The 75 Best players in the 2018 draft

The Edmonton Oilers signed Ostap Safin yesterday, bringing the total of 2017 signed draft picks to three (Kailer Yamamoto, Dmitri Samorukov, Safin). There’s more talent to be signed, including goalie Stuart Skinner and winger Kirill Maksimov. Defender Phil Kemp and forward Skyler Brind’Amour are in college and on the way in the future, respectively. Oilers’ scouts won’t get their report card for several seasons but there are some good trends.

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PRELUDE

  • I use NHLE as a strong guiding light.
  • My list list rewards offense heavily, and the most gifted offensive players will be at the top. Players with a range of skills usually do well, but there is a fine line between a two-way player and a checking future. The list does not give high numbers to players who have a lot of their value tied up in the defensive side of the game. Goalies are graded (almost exclusively) by save percentage, although success over more than one season has terrific value.
  • I view Bob McKenzie’s list as the draft Bible, but my list does not factor in any scouts input beyond the obvious. (My list is complete before his final one).
  • Corey Pronman’s views have a major impact on my list. He’s been finding value in the draft for years and his list is unique. Despite my admiration for his work, our lists are not similar. Makes sense, since he’s scouting and evaluating these players, I’m using math and what gets sent my way. Corey’s mid-season list is here.
  • Scott Wheeler is a unique voice whose mid-season list is here.
  • Craig Button’s list has high value for me, I like the fact he has the courage of his convictions.
  • I pay attention to Red Line Report.
  • Simon Boisvert is a wonderful resource. He’s on the Lowdown often.
  • I also view McKeen’s, Steve Kournianos, Grant McCagg, Tom Hunter, The Black Book, Brock Otten, Adam Sherren, ISS.
  • I do not copy any rankings (this should be fairly obvious if you look at other rankings).
  • Mark Edwards Black Book is a brilliant reference. His release last year has been very useful for this year’s draft. Highly recommended.
  • It is very rare for me to rank a defenseman No. 1 overall. Last time? Victor Hedman, 2009. Things could change this year.
  • My list is not designed to compete with, or copy any of the sources mentioned above. Organizations like Red Line, ISS, McKeens, Future Considerations and others employ actual scouts who observe, evaluate and project. None of their work is contained here.
  • This list uses math, previous draft trends (the CHL delivers enormous talent to the NHL), various pieces of anecdotal information volunteered by scouts and observers along the way, and an educated guess based on watching these things unfold since 1971.

 THE 75 BEST FOR 2018

  1. (1) LD Rasmus Dahlin, Frolunda (SHL). The franchise defenseman. No negatives.
  2. (2) R Andrei Svechnikov, Barrie Colts (OHL). Complete talent, fleet winger (shoots left).
  3. (3) L Filip Zadina, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Size, shooter, speed, skill.
  4. (5) LD Ty Smith, Spokane Chiefs (WHL). Nice range of skills and impressive offense.
  5. (6) RD Adam Boqvist, Brynas (SuperElite). Undersized puck moving defender who is very creative.
  6. (7) R Oliver Wahlstrom, U.S. N. D. P. (USHL). Pure scorer with good size. Plus shot.
  7. (9) LD Quinn Hughes, Michigan (NCAA). Fast as lightning defender, smooth as silk.
  8. (8) L Brady Tkachuk, Boston University (NCAA). Rugged power winger with two-way skills.
  9. (4) LC Jacob Olofsson, Timra (Allsvenskan). Speedy center with skill, he’s an emerging player.
  10. (16) RD Evan Bouchard, London Knights (OHL). Big numbers, intelligent.
  11. (11) L Joel Farabee, U.S. N. D. P. (USHL). Speedy winger with legit skill, he’s a little undersized.
  12. (13) LC Filip Hallander, Timra (Allsvenskan). Big, fast forward is an excellent puck transporter.
  13. (14) LC Joe Veleno, Saint-John Sea Dogs (QMJHL). Good size and speed, creative center.
  14. (15) RD Noah Dobson, Acadie-Bathurst Titan (QMJHL). Two-way defenseman.
  15. (11) RC Akil Thomas, Niagara Ice Dogs (OHL). Undersized center with all of the tools.
  16. (21) RD Calen Addison, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). Creative player, very fast.
  17. (10) RD Ryan Merkley, Guelph Storm (OHL). Ridiculous offensive package.
  18. (17) LC Barrett Hayton, SSM Greyhounds (OHL). Shooter owns a heavy shot and uses it liberally.
  19. (18) LC Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Assat (Sm-Liiga). Smart, very skilled and he’s 6.02, 190.
  20. (20) RD Jett Woo, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL). A fine two-way prospect and a rare righty.
  21. (22) R Dominik Bokk, Vajxo Lakers (SuperElite). Elusive skater and a fine stickhandler.
  22. (23) W Samuel Fagemo, Frolunda (SuperElite)Good boots and an excellent shot.
  23. (19) LC Ryan McLeod, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL). Late ’99 has size, speed and skill.
  24. (24) RC Cam Hillis, Guelph Storm (OHL). He’s a burner and he’s spiking.
  25. (25) RD Bode Wilde, U.S. N. D. P. (USHL). Has size, skill, skating ability plus can shoot the puck.
  26. (26) LD K’Andre Miller, U.S. N. D. P. (USHL). Big defender who can skate and has a big shot.
  27. (27) RC Rasmus Kupari, Karpat (Sm-Liiga). Skilled center, offense is the big selling point.
  28. (28) L Isac Lundestrom, Lulea (SHL). He is a burner, probably a little shy offensively.
  29. (29) LC Linus Nyman, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL). Strong two-way C with impressive offense.
  30. (31) R Serron Noel, Oshawa Generals (OHL). Big power forward with improving speed.
  31. (38) L Grigori Denisenko, Yaroslavl (MHL). Shoots right, high-end skill and he’s a puck wizard.
  32. (30) LC Phillipp Kurashev, Quebec Remparts (QMJHL). Intelligent two-way center
  33. (33) LC Milos Roman, Vancouver Giants (WHL). A smart player in all areas of the ice.
  34. (34) LC Jack McBain, Toronto Jr. Canadians (OJHL). Two-way C with size and skill.
  35. (35) LD Alex Alexeyev, Red Deer Rebels (WHL). Big man, calm feet, has skill.
  36. (32) G Lukas Dostal, Brno (Czech). Fabulous numbers over the last two seasons.
  37. (36) LD Jared McIssac, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Powerful skater, emerging offense.
  38. (39) LC Allan McShane, Oshawa Generals (OHL). A wide range of skills.
  39. (37) G Jakub Skarek, Jihlava (Czech). Huge goalie, quality resume.
  40. (43) R Jesse Ylonen, Espoo United (Mestis). Tall, thin skill winger who is both shooter and playmaker.
  41. (40) LC Benoit-Olivier Groulx, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Two-way center with some skill.
  42. (41) L Jakob Lauko, Chomutov (Czech). Skilled winger with good speed. Offense a mystery.
  43. (42) LC Nathan Dunkley, London Knights (OHL). Impressive young player with offensive ability.
  44. (47) R Vitali Kravtsov, Traktor (KHL). Terrific skill obscured by playing in big league.
  45. (52) G Oliver Rodrigue, Drummondville (QMJHL). Best NA goalie by consensus.
  46. (44) LD Rasmus Sandin, SSM Greyhounds (OHL). Smart, undersized skill defenseman.
  47. (45) L Cedric Desruisseaux, Drummondville (QMJHL). Impressive 5×5 scorer.
  48. (46) LD Jonathan Tychonick, Penticton Vees (BCJHL). Puck mover, creative, chaos.
  49. (48) L Albin Eriksson, Skelleftea (SHL). Big winger, plus speed, promising offense.
  50. (49) RC Ty Dallandrea, Flint Firebirds (OHL). Skill center plays a rugged style. .88
  51. (50) L Jack Randl, Omaha Lancers (USHL). Impressive scorer. Zero buzz.
  52. (51) L Martin Kaut, Pardubice (Czech). Big, strong, excellent skater. Offense unclear.
  53. (53) LD Filip Kral, Spokane Chiefs (WHL). Smart puck moving defender. Impressive.
  54. (54) LC Alexander Khovanov, Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL). Unreal skill.
  55. (55) L Sampo Ranta, Sioux City Musketeers (USHL). Skill winger with speed and a plus shot.
  56. (NR) RD Nils Lundkvist, Lulea (SHL). Speed and can pass plus transport the puck.
  57. (56) RC Kyle Topping, Kelowna Rockets (WHL). Impressive even-strength offense.
  58. (NR) RD Sean Durzi, Owen Sound Attack (OHL). Puck mover, talented and trending.
  59. (57) R Kody Clark, Ottawa 67’s (OHL). Rambunctious PF with some skill. Wendel’s boy.
  60. (58) R Riley Sutter, Everett Silvertips (WHL). A gritty winger with skill. Sutter.
  61. (NR) L Anderson MacDonald, Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL). Big W is talented scorer.
  62. (59) LC Matej Pekar, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL). Playmaking Czech in USHL.
  63. (60) LC Blake McLaughlin, Chicago Steel (USHL). Undersized skill player.
  64. (61) R Vladislav Kotkov, Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL). Big, mobile offensive winger.
  65. (62) R Aidan Dudas, Owen Sound Attack (OHL). Small, very skilled forward.
  66. (NR) L Cole Fonstadt, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). Good hands, skilled.
  67. (NR) LD Mattias Samuelsson, U.S.N.D.T.P. (USHL). Shutdown skills, some offense.
  68. (NR) L Gabriel Fortier, Baie Comeau (QMJHL). Speedy winger with skill.
  69. (NR) RC Jay O’Brien, U.S.N.D.T.P. (USHL). Still finding out about him.
  70. (NR) LC Liam Foudy, London Knights (OHL). Skill center.
  71. (NR) L Jake Wise, U.S.N.D.T.P. (USHL). A burner with emerging offense.
  72. (NR) R Yegor Sokolov, Cape Breton (QMJHL). Skilled power forward with good numbers.
  73. (NR) LC Lukas Wernblom, MODO (SuperElite). Small, skilled, needs better results.
  74. (NR) LD Adam Ginning, Linkoping (SHL). Big defender with good speed, most of his value will come miles from the opposition net.
  75. (NR) RC Semyon Der-Arguchintsev, Peterborough Petes (OHL). Playmaking center, not a lot of buzz.

OILERS AT THE DRAFT, 2018

  • First Round—No. 5 overall
  • Second Round—No. 36 overall
  • Third Round—No. 67 overall
  • Fourth Round—No. 98 overall (Oilers acquired goaltender Al Montoya from the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for a conditional fourth-round pick in 2018. If Montoya plays less than seven regular season games for the Oilers the draft pick becomes a fifth rounder)
  • Fifth Round—No. 129 overall
  • Sixth Round—No. 160 overall
  • Seventh Round—No. 191 overall

LOWETIDE MOCK DRAFT

  • First Round—No. 5 overall—R Oliver Wahlstrom, U.S. N. D. P. (USHL). Steve Kournianois: Wahlstrom is a dominant power winger with elite puck skills, highlighted by a devastatingly accurate shot. He is one of the top goal scorers available for the draft. Source.
  • Second Round—No. 36 overall—L Isac Lundestrom, Lulea (SHL). Steve Kournianos: Lundestrom is a dynamic offensive player with legitimate top-six potential. He owns a quick release, an incredible set of hands and the ability to finish from in close even if travelling at top speed. Source
  • Third Round—No. 67 overall—RD Sean Durzi, Owen Sound Attack (OHL). The 1998-born RHD is a former forward who lit up the OHL this winter. He could turn pro in the fall and might give the Oilers another offensive defenseman for the Condors. I know it seems like a longshot, but Brock Otten is a fan and the numbers (even with his being an older prospect) are quality.
  • Fourth Round—No. 98 overall (Oilers acquired goaltender Al Montoya from the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for a conditional fourth-round pick in 2018. If Montoya plays less than seven regular season games for the Oilers the draft pick becomes a fifth rounder)
  • Fifth Round—No. 129 overall—L Chase Wouters, Saskatoon Blades (WHL). Good skater who plays an aggressive style despite being a little undersized. Spiked offensively this season, owing mostly to terrific passing ability.
  • Sixth Round—No. 160 overall—L Justin Almeida, Swift Current Broncos (WHL). Undersized forward has always had speed and two-way acumen, has blossomed offensively. A 1999 born, not highly rated.
  • Seventh Round—No. 191 overall—G Carl Stankowski, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL). Injury has kept him out all season. He was outstanding at 16.

This mock is basically skill and speed, with a giant dose of shooter included. I think that’s the direction Edmonton will go at the draft table, in trades and free agency this summer. One of the truly comparable players to Taylor Hall is Max Pacioretty, I can see him in Edmonton by October. This Wahlstrom fellow is a perfect fit.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy and fun show, but no draft guests this morning at 10, TSN1260. You are absolutely free to drop comments and questions here at the blog, tweet me @Lowetide or text 10-1260 while I’m on the air. Scheduled to appear:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. Who is the best winger on the current roster? What is the trade value of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins?
  • Bill Lindsay, Florida Panthers broadcaster. Former NHLer will join us to talk about one of the most interesting teams in the league currently.
  • Andrew Stoeten, The Athletic. I’m wondering about this Jays team. 88 wins? 85? 82?

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176 Responses to "The 75 Best players in the 2018 draft"

  1. flyfish1168 says:

    If we win another lottery draft we will be setting another record. Unfortunately, this is not a good thing. Someday the NHL will set another Oiler Rule.

  2. smellyglove says:

    Right hand D
    Is for Me

    Draft Boquist or Bouchard
    And you will see

    The Oilers prosper
    with authority

  3. Jethro Tull says:

    I like that Button is a bit of a hipster drafter; “I’ve got this guy at #7OV, but you’ve probably never heard of him”

    No, seriously, a different point of view is great, rather than some that hides behind consensus. Guys like Bobby Mac are true pros at this, but too many tag on the coattails of better journos. At least Button’s alternate universe (sometimes Bizarro) picks are clearly explained. And their not exactly anymore out to lunch than some Oilers picks in the last ten years….

  4. Jethro Tull says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmus_Dahlin

    Hahaha! Somebody’s having fun on this wiki!

    “Rasmus Dahlin (born 13 April 2000) is a Swedish professional ice hockey defenceman for the Detroit Red Wings of the National Hockey League (NHL). Dahlin will be drafted by the lottery winning Detroit Red Wings with the first pick in the 2018 NHL Entry Draft.”

  5. flyfish1168 says:

    LT I like your mock pick of Oliver Wahlstrom. We have spent 2 previous draft picks on RW. How does this look for JP and KY in your opinion? I guess they can learn to play on their off wing

  6. OmJo says:

    I can totally envision the Oilers drafting a defenceman in the first round of this draft, then trading Klefbom in June expecting the shiny new toy to replace him next season.

    Then ofc, shiny new toy won’t be ready for the NHL, but TMac and Chiarelli won’t know this until after we waste his first ELC year evaluating him.

    Because Oilers.

  7. prefonmich says:

    The biggest potential positive of the Chiarelli regime thus far has been their drafting. Oilers are slowly accumulating some fine talent that will bubble up in the next 3 years. Unfortunately the rest of their resume has been atrocious and so we are here. #Future looks bright. #beenherebefore #CmDentryleveldealldone

  8. OilClog says:

    If they don’t want the Oilers winning draft lottos they need to stop paying the refs to bury the Oilers.

    Hall got more points last night, why couldn’t we win that draft too? Wait. Fuck.

    If Chia trades Lucic for Max, give him a clap, then fire his ass before they sell off Klef for magic beans and Nuge for Someone’s broken Klef replacement.

    Klef should of been shut down at Christmas. His value would much be much higher come June if his injury was dealt with. Hopefully he fails the physical and they have to cut bait with Sekera and Russell.

  9. Glass says:

    Can we just fix our defense please? Tired of drafting forwards and not giving them help from the back end. We have McDavid, Draisaitl, Yamamoto, and Puljujarvi. That’s a solid foundation. If Lucic can pick it up and we sign a stop-gap LW we’ll be in an okay position.

    Trading Klefbomb is a real possibility due to the Russell and Sekera contracts. If that happens, it’s a major set back. We can stack our forward core but it will do us no good if we don’t have the D to back them up.

    I suspect real damage will be done at the end of the season. Chia dug himself a hole. He can wait a year, keep core players like Nuge & Klef and sell Sekera at the end of next season, giving us breathing room cap wise. Or he can trade Klef for a winger/Nuge for a D in an attempt to save his job but crippling our future in the process.

    I would rather Chia do what he can to keep Klefbomb. Lets not forget how great he was last season. As much as I love Nuge, we have McDavid and Draisaitl. If we’re looking at cap relief, I start at Nuge and not Klefbomb.

    x / McDavid / Yamamoto
    Lucic / Draisaitl / Puljujarvi

    ~

    Klefbomb/Larsson
    Nurse/?
    ?/Bear

    A Boqvist/Bouchard would be nice.

  10. ArmchairGM says:

    NHLe calculator link doesn’t work.

  11. ArmchairGM says:

    What exactly has Ty Smith done to get your 4th spot? For someone claiming to use NHLE as a “strong guiding light”, I’m not sure why he’s so high and Bouchard so low.

    Does he have incriminating photos, LT?

  12. Brantford Boy says:

    LT, Thanks for these posts… can’t imagine the hours logged creating such a list… great stuff…

    Just spit balling here, what do you place the odds/percentage the Oilers trade down the 1st to get a “player/ready prospect that can help now”, or larger trade like Max?

    I’m at about 50/50… I’m sure we want the pick at the draft but we have needs, again…

  13. Oilman99 says:

    Just once it would be nice to get the scouting right, and pick the best players with pick. The fact that they weren’t going to pick Barzal is really scarey.

  14. Brantford Boy says:

    godot10,

    That was, ‘Just about a year ago’… I think this is more present tense…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNnAvTTaJjM

  15. zatch says:

    ArmchairGM,

    It’s the ol’ Western Bias. A terrible affliction.

    Big match today, COYS!

  16. Brantford Boy says:

    smellyglove,

    This stinks 😉
    Mind you I am quickly gathering speed on the Boquist train… or trade down to get Noah Dobson and a player…

    Mind you LT’s Wahlstrom pick is pretty nice stuff too, for a winger…

  17. Bag of Pucks says:

    If, and admittedly it’s a substantial ‘if’, Chiarelli can trade Klefbom and get full value, why would you not consider that trade?

    Plain and simple, Oscar is injury prone,. There’s undeniably talent there but it’s coupled with the prospensity to miss time in the lineup or having to play at less than full capability.

    I appreciate the player, but if Chiarelli could get fair value back in trade, I think swapping out a glass slipper for a work boot is not necessarily a bad thing.

  18. McSorley33 says:

    If we are going to pick yet another winger in the first round – someone needs to explain, in detail, how this organization obtains a legitimate puck moving RD. ( first pairing division )

  19. ArmchairGM says:

    Not sure if there’s room on the team for another Kailer Yamamoto, but Owen Sound’s Aiden Dudas has an NHLE of 11 goals and 23 points – and has a late birthday too. As a third-round pick, he could be dynamite.

  20. jtblack says:

    ArmchairGM:
    What exactly has Ty Smith done to get your 4th spot? For someone claiming to use NHLE as a “strong guiding light”, I’m not sure why he’s so high and Bouchard so low.

    Does he have incriminating photos, LT?

    Not aure about Bouchard, but All that Ty Smith has done is put up 70 Points in 63 games as a 17 yr old D man …

  21. hunter1909 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Plain and simple, Oscar is injury prone,. There’s undeniably talent there but it’s coupled with the prospensity to miss time in the lineup or having to play at less than full capability.
    I appreciate the player, but if Chiarelli could get fair value back in trade, I think swapping out a glass slipper for a work boot is not necessarily a bad thing.

    As long as the Oilers are entering the playoffs as a Cinderella team, you want to keep hold of that glass slipper.

  22. ArmchairGM says:

    flyfish1168:
    LT I like your mock pick of Oliver Wahlstrom. We have spent 2 previous draft picks on RW. How does this look for JP and KY in your opinion? I guess they can learn to play on their off wing

    Also, Safin and Maksimov. All these players have up arrows, the right side could well be set for the next decade or more. I’m not saying Wahlstrom wouldn’t be a fantastic addition – of course he would be. However, I think the Oilers will use their first pick on an RD – and maybe even trade down to do it.

  23. jtblack says:

    Almedia Edit: Plays for Moose Jaw

  24. hunter1909 says:

    McSorley33:
    If we are going to pick yet another winger in the first round – someone needs to explain, in detail,how this organization obtains a legitimate puck moving RD. ( first pairing division )

    Man, where have you been?

    Everyone knows the MSM line: Draft the (allegedly) best player! No matter what! Trading to fill team needs later on is easy!

    For example, look how easy it was to get the veteran sniper Cammilari!

  25. ArmchairGM says:

    OmJo:
    I can totally envision the Oilers drafting a defenceman in the first round of this draft, then trading Klefbom in June expecting the shiny new toy to replace him next season.

    Then ofc, shiny new toy won’t be ready for the NHL, but TMac and Chiarelli won’t know this until after we waste his first ELC year evaluating him.

    Because Oilers.

    This was (allegedly) part of the thinking behind the Hall trade, that he’d become expendable due to Puljujarvi falling to us. If so, then I could see your predictions coming true. So sad.

  26. Glass says:

    McSorley33,

    That’s what I’m saying! We have the generational center. We have another center who can anchor the 2nd line, and be a first line C on a lot of teams. We have a nice two-way winger with size and speed in JP, who I think would compliment Leon quite well for the 2nd line. Then you Kailer, who is fast/shifty/agile (get into scoring positions), has the hockey sense, and has the finish to match well with McDavid. That’s a solid base.

    But for D… Bear is at best a top 4 D imo, but I mainly see him as a 3rd pairing guy who gets a fat chunk of PP minutes. Larsson is a solid shut down D, but honestly a 2nd pairing guy on most teams imo. Klefbomb is great, but seemingly injury prone. Nurse is still a question mark for me offensively. I don’t really know what we have in him.

    We have some good pieces at F, but seem to lack bonafide 1st pairing D. Klef and Nurse could get there, but they just aren’t over the hump yet. This is our chance to attempt to draft that cornerstone D. If we pass up this opportunity we’ll find ourselves trading another young winger for a D down the road and coming up short.

    Boqvist is my #1 RD, but Bouchard also looks like a stud in the making. Plays like 30 mins a night for the London Knights (great team to develop under I might add).

  27. hunter1909 says:

    Oilman99:
    Just once it would be nice to get the scouting right, and pick the best players with pick. The fact that they weren’t going to pick Barzal is really scarey.

    Probably they decided the team had enough soft, scoring crybabies.

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  29. hunter1909 says:

    ArmchairGM: This was (allegedly) part of the thinking behind the Hall trade, that he’d become expendable due to Puljujarvi falling to us. If so, then I could see your predictions coming true. So sad.

    Sad? Nonsense! Nothing like keeping those high 1st round picks coming. That way, they can keep trading all of their 2nd and 3rd round picks for various “veterans” to help bolster the kids!

  30. ArmchairGM says:

    OilClog:

    … before they sell off Klef for magic beans and Nuge for Someone’s broken Klef replacement.

    Those NMC’s are going to do (have already done?) more damage to the team than any other aspect of Chairelli’s reign, IMO.

  31. hunter1909 says:

    Glass: But for D… Bear is at best a top 4 D imo, but I mainly see him as a 3rd pairing guy who gets a fat chunk of PP minutes.

    At best top 4 ain’t half bad.

    I’ve been following Ethan Bear through the MSM for a few years, as his name keeps popping up. I like players who’s names just keep popping up. I also believe players like this often have the ability to keep developing, confounding the “experts”.

  32. hunter1909 says:

    ArmchairGM: Those NMC’s are going to do (have already done?) more damage to the team than any other aspect of Chairelli’s reign, IMO.

    Not here.

    For me, it’s always going to be the way the Oilers basically set one young player up after another to be run out of town, with a hail of venom coming from their grovelling local hacks(like that tramp Ryan Rishaug) as the disgraced young Oilers go on to(often star for) other teams. It’s simply the way the Lowe-MacT-Katz era Oilers conduct team business.

  33. flyfish1168 says:

    ArmchairGM: Also, Safin and Maksimov. All these players have up arrows, the right side could well be set for the next decade or more. I’m not saying Wahlstrom wouldn’t be a fantastic addition – of course he would be. However, I think the Oilers will use their first pick on an RD – and maybe even trade down to do it.

    I hope for this as well. But this would mean this player probably not available to us for at 1-3 years. Pc will probably trade for a RHD again.

  34. flyfish1168 says:

    ArmchairGM: Those NMC’s are going to do (have already done?) more damage to the team than any other aspect of Chairelli’s reign, IMO.

    I’m in the belief the assets traded out to get GR is greater than even the Hall trade. Just due to the difference in CAP space required.

  35. ArmchairGM says:

    zatch:
    ArmchairGM,

    It’s the ol’ Western Bias. A terrible affliction.

    Big match today, COYS!

    I wondered that. Looking through the list it does look like there’s a WHL bias baked in.

  36. who says:

    I am hearing a lot of chatter on this blog and on LTs show that Chia will get one more chance to fix this. And therefore if the team doesn’t improve significantly next year he will be fired.
    If this is true someone needs to take the keys away from him right now. Cause it’s the impatient, desperate moves that got us in this position to begin with.
    If Chia is staying I hope they are telling him he has another 3 years to get things turned around. I do like his drafting record so far, when he hasn’t traded his picks, and I do think that will pay off down the road.
    The current Boston team gives me some hope for a Chia/Keith Gretzky regime in Edmonton.
    But someone needs to proof read any future Chia trades or signings.
    Patience, Mr Chia, Patience.

  37. OmJo says:

    ArmchairGM: This was (allegedly) part of the thinking behind the Hall trade, that he’d become expendable due to Puljujarvi falling to us. If so, then I could see your predictions coming true. So sad.

    Yup.

    That’s my rationale behind it. We’ve seen this before and I honestly don’t think General Disappointment or McLellan have learned any lessons this season.

  38. who says:

    flyfish1168: I’m in the belief the assets traded out to get GR is greater than even the Hall trade. Just due to the difference in CAP space required.

    Don’t know about that. Although we did gain 2 million in cap space.
    The thing with the Hall trade is that at least we got a quality, young, right shot dman. We got absolutely NOTHING to show for the Reinhart trade. And we were supposedly trading futures for a surer thing.
    Chia’s worst trade. By a mile.

  39. Pouzar says:

    Big Time Sidebar:

    But for those baseball fans this in an unreal feature story on Ichiro.

    http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/22624561/ichiro-suzuki-return-seattle-mariners-resolve-internal-battle

  40. flyfish1168 says:

    who:
    I am hearing a lot of chatter on this blog and on LTs show that Chia will get one more chance to fix this. And therefore if the team doesn’t improve significantly next year he will be fired.
    If this is true someone needs to take the keys away from him right now. Cause it’s the impatient, desperate moves that got us in this position to begin with.
    If Chia is staying I hope they are telling him he has another 3 years to get things turned around. I do like his drafting record so far, when he hasn’t traded his picks, and I do think that will pay off down the road.
    The current Boston team gives me some hope for a Chia/Keith Gretzky regime in Edmonton.
    But someone needs to proof read any future Chia trades or signings.
    Patience, Mr Chia, Patience.

    I hope he does get another chance. But he needs to be made aware that we do not sacrifice the future just for him to save his bacon for 1 year. We need to see good improvement. Also, absolutely no more NMC contracts and he needs to somehow get out from 1 of them. JMHO

  41. flyfish1168 says:

    who: Don’t know about that. Although we did gain 2 million in cap space.
    The thing with the Hall trade is that at least we got a quality, young, right shot dman. We got absolutely NOTHING to show for the Reinhart trade. And we were supposedly trading futures for a surer thing.
    Chia’s worst trade. By a mile.

    The CAP space I didn’t make clear was the space between Hall and Barzal. If we had drafted Barzal. My bad

  42. Professor Q says:

    smellyglove:
    Right hand D
    Is for Me

    Draft Boquist or Bouchard
    And you will see

    The Oilers prosper
    with authority

    Especially Bouchard. He plays both sides, and even when he starts on the RD side he drifts to the MD and LD positions to get his shots off and sort of guard and rove a circular area.

    Like an Ovechkin of sorts. But obviously not to that degree of talent, and not as many micro-alterations to position (bigger, sweepier movements). Also takes at least a few Orr/Hall/McDavid full rink lane runs (solo) every game I’ve seen him play.

    Skating doesn’t seem to be an issue. Graceful. Clearly better than peers. But then again it is only OHL…

  43. Jaxon says:

    My order:
    1) Dahlin – generational D
    2) Svechnikov – I think he’s alone in 2nd. His highlight reel is awesome.
    3) Boqvist – Karlsson comparisons are strong
    4) Bouchard – big offensive and defensive right-hander (78 pts in 61gp in the OHL!)
    5) Veleno – 1.41 pts/go since getting traded. Exceptional status.
    6) Wahlstrom
    7) Dobson
    8) Zadina – I feel like he’s the Daigle, Stefan, Yakupov of this draft (I’m purely unqualified, but his skating and shot remind me too much of Yakupov).

  44. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    who:
    I am hearing a lot of chatter on this blog and on LTs show that Chia will get one more chance to fix this. And therefore if the team doesn’t improve significantly next year he will be fired.
    If this is true someone needs to take the keys away from him right now. Cause it’s the impatient, desperate moves that got us in this position to begin with.
    If Chia is staying I hope they are telling him he has another 3 years to get things turned around. I do like his drafting record so far, when he hasn’t traded his picks, and I do think that will pay off down the road.
    The current Boston team gives me some hope for a Chia/Keith Gretzky regime in Edmonton.
    But someone needs to proof read any future Chia trades or signings.
    Patience, Mr Chia, Patience.

    – I think your take jives with the message that Nicholson has given

    – While Chia is the GM he didn’t be all rogue when making the moves

    – Sure he’s responsible at end of day but he’s not in a vacuum

    – Not making a lot of moves in the off season rather seeing what he had then loading up at trade deadline. It’s popular to criticize him for this There is no doubt they thought they were closer to cup than what happened

    – Coach though he should be on notice and therefore doing desperate things to keep his job. That might not jive with the developments of pool starting the backup bringing jar higher up

  45. Bob Arctor says:

    Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. Who is the best winger on the current roster? What is the trade value of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins?

    Morning Wood cancelled. Disappointing.

  46. Woogie63 says:

    2018/19 Cap will be $81.5M
    2019 NBC TV deal is done … Cap will benefit $84M (P)
    2020 Seattle will join NHL … Cap will benefit $88M (P)

    Are we in cap trouble, I don’t think so what I am missing?

    McDavid $12,5M
    Driasaitl $8.5
    Lucuc $6M
    RNH $6
    Sekera $5.5
    Klefbom $4.167
    Larssom $4.166
    Talbot $4.1
    Russell $4.0
    Puljajariv $3.4
    Kassian $1.950
    Montoya $1.06
    Pakarinen $.720
    Auvitu $.70
    Khaira $.675
    Aberg $.650

    Pouliot $1.33

    Total $65.418. on 16 NHL Players

    Strome $2.75M
    Slepyshev $1.1M
    Caggiula $1.1 M
    Benning $1.1M
    Nurse $4.5M

    Total $10.55 on our RFA

    Gives us $5.5 to find 2 players

  47. ArmchairGM says:

    jtblack: Not aure about Bouchard, but All that Ty Smith has done is put up 70 Points in 63 gamesas a 17 yr old D man …

    Strictly by math:

    4. Ty Smith, LD, WHL 63, 14-56-70 (NHLE: 26.42)
    5. Adam Boqvist, RD, Swe J20 25, 14-10-24 (~24?)
    7. Quinn Hughes, LD, NCAA 33, 4-22-26 (21.32)
    10. Evan Bouchard, OHL 61, 22-56-78 (31.46)
    14. Noah Dobson, QMJHL 62, 16-50-66 (21.82)
    16. Calen Addison, RD, WHL 61, 8-51-59 (23.00)
    17. Ryan Merkley, RD, OHL 57, 12-50-62 (26.76)
    20. Jett Woo, RD, WHL 37, 9-15-24 (17.35)
    25. Bode Wilde, RD, USDP 47, 9-23-32 (~16?)

    46. Rasmus Sandin, LD, OHL 45, 10-32-42 (22.96)

    58. Sean Durzi, RD, OHL 37, 15-32-47 (31.25) (was eligible for 2017 draft)

    And for comparative purposes (draft year in brackets) :

    Ethan Bear, RD, AHL (2015) 34, 6-10-16 (18.14)
    Filip Berglund, RD, SHL (2016) 42, 3-10-13 (14.72)
    Caleb Jones, LD, AHL (2015) 42, 2-13-15 (13.76)
    Dmitri Samorukov, LD, OHL (2017) 56, 10-21-31 (13.62)
    William Lagesson, LD, SHL (2014) 47, 1-11-12 (12.14)

  48. Jethro Tull says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I think your take jives with the message that Nicholson has given

    – While Chia is the GM he didn’t be all rogue when making the moves

    – Sure he’s responsible at end of day but he’s not in a vacuum

    – Not making a lot of moves in the off season rather seeing what he had then loading up at trade deadline. It’s popular to criticize him for this There is no doubt they thought they were closer to cup than what happened

    – Coach though he should be on notice and therefore doing desperate things to keep his job. That might not jive with the developments of pool starting the backup bringing jar higher up

    I disagree. The verbal from Chia was that they thought last season was unexpected, so they were going to stick with the plan of developing. So he sat on his hands instead of correctly reassessing what he had. Therefore he didn’t improve the team at a time when he needed to or should have.

    One thing, among others, that Chia has been bad at is the real time assessment of where his team is. He has a plan, and no matter the product on the ice, he’s sticking with it.

    It’s because he doesn’t think he’s close to a cup is the reason why he didn’t expend assets to get better. He’s stuck to the plan of clearing salary and developing from within, instead of realizing what he had and changing the plan accordingly.

    I’ll go out on a limb and predict he has a very similar off season this year. Minor trades of prospects, maybe a pick. No major players in or out. If it’s a winger, look for other team’s spare parts with upside. If it’s a RHD D, look for a damaged prospect. He, or we, simply can’t afford another behind the woodshed trade, unless they were OKed from the highest level…….

  49. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woogie63,

    – 7.5mm for 2 players if you bridge nurse @$2.5.

  50. jtblack says:

    Svechnikov is a Gunner. .9 Goals Per Game.

    Who is the last draft prospect to average that high of GPG?
    Connor did.
    Anybody else??

  51. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    If, and admittedly it’s a substantial ‘if’, Chiarelli can trade Klefbom and get full value, why would you not consider that trade?

    Plain and simple, Oscar is injury prone,. There’s undeniably talent there but it’s coupled with the prospensity to miss time in the lineup or having to play at less than full capability.

    I appreciate the player, but if Chiarelli could get fair value back in trade, I think swapping out a glass slipper for a work boot is not necessarily a bad thing.

    Klef’s injury history is a real concern and a legit reason to trade him. But I remember Markov could never stay healthy until he did. If we trade Klef though this is probdbly the worst time to do it.

  52. russ99 says:

    smellyglove:
    Right hand D
    Is for Me

    Draft Boquist or Bouchard
    And you will see

    The Oilers prosper
    with authority

    And we won’t see
    NHL impact till year 3

  53. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Jethro Tull,

    – The only way he gets a stud rhd though is to trade rnh +

    – if the get this mythical beast then klef or nurse has to go as well

    – I’m with you in that chia is likely to tinker and he lives or dies on that sword

    – but the faulk opportunity or oel (I know lefty) means a lot of moves

    – if only we had Shultz as a 3rhd.

  54. Andy Dufresne says:

    The scenrio is almost always posed as being binary. Either BPA or Draft for Need.

    Is it possible/probable that who they draft is in large part contingent on who they trade and what they get in return?

    If they trade Klef or Nuge for a RHD then they draft a Forward Dont they?

    If they trade Klef or Nuge for a Scoring Foward then they draft a RHD Dont they?

    Assuming these options are available when they pick (which is looking good right now)

  55. russ99 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Jethro Tull,

    – The only way he gets a stud rhd though is to trade rnh +

    – if the get this mythical beast then klef or nurse has to go as well

    – I’m with you in that chia is likely to tinkerand he lives or dies on that sword

    – but the faulk opportunity or oel (I know lefty) means a lot of moves

    – if only we had Shultz as a 3rhd.

    I’m willing to live with Nuge for RHD and Klef for a shooter at wing. I don’t see much of an alternative other than more years of losing at this point.

    The thing that bothers me is if Klef’s poor season is due to injury, what can he be when he’s healthy? And yet he’s never been healthy as an Oiler. Are the injuries chronic or is he having equipment issues again?

    So much is unknown.

  56. --hudson-- says:

    NHL Player Poll
    https://www.nhlpa.com/player-poll/2017-18

    No questions on the best GM. The two most popular assistant coaches ready to be head coach are DJ Smith (now with Toronto, formerly Windsor) and ex-Oiler Todd Reirden.

    Quite a few Oiler things including Rogers with the second best ice to Montreal and McDavid being one of the best players to build around.

  57. JimmyV1965 says:

    Glass:
    Can we just fix our defense please? Tired of drafting forwards and not giving them help from the back end. We have McDavid, Draisaitl, Yamamoto, and Puljujarvi. That’s a solid foundation. If Lucic can pick it up and we sign a stop-gap LW we’ll be in an okay position.

    Trading Klefbomb is a real possibility due to the Russell and Sekera contracts. If that happens, it’s a major set back. We can stack our forward core but it will do us no good if we don’t have the D to back them up.

    I suspect real damage will be done at the end of the season. Chia dug himself a hole. He can wait a year, keep core players like Nuge & Klef and sell Sekera at the end of next season, giving us breathing room cap wise. Or he can trade Klef for a winger/Nuge for a D in an attempt to save his job but crippling our future in the process.

    I would rather Chia do what he can to keep Klefbomb. Lets not forget how great he was last season. As much as I love Nuge, we have McDavid and Draisaitl. If we’re looking at cap relief, I start at Nuge and not Klefbomb.

    x / McDavid / Yamamoto
    Lucic / Draisaitl / Puljujarvi

    ~

    Klefbomb/Larsson
    Nurse/?
    ?/Bear

    A Boqvist/Bouchard would be nice.

    I think we will likely draft a dman in the first round, but I don’t think you can lock yourself into a position. I would say 50% of the best dmen in this league are taken after the first round. The Hurricanes have a nice group and Hannifin is the only one picked in the first round. I believe that none of the top 4 dmen in Nashville were picked in the first round. Oops. Ellis was taken late in the first.

    The Oilers are weak on defence because we have not picked one top 4 guy outside the first round, with the exception of Petry, who we traded. Until we start drafting and developing dmen outside the first round, our defence will never be great. Having said that, I think Chia has done a good job drafting dmen and we will actually start graduating late round picks in two to three years from now.

  58. Bag of Pucks says:

    hunter1909: As long as the Oilers are entering the playoffs as a Cinderella team, you want to keep hold of that glass slipper.

    Cue rim shot here ; )

  59. Andy Dufresne says:

    russ99: I’m willing to live with Nuge for RHD and Klef for a shooter at wing. I don’t see much of an alternative other than more years of losing at this point.

    The thing that bothers me is if Klef’spoor season is due to injury, what can he be when he’s healthy? And yet he’s never been healthy as an Oiler. Are the injuries chronic or is he having equipment issues again?

    So much is unknown.

    AND a realistic return in trade HAS TO take his injury history into concideration. Some people around here dont like 90cents on the dollar. But they may not be realistic in their valuation. There is no such thing in real time as a potential dollar….an often injured 2nd pairing Dman with one good season followed by one bad season is only worth 90cents on the dollar of his perceived potential value. Thats just a fact.

    So hopefully Carolina given there circumstances values Justin Faulk at 90cents on the dollar given hes now 2nd pair and had a down year .

    Or Colorado given Tyson Barrie has been off of his career high for two years now, is two years older than Klef has a higher cap hit and is only under control for two more years vs Klefs 5 more years. Maybe they view Barrie at 90cents compared to Klef.

    Klefboms biggest value comes from his contract AVV and term. We have to hope that Sakic values the contract AND has some belief that Klef will rebound AND is willing to look past his injury history.

    If we are looking at this in real time and not as “potential” then Barrie seems like fair return for Klef given that Barrie is a known entity and Klef is not (given his play this year and injury history).

    If Chia gets Barrie for Klef I consider that to be at least fair value. And perhaps a Win.

  60. Andy Dufresne says:

    Looch should get sick every time we play a small fast eastern based team…..thats just good coaching.

  61. Wilde says:

    I dunno if Klefbom qualifies as injury prone.

    His 2015-16 injury was a staph infection, and this shoulder thing would have been rehabbed long ago, he literally came into October injured.

    Instead they’ve been pinning him with cortisone and riding him the 2nd most TOI on the season. (He’s only 20 minutes behind Nurse) He also had horrific goaltending and hasn’t had the best partner for him for much of the year. Guess who coincidentaly has shared the most minutes with our best RHD? Who has now made Klef expendable?

    If we had OEL for this season, people would be on him too.

    He had a horrific half-year following grieving his mother’s death and was *also* getting terrible goaltending.

    Judging by how Klef gets treated, the fans would have eaten OEL alive for his -40 or whatever it was.

    The only trade of Klefbom I’d support is if we straight up got the exact same thing in return., young, bargain contract for years and years, top six forward or top four D.

    I’m talking Nino Niederreiter, Alex Wennberg, etc.

    Sounds too unrealistic to be a talking point after we have (and continue to) tank the shit out of Oscar’s value.

  62. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Hi LT,

    #69 Jay O’Brien is RC, not RD

  63. Pretendergast says:

    Hall
    Barzal

    If your comment has these words its been said

  64. Bag of Pucks says:

    Jethro Tull: I disagree.The verbal from Chia was that they thought last season was unexpected, so they were going to stick with the plan of developing.So he sat on his hands instead of correctly reassessing what he had.Therefore he didn’t improve the team at a time when he needed to or should have.

    One thing, among others, that Chia has been bad at is the real time assessment of where his team is.He has a plan, and no matter the product on the ice, he’s sticking with it.

    It’s because he doesn’t think he’s close to a cup is the reason why he didn’t expend assets to get better.He’s stuck to the plan of clearing salary and developing from within, instead of realizing what he had and changing the plan accordingly.

    I’ll go out on a limb and predict he has a very similar off season this year.Minor trades of prospects, maybe a pick.No major players in or out.If it’s a winger, look for other team’s spare parts with upside.If it’s a RHD D, look for a damaged prospect.He, or we, simply can’t afford another behind the woodshed trade, unless they were OKed from the highest level…….

    But a Devil’s advocate could argue that those counseling Chiarelli to spend to the cap to acquire depth fillers like Jagr, Franson and insert name of favourite backup goaltender for this season were wrong as well.

    Because that contention assumes this team was actually in a position to viably compete for a Cup, when as we’ve all seen, that couldn’t be further from the case.

    None of those players are longterm solutions, and putting them in the lineup prevents you from potentially finding out what you have at the pro level with the likes of Kharia, Caggiula, Benning, Brossoit, etc.

    One of the lone benefits of this lost season is we have clearer separation now between prospects and suspects and that will inform the procurement priorities for this offseason. That doesn’t happen if you’re filling out the edges of the roster with bandaid solutions. It also would’ve eaten up more contract slots and made in season moves like Davidson or Montoya more difficult.

    One behavioural characteristic that most NHL fans share is we’re much more comfortable with our GM signing FAs than we are in them making trades. Primarily I suspect, because FAs are seen as low risk found money with no asset spent to acquire them. But as the Lucic signing shows us, the wrong FA signings can be every bit as punitive as a poor trade and they’re typically very poor decisions from a cap and asset management pov, cos you’re almost always overpaying in the free agency market.

    But most importantly, you don’t sign players like Jagr and Franson cos they no longer move the needle performance wise. And this is where the armchair QBing becomes highly questionable imo cos where are all the guys who were advocating for these signings that will now admit that those were bad ideas in hindsight? Nowhere to be found. In short, they’ll pile on Chiarelli’s mistakes in hindsight but are quiet as a mouse when it comes to their own failed prognostications.

    Hey all the power to you if you hated the Reinhart trade and actively lobbied from Barzal from Day 1. MacKenzie’s list is your friend and kudos to you. But by the same token, if you lobbied bigtime for drafting Bennett over Draisaitl and have quietly distanced yourself from that ever since, then maybe that misjudgement helps to better inform your perspective on the difficulty of Chiarelli’s job and the inherent difficulty of trying to predict the future. Btw, I’m not trying to give Pete credit for drafting Leon here, just illustrating how difficult these decisions can be for a GM and how easily even following the consensus rankings can blow up in your face.

  65. Chris says:

    Thanks for sharing. To be honest, I found nothing in that story but profound sadness for Ichiro. There is dedication and commitment, and then there’s sickness.

    Pouzar:
    Big Time Sidebar:

    But for those baseball fans this in an unreal feature story on Ichiro.

    http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/22624561/ichiro-suzuki-return-seattle-mariners-resolve-internal-battle

  66. Bag of Pucks says:

    Further to my last post, there was a great post yesterday comparing Jesse’s development with that of Mark Messier. It begs the question, would Sather have gone out a signed a vet winger to impede Mark’s icetime during his initial development?

    I think history has shown that in fact Sather played the kids, then played the kids, then played them some more.

    Now, the obvious caveat here is you have to have enough belief in the prospect’s upper ceiling to justify that icetime and the mistakes they’re going to make via this approach, but if it’s a lottery pick like Puli, I would daresay your icetime is better spending developing that future stud than it is playing Jagr on his final days riding into the sunset.

  67. Andy Dufresne says:

    Wilde:
    I dunno if Klefbom qualifies as injury prone.

    His 2015-16 injury was a staph infection, and this shoulder thing would have been rehabbed long ago, he literally came into October injured.

    Instead they’ve been pinning him with cortisone and riding him the 2nd most TOI on the season. (He’s only 20 minutes behind Nurse) He also had horrific goaltending and hasn’t had the best partner for him for much of the year. Guess who coincidentaly has shared the most minutes with our best RHD? Who has now made Klef expendable?

    If we had OEL for this season, people would be on him too.

    He had a horrific half-year following grieving his mother’s death and was *also* getting terrible goaltending.

    Judging by how Klef gets treated, the fans would have eaten OEL alive for his -40 or whatever it was.

    The only trade of Klefbom I’d support is if we straight up got the exact same thing in return., young, bargain contract for years and years, top six forward or top four D.

    I’m talking Nino Niederreiter, Alex Wennberg, etc.

    Sounds too unrealistic to be a talking point after we have (and continue to) tank the shir out of Oscar’s value.

    These are all good and valid points. So what you can conclude is that Oscar will probably be a victim of his own poor play, untimely maladies, poor goaltending, poor team play, a leftorium, and timing.

    Your explanation which is accurate leaves both you and I (as you stated/felt) feeling a bit uncertain about the return.

    Your (and many peoples) vision of Oscar does not equate/match up wtih his actual trade value IMHO. So you should maybe look for a return that equates to 85 or 90% of your perceived value. Fair?

  68. frjohnk says:

    Wilde:
    I dunno if Klefbom qualifies as injury prone.

    His 2015-16 injury was a staph infection, and this shoulder thing would have been rehabbed long ago, he literally came into October injured.

    Instead they’ve been pinning him with cortisone and riding him the 2nd most TOI on the season. (He’s only 20 minutes behind Nurse) He also had horrific goaltending and hasn’t had the best partner for him for much of the year. Guess who coincidentaly has shared the most minutes with our best RHD? Who has now made Klef expendable?

    If we had OEL for this season, people would be on him too.

    He had a horrific half-year following grieving his mother’s death and was *also* getting terrible goaltending.

    Judging by how Klef gets treated, the fans would have eaten OEL alive for his -40 or whatever it was.

    The only trade of Klefbom I’d support is if we straight up got the exact same thing in return., young, bargain contract for years and years, top six forward or top four D.

    I’m talking Nino Niederreiter, Alex Wennberg, etc.

    Sounds too unrealistic to be a talking point after we have (and continue to) tank the shir out of Oscar’s value.

    6 years at $4.1M is a good contract for a guy that is a 2nd pairing Dman.
    6 years at $4.1M is a fantastic contract for a guy that is a top pairing Dman.

    When you figure out the length of the contract, potential of the player and GM’s inability to get close to full value in big deals, dealing Klefbom would probably blow up in the Oilers face.

    Oilers need to stop dealing players that can make a difference, and deal the players that make less of a difference.

    Dmen do not always develop in straight lines. Imagine a scenario in which we trade Klefbom and next year Nurse has an injury plagued/down year. Add to that scenario that Sekera does not revert back to before his injury.

    Oilers should be adding to the foundation of Nurse, Klefbom and Larsson on the back end, not subtracting from it.

  69. Bag of Pucks says:

    Just occured to me that if you’re upset the Oilers didn’t draft Barzal, the consensus BPA by MacKenzie’s list at that slot, then you should be equally dissatisfied the Oilers bypassed Bennett (consensus BPA) to draft Draisaitl. That’s logical right! ; )

  70. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Bag of Pucks: But a Devil’s advocate could argue that those counseling Chiarelli to spend to the cap to acquire depth fillers like Jagr, Franson and insert name of favourite backup goaltender for this season were wrong as well.

    None of those players are longterm solutions, and putting them in the lineup prevents you from potentially finding out what you have at the pro level with the likes of Kharia, Caggiula, Benning, Brossoit, etc.

    One of the lone benefits of this lost season is we have clearer separation now between prospects and suspects and that will inform the procurement priorities for this offseason.

    – This is a good take. Whether you thought this team was good enough as composed (and really we all did see this as min. playoff team, save Yeti. Vegas thought it, as did pundits: find one article that predicted this result), or whether Chia Coach et al actually felt the expectations were too high and they knew it (there is evidence to support this), we are far better off knowing that:

    1) Pool is bonafide, still work in progress
    2) Jar is bonafide, and at least a 4C or Winger
    3) Sleppy: well I don’t know what they have figure out with him!
    4) Caggs: borderline 4rth line energy guy @ $1MM
    5) Strome: certainly could be 3C if we trade Nuge: we know what he is at least. PK huge
    6) Nurse: still progressing, not shut-down
    7) Benning: adequate 3RHD, better fit than Davidson
    8) Brossoit: didn’t step up when Talbot went down

    – That’s 8 players, that with the Jagrs and Fransons and other back-ups, you don’t get enough reps for them IMO.

    – Now the thinking was these 8, and the existing D corps, and Maroon and Lucic, and RNH: all that with CmD, and Drai: good to go.

    – We are just going to be trying to find the secret sauce going forward with these other players.

    – And by far, get a good goalie: whether thats our D system or what: stop the fng puck…

    – We certainly weren’t going to win with hindsight with Jagr and Franson, so the team would rather this intel: less question marks next year as well…

  71. godot10 says:

    Pretendergast:
    Hall
    Barzal

    If your comment has these words its been said

    Repetition is the mother of all learning.

  72. Jethro Tull says:

    Bag of Pucks: But a Devil’s advocate could argue that those counseling Chiarelli to spend to the cap to acquire depth fillers like Jagr, Franson and insert name of favourite backup goaltender for this season were wrong as well.

    Because that contention assumes this team was actually in a position to viably compete for a Cup, when as we’ve all seen, that couldn’t be further from the case.

    None of those players are longterm solutions, and putting them in the lineup prevents you from potentially finding out what you have at the pro level with the likes of Kharia, Caggiula, Benning, Brossoit, etc.

    One of the lone benefits of this lost season is we have clearer separation now between prospects and suspects and that will inform the procurement priorities for this offseason. That doesn’t happen if you’re filling out the edges of the roster with bandaid solutions. It also would’ve eaten up more contract slots and made in season moves like Davidson or Montoya more difficult.

    One behavioural characteristic that most NHL fans share is we’re much more comfortable with our GM signing FAs than we are in them making trades. Primarily I suspect, because FAs are seen as low risk found money with no asset spent to acquire them. But as the Lucic signing shows us, the wrong FA signings can be every bit as punitive as a poor trade and they’re typically very poor decisions from a cap and asset management pov, cos you’re almost always overpaying in the free agency market.

    But most importantly, you don’t sign players like Jagr and Franson cos they no longer move the needle performance wise. And this is where the armchair QBing becomes highly questionable imo cos where are all the guys who were advocating for these signings that will now admit that those were bad ideas in hindsight? Nowhere to be found. In short, they’ll pile on Chiarelli’s mistakes in hindsight but are quiet as a mouse when it comes to their own failed prognostications.

    Hey all the power to you if you hated the Reinhart trade and actively lobbied from Barzal from Day 1. MacKenzie’s list is your friend and kudos to you. But by the same token, if you lobbied bigtime for drafting Bennett over Draisaitl and have quietly distanced yourself from that ever since, then maybe that perspective helps to better inform your perspective on the difficulty of Chiarelli’s job and the inherent difficulty of trying to predict the future.

    I feel this post is a good one that should stand alone from mine, as it kind of frames my issue – I wasn’t on about signing those types of players. I always aim as high as I can talent wise. I’m more veering to Chia either being unwilling or unable to adapt in real time. Last year’s team surprised. But did management once again ‘smartest men in the room’ (SMitR) themselves into making incorrect decisions? The team clearly wasn’t what they thought it was, but they convinced themselves to have the courage of their convictions, and instead of improving, bled talent.

    Chia made too many bets on guys that had career years last year – a simple cross reference with their career PDO might have changed things. Bets I liked? Klef staying good. JP starting in Bako and getting called up. Yama’s cup of coffee. Nurse improving. Jujar Binks!

    Bets I didn’t? The youngun’s filling the void of Eberle’s offence. A youngster emerging as Connor’s wingman. Jussi. That someone would fill Sekera’s boots. Cags can play the ice hockeys.

    Things he can’t have foreseen: Looch sitting at the head of his own table. PP woes at start of season. PK bad at a historical level (no hyperbole, either!). Klef actually regressing. The 4th line disappearing up it’s own arse.

    The Oilers management seem to have an almost mystical ability that is passed from regime to regime of not being able to find their ass with both hands and a map.

  73. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Further to my last post, there was a great post yesterday comparing Jesse’s development with that of Mark Messier. It begs the question, would Sather have gone out a signed a vet winger to impede Mark’s icetime during his initial development?

    I think has history has shown that in fact Sather played the kids, then played the kids, then played them some more.

    Now, the obvious caveat here is you have to have enough belief in the prospect’s upper ceiling to justify that icetime and the mistakes they’re going to make via this approach, but if it’s a lottery pick like Puli, I would daresay your icetime is better spending developing that future stud than it is playing Jagr on his final days riding into the sunset.

    LT has compared his “upside” to that of Jere Lehtonin, 45 pt two way winger. That sounds reasonable to me and would represent good to great value for the Oilers.

    Messier seems like huge reach on every level. We can hope but thats definitely a long shot.

    I think Draisaitl has more potential to approach a Messier type career than JP.

    BUT if JP even reaches 80% of Messier levels….with Conner and Leon….look out NHL…..

    I need to go back and look for the post that makes the case youre referring to. Cause I really want Jessie to succeed and any data that supports a bright future is music to my ears.

  74. Gayfish says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Just occured to me that if you’re upset the Oilers didn’t draft Barzal, the consensus BPA by MacKenzie’s list at that slot, then you should be equally dissatisfied the Oilers bypassed Bennett (consensus BPA) to draft Draisaitl. That’s logical right! ; )

    Could make that argument if we were complaining about taking Connor over Barzal. You could also make the analogy that Oiler fans would be irrationally upset about giving away Draisaitl for an AHL player. I think most people would admit to being wrong (I wanted Bennett until the pullup thing). That said, if you go against consensus and eff up, you are an idiot.

  75. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Just occured to me that if you’re upset the Oilers didn’t draft Barzal, the consensus BPA by MacKenzie’s list at that slot, then you should be equally dissatisfied the Oilers bypassed Bennett (consensus BPA) to draft Draisaitl. That’s logical right! ; )

    I think you are missing the point. Not many people would be upset if the Oilers had drafted Kyle Connor. People are upset because Chiarelli traded the two picks, and didn’t make the two picks.

    We would have been upset if MacT had traded the pick rather than drafting Draisaitl or Bennett.

  76. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Just occured to me that if you’re upset the Oilers didn’t draft Barzal, the consensus BPA by MacKenzie’s list at that slot, then you should be equally dissatisfied the Oilers bypassed Bennett (consensus BPA) to draft Draisaitl. That’s logical right! ; )

    Thank you! x 1000

    Im printing your post, framing it and putting on my wall.

  77. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ArmchairGM: Bouc

    LT mentioned a while back after I commented on Bouchard that he isn’t a great skater. That can be a killer at the NHL level if true especially for an offensive type.

  78. ArmchairGM says:

    Andy Dufresne: AND a realistic return in trade HAS TO take his injury history into concideration. Some people around here dont like 90cents on the dollar. But they may not be realistic in their valuation. There is no such thing in real time as a potential dollar….an often injured 2nd pairing Dman with one good season followed by one bad season is only worth 90cents on the dollar of his perceived potential value.Thats just a fact.

    So hopefully Carolina given there circumstances values Justin Faulk at 90cents on the dollar given hes now 2nd pair and had a down year .

    Or Colorado given Tyson Barrie has been off of his career high for two years now, is two years older than Klef has a higher cap hit and is only under control for two more years vs Klefs 5 more years. Maybe they view Barrie at 90cents compared to Klef.

    Klefboms biggest value comes from his contract AVV and term. We have to hope that Sakic values the contract AND has some belief that Klef will rebound AND is willing to look past his injury history.

    If we are looking at this in real time and not as “potential” then Barrie seems like fair return for Klef given that Barrie is a known entity and Klef is not (given his play this year and injury history).

    If Chia gets Barrie for Klef I consider that to be at least fair value. And perhaps a Win.

    Except we know that Sakic and Francis will never sell assets at less than 100 cents on the dollar. Why is it that everyone expects the Oilers to do so?

  79. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Jethro Tull,

    -Jussi was widely viewed as a smart pick up of a guy who had a bad season and bad PDO

    – Jussi was the “bring in vet” move. And better move for Chia to move fast and get Cami

  80. Andy Dufresne says:

    frjohnk: 6 years at $4.1M is agood contract for a guy that is a 2nd pairing Dman.
    6 years at $4.1M is a fantastic contract for a guy that is a top pairing Dman.

    When you figure out the length of the contract, potential of the player and GM’s inability to get close to full value in big deals, dealing Klefbom would probably blow up in the Oilers face.

    Oilers need to stop dealing players that can make a difference, and deal the players that make less of a difference.

    Dmen do not always develop in straight lines.Imagine a scenario in which we trade Klefbom and next year Nurse has an injury plagued/down year.Add to that scenario that Sekera does not revert back to before his injury.

    Oilers should be adding to the foundation of Nurse, Klefbom and Larsson on the back end, not subtracting from it.

    I complertly agree with the first two lines…..the real value of Oscar Klefbom today is that contract…..Thank you Chia.

  81. Andy Dufresne says:

    ArmchairGM: Except we know that Sakic and Francis will never sell assets at less than 100 cents on the dollar. Why is it that everyone expects the Oilers to do so?

    Im not sure its true…but it is a fair point….So youre thinking theres no way we get Barrie for Klefbom?

  82. Jethro Tull says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Jethro Tull,

    -Jussi was widely viewed as a smart pick up of a guy who had a bad season and bad PDO

    – Jussi was the “bring in vet” move.And better move for Chia to move fast and get Cami

    Jussi had one leg, a wall eye, gout, the jitters, the eebie-jeebies, foot and mouth, bovine TB.

    He was that car you see for sale that when you grew up was a really good car, and then you see one for sale. The ad says that they had no trouble until last year, when the back axle fell off and the head gasket went. But they sank money into it! And dammit, your tempted, because, you know, it was a good car back in the day……

  83. Wilde says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    I could project what I think they’ll get, based on Chiarelli’s history… but I don’t see the point.

    I don’t even think I’m being unrealistic in evaluating Klefbom.

    Last year happened. He was our best defenseman, and one of the best in the league, played 82(!!!) games, produced ES offense just shy of top 30 level, limited chances against while taking 6 penalty minutes all season in 82(!!!!injury prone?!?!?!) games, with 20+ minutes a night.

    Travis Hamonic was never as good as Klefbom, had a down year miles worse than 77’s current one(also wasn’t playing injured), then fetched a first and two seconds.

  84. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Further to my last post, there was a great post yesterday comparing Jesse’s development with that of Mark Messier. It begs the question, would Sather have gone out a signed a vet winger to impede Mark’s icetime during his initial development?

    I think history has shown that in fact Sather played the kids, then played the kids, then played them some more.

    Now, the obvious caveat here is you have to have enough belief in the prospect’s upper ceiling to justify that icetime and the mistakes they’re going to make via this approach, but if it’s a lottery pick like Puli, I would daresay your icetime is better spending developing that future stud than it is playing Jagr on his final days riding into the sunset.

    Messier was an all time great but doesn’t consider himself a great scorer. He finished 1.07 PPG, .4 G/PG even with all those years in the scoring era.

    I doubt JP has Messier’s savagery which was a big part of his dominance, but really strong two way players are major contributors to winning. I just hope JP is better than a .5 PPG player.

  85. flea says:

    The only way I see the Oilers winning a Klefbom deal is if they have a better d man coming back. If they can somehow get OEL (signed) for Klefbom, you do that deal everyday.

  86. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Jethro Tull: Jussi had one leg, a wall eye, gout, the jitters, the eebie-jeebies, foot and mouth, bovine TB.

    He was that car you see for sale that when you grew up was a really good car, and then you see one for sale.The ad says that they had no trouble until last year, when the back axle fell off and the head gasket went.But they sank money into it!And dammit, your tempted, because, you know, it was a good car back in the day……

    – Yeah but he was better than Jagr: who was another vet we should have picked up…

    – LT has said that getting not signing more vets to max the salary cap at start of year is a fireable offence. Which vets?

    – And thinking that these vets would have made the difference, that’s an awesome crystal ball

  87. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10Not many people would be upset if the Oilers had drafted Kyle Connor.

    I think you’d be surprised. Second guessing the draft is a seriously favourite pastime here : )

  88. hunter1909 says:

    ArmchairGM: Except we know that Sakic and Francis will never sell assets at less than 100 cents on the dollar. Why is it that everyone expects the Oilers to do so?

    I used to play poker and nearly always came out of 16 hour games with more money than I came in with. Other than game talk, I’d keep my normally big mouth wired shut the entire time. The reason? I’d watch my fellow players, some of who from time to time you would label “suckers”. Why? Because you’d notice how stupid their overall game was, and after a few dozen rounds it would really be obvious…once I dealt a sucker a Royal Flush(diamonds) and after everyone folded the “sucker” came away with only the ante which of course is not how you win at poker.

    Chiarelli’s in a similar situation with his 30 fellow GM’s. They too are playing a kind of poker game with each other, and Chiarelli’s really made himself a reputation as a sucker; particularly with the Seguin, Reinhart, and Hall trades. In short, no one wants to give Chiarelli an even deal anymore, because it’s simply not done that good players allow suckers to win anything. I wish I understood why, but since I do not let me leave it at that.

    The mere fact that the Oilers higher ups don’t even recognize or even care about this most fundamental law of horse trading is a giant sized “tell” all by itself.

  89. Andy Dufresne says:

    Wilde:
    Andy Dufresne,

    I could project what I think they’ll get, based on Chiarelli’s history… but I don’t see the point.

    I don’t even think I’m being unrealistic in evaluating Klefbom.

    Last year happened. He was our best defenseman, and one of the best in the league, played 82(!!!) games, produced ES offense just shy of top 30 level, limited chances against while taking 6 penalty minutes all season in 82(!!!!injury prone?!?!?!) games, with 20+ minutes a night.

    Travis Hamonic was never as good as Klefbom, had a down year miles worse than 77’s current one(also wasn’t playing injured), then fetched a first and two seconds.

    potiltey…..Im not asking you to predict waht Chiarelli will do….Im asking you for your assessment of Oscars value on the trade market TODAY…..not “if he recovers next year” but right now if youre dealing with Sakic or Francis……given Klefboms history of maladies and his poor season what would be fair or reasonable return…..your own analysis left you feeling strange about even bringing up Niederrieder for example……so is Barrie a fair return? a win? a loss?

  90. hunter1909 says:

    Jethro Tull: The Oilers management seem to have an almost mystical ability that is passed from regime to regime of not being able to find their ass with both hands and a map.

    I used to follow the EPL and remember Newcastle’s fans used to be perpetually up in arms, as their idiot owner constantly meddled and screwed everything up for the team. Now I follow the Oilers and sometimes get this crazy idea to go up north and sell ice, door to door.

  91. Andy Dufresne says:

    Bag of Pucks: I think you’d be surprised. Second guessing the draft is a seriously favourite pastime here : )

    +1 It borders on being bizarre doesnt it.

  92. Andy Dufresne says:

    Gayfish: Could make that argument if we were complaining about taking Connor over Barzal. You could also make the analogy that Oiler fans would be irrationally upset about giving away Draisaitl for an AHL player. I think most people would admit to being wrong (I wanted Bennett until the pullup thing). That said, if you go against consensus and eff up, you are an idiot.

    I wouldnt throw around the word idiot so casually if I were you given that youre completely missing the logic that is being posited.

  93. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    All these things about Ichiro have been known/suspected for a long time, just never reported in the Western media.

    His dad was a monster by all accounts–selfish–took all the joy of baseball from Ichiro.

    Ichiro was not physically gifted–he is more a master craftsman in the sense that it takes 10,000 hours to become a master at anything and he honed his craft more than any other baseball player had ever done.

    But there has been so little joy in Ichiro’s playing career, and so much pressure he heaps on himself. You could see it when he barely broke .300 (finished at .303) and “only” got 206 hits in 2005, the year after he had hit .372 and an all-time record 262 hits. He was putting enormous pressure on himself.

    Japanese media in his rookie year one night infamously tried to set him up by allegedly having a woman try to meet him at a hotel room in Oakland to get him to have an affair with her.

    He was never a media darling in Japan until he crossed to the majors–that’s one thing that the article overlooks. No one outside Kobe cared about his team, Orix. Hideki Matsui of the Tokyo Giants was a much, much bigger star. It was only when Ichiro conquered America that he became the transcendent superstar that he is now.

    Japanese culture is, as a whole, an OCD culture. I, too, am afflicted by perfectionism that leads my “highs” on accomplished goals to be fleeting and short-lived, while I magnify my failures or shortcomings over and over again. It was brutal as a trader who took things personally every time luck caused something to happen, and it is brutal as a photographer whenever I get rejected on a submission. I make it in to about half of every competition I enter, which is probably a prolific number, but I think I am not very good at what I do if I don’t get in, and boy do the rejections hurt.

    I cannot imagine a world where 70% of all my hits are failures and that makes me an all-star.

  94. jtblack says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Further to my last post, there was a great post yesterday comparing Jesse’s development with that of Mark Messier. It begs the question, would Sather have gone out a signed a vet winger to impede Mark’s icetime during his initial development?

    I think history has shown that in fact Sather played the kids, then played the kids, then played them some more.

    Now, the obvious caveat here is you have to have enough belief in the prospect’s upper ceiling to justify that icetime and the mistakes they’re going to make via this approach, but if it’s a lottery pick like Puli, I would daresay your icetime is better spending developing that future stud than it is playing Jagr on his final days riding into the sunset.

    Hindsight works well when you pick a Top 10 player of all time.

    Krueger played Yak?
    Cody Hodgson got played in Van.
    Weight is trying to play Ho-Sang (but hes back in the Minors)

    If the basis of your comparison is a HHOF player, almost anything will correlate in Hindsight.

  95. Andy Dufresne says:

    jtblack: Hindsight works well when you pick a Top 10 player of all time.

    Krueger played Yak?
    Cody Hodgson got played in Van.
    Weight is trying to play Ho-Sang (but hes back in the Minors)

    If the basis of your comparison is a HHOF player, almost anything will correlate in Hindsight.

    Remember when Yak was the next Pavel Bure…..ahhh….the good old days.

  96. frjohnk says:

    Yikes.

    On the radio right now.

    “Will the Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson trade be one of the worst ones in NHL history?”

    Wow. It’s not being talked about being a poor trade anymore.

  97. Wilde says:

    Also, woohoo a draft post.

    I was just in the middle of a write-up on how Wahlstrom stacks up in goal-scoring, but my page froze.

    Unfortunate.

    The reason I still like Quinn Hughes over Ty Smith, Bouchard, Dobson (non-Boqvist division) the best for this team is that he can skate the puck so well and has the intelligence to know when and where to drop it off.

    This Oilers team really, really struggles with getting the puck through the neutral zone when 97 is off the ice especially now that Nurse plays so much with McDavid. Todd being gone should help with that, too going forward though.

    I think he can really help there, starting at draft +2. One more year of college and he can probably play on our third pairing, after the 2019 summer during which EDM should deal out the third leftie. (Hopefully Russell or Sekera)

  98. RonnieB says:

    LT
    You wrote that you haven’t ranked a D 1st since 2009.
    I’m curious about who you ranked ahead of Aaron Ekblad in 2014.

  99. Lowetide says:

    RonnieB:
    LT
    You wrote that you haven’t ranked a D 1st since 2009.
    I’m curious about who you ranked ahead of Aaron Ekblad in 2014.

    https://lowetide.ca/2014/06/23/2014-final-top-30-and-mactmatty/

  100. Gayfish says:

    Andy Dufresne: I wouldnt throw around the word idiot so casually if I were you given that youre completely missing the logic that is being posited.

    I get the logic… It’s flawed. Choosing the wrong player vs burning picks are completely different scenarios.

  101. VOR says:

    Andy Dufresne: +1It borders on being bizarre doesnt it.

    Andy,

    I wanted to take time to respond to your golf question in detail and without being a smart ass. At least I think it was you who asked.

    What will happen the first time you step on a course and pick up a club in anger is what is known as sense memory will kick in. You will desperately want to use the grip your body remembers. It isn’t a good idea to try to change at that point.

    Classically what happens on return from long term injury is the first time you play you do better than you ever expected. Then the next time you play your game goes to hell. Changing grips will make it even more difficult to get your game back. Believe me after five years it will be a challenge no matter what but that is where the fun is.

    However, you will remember more than you think. For example it is likely you won’t be driving the ball very well at all at first but from say 60 feet and in you will remember the touch required. This is because fine motor skills persist longer than gross motor skills in our brains. But if you change your grip those fine motor memories are going to be misleading you and nothing but agony awaits. Now possibly you used a more conventional grip for your short game and you can discard my advice. Though I would still suggest you don’t change anything until you are playing regularly and feel natural on the course.

    At which point work with a CPGA teaching pro. Let them guide you through the switch. And remember video works wonders. I think you should ultimately switch because anyone who loves golf like you seem to should at least know what doing it “correctly” feels like.

    As for your self described inconsistency it is almost certainly bio-mechanical in nature. Your shot mechanics aren’t consistent. Most people aren’t and most aren’t consistent golfers. However, I see no reason to assume your grip, unorthodox as it may be, makes your other bio mechanical issues worse.

    Again, I’d recommend formal instruction and regular practice sessions whether or not you switch grips.

    This is an expensive approach but it pays for itself in increased enjoyment and understanding of the game.

    All of which being said golf is played in your head. You should work on your inner game from Day 1 of your return. Visualization, Attention Control Training, Meditation, Course Management and Improved Green Reading can all make up for bio-mechanical inconsistencies.

    I hope that helps.

  102. Wilde says:

    Andy Dufresne: potiltey…..Im not asking you to predict waht Chiarelli will do….Im asking you for your assessment of Oscars value on the trade market TODAY…..not “if he recovers next year” but right now if youre dealing with Sakic or Francis……given Klefboms history of maladies and his poor season what would be fair or reasonable return…..your own analysis left you feeling strange about even bringing up Niederrieder for example……so is Barrie a fair return?a win? a loss?

    Barrie’s at best a lateral move, one that I would be reasonably happy with, in particular considering the alternatives.

    Here’s the kicker, though…

    Klef is signed for 4.167 till 2022-23, when he will be 29.

    Barrie is signed for 5.500 till 2019-2020, when he will also be 29.

    Also, I think we’re at a misunderstanding here.

    I only think Niederreiter is an unrealistic return because of club history, not that it isn’t an even deal in a vacuum.

    And Oscar Klefbom is not injury prone, or having a particularly poor season.

    If they shut him down in October, he’d miss 15 games and then be at the level he was last year, except with worse goaltending. His offense would come back though, the difference between his shot and hard-pass with this shoulder injury compared to what it was last year is a brutal comparison. His hard, accurate passes are one of his greatest strengths and were part of the verbal on him coming into the 2011 draft. It hurts him a lot as a player to play with a shoulder injury.

    The fan’s perception of his season are pretty obviously driven by the first 20 games of the year, and by Talbot’s regression.

    There are a lot of good defensemen who would have tanked value going by what is a poor season by these standards.

    Here’s some D-men with worse performances this season in GF%:

    Karlsson – 38.9
    Letang – 41.1
    OEL – 41.2
    Skjei – 41.4
    Burns – 41.4
    Slavin – 42.0
    Spurgeon – 42.9
    Faulk – 43.2

    All of these guys, when there’s talks of trading them, still get an absolute haul on the armchair trade market.

    Why shouldn’t Klef?

  103. Jethro Tull says:

    hunter1909: I used to follow the EPL and remember Newcastle’s fans used to be perpetually up in arms, as their idiot owner constantly meddled and screwed everything up for the team. Now I follow the Oilers and sometimes get this crazy idea to go up north and sell ice, door to door.

    Howay the Lads! Toon Army!

    Used to enjoy watching David Ginola and Faustino Asprilla……….not to mention some guy called Alan She-ra or something. Wasn’t it Freddie Shepherd that used to own them?

    There’s many stories of owners using the teams as tax dumps and money laundries.

    Just look at my beloved Pompey….Leeds….and many others. And the kicker? The league docks points and fines the teams, even though these owners have left the club bankrupt and sold off all the stars. So it isn’t these owners that suffer. But the teams often are relegated into lower divisions, with lower TV money and mounting debt.

  104. Andy Dufresne says:

    VOR,

    Thank you VOR. It was me who inquired. I really appreciate the thoughful reply. And yes it does help. What youre suggesting perhaps should have been obvious to me…but it wasnt. Every step of your prescription makes sense to me.

    I think my mental block was coming from the fact that (in my internal conversation) I was only giving my self two options….keep my old grip…..or change over NOW to a conventional grip.

    Your suggested course of action makes the most sense to me. Thanks for that level of detail.

    Kind of you to help out a stranger. I wont wait too long to get those lessons in conjunction with the attempt at a conventional grip. Like you said…..once I acheive a speciifc comfort level after returning from my hiatus.

    Cheers.

  105. Andy Dufresne says:

    Wilde: Barrie’s at best a lateral move, one that I would be reasonably happy with, in particular considering the alternatives.

    Here’s the kicker, though…

    Klef is signed for 4.167 till 2022-23, when he will be 29.

    Barrie is signed for 5.500 till 2019-2020, when he will also be 29.

    Also, I think we’re at a misunderstanding here.

    I only think Niederreiter is an unrealistic return because of club history, not that it isn’t an even deal in a vacuum.

    And Oscar Klefbom is not injury prone, or having a particularly poor season.

    If they shut him down in October, he’d miss 15 games and then be at the level he was last year, except with worse goaltending. His offense would come back though, the difference between his shot and hard-pass with this shoulder injury compared to what it was last year is a brutal comparison. His hard, accurate passes are one of his greatest strengths and were part of the verbal on him coming into the 2011 draft. It hurts him a lot as a player to play with a shoulder injury.

    The fan’s perception of his season are pretty obviously driven by the first 20 games of the year, and by Talbot’s regression.

    There are a lot of good defensemen who would have tanked value going by what is a poor season by these standards.

    Here’s some D-men with worse performances this season in GF%:

    Karlsson – 38.9
    Letang – 41.1
    OEL – 41.2
    Skjei – 41.4
    Burns – 41.4
    Slavin – 42.0
    Spurgeon – 42.9
    Faulk – 43.2

    All of these guys, when there’s talks of trading them, still get an absolute haul on the armchair trade market.

    Why shouldn’t Klef?

    Wow….Thank you…..That is a compelling argument.

    You answered my question and youve definitely given me something to think about……

    My thinking was….It wont bother me if they trade him and get fair value….which is probably still true…..but now Im feeling that there is also reason to be more optimistic than I was if he stays. So thanks for that.

  106. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Andy Dufresne,

    Good questions, Mr. Dufresne.

    I was raised a perfectionist as a child. In my case, it was my Japanese mother vs. my much more laid-back Ontario farmer father. If I got 99% on a test, her response was always to immediately look at which question I answered incorrectly to determine where I went wrong.

    I remember the day in Grade Two when I got one word wrong on the daily spelling test we had in English class. It was the day my Canadian Grandmother Christine died. The word was “embarrassment,” of all things. I missed the second “r.” A gasp was heard all around the classroom–I had never gotten any word wrong in the daily spelling test of 20 words. I never got another one wrong since, but I still remember that.

    I think, or suspect, that my mother’s tendencies rubbed off on my father, but in his Canadian way, he liked to poke fun and make light of a situation, but I could not be that way.

    When we lived in Edmonton, I remember shagging flyballs in the field at Strathcona Park with my dad and his friend. One time there was a big fly I ran down–I dove, the ball was in–and then out of my glove again, barely tumbling out with the impact when I hit the ground. My dad and his friend lamented the “almost great” catch. But I was upset, tormented even. I made them try to replicate that exact same fly ball again for the next hour for me to try to do over. Of course, that was impossible. I was maybe 11 at the time.

    Another incident was at pitch and putt also in Edmonton, with my dad. I hit one to within two feet off the tee shot. I then three-putted for bogey and was furious. My Dad laughed and tried to have me see the humour in it, but I raged and did not speak to him the whole rest of the round and the drive home. I was 12.

    At the City Championships in Track and Field I was in the 800m final in Grade 7. I began the final turn on the second lap in last place, but I emptied the tank on a 180m sprint to the finish, I wound up 2nd, passing all but one runner, who was a mere 3 feet in front of me. I should have been happy with Silver, but my Dad said, in an encouraging way, “If the race had been ten metres longer you would have caught him. Good job!” All I could focus on was that I started my sprint ten metres too late.

    The fact I remember all these incidents tells me how much these failures tormented me from an early age. It was only later in life that I began to let that perfectionism go somewhat. Well after my dad was gone and my mom stopped trying to completely dictate my life (notice I said completely). It still tormented me in my career, even as I was a very successful (by longevity measures) trader. I could get 10 trades right but the one trade I got wrong would haunt me. Even now the one poorly performing stock in a portfolio bothers me much more than the seven good ones.

    Yes, I was always ambitious. That trading career began with 32 interns. I showed up, 19, by far the youngest. Everyone was a Stanford or MIT or Harvard grad. I knew nothing about what a stock or bond was. But I worked harder than everyone else and studied in the library before work at 5am and after work between 9pm and midnight every night. Two interns got job offers–the economy was quite bad then– I was one.

    Similarly I have a drive that I notice many of my current “emerging” colleagues in photography lack. I’ve become the subject of some jealousy by many, who have seen me receiving awards and accolades three years in that they’ve never received in ten years and in going for their MFAs. They think it has something to do with my financial resources or cite other reasons, when really all it is is that as much as it chews me up when I get rejected, I try and try again. I submit, I get feedback, I hone, I try again. And it works, about 50% of the time. It’s miserable for me, even at that. I am happiest making pictures. I am unhappy when having to try to eat with them or do something meaningful with them.

    Perfectionism is , overall, a curse. But without it, I think it is hard to achieve greatness. Notice I did not say it is impossible. Just that it is hard.

    When you get to Ichiro’s level, it is a giant world of pressure–dark and disturbing, and you feel terribly alone. No one can understand your plight, or so it seems, especially as perfectionists tend to be loners. I can’t imagine being him. Or I can, and that’s probably why I am so in awe of and sad for him at the same time.

  107. Nix says:

    smellyglove:
    Right hand D
    Is for Me

    Draft Boquist or Bouchard
    And you will see

    The Oilers prosper
    with authority

    A sniping shot,
    we have not got.

    That Wahlstrom kid,
    straight owns the slot.

    A web celeb,
    since just a tot.

  108. hunter1909 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Perfectionism is , overall, a curse. But without it, I think it is hard to achieve greatness. Notice I did not say it is impossible. Just that it is hard.

    Seeking perfection is a huge positive when it comes to learning music. That is, if learning music seriously means anything to a person to begin with.

  109. Wilde says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Good post, I’d rate it 9.9/10 😉

    ——————————————————————————————-

    The western theatre of the Great Tank war sees a marquee battle tonight, ARI vs VAN minus Boeser.

    team – pts % / / draft placing with highest odds / / odds of top 3 pick

    separated into tiers this time

    ARI – 0.392 / / 4th @ 51.9% / / 48.1%

    BUF – 0.401 / / 4th @ 33.7% / / 36.2%

    —————-

    OTT – 0.431 / / 5th @ 39.1% / / 31.2%

    VAN – 0.447 / / 6th @ 35.5% / / 28.6%

    —————-

    EDM – 0.455 / / 6th @ 32.8% / / 25.9%

    MTL – 0.462 / / 7th @ 38.2% / / 23.4%

    —————-

    DET – 0.478 / / 8th @ 39.7% / / 20.9%

    NYR – 0.492 / / 9th @ 38.1% / / 18.3%

    Chicago won and NYR lost last night, pushing them apart.

    Montreal lost, and Detroit picked up a point in a crazy game against Boston.

    Dom Luszczyszyn’s model has Detroit, Montreal and us all within one point of eachother at seasons end at around 76-77-78 points, and that seems about right.

    If some team were to go on a losing streak, however, I’d count Montreal as most likely to of that, with the opposite being true for the Oilers.

    It’s all goaltending from here on out, though. Raanta could pull up ARI into the OTT/VAN cluster, Lindgren could send MTL the opposite way, etc.

    For the Oilers winning streak, I’d say factors that would make this more likely include getting solid goaltending, a powerplay heating up, a top line sans Lucic doing the same, or one of the auditioning wingers going off for a few ES goals.

  110. N64 says:

    texmex: @EdmontonOilers
    48s49 seconds ago
    More
    Coach McLellan adds that @27MilanLucic is out with illness today & is questionable for tomorrow’s game.

    ~Poor guy is injured and Coach piles on and joins the rest of the internet in calling out Lucic ‘s game as questionable. ~

  111. Andy Dufresne says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Hey NYC. That sounds like a conundrum. At an exagerated level “The thing that you strive for is the thing that destroys you.”

    Have you ever thought about using your self described “curse” as a cure.

    What if your goals were becoming, for lack of a better word, a better person ( the road Ive been on for a number of years)

    For example what if your goals were to be (in no particular order)

    1) Courage
    2) Gratitude
    3) Generosity
    4) Humility

    Of course you would create your own list and have to action a plan for each…..but wouldnt your obsessive compulsive perfectionism drive results in these areas…which by thier nature…..would in turn make you a better/happier man.

    Not trying to fix you or anything….as you clearly dont need fixing….iits more a matter of curiosity…”is it even possible for life-long perfectionists to do something like this” or is perfectionism tied only to externalities? Athletic Performace, Porfolios, Photos, etc.

    Anyway, none of my business, ignore me if Im getting too personal but Im on this journey myself and Ive acheived some significant results..(or so I tell myself…still working on #4)..but then Im not a perfectionist.

    OK got to shut it down before other posters tell us to get a room. Ill let you have the last word if you are so disposed.

  112. Andy Dufresne says:

    Nix: Equipment allergy?

    HAAAAA! Haaaaa! Love it.

  113. Bank Shot says:

    Wilde:

    And Oscar Klefbom is not injury prone, or having a particularly poor season.

    If they shut him down in October, he’d miss 15 games and then be at the level he was last year, except with worse goaltending. His offense would come back though, the difference between his shot and hard-pass with this shoulder injury compared to what it was last year is a brutal comparison. His hard, accurate passes are one of his greatest strengths and were part of the verbal on him coming into the 2011 draft. It hurts him a lot as a player to play with a shoulder injury.

    I’m not sure if Klefbom was injured in his draft year but he only played 22 games.

    In 11/12 I believe he had a couple of minor injuries.
    In 12/13 he missed most of the season to injury.
    13/14 a few minor injuries.
    14/15- healthy
    15/16-injured.
    16/17- healthy
    17/18-played whole season partly injured apparently .

    If we can’t call Klefbom injury prone then no one is injury prone.

  114. Woogie63 says:

    In other news, Calgary Flames don’t have a pick until 2023.

    They have some defense options on the way, but they need young cheap forwards to help that bottom 6.

  115. Andy Dufresne says:

    N64: ~Poor guy is injured and Coach piles on and joins the rest of the internet in calling out Lucic ‘s game as questionable. ~

    Nice! 8.8/10

  116. Andy Dufresne says:

    Wilde:
    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),

    Good post, I’d rate it 9.9/10

    ——————————————————————————————-

    The western theatre of the Great Tank war sees a marquee battle tonight, ARI vs VAN minus Boeser.

    team– pts % / / draft placing with highest odds / / odds of top 3 pick

    separated into tiers this time

    ARI – 0.392 / / 4th @ 51.9% / / 48.1%

    BUF – 0.401 / / 4th @ 33.7% / / 36.2%

    —————-

    OTT – 0.431/ / 5th @ 39.1% / / 31.2%

    VAN – 0.447/ / 6th @ 35.5% / / 28.6%

    —————-

    EDM – 0.455/ / 6th @ 32.8% / / 25.9%

    MTL – 0.462/ / 7th @ 38.2% / / 23.4%

    —————-

    DET – 0.478/ / 8th @ 39.7% / / 20.9%

    NYR – 0.492 / / 9th @ 38.1% / / 18.3%

    Chicago won and NYR lost last night, pushing them apart.

    Montreal lost, and Detroit picked up a point in a crazy game against Boston.

    Dom Luszczyszyn’s model has Detroit, Montreal and us all within one point of eachother at seasons end at around 76-77-78 points, and that seems about right.

    If some team were to go on a losing streak, however, I’d count Montreal as most likely to of that, with the opposite being true for the Oilers.

    It’s all goaltending from here on out, though. Raanta could pull up ARI into the OTT/VAN cluster, Lindgren could send MTL the opposite way, etc.

    For the Oilers winning streak, I’d say factors that would make this more likely include getting solid goaltending, a powerplay heating up, a top line sans Lucic doing the same, or one of the auditioning wingers going off for a few ES goals.

    Thank You….for the regular updates….and for doing the math.

  117. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    No last word syndrome from me. Just a hat tip to you.

  118. who says:

    Andy Dufresne: AND a realistic return in trade HAS TO take his injury history into concideration. Some people around here dont like 90cents on the dollar. But they may not be realistic in their valuation. There is no such thing in real time as a potential dollar….an often injured 2nd pairing Dman with one good season followed by one bad season is only worth 90cents on the dollar of his perceived potential value.Thats just a fact.

    So hopefully Carolina given there circumstances values Justin Faulk at 90cents on the dollar given hes now 2nd pair and had a down year .

    Or Colorado given Tyson Barrie has been off of his career high for two years now, is two years older than Klef has a higher cap hit and is only under control for two more years vs Klefs 5 more years. Maybe they view Barrie at 90cents compared to Klef.

    Klefboms biggest value comes from his contract AVV and term. We have to hope that Sakic values the contract AND has some belief that Klef will rebound AND is willing to look past his injury history.

    If we are looking at this in real time and not as “potential” then Barrie seems like fair return for Klef given that Barrie is a known entity and Klef is not (given his play this year and injury history).

    If Chia gets Barrie for Klef I consider that to be at least fair value. And perhaps a Win.

    I wouldn’t have agreed with this a year ago but I am starting to see the light.

  119. who says:

    Bag of Pucks: But a Devil’s advocate could argue that those counseling Chiarelli to spend to the cap to acquire depth fillers like Jagr, Franson and insert name of favourite backup goaltender for this season were wrong as well.

    Because that contention assumes this team was actually in a position to viably compete for a Cup, when as we’ve all seen, that couldn’t be further from the case.

    None of those players are longterm solutions, and putting them in the lineup prevents you from potentially finding out what you have at the pro level with the likes of Kharia, Caggiula, Benning, Brossoit, etc.

    One of the lone benefits of this lost season is we have clearer separation now between prospects and suspects and that will inform the procurement priorities for this offseason. That doesn’t happen if you’re filling out the edges of the roster with bandaid solutions. It also would’ve eaten up more contract slots and made in season moves like Davidson or Montoya more difficult.

    One behavioural characteristic that most NHL fans share is we’re much more comfortable with our GM signing FAs than we are in them making trades. Primarily I suspect, because FAs are seen as low risk found money with no asset spent to acquire them. But as the Lucic signing shows us, the wrong FA signings can be every bit as punitive as a poor trade and they’re typically very poor decisions from a cap and asset management pov, cos you’re almost always overpaying in the free agency market.

    But most importantly, you don’t sign players like Jagr and Franson cos they no longer move the needle performance wise. And this is where the armchair QBing becomes highly questionable imo cos where are all the guys who were advocating for these signings that will now admit that those were bad ideas in hindsight? Nowhere to be found. In short, they’ll pile on Chiarelli’s mistakes in hindsight but are quiet as a mouse when it comes to their own failed prognostications.

    Hey all the power to you if you hated the Reinhart trade and actively lobbied from Barzal from Day 1. MacKenzie’s list is your friend and kudos to you. But by the same token, if you lobbied bigtime for drafting Bennett over Draisaitl and have quietly distanced yourself from that ever since, then maybe that misjudgement helps to better inform your perspective on the difficulty of Chiarelli’s job and the inherent difficulty of trying to predict the future. Btw, I’m not trying to give Pete credit for drafting Leon here, just illustrating how difficult these decisions can be for a GM and how easily even following the consensus rankings can blow up in your face.

    Good point about auditioning young players, although some auditions were more exhaustive than others.
    What have we learned about these players?
    Kharia looks like a keeper at center or wing.
    Strome may have found a home at 3C if we can afford him.
    JP has made strides and should turn into a top six winger, maybe next year. I hope the team is patient with this player.
    Slepeshev is still unknown, mostly cause the coach refused to play him till February. We may have lost a cheap, skilled winger because of this.
    Caggulia looks like a 4th line winger, at best.
    Nurse looks like a top 4 dman and potential top pairing guy.
    Benning looks like a 3RD, at best.
    That’s my take.

  120. VOR says:

    I am about to go back to the draft but I wanted to say something about perfectionism. I mostly coach throwers. The Germans refer to the throwing events as the Disciplinaria. The name is apt. Nobody gets to be an elite thrower without years of disciplined practice and a relentless pursuit of perfection. You can imagine the sort of people throwing attracts.

    Coaching obsessive compulsive perfectionist control freaks when you aren’t one yourself is an interesting experience. The drive, the attention to detail, and the relentless self-criticism makes them elite. But boy is it hard to put that burden down when you put the implement down.

    I am going to return to Al Oerter because I thought his life after sport might resonate for you.

    Trying to escape his training as an engineer and his own natural disposition he became an abstract artist. Then he relentlessly pursued galleries until some agreed to show his work. Then he staged shows. He got other Olympians to show their art. Then he formed an organization to showcase that art. Then he relentlessly promoted that organization and its artists. And he kept going until galleries, museums, granting agencies, and critics took them seriously. Or more correctly up until his death. He just couldn’t help himself.

  121. VOR says:

    That last comment was meant for NYCoil. Not sure why the quote function failed.

  122. Bling says:

    I disagree that Klef for Barrie is a deal worth making, even if it addresses positional imbalance. My reasons:

    1) Klef+Larsson is a legit #1 pair when healthy — they did it for a full season last year — and their combined cap hit is low with great term.

    2) Barrie may not improve the team at even strength/could make things worse. He is not that great a defender, and he needs a Larsson type to babysit him.

    3) If you want a RH shot for the PP, you don’t have to expend crazy assets to do so. Letestu filled the role last season. No reason why JP or Aberg can’t do the same next season. The need for a “power play quarterback” on the blueline is completely overblown.

  123. Scungilli Slushy says:

    So Connor has a chance to share an all time record, with only Gretzky.

    The org, coaches, teammates, and fans by cheering him owe him this.

    What a positive end to a horrible season.

    He has been the greatest gift to a sullied and abused fan group. He is a one man hockey experience.

    He is so good not to even the bad ship Oilerpop can keep stop him.

    Everything should be about this, nothing else is as important as helping him build his legacy, especially
    if anyone is worried about his commitment to the Oilers.

  124. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bling:
    I disagree that Klef for Barrie is a deal worth making, even if it addresses positional imbalance. My reasons:

    1) Klef+Larsson is a legit #1 pair when healthy — they did it for a full season last year — and their combined cap hit is low with great term.

    2) Barrie may not improve the team at even strength/could make things worse. He is not that great a defender, and he needs a Larsson type to babysit him.

    3) If you want a RH shot for the PP, you don’t have to expend crazy assets to do so. Letestu filled the role last season. No reason why JP or Aberg can’t do the same next season. The need for a “power play quarterback” on the blueline is completely overblown.

    Yes and it has been shown which WG pointed us to that the biggest contribution from the D on the PP is distributing the puck and not shooting. It would be all forwards except for defending a short hand sortie.

    I believe the personnel are already there. It needs to be coached better.

  125. Scungilli Slushy says:

    And speaking of coaching better.

    Gallant was written about I don’t remember where but recently. The piece referenced their system and how he looked at his roster and has them using set plays with forwards moving to open defined areas and rapid puck movement to help his D personnel and use the attributes of his forwards.

    The Oilers may be doing this but it seems so many aren’t sure what to do they end up playing too slowly.

    It makes me think Q who apparently will take bullet for his players might be a good move even if it means another change.

    It’s been 3 years, that isn’t so uncommon for a change.

    I have completely lost trust in PC although it is far from clear the calls aren’t coming from inside the house. I would also go for a change there with a person from a strong org if I knew it was all him or he was onboard for the multiple poor trades he’s made in his career.

  126. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide: https://lowetide.ca/2014/06/23/2014-final-top-30-and-mactmatty/

    I would have to say, I am happy we got the best player in that draft. 2nd I think could be Ehlers.

  127. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bling:
    I disagree that Klef for Barrie is a deal worth making, even if it addresses positional imbalance. My reasons:

    1) Klef+Larsson is a legit #1 pair when healthy — they did it for a full season last year — and their combined cap hit is low with great term.

    2) Barrie may not improve the team at even strength/could make things worse. He is not that great a defender, and he needs a Larsson type to babysit him.

    3) If you want a RH shot for the PP, you don’t have to expend crazy assets to do so. Letestu filled the role last season. No reason why JP or Aberg can’t do the same next season. The need for a “power play quarterback” on the blueline is completely overblown.

    Nice comment. I’m concerned they make a big bloodletting deal that does little to help.

    The Oilers need a stable RD more than a one way type. They score 5v5 well enough and need to reduce GA 5v5 and PK more than anything.

    Barrie and Faulk don’t help that and likely won’t make up enough on PP to offset. The PP is all about the scoring area around the net. As are most goals.

    OEL would be a help 5v5 as far as I know but apparently is not a help on PP compared to current players.

  128. Wilde says:

    Bank Shot: I’m not sure if Klefbom was injured in his draft year but he only played 22 games.

    In 11/12 I believe he had a couple of minor injuries.
    In 12/13 he missed most of the season to injury.
    13/14 a few minor injuries.
    14/15- healthy
    15/16-injured.
    16/17- healthy
    17/18-played whole season partly injured apparently .

    If we can’t call Klefbom injury prone then no one is injury prone.

    Not excluding the 15/16 staph infection from the evaluation of how prone Klef is to injury is a non-starter for the whole debate, for me.

    That could have happened to anyone. It’s not a hockey injury.

    And that’s the only season he missed significant time in the NHL, what would he miss if they coupled his rest along the holiday break, and bye week we had conveniently close to it? 12 games?

    I could find a lot of injury-prone players with the criteria of missing 15% of your games.

    As for missing games when playing in Europe, there’s the cloud of mystery there. Did the Oilers push to have him shut down in 2012-13? Is it true there’s less expectation of playing through injuries?

    All we can go on is what we know for sure:

    – The staph infection is a freak incident

    – He’s played at a decent level through injury, without a good RH partner and with poorer goaltending

    – his contract is such a bargain even though you only get 85% of the available games

  129. Pouzar says:

    Chris: I found nothing in that story but profound sadness for Ichiro.

    +1

  130. N64 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Nice!8.8/10

    ~ Nicely played. Yeah. I’m not a perfectionist ~

  131. Georges says:

    Jesse’s career points per game:

    Year, PPG

    1, 0.29
    2, 0.37 (so far)

    I used k-NN (a very simple machine learning algorithm) to find first round forward picks since 19990-91 with similar scoring rates in their first two years in the league. Once I had a comparison set for JP, I defined the criteria for success as:

    – have to play more than 5 seasons (i.e., get past ELC plus bridge)

    – have to score 0.5 PPG or better (top 6 scoring rate) in at least half the seasons played

    I looked at the top 40 forwards (in terms of similarity to JP’s first two years of scoring) who were drafted in 2010 or earlier. This would give them enough years to meet the minimum seasons played criterion.

    Just 12 of the 40 met my criteria for success, i.e., 12 out of 40 first round forward picks since 90-91 who started with scoring rates similar to JP’s went on to have a reasonably long career, consistently scoring at top 6 rates.

    I like JP and I want him to succeed so I’m going to just list the upside comparables:

    Ryan Johansen: 0.31, 0.30 PPG first 2 seasons.

    Filip Forsberg: 0.20, 0.38

    Kyle Turris, 0.33, 0.32

    Daymond Langkow, 0.25, 0.35

    Daniel Briere, 0.20, 0.34

    Max Pacioretty, 0.32, 0.27

    Andrew Ladd, 0.38, 0.32

    and a bit of a stretch, but if JP scores a bit more to close out the season…

    Henrik Sedin, 0.35, 0.44

    Keith Primeau, 0.26, 0.46

    One thing that would probably benefit JP (and a lot of our younger players) is stable lines. Not sure if that’s going to happen under the current administration.

    Year 3 was usually a ramp up year where the successful players received significantly more ice time. The Oilers should be able to easily determine the development strategies used by other teams for their picks in various rounds. In case they’re not satisfied with their own strategy… or even if they’re just curious about what the competition is up to.

  132. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Reading around and seeing all of the better goalies having their ups and downs it seems like at this time in the league tandem goalies seems like the way to go. Two guys at a cap hit of 5-6 M instead of one high and one low.

    It covers injury and slumps. In the most important position. Very few goalies seem to be playing full seasons repeatedly at high enough levels.

  133. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Sweden offers the Oilers a perfect fit for the 2018 draft

    https://theathletic.com/261503/2018/03/07/lowetide-sweden-offers-the-oilers-a-perfect-fit-in-the-2018-draft/

  134. Confused says:

    Proactive new owner in Carolina, come on Daryl you know what to do🤨

  135. Bling says:

    Georges,

    Great post, Georges.

    There are some excellent players on that list. I had forgotten how good a career Daymond Langkow had.

    One thing that we don’t have is TOI, but right now JP is already producing at a borderline second line rate at evens, at the age of 19.

    More TOI + more PP time should be enough to ensure a break-out season next year.

  136. Bling says:

    Scungilli Slushy:

    The Oilers need a stable RD more than a one way type. They score 5v5 well enough and need to reduce GA 5v5 and PK more than anything.

    I completely agree with this.

  137. Professor Q says:

    An important update from the Knights game tonight:

    https://twitter.com/AndrewGForbes/status/971570937438134273?s=19

    Andrew Forbes
    @AndrewGForbes

    With his assist on the Tymkin goal, Bouchard ties Bob Goodish for 7th on the @GoLondonKnights all-time list for defensive scoring with 142 points. #OHL

    9:18 pm · 07 Mar 18

    Edited List (as of end of game, Bouchard with 1 G 3 A):

    1. Rick Corriveau
    GP P
    206 251

    2. Dennis Wideman
    GP P
    204 197

    3. Nick Stajduhar
    GP P
    233 183

    4. Rob Ramage
    GP P
    189 180

    5. Brad Marsh
    GP P
    269 153

    6. Rick Green
    GP P
    198 149

    7. Evan Bouchard
    GP P
    173 143

    8. Bob Goodish
    GP P
    266 142

    9. Don Martin
    GP P
    175 132

    10. Larry Trader
    GP P
    175 128

    11. Jim Sprott
    GP P
    195 126

    12. Danny Syvret
    GP P
    198 122

  138. Pouzar says:

    EDM Prospect Watch@EDProspectWatch
    35s36 seconds ago

    2G for Ostap Safin.

  139. --hudson-- says:

    Any idea what happened to Original Pouzar?

  140. JimmyV1965 says:

    I agree with the comments about RHD. A good PP guy would be nice, but the priority should be a dman who can play defence and move the puck out of the dzone efficiently. Trading Klef for Barrie is at best a lateral move, and possibly a huge downgrade. Pesce from Carolina would be interesting. They need a C in the worst way, but RNH seems like a huge overpay. And as much as we need dmen, they need a C even more desperately.

  141. Wilde says:

    Georges:
    Jesse’s career points per game:

    Year, PPG

    1, 0.29
    2, 0.37 (so far)

    I used k-NN (a very simple machine learning algorithm) to find first round forward picks since 19990-91 with similar scoring rates in their first two years in the league. Once I had a comparison set for JP, I defined the criteria for success as:

    – have to play more than 5 seasons (i.e., get past ELC plus bridge)

    – have to score 0.5 PPG or better (top 6 scoring rate) in at least half the seasons played

    I looked at the top 40 forwards (in terms of similarity to JP’s first two years of scoring) who were drafted in 2010 or earlier. This would give them enough years to meet the minimum seasons played criterion.

    Just 12 of the 40 met my criteria for success, i.e., 12 out of 40 first round forward picks since 90-91 who started with scoring rates similar to JP’s went on to have a reasonably long career, consistently scoring at top 6 rates.

    I think two obfuscating factors in this dataset are the difference of ages among these player’s first two seasons, and the difference in aTOI.

    Jesse’s is quite a unique situation.

    Fire Todd.

    Confused,

    Hockey man Doug McLean is furious with this anti-fraternity move.

    Expect the Florida Panthers treatment to follow.

    I didn’t see Francis doing much wrong in Carolina, in all seriousness. I didn’t like the Jake Bean pick, buying Kruger was semi-stupid, but otherwise it seemed fine.

    They’d be a completely different team if they didn’t take Hanifin over some of the forwards in 2015, but I don’t think they knew Slavin-Pesce was going to be amazing at that point.

    Their team is short one impact forward from being a contender, and there were several on the board in 2015.

    There’s goaltending, but voodoo.

  142. JimmyV1965 says:

    I wrote my post not knowing Francis was fired by the Hurricanes. Sounds like the new owner wants to be directly involved in mngt. This could be a HUGE opportunity.

  143. Confused says:

    Wilde,

    Happy for either or both to go.

    Carolina need a center……. Strome? VOR likes McK?

  144. Rebilled says:

    If the Capitals are considering benching Holtby for Grubauer…

    Can someone phone Chia please?

  145. JimmyV1965 says:

    Franicis did a good job in Carolina, but he should have acquired something, anything resembling a First line centre. They have plenty of pieces to get it done too.

  146. Georges says:

    Bling,

    Here are the first two seasons’ TOI per game for the players on that list:

    JP
    11:15
    13:37

    Johansen
    12:44
    16:05

    Forsberg
    15:28
    11:24

    Turris
    19:45 (3 games)
    12:55

    Langkow
    NA

    Briere
    6:49 (5 games)
    11:13

    Pacioretty
    12:37
    12:42

    Ladd
    11:10
    11:11

    Sedin
    13:31
    12:48

    Primeau
    NA

    Vancouver really took their time with the Sedins. It wasn’t until 2005-06, the twins’ 5th season, that they played over 16 minutes a night. That was also their breakout scoring year. Up to that point, the best PPG that either managed was 0.66 for Daniel in 03-04.

  147. McSorley33 says:

    Professor Q,

    Indeed.

    This kid keeps producing despite the Knights sending away their vets.

  148. Wilde says:

    I thought Peters was gonna go first, to be honest.

    That’s just from reading Canes fans though.

    I don’t think Dundon firing Francis is indicative of the former’s interest in interfering with hockey ops.

    He just wants his guy.

  149. Confused says:

    Perhaps.

    But perhaps wants a winner, already tired of waiting, send him PC!

  150. Georges says:

    Wilde,

    “Jesse’s is quite a unique situation.”

    True.

    k-NN is useful for weighing/forecasting possible outcomes. I haven’t gone that extra step of building the model. Probably should at some point.

    I glanced at Forsberg’s TOI with teammates in his third season (when he was full time with the team). Then at Dubois this year, Tkachuk, Laine, Different from the blender that JP has experienced.

  151. Wilde says:

    Georges,

    No doubt.

    One can look to Mikko Rantanen, a similar Finn in that he played in the sm-Liiga as a junior-aged player, also gifted with a 6’4″ frame.

    Rantanen was 28 in 56 for TPS Turku, Pulju was 28 in 50 for Karpat.

    The offense evaporates to an extent when these 17 year olds start playing against men in Europe, and then get shipped off to NA to do the same almost immediately. They have to rediscover it.

    Rantanen destroyed the AHL upon arrival, I rationalise this with the coupling of our AHL franchise being barren of forwards, and Jesse being 5 months younger relative to his draft class.

    Rantanen 5v5 p/60, first two full NHL seasons:

    2016-17 – 1.46
    2017-18 2.05

    Puljujarvi:

    2017-18 – 1.46
    2018-19 – ????

  152. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde:
    I thought Peters was gonna go first, to be honest.

    That’s just from reading Canes fans though.

    I don’t think Dundon firing Francis is indicative of the former’s interest in interfering with hockey ops.

    He just wants his guy.

    This from an article on the Score.

    Dundon reportedly wants to have direct dealings with his coaches and players, choosing to run his team in the model of Mark Cuban and the Dallas Mavericks of the NBA, according to Sportsnet’s John Shannon.

  153. Rebilled says:

    frjohnk,

    The Seguin trade was pretty bad too,

  154. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965: This from an article on the Score.

    Dundon reportedly wants to have direct dealings with his coaches and players, choosing to run his team in the model of Mark Cuban and the Dallas Mavericks of the NBA, according to Sportsnet’s John Shannon.

    Oh boy.

    I actually liked what Dundon was saying, before this.

    Is he gonna sit behind the benches and yel; ‘shoot’?

  155. OmJo says:

    Trading Klefbom for Barrie would be a step backwards.

    Klefbom is a top 4 Dman who can play on the PK and PP on a great contract.

    Barrie is a 3RD who can’t PK and needs to be sheltered, has one more 5v5 point that Darnell Nurse, and is making more than Klefbom.

    He’s Justin Schultz if Justin Schultz lived up to the potential.

    You don’t trade Klefbom for a defenceman like that. That’s one step forward, two steps back and it’s only one step forward because he’s a RHD.

  156. russ99 says:

    Klefbom had a good year last season but many are forgetting he was a tire fire in our zone when the opposition had the puck, and only turned things around the last month of the season and was better in the playoffs.

    Klefbom has never been above average defending opposition possession in our zone and minimizing scoring chances against as an Oiler.

  157. SwedishPoster says:

    Bank Shot: I’m not sure if Klefbom was injured in his draft year but he only played 22 games.

    In 11/12 I believe he had a couple of minor injuries.
    In 12/13 he missed most of the season to injury.
    13/14 a few minor injuries.
    14/15- healthy
    15/16-injured.
    16/17- healthy
    17/18-played whole season partly injured apparently .

    If we can’t call Klefbom injury prone then no one is injury prone.

    He played around 60 games his draft year, only 23 in the SHL but several, junior games, 12 games with a lower league mens team and 17 u18 NT games. If he missed any time it can’t been much. You play fewer games in swedish hockey than NA so 60 games is pretty much a full season.

  158. Professor Q says:

    Professor Q:
    An important update from the Knights game tonight:

    https://twitter.com/AndrewGForbes/status/971570937438134273?s=19

    Andrew Forbes
    @AndrewGForbes

    With his assist on the Tymkin goal, Bouchard ties Bob Goodish for 7th on the @GoLondonKnights all-time list for defensive scoring with 142 points. #OHL

    9:18 pm · 07 Mar 18

    Edited List (as of end of game, Bouchard with 1 G 3 A):

    1. Rick Corriveau
    GP P
    206 251

    2. Dennis Wideman
    GP P
    204 197

    3. Nick Stajduhar
    GP P
    233 183

    4. Rob Ramage
    GP P
    189 180

    5. Brad Marsh
    GP P
    269 153

    6. Rick Green
    GP P
    198 149

    7. Evan Bouchard
    GP P
    173 143

    8. Bob Goodish
    GP P
    266 142

    9. Don Martin
    GP P
    175 132

    10. Larry Trader
    GP P
    175 128

    11. Jim Sprott
    GP P
    195 126

    12. Danny Syvret
    GP P
    198 122

    Points Per Game:

    A. 1.22 (Corriveau)
    B. 0.97 (Wideman)
    C. 0.95 (Ramage)
    D. 0.83 (Bouchard)
    E. 0.79 (Stajduhar)
    F. 0.75 (Green)
    G. 0.75 (Martin)
    H. 0.73 (Trader)
    I. 0.65 (Sprott)
    J. 0.62 (Syvret)
    K. 0.57 (Marsh)
    L. 0.53 (Goodish)

    With 5 games remaining this season, London Knights Goals in Single Season (Defence):

    1. 34 (Nick Stajduhar, 1993-94)
    2. 27 (Rick Corriveau, 1990-91)
    3. 27 (Dennis Wideman, 2001-02)
    4. 24 (Dennis Wideman, 2003-04)
    5. 23 (Evan Bouchard, 2017-18)
    6. 23 (Scott Campbell, 1976-77)
    7. 23 (Bryan Rodney, 2004-05)
    8. 23 (Danny Syvret, 2004-05)
    9. 22 (Rick Corriveau, 1989-90)
    10. 20 (Dennis Wideman, 2002-03)

  159. JD_Wry says:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/franciss-removal-sign-hurricanes-owner-dundons-hands-style/

    Unafraid to challenge conventional wisdom, Dundon wanted to take more risks.

    Remind you of anyone…?

  160. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Professor Q: Points Per Game:

    A. 1.22 (Corriveau)
    B. 0.97 (Wideman)
    C. 0.95 (Ramage)
    D. 0.83 (Bouchard)
    E. 0.79 (Stajduhar)
    F. 0.75 (Green)
    G. 0.75 (Martin)
    H. 0.73 (Trader)
    I.0.65 (Sprott)
    J. 0.62 (Syvret)
    K. 0.57 (Marsh)
    L. 0.53 (Goodish)

    With 5 games remaining this season, London Knights Goals in Single Season (Defence):

    1. 34 (Nick Stajduhar, 1993-94)
    2. 27 (Rick Corriveau, 1990-91)
    3. 27 (Dennis Wideman, 2001-02)
    4. 24 (Dennis Wideman, 2003-04)
    5. 23 (Evan Bouchard, 2017-18)
    6. 23 (Scott Campbell, 1976-77)
    7. 23 (Bryan Rodney, 2004-05)
    8. 23 (Danny Syvret, 2004-05)
    9. 22 (Rick Corriveau, 1989-90)
    10. 20 (Dennis Wideman, 2002-03)

    The concerning factor being one strong NHL player out of that group in PPG and Knights goals in a season near this era.

  161. Rondo says:

    If Oilers pick in the top 4 Dahlin, Zadina, Svechnikov, or Tkachuk

    If Oilers pick #5 to #8 Boqvist, Bouchard, Dobson or Hughes

  162. Bank Shot says:

    Wilde: Not excluding the 15/16 staph infection from the evaluation of how prone Klef is to injury is a non-starter for the whole debate, for me.

    That could have happened to anyone. It’s not a hockey injury.

    And that’s the only season he missed significant time in the NHL, what would he miss if they coupled his rest along the holiday break, andbye week we had conveniently close to it? 12 games?

    I could find a lot of injury-prone players with the criteria of missing 15% of your games.

    As for missing games when playing in Europe, there’s the cloud of mystery there. Did the Oilers push to have him shut down in 2012-13? Is it true there’s less expectation of playing through injuries?

    All we can go on is what we know for sure:

    – The staph infection is a freak incident

    – He’s played at a decent level through injury, without a good RH partner and with poorer goaltending

    – his contract is such a bargain even though you only get 85% of the available games

    You will hand wave away the reoccurring shoulder injuries as well?

    I like Klefbom as a player, but to pretend there hasn’t been injury issues is absurd.

  163. VOR says:

    My problem with all the analysis of Jesse Puljujarvi is it doesn’t seem to acknowledge what a unique player he really is or what he could be.

    Our host compares him to Jere Lehtinen and is therefore projecting Jesse as a two way player. Well a superb defensive two way player with some offence. Lehtinen won the Selke three times. Lehtinen was also a serious outplayer against the best players in the NHL. Not exactly useless.

    While the Lehtinen comparison isn’t wide spread the idea that one day Jesse will have that kind of defensive acumen is very common among GMs, scouts, hockey analysts, and fans. The Selke talk comes up over and over again. Thanks to Georges and Wilde we know offensively Jesse is tracking like Forsberg or Rantanen neither of who is easy to project as a Selke winner.

    That is not a knock on them. The truth is there have been very few power forwards who have won the Selke. Kesler and Kopitar, both centers are the only two who come to mind. If Puljujarvi is that good defensively he is going to be a class of one.

    So Jesse is tracking to be a bigger, stronger, possibly faster Jere Lehtinen who can rag doll NHL defenders and cycle the puck like Georges (my puck, get your own puck) Laraque. Now what if some coach decides to put that lethal canon and big body on the power play. Oh and he turns out to be, as he was in Finland, a superb penalty killer when given a chance.

    I can’t imagine why you’d want such a player on your team. Obviously a wasted draft pick. Unless maybe you’d like to win a Stanley Cup or 2 or 3 or…..

    Now we all know the Oilers may well screw up his development but that would be on them not him, or their scouting department.

    But given the kind of unique player they are developing and the analysis by Georges and Wilde we certainly can’t conclude that the Oilers have f***ed up based on the current evidence. It would be easier to argue the exact opposite.

  164. Confused says:

    VOR,

    I am really positive on Jesse as well, but is Todd?

  165. Georges says:

    VOR,

    Ryan Kesler is also a good comp. for Jesse on TOI.

    First 2 seasons TOI per GP

    JP
    11:15
    13:37

    Kesler
    10:42
    14:02

    It took Kesler 5 seasons to break 0.7 PPG. And he scored at elite (0.91 and 0.89) levels in his sixth and seventh season, mostly due to PP. There are a few late bloomers in the dataset. I should catalog the different types of career arcs at some point.

    I like Jesse a whole bunch but he’s not out of the woods with this team and coaching staff.

    It’s curious. We lost as much in 15-16 as this season. But the HC kept Drai with Hall for practically the whole year.

    Drai 5v5 TOI (GF-GA)

    with Hall 861 (42-39)
    w/o Hall 152 (4-4)

    No blender for Drai. That seemed to have helped.

    But here’s the 5v5 TOI and GF-GA for JP’s second season with

    CMD 244 (12-8)
    Strome 116 (8-5)
    RNH 110 (2-2)
    Drai 49 (4-5)
    Letestu 47 (1-3)

    Pick one C for the kid (other than Letestu).

  166. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Georges:
    VOR,

    Ryan Kesler is also a good comp. for Jesse on TOI.

    First 2 seasons TOI per GP

    JP
    11:15
    13:37

    Kesler
    10:42
    14:02

    It took Kesler 5 seasons to break 0.7 PPG. And he scored at elite (0.91 and 0.89) levels in his sixth and seventh season, mostly due to PP. There are a few late bloomers in the dataset. I should catalog the different types of career arcs at some point.

    I like Jesse a whole bunch but he’s not out of the woods with this team and coaching staff.

    It’s curious. We lost as much in 15-16 as this season. But the HC kept Drai with Hall for practically the whole year.

    Drai 5v5 TOI (GF-GA)

    with Hall 861 (42-39)
    w/o Hall 152 (4-4)

    No blender for Drai. That seemed to have helped.

    But here’s the 5v5 TOI and GF-GA for JP’s second season with

    CMD 244 (12-8)
    Strome 116 (8-5)
    RNH 110 (2-2)
    Drai 49 (4-5)
    Letestu 47 (1-3)

    Pick one C for the kid (other than Letestu).

    This is one thing I keep noticing is that he already has a neutral to positive effect on goal shares. No matter the line. ALREADY.

    In case everyone didn’t notice 🙂

  167. Professor Q says:

    Scungilli Slushy: The concerning factor being one strong NHL player out of that group in PPG and Knights goals in a season near this era.

    Indeed. One could take it like that and wonder if Wideman would even be a good comp (though even that would be a different era). But I do say, if you watch him play, and look at stats this year, he’s head & shoulders above OHL competition. Take that for whatever you will. He’s shown improvement in play and points-gathering and his importance to the team every year, and London has been depleted this year after trading away all their skilled veterans.

    Yet good questions: could he be even better next year in Draft +1? How would he adapt to the AHL if he were to play there for a year? The all important one, would and could he be just as effective in the NHL, now or eventually (I guess that’s why there’s a draft)?

    His PPG this season is 1.37. So far…

    OHL (not updated with tonight’s stats; Bouchard would have 1 more G and 3 more As in an extra GP)

    Rank Rookie Name Team GP G A PTS

    1 Bouchard, Evan LDN 62 23 59 82
    2 Hague, Nicolas MISS 61 32 37 69
    3 Merkley, Ryan GUE 58 12 51 63
    4 Dineen, Cam SAR 62 20 42 62
    5 Crawford, Marcus SAG 62 12 40 52
    6 Hollowell, Mac SSM 57 12 39 51
    7 Durzi, Sean OS 37 15 32 47
    8 Brassard, Matt OSH 63 15 31 46
    9 Gleason, Benjamin HAM 59 08 37 45
    10 McFadden, Garrett GUE 63 06 37 43
    11 * Sandin, Rasmus SSM 45 10 32 42
    12 Day, Sean KGN 45 05 37 42

    WHL

    Rank Rookie Name Team GP G A PTS

    1 Quenneville, David MH 65 26 48 74
    2 Smith, Ty SPO 64 14 58 72
    3 Clague, Kale MJ 50 11 59 70
    4 Sissons, Colby SC 67 13 56 69
    5 Jokiharju, Henri POR 58 09 58 67
    6 Mahura, Josh REG 56 22 44 66
    7 Foote, Cal KEL 56 17 47 64
    8 Cholowski, Dennis POR 64 14 50 64
    9 Coghlan, Dylan TC 63 17 44 61
    10 Addison, Calen LET 62 08 52 60
    11 Davis, Kevin EVT 66 10 49 59
    12 Strand, Austin SEA 63 21 37 58

    QMJHL

    Rank Rookie Name Team GP G A PTS

    1 Galipeau, Olivier Bat 62 23 45 68
    2 Dobson, Noah Bat 62 16 50 66
    3 Grégoire, Thomas She 63 12 51 63
    4 Beaudin, Nicolas Dru 63 12 50 62
    5 Welsh, Nicholas Mon 64 12 46 58
    6 Lalonde, Bradley BaC 55 12 42 54
    7 D’Astous, C.-E. Rim 55 17 34 51
    8 Corbeil, Pascal BLB 45 09 42 51
    9 Joseph, P.-O. Cha 58 13 33 46
    10 Cyr, William Rou 60 13 31 44
    11 Holwell, Adam Bat 62 09 35 44
    12 Cormier, Dominic Vic 61 08 35 43

  168. godot10 says:

    Jesse should be the new Hossa, if he had proper coaching.

    Another reason for Jacques Martin.

  169. Professor Q says:

    Catching up with the Lowdown With Lowetide.

    Disappointed in the lack of Browns awareness (not surprised though).

    Best QB of All Time in Otto Graham! Lou Groza! Perfect Season! 27 game win streak! Beating the Eagles in their first NFL game! 7 Championships in 10 years!

    Being hated by the NFL from the get-go…

    Cardiac Kids! The Gleam! The Damned Broncos! Sipe! Kosar! Slaughter! Clay Matthews! Bill Belichik!

    Yes, I’m waaaaay too young to know all of this. But I guess as a fan I am a bit more invested than Tyler or Lowetide. :p

    And if you think about it, Cleveland spawned so many teams in the NFL. A very important city.

    The Steelers’ Steelmark logo is actually based on a suggestion by a Cleveland steel company, Republic Steel, to incorporate the AISI logo.

    The Cleveland Rams are now the L. A. Rams.

    Paul Brown was untimely fired and decided in spite to create the Cincinatti Bengals.

    Baltimore Ravens. *spits*

  170. deardylan says:

    Does anyone else miss this 1st rd, 5th pk (5th overall) that played for the Oilers? I burst out laughing watching at 0.39!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVIT0LNIN4Y

    Is there any B.G. coming up in this draft in first 10 picks?

  171. Professor Q says:

    deardylan:
    Does anyone else miss this 1st rd, 5th pk (5th overall) that played for the Oilers?I burst out laughing watching this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVIT0LNIN4Y

    Is there any B.G. coming up in this draft in first 10 picks?

    You know, Edmonton had a trade fascination with the North East Coast long before Chia.

  172. ArmchairGM says:

    Lowetide:
    For The Athletic: Sweden offers the Oilers a perfect fit for the 2018 draft

    https://theathletic.com/261503/2018/03/07/lowetide-sweden-offers-the-oilers-a-perfect-fit-in-the-2018-draft/

    Yay – even LT is aboard the Boqvist train! Choo choooooooo!!

  173. Tapdog says:

    ArmchairGM: Strictly by math:

    4. Ty Smith, LD, WHL 63, 14-56-70(NHLE: 26.42)
    5. Adam Boqvist, RD, Swe J2025, 14-10-24 (~24?)
    7. Quinn Hughes, LD, NCAA33, 4-22-26 (21.32)
    10. Evan Bouchard, OHL61, 22-56-78 (31.46)
    14. Noah Dobson, QMJHL62, 16-50-66 (21.82)
    16. Calen Addison, RD, WHL61, 8-51-59 (23.00)
    17. Ryan Merkley, RD, OHL57, 12-50-62 (26.76)
    20. Jett Woo, RD, WHL 37, 9-15-24 (17.35)
    25. Bode Wilde, RD, USDP 47, 9-23-32 (~16?)

    46. Rasmus Sandin, LD, OHL 45, 10-32-42 (22.96)

    58. Sean Durzi, RD, OHL37, 15-32-47 (31.25) (was eligible for 2017 draft)

    And for comparative purposes (draft year in brackets) :

    Ethan Bear, RD, AHL (2015)34, 6-10-16 (18.14)
    Filip Berglund, RD, SHL (2016) 42, 3-10-13 (14.72)
    Caleb Jones, LD, AHL (2015) 42, 2-13-15 (13.76)
    Dmitri Samorukov, LD, OHL (2017)56, 10-21-31 (13.62)
    William Lagesson, LD, SHL (2014)47, 1-11-12 (12.14)

    Can we see where Bear and Jones last junior year would sit in the mix?
    Wouldn’t that be comparative?

  174. ArmchairGM says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Nice comment. I’m concerned they make a big bloodletting deal that does little to help.

    The Oilers need a stable RD more than a one way type. They score 5v5 well enough and need to reduce GA 5v5 and PK more than anything.

    Barrie and Faulk don’t help that and likely won’t make up enough on PP to offset. The PP is all about the scoring area around the net. As are most goals.

    OEL would be a help 5v5 as far as I know but apparently is not a help on PP compared to current players.

    I agree. Who would you target?

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