G71 2017-18: Oilers at Panthers

by Lowetide

My Dad used to say there were two kinds of good music: Country, and Western. He’d chuckle after but, as with most things he said and did, he meant it. There is a pureness, a clarity, an innocence about great country songs, it can strip away every damn thing but the one thing that matters. My Dad’s favorite country singer was Hank Williams, saw him in Vancouver a time or two. If Hank Williams’ story and the endless youth movement of the Edmonton Oilers have anything in common, it’s Leon Payne’s Lost Highway. I was just a lad, nearly twenty two, neither good nor bad, just a kid like you.

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YOUNG TALENT

After a long and frustrating season like this one, it’s easy to overlook the enormous gifts enjoyed by the Oilers organization. Allow me to refresh your memory about just how much talent will be available to Edmonton this coming season.

  • Bubbling Under: Top-10 pick 2018; Kailer Yamamoto; Ethan Bear; Caleb Jones, Tyler Benson, Kirill Maksimov, Ostap Safin.
  • The McDavid cluster: Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Darnell Nurse, Jesse Puljujarvi.
  • The prime cluster: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Oscar Klefbom, Adam Larsson, Jujhar Khaira, Matt Benning, Ryan Strome, Anton Slepyshev.
  • The veteran cluster: Cam Talbot, Milan Lucic, Andrej Sekera, Kris Russell.

It’s important to stop the bleeding, by that I mean Nuge, Klefbom, JP and the first-round pick need to be parts of the machinery this fall (the pick might be in college or junior). There should be no whale hunts because there is no one magic formula to get out of this mess. Draft seven or eight kids every June, make smaller trades that improve quality and depth, and begin digging out of this mess by rolling up your sleeves. That’s the ticket.

MORE THAN THIS, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • March 2016: 4-3-0, goal differential -3 (8 points)
  • March 2017: 5-1-1, goal differential +12 (11 points)
  • March 2018: 3-3-1, goal differential -1 (7 points)
  • March 14, 2016: Nashville 3, Edmonton 2 (Source)
  • March 20, 2017: Edmonton 2, Los Angeles 0 (Source)

Man that 2017 team was a rocking by this time, leveling some pretty good hockey clubs on the way to the 103-point season. McDavid is ripping it up again and Cam Talbot has finally come around as well. We’re running out of daylight on the season, still some time to improve the final number.

AFTER 70, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 27-36-7, goal differential -44 (61 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 37-24-9, goal differential +27 (83 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 30-35-5, goal differential -33 (65 points)
  • March 12, 2016: Arizona 4, Edmonton 0 (Source)
  • March 18, 2017: Edmonton 2, Vancouver 0 (Source)

If you flipped the record (giving Edmonton 35-30-5 currently) it still wouldn’t be enough. That’s why adding a scoring winger and a power-play defenseman doesn’t make sense. You are more than two players away.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM MARCH

  • At home to: Nashville, NY Rangers, Arizona, NY Islanders, Minnesota (Expected 2-3-0) (Actual 3-2-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • On the road to: Florida, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, Columbus (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: Vancouver, Calgary (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-7-3, 15 points in 16 games
  • Current results: 3-3-1, 7 points in seven games

WHAT SHOULD SUMMER LOOK LIKE?

I’ve been arguing for some time that the Oilers should not be bold this summer, but rather use the draft, free agency and trade route to add things that don’t take away from the group above. Some examples:

  • Use the draft pick, keep the player. After offloading the 2015 picks and Hall, the team could use one more impact prospect. Grab Svechnikov if you’re lucky, but Wahlstrom or Hughes or Smith could also be available. There’s still time to wait two years for a prospect, the Oilers window will still be open. Also, the Seattle expansion means this selection won’t need to be protected, giving Edmonton a real advantage over most established teams.
  • Run with the current blue, use Ethan Bear as possible mid-season addition. If the entire defense returns healthy, a top six D of Klefbom-Larsson, Nurse-Russell and Sekera-Benning should be able to hold its own. I think Ethan Bear needs a little more time, but is close enough that we shouldn’t be hoping the Oilers deal for a big name. If it happens, and it is value, then fair enough. What would you give for Tyson Barrie? Justin Faulk? If it’s Nuge, where are you acquiring a scoring winger? By dealing Klefbom? Are you buying more or less years? Is it really going to help?
  • See about Patrick Maroon, or Thomas Vanek. A wise one-year deal with a veteran will offer cover to the young wingers and give the coach some options.
  • Find some penalty killers. I actually like some of the current group (Nuge, Khaira, Pakarinen) but would like the third line to have more PK men.
  • Find Pitlick. Edmonton got into some tough luck with Pitlick, a player who would have been under their control (RFA) before an injury allowed him full free agency. Edmonton needs another one like him. Ordinarily you develop your own, but the kids in the Oilers system who may turn into Pitlick (Tyler Benson is a strong candidate) will need some time.

There is no magic pill. There is no summer fix. Make smart decisions, not on Tyson Barrie, but on players who will eventually turn into Tyson Barrie. Draft. Procure. Rinse. Repeat. This is very basic stuff.

 

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Ben

So when they do Klef for Hoffman and Nuge for Faulk, what’s the headline?

Andy Dufresne

Tambellini called…..said to say THANK YOU.

12 percent body fat

finding pitlick should be as simple as playing slepyshev in a role consistantly instead of up down and out. The minutes given the last two years to caggulia would have established anton as a viable top 9 and second unit pp. Coach or GM messed this up.

Agree with you on nuge and klefbom, trading them for faulk and hoffman just gets you older and having to sign contract renewals sooner. dumb moves

its impossible but the only way this team becomes a legit contender soon is by dropping lucic and russel and somehow fleeceing hoffmann and faulk out for picks after this years draft.

Andy Dufresne

Ben:
So when they do Klef for Hoffman and Nuge for Faulk, what’s the headline?

Same as it always was.

who

Love your game plan LT.
Do you think this happens if Chia is left in charge?

jtblack

“there is no one magic formula to get out of this mess. Draft seven or eight kids every June, make smaller trades that improve quality and depth, and begin digging out of this mess by rolling up your sleeves. That’s the ticket.”

I agree with your Philosophy. But this only works if the scouting department can hit on players outside Round 1. Can the Oilers scouts?

In the last 9 years, the Cup Winner has had AN IMPACT PLAYER who was procured after Round 1.

CHI – KEITH ROUND 2 #54
BOS – LUCIC ROUND 2 #50
L.A.- QUICK ROUND 3 #72
PIT- LETANG ROUND 3 #62
EDM – ?????

CHI, L.A. & PIT who own 8 of the last 9 Cups have a potential HHOF players drafted outside Round 1. Remember the Oilers dynasty, Messier & others drafted outside round 1.

There is a pattern. Maybe Bear? Benson? We Wait.

octobergirl1

Hunter1909 Emergency Death March Update for new/returning players:

Here’s how you play: Go to http://www.oilersdeathmarch.com and click “Enter Emergency D.M.”

It’s easy!

With the team’s improbable suckage, it’s time to get predictions in. Prizes to be won!

Final Notice!! Contest closes with the 1st puck drop today!!

Happy St Patrick’s Day

Jethro Tull

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Bear we’re show casing.

StixMalone

Jethro Tull:
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Bear we’re show casing.

That would be stupid….. but wouldn’t surprise me.

frjohnk

So this coming up year would be a bit of a retool year.

-Try to get the special teams back to league average, whether that means some or all coaching changes, but they need to be fixed.

-back up goalie upgrade, so if Talbot falters/gets injuried, the team has some cover here.

-need to find 3 players who can play top 6 with Nuge( if not traded), McDavid and Draisaitl
the Lucic experiment has been a failure, try to find a spot for Lucic in the bottom 6 where he can be useful. Maybe JP is one of the 3, just have to find 2 more wingers for the top 6 then.

-healthy D core would go a long way to helping out

Hopefully a bubble playoff team

Andy Dufresne

Ben:
So when they do Klef for Hoffman and Nuge for Faulk, what’s the headline?

And if they dont make these trades guess what the headline will be?

You got it!

“Same as it always was”

Andy Dufresne

Lowetide: Bear might be less than a year away from being an NHL regular. It would be insane to deal him.

Who would it be sane to deal?

Soup Fascist

Here is what kills me. They could have easily drafted a kid that could have been the next Tyson Barrie. David Quenneville was drafted at #200 by the Isles in 2016. Currently has 80 points in 69 games with the Hat.

The is a dynamic and creative puck mover. Runs a power play like a champ. Oh yeah, he shoots right.

As the 2016 draft progressed I was certain the Oilers were going to STEAL this kid in the 7th round. But nope – they chose Vinnie Deharnais. A blue liner 10 inches taller – who is going to be a fine Quebec Senior player one day but is light years from being even an AHL candidate. Quenneville had 7th round height but 1st round talent. Surely he was worth a risk.

Quenneville may not make the show but in 2016 and now, you had to know his chances were infinitely better than the sled the Oil took ahead of him.

Of course you can’t blame the Oilers for missing the kid. It’s not like Quenneville was lighting it up right in front of them ….. oh wait ….. he was Tyler Benson’s teammate at SSAC on Edmonton.

This team. Man.

slopitch

Amen Lowetide. I agree 100% with what your saying about the off-season.

I would add/change
1) look for creative ways to move Lucic (ie trade down from 5 to 12)
2) I wouldn’t shop Nuge but he’d be in play (1Rhd > 2/3C) or if they could get say Ottawa’s 2019 1st + Girard for him I’d look at it.
3) I like Boqvist but a possible NHL ready player like Tkachuk has appeal for me.

But you have it right. Step up to the plate and nail the picks. NHL GMs are too smart to let others short cut a rebuild. Build from within.

Professor Q

Soup Fascist:
Here is what kills me. They could have easily drafted a kid that could have been the next Tyson Barrie. David Quenneville was drafted at #200 by the Isles in 2016. Currently has 80 point in 69 games with the Hat.

The is a dynamic and creative puck mover. Runs a power play like a champ. Oh yeah, he shoots right.

As the 2016 draft progressed I was certain the Oilers were going to STEAL this kid in the 7th round. But nope – they chose Vinnie Deharnais. A blue liner 10 inches taller – who is going to be a fine Quebec Senior player one day but is light years from an AHL candidate. Quenneville has 7th round height but 1st round talent. Surely he was worth a risk.

Quenneville may not make the show but in 2016 and now, you had to know his chances were infinitely better than the sled the Oil took aheadof him.

Of course you can’t blame the Oilers for missing the kid. It’s not like Quenneville was lighting it up rightin front of them ….. oh wait ….. he was Tyler Benson’s teammate at SSAC on Edmonton.

This team. Man.

Bear is pretty good.

Mr DeBakey

Use the draft pick, keep the player

If you sort the NHL Standings by Points Per Game, the Oilers are 7th from the bottom today:
Buffalo Sabres ** 0.80
Arizona Coyotes ** 0.81
Vancouver Canucks ** 0.83
Detroit Red Wings ** 0.89
Ottawa Senators ** 0.90
Montreal Canadiens ** 0.90
Edmonton Oilers ** 0.93

Would the 7th get the 15th and Nicolas Aube-Kubel from the Flyers?
Or, the 11th and Warren Foegele from Carolina?

Andy Dufresne

Soup Fascist:
Here is what kills me. They could have easily drafted a kid that could have been the next Tyson Barrie. David Quenneville was drafted at #200 by the Isles in 2016. Currently has 80 point in 69 games with the Hat.

The is a dynamic and creative puck mover. Runs a power play like a champ. Oh yeah, he shoots right.

As the 2016 draft progressed I was certain the Oilers were going to STEAL this kid in the 7th round. But nope – they chose Vinnie Deharnais. A blue liner 10 inches taller – who is going to be a fine Quebec Senior player one day but is light years from an AHL candidate. Quenneville has 7th round height but 1st round talent. Surely he was worth a risk.

Quenneville may not make the show but in 2016 and now, you had to know his chances were infinitely better than the sled the Oil took aheadof him.

Of course you can’t blame the Oilers for missing the kid. It’s not like Quenneville was lighting it up rightin front of them ….. oh wait ….. he was Tyler Benson’s teammate at SSAC on Edmonton.

This team. Man.

29 other teams something something….6 rounds each something something…..

But Yeah…..man this team……

Andy Dufresne

slopitch:
Amen Lowetide. I agree 100% with what your saying about the off-season.

I would add/change
1) look for creative ways to move Lucic (ie trade down from 5 to 12)
2) I wouldn’t shop Nuge but he’d be in play (1Rhd > 2/3C) or if they could get say Ottawa’s 2019 1st + Girard for him I’d look at it.
3) I like Boqvist but a possible NHL ready player like Tkachuk has appeal for me.

But you have it right. Step up to the plate and nail the picks. NHL GMs are too smart to let others short cut a rebuild. Build from within.

Not 100%. Pick another number.

But the good news is, you have a reasonable chance at being happy when we see what the Oilers actually do in the offseason.

flyfish1168

Ben:
So when they do Klef for Hoffman and Nuge for Faulk, what’s the headline?

Edmonton Oilers open for applications for new G.M.

russ99

We can’t stand pat.

We can’t wait for years for the prospects to bubble up when we are at the beginning of this after one good draft.

The fans deserve a competitive team.

You can’t sell McDavid on three more years of losing.

Katz needs playoff dates.

We’re not as far away as people think, the key to me is to stop thinking about the third line as a scoring line or a kid line, you can find 2 veteran two-away wingers who can play well vs. toughs and penalty kill for $1-2M. We already have 4 top 6 players, finding two more won’t kill us.

And when it all comes down to it, I like Klefbom and Nuge (if he ever embraced he defense) but If trading them gets us back to competing, i’m all for it. But we can’t hold on to favorites as a line in the sand on any sports team. Favorites get traded. Look at our history, look at all other teams.

One of my biggest gripes about Oilers fans is that we were a good team last year, nobody was complaining about trades during the last month of the season and the postseason. But this year, they flip the switch and the knives come out, it doesn’t work that way. You can be angry or disappointed or want the coach or GM fired, but to turn on your team and specific players you’ve formed opinions on before they came here is damn shallow and petty, and this defines our fanbase to others, we’re aduits here for the most part.

I support the Oilers, even the ones I don’t like, like Benning.

Andy Dufresne

russ99:
We can’t stand pat.

We can’t wait for years for the prospects to bubble up when we are at the beginning of this after one good draft.

The fans deserve a competitive team.

You can’t sell McDavid on three more years of losing.

Katz needs playoff dates.

We’re not as far away as people think, the key to me is to stop thinking about the third line as a scoring line or a kid line, you can find 2 veteran two-away wingers who can play well vs. toughs and penalty kill for $1-2M. We already have 4 top 6 players, finding two more won’t kill us.

And when it all comes down to it, I like Klefbom and Nuge (if he ever embraced he defense) but If trading them get some us back to competing, i’m all for it. But we can’t hold on to favorites as a line in the sand on any sports team. Favorites get traded. Look at our history, look at all other teams.

One of my biggest gripes about Oilers fans is that we were a good team last year, nobody was complaining about trades during the last month of the season and the postseason. But this year, they flip the switch and the knives come out, it doesn’t work that way. You can be angry or disappointed or want the coach or GM fired, but to turn on your team and specific players you’ve formed opinions on before they came here is damn shallow and petty, and this defines our fanbase to others, we’re aduits here for the most part.

I support the Oilers, even the ones I don’t like, like Benning.

+1 x10

russ99

Soup Fascist:
Here is what kills me. They could have easily drafted a kid that could have been the next Tyson Barrie. David Quenneville was drafted at #200 by the Isles in 2016. Currently has 80 points in 69 games with the Hat.

The is a dynamic and creative puck mover. Runs a power play like a champ. Oh yeah, he shoots right.

As the 2016 draft progressed I was certain the Oilers were going to STEAL this kid in the 7th round. But nope – they chose Vinnie Deharnais. A blue liner 10 inches taller – who is going to be a fine Quebec Senior player one day but is light years from being even an AHL candidate. Quenneville had 7th round height but 1st round talent. Surely he was worth a risk.

Quenneville may not make the show but in 2016 and now, you had to know his chances were infinitely better than the sled the Oil took aheadof him.

Of course you can’t blame the Oilers for missing the kid. It’s not like Quenneville was lighting it up rightin front of them ….. oh wait ….. he was Tyler Benson’s teammate at SSAC on Edmonton.

This team. Man.

The draft is a crapshoot. You can point to any team and any year and say, damn they shout have drafted this guy.

Stop it, we’re not less random in who we pick than anyone else.

Andy Dufresne

flyfish1168: Edmonton Oilers open for applications for new G.M.

That headlines already been used.

Andy Dufresne

russ99: The draft is a crapshoot. You can point to any team and any year and say, damn they shout have drafted this guy.

Stop it, we’re not less random in who we pick than anyone else.

It gets old fast doesnt it.

Andy Dufresne

Professor Q: Bear is pretty good.

A Chiarelli Pick.

Andy Dufresne

russ99:
We can’t stand pat.

We can’t wait for years for the prospects to bubble up when we are at the beginning of this after one good draft.

The fans deserve a competitive team.

You can’t sell McDavid on three more years of losing.

Katz needs playoff dates.

We’re not as far away as people think, the key to me is to stop thinking about the third line as a scoring line or a kid line, you can find 2 veteran two-away wingers who can play well vs. toughs and penalty kill for $1-2M. We already have 4 top 6 players, finding two more won’t kill us.

And when it all comes down to it, I like Klefbom and Nuge (if he ever embraced he defense) but If trading them gets us back to competing, i’m all for it. But we can’t hold on to favorites as a line in the sand on any sports team. Favorites get traded. Look at our history, look at all other teams.

One of my biggest gripes about Oilers fans is that we were a good team last year, nobody was complaining about trades during the last month of the season and the postseason. But this year, they flip the switch and the knives come out, it doesn’t work that way. You can be angry or disappointed or want the coach or GM fired, but to turn on your team and specific players you’ve formed opinions on before they came here is damn shallow and petty, and this defines our fanbase to others, we’re aduits here for the most part.

I support the Oilers, even the ones I don’t like, like Benning.

Tambellini just called back….He said to tell you to F#ck Off.

Dustylegnd

If you flipped the record (giving Edmonton 35-30-5 currently) it still wouldn’t be enough. That’s why adding a scoring winger and a power-play defenseman doesn’t make sense. You are more than two players away.

Lt, you have hit the nail right the head wit this statement, I look at the Oilers wingers and just shudder, they can’t score and our D can’t move the puck or provide any offense…this is a toxic combination.

And with Connor heading into year 4, this situation is a sin of the highest order, the $CAD is rapidly depreciating with Trump and his trade bravado, thus reducing any faint hope for Chia’s “get out of Jail free” room on the NHL Cap, the Cap increase is a slave to revenue increases with less help from the FX than even 1 month ago.

I said earlier this week, Chia and TMc probably both keep their jobs, therefore we have to pray that Chia looks back and reflect upon where he has succeeded, which is on smaller less significant deals, acquiring players like Maroon and Kassian (later pissing away his good fortune with an ill advised contract for Kassian)

I believe Maroon’s lack of scoring this season both in Edmonton and Jersey has cost him dearly re free agency providing a real possibility that come July 15th he is still unsigned. Chia needs to put on his big boy pants and grind out a value 3 year deal with 0 trade protection.

The Russel contract is an abomination, in the fall of 2016 Russel had no team, Chia signed him to a value contract and then proceeded to bend over the next year, how did Chia honestly believe Russel had any options? That deal should have been 3 years 2.9 mill per with 0 trade protection, good lord.

Chia has built a mess, yes a healthy Kleff and Sek will go a long way to solving a few problems, but the lack of goal scorers on this roster is mind numbing and we have a starting Tender that 3 years later we still can’t trust over a full season.

The Oil have to knock this draft out of the park, but I am convinced instead they go Elephant hunting to expedite success for Connor, the people in charge of hunting said elephants are the gang that couldn’t shoot straight, Lord Help Us

Soup Fascist

russ99: The draft is a crapshoot. You can point to any team and any year and say, damn they shout have drafted this guy.

Stop it, we’re not less random in who we pick than anyone else.

No not when this is a kid that the Oilers were very aware of playing literally in their backyard. They chose to draft a behemoth with limited skill over an Uber talented kid who was “too short”. A systemic problem with this bunch. Maybe Yamo is a sign they are learning …… I doubt it.

--hudson--

Big night in Bakersfield last night beating the Sharks affiliate 8-4 with MacTavish in the house. Hat trick by Josh Currie, 4 point night for Patrick Russell and Polei with a pair.

http://www.bakersfield.com/sports/currie-sparks-condors-to—win-over-san-jose/article_f86894b0-29a0-11e8-9d67-2f9012db12d3.amp.html

Highlights: https://streamable.com/7tcjv

Andy Dufresne

Dustylegnd:
If you flipped the record (giving Edmonton 35-30-5 currently) it still wouldn’t be enough. That’s why adding a scoring winger and a power-play defenseman doesn’t make sense. You are more than two players away.

Lt, you have hit the nail right the head wit this statement, I look at the Oilers wingers and just shudder, they can’t score and our D can’t move the puck or provide any offense…this is a toxic combination.

And with Connor heading into year 4, this situation is a sin of the highest order, the $CAD is rapidly depreciating with Trump and his trade bravado, thus reducing any faint hope for Chia’s “get out of Jail free” room on the NHL Cap, the increase is a slave to revenue increases with less help from the FX than even 1 month ago.

I said earlier this week, Chia and TMc probably both keep their jobs, therefore we have to pray that Chia looks back and reflect upon where he has succeeded, which is on smaller less significant deals, acquiring players like Maroon and Kassian (later pissing away his good fortune with an ill advised contract for Kassian)

I believe Maroon’s lack of scoring this season both in Edmonton and Jersey has cost him dearly re free agency providing a real possibility that come July 15th he is still unsigned.Chia needs to put on his big boy pants and grind out a value 3 year deal with 0 trade protection.

The Russel contract is an abomination, in the fall of 2016 Russel had no team, Chia signed him to a value contract and then proceeded to bend over the next year, how did Chia honestly believe Russel had any options? That deal should have been 3 years 2.9 mill per with 0 trade protection, good lord.

Chia has built a mess, yes a healthy Kleff and Sek will go a long way to solving a few problems, but the lack of goal scorers on this roster is mind numbing and we have a starting Tender that 3 years later we still can’t trust over a full season.

The Oil have to knock this draft out of the park, but I am convinced instead they go Elephant hunting to expedite success for Connor, the people in charge of hunting said elephants are the gang that couldn’t shoot straight, Lord Help Us

Vishnu help us!

(A deity with experience with elephants)

Wilde

russ99:
you can find 2 veteran two-away wingers who can play well vs. toughs and penalty kill for $1-2M. We already have 4 top 6 players, finding two more won’t kill us.

Who are these players?

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2019/caphit/all/forwards/ufa

frjohnk

Dustylegnd,

We are still in the hope phase.

-hope the GM does not have another talent bleeding trade loss in June

-hope that young players/prospects like JP, Bear and Yamamoto can become impact very quickly

-hope that Lucic and Sekera can be better/rebound somewhat after terrible seasons

-hope that 2 of Nurse, Klefbom and Larsson can make the steps to be the top pair needed

-hope that Talbot and the goaltending can be league average/better

-hope for no injuries to McDavid and/or Draisaitl. If this two were to go down for any length of time, we would be toast as we dont have the horses to compensate for these losses

-hope that special teams are at least league average.

leadfarmer

Good to see someone else advocating for a several year long retool. Don’t see anyway out of this mess until the CBA runs out and we can buy out Lucic and get rid of Russell.

But I really am expecting Nuge KleF and JP to be traded this summer. I don’t see these guys being patient.

Also I think people are seeing now why I hated prospect rankings that were published on outlets including LTs second home. Yes our depth is crap but Bear is a legitimate 2nd pairing prospect.
The Leadfarmer guide to defenseman is 3 points: defensive ability, passing and skating.
Bear is a nice plus on the last two and while he definitely needs work on the actual defensive ability he is definitely in the range where you would expect him to be as first year pro. If he was knocking the defensive assignment out of the park already we would be talking about a much more substantial prospect. He Needs another year in AHL but I do think he becomes a 2nd pairing D

frjohnk

Wilde: Who are these players?

Pretty sure one of them is Caggila.

Andy Dufresne

frjohnk:
Dustylegnd,

We are still in the hope phase.

-hope the GM does not have another talent bleeding trade loss in June

-hope that young players/prospects like JP, Bear and Yamamoto can become impact very quickly

-hope that Lucic and Sekera can be better/rebound somewhat after terrible seasons

-hope that 2 of Nurse, Klefbom and Larsson can make the steps to be the top pair needed

-hope that Talbot and the goaltending can be league average/better

-hope for no injuries to McDavid and/or Draisaitl.If this two were to go down for any length of time, we would be toast as we dont have the horses to compensate for these losses

-hope that special teams are at least league average.

If he gets us another Larsson….Ill donate a pint O Positive

2 pints if its OEL

flyfish1168

Jethro Tull:
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Bear we’re show casing.

For the Oilers 2018/19 starting roster.

Andy Dufresne

frjohnk:
Dustylegnd,

We are still in the hope phase.

-hope the GM does not have another talent bleeding trade loss in June

-hope that young players/prospects like JP, Bear and Yamamoto can become impact very quickly

-hope that Lucic and Sekera can be better/rebound somewhat after terrible seasons

-hope that 2 of Nurse, Klefbom and Larsson can make the steps to be the top pair needed

-hope that Talbot and the goaltending can be league average/better

-hope for no injuries to McDavid and/or Draisaitl.If this two were to go down for any length of time, we would be toast as we dont have the horses to compensate for these losses

-hope that special teams are at least league average.

Are you taking a shot at LT here

Because thats pretty much what he just prescribed above.

frjohnk

leadfarmer: Good to see someone else advocating for a several year long retool. Don’t see anyway out of this mess until the CBA runs out and we can buy out Lucic and get rid of Russell.

Yup. We could also hope for a big increase in the cap as well.

leadfarmer: The Leadfarmer guide to defenseman is 3 points: defensive ability, passing and skating.
Bear is a nice plus on the last two and while he definitely needs work on the actual defensive ability he is definitely in the range where you would expect him to be as first year pro. If he was knocking the defensive assignment out of the park already we would be talking about a much more substantial prospect. He Needs another year in AHL but I do think he becomes a 2nd pairing D

I dont see Bear as a good skater. Not that he has been bad, but fast players can easily beat him to the outside. I did see in the Calgary game, in a race through the neutral zone Brodie ( who is a fantastic skater) blew by Bear even though Brodie was behind him a couple of strides. Maybe not fair to compare Bear to a skater like Brodie, but I can see issues Bear will have with guys that can skate. Bear needs a bunch of work done on his quickness.

Andy Dufresne

leadfarmer:
Good to see someone else advocating for a several year long retool.Don’t see anyway out of this mess until the CBA runs out and we can buy out Lucic and get rid of Russell.

But I really am expecting Nuge KleF and JP to be traded this summer.I don’t see these guys being patient.

Also I think people are seeing now why I hated prospect rankings that were published on outlets including LTs second home.Yes our depth is crap but Bear is a legitimate 2nd pairing prospect.
The Leadfarmer guide to defenseman is 3 points:defensive ability, passing and skating.
Bear is a nice plus on the last two and while he definitely needs work on the actual defensive ability he is definitely in the range where you would expect him to be as first year pro.If he was knocking the defensive assignment out of the park already we would be talking about a much more substantial prospect.He Needs another year in AHL but I do think he becomes a 2nd pairing D

Good pick by Chia though right?

frjohnk

Andy Dufresne: Are you taking a shot at LT here

No, LT is not the guy who has painted the Oilers into the corner.

jtblack

Lowetide: Zack Kassian, Laurent Brossoit, Andrej Sekera if he’ll waive, Kris Russell if he’l waive, Milan Lucic if he’ll waive, Ryan Strome, Anton Slepyshev, Drake Caggiula.

Sekera was out best D man last yr. why would we move him out at Rock Bottom value?

Every player with the knee surgery like Sek takes 6 mths to round into form. gurantee he is very Good again next year. keep him

Confused

Tend to argee with LT, quite summer coming up.

Draft, draft and draft
Free agents for the Bake, cut the non-prospects

Cags, Pak, or slep for a Hoffman-type cap dump
Zak 1 -1 for a team willing to trade skill for grit
Russell, Sekera for anything RHD with experience, partially as a cap dump,clearing out a NMC

Andy Dufresne

Lowetide: Zack Kassian, Laurent Brossoit, Andrej Sekera if he’ll waive, Kris Russell if he’l waive, Milan Lucic if he’ll waive, Ryan Strome, Anton Slepyshev, Drake Caggiula.

Thank you. Thats Fair.

The NMC while possible dont seem probable to me this year ( I hope Im wrong) Two years from now Yes.

Strome is a keeper for me ,,,,,but you are right…he falls in the category of tradable.

We’d be looing for the reverse 3 for one.

Youre list does match youre philosophy for the summer.

Based on youre desire, I think you are not going to be happy with the results of the summer.

Lets hope that the changes if they occur are of a nature that provides you with at least some degree of satisfaction/perceived value.

Dont want you to bleed out….metaphorically speaking…haha

Andy Dufresne

Confused:
Tend to argee with LT, quite summer coming up.

Draft, draft and draft
Free agents for the Bake, cut the non-prospects

Cags, Pak, orslep for a Hoffman-type cap dump
Zak 1 -1 for a team willing to trade skill for grit
Russell, Sekera for anything RHD with experience, partially as a cap dump,clearing out a NMC

Cags, Pak, orslep for a Hoffman-type cap dump.

Dove tails in with LTs plan quite nicely

Wilde

jtblack: Sekera was out best D man last yr.why would we move him out at Rock Bottom value?

Every player with the knee surgery like Sek takes 6 mths to round into form. gurantee he is very Good again next year. keep him

It’d the easiest NMC to move.

That’s literally it.

If this team can move ANY money out without it being from the younger half of the roster, you have to do it. Just because some of it must go, and Lucic and Russell’s situation represent an infinitely higher cost to mulligan.

Gret99zky

My Dad used to say, “There’s two kinds of music. Good music and the shit you listen to.”

Haha.

Andy Dufresne

Gret99zky:
My Dad used to say, “There’s two kinds of music.Good music and the shit you listen to.”

Haha.

LOL…..I like him already.