G78 2017-18: Oilers at Canucks

In the last 10 games, Edmonton has a record of 5-3-2. The Vancouver Canucks, who have won two in a row, are 3-7-0 in their last 10 games. Tonight, Edmonton can move into No. 22 in the overall standings, ahead of the Manhattan Rangers. That would mean the Oilers would be scheduled to pick No. 10 before winning the lottery. This winning streak isn’t as bad as the “Patrick Kane victory” but has robbed the organization of an elite talent. Unless……the lottery offers salvation. Again.

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HAMMER ON A DRUM, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • March 2016: 7-7-0, goal differential -2 (14 points)
  • March 2017: 10-2-1, goal differential +21 (21 points)
  • March 2018: 7-5-2, goal differential +3 (16 points)
  • March 28, 2016: Anaheim 2, Edmonton 1 (Source)
  • March 2017 schedule complete

There are two more games to go and both would appear to be winnable (Vancouver and Calgary). A 20-point month would be an insane end to a pretty queer season. The goal differential has taken a major kick in the ass over the last four periods, perhaps the team can get some of it back by Sunday and turkey time.

AFTER 77, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 30-40-7, goal differential -45 (67 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 43-25-9, goal differential +39 (95 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 34-37-6, goal differential -29 (74 points)
  • March 26, 2016: Los Angeles 6, Edmonton 4 (Source)
  • April 1, 2017: Edmonton 3, Anaheim 2 (OT) (Source)

There are 10 points still on the table and if you’re Todd McLellan every damned one of them means something. Now, he doesn’t have his complete roster and running the table is impossible, but driving up to 80 points should be the goal.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM MARCH

  • At home to: Nashville, NY Rangers, Arizona, NY Islanders, Minnesota (Expected 2-3-0) (Actual 3-2-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • On the road to: Florida, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-1) (Actual 3-1-0)
  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, Columbus (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-1-1)
  • On the road to: Vancouver, Calgary (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-7-3, 15 points in 16 games
  • Current results: 7-5-2, 16 points in 14 games

JOE GAMBARDELLA, BAKERSFIELD

  • October-February: 32gp, 5-5-10
  • March: 10gp, 7-0-7
  • Source

I’m preparing an article about Bakersfield’s season for The Athletic, looking at statistical curios and indications that youngsters progressed during the campaign. Joe Gambardella has been on fire in March, scoring seven times in 10 games. Does this indicate a step forward? In my opinion, it’s more likely he is receiving more playing time and with better linemates. You can’t really tell much from a season of fourth-line minutes.

I’m not sure about the criteria (99, Messier, Anderson all scored over 100 in 1982-83 at 21) but McDavid’s presence on this list is incredible. You have to remember the era and just how much adjusting there is to do. The 1981-82 Oilers scored 417 goals, fully 96 more than the league average of 321. This year’s Oilers have scored 220 in a league that is averaging 227. Yeah. The era-adjustment is a monster. If I had a vote, McDavid would be No. 1 on my ballot for the Hart.

Those early Expos teams were part baseball, part carnival. The PA man was a big star (“Johhhn BOCCCCCC-A-BELLLLLLLAAAAAA”) and Claude Raymond (a Canadian) received a hero’s welcome each time he came in from the bullpen. Rusty Staub came to the Expos in a strange trade that almost got reversed (slugger Donn Clendenon wouldn’t report to Houston) but eventually got worked out (cost the Expos a great arm, Jack Billingham). He averaged 27 home runs, 92 rbi’s and 95 runs scored in his three seasons in Canada, Staub was the heart of the order. When they traded him to the Mets, I was spitting nails. The return was handsome (Ken Singleton was a more productive player, Tim Foli an everyday shortstop and Mike Jorgensen possibly the best fielding first baseman in team history), but my hero had been traded. I followed him in New York (he tore the cover off the ball in the 1973 World Series) and to Detroit where he spent some time as an early DH. When he returned to Montreal in 1979, I was thrilled to have him for the pennant race. Rusty Staub died today, and took some of me with him. RIP.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260. It’s our final show of the week and the guests are outstanding:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. Opening day baseball! Plus Easter and family, goodbye Mr. Staub.
  • Andrew Stoeten, The Athletic. Opening day! Jays are going to win 90!
  • Rob Vollman, NHL.com and ESPN. Who deserves the Hart, plus late additions who are helping.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Deadline deals that have worked, and those that haven’t.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio.

 

 

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  1. sliderule says:

    Why does the team play with so little energy at home.

    Is it coaches not able to motivate.

    Is it a young team with too many fan friends wanting to party with them.

    I just can’t figure it out

  2. Confused says:

    Lt,

    Has an interesting tidbit on Joey G, anyone give insight into his actual season?

    Playing 4 to learn D or Bake just pushing others?

    Now playing?

    Strengths, weaknesses???

    Thanks

  3. Dustylegnd says:

    If Stan Bowman can’t handle the tension with Coach Q, I wonder if Edmonton with its OBC meddling and general bad Karma, is even a realistic possibility for Coach Q despite the fact that the very generous Mr Katz would probably be willing to pay him $7 mill per

  4. godot10 says:

    //There are 10 points still on the table and if you’re Todd McLellan every damned one of them means something. Now, he doesn’t have his complete roster and running the table is impossible, but driving up to 80 points should be the goal.//

    The Canucks and Flames have more injuries than the Oilers do. Six guaranteed points for #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach. Connor should be able to run wild.

    #Faux500 is in the bank.

  5. ArmchairGM says:

    “… the Oilers would be scheduled to pick No. 10 before winning the lottery. This winning streak isn’t as bad as the “Patrick Kane victory” but has robbed the organization of an elite talent. Unless……the lottery offers salvation. Again.”

    I can’t wait to see the look on Bettman’s face!

  6. northof51 says:

    This might be an unpopular opinion… But just win, baby. I don’t want a higher draft pick, regardless of the potential for it to “help”. If we ever win anything here, it will feel a little hollow knowing that we needed an infinite supply of lottery and top 10 picks to turn it around. And in case we ever forget, rival fans will be there to remind us. Plus, it seems like there is still good talent available right through the mid first round of this year’s draft.

  7. JimmyV1965 says:

    northof51:
    This might be an unpopular opinion… But just win, baby. I don’t want a higher draft pick, regardless of the potential for it to “help”. If we ever win anything here, it will feel a little hollow knowing that we needed an infinite supply of lottery and top 10 picks to turn it around. And in case we ever forget, rival fans will be there to remind us. Plus, it seems like there is still good talent available right through the mid first round of this year’s draft.

    Ya. I don’t see a huge swing in the quality of player you’re drafting six or 10 anyway. Would rather win

  8. npanciroli says:

    Go get Ho-Sang!

  9. Wayne Kenov says:

    Thoughts on Vladdy Jr.’s walkoff in Montreal? Do you believe the conspiracy theories?

  10. Confused says:

    Two teams nothing to play for, no D no hitting, unless some overly excited rookie hits the ice.

    A McPoints feast in the making!

  11. jtblack says:

    WoodGuy. Vegas is 22-18 since Jan.1 Weak in the fake .500 era. Wondering what your playoff methodology says about them? I am betting on whoever plays them.

  12. Harpers Hair says:

    Confused:
    Two teams nothing to play for, no D no hitting, unless some overly excited rookie hits the ice.

    A McPoints feast in the making!

    Adam Gaudette making his debut for the Canucks tonight…might be worth keeping an eye on.

  13. frjohnk says:

    Harpers Hair: Adam Gaudette making his debut for the Canucks tonight…might be worth keeping an eye on.

    never really heard of him till you posted his name. Looks like he lit it up this year.

  14. Confused says:

    Love, love, love the Rockford icehogs auction jerseys.

    Would attend the final home game of the season to see Lucic playing in one.

    Come on mister Oilers PR man, let’s make this happen, not to mention it is for a good cause.

  15. Doug McLachlan says:

    npanciroli:
    Go get Ho-Sang!

    The @Athletic has an article up by Arthur Staples suggesting that he is not pleased with his current situation. While I am loathe to tell Chia to call Snow for any reason whatsoever, this might be the exception.

  16. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings using points %, expressed as “games over .500”

    Central
    NSH 33
    WPG 28
    MIN 18

    Pacific
    VGK 26
    SJS 21
    LAK 14

    Wildcard
    STL 15
    ANA 14

    Out of playoffs
    COL 13
    DAL 9
    CGY 3
    EDM -3
    CHI -5
    VAN -12
    ARI -12

    I’m pulling for COL.

    EC

    Atlantic
    BOS 30
    TBY 30
    TOR 22

    Metropolitan
    WSH 22
    PIT 15
    CBJ 14

    Wildcard
    PHI 14
    NJD 12

    Out of playoffs
    FLA 10
    CAR 2
    NYR -2
    NYI -3
    MTL -9
    DET -10
    OTT -13
    BUF -16

    I hope NJD can hang on.

    FLA having 3 of their last 8 games vs. BOS isn’t good news for them.

    Even if BOS is resting some regulars at the end of the season they’re still formidable and they might still be playing for first place in the Atlantic.

    EDM draft pick odds: (based on currently being 23rd in the NHL in pts %)

    1st 5.0%
    2nd 5.3%
    3rd 5.7%
    9th 48.8%
    10th 30.7%
    11th 4.3%

    Based on Micah Blake McCurdy’s work here: http://hockeyviz.com/txt/lotto5

  17. Doug McLachlan says:

    godot10:
    //There are 10 points still on the table and if you’re Todd McLellan every damned one of them means something. Now, he doesn’t have his complete roster and running the table is impossible, but driving up to 80 points should be the goal.//

    The Canucks and Flames have more injuries than the Oilers do.Six guaranteed points for #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach.Connor should be able to run wild.

    #Faux500 is in the bank.

    I am ok with #Faux500 as a target. Would also like to win the Gold race, currently trailing Arizona. Worked in the McDavid draft so, you know, why not?

  18. Jethro Tull says:

    For those who questioned Hemsky’s work ethic, frowned upon Hall’s perceived sense of entitlement and accuse TMac of arrogance and lack of inclusion, just wait until you get a load of Ho-Sang, the answer to all our problems, apparently.

  19. Doug McLachlan says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I am pulling for Colorado too, though that probably seals the Hart for McKinnon over McDavid. Really think New Jersey showed its quality during the road-trip from hell. Expect them to beat Pittsburgh tonight and essentially lock it away.

  20. Doug McLachlan says:

    Jethro Tull,

    😉

  21. Harpers Hair says:

    frjohnk: never really heard of him till you posted his name.Looks like he lit it up this year.

    Likely Hobey Baker winner. Projects as a 2-3 line centre.

  22. jtblack says:

    SJS & WSH going to 3rd round in respective conferences. Book it 🙂

  23. Professor Q says:

    Harpers Hair: Adam Gaudette making his debut for the Canucks tonight…might be worth keeping an eye on.

    Knowing the Oilers, that’s a recipe for a first goal.

  24. ArmchairGM says:

    Nice to see Gambardella doing well. His college numbers made me think that he’d be available to the NHL club after just one season in Bakersfield, but things haven’t worked out that way. I see him as a more defensively responsible version of Caggiula, if things work out he could be a great addition to the bottom six in Edmonton.

  25. Doug McLachlan says:

    WG, or anyone who want to take it on, how close is Columbus’ 23-year old LHD Markus Nutivaara as a comparable to Nurse? Just signed a very club friendly 4x$2.7M today.

    I am hearing a lot of $4M+ numbers thrown around for Nurse and I’m not sure that this is the price he commands, but then again…Chia.

  26. Gret99zky says:

    Be careful of hoping for losses to improve draft position. The Hockey Gods may grant 10 straight years of them.

    Win the games and let the scouts do their jobs.

    #culture

  27. ArmchairGM says:

    Jethro Tull:
    For those who questioned Hemsky’s work ethic, frowned upon Hall’s perceived sense of entitlement and accuse TMac of arrogance and lack of inclusion, just wait until you get a load of Ho-Sang, the answer to all our problems, apparently.

    LOL, yup. And while we’re at it, why not sign Evander Kane this summer too?

  28. jake70 says:

    Wayne Kenov:
    Thoughts on Vladdy Jr.’s walkoff in Montreal? Do you believe the conspiracy theories?

    Quite the moment. Hmmm. I haven’t swung a baseball bat competitively since summer 1985 but I am sure I could have done some damage to that hanging slider. 😉

  29. godot10 says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    WG, or anyone who want to take it on, how close is Columbus’ 23-year old LHD Markus Nutivaara as a comparable to Nurse?Just signed a very club friendly 4x$2.7M today.

    I am hearing a lot of $4M+ numbers thrown around for Nurse and I’m not sure that this is the price he commands, but then again…Chia.

    So a 3rd pairing D signs for 4 years and $2.7 million per season. Nurse is playing, arguably a shutdown D role (say a #3D role). It sort of validates $5 million something on a contract twice as long.

  30. YKOil says:

    Zero issues with picking up Ho-Sang if the cost is low (should have been a part of the Eberle trade imo).

    Nutivaara contract is cheap but note that he is an UFA at the end of it; a “be careful what you wish for kind of deal” imo. I am fine with Nurse at 7 to 8 years on a $4.5ish deal (every dollar below a win and every dollar above a loss imo).

  31. Melvis says:

    First We Take Manhattan. Then we add, at the end of every Cohen line: “What are we fighting for…”.

    That’s from Berlin. Marianne Faithful. Put up two screens and try it out. Although the two songs are different tempos, they can loop into something that works.

    In aid of a preliminary, long weekend 80’s era one or two hit wonders, as suggested by Munnie…

    We then “Rise Up”, and Parachute in a righty top 6 and a righty top 4 D. The lefties seem to have absconded with the latter.

    Phew. That was a stretch.

    This is what happens when work begins on the beef bourgignon first thing in the morning and the juicy, Burgundy is just sitting there waiting for a taste. Now for the pate brisee – because I’m making a dozen Fat Melvis © walk around pies out of this.

    Goilers!

  32. Melvis says:

    And the former, I might add.

  33. russ99 says:

    Astros fans loved Rusty Staub too. Big loss.

    “This winning streak isn’t as bad as the “Patrick Kane victory” but has robbed the organization of an elite talent. Unless……the lottery offers salvation. Again.”

    Are we talking lines in the sand again?

    Tank to get the best pick and rebuild for three years to get “Oilers hockey” again vs. a reasonable semblance of what Chiarelli and McLellan bring remaining that can help us succeed in the postseason the next few years?

    Count me in column B.

    I’m not willing to rebuild again due to base organizational philosophical differences between what fans want vs. what wins in the postseason.

  34. Doug McLachlan says:

    godot10,

    The role he plays on the Oilers and the value he has may be two different things.

    Slavin, Maata, Lindholm. In that range then?

  35. SwedishPoster says:

    Filip Berglund with an early assist in game 6 of the SHL quarterfinals to give his team the lead but his team is now down 1-2 after one. Was a great play from Berglund setting up his teammate.

    Been a wild series, his team Skellefteå won the first three, in game 3 the star of his team and recently crowned league MVP took a match penalty that got him suspended for the rest of the series, after that they’ve lost two straight. There’s been a lot of talk in media since Skellefteå feel that the punishment was to harsh and the local media has gotten into a pretty heated debate with swedish national media. Skellefteå have been on the wrong side of a few questionable calls the last couple of playoffs so there’s some anger that has been built up over the years.

    So in this game they took the early lead. Right after that they get a match penalty after a hit that maybe should have gotten him a minor and the home crowd went ape shit, started to throw bottles and stuff on the ice. The other team scored on the five minute PP and later potted another 5 on 5 to make it 2-1 after the first. In this battle of a series Berglund is playing great hockey.

  36. Truth says:

    npanciroli:
    Go get Ho-Sang!

    With Edmonton media’s opinion on Hall, Ho-Sang is sure to be treated well while on the Oilers.

    In all fairness, he has always seemed to be the kid I always disliked too. Good, but way too cocky. The anti-McDavid, if you will.

    Interestingly enough he played on McD’s wing in Midget AAA while putting up major points. If anyone could humble him it would have to be McDavid. Ten times as good, 100 times less self-absorption.

    For reference: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/josh-ho-sang-islanders-prospect/

  37. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I will always cheer for a win. Going to the game on Saturday against a decimated flames squad, why am I certain they’ll lose 1-0 again

  38. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Rusty was adored in NY for his playing days but also all his charity work, including the Police and Fire Widows’ and Children’s Fund; particularly poignant after 9/11.

    RIP

  39. Showerhead says:

    My guess for that age criteria is that TSN used Hockey Reference, whose age cutoff is set to Feb 1.

    That said, I don’t know when those Oilers’ birthday are and I’m typing this without looking them up. I might not be a huge help here 😉

    I looked up goals by 21-and-under Jets for a piece at The Athletic, found that Winnipeg has more goals by players in that age group since before the 04/05 lockout, and then realized Nik Ehlers – 22 as of Feb 14 – is counted as u21 in my data.

    Anyhow there would be something very nice and clean about McDavid passing Anderson. *clap clap*

  40. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    That screen grab omits Dougie Weight’s 102pt year as well.

    Such an underrated player by the MSM.

  41. LadiesloveSmid says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    That screen grab omits Dougie Weight’s 102pt year as well.

    Such an underrated player by the MSM.

    Weight was 24 when he scored 104

  42. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Can we just make Connor McDavid GM?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fnLOEyRx2Y

  43. Confused says:

    How about Du Clair on the cheap — from a recent article cannot be happy.

    Anthony Duclair said he has heard the slurs, seen the gestures.

    The Blackhawks’ lone black player, and one of about 30 in the NHL, Duclair said he was disappointed but not surprised at the racial taunts four fans aimed at Capitals player Devante Smith-Pelly on Saturday night at the United Center.

    Nobody does this crap at Rogers — well at least the home fans.

  44. --hudson-- says:

    Looks like the April Fool’s video slipped early. Gene Principe as the new anthem singer?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2P6Nyhieb0

  45. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Weight was 24 when he scored 104

    Ah I did not see the under 21 stipulation there on my phone.
    Thanks.

  46. Washingtron says:

    What would both Sedins cost in UFA?

  47. jtblack says:

    The Oilers have 29 Power Play Goals this season.

    In 1985-’86 Tim Kerr had 35.

  48. SwedishPoster says:

    Berglund finished the game with one assist and was +3. Is currently tied for first in +/- for the SHL playoffs. His team won 5-2 and they are through to the semifinals.

  49. Nix says:

    ArmchairGM: LOL, yup. And while we’re at it, why not sign Evander Kane this summer too?

    We can draft Merkley for the baditude hat trick.

  50. John Chambers says:

    godot10: So a 3rd pairing D signs for 4 years and $2.7 million per season.Nurse is playing, arguably a shutdown D role (say a #3D role).It sort of validates $5 million something on a contract twice as long.

    $5M is probably too high for Nurse given that he doesn’t bring much offense.

    He should fall more into the Larsson / Jonas Brodin pay grade of $4 – $4.25M. Guys who have scored 35+ points in a season (Ristolainen, Lindholm, Slavin) get paid in excess of $5M.

    The reason for Nurse to sign a 7- or 8-year deal would be the financial security of having $30M in guaranteed income. If he holds out for $5M +, then you can default to the Trouba deal ($6M over 2 years), which puts the onus on Nurse to better his performance while not risking a career-ending injury.

    The Oilers hold a lot of cards in this negotiation, but, of course, there’s Chia …

  51. John Chambers says:

    ArmchairGM: LOL, yup. And while we’re at it, why not sign Evander Kane this summer too?

    I wouild wager that Kane has grown out of his maturity problems. He is putting together a fine fine season and is an absolute driver in San Jose.

    Sometimes these young guys just really do need to ‘grow up’. And when they do they don’t go back.

  52. Nix says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Berglund finished the game with one assist and was +3. Is currently tied for first in +/- for the SHL playoffs. His team won 5-2 and is through to the semifinals.

    Yeah, but what’s his storback/60?

  53. Doug McLachlan says:

    Confused,

    Duclair is interesting. The Hawks can qualify him at his current salary, $1.2M but he has arbitration rights. What is a one-time 20g man worth?

    Chicago is close enough to the cap that they might balk at an arbitration number that is too high but would be curious to see what his market value would be.

  54. frjohnk says:

    John Chambers: $5M is probably too high for Nurse given that he doesn’t bring much offense.

    He should fall more into the Larsson / Jonas Brodin pay grade of $4 – $4.25M. Guys who have scored 35+ points in a season (Ristolainen, Lindholm, Slavin) get paid in excess of $5M.

    The reason for Nurse to sign a 7- or 8-year deal would be the financial security of having $30M in guaranteed income. If he holds out for $5M +, then you can default to the Trouba deal ($6M over 2 years), which puts the onus on Nurse to better his performance while not risking a career-ending injury.

    The Oilers hold a lot of cards in this negotiation, but, of course, there’s Chia …

    Connor Murphy signed his second contract at a AAV $3.8M at age 23 in 2016
    Hamonic signed his second contract at a AAV $3.8M at age 22 in 2013
    Severson signed his second contract at a AAV $4.1M at age 22 in 2017
    Olli Maata signed his second contract at a AAV $4M at age 21 in 2016 .

    Klefbom signed his second contract at a AAV $4.1M at age 22 in 2015
    Larsson signed his second contract at a AAV $4.1M at age 22 in 2015

    If one looks at what Nurse has done this year and compared him to those guys at the time of their signings, Nurse is ahead of them compared to those guys when they signed.

    Factoring in that the salary cap has increased from those signings, and he is talked about being with Leon and Connor in the core, I really wouldnt be surprised to see Nurse command north of $5M on a long term deal

    Mike Matheson signed for a $4.8M deal last year for 8 years.

    I bet Nurses agent believes Nurse is better than Matheson.

  55. bendelson says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Berglund finished the game with one assist and was +3. Is currently tied for first in +/- for the SHL playoffs. His team won 5-2 and they are through to the semifinals.

    That’s the same team that both Jonatan Berggren and Albin Eriksson will be playing on next season, correct? They both got into some games at the end of the season this year… are they playing in the playoffs?

  56. bendelson says:

    Whatever Nurse signs for… it should be less than what Hanifin signs for…
    If I’m Hanifin’s agent, I wait for the Chia overpay on Nurse before talking numbers with the Carolina GM (whoever that may be…)

  57. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Wayne Kenov:
    Thoughts on Vladdy Jr.’s walkoff in Montreal? Do you believe the conspiracy theories?

    Can’t get away from conspiracy theories these days. There’s even one for preseason baseball games, apparently.

    That said, I did hear that my Cards hired a crisis actor to pitch the bottom of the 9th. Some dude named Ralph Branca.

    PS: RIP Le Grand Orange. Condolences to our host, who was a huge fan. As mentioned I’m a Cards fan since before the Expos existed, but from inception the ‘Spos became (& remain) my #2. Used to watch Wednesday Night Baseball & root for Staub to pull another one into the swimming pool beyond the right field fence at Jarry Park.

  58. --hudson-- says:

    Todd’s pregame. Some of the questions weren’t picked up by the mic and had no time to transcribe.
    – talk about defending better
    – Khaira’s development
    – McDavid’s game
    – Brief look back at the season, organization didn’t know how to manage expectations?! The team thought they had it in the bag after the opener versus Calgary?! I do not believe what I just heard. If you have a moment, I recommend listening to the last couple minutes.

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Rtn9OUu5U
    ————————————————–
    Q: Todd practice yesterday, pregame skate, ready to refresh after what you called maybe your poorest outing in a month or so?
    A: I would say that’s fair and that’s what we did call it. We weren’t very committed to playing the type of hockey we’d played for the previous three and a half weeks against Columbus and that’s disappointing, but we’ve got to move on now, and I’d like to think that we can rebound, and get back to that commitment level that we’ve had for a long time.

    Q: What specifically did you see in your own end that you don’t want to see tonight?
    A: Just about everything, you know, it was… we didn’t give up many shots but we gave up a lot of grade A scoring chances. We didn’t win any races to pucks, we didn’t kill the cycle, we weren’t very good in and around our blue paint, and secondary opportunities. So, that kind of sums up the evening and when you speak that way postgame usually you’ve given up six or seven as was the case.

    Q: {question about Khaira}
    A: Well I really liked JJ’s training camp, he came in and he came convinced and committed to making the team, and he made everybody open up their eyes. He had a tremendous exhibition season, entered the regular season on the roster, and then I think he took a bit of a deep breath, and it caught up to him… took a little while to get him back to the level that he needed to be, and get comfortable and confident again, and the most positive sign is he hasn’t let his game slip since then. He learned his lesson and he’s applied himself, become a very trusting player that we can use in in all different situations, and as we move forward I think he’ll work his way up the ladder as a committed player, and we’re happy to have him.

    Q: {follow-up question about Khaira}
    A: No, the skillset for me has been there, he’s got a tremendous set of hands, and he’s got a good brain. The physical side of his game has always been there. It’s just putting it all together and consistently bringing it to the rink, and everybody evolves at their own pace and, you know, some guys blossom a little bit later than others. JJ needed that time, you know, you could see in his junior career, his college career, it took a little time and a few adjustments to get it, and now he’s there and, you know, I’m anticipating that he can not only maintain his position on our team and in the league, but also strengthen it.

    Q: {question about McDavid} … his game right now seems to be as good as maybe has ever been what is his motivation, what surprises you if anything on a daily basis about him?
    A: Well there aren’t any more surprises on our behalf, we’ve been able to see him now for three years. You know I’m gonna use the words commitment level, and his pride that he has, and the leadership skills and qualities that he’s portraying right now. But that’s not a surprise to anybody in our locker room and it really shouldn’t be to anybody at least in the Western Conference that gets to see him all the time. So, he’s driven it doesn’t matter where you are in the standings. He wants to be, and he wants his team more importantly, to be the best they could be every night, and he’s pushing himself that way, and he expects everybody to follow.

    Q: {question about the season}
    A: Well we didn’t play well enough, you know, you can then pick and prod at different areas of the game, but we had concerns coming into the season that we would be forced to deal with high expectations, something that the organization hadn’t dealt with in over a decade, and I thought the training camp went off fairly well, the first game was very good against Calgary. I think at that point that’s where we began to relax, when we didn’t need to relax, we needed to push a little bit more. Once you begin to spiral, it’s hard to come out of it, other teams were prepared to get off to a fresh start, you know, from there we can talk about individuals, we can talk about, you know, special teams, the coaching staff, a number of things that will get discussed, you know, in the next couple of weeks. But right now, we’re not going there, we’re gonna focus on the five games that we have left, and try and move the needle in the right direction.

    Q: {follow-up question about the season}
    A: Oh I don’t think we anticipated it was going to be easy. I think we came to work, I believe we came to work, we showed that for the most part in exhibition season, we got off to like I said a real good start in game one. After that game I think we took our foot off the gas, and not thinking it was going to be easy, but just thinking that we could, you know, play it at a lower level than what was needed to have success, and that doesn’t happen in this league. It’s just, it’s been proven over and over again, so lesson learned, I hope.

  59. jtblack says:

    Random Hockey Fact:

    With their first 3 selections in the 2007 Entry Draft, MTL selected:

    Ryan McDonagh (12)
    Max Pacioretty (22)
    P.K. Subban (43)

    WOW!

  60. John Chambers says:

    jtblack:
    Random Hockey Fact:

    With their first 3 selections in the 2007 Entry Draft, MTL selected:

    Ryan McDonagh (12)
    Max Pacioretty (22)
    P.K. Subban (43)

    WOW!

    It serves as a caution: Beware who you trade away.

    Along with Price they should’ve been competing in the Conference Finals annually since 2011.

  61. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    –hudson–,

    – You know in the middle of that interview, Coach’s take is exactly mine. When Conner scored that crazy goal and was on fire in game 1, I think the whole team just figured its go time.

    – Then the wheels fell off, and they panicked and not having the experience and the coaching not able to handle it, the whole thing blew up, as they struggled with the pressure of losing

    – I’ve said almost the same thing in other threads

    – So I guess I’m a sh%t fan, seeing the things the same way as our sh$t coach!

    – Going to be a heck of an off-season with lots of scrutiny over changes made or not

  62. Spooky Lynx says:

    The Yankees Triumvirate has reared it’s head 5 innings into the season. They are going to be fascinating to watch this year.

  63. Jethro Tull says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    –hudson–,

    – You know in the middle of that interview, Coach’s take is exactly mine.When Conner scored that crazy goal and was on fire in game 1, I think the whole team just figured its go time.

    – Then the wheels fell off, and they panicked and not having the experience and the coaching not able to handle it, the whole thing blew up, as they struggled with the pressure of losing

    – I’ve said almost the same thing in other threads

    – So I guess I’m a sh%t fan, seeing the things the same way as our sh$t coach!

    – Going to be a heck of an off-season with lots of scrutiny over changes made or not

    You know something? TMac is not a shit coach. Maybe not right for this team, but not shit. He has his bad and good points.

    Accountability is something that was absolutely craved here. Well, here’s a coach that has called players out when they have not been good, and some of them have not been good for most of the season.

    In fact, a few have been worse than not good; they’ve had absolutely no effect on the game, good or bad.

  64. jtblack says:

    John Chambers: It serves as a caution: Beware who you trade away.

    Along with Price they should’ve been competing in the Conference Finals annually since 2011.

    Yah they turned that into:
    Scott Gomez
    Pacioretty
    Weber

    The Gomez deal was atrocious. Weber deal will look worse with each passing year.

  65. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Just my take and feel free to ignore it, but you make some fair points sometimes that make people stop and consider other possibilities. That’s great.

    Then you go back to the ironic ‘Chia/Tmc/I’ must be $hit thing and it just hurts not only your good points but it makes it hard to pull out the nuances to move the conversation forward.

    It is possible to criticize individual decisions without blaming it all on the person behind them. But we are left with no room for that.

    Just calling it like I see it and feel free to ignore.

  66. Pouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: Accountability

    Not sure if serious.

  67. Georges says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    “– So I guess I’m a sh%t fan, seeing the things the same way as our sh$t coach!”

    I’m confident you’re not a sh%t fan, kinger.

    But, yeah, our coach is sh$t.

    That’s OK. Almost all coaches are, because the business is winning and losing, and, in the end, there’s only one real winner and a few sort of winners. Winners and sort of winners get to almost surely keep their jobs. But you can only sort of win for so long before someone asks the uncomfortable question: why don’t you just win? So there’s risk in only sort of winning for too long.

    With our HC, the question doesn’t even have to be uncomfortable because he didn’t even stitch together a period of sort of winning. He kept things simple and mostly lost. Mostly losing coaches are mostly fired. Because they have a hand in the losing or, more charitably, they’ve shown they can’t do anything about the losing. So teams turn the page and look for someone else. It makes perfect sense.

    You don’t even have to have an opinion on his coaching style, tactics, or systems. His record speaks for itself. 3 seasons, when you look at historical coaching tenures, is plenty, especially when, after the 3rd season, we’re just a few steps away from where we were before we drafted a generational player and signed the veteran coach who was supposed to take us to faraway places but ended up taking us to very familiar ones instead.

    There’s nothing left to teach. No belief systems to imprint. No more talk about playing the right way when the results are way wrong. Our HC failed his test, badly. I look forward to hearing him compliment the team in orange and run down his next team in future post-games.

  68. Woogie63 says:

    At the end of 75 games I think there is more questions than answers on who the players are.

    Name – want him to be – might be

    McDavid -1C-1C
    RNH -1LW – 3C
    Rattie -1 RW- AHL player
    Lucic -2LW- 3LW
    Driasaitl 2C-1RW
    Puljujarvi 1RW-3RW
    Caggiula-3LW – 4LW
    Strome 3C -3RW
    Äberg 2RW-4RW
    Slepyshev 2RW-4LW
    Khaira 4C-3LW
    Kassian 3RW-AHL player
    Pakarinen 4RW – AHL player
    Klefbom 1LSD -2 LSD
    Larsson 1 RSD – 2 RSD
    Nurse 1 LSD – 2LSD
    Russell 2LSD – 3 RSD
    Sekera 2LSD – 7 dman
    Benning 2RSD – 3RSD
    Bear 2RSD – 3RSD
    Talbot 1G- 1A/B
    Montoya 2G – AHL player
    LB -1 A/B – AHL player

  69. godot10 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    –hudson–,

    – You know in the middle of that interview, Coach’s take is exactly mine.When Conner scored that crazy goal and was on fire in game 1, I think the whole team just figured its go time.

    – Then the wheels fell off, and they panicked and not having the experience and the coaching not able to handle it, the whole thing blew up, as they struggled with the pressure of losing

    – I’ve said almost the same thing in other threads

    – So I guess I’m a sh%t fan, seeing the things the same way as our sh$t coach!

    – Going to be a heck of an off-season with lots of scrutiny over changes made or not

    The training camp was a effing mess. That is why they were not ready to start the season. McLellan deflecting blame again.

    He seems to have forgotten that he changed everything up in the last preseason game. He seems to have forgotten that he was playing Klefbom and Larsson 25 minutes in a preseason game. He seems to have forgotten that instead of getting his middle forwards ready, he was jerking around with Yamamoto.

  70. Wilde says:

    This Ho-Sang stuff, I mean come on, fellas.

    We need prime talent and we aren’t going to draft a 22 year old.

    We need to acquire skill without shipping any more out.

    So we’re looking in the damaged goods isle, so what?

    We’re ugly folks, we’re not getting a hot girlfriend who’s ALSO mentally stable.

  71. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    godot10: The training camp was a effing mess. That is why they were not ready to start the season.McLellan deflecting blame again.

    He seems to have forgotten that he changed everything up in the last preseason game.He seems to have forgotten that he was playing Klefbom and Larsson 25 minutes in a preseason game.He seems to have forgotten that instead of getting his middle forwards ready, he was jerking around with Yamamoto.

    – a few things about this:

    1) coach needed Larsson and klef to play that amount because no sek. But they were both injured and he was pooched. Riding them was the right strategy

    2) turns out coach was right- while some wingers have come around it took awhile. Sleppy got hurt when he was looking good. I tend to think coach knew scoring non Nuge drai mcd was a challenge and he took the hot hand in Kailer because no one else stepped up as a winger

    – I think he has dropped clues about that he thought about the team. Still might make him a bad coach but man flu bug 0 sh% from every winger. Talbot letting in 1st shots and just awful

    – Georges says coach has to go. He will be proved right. If he stays and they rebound it won’t be enough.

    – If new coach comes in and the team will be a lot better regardless aa

  72. Halfwise says:

    godot10: The training camp was a effing mess. That is why they were not ready to start the season.McLellan deflecting blame again.

    He seems to have forgotten that he changed everything up in the last preseason game.He seems to have forgotten that he was playing Klefbom and Larsson 25 minutes in a preseason game.He seems to have forgotten that instead of getting his middle forwards ready, he was jerking around with Yamamoto.

    My view: After Chia did not do enough in the off-season, pre season was respectable and Game One was epic. Who relaxed? Management decided they could gamble on KY for the first month of the season and there was no downside.

    Wrong.

    Piss off the veterans. Lose winnable games. Fail to establish workable lines at the top of the order. Make CMD play short handed for games on end. Dig a hole that the whole league can see, making trades more costly.

    Whoever the brain trust is in this organization, they need to get smacked with a Clue by Four. Mid April at the latest.

  73. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde:
    This Ho-Sang stuff, I mean come one, fellas.

    We need prime talent and we aren’t going to draft a 22 year old.

    We need to acquire skill without shipping any more out.

    So we’re looking in the damaged goods isle, so what?

    We’re ugly folks, we’re not getting a hot girlfriend who’s ALSO mentally stable.

    Agreed. It won’t cost a lot. Third rounder maybe. I would sit down and chat with Connor first. They’ve played together.

  74. Wilde says:

    Georges:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    You don’t even have to have an opinion on his coaching style, tactics, or systems. His record speaks for itself. 3 seasons, when you look at historical coaching tenures, is plenty, especially when, after the 3rd season, we’re just a few steps away from where we were before we drafted a generational player and signed the veteran coach who was supposed to take us to faraway places but ended up taking us to very familiar ones instead.

    This could largely be said with GM instead of HC as well, I feel

  75. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965: Agreed. It won’t cost a lot.Third rounder maybe. I would sit down and chat with Connor first. They’ve played together.

    Thing is, Doug Weight’s opinion probably also carries value to player personnel folks in the Oilers org.

    I know if they haven’t learned their lesson about culture-hunting now, they never will, but… that way lay sadness.

  76. Bag of Pucks says:

    Wilde: This could largely be said with GM instead of HC as well, I feel

    Actually, that’s less tenable because the roster from this year to last is not substantially worse but the results have been. Moreover, almost every player has trended downward outside a notable handful.

    Chiareiii may be a problem. MacLellan is definitely a problem.

  77. Bank Shot says:

    Wilde:
    This Ho-Sang stuff, I mean come on, fellas.

    We need prime talent and we aren’t going to draft a 22 year old.

    We need to acquire skill without shipping any more out.

    So we’re looking in the damaged goods isle, so what?

    We’re ugly folks, we’re not getting a hot girlfriend who’s ALSO mentally stable.

    What about Ho-Sang is a prime talent besides his mouth?

    His junior numbers are good but not great.
    His AHL numbers are good but not great.
    His NHL numbers are good for his age. He does have 6 goals in 40+ games so he wasnt exactly killing it though.

    If he’s a 10 goal, 30 assist forward that goal sucks to get his points, is that a guy that makes this hockey team better?

    His junior numbers are well short of a guy like Yamamoto.

    Where does an all offence guy with not so great offence fit on the Oilers going forward?

    Can Ho-Sang beat out a guy like Rattie who has a better history of scoring without the attitufe?

  78. Wilde says:

    Bag of Pucks: Actually, that’s less tenable because the roster from this year to last is not substantially worse but the results have been. Moreover, almost every player has trended downward outside a notable handful.

    Chiareiii may be a problem. MacLellan is definitely a problem.

    That’s true, but you have to place almost all of the blame on McLellan for Chiarelli to look okay here… the GM got supremely unlucky on all of his bets, but if you have to be good to be lucky, then…

  79. Wilde says:

    Bank Shot: What about Ho-Sang is a prime talent besides his mouth?

    His junior numbers are good but not great.
    His AHL numbers are good but not great.
    His NHL numbers are good for his age. He does have 6 goals in 40+ games so he wasnt exactly killing it though.

    If he’s a 10 goal, 30 assist forward that goal sucks to get his points, is that a guy that makes this hockey team better?

    His junior numbers are well short of a guy like Yamamoto.

    Where does an all offence guy with not so great offence fit on the Oilers going forward?

    Can Ho-Sang beat out a guy like Rattie who has a better history of scoring without the attitufe?

    By prime talent I mean adding to the 22-23yo cluster, cause a few of our guys in that range are going to be gone/should be gone this summer

    I’ve posted on Ho-Sang’s numbers before, but basically he’s an extremely potent scorer in limited minutes halfway down the lineup in the NHL, which is a good fit for this team, considering we lack exactly that kind of presence on the Drai/Strome line.

    Think like 2.20+/60 with a sustainable individual and on ice shooting %, and respectable shot and goal shares.

    I’ll try to find my old post or I’ll just grab them again, it’s not like they changed since then, thanks for keeping me honest though

  80. leadfarmer says:

    What this team really needs is a me first player without much nhl experience

  81. Pouzar says:

    So Drake was -4 last game and a disaster defensively.
    Line 2 tonight sound about right?

    Yeah Pouz but he scored on the PP!!!!

    Accountability my frickin ass.

  82. Jethro Tull says:

    Pouzar: Not sure if serious.

    Not sure if grammar.

  83. Jethro Tull says:

    Pouzar:
    So Drake was -4 last game and a disaster defensively.
    Line 2 tonight sound about right?

    Yeah Pouz but he scored on the PP!!!!

    Accountability my frickin ass.

    So, can I make up counter-arguments for you?

  84. Munny says:

    Let’s Go Oilers!!

    *clap clap*

  85. Munny says:

    Drai nearly committed highway robbery

  86. Munny says:

    Lucic robbed in return

  87. Munny says:

    Jewel out there with Khaira.

    Edit: back to L2. Coulda swore I saw him out here with 16 earlier

  88. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Woogie63,

    – Its a good way of looking at things.

    – It highlights the D: last year Klef-Larsson were a top-line pairing, and Sek outstanding, who could turd-polish while allowing Nurse/Benning/Russell/Gryba to be deployed properly

    – So they either hope the top 3 get better, or trade Klef at a discount, or trade a Nuge to get more D

    – Not sure what the solution is

    – Nurse progressed but didn’t emerge as top-line. Benning was decent in 3 RHDI thought, and Rusell be Russeling. Can you afford to hope all of Klef Sek Larsson return to form?

    – Russel’s been better it appears, so there is that.

  89. Spooky Lynx says:

    Did Jussi Jokenin just beat out an icing against the Oilers?

    Did I just see that with my own two eyes?

    Vancouver officially wins the Jokenin/Cammalleri trade.

  90. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde: By prime talent I mean adding to the 22-23yo cluster, cause a few of our guys in that range are going to be gone/should be gone this summer

    I’ve posted on Ho-Sang’s numbers before, but basically he’s an extremely potent scorer in limited minutes halfway down the lineup in the NHL, which is a good fit for this team, considering we lack exactly that kind of presence on the Drai/Strome line.

    Think like 2.20+/60 with a sustainable individual and on ice shooting %, and respectable shot and goal shares.

    I’ll try to find my old post or I’ll just grab them again, it’s not like they changed since then, thanks for keeping me honest though

    My only hesitation with Ho Sang is he might be a pass first guy.

  91. flyfish1168 says:

    Is Bear hurt or just a healthy scratch? If healthy scratch did they say why?

  92. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Spooky Lynx:

    Vancouver officially wins the Jokenin/Cammalleri trade.

    – Is Cammi injured? Haven’t heard about him in 10 days it seems…

  93. Munny says:

    “Look out”… McDavid.

  94. chefmclean says:

    Ummmm…

  95. JonyPro says:

    Well I’m glad Gagner hasn’t played for the Oilers for a while now

  96. delooper says:

    Nice to see McD playing well. Seems like a so-so game, so far. Haven’t watched an Oilers game in about two months now.

    The Sedins are looking mortal.

  97. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Not often you see an NHL player make 3 other NHL players look silly within 0.7 seconds.
    F Me. Can we just play another 82 games right now to see how ridiculous this gets?

  98. Lowetide says:

    Mc\David is insane.

  99. Munny says:

    “Thanks for braving the rain…”

    Rain.

    Poor little pumpkins.

  100. OmJo says:

    Does every Pepsi “thanks” commercial have to end with a player with an accent?

  101. OilClog says:

    Accountability and this coaching staff are exact opposites.

    Knowing how to win in the playoffs and this coaching staff are exact opposites. They lost because they were out coached. On the ice and in the media scrums. 37-38, never pass a 3rd round.

    Jesse was scoring when given a chance in preseason behind Yams, the coach had a Yam addiction.

    Like he had a Letestu addiction, he owns the leagues worst pk in history until his drug was taken away from him, Wiithout mentioning one of the ugliest powerplay this game has ever seen with a transcendent talent available.

    After 10 seasons a system in place that can make any backup iced against him look like the 2nd coming of Patrick Roy.

    The GM wanted Leon up the middle fulltime last summer, in the fall, all winter, and didn’t get it til the spring.

    Everyone wanted Nuge’s brain attached to Connors line, it just took 3 years to try. Seriously.

    The team in Orange needs a man behind the bench that is going to war for the team in orange, not acting like they should be blessed for his generous thoughts about what’s not going right.

    Fire team Fancy Suits.

  102. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Quote of the month:

    Wilde:

    We’re ugly folks, we’re not getting a hot girlfriend who’s ALSO mentally stable.

  103. Munny says:

    Great hands by Strome, but nothing comes of it.

  104. Lowetide says:

    Strome line has some jump tonight.

  105. delooper says:

    Munny:
    “Thanks for braving the rain…”

    Rain.

    Poor little pumpkins.

    Sunny and 10c here for most of the day. But there was a light drizzle in the morning. Looks like a raccoon took one of my chickens today.

  106. Zelepukin says:

    Strome and Pujo setting up every shift.

  107. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Sekera having a strong game.

  108. Ben says:

    McDavid doing to Gagner’s soul what Kassian did to his face.

  109. delooper says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Sekera having a strong game.

    Sekera seems to either grind the Sedins to a standstill or beat them clean. Wasn’t sure if Sekera was playing well or the Sedins were poisoned.

  110. chefmclean says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Sekera having a strong game.

    I’m seeing the same thing. Looks more aggressive/confident out there.

  111. Wilde says:

    I remain unsure you can pencil in Nurse-Larsson as a tough minutes pairing next year

  112. Lowetide says:

    After One

    1-0 Edmonton
    Shots 10-10
    Corsi for 5×5: 22-17 Edmonton

  113. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    McDavid just continues to add elements to his game I did not know he had. But then again it was Samwise he outmuscled.

  114. chefmclean says:

    Wilde:
    I remain unsure you can pencil in Nurse-Larsson as a tough minutes pairing next year

    Nurse is a 2LHD right now. Be patient with him, keep Klef.

  115. Wilde says:

    By the way, the Chiefs game is 2-0 them, Yamamoto no point but on the ice for both goals pretty sure.

  116. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    You keep all of Klef, Nurse, Larsson.

    Still find a way to add a minute munching RHD to the mix. Sekera and Russell are fine for now but will be gone soon.

    A top 4 RHD who can calm the waters remains a priority in my mind.

  117. chefmclean says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    You keep all of Klef, Nurse, Larsson.

    Still find a way to add a minute munching RHD to the mix. Sekera and Russell are fine for now but will be gone soon.

    A top 4 RHD who can calm the waters remains a priority in my mind.

    Demers?

  118. Wilde says:

    chefmclean,

    ‘Zona probably keeps him

  119. Munny says:

    I thought they had stopped calling slewfoots.

  120. Wilde says:

    Kailer Yamamoto just hurt one of the Winterhawks pretty bad on a slapshot

  121. Munny says:

    Garret struggles with just regular stats.

  122. Munny says:

    Natch.

  123. Munny says:

    Lyle Oberg robbed by Markstrom.

  124. JimmyV1965 says:

    Seems a bit weird that offside is reviewable, but icing isn’t.

  125. Munny says:

    Cags finds something useful to do.

  126. Mike Wazowski says:

    Munny:
    “Thanks for braving the rain…”

    Rain.

    Poor little pumpkins.

    Thanks for braving a quarter inch of snow sounded more ridiculous.

  127. Pretendergast says:

    Man these teams move slowly, this is not ELPH except Connor

  128. Lowetide says:

    After Two

    1-1 tie (1-0 Van in the second)
    Shots 24-18 Edmonton (14-8 Edmonton in the second)
    Corsi for 5×5: 39-26 Edmonton (17-9 Edmonton in the second)

    Oilers should win this game if the underlying numbers win the day.

  129. Wilde says:

    Lowetide:
    After Two

    1-1 tie (1-0 Van in the second)
    Shots 24-18 Edmonton (14-8 Edmonton in the second)
    Corsi for 5×5: 39-26 Edmonton (17-9 Edmonton in the second)

    Oilers should win this game if the underlying numbers win the day.

    3rd unit is owning shots and chances despite only 5-4 OZ/DZ split

  130. Munny says:

    Mike Wazowski,

    Agreed. Not a good line either.

  131. Wilde says:

    I think Rattie might have to come off that line. They’re not gonna run from their shot and chance share forever.

  132. Offside says:

    If Talbot had a .917 save percentage, I bet McDavid would be the front runner to win the Hart

  133. Lowetide says:

    Wilde:
    I think Rattie might have to come off that line. They’re not gonna run from their shot and chance share forever.

    Puljujarvi is there, available.

  134. frjohnk says:

    Offside:
    If Talbot had a .917 save percentage, I bet McDavid would be the front runner to win the Hart

    Chia should have signed Scott Foster as a goalie.

    Another failure by our GM ?

  135. Wilde says:

    Lowetide: Puljujarvi is there, available.

    He’s almost /too/ available, though.

  136. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide: Puljujarvi is there, available.

    TMac “uh, anybody else?”

  137. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    Did McDavid gain 2 inches and 15 pounds overnight and no one told me?

  138. Confused says:

    Lowetide,

    Perhaps Todd might play Slep, more likely Cammy

  139. Munny says:

    Bloody hell.

  140. Ribs says:

    Talbot bit embarrassingly hard on that one. Ouch.

  141. striatic says:

    Draisaitl in the middle of nowhere on that one.

  142. Lowetide says:

    Strome needs to work on his accuracy.

  143. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Beyond horrible in the D zone.

  144. Wilde says:

    Spokane’s let in a game-tier then had to kill a 5v3

  145. Munny says:

    Great pass by Kass.

  146. Wilde says:

    This is poor timing for Yohann Auvitu to have his worst game of the year, in terms of his career prospects

  147. Ribs says:

    After a hard battle along the boards in the offensive zone earlier in the game, we saw “The Guys in White” finally win the puck. Puljujarvi gets it. Passes it directly to the other team. Pucks goes the other way.

    Hard for a coach to trust someone that does that. Still a kid. But these are the things he needs to fix.

  148. Munny says:

    Seksy saves a goal.

  149. godot10 says:

    Pierre-Luc Dubois with the hattrick against the Flames tonight.

  150. Munny says:

    Nurse managed the puck on that line change nicely.

  151. Wilde says:

    Ribs,

    Kind of like the other wingers on the team ahead of him?

  152. Lowetide says:

    If the score remains the same, the game will feel like a bookend for Game 2 of the season. Edmonton got behind on a soft goal against and could never catch up. The Canucks are making things difficult and the Oilers are making things easy.

  153. Munny says:

    Connor is an actual assassin.

  154. JimmyV1965 says:

    I don’t think I’ve written a single post this year questioning the coach’s deployment of JP, but tonight was utterly ridiculous. The kid has a great game tonight and he’s the one guy that doesn’t get a look on the PP. The coach juggles the lines a bit and of course it’s JP who gets demoted. What kind of message are you sending to the kid?

  155. Munny says:

    Aberg working hard on that shift.

  156. Wilde says:

    Spokane’s lost a heartbreaker, had the lead multiple times.

    Kailer seems to have been told to shoot less, or made the decision himself…

  157. Munny says:

    Ribs:
    After a hard battle along the boards in the offensive zone earlier in the game, we saw “The Guys in White” finally win the puck. Puljujarvi gets it. Passes it directly to the other team. Pucks goes the other way.

    Hard for a coach to trust someone that does that. Still a kid. But these are the things he needs to fix.

    Some damn nice arrows this year, but I have no problem taking time with his development.

  158. Munny says:

    Big Three time.

  159. Pretendergast says:

    spokane give up 2 goals in 7 seconds with 7 minutes left to lose 4-3

  160. Munny says:

    Oh Strome alone.

  161. Ribs says:

    I don’t know what to tell you guys. It’s always been this way. You have to earn the trust of your coach. You could argue the need to swap out the coach, but 98 still does things that any NHL coach is going to sit him for.

    He’s still so young. Wait it out a bit. If it’s there, it will emerge.

  162. Ribs says:

    Munny: Some damn nice arrows this year, but I have no problem taking time with his development.

    Thumbs Up!

  163. Lowetide says:

    Strome is a frustrating player but he has talent.

  164. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Same one as he sent Brossoit.

    You are not a part of the team and I do not trust you.

  165. Pretendergast says:

    looch, woof

  166. Munny says:

    Lowetide:
    If the score remains the same, the game will feel like a bookend for Game 2 of the season. Edmonton got behind on a soft goal against and could never catch up. The Canucks are making things difficult and the Oilers are making things easy.

    This better mean a 3-0 victory against the Flames and CMD hattrick ahead.

  167. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Lucic is too slow for 6 v 5.

    Think we’ve had just about enough of McLellan.

  168. godot10 says:

    Munny: This better mean a 3-0 victory against the Flames and CMD hattrick ahead.

    The Flames are as devastated by injury as the Canucks. It should be as easy a win for the Oilers as this game was.

  169. Hockey Project says:

    Yeah… I get having confidence in a veteran player, but if I were scratching for a goal in the last minute, with an empty net, I probably wouldn’t put a man on the ice who has scored only once in his previous 41 games.

  170. Melvis says:

    Tonight I find myself missing The Edmonton Trappers and triple A ball on the the prairies. Nolan Ryan, that bastard.

  171. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Lowetide:
    Strome is a frustrating player but he has talent.

    Islanders fans were saying that exact thing for years.

    He is what he is, folks.

    A replaceable part who never has put his talent together into a bigger role.

  172. Bling says:

    McLellan must just close his eyes when he sends Lucic out there in the final minute with the goalie pulled.

    Can’t connect on a beauty pass, can’t control the puck along the boards for a zone entry TWICE.

  173. Ribs says:

    Lowetide:
    Strome is a frustrating player but he has talent.

    The Pretender

    *sigh*

  174. Ribs says:

    Melvis:
    Tonight I find myself missing The Edmonton Trappers and triple A ball on the the prairies. Nolan Ryan, that bastard.

    Summer, she is ah-calling….

  175. Wilde says:

    Yamamoto did indeed end up with the assist on that JAD goal, 2A in 4GP in the series

  176. Zelepukin says:

    Bling:
    McLellan must just close his eyes when he sends Lucic out there in the final minute with the goalie pulled.

    Can’t connect on a beauty pass, can’t control the puck along the boards for a zone entry TWICE.

    I think he is legitimately scared of Lucic. Milan looks up and stares at him until he puts him on the ice.

  177. Pretendergast says:

    even pouliot cant believe they let him walk down the slot untouched, comical

  178. Ribs says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Lucic is too slow for 6 v 5.

    Think we’ve had just about enough of McLellan.

    Making Lucic a tradeable asset is a priority! Haven’t you been paying attention!?

  179. Ribs says:

    Zelepukin: I think he is legitimately scared of Lucic. Milan looks up and stares at him until he puts him on the ice.

    Lucic looks like he hasn’t moved his bowels in four months every time the camera pans to him. Maybe the concern is there.

  180. Zelepukin says:

    I liked Strome and Aberg tonight. Both worked hard and tried to make things happen.

    Cags is still useless.

    Drai was Drai-from-far tonight. Those games where is floating on the outskirts a little too often and doing one to many overly confident, softy passes.

    Not as much Nuge-McD magic tonight either.

  181. HT Joe says:

    Harper’s Hair:
    Adam Gaudette making his debut for the Canucks tonight…might be worth keeping an eye on.

    Professor Q:
    Knowing the Oilers, that’s a recipe for a first goal.

    Moral victory…

  182. Confused says:

    Bob with the killer tweet, Lucic with a strong game

  183. Ribs says:

    Dayammmm…Jujhar lost one draw tonight, and no, it wasn’t to Sam Gagner (0-3).

  184. Wilde says:

    Confused:
    Bob with the killer tweet, Lucic with a strong game

    I love how 98 and 18 drove that line’s success for two periods and Lucic is the one who had the ‘strong game’.

    Plus the 6th man promotion and powerplay time.

    This team is speeding in the wrong lane.

  185. HT Joe says:

    Wilde: This team is speeding in the wrong lane.

    This team seems much more like that driver who is in the left lane, travelling at the same speed as (or slower than) the cars in the middle and slow lanes. That more closely matches the frustration they invoke in me.

  186. Ribs says:

    Confused:
    Bob with the killer tweet, Lucic with a strong game

    Led team in hits! C’mon guys, if we pretend that means something…!

    Clutterbuck traded for Nino Niederreiter!

    Maybe we should just accept that the buyout is coming. Or would anyone stand for a 3rd line 6M guy (It might be okay, honest!).

  187. Wilde says:

    Ribs: Led team in hits! C’mon guys, if we pretend that means something…!

    Clutterbuck traded for Nino Niederreiter!

    Maybe we should just accept that the buyout is coming. Or would anyone stand for a 3rd line 6M guy(It might be okay, honest!).

    The only situation we can rule out is a buyout, actually.

    The cap-hit structure for that is terrifying. Seriously. Don’t look it up.

  188. godot10 says:

    Ribs: Lead team in hits! C’mon guys, if we pretend that means something…!

    Clutterbuck traded for Nino Niederreiter!

    Maybe we should just accept that the buyout is coming. Or would anyone stand for a 3rd line 6M guy(It might be okay, honest!).

    The contract is buyout proof. There are almost no cap savings at all because of the front loading and the signing bonuses.

    The Oilers effectively lose a roster spot and 7.5% of the cap for the next five years. There is no escape.

  189. who says:

    I guess everyone sees the game different but man this coach seems like he’s watching a different game than me.
    Best line tonight was Stromes. Easily. And then when he needs a goal in the third period that’s the line he breaks up?
    And putting Lucic out there with the goalie pulled is no longer even defensible. Couldn’t get to the spot on time to tip in cross ice pass and then fumbled away to zone entry passes. What am I missing here?
    Maybe Tmac has finally embraced the tank.

  190. deardylan says:

    Sam the Man!

    Watched oilers from a bar in Hawaii enjoying a spicy Ahi Poke, Happy for Sam Gagne to score goal from the Hall of Fame Twins which helped Oilers to move into 7 spot in the draft.

    When I played tankathon.com Oilers dropped 1 place in the lottery and ended up with Evan Bouchard, Noah Dobson and Ty Smith as options to pick. Vancouver moved up 2 spots and got Svechnikov

    #GagneLottery #RenameItArtMcDavid

  191. Ribs says:

    Wilde: The only situation we can rule out is a buyout, actually.

    The cap-hit structure for that is terrifying. Seriously. Don’t look it up.

    Oh, I know. It’s hideous. It may be the most realistic/smartest option, though! Yikes!

    I just want to hear the year end presser where they tell us he’s been playing with some sort of ridiculous injury. Then he makes up for it next year.

    If there is nothing physically wrong with the guy, then you have to eat it. The Oilers can’t afford to give him another year to see what happens unless there is a clear problem with him. The McDavid window is short. Don’t mess around.

    I can’t believe they lost this game. Wow.

  192. russ99 says:

    Nothing wrong with Lucic that a summer in Edmonton with a nutritionist, kinesiologist and skating coach can’t fix.

  193. Ribs says:

    russ99:
    Nothing wrong with Lucic that a summer in Edmonton with a nutritionist, kinesiologist and skating coach can’t fix.

    Can’t tell if you are trolling, serious, sarcastic, or just deluded, lol.

  194. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde: I love how 98 and 18 drove that line’s success for two periods and Lucic is the one who had the ‘strong game’.

    Plus the 6th man promotion and powerplay time.

    This team is speeding in the wrong lane.

    I thought Lucic had a good game tonight. The entire third line did. I just don’t get why they keep trotting him out on the PP and when we pull the goalie. He’s one of the last players that should be out there. Equally mystifying is the treatment of JP. He had a good game too. Why is he automatically demoted when they juggle the lines and why does he get zero time on the PP? The kid basically didn’t play the third period in a nothing game.

  195. JimmyV1965 says:

    There will almost certainly be a compliance buyout during the next CBA negotiations. GMs just can’t resist it. Until then we play Lucic on the third line and cross our fingers.

  196. Ribs says:

    JimmyV1965:
    There will almost certainly be a compliance buyout during the next CBA negotiations. GMs just can’t resist it. Until then we play Lucic on the third line and cross our fingers.

    Current CBA expires after 2021–22 season. Could Lucic survive that long?

  197. JimmyV1965 says:

    Ribs: Current CBA expires after 2021–22 season. Could Lucic survive that long?

    Ouch. I thought it was a year earlier.

  198. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965: I thought Lucic had a good game tonight. The entire third line did. I just don’t get why they keep trotting him out on the PP and when we pull the goalie.He’s one of the last players that should be out there. Equally mystifying is the treatment of JP. He had a good game too. Why is he automatically demoted when they juggle the lines and why does he get zero time on the PP? The kid basically didn’t play the third period in a nothing game.

    Yep, no problem with Lucic’s play tonight. He was certainly passable and facilitated the other two, but 98 was absolutely the driver of that line and Strome did well to find finishing areas, somewhat snakebitten, though.

    It’s just, given that quality of first 40 from Jesse, I’m not sure what more is needed to at least get a shot on the first powerplay. Or even just play his line more and not less! Anything, anything but what I’m seeing on the shift chart right now.

  199. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I wish I still lived in Edmonton so I could see Connor 41 a year. You lucky folks that have seasons tickets.

    The surprising things for me watching the game live was first that Lucic isn’t that slow. Much quicker than Drai. Looks lighter on his skates. I think he’ll regress to the meat.

    Drai is a really talented player, he seems to be focusing too much on a power game. He has too much talent for that. I hope it’s not coaching. Or if so coaches change. He can pull that out of his bag when he needs to. It’s a shame Leon isn’t quicker, he’d be chasing Connor I think.

    JP is the 4th best forward, for now. He could pass Drai because he has at least the talent and better natural athleticism. He is a smart player, really impressive. He does need mentoring. Mentor him!

    Cags isn’t an NHL player IMO.

    Aberg is a keeper. Not necessarily a top 6 forward unless he can find better finishing, but clearly better than many others.

    Nurse isn’t a first pair D. I’m not sure he will be. Larsson is. Too bad he doesn’t have more O. Definitely the best D on the night. Head and shoulders.

    OV2 was the second best. No problem worse defensively and far more offensive and a good puck mover. They really need to keep him. At 800k. Trading Klefbom would be extremely foolish without a King’s ransom. More foolish than Nuge IMO.

    Rattie is not the answer. Connor needs wingers that can do the dirty work and support him based on how he plays now. I wouldn’t sign Rattie for the Oilers, If he wants to play in the A and fill in fine. If I were his agent I’d send him overseas. Better money and I cannot see him sticking in the NHL.

    The lad is crashing goodnight all.

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