on how the pressers seemed to go, I suppose. The meaning behind things. The thought processes. All that jazz.

  80. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jordan,

    Maroon for a darft pick and a middling prospect is fine. I like that Dudek is a RHC, and has a1.5 PPG average in the NCAA. That’s reasonable for a prospect at that level to maybe translate to the AHL or NHL level. The 3rd is another bullet. I like multiple bullets.

    Dudek is scoring at 0.5 pts/gm, not 1.5.

    He’s 22 and this is his 3rd year in the NCAA.

    He’s not really a prospect as those boxcars don’t get signed often.

    Also,

    Peter had a decent deadline. Not great, not bad.

    A little thin on the Maroon return, but Maroon hurt that himself.

    Would be a mistake to re-sign him imo.

    Cammalleri would probably help a team more than Maroon or Letestu this spring i’d think.

  81. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bling:
    I think the return on Maroon is about market value.

    He really isn’t an impact player — as WG has shown, he scores like a 4th liner at evens when he is away from McDavid.

    Every team in the league is going to have that information.

    Overall, I think Chia’s deadline moves were good.

    Perhaps true.

    Does anyone think PC could get a first and a prospect for Strome? He and Hartman are a year apart in age, same scoring and Strome is a right shot centre which has more value than a winger every day.

  82. Rebilled says:

    OilClog,

    Now that’s believable!

  83. OilClog says:

    TMac handicaps his own success tying Lucic to Mcdavid, literally any other player on the team would have more success put into Lucic’s position.

    1.25ppg 103pt pace 1st qt of season
    1.00ppg 82pt pace 2nd qt of season
    1.35ppg 111pt pace 3rd qt of season

    Guess which quarter of the season Lucic was Mcdavids primary left wing?

    Guess which quarter or quarters.. Maroon was..

    We lost the good match for pennies because GM blew his wad for an old flame. We’re all left burning for it. Owww

  84. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Wilde: This I like cept Caggiula.

    Slepy+97 are up to almost an hour of ice time together now and the numbers still shine

    I think most of this was with Slepyshev at LW though

    – I agree: they need another vet who can still wheel up there in the batting order

    – But if they want to bring back RNH, the cheopo young fast winger approach is the only way:

    fast-train-McD-Slep
    Lucic-Drai-Pool
    Jar-RNH-Kailer
    Pontus-Strome-Kassian

    – Then the D no change with:

    Klef-Larsson
    Nurse-Sek
    Russel-Benning
    Auvitu

    – Really you have to hope that Klef Larsson and Sek can get back/improve.

  85. Wilde says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Perhaps true.

    Does anyone think PC could get a first and a prospect for Strome? He and Hartman are a year apart in age, same scoring and Strome is a right shot centre which has more value than a winger every day.

    He could have gotten something at the deadline but now you’re just trading his RFA rights

  86. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Jordan,

    Maroon for a darft pick and a middling prospect is fine. I like that Dudek is a RHC, and has a1.5 PPG average in the NCAA. That’s reasonable for a prospect at that level to maybe translate to the AHL or NHL level. The 3rd is another bullet. I like multiple bullets.

    Dudek is scoring at 0.5 pts/gm, not 1.5.

    He’s 22 and this is his 3rd year in the NCAA.

    He’s not really a prospect as those boxcars don’t get signed often.

    Also,

    Peter had a decent deadline.Not great, not bad.

    A little thin on the Maroon return, but Maroon hurt that himself.

    Would be a mistake to re-sign him imo.

    Cammalleri would probably help a team more than Maroon or Letestu this spring i’d think.

    In wonder if there was a market for Cammi. He should have gone as well. The need for assets outweighs the finish this season greatly. He could always be signed in the summer, although I would aim higher.

  87. Material pocession says:

    GMB3:
    $omething $omething Oilers fan playbook addition.

    Are there people out there who truly think Chiarelli has done a great job as GM? Without twisting your own arm?

    He’s an average GM. Done well with minor transactions and drafting. Hasn’t done well with UFA and major transactions. Gets a pass on RFA contracts.

  88. Material pocession says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Perhaps true.

    Does anyone think PC could get a first and a prospect for Strome? He and Hartman are a year apart in age, same scoring and Strome is a right shot centre which has more value than a winger every day.

    I’d rather keep Strome. He is/has reinvented his game and should be signable at good value.

  89. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Wilde: He could have gotten something at the deadline but now you’re just trading his RFA rights

    Yes but does anyone think he could have got that return? I don’t. Which is the concern.

    A few big trade wins would move the dial forward. He hasn’t found one in a long time, probably since Chara.

    Maybe Aberg hits it. It would be nice.

  90. Wilde says:

    Material pocession: He’s an average GM.Done well with minor transactions and drafting.Hasn’t done well with UFA and major transactions.Gets a pass on RFA contracts.

    How does being good in small deals, and franchise-alteringly bad in large deals, wash out to average?

  91. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Material pocession: I’d rather keep Strome.He is/has reinvented his game and should be signable at good value.

    They’ll keep him, Nuge will go at some point. I just hope Strome finds some consistency. PC foreshadowed in his presser. Just don’t trade with Shero or Snow, they have his number in negotiating.

  92. Georges says:

    OilClog:
    TMac handicaps his own success tying Lucic to Mcdavid, literally any other player on the team would have more success put into Lucic’s position.

    1.25ppg 103pt pace 1st qt of season
    1.00ppg 82pt pace 2nd qt of season
    1.35ppg 111pt pace 3rd qt of season

    Guess which quarter of the season Lucic was Mcdavids primary left wing?

    Guess which quarter or quarters.. Maroon was..

    We lost the good match for pennies because GM blew his wad for an old flame. We’re all left burning for it. Owww

    How is this possible?

    According to NST, CMD 5v5 GF60, TOI with

    Lucic 3.44, 332
    Maroon 3.04, 514

  93. Wilde says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Yes but does anyone think he could have got that return? I don’t. Which is the concern.

    A few big tradewins would move the dial forward. He hasn’t found one in a long time, probably since Chara.

    Maybe Aberg hits it. It would be nice.

    You mean, had he dealt Strome at the deadline?

    I think if he was working a lot of teams and shopping Strome since, say, the beginning of the month, an average GM could probably get Hartman’s return for him.

  94. Westchester Oil says:

    Like most of the people here, I’m a bit disappointed by the return for Maroon. That said, the collective return for Davidson, Letestu + Maroon was decent.

    The one thing I will miss about Maroon is his expression of pure joy whenever he scored. No showboating – just genuine happiness.

    As bad as Chia has been overall, the roundtrip trade on Maroon still has to be seen as a (rare) win.

  95. Andy Dufresne says:

    OilClog:
    TMac handicaps his own success tying Lucic to Mcdavid, literally any other player on the team would have more success put into Lucic’s position.

    1.25ppg 103pt pace 1st qt of season
    1.00ppg 82pt pace 2nd qt of season
    1.35ppg 111pt pace 3rd qt of season

    Guess which quarter of the season Lucic was Mcdavids primary left wing?

    Guess which quarter or quarters.. Maroon was..

    We lost the good match for pennies because GM blew his wad for an old flame. We’re all left burning for it. Owww

    Managing Lucic will be critical moving forward. Coach needs to max his attributes and minimize his weaknesses.

    As a starting point
    Play him on second or third line depending on how he’s going. (with Drai and JP or Strome and Slepy/Khaira)
    Play him only 16 minutes a night (or less).
    Give a night off every now and then…not as punishment….but as a rest (against the smaller teams)
    Play him on 2nd unit PP. Tell him to go to the front of the net and stay there
    Insist he come into camp 15 lbs lighter
    Get him a skating coach in the offseason…work on his first step quickness

    Im sure theres more that can be done but you get my point.

    Hes a part of this team and hes making $6m You’ve got to do everything in your power to make him worth at least $4m for the next two years. It is critical to our succes as a team.

  96. VOR says:

    I know it is common practice to blame the coaches and the GM for the Oilers meltdown this year. But I am not sure it is that simple.

    At a coaching conference some years ago Scotty Bowman told a group of young coaches – “Sometimes it’s the players. If they won’t give you everything they’ve got to give you don’t have a hope. All the strategy, all the support, and even all the manipulation in the world won’t make any difference. If the players aren’t all in you’re screwed.”

    Then he went on and told a story about a kid who perfectly fits something LT is talking about a lot these days. The kid, let’s call him Mark, was that little glimmer of light in a lost season. Mark got a chance, earned more at bats, and earned a job in the NHL. For a small kid from the bowels of the draft that is more than covering the bet.

    To set the stage. The team that gave Mark a chance was really bad for a very long time. Eventually they secured a generational player in the draft. It took some time to get the other pieces in place but finally the generational player lead them into the playoffs for the first time in years. By the way, that year Mark got into 15 games, played 5 or 6 minutes a night and did nothing.

    The team enters the next year favoured to win the Stanley Cup. Even all these years later it isn’t possible to say what went wrong. It sure wasn’t the offence. They were a juggernaut. Defensively they sucked. But it was the entire team. It was like they were trying to see how many goals they could give up and still win.

    The GM, let’s call him Craig, took over coaching near the mid point of the season. He wanted to see first hand what the problem was. He concluded very quickly it was that their give a shit level was in the negative numbers. Craig looked for a solution.

    He didn’t have to look far. Mark had begun the season in the minors but was tearing it up so Craig called him up. But the then coach Slepysheved him. He rarely played and when he did Mark got a few minutes a game with dregs. Craig promoted him and Mark turned out to be a great two way outplayer. He ended that lost season as the 2RW and a bonafide NHLer.

    In the offseason Craig replaced himself with a new coach, let’s call him Bob. He also filled a bunch of holes with veteran soon to be Hall of Famers. They were deep. They were balanced. They were led by one of the greatest players the game has ever seen.

    Scotty paused here and said, “Has any team ever had that amount of bad luck?”

    Not only did they lose their generational player and not know when or if he’d be back, they lost their top three scorers and most of their support cast. I remember reading they played 40 players that year.

    At the end of that year, in the midst of that wild locker room celebration Bob said, “People think I’m a genius. That Craig’s a genius. But it’s the players. It all starts with Mark. How many players have ever taken a gutted team put them on their shoulders and carried them to the Stanley Cup? Craig didn’t draft him thinking one day he will lead us to a Cup. I didn’t tell him go lead us to the Cup. That was inside him somewhere.”

    Bob went on to heap equally huge praise on the generational player who literally came back from death’s door to join Mark. Together they had something like 80 points in the playoffs. It was incredible.

    Scotty, who of course inherited Mark from Bob wrapped up the story by saying:

    “Do I think Mark plays like that for any other coach. Not a chance. Do I think Bob coached Mark to play like that? Not for a second. There is a chemistry that develops between certain players and certain coaches and when it happens anything is possible. But it always starts with the players. They reach out. They build bonds that become bridges. They elevate when it matters.

    “The only advice I can give you as coaches is this: every minute of ice you can spare you give that to a player who cares. If you get really lucky you’ll find your Mark. I’d tell you to try to be Bob Johnson but just like Mark Rechhi had that season inside him Bob Johnson had it inside him to inspire that season. Be yourself all the time, every time and hope players will respond, will reach out, will play their best for you. But always remember it isn’t you. It is them. They have to decide to be great.”

    My question for Oilers fans would be which players decided to be great this year. But I wouldn’t ask it until the end of the season. For all we know Strome or Slepyshev or someone else is about to become that small glimmer of hope. Our Mark Rechhi. The kid who gave a shit when no one else did.

  97. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Jordan,

    Maroon for a darft pick and a middling prospect is fine. I like that Dudek is a RHC, and has a1.5 PPG average in the NCAA. That’s reasonable for a prospect at that level to maybe translate to the AHL or NHL level. The 3rd is another bullet. I like multiple bullets.

    Dudek is scoring at 0.5 pts/gm, not 1.5.

    He’s 22 and this is his 3rd year in the NCAA.

    He’s not really a prospect as those boxcars don’t get signed often.

    Also,

    Peter had a decent deadline.Not great, not bad.

    A little thin on the Maroon return, but Maroon hurt that himself.

    Would be a mistake to re-sign him imo.

    Cammalleri would probably help a team more than Maroon or Letestu this spring i’d think.

    +1 Cammalleri is going to help this team this spring IMO. We need a strong finish. A strong finish is more important to me personally than the overall return for Maroon.

    Depending on the Summer moves…..it is going to be interesting to watch Maroons future. As a general statement I dont want him back either….but I think this reset on his value means… that he may have value for us next year on an extreme value contract. I hope not because not bringing him back probably means we found better options.

  98. Gayfish says:

    I was braced for disappointment, and I’m still disappointed. Maroon arguably fetched more when he was struggling with Anaheim.

  99. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    VOR,

    – Thanks for this. Here’s what our “sh$t” GM said this afternoon: “Our players, just in general, weren’t as good as they were before.”

    – A pithy throw -away line, quoted for truth

  100. Gayfish says:

    Wilde: How does being good in small deals, and franchise-alteringly bad in large deals, wash out to average?

    I would argue he isn’t good at small deals either. Just less noticible consequences. Obviously Maroon and Talbot being exceptions.

  101. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Andy Dufresne: Managing Lucic will be critical moving forward. Coach needs to max his attributes and minimize his weaknesses.

    As a starting point
    Play him on second or third line depending on how he’s going. (with Drai and JP or Strome andSlepy/Khaira)
    Play him only 16 minutes a night (or less).
    Give a night off every now and then…not as punishment….but as a rest (against the smaller teams)
    Play him on 2nd unit PP. Tell him to go to the front of the net and stay there
    Insist he come into camp 15 lbs lighter
    Get him a skating coach in the offseason…work on his first step quickness

    Im sure theres more that can be done but you get my point.

    Hes a part of this team and hes making $6mYou’ve got to do everything in your power to make him worth at least $4m for the next two years. It is critical to our succes as a team.

    He did train with a guy who taught him how to run faster.

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    – Really you have to hope that Klef Larsson and Sek can get back/improve.

    and, most importantly, Talbot.

    Thanfully:

    1) Talbot has looked like the 2016/17 Talbot in the last 5 games

    2) Larsson is looking like 2016/17 Larsson since returning to the lineup (I think the month off got him healthy – his back was hurting him)

    3) Klef, while not near 2016/17 levels, has been much better of late, generally – still too much inconsistency and questionable decisions/reads.

    Next season, re-unite Larsson and Klef (I think Larsson’s game really helps Klef’s) and let an even further developed Darnell Nurse carry Russell on his right side (like Sekera did last year).

    Yes, I still HATE Russell at 2RD but am accepting that our manager doesn’t see an issue with it and will focus on the top 6 winger position – a poor path but it is what it is.

  103. Lowetide says:

    Gayfish:
    I was braced for disappointment, and I’m still disappointed. Maroon arguably fetched more when he was struggling with Anaheim.

    I think the Aberg bet is solid and imo the trading of Davidson makes sense based on roster makeup and the return acceptable. Today’s trade PC fell short in my opinion but do believe the market dictates return.

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    For The Athletic: Difficult to be encouraged by the Patrick Maroon return

    https://theathletic.com/254564/2018/02/26/lowetide-difficult-to-be-encouraged-by-oilers-return-for-patrick-maroon/

    Chia was pretty clear that he isn’t planning on making the pick with either of the acquired 3rd rounders and plans to flip them for bodies.

    The return seems underwhelming but, looking at the return for the other scoring forward pending UFAs and it’s what the market warranted.

    Nash got a great return and Stastny a decent one but they are the only ones. Middling returns for Vanek, Kane, etc.

    Not to mention, the last month has been the worst hockey of Maroon’s Oiler career (while being scouted) and he’s missed the last few games with an injury.

    Underwhelming return but those spewing vitriol are either not looking at the market and circumstances or are propagating a narrative.

  105. Gayfish says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Perhaps true.

    Does anyone think PC could get a first and a prospect for Strome? He and Hartman are a year apart in age, same scoring and Strome is a right shot centre which has more value than a winger every day.

    I’m not sure he could get that for Draisaitl.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: In wonder if there was a market for Cammi. He should have gone as well. The need for assets outweighs the finish this season greatly. He could always be signed in the summer, although I would aim higher.

    He mentioned that he wasn’t shopping Cammy and didn’t get any inquiries on him.

    Kind of surprising given his production the last dozen games.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    Material pocession: I’d rather keep Strome.He is/has reinvented his game and should be signable at good value.

    Strome has been a plus player generally since the turn of the calendar and is becoming an important secondary piece to our lineup.

    His value as a 3C and PK option is increasing – he’s looking like he’ll be worth his required qualifying offer although I would rather sign him for less AAV with some term.

    His ability to play 3C leads to other options in our top 6 (i.e. Nuge (or Drai) on the wing which fills a spot internally until we have some prospect graduation).

    Do not commit term to the top 6 wing – be patient with our prospects and allow them to fill the top 6 in time on extreme value contracts – there is risk but its the way towards Stanley!

  108. littleenglish says:

    OriginalPouzar: What trades are you talking about?The only pending UFA that got a good to great return was Nash – all the other pending UFA scoring forwards got shitty returns – Vanek, Kane, etc.

    No trade consummated for a player with term is a comparable to the rental maket.

    You’re forgetting: 35 year old pending ufa plekanec for a material prospect and 2nd, 1st for Stastny, Grabner for a 2nd.

    Also don’t see how players traded with term is not comparable to the rental market since trades made around the deadline set the tone – so it should have at least some influence.

    Anyway , I should say I’m okay with the deal – at least we got something.

  109. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: He mentioned that he wasn’t shopping Cammy and didn’t get any inquiries on him.

    Kind of surprising given his production the last dozen games.

    I think he did the calculus and determined that his value on the market was less than his value to the team. No need to shop him. This team really needs a strong finish. I personally value a strong finish above a better return for Maroon. If you gave me a choice…Team goes .650 the rest of the way OR Maroon fetches a late second rounder……I take the strong finish please.

  110. who says:

    Andy Dufresne: Managing Lucic will be critical moving forward. Coach needs to max his attributes and minimize his weaknesses.

    As a starting point
    Play him on second or third line depending on how he’s going. (with Drai and JP or Strome andSlepy/Khaira)
    Play him only 16 minutes a night (or less).
    Give a night off every now and then…not as punishment….but as a rest (against the smaller teams)
    Play him on 2nd unit PP. Tell him to go to the front of the net and stay there
    Insist he come into camp 15 lbs lighter
    Get him a skating coach in the offseason…work on his first step quickness

    Im sure theres more that can be done but you get my point.

    Hes a part of this team and hes making $6mYou’ve got to do everything in your power to make him worth at least $4m for the next two years. It is critical to our succes as a team.

    I agree.
    The Oilers really need to rethink their deployment of this player. I would staple him to Stromes left wing on the third line for the rest of the year. We simply can’t have him dragging down the few pure offensive players we have.
    I know we are very thin in the top 6 after Mcdavid, Draisatll and Nuge. But wouldn’t you rather see Slepeshev in the top 6 instead of Lucic. Or Kharia. Or JP. Or Kassian.
    Now maybe none of these players will put up better numbers than Lucic. But at least they can keep up. At least they can execute a give and go. At least they won’t turn over 80 percent of the pucks they touch.
    I think you get my drift. Just put him on the third line until he proves he can compliment our pure skill players.

  111. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: Strome has been a plus player generally since the turn of the calendar and is becoming an important secondary piece to our lineup.

    His value as a 3C and PK option is increasing – he’s looking like he’ll be worth his required qualifying offer although I would rather sign him for less AAV with some term.

    His ability to play 3C leads to other options in our top 6 (i.e. Nuge (or Drai) on the wing which fills a spot internally until we have some prospect graduation).

    Do not commit term to the top 6 wing – be patient with our prospects and allow them to fill the top 6 in time on extreme value contracts – there is risk but its the way towards Stanley!

    I know these guys will have there ups and downs….but Im excited about the progress of Strome, Nurse, JP, Sleppy and Khaira combined with whatever the Summer brings (RHD) the progress of Yamo and a high pick in June (lottery move into the top 3 would be AMAZING)

  112. Material pocession says:

    Wilde: How does being good in small deals, and franchise-alteringly bad in large deals, wash out to average?

    The number of good or reasonable deals have outweighed the number of bad or unreasonable deals. Kind of like most GM’s. Average.

  113. JD_Wry says:

    Pouzar: WTF does possession have to do with shitty Special Teams?
    Come on man.

    The PP and PK are possessed!

  114. HT Joe says:

    So if Maroon got us a 3rd round pick and a prospect, could Chia have gotten a 7th for trading Lucic today (without retaining salary)?

    I don’t remember supporting this assertion in the past, but I’m now actually curious.

  115. Andy Dufresne says:

    who: I agree.
    The Oilers really need to rethink their deployment of this player. I would staple him to Stromes left wing on the third line for the rest of the year. We simply can’t have him dragging down the few pure offensive players we have.
    I know we are very thin in the top 6 after Mcdavid, Draisatll and Nuge. But wouldn’t you rather see Slepeshev in the top 6 instead of Lucic. Or Kharia. Or JP.Or Kassian.
    Now maybe none of these players will put up better numbers than Lucic. But at least they can keep up. At least they can execute a give and go. At least they won’t turn over 80 percent of the pucks they touch.
    I think you get my drift. Just put him on the third line until he proves he can compliment our pure skill players.

    I get your point. But we’ve got to do more than just play him on the third line until he proves himself. Weve got to be very proactive to help him be better. Theres no way we can bury this guy and be successful. If we can turn him into a middle six winger (worth say $4m) then we max his depleted value. Hence the list.

    But yes, Play some of the youngsters ahead of him. But we cannot just give up on him though either. Id put as much time and energy managing Lucic and putting him in a position to be of value as I possibly can. Im fairly confident thats what will happen. Hes a proud guy. I hope he can embrace the lesser role.

  116. Material pocession says:

    OriginalPouzar: Strome has been a plus player generally since the turn of the calendar and is becoming an important secondary piece to our lineup.

    His value as a 3C and PK option is increasing – he’s looking like he’ll be worth his required qualifying offer although I would rather sign him for less AAV with some term.

    His ability to play 3C leads to other options in our top 6 (i.e. Nuge (or Drai) on the wing which fills a spot internally until we have some prospect graduation).

    Do not commit term to the top 6 wing – be patient with our prospects and allow them to fill the top 6 in time on extreme value contracts – there is risk but its the way towards Stanley!

    Yep, I agree with all of this. Strome has also shown some ability on the PP1 in Marc LePetstu’s old spot. I’d offer a 3 year deal. I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that they are going to trade Nuge; one of RNH or Drai on the wing makes perfect sense. One free agent winger on a one year deal and a hockey trade to balance the defense — we’re in business.

  117. Wilde says:

    Material pocession: The number of good or reasonable deals have outweighed the number of bad or unreasonable deals.Kind of like most GM’s.Average.

    How is the raw number of deals won or lost a proper evaluation of the management of a diverse set of assets?

    By that logic, you can outweigh trading McDavid for Bieksa by then winning two smaller trades.

  118. Scungilli Slushy says:

    To me the line is clear, Chiarelli is not good at trading.

    That doesn’t mean he isn’t valuable to an org in some capacity. I haven’t had a definite opinion about him until today, but am now convinced a change is needed.

    McLellan is less certain given player change and a bleeding of talent. How many coaches can survive that? Even the mighty Queneville is at risk after repeated years of trades and lessening of depth.

  119. Gayfish says:

    To be fair to Chia, it is probably difficult to make a good trade when everybody knows they can hose you.

  120. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Gayfish:
    To be fair to Chia, it is probably difficult to make a good trade when everybody knows they can hose you.

    No doubt

  121. jtblack says:

    Material pocession: Yep, I agree with all of this.Strome has also shown some ability on the PP1 in Marc LePetstu’s old spot.I’d offer a 3 year deal.I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that they are going to trade Nuge; one of RNH or Drai on the wing makes perfect sense.One free agent winger on a one year deal and a hockey trade to balance the defense — we’re in business.

    This is what Most ppl wanted last yr also●●● The Fans can see it, but will PC do anything about it? After this years dissapointment, I believe he will

  122. Old Timer says:

    The entire trade deadline experience was a disappointment this year. It seems that the MSM always over hype the day.

    When you combine that with Chiarelli and his pet failure “Lucy” Lucic, the power forward that can’t score, can’t pass, can’t skate and can’t defend you have a colossal disaster shaping up again next year.

    Our only chance is to win the draft lottery and win the right to draft Dahlin 1 OV. Anything short of this will result in year two of the second “Decade of Darkness”.

  123. Alpine says:

    I’m fine with the 3rd round pick for Maroon. No complaints there. Just seemed weird to have a prospect included who’s barely a prospect and will take up a contract spot if they give him an ELC.

    The only logic to getting Dudek’s right is that I’d wager they wanna wait on him and see if he spikes in his senior year before they offer him a contract, especially if he can gel with one of Rasanen or McPhee. They likely decided on him due who his teammates are and not his numbers and your mileage may vary on that strategy.

    Aberg’s an interesting pickup. We’ve done okay with picking up depth forwards from NSH before. Jones scored some goals for us, and Hendricks was a good 4th liner. Aberg himself seems to have more talent than Hendricks and more of a clue defensively than Jones, so he might be a nice piece for us.

    Kind of weird for people to get mad at Chia over this deadline, and I have no idea what people expected us to get for Maroon or Letestu beyond what we got. I think he’s deserving of criticism for what’s occurred prior to this deadline but I’m not seeing what a smarter GM could have done differently for a team this far out of the playoffs.

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    littleenglish: You’re forgetting: 35 year old pending ufa plekanec for a material prospect and 2nd, 1st for Stastny, Grabner for a 2nd.

    Also don’t see how players traded with term is not comparable to the rental market since trades made around the deadline set the tone – so it should have at least some influence.

    Anyway , I should say I’mokay with the deal – at least we got something.

    You are right, I did forget about Plakanec – Bergevin did a good job on that deal.

    Grabner and Stasny are/were more valuable pieces than Maroon – yes, Grabner and Maroon have similar point totals but Grabner has materially more goals, he’s a burner and a plus penalty killer – him getting a 2nd while Maroon getting a 3rd makes perfect sense to me.

    Age is meaningless when talking about value of a pending UFA – the acquisition is for a few months of use.

    Players with term and players on expiring contracts are in different trade markets. I’m not sure how to “prove it”, it just kind of is what it is. Maroon as a pending UFA received a 3rd round pick and a C prospect. If Maroon was signed for 2-3 more years at a reasonable cap hit his return would be MUCH greater than that.

    The Hartman return, in my opinion, is meaningless in the context of a Maroon return – totally different markets. A pending UFA Hartman doesn’t come close to gathering the return that he did.

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne: I know these guys will have there ups and downs….but Im excited about the progress of Strome, Nurse, JP, Sleppy and Khaira combined with whatever the Summer brings (RHD) the progress of Yamo and a high pick in June (lottery move into the top 3 would be AMAZING)

    Yes – I agree and will continue to focus on the positives and look forward to exciting things such as the lottery (unfortunately) and the draft (unfortunately). Its disappointing that I’m looking forward to the draft and not the playoffs but it is what it is and I don’t see the need to post Barzal stats or rehash the Larsson trade. I’d much prefer potential moves and paths forward.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Material pocession: Yep, I agree with all of this.Strome has also shown some ability on the PP1 in Marc LePetstu’s old spot.I’d offer a 3 year deal.I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that they are going to trade Nuge; one of RNH or Drai on the wing makes perfect sense.One free agent winger on a one year deal and a hockey trade to balance the defense — we’re in business.

    That is the exact path forward that I’d like to take.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    Alpine:
    I’m fine with the 3rd round pick for Maroon. No complaints there. Just seemed weird to have a prospect included who’s barely a prospect and will take up a contract spot if they give him an ELC.

    The only logic to getting Dudek’s right is that I’d wager they wanna wait on him and see if he spikes in his senior year before they offer him a contract, especially if he can gel with one of Rasanen or McPhee. They likely decided on him due who his teammates are and not his numbers and your mileage may vary on that strategy.

    Aberg’s an interesting pickup. We’ve done okay with picking up depth forwards from NSH before. Jones scored some goals for us, and Hendricks was a good 4th liner. Aberg himself seems to have more talent than Hendricks and more of a clue defensively than Jones, so he might be a nice piece for us.

    Kind of weird for people to get mad at Chia over this deadline, and I have no idea what people expected us to get for Maroon or Letestu beyond what we got. I think he’s deserving of criticism for what’s occurred prior to this deadline but I’m not seeing what a smarter GM could have done differently for a team this far out of the playoffs.

    I don’t imagine he will ever sign an NHL contract with the Oilers – if he does and plays for the Condors that the prospect has exceeded my expectation. I’ve got no problem with the throw-in – if he does sign a contract it likely means he’s spiked materially in his senior year.

  128. Rondo says:

    Peter Chiarelli got to be the most popular GM with other teams. He rarely disappoints.

    Have no idea why he has a job.

  129. jtblack says:

    Edm sits 26th in the League. Where they would be without Superman (McDavid) scares me.

    Heallthy Sekera
    Motivated Larsson
    Steady Talbot

    = 2019 Playoffs

  130. Wilde says:

    Jonathan Willis has good words.

  131. DBO says:

    Don’t love it or hate it. ,more meh deadline.

    Hope they move Nuge to wing and keep him. Don’t think we can upgrade him at LW in off season.

    Drai is a true line driver, so needs to at at C.

    Strome has shown flashes, but is definitely a decent 3 C. Especially if he kills penalties.

    Khaira is a good 4C. Can move up lines, speed, physical and kills penalties.

    That is great centre depth, and having Nuge play wing means you have in house fix if a centre gets injured. Fill up wings with youth and speed.

    Nuge. McDavid. Yamamoto
    .???. Draisatl. Puljujarvi
    Lucic. Strome. Slepeshev
    Cagguila/Aberg. Khaira. Kassian

    If one of Caggs or Aberg earn spot with Drai, or if Benson crushes camp then great. Otherwise a solid two way vet with decent wheels is needed. If money is right, Maroon isn’t horrible in that spot as a fall back.

    Man Lucic kills us cap wise.

  132. littleenglish says:

    OriginalPouzar: You are right, I did forget about Plakanec – Bergevin did a good job on that deal.

    Grabner and Stasny are/were more valuable pieces than Maroon – yes, Grabner and Maroon have similar point totals but Grabner has materially more goals, he’s a burner and a plus penalty killer – him getting a 2nd while Maroon getting a 3rd makes perfect sense to me.

    Age is meaningless when talking about value of a pending UFA – the acquisition is for a few months of use.

    Players with term and players on expiring contracts are in different trade markets.I’m not sure how to “prove it”, it just kind of is what it is. Maroon as a pending UFA received a 3rd round pick and a C prospect.If Maroon was signed for 2-3 more years at a reasonable cap hit his return would be MUCH greater than that.

    The Hartman return, in my opinion, is meaningless in the context of a Maroon return – totally different markets.A pending UFA Hartman doesn’t come close to gathering the return that he did.

    I wasn’t talking about the relative value, I was talking about the absolute, intrinsic value of each player. So obviously a guy like Hartman and Tatar get more than a rental player, and team trading a better rental player than Maroon is going to get a better haul, but these players it seems fetched better or equal return relative to their own worth.

    But anyway I’m just going by what Shero is saying, that the value came down at the last minute. So, who knows, maybe Maroon could have got us a 2nd + like Grabner did even though he may be worth a bit less.

  133. OmJo says:

    JD_Wry: The PP and PK are possessed!

    By Casper the asshole ghost.

  134. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bag of Pucks: I think it’s an indictment of the fans to keep showing up to the games when the team is this brutal, but nothing seems to stop that.

    I blame this season primarily on MacLellan and the players, so no, I don’t see it as an indictment to not be jumping on the lynch Chiarelli wagon.

    Pete’s made some mistakes undoubtedly, but the team he gave MacLellan this season is not that materially different from the team that finished last season. Eberle for Strome and a third of the year without Sekera doesn’t explain going from being on the bubble of the Western Conference Final to being back in the lottery toilet again.

    There has to be more going on than some non-core roster changes to explain that level of downturn. Mediocre goaltending. Poor defensive structure. Horrendous special teams. Nearly every core player outside the 3Cs have regressed significantly.

    You know what tends to separate the great coaches from the good ones? Consistency. Flip flopping between poor to good to poor is an indication of mediocre coaching imo. The deployment has been so questionable game in and game out, it’s really surprising to me how much of this fanbase is overlooking MacLellan in favour of wanting his boss fired.

    And yes, I appreciate people are going to likely bring up the departures of Pitlick and Pouliot too. But we’ve been over this. It was a big gamble of Dal to give Pitlick that deal given the injury history and MacLellan refused to play Benoit. So if anyone forced Chia’s hand on Pouliot, it’s the HC who decided he had better options.

    I’m really getting anxious to jump on the get Tmac out of town train. Those feelings I get looking at Getzlaf are starting to bubble up when I look at Tmac. That ain’t good.

  135. godot10 says:

    Side:
    I recall when McLellan was talked about being hired as the head coach for the Oilers, there were a lot of people who were very happy with this decision.At worst, there seemed to be a handful of people who said they would prefer Nelson. Some people even said they would prefer McLellan over Babcock.

    Then McLellan’s first year, I don’t recall a lot of anger towards Todd. People knew it was a bad team and losing McDavid + other injuries screwed the team over.

    Then last year, hardly a lot of anger towards Todd.Seemed to be a couple of grumblings about how he was utilizing players too much or relying too much on McDavid. The worst I recall was people saying “Todd can’t win the big playoff games even if he has the horses to do it”

    Now this year…there’s a lot of

    “I knew Todd was bad years ago. I knew about these issues year ago, I told you Todd is a bad coach”

    Bullllllshiiiit.

    #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach is over two years old. Some of us have been unimpressed since the beginning, through the middle, and till right now

    Side: Godot of past also preferred McLellan over Babcock, citing McLellan is mediocre and merely replacement level and that even mediocre coaches can win cups.

    Godot of present is a… journey.

    I wanted Nelson:

    GODOT10 says:
    May 4, 2015 at 7:08 pm
    I hope Nelson gets the job.,

    On McLellan vs. Babcock, I wrote this (but it was because I was more familiar with Babcock, and had not actually watched a McLellan team closely). Moral of the story…better the devil you know. McLellan is NOT who I thought he was relative to Babcock.

    GODOT10 says:
    May 8, 2015 at 6:49 pm
    As long as Todd Nelson is an NHL head coach somewhere next year AND the Oilers coach is one of Nelson, McLellan, or Babcock, I will be content.

    GODOT10 says:
    May 10, 2015 at 10:45 am

    The system that Canada used at the Olympics is NOT a good system for the NHL or the Oilers.

    Canada’s goal was zero mistake hockey because we had the best players and the best goaltender, and selected all the best players with minimal chaos in their game.

    It was Hitchcockian on steriods.

    All NHL teams have flawed rosters and mistakes are going to happen. You have to coach like Quenneville, not like HItchcock. You have to allow your talent to play, and realize mistakes are going to happen, but be flexible with your lineup to get the right matchups, to tilt the balance of mistakes and allow your best players to win the game.

    So if not Nelson, I tend to lean McLellan over Babcock, because of the OIlers’ makeup, one needs a coach willing to let the horses run, and make adjustments.

  136. eidy says:

    Did anyone else notice that Chia in his presser referred to the pick from NJD being a 3rd round pick in this years draft. Not exactly inspiring for him to get the wrong draft year. May point to the haste at which the deal came together. It also wouldn’t surprise me that this is one of the only players names they recognized due to the Boston College connection.

    Given the high expectations of the year, any evaluation of the gm should begin with the fact that he composed a team that required him to be a seller at the deadline- with McJesus on an entry level deal. I like Aberg as a bet for Letestu and believe that he at least will be a better option than Iiro the hero at the back end of the roster. The Davidson trade was fine given the leftorium. The Maroon trade less so.

    My hopes from now to the end of the year:
    1. Play McDavid and Drai on different lines- it is about finding wingers for next year not wins. play the wingers with skill
    2. Play 98 in a feature role. No more 7. minute nights. There is no reason for it
    3. Continue to use Strome in 3rd line centre role
    4. Play 16 more than 7 minutes a night.
    5. Play 93 with 98- Chia has said he has played at wing, but not to any significant degree
    6. Bring back the swede, swede music of Larson and Klefbom

    Lines when fully healthy(c-lw-rw)
    97-93-98
    29-13-58
    18-27-46(Aberg)
    16-91-44

    77-6
    25-4
    2-83

    Having 98, 58 take a step forward, finding out if 93 fits with 97, and seeing what Aberg is for the last 20 games.

    Finally, the talk over the 10 years in lots of circles is the drafting when I suggest it is more about the development of said assets. Routinely the Oilers have taken within the range of the consensus and not gone walk about on draft day, but the inability of them to take these lottery seeds and nurture them to their full capabilities is damning It is interesting, and something I had thought about writing on, was that a number of our draft picks traded elsewhere have developed into useful NHL pieces. Is it random chance that Reider and Nash (to a lesser degree Gustafson) have become useful NHL players through other organizations. Would you count on the Oilers getting the same level of development as the other teams did. The oilers owe it to the Safin’s, Benson’s and Maximov’s because it was not given to the Platzers, Roy’s and Chase’s. I have watched the majority of AHL games over the last 5 years and watching the vets get the prime power play time and the first and second line duty is infuriating. I hope there is a change in Bakersfield and I would hope that Manny Viveiros is the new man in charge.

  137. godot10 says:

    VOR:
    I know it is common practice to blame the coaches and the GM for the Oilers meltdown this year. But I am not sure it is that simple.

    At a coaching conference some years ago Scotty Bowman told a group of young coaches – “Sometimes it’s the players. If they won’t give you everything they’ve got to give you don’t have a hope. All the strategy, all the support, and even all the manipulation in the world won’t make any difference. If the players aren’t all in you’re screwed.”
    .

    But sometimes it is the COACH’s fault that the players don’t give a damn.

    From Willis’ series on Todd Nelson:

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/edmonton-oilers-farm-bench-boss-todd-nelson-on-his-coaching-philosophy

    “There are two parts of coaching: arts and science,” he said, crediting Oilers’ coaching guru Billy Moores with the line. “The science is the X’s and O’s, the things that you can see, the things that you want to do. The arts is ‘how do we get [our players] to do that.’”

    “It’s fine to say it; you can be a dictator, to say ‘do this,’” he went on. “You do it, but I call it ‘discretionary effort.’ Are you willing to go through the wall, or are you just doing it to do it? That’s where the arts come in, that’s where a coach has to get everybody on board in there for a common goal.”

    How does a coach get his players to be willing to put in more than the minimum?

    “You have to develop trust, that’s first and foremost,” Nelson said. “How you develop trust is that as a coach you give yourself up a bit. You give yourself to the team. If you’re asking them to give themselves up for each other, I’m the leader, I better start this, to show them that I care. That’s the arts part, and I think the arts outweigh the technical part, I really do.”

    I’d always thought of a player’s effort level and willingness to execute a system as something that fell almost solely on the shoulders of the individual skater. After relating that to Nelson, I told him that it sounded like he was saying that this too was something the coach had to be accountable for.

  138. Harpers Hair says:

    godot10: #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach is over two years old.Some of us have been unimpressed since the beginning, through the middle, and till right now

    I wanted Nelson:

    GODOT10 says:
    May 4, 2015 at 7:08 pm
    I hope Nelson gets the job.,

    On McLellan vs. Babcock, I wrote this (but it was because I was more familiar with Babcock, and had not actually watched a McLellan team closely).Moral of the story…better the devil you know.McLellan is NOT who I thought he was relative to Babcock.

    GODOT10 says:
    May 8, 2015 at 6:49 pm
    As long as Todd Nelson is an NHL head coach somewhere next year AND the Oilers coach is one of Nelson, McLellan, or Babcock, I will be content.

    GODOT10 says:
    May 10, 2015 at 10:45 am

    The system that Canada used at the Olympics is NOT a good system for the NHL or the Oilers.

    Canada’s goal was zero mistake hockey because we had the best players and the best goaltender, and selected all the best players with minimal chaos in their game.

    It was Hitchcockian on steriods.

    All NHL teams have flawed rosters and mistakes are going to happen. You have to coach like Quenneville, not like HItchcock. You have to allow your talent to play, and realize mistakes are going to happen, but be flexible with your lineup to get the right matchups, to tilt the balance of mistakes and allow your best players to win the game.

    So if not Nelson, I tend to lean McLellan over Babcock, because of the OIlers’ makeup, one needs a coach willing to let the horses run, and make adjustments.

    godot10: #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach is over two years old.Some of us have been unimpressed since the beginning, through the middle, and till right now

    I wanted Nelson:

    GODOT10 says:
    May 4, 2015 at 7:08 pm
    I hope Nelson gets the job.,

    On McLellan vs. Babcock, I wrote this (but it was because I was more familiar with Babcock, and had not actually watched a McLellan team closely).Moral of the story…better the devil you know.McLellan is NOT who I thought he was relative to Babcock.

    GODOT10 says:
    May 8, 2015 at 6:49 pm
    As long as Todd Nelson is an NHL head coach somewhere next year AND the Oilers coach is one of Nelson, McLellan, or Babcock, I will be content.

    GODOT10 says:
    May 10, 2015 at 10:45 am

    The system that Canada used at the Olympics is NOT a good system for the NHL or the Oilers.

    Canada’s goal was zero mistake hockey because we had the best players and the best goaltender, and selected all the best players with minimal chaos in their game.

    It was Hitchcockian on steriods.

    All NHL teams have flawed rosters and mistakes are going to happen. You have to coach like Quenneville, not like HItchcock. You have to allow your talent to play, and realize mistakes are going to happen, but be flexible with your lineup to get the right matchups, to tilt the balance of mistakes and allow your best players to win the game.

    So if not Nelson, I tend to lean McLellan over Babcock, because of the OIlers’ makeup, one needs a coach willing to let the horses run, and make adjustments.

    Anyone who is paying attention would look at McLellan’s record with the Sharks. He inherited a team from Ron Wilson and had a dead cat bounce in his first season and then went into a long decline. He did not move the needle at at all. Nothing to see here.

  139. Bling says:

    Nice piece on the Athletic, LT.

    I guess I just don’t value Maroon very much.

    He hasn’t been very good for the past little while, and it’s difficult to envision him in the top six of any real contender.

    His numbers away from McDavid are putrid, and a decent amount of that time is with Drai.

    I think he’s probably in the decline phase of his career.

    I agree that the prospect won’t amount to much, but a third rounder is just fine.

  140. Richard S.S. says:

    Chiarelli did well. Checking other sources most GMs are really getting trashed. The biggest problem with the people on this site is too many years of utter futility. That usually generates a lack of trust in anything. Nothing good is good enough. Even being great isn’t acceptable. I left the Oilers when Wayne was traded. I came back when Bob Nicholson was hired, because he always the right thing. I think I can be objective, can anyone else?

  141. Wilde says:

    Bling:

    His numbers away from McDavid are putrid, and a decent amount of that time is with Drai.

    Can you elaborate on this? He shows fine on the metrics i value w/o McDavid

    Richard S.S.:
    I think I can be objective, can anyone else?

    No, you won’t find a measured take in all of this comment section.

    No one here strives to frame the issue properly or issue a balanced perspective.

    Nope, can’t think of anyone who would do that.

  142. deardylan says:

    Sniper Lestestu Doesn’t Waste Any Time in Helping His New/Old Team…

    https://www.nhl.com/video/letestu-pots-one-from-in-front/t-293980640/c-58214503

    Although don’t you think that goal celebration at 0.21 should be banned?

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ty Rattie was the lone paper transaction today – sent down and recalled to allow him to be eligible to go the Condors after the NHL season is done.

    They did not do this with Jesse so the plan must be for him to go to the World Championships.

  144. OmJo says:

    Side:
    I recall when McLellan was talked about being hired as the head coach for the Oilers, there were a lot of people who were very happy with this decision.At worst, there seemed to be a handful of people who said they would prefer Nelson. Some people even said they would prefer McLellan over Babcock.

    Then McLellan’s first year, I don’t recall a lot of anger towards Todd. People knew it was a bad team and losing McDavid + other injuries screwed the team over.

    Then last year, hardly a lot of anger towards Todd.Seemed to be a couple of grumblings about how he was utilizing players too much or relying too much on McDavid. The worst I recall was people saying “Todd can’t win the big playoff games even if he has the horses to do it”

    Now this year…there’s a lot of

    “I knew Todd was bad years ago. I knew about these issues year ago, I told you Todd is a bad coach”

    Bullllllshiiiit.

    I was one of the people who made the mistake of valuing McLellan over Babcock after the IIHF tournament where he coached Hall and Eberle.

    But I also wanted Nelson over him still. Yes I even prefered him to Babcock. He was a homegrown coach and impressed so many in his first NHL stint.

    First season, injuries were the big issue. But McLellan began to lose me with his arrogance with regards to Pouliot and Yakupov, which would fully manifest itself in year two. His blatant favouritism in year two, and his constantly playing Draisaitl with McDavid at the expense of other lines, was frustrating. More frustrating was his being outcoached most games, and his refusal to do simple things like execute last change irregardless of how the game is going. Remember time outs? Yeah, me neither.

    Many of us pointed out his flaws at the end of year one and throughout year two. Godot has been the most consistent critic of McLellan here by far.

    That said, I don’t see a lot of “I knew Todd was bad years ago” here. I see people coming to realization he might not be as good as expected. But few – if any – are pretending as if they opposed the hiring from day one when they didn’t.

  145. OmJo says:

    Richard S.S.: The biggest problem with the people on this site is too many years of utter futility.

    How is this a people problem?

    Richard S.S.: Nothing good is good enough. Even being great isn’t acceptable.

    That’s a silly thing to say.

  146. OmJo says:

    godot10: All NHL teams have flawed rosters and mistakes are going to happen. You have to coach like Quenneville, not like HItchcock. You have to allow your talent to play, and realize mistakes are going to happen, but be flexible with your lineup to get the right matchups, to tilt the balance of mistakes and allow your best players to win the game.

    So if not Nelson, I tend to lean McLellan over Babcock, because of the OIlers’ makeup, one needs a coach willing to let the horses run, and make adjustments.

    TMac fooled everybody.

  147. Bling says:

    Wilde: Can you elaborate on this? He shows fine on the metrics i value w/o McDavid

    No, you won’t find a measured take in all of this comment section.

    No one here strives to frame the issue properly or issue a balanced perspective.

    Nope, can’t think of anyone who would do that.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/966088078262648832

    Pat Maroon this year, away from McDavid and Letestu: 0.82 EV points/60.

    Like I said, that would include a decent amount of time with Drai. Not very good at all.

    Hopefully Todd starts giving the younger forwards more minutes.

  148. Harpers Hair says:

    OmJo: I was one of the people who made the mistake of valuing McLellan over Babcock after the IIHF tournament where he coached Hall and Eberle.

    But I also wanted Nelson over him still. Yes I even prefered him to Babcock. He was a homegrown coach and impressed so many in his first NHL stint.

    First season, injuries were the big issue. But McLellan began to lose me with his arrogance with regards to Pouliot and Yakupov, which would fully manifest itself in year two.His blatant favouritism in year two, and his constantly playing Draisaitl with McDavid at the expense of other lines, was frustrating. More frustrating was his being outcoached most games, and his refusal to do simple things like execute last change irregardless of how the game is going. Remember time outs? Yeah, me neither.

    Many of us pointed out his flaws at the end of year one and throughout year two. Godot has been the most consistent critic of McLellan here by far.

    That said, I don’t see a lot of “I knew Todd was bad years ago” here. I see people coming to realization he might not be as good as expected. But few – if any – are pretending as if they opposed the hiring from day one when they didn’t.

    Called it on day one.

  149. Bling says:

    Lots of negative talk here, but the Oil are not so far off.

    Getting rid of declining players, in Maroon and Letestu, is a good first step. Hopefully Drake is shown the door in the summer.

    Adding positives is the same as subtracting negatives.

  150. OmJo says:

    Bling: https://mobile.twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/966088078262648832

    Pat Maroon this year, away from McDavid and Letestu: 0.82 EV points/60.

    Like I said, that would include a decent amount of time with Drai. Not very good at all.

    Hopefully Todd starts giving the younger forwards more minutes.

    How much time exactly? Because 29 and 97 have spent significant amounts of time together. I don’t recall seeing Drai and Maroon play together (away from 97) too often this season in the games I’ve seen.

  151. Gayfish says:

    Bling:
    Lots of negative talk here, but the Oil are not so far off.

    Getting rid of declining players, in Maroon and Letestu, is a good first step. Hopefully Drake is shown the door in the summer.

    Adding positives is the same as subtracting negatives.

    I agree they are only missing a top 4 RHD, 1 top line winger (assuming drai/nuge is with connor), 2 top 6 wingers, two 3L wings (possibly 3C if not strome), and a backup possibly starting goaltender. Only have to jump 5 western conference teams, and win about 10 games more next year. That may sound like a daunting task, but keep in mind we have one of the deepest prospect pools in the league, with several guys who can play starting next year. Not to mention the mountain of cap space to bring in some outside help.

  152. Georges says:

    % of NHL forwards that played in the given season who were 1st round draft picks:

    Season, %

    00-01, 24 (first year of 30 teams)
    05-06, 32 (first year of 7 draft rounds)
    16-17, 35
    17-18, 37

    % of total TOI

    Season, %

    00-01, 34
    05-06, 40
    16-17, 47
    17-18, 47

    % of total Points

    Season, %

    00-01, 39
    05-06, 45
    16-17, 54
    17-18, 54

    Additionally:

    – 2nd rounders make up about 16% of NHL forwards and ice time and about 14-15% of points

    – later rounds and undrafted forwards account for:
    – 47% of players
    – 37% of ice time
    – 32% of points

    Here’s what I see:

    – 1st rounders have increased their share of NHL forward jobs; more than 1 in 3
    – 1st rounders are closing in on 50% of forward ice time
    – 1st rounders already score the majority of forward points; the move past 50% happened in CMD’s first season

  153. slopitch says:

    I think Chai did ok this deadline. I’d still fire him but not based on what he did today. Getting a return on Maroon is better then resigning him. We need cap space and I don’t think a Maroon contract will age well.

    Time to smash away at college free agents. Beg plead whatever. But a couple good value contracts would go a long way on this team. The next 20 games is all about Shlepy, JP, JK, Strome, Caggula. Some of these guys will fade but 1 of them is gonna crank it up the next 20 games. I’ll bet JK.

    97 and 29 can lead this team
    Bridge nurse
    Don’t trade Klefbom or Nuge
    Nail the lottery pick
    Nail the 2nd rounder (we are due 456!)
    Wait on Sekera’s value to restore
    Wait on Russell’s nmc to expire
    I’d resign Strome. I think. I’d like my 3C to be a PK ace.

  154. Bling says:

    Gayfish: I agree they are only missing a top 4 RHD, 1 top line winger (assuming drai/nuge is with connor), 2 top 6 wingers, two 3L wings (possibly 3C if not strome), and a backup possibly starting goaltender. Only have to jump 5 western conference teams, and win about 10 games more next year. That may sound like a daunting task, but keep in mind we have one of the deepest prospect pools in the league, with several guys who can play starting next year. Not to mention the mountain of cap space to bring in some outside help.

    Puljujarvi is already scoring at a second line rate at evens, without McDavid.

    KY will probably make the team next year as well. Slepyshev is looking like a legit top 9 winger.

    As for the RHD, the key is to find a Montour or Miller type; someone who is blocked at the NHL level. I’m not a fan of using a significant asset to addres that position.

  155. Melvis says:

    Aside from anything else in regard to this team, I’m blueskying that weird obscenity – the 126 minute penalty differential over 62 games. The Ducks are in the vicinity with 113, but no other team is even close. And the Ducks special teams, operating at, or near average, have managed to ward off most of this downside.

    The Oilers special teams oth, meh.

    Hee’s the thing. We’ve lost 13 games by a goal. If our special teams were merely average, we might have won, or at least gained Betman points in about 7 of those games. Which would still have us in playoff contention. That’s just back of matchbook figuring.

    So what’s the deal here? Are we mugging the rest of the league by that wide a margin? Hardly.

    Would I be having a chat with “officialdom” over the discrepancy.?

    Absolutely.

  156. gregsaint says:

    I’m surprised there’s such a spread in the number of minors taken between teams 90 seems like a lot:
    http://insider.espn.com/nhl/statistics/team/_/stat/minor-penalties

    Edmonton in middle of the pack with 198 taken minor penalties. the differential shows up in the drawn penalties, where we’re dead last:
    http://insider.espn.com/nhl/statistics/team/_/stat/special-teams

    So, is there a conspiracy? or is this another ‘team speed/quickness’ related issue?

  157. JimmyV1965 says:

    I just want to put it out there that I was one of those people who thought we could get a good prospect if we packaged Maroon with a pick. I was obviously wrong. Although I think the return was underwhelming, we clearly weren’t getting a good NHL prospect.

    Having said that, I was blown away with the Blues today. I think Armstrong sold his players down the river by selling at the deadline, rather than adding. Will be very interesting to see how the team performs down the stretch.

  158. Bank Shot says:

    gregsaint:

    So, is their a conspiracy? or is this another ‘team speed/quickness’ related issue?

    Well they were middle of the pack last year with essentially the same roster.

    Guys they got rid of outside of Eberle had negative penalty differentials. Hendricks. Pouliot. Gryba.

  159. Mr. D. says:

    Bank Shot: Well they were middle of the pack last year with essentially the same roster.

    Guys they got rid of outside of Eberle had negative penalty differentials. Hendricks. Pouliot. Gryba.

    Interesting these were some of our BEST penalty killers…Numbers aside.

  160. Melvis says:

    Try a contrast and compare with a few other teams. The Leafs are at 0. The Hawks are at -114 penalty minute differential. I’m not suggesting conspiracy. Bias, however, might be a significant factor here.

    A 226 minute difference between the Hawks and the Oilers is huge. eg. All things being equal, a 20% pp effectiveness is 44 goals over 62 games. Ours is at 14%. About 31 goals. So reconsider 13 games lost by a goal.

  161. anduril says:

    I don’t necessarily have a problem with playing Lucic with McDavid or Draisaitl. They are about the only two players that can compensate, at least a little, for Lucic’s mistakes. Put Lucic with lesser players and they will be caved the entire shift. Strome can’t carry Lucic; McDavid and Draisaitl can. The problem for me is that Lucic is continually awarded PP time and has played in some strange situations (3v3, last 30 secs of the game in a defensive zone start, etc.), and he’s been given too much ice time. Sure, put him on the ice with McDavid but give him shorter shifts and give JP and Slepyshev time on the PP. As others have suggested, sit him once in awhile.

    I still believe that Lucic could probably be dealt if we retain. If Montreal could be convinced to take Shea Weber, and Dion Phaneuf could be traded twice on his deal (to OTT and then to LAK), and Gaborik could be traded, and so on, then a good GM could find a buyer and even a decent return on Lucic. The issue is timing and recognizing when other GMs are vulnerable. Chia is just not very good at trades. His small acquisitions do not offset his other work. They only reflect the fact that once in awhile even a bad GM gets lucky because humans/players/chemistry have/has a certain unpredictability.

  162. Melvis says:

    I’m not into playing out some sort of victim mentality here, wearing a kick me sign on the back of an Oiler jersey. I’m suggesting we’re getting called on every little ticky tacky questionable to a far greater degree than any other team in the league. And it’s statistically noticeable.

    I haven’t looked into it too closely, or in detail, but I also suspect the penalty ratio in those lost games was about 2 to 1 against.

    We come out of the gate, heads tucked firmly up asses through the first 20 mins all too often, and we’re down one or more. Add in built in penalty differential even before the anthems are sung and we’re fucked from the get go.

    Just one of those small things gnawing at me on a Monday night when I should be in bed sleeping.

  163. VOR says:

    Georges:
    % of NHL forwards that played in the given season who were 1st round draft picks:

    Season, %

    00-01, 24 (first year of 30 teams)
    05-06, 32 (first year of 7 draft rounds)
    16-17, 35
    17-18, 37

    % of total TOI

    Season, %

    00-01, 34
    05-06, 40
    16-17, 47
    17-18, 47

    % of total Points

    Season, %

    00-01, 39
    05-06, 45
    16-17, 54
    17-18, 54

    Additionally:

    – 2nd rounders make up about 16% of NHL forwards and ice time and about 14-15% of points

    – later rounds and undrafted forwards account for:
    – 47% of players
    – 37% of ice time
    – 32% of points

    Here’s what I see:

    – 1st rounders have increased their share of NHL forward jobs; more than 1 in 3
    – 1st rounders are closing in on 50% of forward ice time
    – 1st rounders already score the majority of forward points; the move past 50% happened in CMD’s first season

    Could you give us actual numbers as well as percentages? I keep getting your 37% being far too low. Are you counting all first rounders that played this year or just those currently active?

    And how about how they are distributed? I get there being huge differences from team to team (3/17 to 10/15). Haven’t run statistical analysis but don’t see an obvious correlation between first rounder forwards and winning. Minimally Vegas and Tampa would be outliers.

  164. Material pocession says:

    Wilde: How is the raw number of deals won or lost a proper evaluation of the management of a diverse set of assets?

    By that logic, you can outweigh trading McDavid for Bieksa by then winning two smaller trades.

    I’ve never preferred using hyperbole to make a point. Hall for Larsson isn’t exactly McDavid for Bieksa (maybe you think so?). Chiarelli’s major gaffe was the Reinhart trade, which I wouldn’t consider catastrophic to the organization. And the minor deals (eg. Talbot, Maroon) do have value even if you choose to ignore that.

  165. Material pocession says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I just want to put it out there that I was one of those people who thought we could get a good prospect if we packaged Maroon with a pick. I was obviously wrong. Although I think the return was underwhelming, we clearly weren’t getting a good NHL prospect.

    Having said that, I was blown away with the Blues today. I think Armstrong sold his players down the river by selling at the deadline, rather than adding. Will be very interesting to see how the team performs down the stretch.

    He did the same thing last year with Shattenkirk and the team responded favorably. Hoping to catch lightning in a bottle twice?

  166. GMB3 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Strome has been a plus player generally since the turn of the calendar and is becoming an important secondary piece to our lineup.

    His value as a 3C and PK option is increasing – he’s looking like he’ll be worth his required qualifying offer although I would rather sign him for less AAV with some term.

    His ability to play 3C leads to other options in our top 6 (i.e. Nuge (or Drai) on the wing which fills a spot internally until we have some prospect graduation).

    Do not commit term to the top 6 wing – be patient with our prospects and allow them to fill the top 6 in time on extreme value contracts – there is risk but its the way towards Stanley!

    I think Strome may have made the realization that his calling card in the NHL won’t be his offence, and is making the change to becoming a two way responsible center (similar to Cogliano after his departure from Edmonton) He’s looked night and day better since the start of the season.

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson with an empty net goal in a 2-0 win.

  168. GMB3 says:

    Material pocession: I’ve never preferred using hyperbole to make a point.Hall for Larsson isn’t exactly McDavid for Bieksa (maybe you think so?).Chiarelli’s major gaffe was the Reinhart trade, which I wouldn’t consider catastrophic to the organization.And the minor deals (eg. Talbot, Maroon) do have value even if you choose to ignore that.

    I think the Reinhart deal was as close to catastrophic as it gets. Huge waste of assets, probably helped facilitate the Hall trade. If we hit on JP to the extent the flames have with MT, the damage wouldn’t be so bad, but the arrows on MT, Sergachev, look much better than JP’s at this point. We potentially missed on two impact players in back to back years in the first round. For a team that looks to compete moving forward, taking advantage of what could/should have been our last two selections with so much talent on the table, would have been huge in replacing in the Austins production.

    Wanna talk about death by a thousand cuts..

    And I know someone will try and jump up my ass saying it’s too early to know about JP, I am fully aware of that, just stating that players picked behind him are trending better.

  169. OriginalPouzar says:

    fter getting swept in regulation on the west coast just a week or so ago, the Oilers look to complete a turnaround sweep of the west coast.

    Aside from some dying minute collapses, the team has looked good on this trip.

    In my opinion, all skaters have had good to great trips except for Caggulia and Lucic.

    Here is hoping that Talbot can continue to play well – he’s looked like the 2016/17 Talbot for the is last 6 games – a massively important showing if he can continue through year end.

    Drai also looks like the 2016/17 playoffs Drai and that is a dominant beast of a hockey player that can carry the likes of AHL tweeners (Ty Rattie) as a linemate.

    Slepy looks to continue his best regular season run as an NHLer – multiple plus games in a row.

    Strome, as we know, is looking like a solid middle 6 center and playing in all disciplines.

    Where will Aberg slot in tonight? Chiarelli mentioned that Todd will start him slow in the bottom 6 – as he should.

    Go Oilers

  170. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Jeez a lot of ridicule sent Chia’s way for misstating that the Maroon pick was for this year.

    Come on, we don’t actually believe he thought he had signed a trade deal that said 2018 on it right? He has lieutenants doublecheck. I hope. . .

  171. deardylan says:

    Deadline day – fun to read the posts from deadline days in 2017 and 2016.

    2017
    https://lowetide.ca/2017/02/15/trade-deadline-201715-for-the-oilers/

    2016 – Oh Lordy Look at Those UFA compared to UFA today. Much better these days, no?!
    https://lowetide.ca/2016/02/29/a-busy-day-after-all/

    With Projected Line Combos of… 🙂

    Hall – Draisaitl – Kassian
    Maroon – McDavid – Yakupov
    Hendricks – RNH – Eberle
    Korpikoski – Letestu – Cracknell

    Klef-Someone cool
    Sekera-Someone cool
    Davidson-Gryba
    Griff-Nurse

  172. ArmchairGM says:

    Lowetide:
    For The Athletic: Difficult to be encouraged by the Patrick Maroon return

    https://theathletic.com/254564/2018/02/26/lowetide-difficult-to-be-encouraged-by-oilers-return-for-patrick-maroon/

    On the flip side, is Maroon’s deadline return an indicator of pending summertime interest? Maybe, since nobody values him very highly, he can be signed to something like 1 x $2, similar to what Vanek got from Vancouver. If that’s the case, do you bring him back?

  173. Wilde says:

    Material pocession: I’ve never preferred using hyperbole to make a point.

    Yes, I provided disproof for your idea using a hyperbole.

    Think that hurts the argument? Fine.

    Asset A value = 5

    Asset B value = 4

    Asset C value = 3

    Asset D value = 2

    Manager trades Asset A and gets back Asset D. He then trades Asset C and gets back Asset B.

    The two trades value is this:

    2 – 5 = -3
    3 – 4 = +1

    That doesn’t wash out to average, no snarky hyperbole either. Though the hyperbole never made the disproof of the faulty logic less sound.

    Material pocession: Hall for Larsson isn’t exactly McDavid for Bieksa (maybe you think so?).Chiarelli’s major gaffe was the Reinhart trade, which I wouldn’t consider catastrophic to the organization.And the minor deals (eg. Talbot, Maroon) do have value even if you choose to ignore that.

    Yes, I disagreed with the use of shitty logic, so I might think Hall for Larsson is McDavid for Bieksa.

    Yes, when I said “winning two smaller trades” and directly assigned value to those wins, what I actually did was chose to ignore them. (jesus christ, what?)

    Unbelievable.

    It must be a calming, tranquil existence in your mind when all you have to do when people disagree with you is just think “it’s okay, they also think these retarded things”

    There’s only one way I can approach an argument about the Reinhart situation not being catastrophic, and it’s by asking this:

    If the Reinhart situation isn’t catastrophic, can you give me an example of what is?

  174. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: On the flip side, is Maroon’s deadline return an indicator of pending summertime interest? Maybe, since nobody values him very highly, he can be signed to something like 1 x $2, similar to what Vanek got from Vancouver. If that’s the case, do you bring him back?

    I’ll bring him back at 1 X $2M for sure.

    Even 1 X $3M.

    I do not want to commit term to any older winger though.

    We need to use that cap space on the right side defence and wait for our younger players/prospects to develop and fill the top 6 holes for $1M cap hit – that’s how we save cap and still build a champion.

  175. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I think this is probably contingent on him shooting 5% down the stretch, and then NJD missing or gettig swept, but a one year deal could happen in that scenario.

    Most ruthless move? Sell him at the deadline again next Feb, even if we’re in a playoff spot.

  176. frjohnk says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Jeez a lot of ridicule sent Chia’s way for misstating that the Maroon pick was for this year.

    Come on, we don’t actually believe he thought he had signed a trade deal that said 2018 on it right? He has lieutenants doublecheck. I hope. . .

    Well, one would think he would have a good handle on what year the pick was going to be.

    But the deal did come down to the last few minutes and there could have been alot of back and forth. Not a big deal if he got the years mixed but I can see it generating a few snickers as Chia does not really leave much of a good impression amongst most Oiler fans.

    My twitter timeline is showing most people are not happy with the Maroon trade.

    As I have said before the amount of assets we gave up to get Maroon ( 4th rounder 93rd overall) and a failed prospect looks to be around the same value as the amount of assets we received ( 3rd rounder, could be around 75th to 80th overall) and a prospect that most likely does not make it.

    Maroons impact as a player is significantly better from 2 years ago at this time but unfortunately the market is what really dicatates the return at this time. We know that Chia was asking for a 1st or a 2nd and prospect that is close to playing. What he got in return was a far cry from that. If Chia got this deal done in the AM, then I would have been a bit more upset. But the fact that it has come out that Chia kept the price high until the last 10 minutes, lets me know that the ball was in the buyers court.

    It sure would have been nice to have a better return as the Oilers need currency to improve and this deadline did not move the needle at all in that regard. Not a fan of Chia but I dont blame him for the return.

    Somebody smart who lives across the Ocean was telling us to temper their expectations on Maroons return. Cant remember who 🙂

  177. Wilde says:

    frjohnk,

    I think the last I remember reading was that 9 teams were in on Maroon.

    Of all the teams to talk to, NJD was a bad dance partner because all of their decent pro forward prospects made the jump this year or last.

    Their AHL team is bottom of their division, with a putrid 17-28-9, Nick Lappin is the only F that’s 24 or under and producing decently, and he’s worse than Pontus Aberg in that regard.

    The market dictates the value, so we got what we got, but Chiarelli’s now going to have to try to acquire someone in exchange these two 3rds at the draft to accomplish his original goal.

  178. who says:

    anduril:
    I don’t necessarily have a problem with playing Lucic with McDavid or Draisaitl. They are about the only two players that can compensate, at least a little, for Lucic’s mistakes. Put Lucic with lesser players and they will be caved the entire shift. Strome can’t carry Lucic; McDavid and Draisaitl can. The problem for me is that Lucic is continually awarded PP time and has played in some strange situations (3v3, last 30 secs of the game in a defensive zone start, etc.), and he’s been given too much ice time. Sure, put him on the ice with McDavid but give him shorter shifts and give JP and Slepyshev time on the PP. As others have suggested, sit him once in awhile.

    I still believe that Lucic could probably be dealt if we retain. If Montreal could be convinced to take Shea Weber, and Dion Phaneuf could be traded twice on his deal (to OTT and then to LAK), and Gaborik could be traded, and so on, then a good GM could find a buyer and even a decent return on Lucic. The issue is timing and recognizing when other GMs are vulnerable. Chia is just not very good at trades. His small acquisitions do not offset his other work. They only reflect the fact that once in awhile even a bad GM gets lucky because humans/players/chemistry have/has a certain unpredictability.

    Sure Mcdavid and Drai can carry Lucic around. But why would you want them to?
    Pretty obvious that this current team is going to live and die with the offense created by these two. Creating a lineup that negates their offense seems kind of counterproductive.

  179. frjohnk says:

    Wilde:
    frjohnk,

    I think the last I remember reading was that 9 teams were in on Maroon.

    Of all the teams to talk to, NJD was a bad dance partner because all of their decent pro forward prospects made the jump this year or last.

    Their AHL team is bottom of their division, with a putrid 17-28-9, Nick Lappin is the only F that’s 24 or under and producing decently, and he’s worse than Pontus Aberg in that regard.

    The market dictates the value, so we got what we got, but Chiarelli’s now going to have to try to acquire someone in exchange these two 3rds at the draft to accomplish his original goal.

    There may have been up to 9 teams who were interested, but the interest was only for minimal payment. Once the dominoes of Nash, Kane, Stastny etc fell, the teams willing to make a splash were off the list,there were no buyers going to pay close to asking price for Maroon

    I notice some have said that a comparable to Maroon last year (Eaves, had similar stats, kinda same track record, similar cap hit) fetched a conditional first.

    We hoped for the best and well, as an Oilers fan, we know how that turns out.

  180. Pouzar says:

    I think Chia did ok overall but I want him fired to the sun before he trades Nuge and/or Klef for magic beans this summer. If Nuge has to go due to salary cap then I don’t want Chia being the guy to do it.

    Also, fire Caggs to the sun. There is no place on an a NHL for a fringe AHLer who skates around accomplishing nothing. Some posters here are still clinging to the dream of him playing Top 6 LW and it’s mind boggling. Ditto for Pak.

  181. Pouzar says:

    Material pocession: Chiarelli’s major gaffe was the Reinhart trade

    x 100000000000000000000000

  182. Pouzar says:

    GMB3: I think the Reinhart deal was as close to catastrophic as it gets.

    x 100000000000000000000000

  183. frjohnk says:

    Pouzar:
    I think Chia did ok overall but I want him fired to the sun before he trades Nuge and/or Klef for magic beans this summer. If Nuge has to go due to salary cap then I don’t want Chia being the guy to do it.

    Also, fire Caggs to the sun. There is no place on an a NHL for a fringe AHLer who skates around accomplishing nothing. Some posters here are still clinging to the dream of him playing Top 6 LW and it’s mind boggling. Ditto for Pak.

    Top 6 pfft.

    Cags should be with McDavid on 1st line. Those two are dynamite together.

    Sleppy and Khaira with……Letestu on the 4th line. But that will be next year when we bring Letestu back.
    😀

    PS.
    Jets look good.

    Still room on the bandwagon as I have saved you a seat. Even got a few beers for you. But I took them from your fridge.

  184. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: Cags should be with McDavid on 1st line.

    Get the hell outta my kitchen!

  185. OriginalPouzar says:

    Curious to see what the post-deadline lineup will look like.

    Probably very similar to last game with Aberg, presumably, drawing in.

    Lucic-McDavid-Slepyshev
    Cammalleri-Draisaitl-Rattie
    Caggiula-Khaira-Aberg
    Puljujarvi-Strome-Kassian

    I would do the following but I doubt it:

    Lucic -McDavid-Puljijarvi
    Cammalleri-Draisaitl-Rattie
    Slepyshev-Strome-Aberg
    Caggulia-Khaira-Kassian

    Nurse-Larsson
    Klefbom-Benning
    Sekera-Auvitu

    I don’t want Lucic on the 1st line and would like to switch him with Slep but I want to see Slep with Strome more as they’ve developed chemistry and I think it could be a good third line pairing next year.

    I thought about moving Lucic to the fourth line but, frankly, Caggulia needs to stay on the fourth line.

    Maybe I’ll move Kass up

    Puljijarvi-McDavid-Kass
    Cammalleri-Draisaitl-Rattie
    Slepyshev-Strome-Aberg
    Lucic-Khaira-Caggulia

    Nurse-Larsson
    Klefbom-Benning
    Sekera-Auvitu

  186. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: PS.
    Jets look good.
    Still room on the bandwagon as I have saved you a seat. Even got a few beers for you. But I took them from your fridge.

    You sound like my buddies out here lol. One in particular. He is choked I am not a Jets fan.

    But seriously, I can’t believe what they’ve done. They hit on every pick in the 1st rd and manage to find gems in the middle to later rounds too (Helle, Appleton, Niku, etc).

    I would love to know what they did to turn around their amateur scouting b/c the cupboard was bare when they took over the Thrasher franchise.

  187. anduril says:

    who: Sure Mcdavid and Drai can carry Lucic around. But why would you want them to?
    Pretty obvious that thiscurrent team is going to live and die with the offense created by these two. Creating a lineup that negates their offense seems kind of counterproductive.

    Because if I have to live with him, I’d rather mitigate the damage than make it worse. Pairing a weaker player with stronger players, even if they are a drag, is often the best strategy available. Obviously, it’s not ideal but it can be quite a bit better than the alternative of pairing weaker players together. It is possible to further mitigate the damage by creating breakouts and transitions that do not rely on that player or take his weaknesses into account. Unfortunately, adapting strategy to fit players doesn’t appear to be McLellan’s strong suit; he prefers them to conform to his system and is stubborn about the way he deploys some of them.

  188. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    The d pairings are what I’d do as well but I’m a fan of having the two European off-wng LWers at LW and no winger with 97 older than 24.

    Slepyshev – McDavid – Puljujarvi

    Aberg – Draisaitl – Cammaleri

    Lucic – Khaira – Strome

    Pakarinen – Malone – Kassian

  189. who says:

    anduril: Because if I have to live with him, I’d rather mitigate the damage than make it worse. Pairing a weaker player with stronger players, even if they are a drag, is often the best strategy available. Obviously, it’s not ideal but it can be quite a bit better than the alternative of pairing weaker players together. It is possible to further mitigate the damage by creating breakouts and transitions that do not rely on that player or take his weaknesses into account. Unfortunately, adapting strategy to fit players doesn’t appear to be McLellan’s strong suit; he prefers them to conform to his system and is stubborn about the way he deploys some of them.

    So you think it’s better to limit the damage that Lucic does as opposed to boosting the production of Mcdavid and Drai?
    I think it’s a credible position but I would go the other way.
    I think Lucic would be much less of a drag on Strome than he would be on Mcdavid or Draisatll.
    Two reasons.
    1. He can keep up to Strome
    2. Strome is not going to score a lot centering our third line. No matter who you play him with.

  190. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde:
    OriginalPouzar,

    The d pairings are what I’d do as well but I’m a fan of having the two European off-wng LWers at LW and no winger with 97 older than 24.

    Slepyshev – McDavid – Puljujarvi

    Aberg – Draisaitl – Cammaleri

    Lucic – Khaira – Strome

    Pakarinen – Malone – Kassian

    I see what you’ve done there and I agree with some stuff but not others. A couple of thoughts:

    1) I want to see both Strome and Khaira at center – they have both expressed that they prefer center (Khaira more direct) and both are better at center than on the wing (seemingly). If they can fill the 3 and 4 C spots next year it will create better options in our top 6.

    2) Malone was terrible in his last recall – did nothing positive and simply took bad penalties. I think Rattie has earned the current call-up spot.

    3) Chiarelli stated that McLellan will likely ease Aberg in to the lineup in the bottom 6.

    4) I’m fine with Slep at 1LW – he has earned it. My only issue is I really want to see him on Strome’s left wing a little more as those two seem to be developing chemistry and I think it has the makings of a strong 3rd line pairing for next season.

  191. Material pocession says:

    Wilde: Yes, I provided disproof for your idea using a hyperbole.

    Think that hurts the argument? Fine.

    Asset A value = 5

    Asset B value = 4

    Asset C value = 3

    Asset D value = 2

    Manager trades Asset A and gets back Asset D. He then trades Asset C and gets back Asset B.

    The two trades value is this:

    2 – 5 = -3
    3 – 4 = +1

    That doesn’t wash out to average, no snarky hyperbole either. Though the hyperbole never made the disproof of the faulty logic less sound.

    Yes, I disagreed with the use of shitty logic, so I might think Hall for Larsson is McDavid for Bieksa.

    Yes, when I said “winning two smaller trades” and directly assigned value to those wins, what I actually did was chose to ignore them. (jesus christ, what?)

    Unbelievable.

    It must be a calming, tranquil existence in your mind when all you have to do when people disagree with you is just think “it’s okay, they also think these retarded things”

    There’s only one way I can approach an argument about the Reinhart situation not being catastrophic, and it’s by asking this:

    If the Reinhart situation isn’t catastrophic, can you give me an example of what is?

    It’s not faulty logic, but yours is. You keep using two or three transactions to prove your point, but Chiarelli has made several. Not all of them are A – D, as you are probably aware in your non-tranquil mind. Indeed, you can make a bad move, several good moves, and be considered ‘average’. If you continue to fail to see this then I can’t help you.

    An example of a catastrophic trade: Ricky Ray for Grant Shaw. In hockey, there have been worse trades than the Reinhart deal. For example, Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat. This was worse than the Reinhart trade but somehow the Washington Capitals kept winning. Is this too much for you to fathom?

    Nice work with your alphabet, though.

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