G81 2017-18: Golden Knights at Oilers

We should see a much stronger team in Bakersfield next season, although one wonders if that fine city will ever see a trio with the combined talent of Leon Draisaitl, Darnell Nurse and Jesse Puljujarvi in the next 30 years. Edmonton needs the Condors to send them men like Jason Chimera, Fernando Pisani, Kyle Brodziak, Tyler Pitlick. Your impact players don’t play in the American League, but it would be damned foolish to overlook a key component of a successful NHL franchise.

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BEING THERE, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in April 2016: 0-1-0, goal differential -5
  • Oilers in April 2017: 1-0-0, goal differential +1 
  • Oilers in April 2018: 0-1-0, goal differential -3
  • April 6, 2016: Edmonton 6, Vancouver 2 (Source)
  • April 4, 2017: Los Angeles 6, Edmonton 4 (Source)

Not much to say, it’s incredible when April and the playoffs come and it’s pain when April arrives and it’s the end. I’ve been an Oilers fan for every spring since 1972 and the playoffs are the promised land. Not getting there, after getting there for the first time in a decade, seems senselessly cruel.

AFTER 80, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 30-43-7, goal differential -53 (67 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 45-26-9, goal differential +40 (99 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 34-40-6, goal differential -34 (74 points)
  • April 6, 2016: Edmonton 6, Vancouver 2 (Source)
  • April 8, 2017: Edmonton 3, Vancouver 2 (Source)

There was a time when 80 points was possible but now Todd McLellan needs two wins to get to 78 for the season. That’s going to be a tough conversation at the exit meeting. I think he has a story (roster quality) but you can’t fire 23 players.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM APRIL

  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: Vegas, Vancouver (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected results: 1-2-0, two points in three games
  • Overall actual results: 0-1-0, zero points in one game 

Jesse Puljujarvi’s stats don’t look fab straight on, but rummage around a little and there’s a story to tell. Consider his ranking among Edmonton forwards in primary points who have played 20 or more games (Corsica):

  1. Connor McDavid 2.31
  2. Leon Draisaitl 1.97
  3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.39
  4. Jesse Puljujarvi 1.22
  5. Anton Slepyshev 1.21
  6. Ryan Strome 1.13
  7. Patrick Maroon 1.07
  8. Drake Caggiula 1.04
  9. Jujhar Khaira 1.02
  10. Zack Kassian 0.92
  11. Milan Lucic 0.78
  12. Mark Letestu 0.69
  13. Iiro Pakarinen 0.53

Let’s say you can pick only six players from this group for next season and the rest are free agents. Any fool would choose McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, but after that I think there might be some difference of opinion. My final three are Puljujarvi, Slepyshev and Khaira. You? I hope the Oilers get a goal from the LD line tonight, it would be very good to see the big Finn leave for summer on a high note.

5×5 scoring per 60 (FORWARDS)

Same question. Name your six keepers. Mine are McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, Slepyshev, Khaira, Puljujarvi. Yours? My No. 7 name would be Maroon on a reasonable contract and then Yamamoto (who may or may not start in Bakersfield).

Edmonton has some heavy prices on men like Milan Lucic, Ryan Strome, Zack Kassian. There’s a chance those three men will play in the bottom 6F next season while using up almost $11 million in cap. That’s too much by plenty.

Interesting article with some Oilers content inside. I have a ’24-hour’ policy on quoting content, so won’t post the quote, but do recommend you click on the article.

POSSIBLE CONDORS 2018-19 ROSTER

There’s miles to go and none of the names on this list is assured of an NHL career. It’s also important to note (as mentioned above) an AHL team rarely sees a Draisaitl, Nurse or Puljujarvi at all, so the difficult business of grinding players into useful NHL role players is the discussion point with this (incomplete) roster.

In the “Farm Workers” post last spring, I wrote:

  • Daniel Cleary, Fernando Pisani and Jason Chimera became productive players in the toughest league on the planet. THEY are the stars in this study. I remember each of these men in the minors, and the one thing they did was improve offensively. Pisani arrived from college with a fairly complete toolkit, but didn’t score a bunch until year two AHL. Same with Chimera, and the ‘Hawks had confused Clearly so he needed a full AHL season after coming over. Current Condors who spiked offensively in year two? Joey Laleggia, Anton Slepyshev and Jujhar Khaira. That’s your list.

An offensive spike from Gambardella in the coming season would be most welcome, and my guess is Caleb Jones returns in the fall determined to have a strong season. Newcomers like Lagesson and Safin will be starting their journey (probably) but the goal would be the same. From the list of last spring, Jujhar Khaira took the biggest step forward and established himself as an NHL player. I believe Slepyshev is worthy of the same investment.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy show with a lot to discuss. It all starts at 10 this morning, TSN 1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Gary Lawless, Golden Knights insider. A dream season for Vegas, we’ll chat about what went right (because nothing went wrong).
  • Rob Vollman, NHL.com and ESPN. Sedins, who wins the Norris and the ideal landing spot for young Dahlin.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. The NHL season comes to a close this weekend, and the changes in management and coaching across the league could be massive. Where do the Oilers stand?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Revolved says:

    I haven’t noticed it mentioned, but the first SHL semi final between Lagesson’s Djurgården and Berglund’s Skellefteå was Tuesday. Nothing happens while our guys were on the ice until OT when Berglund (maybe a fourth assist) got the +1 and Lagesson (blown past by a very quick attack that split the D) the -1.

    I was there, and didn’t notice Lagesson at all, though he played 23:31. Berglund consistently advanced the puck, though there is some chaos there, in 21:39. Next game is tonight in Skellefteå.

  2. McSorley33 says:

    We are like a wounded deer on the highway.

    Sunday cannot come fast enough.

    Press conference scheduled for Monday, April 9th?

  3. frjohnk says:

    The pts/60 numbers without McDavid drops for
    Draisaitl W/O McDavid 2.11 pts/60
    RNH W/O McDavid 1.71 pts/60
    Cammy W/O McDavid 1.54 pts/60

    McDavid pretty much just zooms everyone. But he needs help for when he is on the bench

    Dug into some numbers earlier this morning.

    Oilers
    CF% 50.6% 14th place
    GF% 48.3% 19th place
    HDCF% 49.3% 17th place

    Shot, goal and high danger metrics show a team better than 26th or whatever we will end up with but still out of a playoff spot.

    McDavid on ice
    CF% 52.4%
    GF% 56.8%
    HDCF% 54.8%

    McDavid is fire. Those numbers are crazy.

    Without McDavid
    CF% 49.6%
    GF% 42.1%
    HDCF% 45.5%

    Not as bad as the Eakins era when Hall was on the bench, but still not good. Those goal and high danger chance numbers are in the “woof, woof” category.

    Dellow had an article or tweet about a month ago that compared Oiler lines 2-3-4 and with other 2-3-4 lines throughout the league and collectively the Oilers lines 2-3-4 were 27th GF%. Woof, Woof!

    McDavid on ice ( League Average)
    CF/60 67.8 (58.7)
    GF/60 3.7 (2.44)
    HDCF/60 16.1 (11)

    The amount of offense when this guy is on the ice is…..there are no words.

    Without McDavid ( League Average)
    CF/60 57.7 (58.7)
    GF/60 1.8 (2.44)
    HDCF/60 9.8 (11)

    Here we see that when McDavid is on the bench, the rest of the team….is not good at producing offense. While they take almost the same amount of shot attempts as league average, fewer of these shot attempts are from the high danger area. That narrative that the Oilers shoot more from the perimeter, has many legs when looking at when McDavid is off the ice.

  4. Pescador says:

    McSorley33:
    We are like a wounded deer on the highway.

    Sunday cannot come fast enough.

    Press conference scheduled for Monday, April 9th?

    Press confrence title

  5. Pescador says:

    McSorley33:
    We are like a wounded deer on the highway.

    Sunday cannot come fast enough.

    Press conference scheduled for Monday, April 9th?

    Press conference title:
    ‘Thinly veiled guise of continuity’

  6. stevebergeron97 says:

    How about that Blackhawks win last night 👍

  7. McSorley33 says:

    frjohnk,

    Great work, as usual.

    Thanks.

  8. Pescador says:

    frjohnk,

    McDavid zooms the opposition when he’s on the bench

  9. frjohnk says:

    McSorley33: Press conference scheduled for Monday, April 9th?

    The Katz way
    Promotions and contract extensions for everybody in coaching and management

  10. dustrock says:

    frjohnk,

    Interesting stuff.

    Is that the roster, or McLellan, or both?

  11. pboy says:

    It’s past time for someone in the mainstream media to call out Katz for being such a terrible owner, the Daniel Snyder of the NHL. Yes, he allows the team to spend to the cap but accountability, making winning the #1 priority and ensuring this is a first class organization don’t appear to be things he is all that concerned with. This organization is doing fine financially but besides the dollars and cents, it’s a joke and that’s starts at the top. I can’t help but wonder how different things would be if Gary Gregg had bought the team instead of Katz? Maybe we wouldn’t have the beautiful building in the heart of the city but would the organization be this dysfunctional? Darryl Katz should be embarrassed but who even knows if he cares?

  12. Woogie63 says:

    Is Brossoit done as an Oiler?

    First String Goalie on each play-off team – Games played in the AHL or EHCL (CapFriendly)

    Rinnie – 145
    Hellebuyck -22
    Dubynk – 175
    Fleury – 71
    Jones – 159
    Gibson -245
    Quick -71
    Varlamov – 33
    Rask – 102
    Vasilevskiy – 37
    Anderson -51
    Hotby – 144
    Murray – 72
    Bob -0
    Schneider 136; Kinkaid 143
    Elliott – 52

    Brossoit 153

    To stay with this group Brossoit needs to win at the NHL level now.

  13. JimmyV1965 says:

    Just an observation from yesterday’s thread.

    I know that Ottawa wants to attach Ryan to the Karlsson trade, but I’m not sure if they have much choice in the matter. I may be wrong, but it appears to me that Karlsson wants out. So they either trade him alone and generate interest from multiple teams or they trade him with Ryan and generate interest from Vegas and…

  14. digger50 says:

    frjohnk,

    Great info this morning. Thanks

    My takeaway is that obviously the first line is secure so we start by building and winning with second line. Drai can donit but he needs help, not hinderance. Give him some quality to work with and we can be assured to win with lines 1 and 2. Lines 3 and 4 another problem.

    I like the look of Drai’s linemates this evening.

  15. pboy says:

    JimmyV1965,

    I think you’re right about this. If they want to maximize the return on Karlsson, you can’t make including Ryan mandatory. Few teams can take on both guys and they aren’t going to have a choice with Karlsson cause he won’t be re-signing with Ottawa so this summer is the perfect time to trade him.

  16. ArmchairGM says:

    That 2nd line is evidence that TMac reads this blog.

  17. Bos8 says:

    ArmchairGM,

    So why didn’t he respond three months ago?

  18. AshetonisGod says:

    pboy,

    Fair point. But he did hire Bob Nicholson, who in turned hired Chia and Tmac. These guys were supposed to know what they were doing. Seems like Katz tried to turn it around with good hires, but these guys have not outperformed their predecessors. Given that most of Chia’s bets have turned out poorly, it’s hard for me to imagine he gets to stay on.

  19. Ribs says:

    Pretty cool to see one of my logos (ANHC) up on the TSN site https://www.tsn.ca/radio/edmonton-1260/events/alberta-native-provincial-hockey-championships

    We’ve been full out getting everything ready for this tournament for the last month and I’m glad to see it’s finally here! If you’re in one of the six Edmonton rinks that this tournament is overtaking this weekend (over 250 teams playing), stop by one of the souvenir booths, and check out some of the neat stuff!

  20. digger50 says:

    I posted before about how other teams(players) will talk about “thier line” and describe thier role, function, etc with a sense of identity and pride. This is difficult on the Oil. We heard it a little pre-season and then nothing but blender until the last 1/4 of the season.

    Connor has mentioned it before. Strome mentions it yesterday. By eye. I think we have witnessed players trying to find thier role, get familiarity going, find chemistry and see often very inconsistent play.

    While players are quick to say “this is a good thing” (blender) to cover thier butt, I don’t think that’s what they are saying behind closed doors.

  21. CaptainObvious says:

    ‘Your impact players don’t play in the American League, but it would be damned foolish to overlook a key component of a successful NHL franchise.”

    Yeah. And I hope they remember to buy enough hockey sticks.

    And Tape. You cant build a winning organization without tape. Lots and Lots of Tape.

  22. CaptainObvious says:

    ARMCHAIRGM says:
    April 5, 2018 at 9:44 am
    That 2nd line is evidence that TMac reads this blog.

    BOS8 says:
    April 5, 2018 at 9:48 am
    ArmchairGM,

    So why didn’t he respond three months ago?

    ==================================

    You cant write this stuff….it has to happen organically.

  23. pboy says:

    AshetonisGod,

    On yesterday’s Oilers Now, Stauffer said that a full audit of the team would be made on the decisions that led here and the people making them. I can’t realistically see Chiarelli retaining his job if that actually occurs. With that said, I’ll be shocked if Chiarelli is fired and that goes to accountability. From the smallest Mom and Pop store to a multi national conglomerate, tone is set from the top. IMO, Nicholson, Lowe, MacT, Chiarelli, all of the pro scouts and amatuer scouts, K Gretzky, Coach Todd and his staff should all be gone but I just can’t see it happening.

  24. Bos8 says:

    What the Mcblender development program is doing to Puljujarvi is criminal.

    Every time he has a game it’s back to the fourth line and no minutes.

    God forsaken sadistic behavior by the coaching staff. System Uber Alles.

  25. CaptainObvious says:

    pboy:
    AshetonisGod,

    On yesterday’s Oilers Now, Stauffer said that a full audit of the team would be made on the decisions that led here and the people making them. I can’t realistically see Chiarelli retaining his job if that actually occurs. With that said, I’ll be shocked if Chiarelli is fired and that goes to accountability. From the smallest Mom and Pop store to a multi national conglomerate, tone is set from the top. IMO, Nicholson, Lowe, MacT, Chiarelli, all of the pro scouts and amatuer scouts, K Gretzky, Coach Todd and his staff should all be gone but I just can’t see it happening.

    And dont forget that dumb cat/linx thats always banging that annoying drum. That feline face of the franchise.

  26. CaptainObvious says:

    Bos8:
    What the Mcblender development program is doing to Puljarvi is criminal.

    Every time he has a game it’s back to the fourth line and no minutes.

    God forsaken sadistic behavior by the coaching staff.System Uber Alles.

    The Marquis De Todd.

    Lock Him up! Lock Him Up!

  27. digger50 says:

    Woogie63:
    Is Brossoit done as an Oiler?

    First String Goalie on each play-off team – Games played in the AHL or EHCL (CapFriendly)

    Rinnie – 145
    Hellebuyck -22
    Dubynk – 175
    Fleury – 71
    Jones – 159
    Gibson -245
    Quick -71
    Varlamov – 33
    Rask – 102
    Vasilevskiy – 37
    Anderson -51
    Hotby – 144
    Murray – 72
    Bob -0
    Schneider 136; Kinkaid 143
    Elliott – 52

    Brossoit 153

    To stay with this group Brossoit needs to win at the NHL level now.

    I feel for LB

    Finally makes the NHL where his career comes to a grinding halt. Coach won’t play him. Painfully obvious he has no real purpose on the team.

    Coach is forced to play him due to Talbots injury and he is nowhere near ready mentally .

    Team comes out and public ally supports him.

    He is surprised with a Montoya trade, states he had no doubt idea.

    Play majority of minutes in Bakersfield “as if” he’s still in the teams plans.

    The team could have kept Montoya’s cost down to a fifth round pick simply by playing Montoya two games less, and allowing LB a shot to see where he’s at.

    He does get a call to back up one game.

    So a few mixed messages but overall there is zero chance he succeeds under Tmac, and almost zero chance with the Oil. He may have another shot somewhere else, but likely this is his last time in an NHL uniform and yeah, I feel for him.

  28. StixMalone says:

    pboy:
    It’s past time for someone in the mainstream media to call out Katz for being such a terrible owner, the Daniel Snyder of the NHL. Yes, he allows the team to spend to the cap but accountability, making winning the #1 priority and ensuring this is a first class organization don’t appear to be things he is all that concerned with. This organization is doing fine financially but besides the dollars and cents, it’s a joke and that’s starts at the top. I can’t help but wonder how different things would be if Gary Gregg had bought the team instead of Katz? Maybe we wouldn’t have the beautiful building in the heart of the city but would the organization be this dysfunctional? Darryl Katz should be embarrassed but who even knows if he cares?

    Unfortunately this is how most corporations work. All top heavy with people who really don’t know what they’re doing. The actual people that know what they’re doing and keep the corporation running don’t get recognized or promoted to a position they deserve and can succeed at……

  29. CaptainObvious says:

    digger50: I feel for LB

    Finally makes the NHL where his career comes to a grinding halt. Coach won’t play him. Painfully obvious he has no real purpose on the team.

    Coach is forced to play him due to Talbots injury and he is nowhere near ready mentally .

    Team comes out and public ally supports him.

    He is surprised with a Montoya trade, states he had no doubt idea.

    Play majority of minutes in Bakersfield “as if” he’s still in the teams plans.

    The team could have kept Montoya’s cost down to a fifth round pick simply by playing Montoya two games less, and allowing LB a shot to see where he’s at.

    He does get a call to back up one game.

    So a few mixed messages but overall there is zero chance he succeeds under Tmac, and almost zero chance with the Oil. He may have another shot somewhere else, but likely this is his last time in an NHL uniform and yeah, I feel for him.

    He didnt play well.

  30. digger50 says:

    Ribs:
    Pretty cool to see one of my logos (ANHC) up on the TSN site https://www.tsn.ca/radio/edmonton-1260/events/alberta-native-provincial-hockey-championships

    We’ve been full out getting everything ready for this tournament for the last month and I’m glad to see it’s finally here! If you’re in one of the six Edmonton rinks that this tournament is overtaking this weekend (over 250 teams playing), stop by one of the souvenir booths, and check out some of the neat stuff!

    Nice logo. And sounds like a ton of work. I hope the tournament is a huge success.

  31. frjohnk says:

    dustrock:
    frjohnk,

    Interesting stuff.

    Is that the roster, or McLellan, or both?

    We know that the special teams were crap this year, I hang that mostly on the coaching staff. I had mentioned at the beginning of the year that the Oilers in 11-12 ran a hot PP, the year after, opposing teams had studied and adapted to it and the Oilers PP came back down to Earth. I think the same thing happened with the Oilers PP from last year to the beginning of this year. Other teams adapted on how to defend it. When the PP had no success, TMac reverted to his blender and the PP just wandered throughout the year.

    The PK? a novel could be written on that sucker.

    But the numbers I posted earlier are just 5 on 5. So they do not have any special teams attachment.
    While TMac has had questionable deployment at 5 on 5, or even 4 on 4 ( Lucic, WTF?) I do think it is more a roster issue that was basically compounded by injuries, some bad luck, one guy falling off a cliff and mostly too many players punching above their weight.

    From last year, we lost Maroon, Lucic and Eberle as top 6 forwards. We currently only have 3 top 6 forwards in RNH, McDavid and Drai. The bottom 6 is horribly expensive moving into next year. All the bets made by the GM that the young forwards would take a step forward blew up in his face. Many of these young players had oodles of playing time with McDavid, RNH and Drai but faceplanted

    Deployment of JP and his handling over the 2 years I blame on the coach and GM.

    Our D this year from last year,
    Sekera last year, was with Klefbom as our best Dman
    -Sekera because of injury was not even an NHL Dman this year
    -Klefbom because of injury and ??? took steps backward
    -Larsson, bascially see Klefbom
    -Nurse improved
    -Russell, while the save% magically did not reappear like most figured, I liked him better than most
    -Benning struggled at many points

    -no cover for injury to Sekera and a hope that Klefbom, Larsson and Nurse would all take a step forward.

    -Goaltending. If Talbot saved half of those first, second shots, his save % is closer to last year at 5 on 5.
    Gus was a bust last year, but it did not matter, as Talbot was close to elite.
    LB was a bust this year, Montayo, not much better, so there was 2 years in a row that back up goaltending did not provide cover.

    Pretty hard not to see issues with coaching and roster construction.

  32. CaptainObvious says:

    StixMalone: Unfortunately this is how most corporations work. All top heavy with people who really don’t know what they’re doing. The actual people that know what they’re doing and keep the corporation running don’t get recognized or promoted to a position they deserve and can succeed at……

    Well……thats counterintuitve.

  33. Bos8 says:

    CaptainObvious,

    Yep

    The best comic relief is Lucic playing man to man defense. He can’t get there from here.

    Puljujarvi is frustrated you say. No shit!

    But it’s the system. Screw what the other team does, my system will prevail.

  34. digger50 says:

    CaptainObvious: He didnt play well.

    Thanks captain obvious

    Try digging a little deeper. Why do you think he didn’t play well?

    Andy Dufrene is back to police us and all our comments. To shut down what he thinks is stupid. To defend those who he feels are being attacked.

    If you have something to say or add, please do so.

    If you just wants to criticize it stops people from posting and limits new perspectives coming in. There is already a facilitator here, we are all good.

  35. Bos8 says:

    frjohnk,

    Excellent summation

  36. godot10 says:

    Woogie63:
    Is Brossoit done as an Oiler?

    First String Goalie on each play-off team – Games played in the AHL or EHCL (CapFriendly)

    Rinnie – 145
    Hellebuyck -22
    Dubynk – 175
    Fleury – 71
    Jones – 159
    Gibson -245
    Quick -71
    Varlamov – 33
    Rask – 102
    Vasilevskiy – 37
    Anderson -51
    Hotby – 144
    Murray – 72
    Bob -0
    Schneider 136; Kinkaid 143
    Elliott – 52

    Brossoit 153

    To stay with this group Brossoit needs to win at the NHL level now.

    Hellebuyck 88 games in the AHL
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=144065

    Gibson 70 games in the AHL
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=123445

    First two I look up from your list are incorrect. How many others on your list are wrong?

  37. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM:
    That 2nd line is evidence that TMac reads this blog.

    We told him to put Nugent-Hopkins with McDavid over a year ago.

  38. Ribs says:

    digger50: Nice logo. And sounds like a ton of work. I hope the tournament is a huge success.

    Thanks! We have been doing this tournament for many years now, but this year seems extra nuts. They’ve hired a media person this year (I think she worked with the Oilers at some point) and she’s got this thing popping up everywhere. It’s a really cool tournament so it’s fun to see it blow up a little bit!

  39. godot10 says:

    AshetonisGod:
    pboy,

    Fair point. But he did hire Bob Nicholson, who in turned hired Chia and Tmac. These guys were supposed to know what they were doing. Seems like Katz tried to turn it around with good hires, but these guys have not outperformed their predecessors. Given that most of Chia’s bets have turned out poorly, it’s hard for me to imagine he gets to stay on.

    But Katz didn’t let them fire Lowe and MacT and many of the other hangers on. Rogers Place has a nice alumni room for those guys. No need to have them in the management offices.

  40. Bling says:

    If the Oilers spent as much time on the hiring process as they do on auditing and post-mortems, the team would be in a much better position.

    It is important to learn from past mistakes, but lurching from one flawed regime to another does not make sense, and there were plenty of warning signs about Chia prior to his hiring. Chia’s Harvard degree is what it is, but his track record over the past 10-15 years is that of a man who can be talked into absolutely anything and talked out of very, very little. He is the doctor who thought that blood-letting would cure the patient. Well, now the patient is dead and the vultures that are the Boys on the Bus are circling the corpse.

    The real question is, with so many stupid people/ideas entrenched in the Oilers organization, how much change is really possible? I don’t mean this in a pejorative or threatening kind of way — and I do not wish ill on anyone, let’s be clear — but it is possible that we will have to wait for some of these people to die before something positive happens.

  41. Pescador says:

    pboy:
    AshetonisGod,

    On yesterday’s Oilers Now, Stauffer said that a full audit of the team would be made on the decisions that led here and the people making them. I can’t realistically see Chiarelli retaining his job if that actually occurs. With that said, I’ll be shocked if Chiarelli is fired and that goes to accountability. From the smallest Mom and Pop store to a multi national conglomerate, tone is set from the top. IMO, Nicholson, Lowe, MacT, Chiarelli, all of the pro scouts and amatuer scouts, K Gretzky, Coach Todd and his staff should all be gone but I just can’t see it happening.

    I read it as they need to perform a forensic audit just to *Figure Out* who is to blame.
    Good news, management is currently investigating its own actions.
    Turns out that ‘fan pressure’ is the culprit,

  42. godot10 says:

    pboy:
    AshetonisGod,

    On yesterday’s Oilers Now, Stauffer said that a full audit of the team would be made on the decisions that led here and the people making them. I can’t realistically see Chiarelli retaining his job if that actually occurs. With that said, I’ll be shocked if Chiarelli is fired and that goes to accountability. From the smallest Mom and Pop store to a multi national conglomerate, tone is set from the top. IMO, Nicholson, Lowe, MacT, Chiarelli, all of the pro scouts and amatuer scouts, K Gretzky, Coach Todd and his staff should all be gone but I just can’t see it happening.

    Chiarelli is not a dumb dude. He didn’t make either the Hall trade without Lowe and MacT and McLellan signing their agreement in blood. He probably has them on record pushing for the deal.

    Ditto with Lowe, MacT, Green on the Reinhart trade.

  43. Bos8 says:

    Chiarelli is a Harvard grad and the Boys finished high school, maybe.

    Ahem, MacT got a Masters by correspondence.

    I tend to side with Chiarelli.

    Wasn’t TMac hired before Chiarelli?

  44. AshetonisGod says:

    pboy,

    I agree with this. Katz made a stab in that direction, it has failed miserably with current personnel, now we wait to see if he’ll hold people accountable. This is a key test of the future of the organization. So many of the deals and bets were so obviously bad at the time that it defies belief.

    Dealt the 16th and 33rd in a historically deep draft for an AHL LD defenseman with no offensive potential when we had 4 LDs already (Klef, Sekera, Nurse, Davy)?

    Trading Eberle for Strome and $2.5MM cap space based in large part on a playoff sample size of 13 games, the belief that Strome had more O to give (ignoring the much large sample sizes of his 258 career games), and the belief that an offer sheet for Leon was coming. Then using the cap savings the next day to resign Russell for too much $$ and term and NMC, which destroys the fear of offer sheet argument (Matt Henderson pointed this out awhile ago).

    Making bets on Nurse and Benning this year, knowing that Sek was out after acknowledging on May 16 that the defense was not championship caliber “yet”. Watching the defense this year, I’d say its very far from championship caliber (due in part to TMac’s deployment no doubt).

    Betting on Cags (60 reg season games before this season), Slepy (52 games) and JP (28 games) to emerge as top 6 wingers. Counting on Lucic to bounce back after last season when his 5×5 numbers sank last year. This is a record of bad bets, not reasonable bets going bad in unanticipated ways.

    Sunil had a compelling piece up a few days ago about how the lack of analysis is killing the organization. I really hope Chia is gone, we get a competent GM who brings in quality scouts, quality analytics, and a new HC.

  45. godot10 says:

    frjohnk: We know that the special teams were crap this year, I hang that mostly on the coaching staff.I had mentioned at the beginning of the year that the Oilers in 11-12 ran a hot PP, the year after, opposingteams had studied and adapted to it and the Oilers PP came back down to Earth.I think the same thing happened with the Oilers PP from last year to the beginning of this year. Other teams adapted on how to defend it.When the PP had no success, TMac reverted to his blender and the PP just wandered throughout the year.

    You are wrong. Krueger has strong special teams also in 2012-13. Special teams and a supernova Hall was how he got to a pro-rated 77 point season, with a roster that makes McLellan’s roster this year look like an allstar team.

  46. AshetonisGod says:

    godot10,

    This could be the case. If so, they all need to go and Katz needs to set up a clear chain of command rather than relying on kitchen-cabinet style decision making.

  47. Yeti says:

    AshetonisGod:
    godot10,

    This could be the case. If so, they all need to go and Katz needs to set up a clear chain of command rather than relying on kitchen-cabinet style decision making.

    The trouble is that every indication points to Katz having purchased the team precisely to run it in a kitchen-cabinet style with his friends. The hockey-side of it is clearly as much an expensive toy as a cold and calculating business operation. Otherwise the current management structure would not exist. They may fire Chiarelli but it won’t lead to a deep organisational change, just a shift of the person in the hotseat.

  48. Bos8 says:

    In baseball, the players who become regulars come up and are successful, the League adapts. The most important step is the player has to adapt back.

    TMac has never gotten to Step Two. He don’t adapt back.

  49. AshetonisGod says:

    Yeti,

    That could be. I wonder what would be more enjoyable, sticking with what hasn’t worked or building a team that can compete for championships during Connor/Leon’s prime years. In the former scenario, you’re on good terms with the OBC. Under the latter, you make a lot more money with deep playoff runs and, if the team wins a cup or 3, you’re lionized by the best hockey fans in the world (until you sell off Connor).

  50. pboy says:

    AshetonisGod,

    As I see it, Katz doesn’t prioritize what happens on ice over the other parts of the EIG and that’s how the last 12 years has been allowed to happen. Okay, the team is losing season after season after season BUT we have built a new arena, our fingers are in every pie downtown for the redevelopment of the inner city core and we are branching out into other revenue streams. On top of that, Katz has gotten into movie making, he bought the most expensive house in California and regardless of how the team does, he can hang out with Wayne, Paul, Kevin or whomever whenever he wants. Stauffer and Spector were talking about the lack of playoff revenue but how important is that really to a billionaire a couple of times over?

    When’s the last time he was physically in the building for a game? How many games does he go to in a season? You see owners like Bob Kraft with the Patriots or Tom Ricketts with the Cubs, they are at basically every home game. Sure, they care about making tons of money off of their teams but they are also there to win. They own their franchises but they are also fans. Fans don’t like to be there and watch losing teams, it’s pretty basic like that. Belichek is the most successful coach in NFL history but if they have 3 losing seasons in a row, is it guaranteed that he would get a 4th season to figure it out?

    Nothing changes here until Katz has a “come to Jesus moment” (that could be getting called out by the National Media for what’s happened here under his leadership or Connor demands a trade), he sells the team (why would he?) or his kids take over (I honestly, think that’s our best hope).

  51. ArmchairGM says:

    Bos8:
    ArmchairGM,

    So why didn’t he respond three months ago?

    He’s a bit behind, he’s just reading February’s posts now. How long did it take for him to put RNH with McDavid after LT called for it? So much reading, so little time… the good news is that by midsummer he should be caught up, as he’ll have a LOT of free time soon.

  52. dustrock says:

    The funniest thing about the Reinhart trade that doesn’t get mentioned much anymore is that we already had Marincin at that time, who had actually played in the NHL.

    He had Klefbom and Nurse who were obviously going to make the team and if he thought he had a chance at signing Sekera, why trade for Reinhart?

    I mean if he was RHD you could maybe scrape together an argument, but not only was he overpaying by a ridiculous amount, he was adding nothing of value!

  53. dustrock says:

    I have no idea how certain prospects make it and others don’t.

    Has Slepyshev not gotten a fair shake from McLellan, or has Sleppy flattered to deceive?

    Does McLellan get credit for developing Khaira and taking Draisaitl, or is that just on the players?

    Were Klefbom and Benning’s great years last year coming partially from the coaching staff or was that on the players? If the system stays the same and the player regresses, is that on the coach or the players?

    Is McLellan overplaying Lucic because he’s a vet or is he overplaying him because he knows he’s stuck with a $6m player for another 5 years and wants to get him going?

    It’s a tough call to fire McLellan I think, unless you get a chance at somebody like Quenneville.

    And as I’ve stated before, any new coach or GM coming into the Oilers organziation has to be thinking “is this going to damage my reputation? How does the Old Boys Club fit into everything?”

  54. Brantford Boy says:

    LT,

    Mine are McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, if Drai isn’t playing in Ottawa… seriously…
    Strome, Khaira, Puljujarvi. My No. 7 would also be Maroon on a reasonable contract… potentially having to expose another in expansion I think more eyes would be on Strome, we already know Slepyshev didn’t have much value ealier…

    I think Kassian should be able to increase his poor production from this year… not sure if that’s enough, perhaps too little too late… he didn’t make either of our 6…

  55. russ99 says:

    frjohnk: We know that the special teams were crap this year, I hang that mostly on the coaching staff.I had mentioned at the beginning of the year that the Oilers in 11-12 ran a hot PP, the year after, opposingteams had studied and adapted to it and the Oilers PP came back down to Earth.I think the same thing happened with the Oilers PP from last year to the beginning of this year. Other teams adapted on how to defend it.When the PP had no success, TMac reverted to his blender and the PP just wandered throughout the year.

    The PK? a novel could be written on that sucker.

    But the numbers I posted earlier are just 5 on 5.So they do not have any special teams attachment.
    While TMac has had questionable deployment at 5 on 5, or even 4 on 4 ( Lucic, WTF?) I do think it is more a roster issue that was basically compounded by injuries, some bad luck, one guy falling off a cliff and mostly too many players punching above their weight.

    From last year, we lost Maroon, Lucic and Eberle as top 6 forwards.We currently only have 3 top 6 forwards in RNH, McDavid and Drai.The bottom 6 is horribly expensive moving into next year.All the bets made by the GM that the young forwards would take a step forward blew up in his face.Many of these young players had oodles of playing time with McDavid, RNH and Drai but faceplanted

    Deployment of JP and his handling over the 2 years I blame on the coach and GM.

    Our D this year from last year,
    Sekera last year, was with Klefbom as our best Dman
    -Sekera because of injury was not even an NHL Dman this year
    -Klefbom because of injury and ??? took steps backward
    -Larsson, bascially see Klefbom
    -Nurse improved
    -Russell, while the save% magically did not reappear like most figured, I liked him better than most
    -Benning struggled at many points

    -no cover for injury to Sekera and a hope that Klefbom, Larsson and Nurse would all take a step forward.

    -Goaltending.If Talbot saved half of those first, second shots, his save % is closer to last year at 5 on 5.
    Gus was a bust last year, but it did not matter, as Talbot was close to elite.
    LB was a bust this year, Montayo, not much better, so there was 2 years in a row that back up goaltending did not provide cover.

    Pretty hard not to see issues with coaching and roster construction.

    While the system we play on the PP and PK are much to blame with our struggles, I’d think that also the lack of players to play at even an average NHL level in these systems is as much of a problem.

    Would three $1M mid-late signing free agent additions in camp at forward really have hurt things this year?

    Seems to me the GM got complacent, and complacency is death in pro sports. In most years that would be a firing offense, but keeping a guy who needs to rethink things but also has a cup ring seems a better option than Katz loading us up with more old boys resulting in more losing and McDavid wanting out.

  56. Bag of Pucks says:

    StixMalone: Unfortunately this is how most corporations work. All top heavy with people who really don’t know what they’re doing. The actual people that know what they’re doing and keep the corporation running don’t get recognized or promoted to a position they deserve and can succeed at……

    The only way this statement is remotely defensible is if the organization in question never actually promotes from within, but instead headhunt their top brass from other organizations.

    But this is actually the opposite of what the Oil have done with their promotion of the underqualified OBC to the executive suite. If what you’re saying was true, people like MacT and Lowe should’ve absolutely lit it up as GMs once they got the big promotion. This is why the Chiarelli hire was so widely celebrated at the time. It was the first time (Sather included) that the Oilers actually hired an experienced GM with a track record of success in other organizations.

    Your statement comes across as the meme of frustrated middle managers everywhere. And the reality is, the C suites present a completely different set of challenges most of which a lot of middle managers would be ill equipped to handle. A great example is Steve Jobs who is almost universally lauded as a visionary exec and was almost universally despised as an actual people and operations manager.

  57. CaptainObvious says:

    Bag of Pucks: The only way this statement is remotely defensible is if the organization in question never actually promotes from within, but instead headhunt their top brass from other organizations.

    But this is actually the opposite of what the Oil have done with their promotion of the underqualified OBC to the executive suite. If what you’re saying was true, people like MacT and Lowe should’ve absolutely lit it up as GMs once they got the big promotion. This is why the Chiarelli was so widely celebrated at the time. It was the first time (Sather included) that the Oilers actually hired an experienced GM with a track record of success in other organizations.

    Your statement comes across as the meme of frustrated middle managers everywhere. And the reality is, the C suites present a completely different set of challenges most of which a lot of middle managers would be ill equipped to handle. A great example is Steve Jobs who is almost universally lauded as a visionary exec and was almost universally despised as an actual people and operations manager.

    BINGO!

  58. Side says:

    Bag of Pucks:

    Your statement comes across as the meme of frustrated middle managers everywhere. And the reality is, the C suites present a completely different set of challenges most of which a lot of middle managers would be ill equipped to handle. A great example is Steve Jobs who is almost universally lauded as a visionary exec and was almost universally despised as an actual people and operations manager.

    Is Steve Jobs a good example though? Steve Jobs is a good example of someone who would suck as a manager and is a great executive, this is true. But while Jobs is considered to be a visionary executive in Apple, most executives in other companies are not visionaries. And they suck dealing with actual people and operations.

  59. Melman says:

    Yeti: The trouble is that every indication points to Katz having purchased the team precisely to run it in a kitchen-cabinet style with his friends. The hockey-side of it is clearly as much an expensive toy as a cold and calculating business operation. Otherwise the current management structure would not exist. They may fire Chiarelli but it won’t lead to a deep organisational change, just a shift of the person in the hotseat.

    You know what’s going to be funny? Reading all the articles and posts after Chiarelli gets fired and it’s announced that MacTavish is returning as GM, now with the benefit of 3 additional years of seasoning.

  60. Jethro Tull says:

    “He noted that their incompetence may be because the required skills are different, but not more difficult. For example, an excellent engineer may be a poor manager if he or she lacks the interpersonal skills necessary to lead a team.

    Rather than seeking to promote a talented “super-competent” junior employee, Peter suggested that an incompetent manager may set them up to fail or dismiss them because they are likely to “violate the first commandment of hierarchical life with incompetent leadership: the hierarchy must be preserved”

    From above articles.

  61. Bos8 says:

    My favorite Oiler comedy is Lucic on McDavid’s wing. Lucic doesn’t have a fast twitch muscle in his body. He skates slow, he thinks slow, he reacts slow. Well sure, put him with McDavid.

    Once upon a time there was a player named Gary Unger who got to play center with Anderson and Messier. He’d skate blue line to blue line and meet the two yahoos at center ice going the other way.

    I was reminded of that last night, by a buddy.

    Our whole section would be screaming “Wave Unger, Wave.”

    And then the “Rat” Linseman showed up….

  62. Bag of Pucks says:

    Side: Is Steve Jobs a good example though? Steve Jobs is a good example of someone who would suck as a manager and is a great executive, this is true. But while Jobs is considered to be a visionary executive in Apple, most executives in other companies are not visionaries. And they suck dealing with actual people and operations.

    I think the main issue here is the level of difficulty is increasing with each rung up the ladder, so with that in mind, pure odds extrapolation tells you that it’s going to be more difficult to find legitimate top performers at the highest levels. That is NOT a condemnation of the people doing the work however, as much as it is an acknowledgement of the difficulty of the remit.

    Even from just a simple time management pov, the demands on your top execs far exceed what most middle managers are expected to maintain. Being a CEO in most successful companies is a 24/7 commit,

    There’s very few chess grandmasters for a reason.

  63. russ99 says:

    Melman: You know what’s going to be funny?Reading all the articles and posts after Chiarelli gets fired and it’s announced that MacTavish is returning as GM, now with the benefit of 3 additional years of seasoning.

    You know it.

  64. pboy says:

    If Chia is fired into the sun, my money is on one of Walter Gretzky’s boys getting the gig.

  65. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    frjohnk,

    – You often make the most prescient observations: “From last year, we lost Maroon, Lucic and Eberle as top 6 forwards.”

    – This year was a scramble to be sure. In fairness though, we did have Lucic pre-Christmas playing at top-line winger 5×5 numbers, and we still had Maroon

    – But we were still out of it (got a whiff near Christmas)

    – Pool as a 3rd line winger and PP role would/is ideal deployment, and he kind of got shuffled around, but still scored reasoanbly well on 5×5

    – I’m putting together a comment on the organization as a whole. For sure Coach has to take some blame, as does Chia, as do the players, and we can attribute some to luck.

    – But to simply fire/replace/keep any or all of the coaching and Chia, without an understanding of how collectively the organization got to this and think that by firing the coach, in isolation by way of example, cures all, I think that is folly

    – The only thing consistent in this organization in the last 10 years is the omni-presence of Lowe, MacT, Howson and an OBC mentality, with a collection of Oiler alumni, that continues to grow

  66. Side says:

    Bag of Pucks: I think the main issue here is the level of difficulty is increasing with each rung up the ladder, so with that in mind, pure odds extrapolation tells you that it’s going to be more difficult to find legitimate top performers at the highest levels. That is NOT a condemnation of the people doing the work however, as much as it is an acknowledgement of the difficulty of the remit.

    Even from just a simple time management pov, the demands on your top execs far exceed what most middle managers are expected to maintain. Being a CEO in most successful companies is a 24/7 commit,

    There’s very few chess grandmasters for a reason.

    I agree with this for sure.

  67. StixMalone says:

    Bag of Pucks: The only way this statement is remotely defensible is if the organization in question never actually promotes from within, but instead headhunt their top brass from other organizations.

    But this is actually the opposite of what the Oil have done with their promotion of the underqualified OBC to the executive suite. If what you’re saying was true, people like MacT and Lowe should’ve absolutely lit it up as GMs once they got the big promotion. This is why the Chiarelli hire was so widely celebrated at the time. It was the first time (Sather included) that the Oilers actually hired an experienced GM with a track record of success in other organizations.

    Your statement comes across as the meme of frustrated middle managers everywhere. And the reality is, the C suites present a completely different set of challenges most of which a lot of middle managers would be ill equipped to handle. A great example is Steve Jobs who is almost universally lauded as a visionary exec and was almost universally despised as an actual people and operations manager.

    My point was a lot of “upper management” types, including outside hires, got there through plain old “bullshit;said a lot of right things etc” but really don’t have a clue….I’ve worked for these companies before and some are closed because of it.

  68. Dominoiler says:

    Just remembering how some of us felt like Taylor Hall was the Messier to go with our McD Great One.. he’s still maturing, still that young of a player, and coming into his own.. just watched the two goals for the devils on Sunday and those were two really good plays by Hall.. curious if any (how many) number 9 jerseys are bought over the course of these playoffs?..

  69. Bos8 says:

    StixMalone: My point was a lot of “upper management” types, including outside hires, got there through plain old “bullshit;said a lot of right things etc” but really don’t have a clue….I’ve worked for these companies before and some are closed because of it.

    Case in point, Eakins.

    The smartest man in the room hired a BS artist based on Toronto press clippings.

  70. Melman says:

    Dominoiler,

    Hall’s amazing season rubs salt in the wound every night he’s on the highlight package, so I’ve now decided to take comfort in being happy for him that he’ll finally get to play post-season. Lemons into lemonade…but it’s the unsweetened kind that you makes you wince and pucker.

  71. Fgary says:

    I agree with alot of the posters, the OBC is entrentched in this organization, and I fear even with the firing of chia and t-mac, nothing really will change, or worse revert to the same. As long as oiler fans are filling the building there is no real incentive for Katz to change his ways or those of the organization. The edmonton oilers were a great team once, they have a rich history, but it is time to move on, it has been celebrated and relished to the death. It is holding back this team. As a fan I would want to watch Mcdavid play every night if I could so I understand the fan support. But this team and its management do not deserve Mcdavid. The city does the fans do…but the team doesn’t. Yeah I said it, and it may take Connor wanting out for this whole thing to change, and even that may not do it.

  72. Bos8 says:

    Case of the predetermined outcome. Give Hall credit, he grew up and changed. Here, he was another victim of the Eakins stench.

  73. GMB3 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Wasn’t the OBC all about keeping high endnoffensive forwards and trying to draft the heavy hockey in rounds 2-7? Not sure how the blame should fall back on them.

    The OBC was brutal but they were drafting the Mitch Moroz player types in the second round instead of signing him to replace Hall.

    It’s nice that you see guys like Justin Bourne ripping Chia on twitter too now. Clearly we need to continue to let him make personnel decisions because he has done a bang up job.

  74. --hudson-- says:

    Todd’s pregame, it’s a good one.
    – What to expect from Keegan Lowe? (it has to be awkward to answer questions about one of the execs kids)
    – Why does he think Vegas has done so well? Todd goes back to the early season success they had. (The Oilers did have a softer schedule to start last season with more wins, so maybe there is something to it.)
    – It takes more than fast skaters to play fast, it includes clean execution, hockey IQ, work ethic…
    – Next week he’ll discuss if they have the ingredients to play fast next season. But first he also needs to take a look in the mirror and evaluate his approach. (some signs of accountability)

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th9z8RGTpyY
    ————————————————–
    Q: …I know you would have seen him in the preseason and probably film, but what do you expect from him and just how do you hope he gets into the flow tonight?
    A: Well, we expect him to bring his game, you know, he’s a solid defender, plays physical, fierce competitor really when it comes down to it, and bring that to the game tonight, enjoy the experience, obviously there’s a real rich history, you know, with his father playing here, and having the type of career he’s had. But Keegan’s… he’s making his own path and he’s gonna do that tonight here, and we’re excited about having him in the lineup.

    Q: Todd, just from an outside view, why has it worked so well with Vegas in your opinion? Why are the, kind of castoffs you can say, have kind of molded together and played so well this year in your opinion?
    A: Well I think first of all, I think that George and Kelly, and their staff did a tremendous job in assembling the team. It’s put together well, a lot of the pieces complement each other, Gerard’s done an excellent job of quickly formulating lines that clicked and worked, and winning your first game gives you a ton of confidence, and it just went from there. And they play the game extremely fast, they’re on top of you, they’re tenacious, and they’re after pucks all over the place. Tremendous goaltending and, you know, their leadership, I can’t speak for the room, but their leadership probably starts in the net and works its way out. And then the last thing is the castoff theory, sometimes you’ve got to… you’ve got to burr in a certain spot that motivates you, and you want to show the world that you weren’t a castoff, and that this group can put it together. Now that’s my opinion, you should ask them that question, because they put it together, and they made it work.

    Q: Todd, just back to Keegan real quick, what kind of reports were you getting from the American Hockey League, and what… how would you describe the game that Keegan brings?
    A: Like I said earlier, a tenacious, feisty, defending type game, you know, he is a warrior and gives everything he has every night, and right now he’s on the edge of being an American League player and an NHL player. He was that in Carolina, and he’s trying to push and break through that barrier. He’ll get these two games to have that opportunity and we’ll be able to evaluate him there. But, you know, he understands the game, he understands the approach to a game. I think… I’d like to hope and think that my son does, when you’re around the game like some of those father-son combinations are, you tend to take cues from people that are at the rink every day, and it’s a unique opportunity that not every player gets. So I think that Keegan has done that.

    Q: Todd, you mentioned Vegas plays fast, obviously everybody wants to play fast. Is it a system, is it having the players that play fast, the players that maybe buy into playing fast? Cos playing fast isn’t just who can skate fast.
    A: All of the above.
    Q: So, how do you, how do you instill that, and how do you get your team to play more fast?
    A: Well I want us to skate faster, so that’s natural, but that isn’t the be-all and end-all. A lot of times speed comes through puck movement, and passing, and doing things clean. So that includes a skill set, you have to be able to read, react, and anticipate. So that includes a hockey mind, or a hockey IQ, you have to have a work ethic that is acceptable, so you’ve got to work into position and be available so support exists, and if you have those things going on, you tend to play the game a little bit faster. So at some points during the year we missed those, we didn’t have them, at other segments we were. And every team ebbs and flows but, you know, I think we will still look at the pace that we play at as we move forward.

    Q: You had a lot of players with really not a whole bunch of NHL experience when you look at the roster at the start of the year. Do you feel that this group can play the fast pace that you want next year? Do they have enough of the right guys to play a fast pace?
    A: Well, we’ll evaluate that Sunday onwards. I’m not prepared to announce that right now, I think everybody has to look at their input into the season, and what the outcome was. And, you know, before I start talking about individuals or players, I’ve got to look in the mirror, and evaluate a certain individual, and that be me first. How we approach the game and the things we do. So I’m not going to begin to talk about players with two games left, we’ll do that when you’re all assembled, and ask those questions next week.

  75. StixMalone says:

    Coach Q is not available. He will be back behind the bench with Hawks next season. So we can put that out to pasture….

  76. Wilde says:

    Anyone mention the Quenneville Bowman announcement yet?

  77. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    AshetonisGod:
    pboy,

    Given that most of Chia’s bets have turned out poorly, it’s hard for me to imagine he gets to stay on.

    – In a vacuum I agree with this assessement. If during the “audit”, they determine that Chia alone called all the shots, then yes he is very vulnerable. Chia though: his #2 is MacT, who he didn’t hire. Howson, isn’t his hire. The coach, I don’t believe was his hire. Gary Fleming: I don’t believe was Chia’s hire.

    – I also think he had a mandate to trade Hall from the OBC. Griff, there was no scouting staff, and he had not mandate to draft in those rounds.

    – The problem with this team may be attributed to Chia’s moves if you so choose, but only the organization knows who did what/where/when/how

    – I bet this audit = lots of finger pointing. This finger pointing is because there are different factions, with different interests

    – The best thing that could happen would be all of MacT, Lowe, Howson leave “to persue other options”, and you assemble a top to bottom management structure, that may or may not include Chia or Coach or Staff.

  78. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    GMB3,

    – Yeah your not getting my point: firing Chia and or coach and blaming them soley for this ignores the reality of the duality that exists, and the presence and role of even poorer former coaches and GM’s that are still on the pay-roll and have allegiance to each other and the ear and love of the owner

    – Get a “better” GM than Chia, and a “better” coach , and keep the OBC = what could go wrong?

  79. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EC Standings using points % – expressed as “games over .500”

    Atlantic
    BOS 31
    TBY 30
    TOR 23

    Metropolitan
    WSH 23
    PIT 16
    CBJ 16

    Wildcard
    NJD 15
    PHI 14

    Out of playoffs
    FLA 11
    CAR 1
    NYR -3
    NYI -4
    DET -8
    MTL -11
    OTT -13
    BUF -18

    2nd, 3rd, 1st wildcard, 2nd wildcard are all Metro teams and where everyone finishes is still up for grabs. Fun stuff.

    FLA looks done. Stranger things have happened…..

    WC

    Central
    NSH 33
    WPG 30
    MIN 18

    Pacific
    VGK 29
    SJS 18
    ANA 17

    Wildcard
    LAK 16
    COL 13

    Out of playoffs
    STL 12
    DAL 10
    CGY 2
    CHI -4
    EDM -6
    VAN -10
    ARI -11

    Go COL!!

    Still might come down to Saturday’s STL at COL

    Lottery teams draft order and “games under/over .500” as per the standings today:

    1 BUF -18
    2 OTT -13
    3 ARI -11
    4 MTL -11
    5 VAN -10
    6 DET -8
    7 EDM -6
    8 NYI -4
    9 CHI -4
    10 NYR -3
    11 CAR 1
    12 CGY 2
    13 DAL 10
    14 FLA 11
    15 STL 12

    7th is looking very likely.

    EDM’s draft slot probabilities based on being 25th today:

    1st – 6.5
    2nd – 6.8
    3rd – 7.1

    20.4% chance of drafting top 3

    7th – 26.0
    8th – 39.5
    9th – 13.1
    10th – 1.0

    Probabilities as per Micah Blake McCurdy here: http://hockeyviz.com/txt/lotto5

  80. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: EDM’s draft slot probabilities based on being 25th today:

    1st – 6.5
    2nd – 6.8
    3rd – 7.1

    20.4% chance of drafting top 3

    7th – 26.0
    8th – 39.5
    9th – 13.1
    10th – 1.0

    Probabilities as per Micah Blake McCurdy here: http://hockeyviz.com/txt/lotto5

    It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside to know that this convoluted system was initiated because of the #1’s we got, then we still got Connor anyway.

  81. HT Joe says:

    –hudson–: Q: Todd, just from an outside view, why has it worked so well with Vegas in your opinion? Why are the, kind of castoffs you can say, have kind of molded together and played so well this year in your opinion?
    A: Well I think first of all, I think that George and Kelly, and their staff did a tremendous job in assembling the team. It’s put together well, a lot of the pieces complement each other, Gerard’s done an excellent job of quickly formulating lines that clicked and worked, and winning your first game gives you a ton of confidence, and it just went from there.

    Haha… I don’t get it Todd… didn’t the Oilers winning the first game of the season set up the Oilers for a disastrous season? Why when another team wins their first game, it builds their confidence and helps drive a strong season?

  82. Wilde says:

    Jethro Tull: It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside to know that this convoluted system was initiated because of the #1’s we got, then we still got Connor anyway.

    And now there’s a higher chance that we steal more elite talent despite being outside the bottom cluster.

    Oilers ownership and management commit the NHL’s supreme villainy.

  83. HT Joe says:

    frjohnk: Dellow had an article or tweet about a month ago that compared Oiler lines 2-3-4 and with other 2-3-4 lines throughout the league and collectively the Oilers lines 2-3-4 were 27th GF%. Woof, Woof!

    Do the Oiler lines 2-3-4 include the time that Draisatl was not on McDavid’s line? In other words, our lines 2-3-4, including draisatl ~ half the time are still 27th GF%? Yikes!

  84. --hudson-- says:

    Todd’s practice from yesterday was also pretty good. You get the sense he is comfortable in his position, he’s not a lame duck coach.
    – He has a good rapport with Matty. Mentions Sekera is out for the season and Auvitu is doubtful.
    – The schedule has been physically tiring and the disappointment has put stress on the group.
    – Talk of Leon’s improved faceoff ability.
    – Powerplay won’t see any changes. At the end of the season, the org needs to figure it out.
    – Talk about how Cam needs to get better, but the whole team in front needs to improve.
    – Talk about all of the first shot goals, but too many mistakes were made leading to them, the team needs to start stronger and impose their game on the other team more often.

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYU1cGk30-4
    ————————————————–
    Q: Okay I’ll ask the obligatory injury update on the…
    A: Not you, Matty… come on, who talked you into that question? Obviously we’re short a defenseman, we’ll be calling one up on an emergency basis, and he will play. So whoever that individual is, it’s coming… Sekera won’t play again this season, and Auvitu is doubtful.

    Q: What is wrong with Sekera? The same knee or is it something different?
    A: Same knee, minor injury, but not worth him playing or trying to fight through it, and obviously AV blocked a shot the other day and it’s not broken though.

    Q: {inaudible}
    A: A day off was important for our team, we’d played 10 games in 17 days, like everybody else in the league, and, you know what… our team was physically tired. I think we were a little bit emotionally spent, and that sounds strange for a team that’s out of the playoffs, but there’s been stress on the group, and I think it catches up… you know, the points and the effort are extremely important, in my opinion, that we give each other everything we have, and give the fans a deserving effort and deserving performance, but you know, there’s still that stress of the season, in the letdown of our performance, that can catch up with you. So, we’re fighting that right now, and you know, we’ll continue to push the team. We’ll prepare them the same way, but we want to keep pushing, understanding where we are.

    Q: Todd, Leon’s definitely improved in the faceoff circle this season. Just a thought on his growth on that aspect of his game.
    A: Well that’s a big part of the game – often they’re 60, you know, 50 to 60 faceoffs a night. Analytic people talk a lot about possessions, so do the coaches, and when you have a chance to have the puck to begin with, especially in, you know, outnumbered situations, power play, penalty kill, it works to your advantage. You know, the other day, I think we were in Calgary, and he took a number of faceoffs with the pulled goaltender and won every one of them. Unfortunately we didn’t capitalize, but that’s important. Our faceoffs were climbing during the year, they’ve fallen a little bit, I think Letestu had something to say with that as a righty, but we’ll continue to, as we move forward as an organization, and with these young centerman, try and work on it, and improve.

    Q: Todd, I know you’ve worked at trying to improve your powerplay, it just can’t get the results that you want from it, especially the last whatever games it is. You were frustrated with work ethic, then you went to just rotating the three lines. Is it just a summer reboot right now for your powerplay? Is what’s gonna need… if you look at bigger picture, what has to change for next year for the powerplay to start next year like it did this year?
    A: Well, we’ll, you know… we have six periods of hockey left, potentially seven eight based on obviously overtime results. We’re not reinventing the wheel or attempting to dramatically change things on our powerplay. We’ve given, over the past three weeks, just about every player that has suited up with our group, an opportunity at some point to perform… we’ve moved pieces around, we’ve moved our look around, and we haven’t been able to connect on anything. So at the end of the year, we’ll wipe things out, and we’ll start from scratch. We’ll poke and prod systematically what we’re doing, what other teams are having… what they’re doing to make them successful, and quite frankly we’ve done that throughout the year, so it’s not gonna be anything we don’t discover, and in the summer we’ll look at the pieces that we use, the pieces that we think we may need, and discuss all of that as an organization, and figure out where we’re going. Coming back our number will state zero, just like everybody else is on opening night, that’ll give us a psychological edge to be with everybody else, and then from there we’ve got a climb. But there’s work that needs to be done.

    Q: Todd we asked Cam Talbot who’s the real Cam Talbot – last year or this year? And he says, he’s sure it’s last year. How much of his game, he was not very happy with the overall game, has to do with Cam and how much does it have to do with your…
    A: Are you… you know that question is an organizational question… it’s an overlapping question. You zeroed in on the goaltender, I would ask the question of the organization, of the coaching staff, of the power play/penalty kill, the forwards, the dman. You know, you specifically went down to one position, but that question can paint everybody. As far as Cam goes, he was a tremendous last year, he was good this year. There’s a difference between being good and tremendous, and we’ve got to get him back to being tremendous. I felt in the second half of the season he was better. We’ve played him a lot down the stretch, which I believe is important for him, he plays better when he gets going, and you know, there’s some nights where lately, where it hasn’t gone quite as well for him as he would like. But you have to keep in mind that the group in front of him didn’t perform as well as they could. So I believe we have Cam Talbot somewhere in between the two seasons, as we do everybody else that’s painted with that question, and we’ve got to find that point, and we’ve got to push it forward, not let it fall backwards.

    Q: Your team gave up an inordinate amount of first shot of the game goals this year. When you stand back and look at that stat at the end of the year, you think about the goalie right away. What do you think about, when you think about that stat?
    A: Everybody… and you know, obviously they own that stat… you know first shot on goal… first shot on goal… but we can’t sit here and review all 11 of them or 10 or whatever it was. We’d have to go back and watch, but I’m guessing that there were four or five other players that were involved in a mistake or an error that led to that shot. Yes, you’d like to have your goaltender make that save and bail you out right off the bat, but it doesn’t always happen, and this year that got away on us, which you know, is an area that we have to improve on. Our starts, our ability to impose our game on another team, has to get better and that’s in every position.

  85. Alpine says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    The thing is, we have no idea if they OBC will ever be eliminated completely, so thus we probably need to have the best GM and coach possible to work within those confines. It’s not entirely Chia and McLellan’s fault but the two of them have the positions with the most responsibility.

    They are both perfectly capable of underachieving anyways. A few surprising first round exits, the reverse sweep, and missing the playoffs all happened under Todd in SJ. We all know Chia’s misfirings on trades in Boston and the erosion of their status as a contender started under him.

    So you’re right that canning both of them isn’t a magic fix, but replacing them with better options probably means marginal improvement that should further improve them along with better luck than this season. Simply relying on factors outside of Chia/Todd for the team to improve will likely end up with mediocre results as I’m not sure Chia or Todd will improve much when they have rarely done it in their respective careers.

  86. Wayne Kenov says:

    I find it funny that the powers that be granted us size because “that’s what the fans wanted”, yet they didn’t address, RW or RD in the offseason. Traded for Reinhart. Traded Hall and Eberle. Didn’t trade for a backup until it was 3 weeks too late. Blew their brains out on Lucic and Russell. Bet on several AHLers and a CHLer to fill 2 top six RW holes. And those are just the recent bets that the fans opposed.

    Size over speed is not the issue of this team, it was bleeding skill. People bitched about the loss of skill long before team speed became an issue. I cannot believe the jokers who run this team.

  87. Yeti says:

    Melman: You know what’s going to be funny?Reading all the articles and posts after Chiarelli gets fired and it’s announced that MacTavish is returning as GM, now with the benefit of 3 additional years of seasoning.

    I do fear this.

  88. judgedrude says:

    –hudson–,

    Wow, those comment from the coach:

    – I need faster players
    – I need more skilled players
    – I need players with a higher hockey IQ
    – I need the players to work harder

    That last one–the coach owns, but the first three are a desperate cry to the GM.

  89. pboy says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    No real arguments with what you said. That’s why until Katz gets a clue, everything is just rearranging the deck chairs.

  90. Georges says:

    Melman: You know what’s going to be funny?Reading all the articles and posts after Chiarelli gets fired and it’s announced that MacTavish is returning as GM, now with the benefit of 3 additional years of seasoning.

    Here I am thinking PC has the clout to let go of an HC who took his pre-season Finals favored roster to 20+ points out of the playoffs.

    Yeah, that’s one way to make a fire PC and keep the HC scenario work. TMac was a MacT and Nicholson hire after all. It would show where the real power lies in the org. And it would be a big radioactive waste sign for all potential GM hires down the road. So MacT would effectively be GM for life.

    I couldn’t picture how the org. could fire PC and keep the HC after a season like this. Now I can.

    Gross.

  91. Georges says:

    –hudson–,

    A: Well, we’ll evaluate that Sunday onwards. I’m not prepared to announce that right now, I think everybody has to look at their input into the season, and what the outcome was. And, you know, before I start talking about individuals or players, I’ve got to look in the mirror, and evaluate a certain individual, and that be me first. How we approach the game and the things we do. So I’m not going to begin to talk about players with two games left, we’ll do that when you’re all assembled, and ask those questions next week

    Next week? Wait, what…? Are you still gonna be in town next week?

    It’s OK, Georges. It’s OK. Maybe he’s finally going to take in the Mall and he invited his buddies in the media along. Yeah, that’s it. TMac, Matty, Jonesey, Specs… They’re going to assemble in the water park. That has to be it.

  92. godot10 says:

    judgedrude:
    –hudson–,

    Wow, those comment from the coach:

    – I need faster players
    – I need more skilled players
    – I need players with a higher hockey IQ
    – I need the players to work harder

    That last one–the coach owns, but the first three are a desperate cry to the GM.

    This is the coach who didn’t put an iota of effort into Justin Schultz and Nail Yakupov, and let the GM trade Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle. This coach also clearly like Zack Kassian better than Tyler Pitlick.

    Fortunately the wheels completely fell off the bus before the GM was able to move Nugent-Hopkins from McLellan’s outbox.

  93. Doug McLachlan says:

    With Coach Q staying on in Chicago I think that McLellan and Chiarelli avoid the axe.

    I can see them going out and adding to McLellan’s coaching staff specifically to bolster the special teams (fresh eyes and all) but that stability in messaging will be the watchword.

    I am not thrilled with this but part of Hall’s comments about his time in Edmonton (other than the mis-quoted parts about his not listening to the coaches) was noting the constant turnover in voices was an issue for him.

    Part of Quenville’s appeal, IMO, was that he had a track record of success in Chicago. Everyone else that is available (save perhaps Dan Bylsma, who I don’t think I hear anyone advocating for) hasn’t taken that final step.

    There is really one person who’s opinion matters on this point, McDavid. He won’t vocalize it publicly but if he’s not satisfied with the guy behind the bench than McLellan is gone. I’m not sure he is there.

    The Worlds will be interesting if Bill Peters goes and coaches team Canada. Peters apparently has an out clause in his Hurricaines contract. Does he have the cache to galvanize McDavid and company?

  94. --hudson-- says:

    Todd’s practice from yesterday was also pretty good. You get the sense he is comfortable in his position, he’s not a lame duck coach.
    – He has a good rapport with Matty. Mentions Sekera is out for the season and Auvitu is doubtful.
    – The schedule has been physically tiring and the disappointment has put stress on the group.
    – Talk of Leon’s improved faceoff ability.
    – Powerplay won’t see any changes in the last 2 games. The org needs to figure it out at the end of the season.
    – Talk about how Cam needs to get better, but the whole team in front needs to improve.
    – Talk about all of the first shot goals, but too many mistakes were made leading to them, the team needs to start stronger and impose their game on the other team more often.

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYU1cGk30-4
    ————————————————–
    Q: Okay I’ll ask the obligatory injury update on the…
    A: Not you, Matty… come on, who talked you into that question? Obviously we’re short a defenseman, we’ll be calling one up on an emergency basis, and he will play. So whoever that individual is, it’s coming… Sekera won’t play again this season, and Auvitu is doubtful.

    Q: What is wrong with Sekera? The same knee or is it something different?
    A: Same knee, minor injury, but not worth him playing or trying to fight through it, and obviously AV blocked a shot the other day and it’s not broken though.

    Q: {inaudible}
    A: A day off was important for our team, we’d played 10 games in 17 days, like everybody else in the league, and, you know what… our team was physically tired. I think we were a little bit emotionally spent, and that sounds strange for a team that’s out of the playoffs, but there’s been stress on the group, and I think it catches up… you know, the points and the effort are extremely important, in my opinion, that we give each other everything we have, and give the fans a deserving effort and deserving performance, but you know, there’s still that stress of the season, in the letdown of our performance, that can catch up with you. So, we’re fighting that right now, and you know, we’ll continue to push the team. We’ll prepare them the same way, but we want to keep pushing, understanding where we are.

    Q: Todd, Leon’s definitely improved in the faceoff circle this season. Just a thought on his growth on that aspect of his game.
    A: Well that’s a big part of the game – often they’re 60, you know, 50 to 60 faceoffs a night. Analytic people talk a lot about possessions, so do the coaches, and when you have a chance to have the puck to begin with, especially in, you know, outnumbered situations, power play, penalty kill, it works to your advantage. You know, the other day, I think we were in Calgary, and he took a number of faceoffs with the pulled goaltender and won every one of them. Unfortunately we didn’t capitalize, but that’s important. Our faceoffs were climbing during the year, they’ve fallen a little bit, I think Letestu had something to say with that as a righty, but we’ll continue to, as we move forward as an organization, and with these young centerman, try and work on it, and improve.

    Q: Todd, I know you’ve worked at trying to improve your powerplay, it just can’t get the results that you want from it, especially the last whatever games it is. You were frustrated with work ethic, then you went to just rotating the three lines. Is it just a summer reboot right now for your powerplay? Is what’s gonna need… if you look at bigger picture, what has to change for next year for the powerplay to start next year like it did this year?
    A: Well, we’ll, you know… we have six periods of hockey left, potentially seven eight based on obviously overtime results. We’re not reinventing the wheel or attempting to dramatically change things on our powerplay. We’ve given, over the past three weeks, just about every player that has suited up with our group, an opportunity at some point to perform… we’ve moved pieces around, we’ve moved our look around, and we haven’t been able to connect on anything. So at the end of the year, we’ll wipe things out, and we’ll start from scratch. We’ll poke and prod systematically what we’re doing, what other teams are having… what they’re doing to make them successful, and quite frankly we’ve done that throughout the year, so it’s not gonna be anything we don’t discover, and in the summer we’ll look at the pieces that we use, the pieces that we think we may need, and discuss all of that as an organization, and figure out where we’re going. Coming back our number will state zero, just like everybody else is on opening night, that’ll give us a psychological edge to be with everybody else, and then from there we’ve got a climb. But there’s work that needs to be done.

    Q: Todd we asked Cam Talbot who’s the real Cam Talbot – last year or this year? And he says, he’s sure it’s last year. How much of his game, he was not very happy with the overall game, has to do with Cam and how much does it have to do with your…
    A: Are you… you know that question is an organizational question… it’s an overlapping question. You zeroed in on the goaltender, I would ask the question of the organization, of the coaching staff, of the power play/penalty kill, the forwards, the dman. You know, you specifically went down to one position, but that question can paint everybody. As far as Cam goes, he was a tremendous last year, he was good this year. There’s a difference between being good and tremendous, and we’ve got to get him back to being tremendous. I felt in the second half of the season he was better. We’ve played him a lot down the stretch, which I believe is important for him, he plays better when he gets going, and you know, there’s some nights where lately, where it hasn’t gone quite as well for him as he would like. But you have to keep in mind that the group in front of him didn’t perform as well as they could. So I believe we have Cam Talbot somewhere in between the two seasons, as we do everybody else that’s painted with that question, and we’ve got to find that point, and we’ve got to push it forward, not let it fall backwards.

    Q: Your team gave up an inordinate amount of first shot of the game goals this year. When you stand back and look at that stat at the end of the year, you think about the goalie right away. What do you think about, when you think about that stat?
    A: Everybody… and you know, obviously they own that stat… you know first shot on goal… first shot on goal… but we can’t sit here and review all 11 of them or 10 or whatever it was. We’d have to go back and watch, but I’m guessing that there were four or five other players that were involved in a mistake or an error that led to that shot. Yes, you’d like to have your goaltender make that save and bail you out right off the bat, but it doesn’t always happen, and this year that got away on us, which you know, is an area that we have to improve on. Our starts, our ability to impose our game on another team, has to get better and that’s in every position.

  95. --hudson-- says:

    judgedrude:
    –hudson–,

    Wow, those comment from the coach:

    – I need faster players
    – I need more skilled players
    – I need players with a higher hockey IQ
    – I need the players to work harder

    That last one–the coach owns, but the first three are a desperate cry to the GM.

    The players owe it to themselves to work harder and execute more cleanly as well. Some of them are playing for their next contracts and if they perform well they’ll get another shot even if it’s not with the Oilers (like Pitlick or Oesterle).

    I could see the young players adopting a ‘woe is me’ attitude but ultimately it’s going to bite them.

  96. hunter1909 says:

    The most depressing Oilers season ever in social media living memory.

    Can a rudderless ship be repaired after getting hit by an iceberg?

  97. Georges says:

    Doug McLachlan,

    “Part of Quenville’s appeal, IMO, was that he had a track record of success in Chicago. Everyone else that is available (save perhaps Dan Bylsma, who I don’t think I hear anyone advocating for) hasn’t taken that final step.”

    I looked up who’s available and has taken the final step:

    Marc Crawford
    Bob Hartley
    Dan Bylsma
    Darryl Sutter

  98. Revolved says:

    Berglund wins over Lagesson again tonight, 6-1. Berglund +2 in 18:34 and Lagesson -2 in 20:53.

  99. hunter1909 says:

    –hudson–: The players owe it to themselves to work harder and execute more cleanly as well. Some of them are playing for their next contracts and if they perform well they’ll get another shot even if it’s not with the Oilers (like Pitlick or Oesterle).
    I could see the young players adopting a ‘woe is me’ attitude but ultimately it’s going to bite them.

    Always good to get your take on things, Kevin Lowe.

  100. hunter1909 says:

    Doug McLachlan: With Coach Q staying on in Chicago I think that McLellan and Chiarelli avoid the axe.
    I can see them going out and adding to McLellan’s coaching staff specifically to bolster the special teams (fresh eyes and all) but that stability in messaging will be the watchword.
    I am not thrilled with this but part of Hall’s comments about his time in Edmonton (other than the mis-quoted parts about his not listening to the coaches) was noting the constant turnover in voices was an issue for him.

    This micro-essay encapsulates perfectly the Oilers thinking: That is, react to past events like they’re just about to happen.

  101. hunter1909 says:

    –hudson–: Q: Todd, I know you’ve worked at trying to improve your powerplay

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  102. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Georges: Here I am thinking PC has the clout to let go of an HC who took his pre-season Finals favored roster to 20+ points out of the playoffs.

    – These are the management/coaches that are here that Chai had no input in hiring:
    1) MacT
    2) Howson
    3) Lowe
    4) Sutter
    5) Scott
    6) Carierre
    7) Bob Green
    8) Todd + Woodcroft + Johnson: all from SJ
    9) Wayne

    – These have been hire since after Chia arrived:
    1) the other Gretz (I’m guessing he was a consensus hire!)
    2) Coupal
    3) Coffey

    – So the #2 Hockey Ops, VP Player Personel, Assistant, Director of Player Development, VP Player Development, Draft, Head Coach, assistants, the other ear to Nicholson, the govenor: none of them did Chia have a say in their hire.

    – He did hire the other Gretz, who by all accounts has been solid, and the head of video, and maybe that other assistant coach (from UofA), and another OBC came in with no coaching experience at any professional level

    – Again, I’m working on a comment on all this, but I’m afraid this off-season is going to be more of the same. All the non-Chia management: they survived despite years of being awful

    – Firing Chia and/or coach, and bringing in new guys while keeping the rot: all former coaches and GM’s who were demonstrably worse than either Chia and Coach = rinse and repeat

    – It’s kind of amazing when you look at the org chart, and the lack of success most of them have had, and how many years they’ve been part of a loser organization: toiling away with impunity

    – For sure Chia has made mistakes. Look who has to rely on…He’s clearly not part of the group that has any say in management personel, nor does he have a role in bringing in talent from outside the organization.

    – I see no smart creative hires, or future head coach or GM’s on this list, based on track records or trajectory, or innovation

  103. Doug McLachlan says:

    Georges:
    Doug McLachlan,

    “Part of Quenville’s appeal, IMO, was that he had a track record of success in Chicago. Everyone else that is available (save perhaps Dan Bylsma, who I don’t think I hear anyone advocating for) hasn’t taken that final step.”

    I looked up who’s available and has taken the final step:

    Marc Crawford
    Bob Hartley
    Dan Bylsma
    Darryl Sutter

    Thanks for the list.

    Anyone really clamoring for any one of these names to take the reins?

  104. hunter1909 says:

    How about this: Oilers add Keegan Lowe, Craig Simpson’s son and Mark Messier’s sons and basically every member of the OBC with a son while hiring all OBC members to coach the team, along with a special cheering section of ex-Oiler players now fathers yelling and screaming next to the Oilers bench.

  105. godot10 says:

    Doug McLachlan: Thanks for the list.

    Anyone really clamoring for any one of these names to take the reins?

    #TeamToddNelson #TeamJacquesMartin

  106. hunter1909 says:

    I’d offer Glen Sather 10 million dollars a year to coach the McDavid Oilers.

  107. hunter1909 says:

    Am I the only one who’s finding reading about the Oilers becoming less and less interesting?

  108. hunter1909 says:

    hunter1909:
    I’d offer Glen Sather 10 million dollars a year to coach the McDavid Oilers.

    Slats could be in a nursing home and I’d still let him coach the team on Skype.

  109. HT Joe says:

    I’m not responding to anyone in particular, but over the last couple of days, some posters seemed to question if TMac was hired by Chiarelli or not.

    2015-Apr-24
    Oilers hire Chia (one of many reports linked below to show the chronology)
    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/live-blog-edmonton-oilers-introduce-chiarelli-announce-major-changes-to-upper-management

    2015-May-19
    Oilers hire TMac
    https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2015/05/19/oilers-to-announce-todd-mclellan-as-new-head-coach.html

    The linked article goes on to say the following:
    “Chiarelli interviewed McLellan for the job recently in Prague, where McLellan was coaching Team Canada to a gold medal win at the world hockey championships.
    McLellan and Detroit’s Mike Babcock were considered the top two coaching candidates on the market, and Edmonton never asked permission to talk to Babcock.
    ‘I’ve been very impressed with (McLellan’s) teams over the years,’ said Chiarelli.”

    Am I missing something, or can we assume that TMac was obviously hired by Chia?

  110. HT Joe says:

    hunter1909:
    Am I the only one who’s finding reading about the Oilers becoming less and less interesting?

    Yes, but this is the first year I really actually have another team I’m cheering like hell for (go Devils!!). You win some, you lose some.

  111. Doug McLachlan says:

    Ok revisionist history thought experiment time.

    The horrible Reinhart deal has been beaten to death here a few times but before this deal went down the same pieces were offered to Boston for one Dougie Hamilton.

    Boston, being well-established pricks, said no we want Nurse added to the mix. Chia (and company) said screw you and Boston went on to take a lesser package from Calgary while the Oilers jumped on the live grenade known as Griffen Reinhart.

    In hindsight do you make the Boston deal?

    Do you trade out Darnell Nurse (age 20, 3 yr ELC just finished last year in SSM 33gp 10g 23s 33pts), the Oilers 2015 picks #16 (Islanders will pick Barzal) and #33 (Tampa will pick Mitchel Stephens) for 21 year-old RHD Dougie Hamilton (just completed his ELC and looking for an est. $6m/yr (72gp 10g 32a 43pts)?

  112. Georges says:

    Doug McLachlan,

    ummm… Sutter is a two-time winner. Made it to within one game once before.

    Nothing is certain. Talbot may not be Quick enough for that to happen again. And Sutter may be an extinct volcano.

    But he’s 4 seasons away from his last Cup win. In his last year, he managed to pull off 201 GA (6th best) with 53 games from Peter Budaj and 13 games from Jeff Zatkoff. Nice!

    Players never have to question whether Sutter knows about winning. He’s taken the final step… Twice. With a team with no Cup history or tradition of winning.

    It’s weird that he’s available one year out. Allow me to start the clamoring…

  113. godot10 says:

    HT Joe:
    I’m not responding to anyone in particular, but over the last couple of days, some posters seemed to question if TMac was hired by Chiarelli or not.

    2015-Apr-24
    Oilers hire Chia (one of many reports linked below to show the chronology)
    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/live-blog-edmonton-oilers-introduce-chiarelli-announce-major-changes-to-upper-management

    2015-May-19
    Oilers hire TMac
    https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2015/05/19/oilers-to-announce-todd-mclellan-as-new-head-coach.html

    The linked article goes on to say the following:
    “Chiarelli interviewed McLellan for the job recently in Prague, where McLellan was coaching Team Canada to a gold medal win at the world hockey championships.
    McLellan and Detroit’s Mike Babcock were considered the top two coaching candidates on the market, and Edmonton never asked permission to talk to Babcock.
    ‘I’ve been very impressed with (McLellan’s) teams over the years,’ said Chiarelli.”

    Am I missing something, or can we assume that TMac was obviously hired by Chia?

    MacTavish’s and McLellan’s son’s played hockey together. They hung out a lot.

  114. Scungilli Slushy says:

    The GMs job would be far easier if the coaches got the best out of the players. Other coaches do.

    When multiple players tank repeatedly changing players doesn’t help because it isn’t the problem. It hasn’t worked i the past for the Oilers.

  115. godot10 says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    Ok revisionist history thought experiment time.

    The horrible Reinhart deal has been beaten to death here a few times but before this deal went down the same pieces were offered to Boston for one Dougie Hamilton.

    Boston, being well-established pricks, said no we want Nurse added to the mix.Chia (and company) said screw you and Boston went on to take a lesser package from Calgary while the Oilers jumped on the live grenade known as Griffen Reinhart.

    In hindsight do you make the Boston deal?

    Do you trade out Darnell Nurse (age 20, 3 yr ELC just finished last year in SSM 33gp 10g 23s 33pts), the Oilers 2015 picks #16 (Islanders will pick Barzal) and #33 (Tampa will pick Mitchel Stephens) for 21 year-old RHD Dougie Hamilton (just completed his ELC and looking for an est. $6m/yr (72gp 10g 32a 43pts)?

    Hamilton would have been booed out of Edmonton by the media and the fans for being too soft already..

    That, aside. No. I wouldn’t have traded Nurse. I am a believer in Nurse. And I wouldn’t have made the Reinhart trade.

  116. Doug McLachlan says:

    godot10,

    In hindsight I don’t think anyone makes the Reinhart trade.

    Follow up question.

    If we don’t win the lottery and say have pick 8, would you package it with Russell (who presumably would agree to waive to return to Calgary) for Hamilton?

  117. hunter1909 says:

    HT Joe: Yes, but this is the first year I really actually have another team I’m cheering like hell for (go Devils!!).You win some, you lose some.

    Taylor Hall can win the Hart and I’ll cheer for him. Stupidest thing I’ve ever experienced as a hockey fan – seeing him traded for a single very very good but nowhere great defenceman.

  118. Doug McLachlan says:

    Georges,

    The press conferences would be a hoot but the difference between this year’s Kings and last year’s is amazing. I don’t know if that is something I would want to risk. Certainly would be on the same page as Chia about player deployment, I suppose.

    Is that a good thing?

  119. Georges says:

    HT Joe,

    “But to say that Lowe and MacTavish were not exactly on the same page as Nicholson when it comes to hockey matters would not be a stretch. When Nicholson was hired by Katz a year ago, he came to the Oilers expecting to have more say over hockey matters, but was apparently overruled by Lowe. That all changed last week, however, when Katz named Nicholson president of the Oilers Sports Group and gave him carte blanche to run the hockey department as he sees fit. And Nicholson wasted no time, acting immediately to both reach out to San Jose Sharks coach Todd McLellan and hire Chiarelli.”

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/is-peter-chiarelli-hiring-really-a-new-page-in-oilers-history-book

    “While Peter Chiarelli was the one who unveiled this organization’s latest “catch” to the masses, the duo of Bob Nicholson and Craig MacTavish had actually reached out to McLellan before the former Boston Bruins general manager was even brought on board.”

    https://thehockeywriters.com/mcdavid-mclellan-buys-oilers-another-year/

    (LT has a rule about two sources.)

  120. hunter1909 says:

    Re Yakupov:

    What was the point where the Oilers could no longer send him to the AHL?

    Re Lucic:

    If Hunter1909’s the Oilers head freaking coach – Lucic gets 4th line duty until he’s good enough to play on the 3rd line, etc.

    Re RNH:

    Oilers cannot afford to lose another good player, period.

    Re Chiarelli:

    NHL GM’s have no respect for this shadowy person. To paraphrase my Sicilian godfather “He needs to get clipped”.

    Re Mclellan:

    He’s stood by the worst assistant coaches I’ve seen since Bucky and Steve Smith. Sorry asshole, but go home and rot with your millions while we move the team forward.

  121. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Ribs:
    Pretty cool to see one of my logos (ANHC) up on the TSN site https://www.tsn.ca/radio/edmonton-1260/events/alberta-native-provincial-hockey-championships

    We’ve been full out getting everything ready for this tournament for the last month and I’m glad to see it’s finally here! If you’re in one of the six Edmonton rinks that this tournament is overtaking this weekend (over 250 teams playing), stop by one of the souvenir booths, and check out some of the neat stuff!

    Thats awesome Ribs.

    Well done and congratulations.

  122. HT Joe says:

    Georges,

    Thanks for that… I had assumed that *Nicholson hiring TMac* was always a rumour.
    (thanks also for the gentle reminder about the 2 sources… will keep that in mind in the future too)

    *Edited for improved clarity*

  123. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bling,

    If the Oilers spent as much time on the hiring process as they do on auditing and post-mortems, the team would be in a much better position.

    Excellent point.

    I bet they already have the next coach picked out.

    No interviews, just going after “their guy”

  124. hunter1909 says:

    I’ll assume Katz already has a “New Zealand Plan” in place for the upcoming world apocalypse. The Oilers certainly don’t appear to be anything resembling a priority for him.

    The problem is, what happens when New Zealand ends up riddled with a several hundred billionaires, each trying to reign supreme over everything they see?

    The Future: New Zealand, the last place on earth has several thousand black limos, along with tens of thousands of sunglass wearing goons…causing a severe sunglasses shortage.

  125. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Bling,

    If the Oilers spent as much time on the hiring process as they do on auditing and post-mortems, the team would be in a much better position.

    Excellent point.

    I bet they already have the next coach picked out.

    No interviews, just going after “their guy”

    LOL Yes but, isn’t this exactly how they manage their players?

    “Who’s the most ‘like us'”?

  126. OmJo says:

    digger50: I feel for LB

    Finally makes the NHL where his career comes to a grinding halt. Coach won’t play him. Painfully obvious he has no real purpose on the team.

    Coach is forced to play him due to Talbots injury and he is nowhere near ready mentally .

    Team comes out and public ally supports him.

    He is surprised with a Montoya trade, states he had no doubt idea.

    Play majority of minutes in Bakersfield “as if” he’s still in the teams plans.

    The team could have kept Montoya’s cost down to a fifth round pick simply by playing Montoya two games less, and allowing LB a shot to see where he’s at.

    He does get a call to back up one game.

    So a few mixed messages but overall there is zero chance he succeeds under Tmac, and almost zero chance with the Oil. He may have another shot somewhere else, but likely this is his last time in an NHL uniform and yeah, I feel for him.

    Thank you for this.

    The organization’s handling of Brossoit is baffling to say the least and it stems from Todd McLellan refusing to play anybody but Cam Talbot, night in and night out.

  127. commonfan29 says:

    Doug McLachlan: The horrible Reinhart deal has been beaten to death here a few times but before this deal went down the same pieces were offered to Boston for one Dougie Hamilton.
    Boston, being well-established pricks, said no we want Nurse added to the mix. Chia (and company) said screw you and Boston went on to take a lesser package from Calgary while the Oilers jumped on the live grenade known as Griffen Reinhart.
    In hindsight do you make the Boston deal?

    OR, and just hear me out on this, do you keep negotiating with the Bruins instead of telling them to screw off?

    This always kills me. They wanted more than his first offer, so he stopped taking their calls.

    I can see where the whole concept confused him though, since he always takes the first offer from agents in contract negotiations.

  128. OmJo says:

    CaptainObvious: He didnt play well.

    He didn’t play period, and then was handed the starting role when Talbot went down.

    He had 2 starts and 5 games played by November 24th.

    Hopefully Minnesota signs him in the off-season to back-up Dubnyk when we don’t qualify him.

  129. Georges says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    Georges,

    The press conferences would be a hoot but the difference between this year’s Kings and last year’s is amazing.I don’t know if that is something I would want to risk.Certainly would be on the same page as Chia about player deployment, I suppose.

    Is that a good thing?

    Coaches run out of time with any team. You don’t really know if the coach is good or bad but you know if his record with the team is good or bad. And record with the team is the signal that the league uses in deciding about coaches.

    Sutter didn’t make the playoffs in 2 of his last 3 seasons with LAK, hence his time there was done.

    The LAK org. made a decision to fire a coach who went 95, 102, 86 in his last 3 seasons with the club. 1 playoff appearance, no playoff series wins.

    In the 3 seasons prior to that, this same coach won 2 Cups and made it to the semi-finals in the year he didn’t win.

    Teams move on. Coaches move on. Records matter. Recent records matter more. Teams understand that. So do coaches.

    (And, yes, the press conferences would be a much-needed hoot!)

  130. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    hunter1909:
    Am I the only one who’s finding reading about the Oilers becoming less and less interesting?

    You are not alone.

    Round and round we go. Hockey’s answer to purgatory.

  131. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Fun fact:

    Peter’s father Frank still hold the NCAA record for goals/game in a NCAA career.

    155 goals in 81 games over 4 years for Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute from 51/52 to 54/55.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=12491

  132. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Georges,

    – MacT hired Coach. We know that Lowe is still involved in hockey ops: “So when you look to how we will operate in OEG, as everything comes up to myself I’m going to work with Kevin Lowe in a lot of different areas. I look at having Kevin help on the business side, help on the hockey side, ”

    – Sure fire the coach (again), and fire the GM (again), but keep the coach and GM from previous regime, who were both promoted.

    – It won’t happen, but this org would be so much better going forward without Low and MacT: they are the constants in the last decade: inept wherever we have clues…

  133. HT Joe says:

    commonfan29: This always kills me. They wanted more than his first offer, so he stopped taking their calls.
    I can see where the whole concept confused him though, since he always takes the first offer from agents in contract negotiations.

    I guess this is still a step up from having a GM expecting a player to pay cash when the return on said player was not good enough.
    Source #1: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/oilers-comrie-must-pay-for-trade-1.399739
    Source #2: https://thehockeywriters.com/that-time-2-5m-prevented-perry-from-being-an-oiler/

    The Oilers don’t really believe in fireable offences at the executive level, do they?

  134. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    The audit will see Chia’s wings clipped.
    TMc is going nowhere at this time. The powers that be love him. No such love exists for Chia.

    Round and round we go.

  135. OmJo says:

    pboy:
    AshetonisGod,

    As I see it, Katz doesn’t prioritize what happens on ice over the other parts of the EIG and that’s how the last 12 years has been allowed to happen. Okay, the team is losing season after season after season BUT we have built a new arena, our fingers are in every pie downtown for the redevelopment of the inner city core and we are branching out into other revenue streams. On top of that, Katz has gotten into movie making, he bought the most expensive house in California and regardless of how the team does, he can hang out with Wayne, Paul, Kevin or whomever whenever he wants. Stauffer and Spector were talking about the lack of playoff revenue but how important is that really to a billionaire a couple of times over?

    When’s the last time he was physically in the building for a game? How many games does he go to in a season? You see owners like Bob Kraft with the Patriots or Tom Ricketts with the Cubs, they are at basically every home game. Sure, they care about making tons of money off of their teams but they are also there to win. They own their franchises but they are also fans. Fans don’t like to be there and watch losing teams, it’s pretty basic like that. Belichek is the most successful coach in NFL history but if they have 3 losing seasons in a row, is it guaranteed that he would get a 4th season to figure it out?

    Nothing changes here until Katz has a “come to Jesus moment” (that could be getting called out by the National Media for what’s happened here under his leadership or Connor demands a trade), he sells the team (why would he?) or his kids take over (I honestly, think that’s our best hope).

    Excellent post.

    At the end of the day, until the teams losing starts hurting his wallet, he doesn’t have much incentive to drastically improve the team. That’s what I believe. He’s making billions on top of his billions from the team, and is collecting glory day Oilers like they’re real life hockey cards.

    Honestly, I think our best bet is Bobby Orr giving Katz a call and telling him that if McDavid isn’t in the playoffs within the next two seasons then he’s gone.

  136. AshetonisGod says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Agree 100%

  137. Scungilli Slushy says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    The audit will see Chia’s wings clipped.
    TMc is going nowhere at this time. The powers that be love him. No such love exists for Chia.

    Round and round we go.

    Like an actor that gets overexposed and has a career fade, Lowe has been out of the spotlight long enough for a comeback!

  138. HT Joe says:

    OmJo: Honestly, I think our best bet is Bobby Orr giving Katz a call and telling him that if McDavid isn’t in the playoffs within the next two seasons then he’s gone.

    #InOrrWeTrust

  139. OmJo says:

    ArmchairGM: He’s a bit behind, he’s just reading February’s posts now. How long did it take for him to put RNH with McDavid after LT called for it? So much reading, so little time… the good news is that by midsummer he should be caught up, as he’ll have a LOT of free time soon.

    So is that why he’s slow to adapt in games? Too busy reading posts from February? Lol.

    Let’s hope he listens to the Lowdown and gets to the January 24 podcast sometime this summer.

  140. CaptainObvious says:

    StixMalone:
    Coach Q is not available. He will be back behind the bench with Hawks next season. So we can put that out to pasture….

    From Scott Powers at the Athletic “Some fans wanted both gone. Some wanted Bowman gone. Some wanted Quenneville gone. Some believed both deserved more time……..Bowman has made mistakes in recent years in reshaping the Blackhawks’ roster. Some of those mistakes were understandable, some not. What matters now is that Bowman gets his next steps right. Quenneville can be handed some criticism over the power play’s struggles, his impatience with lines and pairings and some parts of his system” ……….. hmmmmm

    “the Blackhawks began to feel that the past few years as the prospect pipeline failed to produce players that could help the NHL club and reduce the responsibilities of the team’s core.

    That was especially seen in the defense in recent years. Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook shouldn’t be carrying as much weight as they are now. While the Blackhawks have found solid NHL defensemen through other avenues, including trades, free agency and overseas, what they’ve brought in mostly hasn’t been top-4 defenseman talent.

    The Blackhawks will have some cap space to address that issue this offseason, and it has to be a priority for them. They can’t go into next season believing this same defenseman group will provide different results. Sure, some of the defensemen could improve, but some will likely decline. It’s not a young group.”

    Sound familiar?

  141. Georges says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    The audit will see Chia’s wings clipped.
    TMc is going nowhere at this time. The powers that be love him. No such love exists for Chia.

    Round and round we go.

    Say It Ain’t So had a nice comment a couple of days ago on PC’s fingerprints being all over what’s happening this year in Boston. PC seems to have that drafting and development thing down. That’s more than half the battle, I think.

    I want to know what he got on the negotiations course at Harvard, though.

    Why is he sooo baaad at it?

  142. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Terrible news out of Chicago. Q would have been perfect if he’d come to the Oilers. I hope at least they turf the assistants.

  143. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Like an actor that gets overexposed and has a career fade, Lowe has been out of the spotlight long enough for a comeback!

    Remember when he said landing McDavid was all ‘going according to plan.’ That and he knows something about winning.

  144. OmJo says:

    GMB3: It’s nice that you see guys like Justin Bourne ripping Chia on twitter too now. Clearly we need to continue to let him make personnel decisions because he has done a bang up job.

    Totally read this as Jason Bourne and I was like wow you know you’re bad at your job when Matt Damon is taking shots at you.

  145. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Georges: Say It Ain’t So had a nice comment a couple of days ago on PC’s fingerprints being all over what’s happening this year in Boston. PC seems to have that drafting and development thing down. That’s more than half the battle, I think.

    I want to know what he got on the negotiations course at Harvard, though.

    Why is he sooo baaad at it?

    I saw it. There was an over attribution there. He had a part in drafting some key pieces, no doubt.

    But the same bugs that plagued him there have plagued him here: poor negotiating and cap management, especially with non core pieces.

    And trading away ‘immature’ young talent.

  146. CaptainObvious says:

    Oh Yeah….Almost forgot…..Scott Powers added..

    “(Detroit GM) McDonough is a loyal person who is extremely proud of the continuity he and chairman Rocky Wirtz have created throughout the organization over the past decade.”

  147. HT Joe says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Remember when he said landing McDavid was all ‘going according to plan.’ That and he knows something about winning.

    That quote “So I think I know a little bit about winning, if there’s ever a concern” is just so crazy.

    I’ve watched tv documentaries and read science journals, so I know a little bit about brain surgery… but as someone lacking even basic formal training in the medical field, you sure wouldn’t want me to perform your brain surgery.

  148. OmJo says:

    –hudson–: Q: So, how do you, how do you instill that, and how do you get your team to play more fast?
    A: Well I want us to skate faster, so that’s natural, but that isn’t the be-all and end-all. A lot of times speed comes through puck movement, and passing, and doing things clean. So that includes a skill set, you have to be able to read, react, and anticipate. So that includes a hockey mind, or a hockey IQ, you have to have a work ethic that is acceptable, so you’ve got to work into position and be available so support exists, and if you have those things going on, you tend to play the game a little bit faster. So at some points during the year we missed those, we didn’t have them, at other segments we were. And every team ebbs and flows but, you know, I think we will still look at the pace that we play at as we move forward.

    The first requirement for being able to play fast is being able to move fast, no?

    If it was mostly about intangibles then you could have an entire team of Mark Letestu’s with a backend of Kris Russell’s and win the cup year after year after year by being the “fastest” team in the league.

  149. Woogie63 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    The audit will see Chia’s wings clipped.
    TMc is going nowhere at this time. The powers that be love him. No such love exists for Chia.

    Round and round we go.

    This was not that long ago …

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtrzegOYOyY

  150. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – In a vacuum I agree with this assessement.If during the “audit”, they determine that Chia alone called all the shots, then yes he is very vulnerable.Chia though: his #2 is MacT, who he didn’t hire.Howson, isn’t his hire.The coach, I don’t believe was his hire. Gary Fleming: I don’t believe was Chia’s hire.

    – I also think he had a mandate to trade Hall from the OBC.Griff, there was no scouting staff, and he had not mandate to draft in those rounds.

    – The problem with this team may be attributed to Chia’s moves if you so choose, but only the organization knows who did what/where/when/how

    – I bet this audit = lots of finger pointing.This finger pointing is because there are different factions, with different interests

    – The best thing that could happen would be all of MacT, Lowe, Howson leave “to persue other options”, and you assemble a top to bottom management structure, that may or may not include Chia or Coach or Staff.

    I agree with all of this.

    The Buck still stops with him though, but I think you identified the rot of the core.

  151. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): I saw it. There was an over attribution there. He had a part in drafting some key pieces, no doubt.

    But the same bugs that plagued him there have plagued him here: poor negotiating and cap management, especially with non core pieces.

    And trading away ‘immature’ young talent.

    I guess if the team had a management structure of something like:

    Poile GM
    Chia AGM and head of amateur procurement
    Winnipeg scouting department: forwards
    Anaheim scouting department: defensemen
    Contract Negotiator: Don Corleone

    This team would be gold. Costs too much money, you say? Probably costs less than Lowe, MacT, Howson, Nicholson, Chia, Gretzky, Gretzky, Messier, and Coffey.

  152. OmJo says:

    judgedrude:
    –hudson–,

    Wow, those comment from the coach:

    – I need faster players
    – I need more skilled players
    – I need players with a higher hockey IQ
    – I need the players to work harder

    That last one–the coach owns, but the first three are a desperate cry to the GM.

    A desperate cry from a coach who prefers to play Lucic in the top 6 and PP1 over Puljujarvi.

    A desperate cry from a coach who prefers to play Cagguila over Slepyshev.

    A desperate cry from a coach who preferred to put Pouliot in the dog house rather than play him.

    There’s your speed and skill, coach.

  153. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Side: Is Steve Jobs a good example though? Steve Jobs is a good example of someone who would suck as a manager and is a great executive, this is true. But while Jobs is considered to be a visionary executive in Apple, most executives in other companies are not visionaries. And they suck dealing with actual people and operations.

    My feeling is that it is less about skill or vision and more about incentives being structured in a way that doesn’t promote the long term interest of companies. People are mostly willing to try to get the money closest to them, meaning bonuses etc. Not a ton of altruists out there. And they often get blindsided by the self interested.

  154. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10: Chiarelli is not a dumb dude.He didn’t make either the Hall trade without Lowe and MacT and McLellan signing their agreement in blood.He probably has them on record pushing for the deal.

    Ditto with Lowe, MacT, Green on the Reinhart trade.

    Wow.

    I heard he did *exactly* that from someone connected to the team.

    Did you hear that or just surmise it?

  155. CaptainObvious says:

    Lowetide

    Montreal mayor meeting with financial backers in negotiations to bring MLB Baseball back to Montreal.

  156. Scungilli Slushy says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Remember when he said landing McDavid was all ‘going according to plan.’ That and he knows something about winning.

    Ugghh.

  157. OmJo says:

    HT Joe: That quote “So I think I know a little bit about winning, if there’s ever a concern” is just so crazy.

    I’ve watched tv documentaries and read science journals, so I know a little bit about brain surgery… but as someone lacking even basic formal training in the medical field, you sure wouldn’t want me to perform your brain surgery.

    You should work for the Oilers medical staff. Perfectly qualified, they pay well and have really good benefits – if Katz views you as a human bobblehead, you’ll never get fired!

  158. Wayne Kenov says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Wow.

    I heard he did *exactly* that from someone connected to the team.

    Did you hear that or just surmise it?

    Should have learned from the Ricky Ray trade that new GMs need to be supervised.

  159. Ribs says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Thats awesome Ribs.

    Well done and congratulations.

    Thanks, WG!

  160. HT Joe says:

    OmJo: You should work for the Oilers medical staff. Perfectly qualified, they pay well and have really good benefits – if Katz views you as a human bobblehead, you’ll never get fired!

    Interviewer: So what is your medical experience? What can you bring to the table?
    Me: There’s only one other person in this room who has had more concussions than me, so I think I know a little bit about hockey injuries, if there’s ever a concern.

  161. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    To be clear.

    I actually think Kevin Lowe is a good hockey brain with some failing, but we all have those.

    When you look back on what he did, *given his motivation* (keep team competitive) he actually did a great job.

    The Pronger trade was highway robbery.

    It was Lowe who spearheaded the “we need elite forwards to win the Cup” and he was right.

    It was right to tank and get elite offensive forwards.

    The failing was hiring Tambellini and the drafting after the first round and not having a better plan, especially with development.

    They are sincerely clueless about development and I think Peter might fix that this summer.

    Then the new failing was pissing away all that offensive talent for a quick fix on D (I love Larsson) and tying to org to onerous and debilitating contracts like Lucic and Russell.

    All that said, from my understanding OBC was the driving force behind Hall being the sacrificial lamb to fix the Dcorps because of things not related to the playing of the game of hockey and exceptionally short memories.

  162. Scungilli Slushy says:

    CaptainObvious: From Scott Powers at the Athletic “Some fans wanted both gone. Some wanted Bowman gone. Some wanted Quenneville gone. Some believed both deserved more time……..Bowman has made mistakes in recent years in reshaping the Blackhawks’ roster. Some of those mistakes were understandable, some not. What matters now is that Bowman gets his next steps right. Quenneville can be handed some criticism over the power play’s struggles, his impatience with lines and pairings and some parts of his system” ……….. hmmmmm

    “the Blackhawks began to feel that the past few years as the prospect pipeline failed to produce players that could help the NHL club and reduce the responsibilities of the team’s core.

    That was especially seen in the defense in recent years. Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook shouldn’t be carrying as much weight as they are now. While the Blackhawks have found solid NHL defensemen through other avenues, including trades, free agency and overseas, what they’ve brought in mostly hasn’t been top-4 defenseman talent.

    The Blackhawks will have some cap space to address that issue this offseason, and it has to be a priority for them. They can’t go into next season believing this same defenseman group will provide different results. Sure, some of the defensemen could improve, but some will likely decline. It’s not a young group.”

    Sound familiar?

    If you look at the Leafs and Pens it makes me think there is a back and forth balance on the roster.

    Neither team has a great D Corp, but have been more successful than the Oilers, the Leafs now and the Pens with Cups.

    Right now I would say the forwards are causing most of the trouble followed or surpassed by goalering.

    I do think that a significant player at RD would be huuuuge, but the combo of very young core forwards, tweeners with stone hands and a lack of performing veteran support is the main problem. Based on how the two teams I mentioned are succeeding.

    The Oilers need more forwards that can show up game to game and have talent, but if it is Yama for example there needs to be vet cover. Guys that can play an NHL system in their own end and help the D by doing normal breakout things.

    And a goaler that can stop pucks well and some he shouldn’t.

  163. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    GMB3,

    – Yeah your not getting my point: firing Chia and or coach and blaming them soley for this ignores the reality of the duality that exists, and the presence and role of even poorer former coaches and GM’s that are still on the pay-roll and have allegiance to each other and the ear and love of the owner

    – Get a “better” GM than Chia, and a “better” coach , and keep the OBC = what could go wrong?

    Biggest hiring/firing mistake the org made since drafting Hall was firing Renney.

    He’s said they fired him because he wanted to slow play the kids (like ANA did with Getzlaf and Perry, who didn’t see top comp until they were 23/24 or so)

    The burning desire to recreate the BOTB blinded them as to the total uniqueness of their own situation and that fact that if you don’t have all of Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Anderson, Coffey, Lowe, Moog and Fuhr with a supporting cast Fogolin, Hagman, Weir, Huddy etc that it might not be a good idea to rely on kids to lead a team.

    They hired Lennart Petrell twice for fuck sakes!!!

  164. HT Joe says:

    Woodguy v2.0: All that said, from my understanding OBC was the driving force behind Hall being the sacrificial lamb to fix the Dcorps because of things not related to the playing of the game of hockey and exceptionally short memories.

    I hope there’s someone at the Oiler’s office whose position is secure enough for him / her to bray nonstop about what a great season Hall is having.

  165. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    To be clear.

    I actually think Kevin Lowe is a good hockey brain with some failing, but we all have those.

    When you look back on what he did, *given his motivation* (keep team competitive) he actually did a great job.

    The Pronger trade was highway robbery.

    It was Lowe who spearheaded the “we need elite forwards to win the Cup” and he was right.

    It was right to tank and get elite offensive forwards.

    The failing was hiring Tambellini and the drafting after the first round and not having a better plan, especially with development.

    They are sincerely clueless about development and I think Peter might fix that this summer.

    Then the new failing was pissing away all that offensive talent for a quick fix on D (I love Larsson) and tying to org to onerous and debilitating contracts like Lucic and Russell.

    All that said, from my understanding OBC was the driving force behind Hall being the sacrificial lamb to fix the Dcorps because of things not related to the playing of the game of hockey and exceptionally short memories.

    To me there has been so much MSM info from around NA that it is obvious like always players get in the bad books of the OBC and get moved post haste. Regardless of whether it makes sense.

    It seems to me like the impatience of a player wanting to win now, rather than the wisdom of a skilled manager.

  166. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Biggest hiring/firing mistake the org made since drafting Hall was firing Renney.

    He’s said they fired him because he wanted to slow play the kids (like ANA did with Getzlaf and Perry, who didn’t see top comp until they were 23/24 or so)

    The burning desire to recreate the BOTB blinded them as to the total uniqueness of their own situation and that fact that if you don’t have all of Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Anderson, Coffey, Lowe, Moog and Fuhr with a supporting cast Fogolin, Hagman, Weir, Huddy etc that it might not be a good idea to rely on kids to lead a team.

    They hired Lennart Petrell twice for fuck sakes!!!

    They hired Eager, Hordichuk and Barker in the same summer and Rob Tychkowski was effusive in his praise for “Tambo’s Summer” FFS.

    GAAAHHHH!!!!!

  167. judgedrude says:

    Georges:
    Doug McLachlan,

    I looked up who’s available and has taken the final step:

    Marc Crawford
    Bob Hartley
    Dan Bylsma
    Darryl Sutter

    I think that you’re missing someone:

    Craig MacTavish (with Paul Coffee as an assistant)

  168. HT Joe says:

    Woodguy v2.0: They hired Lennart Petrell twice for fuck sakes!!!

    Was Petrell actually good at the PK, or was the PK his only skill to speak of? If it’s the former, Chia may want to hire this guy a 3rd time. 😀

  169. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    To be clear.

    I actually think Kevin Lowe is a good hockey brain with some failing, but we all have those.

    When you look back on what he did, *given his motivation* (keep team competitive) he actually did a great job.

    The Pronger trade was highway robbery.

    It was Lowe who spearheaded the “we need elite forwards to win the Cup” and he was right.

    It was right to tank and get elite offensive forwards.

    The failing was hiring Tambellini and the drafting after the first round and not having a better plan, especially with development.

    They are sincerely clueless about development and I think Peter might fix that this summer.

    Then the new failing was pissing away all that offensive talent for a quick fix on D (I love Larsson) and tying to org to onerous and debilitating contracts like Lucic and Russell.

    All that said, from my understanding OBC was the driving force behind Hall being the sacrificial lamb to fix the Dcorps because of things not related to the playing of the game of hockey and exceptionally short memories.

    Woah. I don’t believe I have ever seen you say this about the Hall trade previously. Numerous times I have seen you criticize Chia for this. Did you come across new evidence?

  170. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Biggest hiring/firing mistake the org made since drafting Hall was firing Renney.

    He’s said they fired him because he wanted to slow play the kids (like ANA did with Getzlaf and Perry, who didn’t see top comp until they were 23/24 or so)

    The burning desire to recreate the BOTB blinded them as to the total uniqueness of their own situation and that fact that if you don’t have all of Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Anderson, Coffey, Lowe, Moog and Fuhr with a supporting cast Fogolin, Hagman, Weir, Huddy etc that it might not be a good idea to rely on kids to lead a team.

    They hired Lennart Petrell twice for fuck sakes!!!

    I really liked both Renney and Krueger. Seemed to have the right mentality and temperament for a young team that needed gentle guidance.

    Quinn (RIP) not so much. Eakins definitely not. Todd I thought would be better. But he has become more bitter/distant as the season has gone south. He probably played a role in the roster overhaul and does not like what he sees now.

  171. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    HT Joe: I hope there’s someone at the Oiler’s office whose position is secure enough for him / her to bray nonstop about what a great season Hall is having.

    They are acutely aware of what Hall is doing.

    The fact that he had two better seasons 5v5 with the Oilers isn’t lost on them either.

    The big push in his points in 5v4.

    Hall was never a feature player on EDM’s 5v4 and them mostly played him below the goal line with RNH on the right half boards and Eberle on the far post.

    Here’s Hall’s 5v4 history:

    Player Season P/60
    TAYLOR.HALL 2010-2011 3.41
    TAYLOR.HALL 2011-2012 6.46
    TAYLOR.HALL 2012-2013 5.92
    TAYLOR.HALL 2013-2014 4.40
    TAYLOR.HALL 2014-2015 2.38
    TAYLOR.HALL 2015-2016 3.28
    TAYLOR.HALL 2016-2017 4.81
    TAYLOR.HALL 2017-2018 10.31

    He’s running super duber uber hot, but Hynes designed a PP around his best player and look what happens.

    Top 20 5v4 Pts/60 in the last 10 years in the NHL (minimum 100 minutes on 5v4)

    Player Season P/60
    TAYLOR.HALL 2017-2018 10.31
    MIKE.RIBEIRO 2012-2013 9.21
    MORGAN.RIELLY 2017-2018 9.18
    MITCH.MARNER 2017-2018 8.95
    NICKLAS.BACKSTROM 2013-2014 8.91
    NIKITA.KUCHEROV 2017-2018 8.4
    DANIEL.SEDIN 2010-2011 8.33
    KYLE.PALMIERI 2017-2018 8.19
    BLAKE.WHEELER 2017-2018 8.11
    PHIL.KESSEL 2012-2013 7.88
    ALEX.OVECHKIN 2012-2013 7.84
    SCOTT.GOMEZ 2014-2015 7.83
    PAVEL.DATSYUK 2014-2015 7.81
    JACK.EICHEL 2016-2017 7.74
    CLAUDE.GIROUX 2014-2015 7.72
    DAVID.PASTRNAK 2016-2017 7.67
    JOSH.BAILEY 2017-2018 7.66
    NIKITA.KUCHEROV 2016-2017 7.63
    VICTOR.HEDMAN 2016-2017 7.63

  172. HT Joe says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He’s running super duber uber hot, but Hynes designed a PP around his best player and look what happens.

    So… coaching, it’s a thing? 🙂

  173. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    This is Hall’s magnum opus.
    I don’t see the year being repeatable in any way.

    But after his career year and possible Hart trophy he will go back to being a top 5 LW around a PPG. Only question is injuries.

    Still a bad trade.

  174. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Woah. I don’t believe I have ever seen you say this about the Hall trade previously. Numerous times I have seen you criticize Chia for this. Did you come across new evidence?

    No.

    The buck still stops with him.

  175. CaptainObvious says:

    Islanders up 2 to 1 over NYR half way through the game.

    Hoping for NYI win in overtime.

  176. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):
    Woodguy v2.0,

    This is Hall’s magnum opus.
    I don’t see the year being repeatable in any way.

    But after his career year and possible Hart trophy he will go back to being a top 5 LW around a PPG.Only question is injuries.

    Still a bad trade.

    There is no way on Gord’s Green Earth he repeats his 5v4 season.

    Will be fun to see what he achieves next year though.

    Will probably blow a knee and play 60 games.

  177. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    HT Joe: So… coaching, it’s a thing?

    PP set up and strategy is all coaching.

    Hall being touched by Gord this year helps.

  178. Ribs says:

    Woodguy v2.0: All that said, from my understanding OBC was the driving force behind Hall being the sacrificial lamb to fix the Dcorps because of things not related to the playing of the game of hockey and exceptionally short memories.

    Reminds me of that Hall/Whitney interview….

    The three then discussed Hall’s chirp of Glenn Anderson. The former Oilers great would come to Edmonton and party, Whitney said. At one party, Anderson loudly insisted that the only song allowed to be played was Lady Gaga’s Poker Face on repeat. When Hall scored his first game winner, Whitney said, the team was out at a bar drinking afterwards, and met up with Anderson, who had been drinking.

    As Whitney recalled it, “He comes up and he’s saying, ‘Hi, congrats on your first game winner. You only got to get 65 more and you can tie me.’ He’s the all-time leader in game-winning goals, whatever the number was. And Hallsy goes, ‘Oh yeah, congratulations on scoring the fourth goal in a 8-3 win in 1985 57 times.”

    Said Hall of the incident, “I’m pretty sure that Kevin Lowe called him and told him, ‘Hey, don’t go around the young guys any more.”

  179. OilClog says:

    Another TMac presser, another moment in time the coach puts all the blame on everyone else but himself.

    Coach, when you get scored on the 1st shot 16 times or whatever the real number is, that’s on you fella.

    Coach wants faster players so they can sit in the press box.
    Coach wants more skilled players so they can be traded for role players.
    Coach wants players with a higher hockey iq so they can be dumbed down.
    Coach needs his players compelt levels higher so he can avoid reality with his systems.

    If this coach would of stood up for Hall, he’d still fucking be here.

    Chia better release the tapes when he’s fired

  180. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    HT Joe: Was Petrell actually good at the PK, or was the PK his only skill to speak of?If it’s the former, Chia may want to hire this guy a 3rd time.

    Petrell’s Relative Goal Share (GF%) in the two (!!!) seasons he played for EDM

    Player Season Rel GF%
    LENNART.PETRELL 2011-2012 -19.2
    LENNART.PETRELL 2012-2013 -11.0

    LT has written a lot of amazing prose, but the best headline he ever wrote was this one:

    https://lowetide.ca/2012/06/19/oilers-sign-petrell-confuse-thousands/

  181. HT Joe says:

    Ribs: As Whitney recalled it, “He comes up and he’s saying, ‘Hi, congrats on your first game winner. You only got to get 65 more and you can tie me.’ He’s the all-time leader in game-winning goals, whatever the number was. And Hallsy goes, ‘Oh yeah, congratulations on scoring the fourth goal in a 8-3 win in 1985 57 times.”
    Said Hall of the incident, “I’m pretty sure that Kevin Lowe called him and told him, ‘Hey, don’t go around the young guys any more.”

    I like Hall even more after reading that story… thanks!

  182. HT Joe says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Petrell’s Relative Goal Share (GF%) in the two (!!!) seasons he played for EDM

    PlayerSeasonRel GF%
    LENNART.PETRELL2011-2012-19.2
    LENNART.PETRELL2012-2013-11.0

    LT has written a lot of amazing prose, but the best headline he ever wrote was this one:

    https://lowetide.ca/2012/06/19/oilers-sign-petrell-confuse-thousands/

    Thank you. I remember not really liking him, but couldn’t remember if it was just me disliking everything about the DOD.

  183. leadfarmer says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Terrible news out of Chicago. Q would have been perfect if he’d come to the Oilers. I hope at least they turf the assistants.

    It’s not his fault the Gm gave out some stupid contracts to Toews and Seabrook.
    Could you imagine this place if Chia traded Panarin for Saad?

  184. Mr DeBakey says:

    Woodguy v2.0: The burning desire to recreate the BOTB blinded them as to the total uniqueness of their own situation and that fact that if you don’t have all of Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Anderson, Coffey, Lowe, Moog and Fuhr with a supporting cast Fogolin, Hagman, Weir, Huddy etc that it might not be a good idea to rely on kids to lead a team.

    Someone should explain to/remind the OBC that the Oilers were finishing 6th from the bottom then too.
    The ridiculous success of those 80s teams has completely skewed the OBC’s vision of how drafting & Developing really works, I believe.

    = =

    Woodguy v2.0: They hired Lennart Petrell twice for fuck sakes!!!

    I still brood over them letting Hejda & Glencross walk.
    Two gifts from the Hockey Gawds left by the side of the road.

  185. OmJo says:

    HT Joe: Interviewer:So what is your medical experience?What can you bring to the table?
    Me:There’s only one other person in this room who has had more concussions than me, so I think I know a little bit about hockey injuries, if there’s ever a concern.

    You’re hired!

    —–

    2-1 Devil’s over the laughs

  186. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog:
    Another TMac presser, another moment in time the coach puts all the blame on everyone else but himself.

    The coach expressly talked about the first person that needs to be evaluated is himself – he absolutely implied he has culpability in how the season has gone.

    Amazing the spin some can and will put on things in the name of meeting an internal preferred narrative.

  187. HT Joe says:

    leadfarmer: Could you imagine this place if Chia traded Panarin for Saad?

    I was going to say we’ve already lived through “Eberle for Strome” but Eberle only has 26 more points than Strome (compared to the 45 point differential between Panarin and Saad). Ruh-roh.

  188. OriginalPouzar says:

    “And, you know, before I start talking about individuals or players, I’ve got to look in the mirror, and evaluate a certain individual, and that be me first. How we approach the game and the things we do. So I’m not going to begin to talk about players with two games left, we’ll do that when you’re all assembled, and ask those questions next week.”.

  189. Pretendergast says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Hey back off I’m jumping to conclusions, no need for your facts or quotes! 😉

  190. Confused says:

    Anyone seen Tim Heed play this year, why is SJS F***in around with him so much?

  191. Munny says:

    Let’s Go Oilers!

    *clap clap*

  192. Wayne Kenov says:

    While Lowe built that 06 team, he did it through wheeling and dealing, and a lot of blind luck. That team was better than it’s regular season record, but if you play that post season 100 times, you don’t get past DET, SJS, and ANA more than once with that roster. There were also a lot of bad trades like Guerin, Hamrlik, York, Weight, Higgins for Ninimaki (pick swap), Dvorek for Carter, Parise, Comrie, . He killed a few trades (Pronger, Peca), but made a hell of a lot of bad ones is my point. The return on the Pronger trade was almost all burned except for Eberle, who was subsequently burned.

    Some of the worst drafting ever occurred under his watch, whether it be Ninimaki, MAP, or Plante/Nash/Gagner. The team has consistently traded guys for dinkish reasons (Smyth, Hall, Souray,Perron,Lupul). No ability to evaluate the value of players, going back to the Burke fight over offer sheets and overpaying players. The Klefbom/Souray injury bs.

    Not all of it falls on Lowe’s watch directly, but it does seem like a pretty consistent standard is being applied in terms of the stupidity. I think some of this kind of gets forgotten because it took place in black and white, and we didn’t have the stats and internet to do much more than cheer. I couldn’t have told you in 02 the point totals of players we traded for example. That 06 team was the most fun I’ve ever had as an Oiler fan, but they were the Peyton Hillis of this franchise.

  193. Lowetide says:

    Wayne Kenov:
    While Lowe built that 06 team, he did it through wheeling and dealing, and a lot of blind luck. That team was better than it’s regular season record, but if you play that post season 100 times, you don’t get past DET, SJS, and ANA more than once with that roster.

    I don’t agree with this take. That Oilers team had challenges (power play, backup goalie) but also enormous strengths. Lowe did a splendid job on that team and it remains one of my favorite Oilers clubs.

  194. Gerta Rauss says:

    Does Cammalleri have a history of playing C..?

    Or is this just an Oilers deployment..?

  195. StixMalone says:

    Just thinking if Chia traded Keegan Lowe how would that go down with the OBC?

  196. leadfarmer says:

    Well I think I’ve seen enough Keegan Lowe

  197. Professor Q says:

    StixMalone:
    Just thinking if Chia traded Keegan Lowe how would that go down with the OBC?

    They’ve done it a few times before. Either the father quits and the son is traded or the son is traded and the father quits.

  198. Lowetide says:

    Ribs:
    Pretty cool to see one of my logos (ANHC) up on the TSN site https://www.tsn.ca/radio/edmonton-1260/events/alberta-native-provincial-hockey-championships

    We’ve been full out getting everything ready for this tournament for the last month and I’m glad to see it’s finally here! If you’re in one of the six Edmonton rinks that this tournament is overtaking this weekend (over 250 teams playing), stop by one of the souvenir booths, and check out some of the neat stuff!

    Outstanding.

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