Union City Blue

The Edmonton Oilers had 14 high-danger scoring chances at 5×5 last night, and cashed on a play I would judge to be low danger (assuming a normal human being had the chance). Natural Stat Trick tells us Edmonton ranks No. 3 overall in HDSC’s, with 9.7 at 5×5 per game. As upset as one might be about last night’s game, and it was the 44th loss so you should be used to it by now, this club had their chances.

THE ATHLETIC!

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DID SHE MENTION MY NAME, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • March 2016: 7-8-0, goal differential -3 (14 points)
  • March 2017: 10-2-1, goal differential +21 (21 points)
  • March 2018: 7-6-2, goal differential +2 (16 points)

One game left in the month and it’s still going to represent a healthy chapter compared to the others this year. The Oilers have so many bad habits it’s difficult to pick a favorite. Last night, I noticed many people focusing on coverage, I spent the evening amazed by all of the terrible passes. Vase, vase. It’ll need to be fixed by fall.

AFTER 78, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 30-41-7, goal differential -47 (67 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 44-25-9, goal differential +40 (97 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 34-38-6, goal differential -30 (74 points)

Well, they aren’t going to catch Calgary. However, the Oilers may yet draft inside the top 10 overall. This is a pitiful record if you look at it after a Connor McDavid shift, but full value if you’re peering at the standings during a shift by anyone else. Edmonton cannot handle pressure on its defense, they crumble like, well, crumb cake.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM MARCH

  • At home to: Nashville, NY Rangers, Arizona, NY Islanders, Minnesota (Expected 2-3-0) (Actual 3-2-0)
  • On the road to: Calgary (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: San Jose (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • On the road to: Florida, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Ottawa (Expected 1-2-1) (Actual 3-1-0)
  • At home to: Los Angeles, Anaheim, Columbus (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-1-1)
  • On the road to: Vancouver, Calgary (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-7-3, 15 points in 16 games
  • Current results: 7-6-2, 16 points in 15 games

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Auvitu-Benning were 13-11 in 12:01, 0-1 GF. I think the goal against was a collective outreach cluster bleep, Leon was slow to awaken, Talbot went walkabout and both defenders left an ocean down the slot. Went 6-5 against Goldobin-Horvat-Jokinen (good grief) and that was the line that was on the ice for the GWG. Curiously, the pairing had four offensive and five defensive zone starts.
  • Nurse-Larsson went 19-17 in 19:22 (they are playing too much) and 0-1 GF. I think it was icing and that set up the entire play. You may feel differently. Were 12-6 against Sedin-Sedin-Gagner. Again with the weird zone starts, seven in the offensive zone and five in the defensive.
  • Sekera-Russell were 9-10 in 14:55, 0-0 GF. This was an astute move by the coaching staff, placing the two veterans together in an effort to shore up the second pair. Went 2-4 against the low event police of Motte-Sutter-Archibald. Sekera had his best game (imo) since his return, Russell was effective save for the outlet passing.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 28 of 30, .933. Misstep on the GWG, solid otherwise.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Lucic-Strome-Puljujarvi went 13-5 in 11:52. I thought the trio was splendid, with Strome leading the way. If he could hit the damnable net once in awhile he would score 20. Puljujarvi was mostly quiet and Lucic was unlucky and slow, but criticizing these three men for last night is a strange way. Went 6-3 against the Sedins.
  • Nuge-McDavid-Rattie were 15-9 in 14:46, 0-0 GF and 9-5 in SF. They were 3-3 in HDSC, seems to be a higher event line than need be. Went 11-7 against Motte-Sutter-Archibald. I’m going to guess McDavid-Draisaitl ends up being a better possession driver as a line.
  • Pakarinen-Khaira-Kassian were 9-8 in 7:18, 0-1 GF (it was offside). The line went 6-6 in scoring chances but 1-4 in HDSC’s, that’s an interesting line. Were 5-5 against Boucher-Gaunce-Gaudette. Kassian is in a funk of games where he doesn’t really do anything, especially at 5×5. I thought he showed flashes of coming out of it last night.
  • Caggiula-Draisaitl-Aberg were 12-14 in 11:51, 0-1 GF. Leon needs a Pisani in the worst way. Were outshot 7-12 and lost the SC battle 5-6 but were 3-3 in HD. I think Draisaitl should be run with Khaira or Puljujarvi for awhile. Warts and all, there’s more promise with those two men.

OH MY GENTLE LORD

In the words of the great philosopher Blondie “Oh Hoe, Oh Hoe, what are we gonna do?” That was a nothing play. Nothing. Zippo. Nada. Wow.

In my piece for The Athletic today, there are lots of interesting tidbits on the entire roster. Joe Gambardella’s season is the most interesting in my opinion, drilling down on his numbers gives one hope for this young man’s future.

RYAN STROME AND NEXT YEAR

I’ve come around on Strome as a No. 3 center and would bring him back next season. In fact, despite appearances, I’m on board with most of the roster returning:

  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Connor McDavid—????
  • ????—Leon Draisaitl—Jesse Puljujarvi
  • Milan Lucic—Ryan Strome—Kailer Yamamoto
  • Pontus Aberg—Jujhar Khaira—Zack Kassian
  • ???—Iiro Pakarinen
  • Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson
  • Darnell Nurse—?????
  • Andrej Sekera—Kris Russell
  • Matt Benning
  • Cam Talbot (???)

I have just five replacements listed, the problem being the organization must upgrade a gigantic amount and cannot borrow from the current roster. Next stop: Draft lottery.

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114 Responses to "Union City Blue"

  1. Confused says:

    2LW Benson or slep, who is currently the better bet?

  2. geowal says:

    If those ???? on your roster were actually decent players who belonged in those positions I agree things would be looking up. Problem is capsise I’m not sure we can afford those solutions, so will be left with bandaids, stopgaps, also-rans, hopefuls and various flotsam and jetsam. I can’t see that being satisfied in one off season.

  3. Jethro Tull says:

    I have never seen Garnyay more in a picture than last night.

  4. ArmchairGM says:

    That lineup is exactly what I posted last week. Great minds think alike! (or something)

  5. innercitysmytty says:

    LT what you have for a lineup next year is pretty much exactly what I would do. And some of those holes may be filled on the cheap, but the RW and RD spots will be more difficult. Firing the coach will solve a number of the issues we had this year alone though.

  6. J-Bo says:

    I think they get the second line left wing filled well and the backup goalie. I think the top line winger will be a hope and a prayer, the extra forward an incumbent, and the defense will spin it’s wheels all summer and into next season.

  7. godot10 says:

    Confused:
    2LW Benson or slep, who is currently the better bet?

    Khaira.

  8. jtblack says:

    LT: In the Draft, you Love shooters.

    OLIVER WAHLSTROM. I saw a tweet. His PPG & SHots/game put him right below Matthews & Eichel …. AND just above Keller & Connor.

    He’s a right shot.

    I believe he solves RW1 for the next decade.

    Thoughts?

  9. Confused says:

    godot10,

    So who plays 4C?

  10. geowal says:

    Confused:
    godot10,

    So who plays 4C?

    Mark Letestu (*runs)

  11. digger50 says:

    godot10: Khaira.

    I agree that’s the main move.

    If we are working with a budget, which we are, and want to leave current roster alone, bump up JJ makes loads of sense.

    Much easier to find a fourth line center than splurge in a 2lw

  12. Mr DeBakey says:

    Confused:
    godot10,

    So who plays 4C?

    “Joe Gambardella’s season is the most interesting in my opinion, drilling down on his numbers gives one hope for this young man’s future.”

    Or, how about

    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=154242

  13. Lowetide says:

    jtblack:
    LT: In the Draft, you Love shooters.

    OLIVER WAHLSTROM.I saw a tweet.His PPG & SHots/game put him right below Matthews & Eichel …. AND just above Keller & Connor.

    He’s a right shot.

    I believe he solves RW1 for the next decade.

    Thoughts?

    I have him No. 6
    https://lowetide.ca/2018/03/07/the-75-best-players-in-the-2018-draft/

  14. digger50 says:

    Additionally, to fill that 2lw from outside the organization Maroon may be the man to beat. Not sure what his price point is of course and opinions vary – but Patrick will put up 20 goals from that position.

    So if We are shopping for 2lw, Patrick’s price point and 20 goal should be a bench mark.

  15. Confused says:

    2LW– Du Clair?

  16. Pescador says:

    With the projected roster for next year we had better get used to
    RNH McDavid XXX
    Might as well be Rattie,
    There will be no upgrade until Yessie is ready,
    Man,
    The Oilers couldn’t develop a Kodak

  17. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Move Jar to 3LW, Lucic to 2LW, Rattie with CmD and Nuge.

    – Find a guy non-Jagr division that is top-6 to fill it out, bring in another Rattie/Aberg speedster.

    – On D: Sek, and another guy

    – If it doesn’t work: fire coach, and retool: Trade Nuge/Klef/Pool with new GM who is going to be so much better, and a coach who is going to make the players more accountable. Rinse repeat, blog

    – And of course don’t hold any else in the org accountable: hire more OBC to boot.

  18. flyfish1168 says:

    Feel good story last evening. Scott Foster. How many of us would love to just be put on the emergency call list for an NHL team? I would have $hit my pants a 2nd time seeing big buff setting up for a slapper at me.

  19. Pescador says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Fire coach,
    Keep t-rex at 3LW

  20. Confused says:

    How about signing Derek Roy as a skills coach. Giving Derek one charge.

    And signing Yak on the condition, he works continuously with Derek.

    Tell Derek if yak plays 30, he can expect repeat business at much gelt.

  21. GMB3 says:

    jtblack:
    LT: In the Draft, you Love shooters.

    OLIVER WAHLSTROM.I saw a tweet.His PPG & SHots/game put him right below Matthews & Eichel …. AND just above Keller & Connor.

    He’s a right shot.

    I believe he solves RW1 for the next decade.

    Thoughts?

    Check out his career totals on EP and some highlight videos on YouTube. The kid can shoot the puck and loves to score. One scouting report I read compared him favourably with Max Pacioretty.

  22. GMB3 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Move Jar to 3LW, Lucic to 2LW, Rattie with CmD and Nuge.

    – Find a guy non-Jagr division that is top-6 to fill it out, bring in another Rattie/Aberg speedster.

    – On D: Sek, and another guy

    – If it doesn’t work: fire coach, and retool: Trade Nuge/Klef/Pool with new GM who is going to be so much better, and a coach who is going to make the players more accountable. Rinse repeat, blog

    – And of course don’t hold any else in the org accountable: hire more OBC to boot.

    Ty Rattie is a speedster? News to everyone who watched the games at any point in his career.

  23. jtblack says:

    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Connor McDavid—VANEK
    XXXXXXX—Leon Draisaitl—Jesse Puljujarvi
    Milan Lucic—Ryan Strome—Kailer Yamamoto
    Pontus Aberg—Jujhar Khaira—Zack Kassian

    Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson
    Darnell Nurse—????? (I dont think we have $$ for this spot due to Russell signing 🙁 )
    Andrej Sekera—Kris Russell
    Matt Benning

    Cam Talbot
    XXXXXX PC has failed to properly fill this spot, so dont expect a miracle

  24. who says:

    godot10: Khaira.

    Bingo.
    And next on the depth chart is Slepeshev.
    Taped the Vancouver Giants game last night and just watched all of Benson’s shifts. This is my 3rd or 4th viewing of this player and I have yet to be impressed.
    I don’t see one outstanding skill. He seems to see the ice and pass the puck reasonably well. But I have not seen him dominate in any area and his skating stride looks short and almost sluggish to me. He looks like a chugger at the NHL level.
    I am starting to get the uneasy feeling that he was drafted by the Oilers because of his Bantam draft pedigree. And that would be eerily similar to the reasoning behind the Reinhart trade. Makes me very nervous.
    Bottom line for me is that these kids need to be either elite skaters or elite scorers before we spend 2nd round picks on them.
    Benson is neither.
    So far the junior players the Oilers have drafted that have impressed me the most are Maksimov and Samarov. But I have only seen them in parts of a couple games.

  25. who says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Move Jar to 3LW, Lucic to 2LW, Rattie with CmD and Nuge.

    – Find a guy non-Jagr division that is top-6 to fill it out, bring in another Rattie/Aberg speedster.

    – On D: Sek, and another guy

    – If it doesn’t work: fire coach, and retool: Trade Nuge/Klef/Pool with new GM who is going to be so much better, and a coach who is going to make the players more accountable. Rinse repeat, blog

    – And of course don’t hold any else in the org accountable: hire more OBC to boot.

    Why not just move JJ to 2LW?
    Why handcuff your second best offensive player with Lucic?

  26. jtblack says:

    who: Bingo.
    And next on the depth chart is Slepeshev.
    Taped the Vancouver Giants game last night and just watched all of Benson’s shifts. This is my 3rd or 4th viewing of this player and I have yet to be impressed.
    I don’t see one outstanding skill. He seems to see the ice and pass the puck reasonably well. But I have not seen him dominate in any area and his skating stride looks short and almost sluggish to me. He looks like a chugger at the NHL level.
    I am starting to get the uneasy feeling that he was drafted by the Oilers because of his Bantam draft pedigree. And that would be eerily similar to the reasoning behind the Reinhart trade. Makes me very nervous.
    Bottom line for me is that these kids need to be either elite skaters or elite scorers before we spend 2nd round picks on them.
    Benson is neither.
    So far the junior players the Oilers have drafted that have impressed me the most are Maksimov and Samarov. But I have only seen them in parts of a couple games.

    +1. IMHO the Oilers were betting Benson would have put up better numbers in his draft year if not for injury. In Draft +1 he got inuured again and was shut down. In draft +2 (this season) he played all year for the 1st time since Bantam. He scored 69 pts in 58 games. Fairly pedestriaan for a 19 year old “star”.

    OP used to refer to Benson as a “Substantial Prospect”. I disagree.

    I believe you nailed it. Benson does many things OK or well, but nothing exceptional.

    Like Yammy, this is Bensons 4th WHL Campaign. But he only played 60 games over 2 of those seasons.

    I think the Oilers may want to send him back to Vancouver and see if he can dominate both ends of the ice.

  27. godot10 says:

    Confused:
    godot10,

    So who plays 4C?

    It is not hard to find a #4C for one million bucks. You can sign two for one million bucks each to reduce risk.

  28. godot10 says:

    digger50:
    Additionally, to fill that 2lw from outside the organization Maroon may be the man to beat. Not sure what his price point is of course and opinions vary – but Patrick will put up 20 goals from that position.

    So if We are shopping for 2lw, Patrick’s price point and 20 goal should be a bench mark.

    So the plan is to be slower than molasses again then?

  29. jtblack says:

    GMB3: Check out his career totals on EP and some highlight videos on YouTube. The kid can shoot the puck and loves to score. One scouting report I read compared him favourably with Max Pacioretty.

    Shooters shoot. Since 2013, only 10 USHL forwards that were u18 at the start of their season have been able to score above a point-per-game AND shoot more than 3.9 shots per game. #2018NHLDraft eligible Oliver Wahlstrom is 3rd in PTS/GP among those forwards.
    Names Wahlstrom compares too as per the Tweet and where he ranks.

    Matthews
    Eichel
    WAHLSTROM
    Keller
    Connor
    Bellows
    Tkachuk
    Boeser
    Larkin
    Tolveinen

    #GoodCompany

  30. OilClog says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Move Jar to 3LW, Lucic to 2LW, Rattie with CmD and Nuge.

    – Find a guy non-Jagr division that is top-6 to fill it out, bring in another Rattie/Aberg speedster.

    – On D: Sek, and another guy

    – If it doesn’t work: fire coach, and retool: Trade Nuge/Klef/Pool with new GM who is going to be so much better, and a coach who is going to make the players more accountable. Rinse repeat, blog

    – And of course don’t hold any else in the org accountable: hire more OBC to boot.

    Definition of insanity.

    You know what didn’t work last season guys, well let’s just do it again and if it doesn’t work we will let you go a few weeks before Christmas.

    Rattie is definitely not a 82game top line winger.

    Lucic should never see the top 6 again in his career.

    Find a non Jagr top 6 player? More speedy cheap wingers.. well there’s some sense in there somewhere eh. Too bad Rattie isn’t what most folks call speed.

    So the new GM has to keep Todd and doesn’t get to bring in his guy? Pretty clear the path is TMac becoming GM.

    I’m confused is the OBC the one directing TMac? Atleast with the OBC they’d always consider themselves part of the team in Orange.

  31. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I’m on board with that roster as well. 2F 1 D and a G.

    I’m not sure there is enough cap to make upgrades easy. Maybe they get lucky with some UFAs that want to come. Maybe Vanek isn’t kept in CBJ and wants to play with Mr HDSC for 1M.

    I don’t see any UFA D that seem like they would help that aren’t going to cost too much. Green as interesting but having surgery no thanks, we already have 2 repaired D.

    PC is neck deep. Way too many guys not contributing enough throughout the game. Getting a few points while getting caved for most of the game won’t win games. He has little cap, of course his fault.

    Hold on to your seats I think.

  32. DBO says:

    4th line centres are easier to find then 2/3 LW. I think Khaira has shown he can be more then a 4C. Him and Leon together would be a great size speed and skill line.

    Nuge-McDavid-???
    Khaira-Draisatl-Puljujarvi
    Lucic-Strome-Yamamoto/Aberg
    Cagguila-?????-Kassian
    Aberg

    Nurse-????
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Sekera-Russell

    3 spots to fill. a 1 RW with McDavid can almost be anyone, ala Crosby’s wingers. DOn’t over pay to add a 1 RW. Look at Rattie. Doesn’t look out of place and will cost $750k. a 1/2 RD (hardest get in the NHL right now) and 4C (easiest get in the NHL right now).

    I am OK with Montoya as our backup. better then the last few years. Or upgrade it, but I would sooner spend the money on RD. Only one big spot to fill. And yes it scares me that Chia is the one making that decision.

    I think Lebrun mentioned on the Athletic that Carlson would be a good sign and trade bet. Yes that is big game hunting again, but the Caps have serious Cap issues (not that we don’t). But does Benning, Puljujarvi and a pick get you Carlson? You then move a high pick (2nd or 3rd rounder) plus either Sekera or Russell to clear cap space. Slepshev, Yamamoto and Aberg become our 2 and 3 RW, with anyone playing the top line since even I could score 15 on that line.

    Your D becomes:

    Nurse-Carlson
    Klefbom-Larsson
    Russel-Bear

    More balanced and offensive then we have seen in years.

  33. leadfarmer says:

    Man Speaking of Wahlstrom, Jack Hughes numbers as a 16 year old are just ridiculous. That is one talented family

  34. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Lucic was far from the worst forward last night. He’s not the biggest issue.

    Russell is. The Oilers get owned when he’s on the ice. Same thing happens when Cags is on the ice. He sinks his line. The NHL is too even to have lines and pairs with one player doing nothing.

    This is the heart of the problem with the team. Team play is awful. But so many players are passengers what can McL do?

    Somebody needs to waive to fix things. Trading 1 of the 4 forwards that have top 6 talent won’t help. Or 1 of the 4 top 4 talent D, unless somehow they can be replaced.

  35. Lowetide says:

    jtblack: Thanks.

    You bet. I don’t think he’ll be available when Edmonton picks.

  36. Glass says:

    – Sign a 4C, bumping Khaira to 2LW.
    – Pick up a veteran RW… Vanek?
    – Send Benson, Bear, and Yamamoto to the AHL and sign Marody.
    – Sign Rattie and Slepy, who will battle for 3RW and opportunities for when others slip up.
    – Let go of Caggiula and Cammaleirie.

  37. Psyche says:

    Lowetide,

    Like a dagger to my already damaged Oiler heart. So…sad.

    The real question is who has the most character and grit to be picked at #10 (or thereabouts)? In Oilerland we are all about the character. (I’m being sarcastic people. “Calm your tits.”)

  38. Death By Misadventure says:

    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Connor McDavid—????
    ????—Leon Draisaitl—Jesse Puljujarvi
    Milan Lucic—Ryan Strome—Kailer Yamamoto
    Pontus Aberg—Jujhar Khaira—Zack Kassian
    ????—Iiro Pakarinen

    Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson
    Darnell Nurse—?????
    Andrej Sekera—Kris Russell
    Matt Benning

    Cam Talbot (???)
    ==========================

    LT, other than the inclusion of Yamamoto, I’m with you on this roster 100%. If the Oilers are serious about being a contender, that is a spot for a hard checking veteran. Your “Pisani”.

    This team has enough talent that I believe they do not need to fill the ???? with expensive talent. All they need are capable men to bring the kids in the lineup along. Eventually to give way to a Yamamoto, a Benson, or whoever Oilers draft in the first round this summer.

    I’ll know this team is serious about not wasting Connor’s prime years when capable men fill these spots instead of teenagers.

  39. Woogie63 says:

    Jim Nill has got to be looking for changes as well.

    Can we get Honka for some combination of LHD and draft picks.

    1. Offensive upside
    2. A year or two ahead of Bear
    3. Still priced right
    4. RHD

  40. Fgary says:

    Glass:
    – Sign a 4C, bumping Khaira to 2LW.
    – Pick up a veteran RW… Vanek?
    – Send Benson, Bear, and Yamamoto to the AHL and sign Marody.
    – Sign Rattie and Slepy, who will battle for 3RW and opportunities for when others slip up.
    – Let go of Caggiula and Cammaleirie.

    +1000

  41. trencan says:

    jtblack:
    LT: In the Draft, you Love shooters.

    OLIVER WAHLSTROM.I saw a tweet.His PPG & SHots/game put him right below Matthews & Eichel …. AND just above Keller & Connor.

    He’s a right shot.

    I believe he solves RW1 for the next decade.

    Thoughts?

    I dont think another forward is what do we need. We already have some interesting wingers in juniors. The problem of Oilers management and also our fans is, we are too inpatient and want to see immediate impact. Thats why we most often want to draft wingers or centers. But this is really good year for D. And I wouldnt focus only on RHD, I would be also Ok with LHD if it means he has a real top potential – lets say 1st pairing potential. Based on that fact I would go after – Dahlin, Boqvist, Hughes,Smith, Dobson, Bouchard (London is horribly tanking this guy)… One of them could be available.

  42. dustrock says:

    Love Wahlstrom, no way he’s there when Edmonton picks.

  43. jtblack says:

    Lowetide: You bet. I don’t think he’ll

    ****************
    I think they pick 7 – 11th depending on Lottery Balls. If he is avail, hope they grab him.

    Your Lineup does not inspire much optimism for me. The last 2 months the team has been OK, but a closer look reveals it’s the same old story: all Connor McDavid and not much else.

    If Leon can legitimately sawed-off or push the river next year that’s a start.

    I like Strome in the 3C hole also. What does the bottom six you have projected have any more scoring than this year?

    PC has boxed himself in and it’s going to be very difficult for him to get out of it other than waiting two or three years

  44. Woogie63 says:

    Fgary:

    Chris Wagner is a great choice for 4c

  45. jtblack says:

    trencan: I dont think another forward is what do we need. We already have some interesting wingers in juniors. The problem of Oilers management and also our fans is, we are too inpatient and want to see immediate impact. Thats why we most often want to draft wingers or centers. But this is really good year for D. And I wouldnt focus only on RHD, I would be also Ok with LHD if it means he has a real top potential – lets say 1st pairing potential. Based on that fact I would go after – Dahlin, Boqvist, Hughes,Smith, Dobson, Bouchard (London is horribly tanking this guy)… One of them could be available.

    Any pick in the Top 10 should be a Good player and MIGHT be an excellent player.

    If you look at Wahlstrom comparables, he could be a 40 Goal Gunner. I don’t see JP or Yammy ever being tha type of scorer. With Wahlstrom you would only have to wait 1 year is my guess.

    and yes, Lots of good D avail. But most are prob 2 – 4 years out.

  46. trencan says:

    jtblack: Any pick in the Top 10 should be a Good player and MIGHT be an excellent player.

    If you look at Wahlstrom comparables, he could be a 40 Goal Gunner.I don’t see JP or Yammy ever being tha type of scorer. With Wahlstrom you would only have to wait 1 year is my guess.

    and yes, Lots of good D avail. But most are prob 2 – 4 years out.

    I agree with you in all points but I still believe our weakness is D. Good forwards are winning matches, good defense can win whole season for you. Or its often about balance and our team is missing balance. We already have key players on F positions but I am not sure about our D core (except Larsson) for McEra. The second position I would focus on is G (Skarek). I know its very diffcult to predict but I dont see future 1A Goalie in our system.

  47. sliderule says:

    who: guy

    That is exactly as my viewing

    Before the sports hernia the guy could fly but now he chugs.

    It is sad for him and even more sad for fans seeing oilers blow another high second with lots of options open.

  48. rickithebear says:

    JT Black:
    You are the best practical voice here since Ron in 05-06 to 06-07.

  49. danny says:

    There’s only one person in the NHL that can slow down McDavid. His GM.

  50. Pouzar says:

    jtblack: Shooters shoot. Since 2013, only 10 USHL forwards that were u18 at the start of their season have been able to score above a point-per-game AND shoot more than 3.9 shots per game. #2018NHLDraft eligible Oliver Wahlstrom is 3rd in PTS/GP among those forwards.
    Names Wahlstrom compares too as per the Tweet and where he ranks.

    Matthews
    Eichel
    WAHLSTROM
    Keller
    Connor
    Bellows
    Tkachuk
    Boeser
    Larkin
    Tolveinen

    #GoodCompany

    Good Stuff…does he get by Habs?

  51. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woogie63:
    Jim Nill has got to be looking for changes as well.

    Can we get Honka for some combination of LHD and draft picks.

    1. Offensive upside
    2. A year or two ahead of Bear
    3. Still priced right
    4. RHD

    For me unless a player has elite talent I prefer normal sized guys. Last night’s descending order of effectiveness basically followed the height weight chart. It’s so obvious live.

    The players that are smaller than normal for position were much less effective even with some vision if they didn’t have play driving skill and wheels. They struggled to make the basic plays. Really despite all the rhetoric around more smaller players look up the the top 50 forwards and 30 D.

    There are still few short players and especially short light players. WG pointed out how long smaller D take to make the league if they even do. It’s s huge disadvantage in hockey. Not everything, but not many get past it to be top players.

    And if they aren’t top I prefer players that can provide normal physical play lower down the order, not just battle to survive.

  52. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Potvin on Mcdavid”

    OK. So, what about Connor McDavid and the Hart this year?

    That’s an anomaly. He may be the exception. He’s so unique, that kid. The greatest thing about McDavid is he’s not like anybody. You cannot come to me and say, ‘McDavid is like so-and-so.’ You know how they always do that? ‘Auston Matthews plays like Aleksander Barkov.’ Or, ‘Barkov plays like [Anze] Kopitar.’ There’s none of that. McDavid is unbelievably unique. I’ve never seen anything like it. That speed. The puck handling. Whole package. You have to be pretty friggin’ bad to have him on your team and not win. You’ve got to be [very] bad. I love Pete Chiarelli, and I hope Pete just goes, ‘Well, I have 18 players to trade this summer.’ It’s terrible, and a lot of it has to do with commitment from the players, for whatever reason. To have a player like that and be that bad? After being in the playoffs last year? If this was McDavid’s first year, OK. Two 100-point seasons, he’s had.

    But you wouldn’t give McDavid the Hart?

    The bottom line is, what does it matter? What does it matter if the team doesn’t win. The Calder is the only trophy [that should go to an individual on a non-playoff team].

    From here: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/quick-shifts-denis-potvin-oilers-connor-mcdavid-hart-trophy-playoffs-mitch-marner-intact-acting-maple-leafs/

  53. godot10 says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    Potvin on Mcdavid”

    OK. So, what about Connor McDavid and the Hart this year?

    That’s an anomaly. He may be the exception. He’s so unique, that kid. The greatest thing about McDavid is he’s not like anybody. You cannot come to me and say, ‘McDavid is like so-and-so.’ You know how they always do that? ‘Auston Matthews plays like Aleksander Barkov.’ Or, ‘Barkov plays like [Anze] Kopitar.’ There’s none of that. McDavid is unbelievably unique. I’ve never seen anything like it. That speed. The puck handling. Whole package. You have to be pretty friggin’ bad to have him on your team and not win. You’ve got to be [very] bad. I love Pete Chiarelli, and I hope Pete just goes, ‘Well, I have 18 players to trade this summer.’ It’s terrible, and a lot of it has to do with commitment from the players, for whatever reason. To have a player like that and be that bad? After being in the playoffs last year? If this was McDavid’s first year, OK. Two 100-point seasons, he’s had.

    But you wouldn’t give McDavid the Hart?

    The bottom line is, what does it matter? What does it matter if the team doesn’t win. The Calder is the only trophy [that should go to an individual on a non-playoff team].

    From here: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/quick-shifts-denis-potvin-oilers-connor-mcdavid-hart-trophy-playoffs-mitch-marner-intact-acting-maple-leafs/

    McDavid is a suped-up Gilbert Perreault.

  54. jtblack says:

    Pouzar: Good Stuff…does he get by Habs?

    LT says nope.

  55. jtblack says:

    rickithebear:
    JT Black:
    You are the best practical voice here since Ron in 05-06 to 06-07.

    Kind words Ricki. Thank You.

  56. jtblack says:

    trencan: I agree with you in all points but I still believe our weakness is D. Good forwards are winning matches, good defense can win whole season for you. Or its often about balance and our team is missing balance. We already have key players on F positions but I am not sure about our D core (except Larsson) for McEra. The second position I would focus on is G (Skarek). I know its very diffcult to predict but I dont see future 1A Goalie in our system.

    I am fine with picking a D man. There are some good ones Prefer a RHD but BPA is most important.

    I just hope PC keeps all his picks. Not easy to preach patience BUT I belive that is the best course. We need to build a consistent winner year in and year out. That is done by drafting and developing. We NEED to hit in a 2nd or 3rd rounder who becomes a Good to Great player.

    #Hoping

  57. Oil2Oilers says:

    I am totally on board for LT’s proposed line up for next year.

    I think you can patch the two biggest holes without making more by;

    a) do the Woodguy 1st for Tanev trade
    b) trade Russell for a 2nd line left winger

    For the PP units;
    Draisaitl right side down low shooting spot
    Puljujarvi left side down low shooting spot
    Lucic net presence – bumper
    Klefbom point
    McDavid point and in motion anywhere else he wants to be

    Unit B
    Nuge half wall quarter back
    Khaira bumper
    Strome shooter low
    Benning point shooter
    Yamimoto motion man

    Puljujarvi should be good for a dozen as a volume shooter from that spot. Nuge with 3 right shots would be a witch.

  58. Confused says:

    sliderule,

    Think you are too hard on the boy. After two ops and two missed off-season training seasons, chugging is all you are getting.

    However, assuming the hernia is fixed and the correct areas are strengthened, he is finally in a position for a hard Summer of getting back up to speed. Perhaps, it takes two, but many people return to their former self after the correct training.

  59. digger50 says:

    godot10: So the plan is to be slower than molasses again then?

    I’m not buying that the Oil players were that slow. But they did play slow.

    Thing about Maroon is you have to accept the trade off. He won’t be the fastest, but he will do his job, and he will score 20.

    Thus I use him as the line in the sand. If you can do better, be faster, get 20 goals for under 3m then get him.

  60. Woogie63 says:

    Sekera to my eye is a long term problem.

    1. His knee is probably Stronger than it was before the surgery
    2. If he had a problem with his knee now, he would not be playing
    3. He has now played 34 NHL games, he is eased into the league speed
    4. He is a 6/7 dman today
    5. Wrong side of 30 years old
    6. Slowest dman we have
    7. LHD

  61. jtblack says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    I am totally on board for LT’s proposed line up for next year.

    I think you can patch the two biggest holes without making more by;

    a) do the Woodguy 1st for Tanev trade
    b) trade Russell for a 2nd line left winger

    For the PP units;
    Draisaitl right side down low shooting spot
    Puljujarvi left side down low shooting spot
    Lucic net presence – bumper
    Klefbom point
    McDavid point and in motion anywhere else he wants to be

    Unit B
    Nugehalf wall quarter back
    Khaira bumper
    Strome shooter low
    Benning point shooter
    Yamimoto motion man

    Puljujarvi should be good for a dozen as a volume shooter from that spot. Nuge with 3 right shots would be a witch.

    Which team will take Kris Russell for a 2LW? I don’t see that happening unless it’s on a Playstation 4

  62. OmJo says:

    We just traded a 4th round pick for a backup goaltender. We also have a plethora of goaltenders in the system.

    Why are we still looking for another one?

  63. OmJo says:

    godot10: McDavid is a suped-up Gilbert Perreault.

    “McDavid is Toby Petersen at 100% potential.” – Craig MacTavish

  64. rickithebear says:

    Just read Potvin s view.
    See you posted it Real.
    While reading it, it finally allowed me to articulate Dmen.

    Afffect on avg save% .916
    Forwards .004 below and .007 above .011/.033 = 33%; .007/.033 = 21%
    Goalies .007 below and .007 above .014/.033 = 42.5%; .007/.033 = 21%
    Dmen .017 below and .016 above .033/.033 = 100%; .016/.033 = 48.5%
    Nurse and Klefbom are in the neg .017 – .014 range.

    Clearly the most important goal scoring success affect is Dpairs HD def ability.
    The standard structure in hockey play is 3 forwards – 2 dmen – 1 goalie
    Offensive forwards press high when thier team has pocesdion. Creating a 4-1-1 structure.
    They abandon the free path to Thier high danger area. In defensive zone they often fail to maintain defence of the high danger area.

    The so called offensive dman is not a dman. HD area is not a priority.
    Based on zonal play and structure.

    At best they are a rover 3 fwd – 1 rover – 1 dman – 1 goalie.
    Klefbom

    Worst they are a forward 4 fwd – 1 dman – 1 goalie.
    Nurse

    In both cases the single dman is asked to often defend 2 players
    She Russell, Larson ….

    You need to define a players position based on OZ attack, NZ positioning, DZ HD def positioning.
    3-2-1 2 dmen
    3-1-1-1 1 dman
    4-1-1-1 1 dman

    Forward, rover, dman, goalie.

  65. 90s fan says:

    Pescador,

    Maybe i am naive, but i dont understand why filling in the roster is so hard. In the EIG era we seemed always have hard working fast teams with limited talent. Now we have the top end Talent, why cant we fill in the roster with the speedy hard working griers and marchants? We didn’t have money back then either!

  66. Pouzar says:

    90s fan:
    Pescador,

    Maybe i am naive, but i dont understand why filling in the roster is so hard. In the EIG era we seemed always have hard working fast teams with limited talent. Now we have the top end Talent, why cant we fill in the roster with the speed hard working griers, marchants

    Wonderful question.

  67. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    godot10: McDavid is a suped-up Gilbert Perreault.

    – More like a Pavel Bure with more skill and smarts and complete, less hot-dog

    – Pavel in those few years, he was so fast, so elusive, was a game changer

  68. godot10 says:

    90s fan:
    Pescador,

    Maybe i am naive, but i dont understand why filling in the roster is so hard. In the EIG era we seemed always have hard working fast teams with limited talent. Now we have the top end Talent, why cant we fill in the roster with the speedy hard working griers and marchants? We didn’t have money back then either!

    Money makes one dumber. Management stop working as hard when they had more resources.,,i,e. money. Money replaced doing some of the talent finding work they had no choice but do previously.

    Instead of putting in the hard work to find the next Lucic or the next 3rd pairing D, they just used money to buy Lucic (who was no longer the Lucic they had inside their heads) and to pay Russell.

    Aside: By money, I really mean unearned money. And other people’s money. Or money obtained by good fortune.

  69. jtblack says:

    Alex Ovechkin has missed 29 Games over his 13 year career. An avg of 2 games per season. Some of which were suspension or disipline.
    Courtesy NHL Network.

  70. jtblack says:

    90s fan:
    Pescador,

    Maybe i am naive, but i dont understand why filling in the roster is so hard. In the EIG era we seemed always have hard working fast teams with limited talent. Now we have the top end Talent, why cant we fill in the roster with the speedy hard working griers and marchants? We didn’t have money back then either!

    Hard Working Griers & Marchants are NOT easy to find. Edm is trying with Caggulia, Schleppy, Kass or JJ. That effective 2nd / 3rd Liner is a challenge to find IMO

  71. Wayne Kenov says:

    90s fan:
    Pescador,

    Maybe i am naive, but i dont understand why filling in the roster is so hard. In the EIG era we seemed always have hard working fast teams with limited talent. Now we have the top end Talent, why cant we fill in the roster with the speedy hard working griers and marchants? We didn’t have money back then either!

    I think it is a problem about blame. Our bottom 6 is actually pretty good, especially when they aren’t forcing them into vacant top 6 roles. The problem lies in the fact that we don’t have a single top line winger, and our only second line quality winger (Lucic) is done. We have 3 first line centers, so I’m not sure we need to be ridiculous, but we need to bring in some journeyman top six players like a Niklas Hagman type. Instead we have a kid who is one of the biggest enigmas I’ve ever seen (JP), and a bunch of Toby Petersons.

    The one major problem I have with our bottom 6 is the lack of special teams players. Sort of the opposite of the Lennart Petrell problem.

  72. Wayne Kenov says:

    OmJo: “McDavid is Toby Petersen at 100% potential.” – Craig MacTavish

    Spooky that someone else brought up Toby Peterson on the same day. This is strong evidence for a collective consciousness.

  73. --hudson-- says:

    90s fan:
    Pescador,

    Maybe i am naive, but i dont understand why filling in the roster is so hard. In the EIG era we seemed always have hard working fast teams with limited talent. Now we have the top end Talent, why cant we fill in the roster with the speedy hard working griers and marchants? We didn’t have money back then either!

    I loved those late 90s teams, you knew we were not going to win the cup, but we were making the playoffs. One major difference was we had Sather pulling the trigger on trades. It felt like he almost always won trades with a few exceptions. But he was a harsh contract negotiator, lots of holdouts, and a poor draft record in the later years. I don’t think we would be in great shape if he was still running hockey ops here.

  74. --hudson-- says:

    Todd’s postgame. Discusses lack of finish but no mention on poor puck movement.

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgt_imKOeKg
    ————————————————–
    Q: … into goals but did you like the sense of urgency late from your team and was this just one of those games where you needed that last bounce?
    A: Well we needed to finish on some of the opportunities I thought early in the game as well, and when you fall behind against this team, they check well, they’re real good through the neutral zone, and I thought that Markstrom had an exceptional game. So not an awful game by us, but a game where the opportunities that presented themselves needed to be finished and they weren’t.

    Q: Is there just not much Sam Gagner could have done on Connor McDavid’s goal? There’s just elite skill at a high speed.
    A: Yeah he’s a fast guy, obviously he got in behind him, and it was a quick release. So it was a beautiful goal, typical Connor night.

    Q: Did you get an explanation or one that you could kind of live with regarding the non-icing?
    A: Well the play itself, everybody paused, and that’s on us we have to play until the whistle goes. You know there was certainly some question on whether or not the puck was touched, or whether or not Darnell Nurse lifted the stick of the Vancouver player, but, well in my opinion, it still happened on the other side of the red line. So either way it would have been icing, but you know it’s one of the breaks that gets built into the game, and we had our opportunities to overcome that with some glorious looks around the net, and we didn’t put it in.

    Q: Did you like your power play later in the game a little better than early?
    A: Well we only had two, the early one was average, the second one was dangerous. I think we hit the crossbar and the post, and you know it had some urgency in it which was good. Not every power play is going to be lethal, but eventually you got a score, and again we created chances… Leon’s was probably the best one that I think it hit the post, but those have to be put in.

    Q: The goal that Pouliot scored, was that just one of those ones where the defenseman came in, and then Cam looked like he over committed, thought he had help?
    A: We committed, we lost coverage is what we did. We got looking at the puck, and Pouliot made a good jump to the hole, and he also made a tremendous pump fake, and when you do that, the goalies coming out to commit, and you have to give him credit for having the poise to make the play.

    Q: Bear sat out because he was due or ?
    A: No, nobody’s ever due, but we thought he needed a little breather, and he needed to watch a game at this level, and you know he’s been very good offensively, he struggled a little bit defensively lately, and it never hurts for a player to go back up top and watch it when it’s moving a little bit slower, and there’s a lot of coaching done with him over the last couple days to try and help him. Let him absorb that and throw him back in on Saturday.

  75. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    I really hope ChiaPete lets Yammamoto and Benson marinate in the AHL for an entire season next year, barring a late-season cup of coffee. Bear as well, for that matter.

    Shouldn’t be a monumental task to find some veteran cover on short term deals that will fit under the cap.

  76. commonfan29 says:

    Gretzky won his first Hart in 79-80 when the Oilers were 47 points back of first overall in the league.

    He won it again the next year when the team ended up 36 back of first overall.

    Going back further, Bobby Clarke won it in 72-73 when the Flyers finished 35 back of first overall.

    Oilers are currently 37 points back of first.

  77. Bank Shot says:

    90s fan:
    Pescador,

    Maybe i am naive, but i dont understand why filling in the roster is so hard. In the EIG era we seemed always have hard working fast teams with limited talent. Now we have the top end Talent, why cant we fill in the roster with the speedy hard working griers and marchants? We didn’t have money back then either!

    A. Most of those guys were acquired by Sather who was smarter than any Oiler GM since. He was a better trader than most GMs.

    B. The market for those guys was smaller.

    You had your teams like the Rangers that would pay Holik $6 million to play on the third line. They didn’t give a shit about waiting for role players to develop. If they needed one, they bought one. Now all teams are holding on to these players because they usually provide cap effectiveness their first few years in the league.

    Also teams like Florida that were operating on a survival budget can now compete for depth players with teams like the Oilers. Sure the Oilers were second tier in the old system, but there were teams a lot worse off than them.

  78. Bank Shot says:

    What about the Oilers target Hagelin from the Pens for an option on the wing next year?

    Pens need to clear space. Hagelin is overpaid but only for one year.

    He’s like a Pouliot except good in a PK role.

  79. Bruce McCurdy says:

    godot10: McDavid is a suped-up Gilbert Perreault.

    David Staples calls him “Bobby Orr playing centre” & it’s a good take.

  80. jtblack says:

    Bank Shot:
    What about the Oilers target Hagelin from the Pens for an option on the wing next year?

    Pens need to clear space. Hagelin is overpaid but only for one year.

    He’s like a Pouliot except good in a PK role.

    I think you would have to dig deeper on his fancy stats and see if he’s actually a good player or not. He seems to be fading from my eye test. But he can certainly skate. Not sure if he is a good PK guy

  81. Bruce McCurdy says:

    –hudson–: I loved those late 90s teams, you knew we were not going to win the cup, but we were making the playoffs.One major difference was we had Sather pulling the trigger on trades.It felt like he almost always won trades with a few exceptions.But he was a harsh contract negotiator, lots of holdouts, and a poor draft record in the later years.I don’t think we would be in great shape if he was still running hockey ops here.

    The entire MGM Line came from trades. Three pretty big deals, with the key in each case being Sather’s ability to identify a young player who was actually going to develop and turn into something useful.

    Interesting concept.

  82. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Our bottom 6 is actually pretty good, especially when they aren’t forcing them into vacant top 6 roles.

    EDM this year with none of 97,93 or 29 on the ice 5v5:

    1372 minutes
    CF% 49.2
    GF% 37.7
    SH% 4.8%
    SV% .926

    So the shot metrics are ok, but they’re getting killed in goals to the tune of below NHL replacement level (~45%)

    Its not the goalering that is letting them down either as the ONSV% is .926

    Its the 4.8% SH%.

    No scoring talent.

    BOS is one of the better teams in the league:

    BOS 5v5 with no Marchand, Bergeron or Krejci on the ice:

    1797 minutes
    CF% 51.8
    GF% 49.6
    SH% 6.3%
    SV% .925

    A little bit more talent in the bottom 6 can go a long ways.

  83. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EC standings today via points %, expressed at “games over .500”

    Atlantic
    BOS 31
    TBY 29
    TOR 22

    Metropolitan
    WSH 22
    PIT 16
    CBJ 15

    Wildcards
    PHI 14
    NJD 12

    Out of playoffs
    FLA 10
    CAR 2
    NYR -2
    NYI -3
    DET -9
    MTL -9
    OTT -12
    BUF -17

    Hope NJD can hang on

    WC

    Central
    NSH 34
    WPG 27
    MIN 19

    Pacific
    VGK 26
    SJS 20
    LAK 15

    Wildcard
    STL 15
    ANA 14

    Out of playoffs
    COL 13
    DAL 8
    CGY 2
    CHI -4
    EDM -4
    VAN -11
    ARI -13

    Go COL!!!! Fuck ANA *spits*

    Current pre-lottery draft order:
    1 BUF
    2 ARI
    3 OTT
    4 VAN
    5 DET
    6 MTL
    7 EDM
    8 CHI
    9 NYI
    10 NYR

    EDM’s draft pick probabilities based on their current position of 24th overall:

    1st 6.0%
    2nd 6.3%
    3rd 6.7%

    Total probability of picking top 3 is 19%

    8th 36.8%
    9th 36.0%
    10th 7.8%
    11th 0.4%

    All probabilities via Micah Blake McCurdy: http://hockeyviz.com/txt/lotto5

  84. BONE207 says:

    Lowetide: You bet. I don’t think he’ll be available when Edmonton picks.

    You don’t think he’ll be there when we get the first pick, huh?

  85. jake70 says:

    90s fan:
    Pescador,

    Maybe i am naive, but i dont understand why filling in the roster is so hard. In the EIG era we seemed always have hard working fast teams with limited talent. Now we have the top end Talent, why cant we fill in the roster with the speedy hard working griers and marchants? We didn’t have money back then either!

    Great question: a few ideas….

    -Expansion
    -Expansion
    -Expansion
    -Expansion
    -Earlier free agency age
    -NMCs
    -Did I mention expansion?

    😉

  86. Lowetide says:

    BONE207: You don’t think he’ll be there when we get the first pick, huh?

    No sir. I expect he’ll be gone by No. 6. Despite the large group of defensemen, I think there will be a run on forwards after No. 1 overall.

    1. Buffalo-LD Rasmus Dahlen
    2. Arizona- R Andrei Svechnikov
    3. Ottawa- L Filip Zadina
    4. Vancouver-LD Quinn Hughes
    5. Montreal-R Oliver Wahlstrom
    6. Detroit-L Brady Tkachuk
    7. Edmonton-RD Adam Boqvist

  87. flyfish1168 says:

    If the Sedins are willing to sign with us at the right price I would welcome them. They can still play 3rd line minutes and the occasional top six. They still have the skill to produce and fast enough not to be a pylon out there. Could also help the PP.

  88. Pretendergast says:

    From TSN:
    -In trying to analyze what went wrong, McLellan keeps returning to the first game of the season.

    “After that game I think we took our foot off the gas, not thinking it was going to be easy, but just thinking we could play at a lower level than what we needed to have success,” he said.

    “That doesn’t happen in this league. Lesson learned, I hope.”

    Are you freaking kidding me, you lost the team after game 1

  89. BONE207 says:

    I mean like this…

    Lowetide: No sir. I expect he’ll be gone by No. 6. Despite the large group of defensemen, I think there will be a run on forwards after No. 1 overall.

    2. Buffalo-LD Rasmus Dahlen
    3. Arizona- R Andrei Svechnikov
    4. Ottawa- L Filip Zadina
    5. Vancouver-LD Quinn Hughes
    6. Montreal-R Oliver Wahlstrom
    7. Detroit-L Brady Tkachuk
    1. Edmonton-

  90. Lowetide says:

    BONE207:
    I mean like this…

    Haha.

  91. Pink Socks says:

    BONE207:
    I mean like this…

    I am torn though. Would it be great for Dahlin to be an Oiler? Certainly, especially to watch the collective heads around the league explode. But I honestly think it would be more glorious to pick second, take Svechnikov and have Calgary win the lottery and watch Burke, Treliving, and every Flame fan sob into their beers as they watch Dahlin put on an Isles jersey.

  92. Harpers Hair says:

    flyfish1168:
    If the Sedins are willing to sign with us at the right price I would welcome them. They can still play 3rd line minutes and the occasional top six. They still have the skill to produce and fast enough not to be a pylon out there. Could also help the PP.

    The Sedins have been very clear they will end their careers in Vancouver. Should they decide they want one more season and the Canucks won’t agree, I would imagine they would want an big overpay on one year contracts to play somewhere else. $5m times 2.

  93. russ99 says:

    If we can get a Dan Winnik to center the third line for $1.75-2.25M why spend $3M on Strome.

    He’s shown value to the league, so we could flip him for something decent at the draft, maybe one of the needed wingers.

    The rest of the RFAs but Nurse, we should dump for more picks, maybe use Benning as a throw in on a Nuge for Faulk deal to get another asset.

    We can’t bring those players back at higher one-way salaries that we can’t stash in the AHL and expect better, that’s repeating Chia’s biggest summer mistake.

    I’d stand pat with the prospects on their ELCs, but the RFAs have to go.

  94. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    According to the twins, they intend to retire as Canucks and are more than happy to play the mentor role on a rebuilding team.

    https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/daniel-and-henrik-sedin-dear-vancouver

  95. russ99 says:

    Pretendergast:
    From TSN:
    -In trying to analyze what went wrong, McLellan keeps returning to the first game of the season.

    “After that game I think we took our foot off the gas, not thinking it was going to be easy, but just thinking we could play at a lower level than what we needed to have success,” he said.

    “That doesn’t happen in this league. Lesson learned, I hope.”

    Are you freaking kidding me, you lost the team after game 1

    The man has a point, even last season whenever the players got it in their head that things were going to be easy, the compete level slipped and we fell off.

    Not saying this is the root cause of this season, but he has a point.

    Sure you’re gonna rip McLellan, but how does the next coach improve on this?

  96. flyfish1168 says:

    Harpers Hair: The Sedins have been very clear they will end their careers in Vancouver. Should they decide they want one more season and the Canucks won’t agree, I would imagine they would want an big overpay on one year contracts to play somewhere else. $5m times 2.

    We can dream of the possibilities like a lot of the post here.

  97. Pretendergast says:

    russ99,

    I’m not a coach, that’s why they’re getting paid. How does any coach make sure the players understand what it takes to win? I assume that’s what got them there in the first place, nobody hires losers.

    If i knew what it was I’d get behind the bench tomorrow.

  98. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Our bottom 6 is actually pretty good, especially when they aren’t forcing them into vacant top 6 roles.

    EDM this year with none of 97,93 or 29 on the ice 5v5:

    1372 minutes
    CF% 49.2
    GF% 37.7
    SH% 4.8%
    SV% .926

    So the shot metrics are ok, but they’re getting killed in goals to the tune of below NHL replacement level (~45%)

    Its not the goalering that is letting them down either as the ONSV% is .926

    Its the 4.8% SH%.

    No scoring talent.

    BOS is one of the better teams in the league:

    BOS 5v5 with no Marchand, Bergeron or Krejci on the ice:

    1797 minutes
    CF% 51.8
    GF% 49.6
    SH% 6.3%
    SV% .925

    A little bit more talent in the bottom 6 can go a long ways.

    I find getting to my once a year live Oilers game there is a lot I don’t see on tv. I suppose because you can see behind the play, changes etc, although it’s a lot to take in if you’re trying to keep track of certain players and the other team as well. And a few celebratory Wobblies.

    I completely agree talent is the problem. McL is trying to be nice but continually mentions finishing. There are too many passengers – chasing the play not executing strategy- and guys that just don’t have NHL hands up front.

    Backend too many struggle with execution of basic play as well. I don’t know how some coaches get decent play out of their deficient D corps. These guys can’t, is it players or coaches or both?

    They definitely need to add better bottom 6 forwards and by the way McD plays a guy to dig pucks and be tight in the D zone.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    If we can get a Dan Winnik to center the third line for $1.75-2.25M why spend $3M on Strome.

    He’s shown value to the league, so we could flip him for something decent at the draft, maybe one of the needed wingers.

    The rest of the RFAs but Nurse, we should dump for more picks, maybe use Benning as a throw in on a Nuge for Faulk deal to get another asset.

    We can’t bring those players back at higher one-way salaries that we can’t stash in the AHL and expect better, that’s repeating Chia’s biggest summer mistake.

    I’d stand pat with the prospects on their ELCs, but the RFAs have to go.

    Benning, Caggulia, Slepyshev, Pakarinan can all be qualified at salaries that can be buried in the minors with essentially no cap hit.

    Having a one-way vs. a two-way contract has zero to do with this and zero to with anything except the actual dollars a player will earn if assigned to the minors.

    They may not sign for a nominal 5% raise over their current salaries but they won’t get much more (Pak and Slep shouldn’t get over $1M but Benning and Caggulia likely will – dislike Caggulia’s overall play but he has scored like 13 goals and that will get him $1.25M – $1.5M.

    The Nuge for Faulk part of the post doesn’t even warrant a response – it just shows more of the extreme bias against a player.

  100. 90s fan says:

    Pretendergast:
    russ99,

    I’m not a coach, that’s why they’re getting paid. How does any coach make sure the players understand what it takes to win? I assume that’s what got them there in the first place, nobody hires losers.

    If i knew what it was I’d get behind the bench tomorrow.

    How did Ron Lowe get his guys to work so hard. Teams came in knowing they may win, but it won’t be fun. Is that a personel thing (chias issue) or a coach thing (McLellan s issue)?

  101. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Benning, Caggulia, Slepyshev, Pakarinan can all be qualified at salaries that can be buried in the minors with essentially no cap hit.

    Having a one-way vs. a two-way contract has zero to do with this and zero to with anything except the actual dollars a player will earn if assigned to the minors.

    They may not sign for a nominal 5% raise over their current salaries but they won’t get much more (Pak and Slep shouldn’t get over $1M but Benning and Caggulia likely will – dislike Caggulia’s overall play but he has scored like 13 goals and that will get him $1.25M – $1.5M.

    The Nuge for Faulk part of the post doesn’t even warrant a response – it just shows more of the extreme bias against a player.

    Cags reminds me of a less skilled Gagner.

  102. rickithebear says:

    Finishing is easier when
    1. your players drive the HD area do not drop puck back for ld area shots
    2. Do not have 4 players on perimeter on pp, have 2 in high % HD area. Forcing HD coverage low. allowing 3 vs 2 inside the HD lower% HD area.

    Finishing is harder when
    1. Dmen and forwards press the attack to perimeter.
    2. Dmen force shooting lanes creating blocks, causing high miss and hit goalie rates

    Opposite of what Tmac is running.
    Not the Coach!
    Watch the system buddy!

  103. 90s fan says:

    90s fan,
    90s fan,

    I often wonder if JP was the right pick, over Tkachuk, cause we could use a half dozen of that player.

  104. Scungilli Slushy says:

    90s fan:
    90s fan,
    90s fan,

    I often wonder if JP was the right pick, over Tkachuk, cause we could use a half dozen of that player.

    At the time he was. No question. He might still be a better player in the end.

  105. who says:

    russ99:
    If we can get a Dan Winnik to center the third line for $1.75-2.25M why spend $3M on Strome.

    He’s shown value to the league, so we could flip him for something decent at the draft, maybe one of the needed wingers.

    The rest of the RFAs but Nurse, we should dump for more picks, maybe use Benning as a throw in on a Nuge for Faulk deal to get another asset.

    We can’t bring those players back at higher one-way salaries that we can’t stash in the AHL and expect better, that’s repeating Chia’s biggest summer mistake.

    I’d stand pat with the prospects on their ELCs, but the RFAs have to go.

    Nuge for Faulk is a bad idea.
    Faulk looked brutal when we played the Canes.

  106. JimmyV1965 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Cags reminds me of a less skilled Gagner.

    Maybe the Drake would be better defensively if we played zone defence, rather than man on man. I have no idea.

  107. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JimmyV1965: Maybe the Drake would be better defensively if we played zone defence, rather than man on man. I have no idea.

    Maybe. It’s funny how we all see the game differently. To my eye Cags doesn’t do much. He has enough ability to get a few goals. But he doesn’t carry weight for his line. He’s busy but ineffective mostly. I could live with him if he didn’t get lit up I suppose.

  108. JimmyV1965 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Maybe. It’s funny how we all see the game differently. To my eye Cags doesn’t do much. He has enough ability to get a few goals. But he doesn’t carry weight for his line. He’s busy but ineffective mostly. I could live with him if he didn’t get lit up I suppose.

    I’m basically meh on the Drake. He has flashes offensively and if he could just bury his chances, he might be a keeper. He sucks defensively, more so than the others, but they all suck. Would hate to see him put it together on another team and you can sign him to a contract that can almost be completely buried in the AHL.

  109. €√¥£€^$ says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m basically meh on the Drake. He has flashes offensively and if he could just bury his chances, he might be a keeper. He sucks defensively, more so than the others, but they all suck. Would hate to see him put it together on another team and you can sign him to a contract that can almost be completely buried in the AHL.

    Cagguila is a lot of hustle, but he seems to lose a lot of battles, seems to be out of position a lot and seems to miss the next a lot. I expected a lot more of him hearing about his minor league career and watching his UND hilights.

    He would have been served better starting off in the AHL, but it demonstrates how thin the roster is. He has been able.to cash in lately, but he has been gifted a ton of prime time minutes. If he was truly a skilled NHL player he’d hit the net, instead of missing it and would be pushing 30 goals. He’s almost at 14% in shooting percentage, which means he is shooting very well when on target, so that looks good. Apparently he’s missed the net only 27 times, so I’d wager he could have 10-12 more goals if he was on target, from what I recall….There are teams who would be interested in his services.

  110. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Looking at the missed net stat, Auvitu the invisible (my favourite player after 97) shines like a diamond. He has 67 shots on net, but only 13 misses. The other comparables are Khaira, Slepyshev & Aberg who have 68, 64 & 67 SOG respectively and 39, 31 & 30 misses….Pretty good for a Dman who often plays close to half the minutes of the 1st & 2nd pairings and has only dressed in 31 games (424 minutes).

    LT identified him as a player of interest to acquire in the offseason, I sure wish the coach had been interested in playing him more often and also using him on the PP. Sekera has played in 34 games (553 minutes total & 56 seconds per game on the PP) and has 33 shots and 14 misses. OV2 has played on the PP in really only 4 games (an avg of 20 seconds per game). Its nuts to me….

    In digging into the Connor for Hart debate, I was looking for other aspects. What really stood out was that every MVP candidate (except Hall) has an at least 50 point Dman on their team. Hall has rookie surprise Will Butcher who has 40, as well as Vatanen with 31, who missed about a dozen games and Severson, who has 9 goals. Connor has Nurse who has 25 pts, Russell with 21 & injured Klef with 21. Deployed properly I think Auvitu could’ve scored 10 goals & 40 pts this season. Nurse & Klefbom have some of the highest shot generation rates in the NHL, and I dare say OV2 would be right there with them, with more points, if given similar opportunity. This exercise.really drove home.to me the need for an offensive driver on the blueline (but we knew that already, someone needed to drive that point home to Chia when he took over dammit).

    There will be a lot of naysayers out there, but OV2 has looked better than Sekera and Benning, definitely better than Russell on many nights as well and he has had more success at moving the puck out of the zone consistently than every other Oiler IMO. I’d like to see zone exit data for this team. I’d bet he’s right at the top. That means something in this league and would’ve helped this team out this year.

    Most folks dismiss him as chaos incorporated, but he is better than most people think and he would’ve improved as the season went on if given more at bats. I just don’t see how a player progresses while sitting in the press box.

  111. Wilde says:

    €√¥£€^$,

    Yeah, the thing with that UND line is it had Boeser and N. Schmaltz on it, who are both just splendid forwards more than capable of zooming the shit out of a guy at that level.

    Caggiula is actually pretty good at getting to high danger areas on time offensively, well above league average, but he’s just so far below replacement level at the same thing defensively that he gives the other team a great chance to outchance and outscore him.

    I’d like to see if he could play well defensively under another coach, but I don’t think he’s worth the money to find out.

    He’s also completely fine on the fourth line by underlying metrics, but we’ve got too many of those guys. Need to move Kassian and have the 4th line cost under 2.5M (combined) next year.

  112. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde:
    €√¥£€^$,

    Yeah, the thing with that UND line is it had Boeser and N. Schmaltz on it, who are both just splendid forwards more than capable of zooming the shit out of a guy at that level.

    Caggiula is actually pretty good at getting to high danger areas on time offensively, well above league average, but he’s just so far below replacement level at the same thing defensively that he gives the other team a great chance to outchance and outscore him.

    I’d like to see if he could play well defensively under another coach, but I don’t think he’s worth the money to find out.

    He’s also completely fine on the fourth line by underlying metrics, but we’ve got too many of those guys. Need to move Kassian and have the 4th line cost under 2.5M (combined) next year.

    I’m not sure what you mean when you say he’s not worth the money. He’ll get maybe 1.25 mill in a new deal. If you send him to the minors, his cap hit is 300k.

  113. Wilde says:

    JimmyV1965: 1.25m, 300k

    And that’s too much. They need to shed 100% of the fat on this team, including bridging Nurse to keep everyone and add help and that should be the goal.

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