Over my head

by Lowetide

The Edmonton Oilers gave home fans a fun game with lots of goals and a win at the end last night. The highlight: Three points by Connor McDavid (all brilliant) and the low light was defense so loose it reminded some of the free form jazz set performed by Spinal Tap at the Hollywood Bowl. In a tough season, that was a fun night for everyone but the coaches.

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MYSTERY TO ME, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in April 2016: 1-1-0, goal differential -1, two points
  • Oilers in April 2017: 1-1-0, goal differential -1, two points 
  • Oilers in April 2018: 1-1-0, goal differential -2, two points

Looks like April is going to start the same every year under Todd McLellan’s run as Oilers coach. Not much to choose one from another, although making the playoffs is a better way.

AFTER 81, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 31-43-7, goal differential -49 (69 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 46-26-9, goal differential +41 (101 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 35-40-6, goal differential -33 (76 points)

The won loss record is criminal but the goal differential is impossible. How on earth can a team ice a 106-point impact player and finish dash 33? What on earth are they doing when he’s at rest? Lordy.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM APRIL

  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: Vegas, Vancouver (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected results: 1-2-0, two points in three games
  • Overall actual results: 1-1-0, two points in two games

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

  • Nurse-Larsson went 18-9 in 17:40, shots 14-6, 2-1 GF. Were 9-3 in HD, McDavid’s line 3-2 HD, but 2-0 in GF. Went 8-7 against Pirri-Karlsson-Tuch. I think this pairing could work next season but prefer Klefbom with Larsson. Woodguy tells me that Nurse is the better match, perhaps I’ll warm to the idea. Pairing was exposed on the third goal, otherwise solid.
  • Russell-Bear were 13-12 in 15:34, 6-6 SF and 4-4 in HDSC. That was a goal, nice one too. Russell had a good passing evening, Bear looked sharp on several decisions but he’s awkward on that power-play back pass. I like Bear a lot but he needs more AHL time. Went 4-7 in five minutes against Pirri-Karlsson-Tuch.
  • Lowe-Benning were 11-16 in 10:43, 6-11 SF and 1-2 GF. Were 5-4 against Nosek-Linbderg-Reaves. I thought Lowe was nervous early (misstep on GA) but settled in. Benning’s goal is the reason you keep him around. You can be critical of Lowe (he was wrong place, right time a few times) but there was plenty to like. I’d be fine with him re-signing and remaining a recall option.
  • Cam Talbot stopped 30 of 33, .909. Made some big stops, got win No. 30.
  • NaturalStatTrick and NHL.com.

FORWARDS, LAST NIGHT

  • Khaira-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi played well, going 15-8 in 13:22. Were 9-5 in SC and 5-1 in HDSC’s, Puljujarvi getting two brilliant looks and setting up Leon on another glorious chance (Subban was good, and lucky). Leon was terrific in this game, his linemates both benefited and helped the performance.
  • Lucic-Strome-Caggiula were 9-7 in 9:37, 1-1 GF. Were 7-4 against Nosek-Linbderg-Reaves. Strome and Caggiula are small but had some chem. Caggiula had three HDSC, Lucic one, the big man needs to impact the offense more often.
  • Nuge-McDavid-Rattie were 13-18 in 12:48, 2-1 GF and 8-8 in shots. The trio was 7-5 in HDSC’s but there possession numbers are trailing the overall scoring success. I think Rattie has earned a contract. Ran 11-9 against Tatar-Haula-Neal, 2-0 GF.
  • Slepyshev-Cammalleri-Kassian were 6-10 in 9:46. They were 0-1 in GF but 4-4 in HDSC. I think all three men are in danger in terms of return (although Kassian is likely to be back). Between the other two, I expect Cammalleri has a better chance to return but that’s a guess.

No idea if the Oilers can get him signed in time for tomorrow night, but there are a bunch of AHL games to come (5) so we wait. Marody’s numbers in Michigan (40gp, 16-35-51) and NHLE (36.5) suggest he’s a solid prospect. Drake Caggiula had an NHLE of 44 coming out of UND, but he may have been zoomed a little by linemates (and he does have 20 points this season). Interesting prospect, he should help if he signs.

NUGE-MCDAVID-RATTIE

Interesting line. Corsica has them at 116 minutes, 112-121 Corsi 5×5 events (48.07), 13-7 GF (65 percent). I think you have to wait at least 200 minutes but the trend suggests this line is scoring well past expectations. Part of that is 97 for sure, but you don’t want the world’s best player on a line that is a possession drag. I do think both wingers have earned more time in the fall on McDavid’s line. Not certain Rattie will have an NHL career but he is taking advantage of a brilliant chance and credit to him. Nuge fits like a wonderful, expensive, ludicrously well-tailored glove.

TYLER BENSON

Benson is off to Bakersfield and should see some action before the end of the schedule. Kailer Yamamoto was playing hurt during Spokane’s series so his debut in the AHL will be delayed (and may not happen at all). Plenty of hope for both men as they begin pro careers in an organization with enormous needs at their positions.

DRAFT LOTTERY

Oilers aren’t locked in at No. 7, the club could move up a significant amount with a win Saturday (and losses in the tri-state area). At this point you’d like to get the best odds, if Edmonton ends up at the No. 7 spot they could still move down because of the lottery.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

We are live at United Cycle this morning, 10-noon, to celebrate an Edmonton treasure. How old were you the first time you hit United Cycle? We’ll help celebrate this morning. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. The Masters already has an outstanding leaderboard, NHL playoffs straight ahead.
  • Mark Zecchino, Golf Talk Canada. The Masters!
  • Matt Iwanyk, TSN1260. Can the Jays hang with the Yankees? Plus, should the Oilers sign Ty Rattie and bring him to camp as McDavid’s right-wing?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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frjohnk

Melvis:
What a gut churn. Literally. 14 dead. 3 critical.I know Humboldt well. My farm related tax guy resides there. I can’t begin to imagine what the families and friends are going through today.

I grew up not far from Humboldt, just less than an hour away. This tragedy is just absolutely terrible.

Melvis

What a gut churn. Literally. 14 dead. 3 critical. I know Humboldt well. My farm related tax guy resides there. I can’t begin to imagine what the families and friends are going through today.

meanashell11

unca miltie:
Terrible day in Saskatchewan. Nipawin is my hometown and a friend used to work for the Humboldt Broncos. Hard to even fathom what it will be like for the communities and the families.

Saw that this morning. Terrible tragedy.

meanashell11

knighttown:
A bit of chatter on the play of 97’s line by shot metrics so I thought I’d chime in…

97 gets less clean air than any other player I’ve seen in my time watching the NHL.Within 2 seconds of a change of possession even in the Oilers zone, the opposing team has a man skating side by side with McDavid.No one gets defended like that. The very best players get picked up during a neutral zone regroup but he gets picked up 200 feet from the other teams net.

In the past 10 weeks or so (since the games have become meaningless) McDavid has chosen to cheat very slightly for offense in that time period where possession might change hands.It’s about a 1/2 second head start.He is willing to let the other teams play unfold (rather than give his all to foil it) and he instantly jumps to offense.Sometimes the play is extremely successful and a goal against happens like in the Minnesota game and he looks “late”.Often times the play is sort of successful but the shot is stopped or blocked and he gets that 1/2 second head start on the other team leading, often times, to a scoring chance.Most often the play is semi-successful, he jumps for offense but the puck goes the wrong way and he then resets and settles into a defensive zone posture, usually as the F3 letting Nuge or Rattie be the F1 with down-low responsibilities.

To summarize:
– he’s absolutely cheating for offense
– I’d guarantee its state sanctioned; MacLellan has either freed him up to do it as a true hockey strategy OR as a kiss to a superstar who wants the Art Ross

I actually love it. I spent a lot of time during the Kesler playoffs last year thinking of what I’d do if I were the Oilers.McDavid was realllllly ineffective if you’ll recall.I even considered playing him in his own corner as a decoy and taking my chances 4-on-4.

I think this is pretty smart.They are essentially banking on shooting percentage; we think a McDavid led counter attack holds a better chance of being successful even from 180 feet than a Alex Tuch grade B chance.

I have noticed this as well. They are definitely cheating to help the Art Ross race!

I approve!

Woodguy v2.0

Bag of Pucks: Ah, should know better than to dive in mid thread. Rookie mistake.

All good

unca miltie

Terrible day in Saskatchewan. Nipawin is my hometown and a friend used to work for the Humboldt Broncos. Hard to even fathom what it will be like for the communities and the families.

kgo

Pescador,

I doubt Chia learned anything from being Canned in Boston, he didn’t have much time to reflect on the firing before being promoted to McDiety’s Puppetmaster….was it even a fortnight?

After singing his praises in 2017, I’ve all but lost faith in Chia, what a roller-coaster of emotions the past 36 months have been.

Chia has solidified a reputation of being a terrible negotiator, In trades and contract negotiations….this fact alone should get him canned….he’s bleeding value all over the place…death by a thousand cuts (and a few gashes)

Is there a better GM out there available? 100% But what are the odds that Bob and Katz have the ability to identify and subsequently acquire him or her?

Bag of Pucks

Woodguy v2.0: I was referring to the media blaming the best players for the failings of poorly constructed teams.

Ah, should know better than to dive in mid thread. Rookie mistake.

Gerta Rauss

Chicago lost tonight so it’s 4 teams jockeying for draft positions 7 thru 10 with each having 1 game left

It’s going to be close

Pescador

Scungilli Slushy: He’s greatly improved drafting and lower level signings. Team culture is better if not perfect. He has strengths. Like everyone in a high level position that didn’t come from Dad, aristocracy or family, or they couldn’t have reached the level.

100% drafting appears to have improved, however still a little early even for those drafted in 2015.
The cap situation alone is enough for me send him down the river.
Did he learn nothing from being shit canned?
Too many failed bets, no cap dollars available to try & fix it either.
After so much losing I have a hard time believing that the team culture is at an all time high.
If you believe that the Oilers can’t find a better GM then Chiarelli,
I respect your position

Gerta Rauss

I asked last night about Cammalleri playing C and if he had any previous experience- TMac answered in his presser last night

I’m ambivalent about bringing Cammalleri back next year but if he can fill in at all 3 positions and is paid as a 13/14 F I could be convinced

From the presser last night- h/t to Hudson for the transcription

Q: But he told me that, now that he’s not playing as many minutes as he was custom toward in his career, he actually feels more involved in the game when he plays center. I know it’s only been a short few games at center, but what have you seen maybe the difference in him? He was a center up until the NHL he told me.
A: You know we… it’s his mind and his ability to make tight, crafty passes, and when he’s in the middle he has those opportunities to run quick give and go’s, and you know, his release is something that he’s always been able to use. So I found that when he’s in the middle, he’s getting it from both sides, and he ca, you know, he can shoot the puck a little bit. He had a tremendous chance the other night in Calgary, Smith made a good save. So he’s been creating more for himself and for his line mates through the middle than he did earlier. So it’s nice to have him there.

Gerta Rauss

hunter1909: Oilers need a boardroom version of Gretzky to Coffey to Messier which will finally shake loose Lowe’s Dr. No metal handed grip on power.

What this team needs is Ursula Andress appearing from the sea

Scungilli Slushy

knighttown:
A bit of chatter on the play of 97’s line by shot metrics so I thought I’d chime in…

97 gets less clean air than any other player I’ve seen in my time watching the NHL.Within 2 seconds of a change of possession even in the Oilers zone, the opposing team has a man skating side by side with McDavid.No one gets defended like that. The very best players get picked up during a neutral zone regroup but he gets picked up 200 feet from the other teams net.

In the past 10 weeks or so (since the games have become meaningless) McDavid has chosen to cheat very slightly for offense in that time period where possession might change hands.It’s about a 1/2 second head start.He is willing to let the other teams play unfold (rather than give his all to foil it) and he instantly jumps to offense.Sometimes the play is extremely successful and a goal against happens like in the Minnesota game and he looks “late”.Often times the play is sort of successful but the shot is stopped or blocked and he gets that 1/2 second head start on the other team leading, often times, to a scoring chance.Most often the play is semi-successful, he jumps for offense but the puck goes the wrong way and he then resets and settles into a defensive zone posture, usually as the F3 letting Nuge or Rattie be the F1 with down-low responsibilities.

To summarize:
– he’s absolutely cheating for offense
– I’d guarantee its state sanctioned; MacLellan has either freed him up to do it as a true hockey strategy OR as a kiss to a superstar who wants the Art Ross

I actually love it. I spent a lot of time during the Kesler playoffs last year thinking of what I’d do if I were the Oilers.McDavid was realllllly ineffective if you’ll recall.I even considered playing him in his own corner as a decoy and taking my chances 4-on-4.

I think this is pretty smart.They are essentially banking on shooting percentage; we think a McDavid led counter attack holds a better chance of being successful even from 180 feet than a Alex Tuch grade B chance.

This is why he needs a supporting winger with skill. Someone to get the puck up out of the D zone or help the D do it. a corner man with a great stick in the O zone to keep play alive. He doesn’t need a one way type to finish – Connor takes care of the O.

Maroon was sort of that, but he’s too immobile and Connor ends up doing all the work. Maroon was ok defensively and on the boards – if he got to the play in time.

The issue with Rattie and anyone else weak in defensive skills and too slow is again Connor has to do the work – he’s not the prep cook he’s the chef. Nuge can be sous chef, they need the prep cook. With mad chopping skill and a sharp knife.

Scungilli Slushy

Pescador: Scung

He’s greatly improved drafting and lower level signings. Team culture is better if not perfect. He has strengths. Like everyone in a high level position that didn’t come from Dad, aristocracy or family, or they couldn’t have reached the level.

sliderule

Woodguy v2.0: We’re all awesome

So I have noticed

sliderule

hunter1909:
McDavid to:

Montreal Canadiens where he leads them back to another dynasty in no time at all…

Toronto Maple leafs where he essentially does the same thing…

New York, where he can overtake Messier in no time flat as the Rags go on to win 2-3 cups guaranteed…

Meanwhile the Edmonton Oilers receive a collection of draft picks, players, and prospects to keep the dream alive, lol

Don’t forget the 100 million in cash so the numero one can buy another playboy mansion.

Woodguy v2.0

sliderule: If you want to look back I suggested that way earlier
I posted that Larkin was lighting it up and Nuge a similar skater would do the.
same on wing with Connor

We’re all awesome

Glass

I’d like to see us pick up a 4th line C so that we can move Khaira into the top 6. Maybe Derek Ryan is an option? Also, it would be great if we can find ourselves a responsible middle-6 F who can be ‘insurance’ if Rattie or JP aren’t working out in the top 6. Names thrown around are Rieder and Vanek.

Nuge/McDavid/Rattie
//not convinced Rattie is a long-term option, but I think he’ll be solid, cheap option for now
Khaira/Draisaitl/JP
//JP better be getting regular top-6 minutes in the final year of his ELC. Mishandled imo.
Lucic/Strome/Rieder
//I expect Lucic to improve, but not to return to his ‘norm’.
Caggiula/Ryan/Kassian
//Kassian is a lock for 4RW and we need a 4C (imo). I think Caggiula is a fine 4th liner, others may disagree.

Slepyshev? If McLellan is returning (most likely… what other options are there?), I think we should cut our losses and let Slepy find success with another team. Based on usage, TMac doesn’t believe in Slepy. We need a proven RW… might as well wait for internal options?

I hope we draft the best D available… but if Wahlstrom is on the board it’s hard to pass on him.

Not sure where Aberg fits into this picture… extra F?

digger50

Any update on Condors game?

Comments on performances?

--hudson--

Interesting article on the Swedish national coach. Ten years ago, most Swedish teams just rolled 4 lines until the last 10 minutes of a game. That certainly changes the way you look at the young players boxcars at draft time.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/rikard-gronborg-nhls-first-european-head-coach-since-2001/

hunter1909

Btw if any of you lushes are interested in a fantastic new whisky…

Jura single malt scotch whisky…

‘Journey’

I know of one place only to buy it and I’m not telling anyone. It’s made by the Isle of Jura distillery people, and is sensational.

: )

hunter1909

McDavid to:

Montreal Canadiens where he leads them back to another dynasty in no time at all…

Toronto Maple leafs where he essentially does the same thing…

New York, where he can overtake Messier in no time flat as the Rags go on to win 2-3 cups guaranteed…

Meanwhile the Edmonton Oilers receive a collection of draft picks, players, and prospects to keep the dream alive, lol

hunter1909

Out of every imaginable fuck up that Kevin Lowe and his stooge partner in crime MacT have wreaked upon this franchise…

I’ll admit it: I’m starting to feel a sense of defeat as a fan.

Pescador

Scungilli Slushy: Maybe they can find someone who can make the mandated deals more favourable to the Oilers.

I think PC has strong ability, but it’s clearly not in making deals. And perhaps not in pro evaluation.

That has been the killer, terrible trades, contracts and UFA signings.

But aside from the epic failure of all these items,
He’s doing a bang up job

sliderule

Woodguy v2.0: That’s exactly why I suggested RNH as 1LW in the pre-season.

McDavid should be near the blue line and cheating for offense like mad.

Just like Gretzky did for most of his career.

He’s the most potent weapon on the team and his biggest weapon is his speed.

Playing to those strengths is smart.

If you want to look back I suggested that way earlier??
I posted that Larkin was lighting it up and Nuge a similar skater would do the.
same on wing with Connor

Woodguy v2.0

knighttown:
A bit of chatter on the play of 97’s line by shot metrics so I thought I’d chime in…

97 gets less clean air than any other player I’ve seen in my time watching the NHL.Within 2 seconds of a change of possession even in the Oilers zone, the opposing team has a man skating side by side with McDavid.No one gets defended like that. The very best players get picked up during a neutral zone regroup but he gets picked up 200 feet from the other teams net.

In the past 10 weeks or so (since the games have become meaningless) McDavid has chosen to cheat very slightly for offense in that time period where possession might change hands.It’s about a 1/2 second head start.He is willing to let the other teams play unfold (rather than give his all to foil it) and he instantly jumps to offense.Sometimes the play is extremely successful and a goal against happens like in the Minnesota game and he looks “late”.Often times the play is sort of successful but the shot is stopped or blocked and he gets that 1/2 second head start on the other team leading, often times, to a scoring chance.Most often the play is semi-successful, he jumps for offense but the puck goes the wrong way and he then resets and settles into a defensive zone posture, usually as the F3 letting Nuge or Rattie be the F1 with down-low responsibilities.

To summarize:
– he’s absolutely cheating for offense
– I’d guarantee its state sanctioned; MacLellan has either freed him up to do it as a true hockey strategy OR as a kiss to a superstar who wants the Art Ross

I actually love it. I spent a lot of time during the Kesler playoffs last year thinking of what I’d do if I were the Oilers.McDavid was realllllly ineffective if you’ll recall.I even considered playing him in his own corner as a decoy and taking my chances 4-on-4.

I think this is pretty smart.They are essentially banking on shooting percentage; we think a McDavid led counter attack holds a better chance of being successful even from 180 feet than a Alex Tuch grade B chance.

That’s exactly why I suggested RNH as 1LW in the pre-season.

McDavid should be near the blue line and cheating for offense like mad.

Just like Gretzky did for most of his career.

He’s the most potent weapon on the team and his biggest weapon is his speed.

Playing to those strengths is smart.

Scungilli Slushy

Woodguy v2.0: From the outside view Peter’s biggest negotiation flaw is that he seems to identify a lot with player’s agent and gives up a lot in terms of term, money and NMC.

I’m similar in that I’m a salesman to through and through and I appreciate good salesmanship from my vendors and don’t grind on price hard enough when negotiating.

To that end I’m usually the guy who starts new programs and finds and vets the potential vendors but I hand off the end of the price negotiation to my partner in Vancouver because he’s a stone killer when it comes down the end price negotiation.

Maybe Peter should find someone to take that from him.

I think he should.

Gret99zky

russ99: “You can’t do a freeform jazz exploration for a festival crowd.”

“If I told them once, I told them a hundred times, to put Spinal Tap first and Puppet Show last.”

Woodguy v2.0

Scungilli Slushy: Maybe they can find someone who can make the mandated deals more favourable to the Oilers.

I think PC has strong ability, but it’s clearly not in making deals. And perhaps not in pro evaluation.

That has been the killer, terrible trades, contracts and UFA signings.

From the outside view Peter’s biggest negotiation flaw is that he seems to identify a lot with player’s agent and gives up a lot in terms of term, money and NMC.

I’m similar in that I’m a salesman to through and through and I appreciate good salesmanship from my vendors and don’t grind on price hard enough when negotiating.

To that end I’m usually the guy who starts new programs and finds and vets the potential vendors but I hand off the end of the price negotiation to my partner in Vancouver because he’s a stone killer when it comes down the end price negotiation.

Maybe Peter should find someone to take that from him.

knighttown

A bit of chatter on the play of 97’s line by shot metrics so I thought I’d chime in…

97 gets less clean air than any other player I’ve seen in my time watching the NHL. Within 2 seconds of a change of possession even in the Oilers zone, the opposing team has a man skating side by side with McDavid. No one gets defended like that. The very best players get picked up during a neutral zone regroup but he gets picked up 200 feet from the other teams net.

In the past 10 weeks or so (since the games have become meaningless) McDavid has chosen to cheat very slightly for offense in that time period where possession might change hands. It’s about a 1/2 second head start. He is willing to let the other teams play unfold (rather than give his all to foil it) and he instantly jumps to offense. Sometimes the play is extremely successful and a goal against happens like in the Minnesota game and he looks “late”. Often times the play is sort of successful but the shot is stopped or blocked and he gets that 1/2 second head start on the other team leading, often times, to a scoring chance. Most often the play is semi-successful, he jumps for offense but the puck goes the wrong way and he then resets and settles into a defensive zone posture, usually as the F3 letting Nuge or Rattie be the F1 with down-low responsibilities.

To summarize:
– he’s absolutely cheating for offense
– I’d guarantee its state sanctioned; MacLellan has either freed him up to do it as a true hockey strategy OR as a kiss to a superstar who wants the Art Ross

I actually love it. I spent a lot of time during the Kesler playoffs last year thinking of what I’d do if I were the Oilers. McDavid was realllllly ineffective if you’ll recall. I even considered playing him in his own corner as a decoy and taking my chances 4-on-4.

I think this is pretty smart. They are essentially banking on shooting percentage; we think a McDavid led counter attack holds a better chance of being successful even from 180 feet than a Alex Tuch grade B chance.

hunter1909

Woodguy v2.0: That’s the question.

In my experience organizational culture comes from the top.

Katz, Lowe, and to some extent MacT and Howson are constants over the last 11 years.

How much change can Nicholson or more importantly (imo) Gretzky impart?

I think W. Gretzky could.

I hope he does.

Oilers need a boardroom version of Gretzky to Coffey to Messier which will finally shake loose Lowe’s Dr. No metal handed grip on power.

Chiarelli’s about as toxic a manager imaginable, especially if Hall wins the Hart trophy.

And then there’s Todd McL, with his fat cat contract that allows him to give a big “fuck you” to upper management as he keeps HIS buddies employed despite having criminally poor performance(powerplay goals for and against).

Woodguy v2.0

VOR:
It seems likely if Chiarelli actually used such a tool he is:

-wicked smart
-not an autonomous decision maker

Which raises the question – will firing Peter Chiarelli really change anything?

That’s the question.

In my experience organizational culture comes from the top.

Katz, Lowe, and to some extent MacT and Howson are constants over the last 11 years.

How much change can Nicholson or more importantly (imo) Gretzky impart?

I think W. Gretzky could.

I hope he does.

Scungilli Slushy

I have concerns with Rattie playing with McDavid. Rattie has skill and is a shooter, but it’s not enough to maximize Connor’s potential.

He really does need his Kurri, a winger that can take care of the dirty work so he can play his game, but that can think, keep up and finish enough. Rattie’s SH% doesn’t suggest he will keep finishing as he has been.

Kassian has obvious skill and some creativity, he was a first rounder after all. But he is far too inconsistent and doesn’t make consistently good luck decisions. It’s why he’s a bottom 6 and would likely struggle on D, if he can skate backwards well enough.

Another problem with Rattie is that he torpedoes possession. Cags does as well top 6. Cags apparently according to Willis is ok bottom 6. Rattie is not suitable for bottom 6, and this is why better teams haven’t used him – he’s not enough of an elite scorer to cover his play regaining the puck (defense) and isn’t fast or strong enough for other duties.

Ideally they find a strong 2 way shooter for Connor, doesn’t need to be elite because Connor doesn’t need scoring help. And a quality winger for Drai that can think and brings speed. JP seems obvious.

Munny

VOR,

Joint last-to-die Life policies, which are based on the Tontine principle, have never disappeared. They can be an important part of estate planning (as I’m sure you know). Conversely First-to-die policies are key to any business partnership–they’re used to buy out the dead partner’s family so you don’t end up in business with people who shouldn’t be in business.

Munny

maudite,

It was used just a few games back.

maudite

Seeing as game is meaningless:

I’d ice a first line of:

RNH Mcdavid Drai

Just to see what it could do for a game. It could be a nuclear weapon and I have no idea why this hasn’t been a combo we often see late in a game while down a goal in 3 years.

Scungilli Slushy

VOR:
It seems likely if Chiarelli actually used such a tool he is:

-wicked smart
-not an autonomous decision maker

Which raises the question – will firing Peter Chiarelli really change anything?

Maybe they can find someone who can make the mandated deals more favourable to the Oilers.

I think PC has strong ability, but it’s clearly not in making deals. And perhaps not in pro evaluation.

That has been the killer, terrible trades, contracts and UFA signings.

VOR

It seems likely if Chiarelli actually used such a tool he is:

-wicked smart
-not an autonomous decision maker

Which raises the question – will firing Peter Chiarelli really change anything?

VOR

In the Handbook of Decision making Paul Nieuwenberg talks about the sort of thing Woodguy was discussing yesterday. Person A knows if a decision turns out to be wrong heads will roll. They have other members of the decision making team share some of the responsibility for the decision by making them sign a letter where they acknowledge not just that they agree with the decision but that they had input into the decision.

Nieuwenberg is building on other work on fairness in decision making. Why should only one member of a team of decision makers go down in flames for a bad decisions?

These letters sometimes become contracts with nasty clauses. Like if Person A gets fired for a decision the team made all the other signatories have to resign their positions or be in contractual default. I am not sure how common this is in North America. Apparently in Europe it is increasingly common in a number of administrative situations.

They are seldom used when one person has unlimited autonomy to make whatever decision they see fit. They are used mostly when the visible decision maker is not autonomous by that decision maker to make sure they don’t get stabbed in the back.

Woodguy v2.0

Bag of Pucks: Talent is critical but it’s not the only factor. Professional sports history is littered with teams that were the most talented on paper and failed to win championships.

I was referring to the media blaming the best players for the failings of poorly constructed teams.

Woodguy v2.0

–hudson–: I think he’s referring to the pact you alluded to yesterday, the one where Chiarelli sought approval from the OBC and McLellan on a Hall trade.

Ah.

Got it.

VOR

commonfan29: Last one alive gets the Nazi treasure.

I think you maybe confusing a blood pact with the concept of Tontine popularized and maybe invented by Lorenzo de Tonti. Last one left alive gets all the income from the annuity until the time of their death when it is wrapped up. However, there were Tontines that were pure lotteries with the last one alive getting all the money. There was shall we say a moral hazard to this sort of tontine, especially as the numbers of members of the Tontine began to dwindle. Interestingly, Tontines, which are actually retirement plans, are making a comeback.

Biggus Dickus

Lowetide: NEVER go in against a mathematician when mirth is on the line.

If I were Dellow, I’d be calling there every day saying Taylor Hall and hanging up.

commonfan29

Woodguy v2.0: After Godot/Woodguy’s blood pact talk yesterday, no one should feel bad for McLellan.

Can you link me to this pact?

I have no idea what you mean.

Last one alive gets the Nazi treasure.

pboy

Bag of Pucks,

He’s talking about the Edmonton’s MSM propensity to blame the team’s failures on their best players rather than pointing out flawed rosters and poor coaching decisions. Always easier to pick on the kids rather than the GM’s and Head Coaches for most local media.

Not to speak for WG though….

Bling

Lowetide,

Haha.

Did you see Stauffer’s tweets? He’s roping fans into the blood pact!

WheatNOil is doing a good job shredding him to bits over that one.

Bob’s argument is a lot like saying, you asked for change, therefore we (management) had licence to do stupid things.

Nope, that is not how it works.

But then you remember. These people are idiots!