G82 2017-18: Canucks at Oilers

We reach the final chapter of the Oilers 2017-18 season, a bitter disappointment after a very hopeful start. In the days to come, management will have to pick up the pieces and begin the process of fixing the holes where the rain comes in. The formula of 2016-17 (McDavid scores, Talbot stops, everyone else hang on) folded and with it the playoff chances of this team. It is now the challenge of management to close the gap between McDavid ON and McDavid OFF. It is surely Everest.

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HOME PLATE, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in April 2016: 1-1-0, goal differential -1, two points
  • Oilers in April 2017: 1-1-0, goal differential -1, two points 
  • Oilers in April 2018: 1-1-0, goal differential -2, two points
  • April 9, 2016: Vancouver 4, Edmonton 3 (SO) (Source)
  • April 6, 2017: Edmonton 4, San Jose 2 (Source)

AFTER 81, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers 15-16: 31-43-7, goal differential -49 (69 points)
  • Oilers 16-17: 46-26-9, goal differential +41 (101 points)
  • Oilers 17-18: 35-40-6, goal differential -33 (76 points)
  • April 9, 2016: Vancouver 4, Edmonton 3 (SO) (Source)
  • April 9, 2017: Edmonton 5, Vancouver 2 (Source)

The 15-16 team finished with 70 points, last season’s team 103. This year’s model will finish anywhere from 76-78 and we’ll see if that’s enough to save jobs. I suspect we’ll see some movement in the coaching staff but that’s a guess and the most important roster work will go down in June.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM APRIL

  • On the road to: Minnesota (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: Vegas, Vancouver (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected results: 1-2-0, two points in three games
  • Overall actual results: 1-1-0, two points in two games

CURRENT 2018-19 50-MAN

  • RFA (not on the list above): Nick Ellis, Darnell Nurse, Matt Benning, Ben Betker, Drake Caggiula, Braden Christoffer, Ryan Strome, Kyle Platzer, Anton Slepyshev, Iiro Pakarinen, Patrick Russell. (11)
  • UFA (not on the list above): Laurent Brossoit, Mark Fayne, Yohann Auvitu, Keegan Lowe, Joey Laleggia, Dillon Simpson, Grayson Downing, Mike Cammalleri, Ty Rattie, Brian Ferlin. (10)
  • I believe this to be correct, let me know if something is missing.
  • Among RFA’s, locks to return are Darnell Nurse. I believe the Oilers will also sign Matt Benning, Drake Caggiula, Ryan Strome and Iiro Pakarinen. That’s five additional players, setting the 50-man at 34 men.
  • Among UFA’s, locks to return are Ty Rattie. I believe the Oilers will also sign Keegan Lowe and Mike Cammalleri. That gets us to 37 men.
  • I believe the priority is a big RH defender, that could be anyone from John Carlson to Tyson Barrie to Kris Letang to Matt Dumba. I don’t think this should be a priority, a healthy Klefbom would be a big help plus Sekera can play that position.
  • Wingers with scoring ability and forwards who can penalty kill are the main need, I would add a substantial backup ala Anders Nilsson.

Based on reports (Edmonton Prospect Watch, Vaughn Woodruff) Samorukov had an early ill-advised pinch and then settled in and played well. Tyler Benson had a dandy early chance (great save by the goalie) but was otherwise quiet. Josh Currie scored No. 20 on the year, Bakersfield lost 4-1 and would have to win out to make the second season.

HUMBOLDT BRONCOS

I wish there was something I could say. The cruelty of this story is everywhere, from the extreme youth to the number of people lost (14) in one prairie highway accident. Humboldt is about three hours from the place I spent most of my school years, an hour past Saskatoon. It’s about ten times the size of Maidstone but remains a small place. Great fishing, bird watching, a fabulous old train station last time I was there, everyone knows everyone else and they love their hockey team. Nicest people you want to meet. If you ever have your car break down on the highway, pray you’re near Humboldt.

Now that community will be known for a stunning tragedy. I’ve been getting dm’s and texts from people who knew some of the kids involved, and everyone is shattered. Just wrecked, today. The hockey community is spread far and wide, yet is very close. I know there are neighbours of mine who have connections to that bus and I further know no one slept worth a damn last night. Some tomorrow we’ll find out what happened, but in the end that’s all details and we are left to hug the stuffing out of the survivors and all families/billets/coaches/trainers/friends involved. We lost some of our kids last night, and it’s impossible to bear. I know everyone will want to pitch in, they’re going to need blood and there’s a gofundme set up online for these families.

We’re all sitting on that patch of highway today, head in hands and wondering what on earth went wrong, why this happened. I’m not on the air today and honestly it’s a relief. I have no idea what to say.

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  1. flyfish1168 says:

    A moment of silence for the fallen hockey players from Humbolt. Our hearts go out to you

  2. jtblack says:

    flyfish1168:
    A moment of silence for the fallen hockey players from Humbolt. Our hearts go out to you

    +1

  3. meanashell11 says:

    Hockey may be played across the globe but it still is a small community. From Nizhnekamsk to Humbolt, we will all feel this today. To anybody with kids, we all know that thought when we see them walk out the door. You just never know.

  4. jtblack says:

    Game 82:
    LT
    Lowetide
    Alan Mitchell
    Big Al
    Your Greatness

    Humbly sir, Thank You!! Your insight and commentary add a layer of enjoyment for me that I am Grateful for.

    You called out the problems early in the summer, werent quite bold enough to realize how bad it would be(few were), but you knew. You knew there was not enough talent. You knew there was not enough experience. You knew too many things would have to break the right way.

    You knew.

    Thanks for all your coverage this season.

    Jim Black

  5. sumaclab says:

    No amount words can convey the sadness all Canadians are feeling from coast to coast. Its all encompassing and hits to the very core of who we are as a people and as a nation. Profoundly sadden by this tragedy.

  6. Clarkenstein says:

    RIP Broncos.

  7. sumaclab says:

    As to UFAs. MC has no gas left in the tank. Rattie at 875000 on a two way. Klowe. Two way 650000. Me. I look at bringing in Tibias Reider this summer. Penalty killer. Speed on the wing. I also look at getting another proven penalty kill option. As much as anything if your going to spend money or assets this summer get a forward. We have pissed away enough assets on aquiring defense that has proven average at best. Draft and develop.Klefbom. Nurse. Bear. Jones. Faynes and Sekeras are anchors and have done little to improve the defense.

  8. Ribs says:

    We’re all sitting on that patch of highway today, head in hands and wondering what on earth went wrong, why this happened. I’m not on the air today and honestly it’s a relief. I have no idea what to say.

    I felt so bad for the poor guy on TSN last night who had to sputter something out and then say “There’s no way to transition from this”, and then move on to basketball highlights.

    What a horrible thing to have happened. Heavy hearts today.

  9. Ribs says:

    Here’s hoping the Oilers can end the season on a good note. Thrashing the Canucks for the Sedin’s last ever NHL game would be kinda nice. Eberle had the hat trick in last year’s year-ender against Vancouver, maybe someone can put on a show and equal that performance.

  10. MattyIce says:

    RIP, I remember grinding in AAA playing 4th line and 2nd PK unit, remembering the best part about going to other towns and getting my ass kicked in Alberta were those road trips with your best friends and family (your team). Its so sad things like this happen, it puts things into perspective and I pray for the town, families and team.

    On a side note, Lowetide do we got some draft talk today? I love my Oilers but I do want the loss with some a couple points for MC97. I’m selfish…

  11. dustrock says:

    Thanks for all your work on this blog day in, day out LT. I hope The Athletic is going well, I am certainly enjoying the content.

    This probably would have been the hardest year to be an Oilers fan in the last decade but for me, something died when Hall was traded and I distanced myself emotionally after that.

    It’s a shame this organization has let down the fans and let down the best player since Lemieux.

    I hope the league takes a long look at how they’ve allowed other teams to wipe out McDavid and maybe consider we pay to watch elite talent, not the great story about how a grinder earned a roster spot by clutching and grabbing.

    If this league wants to be taken seriously and actually attempt to be the equal of leagues like the NFL and NBA, they need to promote the heck out of their stars, allow some personality for those stars, and let the offence go.

    Anyway, preaching to the choir here.

    Hopefully LT will be able to pull out that balance photo one day.

  12. Material pocession says:

    Ugh. My wife’s family is from Humboldt. Amazing people live there and they are all devastated. A 15th person has died in hospital (the team’s top scorer). There are two more in critical condition right now and it doesn’t look good. The front of the bus was T-boned and the jack-knifed trailer hit the back of the bus, anhilating it. It’s hard to comprehend this tragedy. Hug your loved ones.

  13. unca miltie says:

    meanashell11:
    Hockey may be played across the globe but it still is a small community. From Nizhnekamsk to Humbolt, we will all feel this today. To anybody with kids, we all know that thought when we see them walk out the door. You just never know.

    Just found out one of the survivors is the son of a friend of mine. With junior hockey players from many places suspect lots of people on here have connections. Heartbroken

  14. OilersFuture says:

    Interesting I was looking at Austin Czarnik as a target for the Oilers. He’s was originally signed by Chiarelli and likely would play RW although he can also play center.

  15. jtblack says:

    Canucks have Gaudette, Demko, Pettersson, Juelovi & a high pick from this year. Still maybe 2 years away, but building a pipeline of Talent

  16. Lowetide says:

    MattyIce:
    RIP, I remember grinding in AAA playing 4th line and 2nd PK unit, remembering the best part about going to other towns and getting my ass kickedin Alberta were those road trips with your best friends and family (your team). Its so sad things like this happen, it puts things into perspective and I pray for the town, families and team.

    On a side note, Lowetide do we got some draft talk today? I love my Oilers but I do want the loss with some a couple points for MC97. I’m selfish…

    I am writing a draft piece for The Athletic today, don’t know if it gets published today or tomorrow.

  17. Lowetide says:

    JTBlack: Thanks, those are kind words. I thought the formula (McDavid scoring, Talbot stopping, the rest hanging on) would hold. Most of the auditions (Slepyshev aside) landed about where we might have thought, but there wasn’t enough by many and of course injuries devastated (97, 29, D). Frustrating year.

  18. Jaxon says:

    The news out of Saskatchewan is devastating. I grew up near LeRoy, about 25 minutes from Humboldt (they were our hockey rivals), and my parents now live there. My brother played Midget AA there. My dad was at their last home game the other night with my old PeeWee hockey coach. I tried out for the Broncos and the Hawks as a youngster. I remember well, Provincial hockey road trips around Saskatchewan in the dead of winter in some truly nasty weather. I’m not sure what factors contributed to this tragedy, but it is truly gut-wrenching and will be devastating for the town for many years. As Lowetide said, Humboldt is full of good people and they will get through this as best they can. So heartbroken for their parents and families. I can’t bear to imagine what they’re going through.

  19. trencan says:

    jtblack,

    They have more than this, their top 9 in near future may look like this:
    Dahlen-Pettersson-Lind
    Gajdovich -Horvath – Boeser
    Stuchel-Gaudette – Virtanen

    They have 2 future top goalies in Demko and DiPietro. Their priority on draft will be probably D (they have only Juolevi now) Based on their draft position, no doubt their target will be one of Dahlin, Boqvist Hughes.

  20. dustrock says:

    Friedman said in this week’s 31 Thoughts the Oilers will be bringing in more offence from their D. We were 27th in points from D, it’s been a problem for years.

    So a trade of the pick is a real possibility I think.

  21. Harpers Hair says:

    jtblack:
    Canucks have Gaudette, Demko, Pettersson, Juelovi & a high pick from this year.Still maybe 2 years away, but building a pipeline of Talent

    Also Jonathan Dahlen and Kole Lind. And with nearly $30M in cap space they should be able to fill in the roster with some decent vets. Benning will have to avoid a another Ericsson or Gudbranson debacle though.

  22. jtblack says:

    trencan:
    jtblack,

    They have more than this, their top 9 in near future may look like this:
    Dahlen-Pettersson-Lind
    Gajdovich -Horvath – Boeser
    Stuchel-Gaudette – Virtanen

    They have 2 future top goalies in Demko and DiPietro. Their priority on draft will be probably D (they have only Juolevi now) Based ontheir draft position, no doubt their target will be one of Dahlin, Boqvist Hughes.

    Yes very true. They have had excellent drafts in 2015 2016 & 2017. All years could produce 2 – 3 NHL players, with some impact players among them.

  23. jtblack says:

    Lowetide:
    JTBlack: Thanks, those are kind words. I thought the formula (McDavid scoring, Talbot stopping, the rest hanging on) would hold. Most of the auditions (Slepyshev aside) landed about where we might have thought, but there wasn’t enough by many and of course injuries devastated (97, 29, D). Frustrating year.

    I know we have 5 months to discuss, but I am curious if you think they can turn this around for next year. The same problems the team has today, will still be present.

    From Game 1 nxt yr, you should post CF%, GF% w/ McDavid ON & OFF.

    Should paint a picture for us if change is in the air. If we continue to have
    ON -55%+
    OFF – 43%-
    =TROUBLE

  24. jtblack says:

    Harpers Hair: Also Jonathan Dahlen and Kole Lind. And with nearly $30M in cap space they should be able to fill in the roster with some decent vets. Benning will have to avoid a another Ericsson or Gudbranson debacle though.

    $30 mil. I think they will offer Tavares a $12.5 × 7 yrs with the cap space.

  25. trencan says:

    jtblack,

    Yes, only Dahlen wasnt drafted by Canucks, he was part of trade. They noticed him, when they were scouting Pettersson in Sweden. They had together great chemistry in Allsvenskan. Canucks made smart move, they have another swedish double impact tandem.

  26. godot10 says:

    dustrock:
    Friedman said in this week’s 31 Thoughts the Oilers will be bringing in more offence from their D. We were 27th in points from D, it’s been a problem for years.

    So a trade of the pick is a real possibility I think.

    That is mostly power play points. When you have McDavid, Draisaitl, and Nugent-Hopkins, each capable of being the primary focus of a power play, do you want to waste resources and cap space on a power play defensemen?

    Corey Potter was good enough for a Krueger coached power play that was in the top quartile of the league.

    Fixing the coaching is more likely to solve the “problem”.

    What Friedman’s comment means is that McLellan is saying to management that the bad power play is not his fault. Accountability should start with the coach, but not apparently with this coach.

  27. Gret99zky says:

    dustrock:
    It’s a shame this organization has let down the fans and let down the best player since Lemieux.

    +1

  28. godot10 says:

    godot10: That is mostly power play points.When you have McDavid, Draisaitl, and Nugent-Hopkins, each capable of being the primary focus of a power play, do you want to waste resources and cap space on a power play defensemen?

    Corey Potter was good enough for a Krueger coached power play that was in the top quartile of the league.

    Fixing the coaching is more likely to solve the “problem”.

    What Friedman’s comment means is that McLellan is saying to management that the bad power play is not his fault. Accountability should start with the coach, but not apparently with this coach.

    i.e. The first player of the eighties dynasty that Sather chose NOT to pay was Coffey. Ruotsalainen would be good enough.

  29. Jaxon says:

    Lowetide,

    I don’t see Cooper Marody in your outline above. I believe his status is that he’s not signed, but the Oilers own his rights, so would you include him in the RFA list? Or do they lose his rights if he’s not signed by August?

  30. dustrock says:

    godot10: That is mostly power play points.When you have McDavid, Draisaitl, and Nugent-Hopkins, each capable of being the primary focus of a power play, do you want to waste resources and cap space on a power play defensemen?

    Corey Potter was good enough for a Krueger coached power play that was in the top quartile of the league.

    Fixing the coaching is more likely to solve the “problem”.

    What Friedman’s comment means is that McLellan is saying to management that the bad power play is not his fault. Accountability should start with the coach, but not apparently with this coach.

    I look forward to the Oilers having 164 points when they get their new coach.

    Anyway, the only D option on the PP I’ll ding McLellan for is not trying Auvitu enough.

    Otherwise none of Klefbom, Sekera, Larsson or Benning are much help.

  31. Bling says:

    godot10: That is mostly power play points.When you have McDavid, Draisaitl, and Nugent-Hopkins, each capable of being the primary focus of a power play, do you want to waste resources and cap space on a power play defensemen?

    Corey Potter was good enough for a Krueger coached power play that was in the top quartile of the league.

    Fixing the coaching is more likely to solve the “problem”.

    What Friedman’s comment means is that McLellan is saying to management that the bad power play is not his fault. Accountability should start with the coach, but not apparently with this coach.

    Quoted for truth.

    This kind of talk shows you how out of touch management/coaching is.

    They only have to look to last season to see that Klefbom had 38 points quarterbacking the PP. Or maybe they should check the Habs stat sheet and see that Petry has 41 this year. You know, Jeff Petry, the guy they traded away for seeds that could maybe yield magic beans.

    Another guy with 40 points? Colin Miller, who they could have acquired for a pick in the offseason.

    The problem the Oilers have is that there is no team that is as incompetent as they are.

    On the bright side, management says and does so many idiotic things so frequently that the audit should be short — Uncle Bob’s keeper will just have to review the latest news cycle.

  32. JimmyV1965 says:

    Harpers Hair: Also Jonathan Dahlen and Kole Lind. And with nearly $30M in cap space they should be able to fill in the roster with some decent vets. Benning will have to avoid a another Ericsson or Gudbranson debacle though.

    The Canucks are probably three years away. I would be using that cap space to accumulate more assets by taking on a couple bad contracts.

  33. JimmyV1965 says:

    dustrock: I look forward to the Oilers having 164 points when they get their new coach.

    Anyway, the only D option on the PP I’ll ding McLellan for is not trying Auvitu enough.

    Otherwise none of Klefbom, Sekera, Larsson or Benning are much help.

    It’s not only the PP, it’s the inability to transition the puck out of the dzone. The PP can fix itself without a big gun from the point, but 2RD is the biggest hole on this team. I think Benning is really starting to turn around his season, but we simply can’t start the new year with him slotted in as the 2RD.

  34. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: i.e. The first player of the eighties dynasty that Sather chose NOT to pay was Coffey.Ruotsalainen would be good enough.

    Coffey was traded because he was the first one to start grumbling about being paid. It had nothing to do with him as a player or his position.

  35. OilClog says:

    just had a CT scan on the brain yesterday due to being hit head on by a dump truck a few days ago, and inch to the left and that would be it. I haven’t been able to stop pacing around since the accident, now this bus accident I’m pacing around in tears thankful and feeling somewhat guilty. Donate to Humboldt if you can, hug everyone around you to the point they struggle to release your grasp then hug tighter.

  36. Pescador says:

    Jaxon:
    The news out of Saskatchewan is devastating. I grew up near LeRoy, about 25 minutes from Humboldt (they were our hockey rivals), and my parents now live there. My brother played Midget AA there. My dad was at their last home game the other night with my old PeeWee hockey coach. I tried out for the Broncos and the Hawks as a youngster. I remember well, Provincial hockey road trips around Saskatchewan in the dead of winter in some truly nasty weather. I’m not sure what factors contributed to this tragedy, but it is truly gut-wrenching and will be devastating for the town for many years. As Lowetide said, Humboldt is full of good people and they will get through this as best they can. So heartbroken for their parents and families. I can’t bear to imagine what they’re going through.

    Any Canadian who has been fortunate enough to play hockey in their youth has probably taken that same team bus ride.
    Our hearts are broken

  37. Lowetide says:

    Jaxon:
    Lowetide,

    I don’t see Cooper Marody in your outline above. I believe his status is that he’s not signed, but the Oilers own his rights, so would you include him in the RFA list? Or do they lose his rights if he’s not signed by August?

    They might lose his rights or he could go back for another year. Signing him now is clearly the priority.

  38. JimmyV1965 says:

    I can’t believe I’m saying this but I hope we lose tonight. If we draft seventh, we still have a decent shot at Wahlstrom.

  39. Confused says:

    Excellent article at the A by Provenzano, if accurate good insight into what appears to be the
    PC, TMac power struggle in terms on team formation and deployment.

  40. Lowetide says:

    jtblack: I know we have 5 months to discuss, but I am curious if you think they can turn this around for next year.The same problems the team has today, will still be present.

    From Game 1 nxt yr, you should post CF%, GF% w/ McDavid ON & OFF.

    Should paint a picture for us if change is in the air.If we continue to have
    ON -55%+
    OFF – 43%-
    =TROUBLE

    I think they have to convince the coaching staff and Leon Draisaitl plus Connor McDavid they need to play center on separate lines. I’m not as concerned with the defense, good health should help and I’d grab a better goalie.

    I expect at least two added wingers and depending on cost and quality, I think this team can make the playoffs next spring.

  41. OilClog says:

    The Oilers currently have enough options on D for the powerplay, the coaches just don’t have a clue on how to use the roster or translate their systems to today’s league.

    A new GM, well he’ll be already in house if TMac is staying on, Chia is one of a few odd cases where the new GM hire isn’t bringing in his guys with him, any good established GM or possible GM yet to get a chance isn’t going to accept coming in without bringing in his people. So if Chia is fired Todd better be right with him hand in hand or the Mcdavid heading out of Edmonton headline will be extremely loud this time next year.

  42. OilClog says:

    Lowetide: I think they have to convince the coaching staff and Leon Draisaitl plus Connor McDavid they need to play center on separate lines. I’m not as concerned with the defense, good health should help and I’d grab a better goalie.

    I expect at least two added wingers and depending on cost and quality, I think this team can make the playoffs next spring.

    Imo I think it’s just the coaching staff that needs to be convinced that. Not all wingers have sideburns coach

  43. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EC standings this morning via pts % – expressed as “games over .500”

    Atlantic
    TBY 31
    BOS 30
    TOR 22

    Metropolitan
    WSH 22
    PIT 18
    CBJ 16

    Wilcard
    NJD 16
    PHI 15

    Out of Playoffs
    FLA 12
    CAR 0
    NYI -3
    NYR -4
    DET -9
    MTL -10
    OTT -14
    BUF -19

    FLA not technically eliminated, but they need win both their games while PHI loses in regulation and make up 5 goals on PHI in the process to win the goal differential.

    If FLA wins 2 while PHI loses theirs in reg and makes up 4 goals, there will be a 83rd game for those team to see who gets in. That would be a riot to watch.

    WC standings this morning via pts % – expressed as “games over .500”

    Central
    NSH 34
    WPG 31
    MIN 18

    Pacific
    VGK 28
    SJS 19
    ANA 18

    Wildcard
    LAK 17
    STL 13

    Out of playoffs
    COL 12
    DAL 9
    CGY 1
    CHI -5
    EDM -5
    VAN -9
    ARI -11

    STL at COL tonight.

    If COL wins in regulation they’re in. Any other result and they’re out as STL holds the tie breakers.

    If the game is ties late in the 3rd we’ll see the rare “pull the goalie while the game is tied” move. Should be a fun game to watch.

    Draft position of all non-playoff teams as of today:

    1 BUF -19
    2 OTT -14
    3 ARI -11
    4 MTL -10
    5 DET -9
    6 VAN -9
    7 CHI -5
    8 EDM -5
    9 NYR -4
    10 NYI -3
    11 CAR 0
    12 CGY 1
    13 DAL 9
    14 COL 12
    15 FLA 12

    There could be a ton of movement here today.

    If NYR and NYI lose while EDM win, EDM would be slotted 10th with the lottery to come.

    If EDM loses and CHI wins, EDM would be slotted 7th.

    Slots 7-10 are all possible by the times the games end today.

    Its never easy to cheer for a loss so I’m just going to cheer for the PissCutter Twins to end their careers on a high note by toying with the EDM Dcorps like slightly stupid pet, similar to what they have done for their careers.

    Sail On PissCutters.

    You were the epitome of the “New NHL” type of player.

    Hard and grinding on the boards, but passed and scored with elan that few can achieve.

    I wish you were Oilers.

    *clap,clap*

  44. Pescador says:

    OilClog:
    The Oilers currently have enough options on D for the powerplay, the coaches just don’t have a clue on how to use the roster or translate their systems to today’s league.

    A new GM, well he’ll be already in house if TMac is staying on, Chia is one of a few odd cases where the new GM hire isn’t bringing in his guys with him, any good established GM or possible GM yet to get a chance isn’t going to accept coming in without bringing in his people. So if Chia is fired Todd better be right with him hand in hand or the Mcdavid heading out of Edmonton headline will be extremely loud this time next year.

    My prediction is that PC will not be fired,
    TMCL and his staff will be fired.
    Trying to look on the bright side;
    PC has no cap space to negotiate with any overpriced free agents,
    Small deals are what the Org needs this offseason & he has mostly been in positive territory.
    The Friedman item is bothersome as it likely means Klefbom or this years draft pick will be sent away.
    Read your earlier post,
    Glad you are still with us

  45. --hudson-- says:

    Pescador: My prediction is that PC will not be fired,
    TMCL and his staff will be fired.
    Trying to look on the bright side;
    PC has no cap space to negotiate with any overpriced free agents,
    Small deals are what the Org needs this offseason & he has mostly been in positive territory.
    The Friedman item is bothersome as it likely means Klefbom or this years draft pick will be sent away.
    Read your earlier post,
    Glad you are still with us

    How ironic would it be to attempt adding defensive scoring by trading your most offensively gifted defender? That definitely sounds like Oilers logic.

  46. HugThePost says:

    It’s April 7 and still almost -20 out; it feels like this bitter winter will never end.

    It’s 2018 and the Oilers still suck; it feels like we will never have a hometown NHL team we can be proud of again.

    I gave up on this year’s team back in November when the wheels were already falling off of this season. it makes me sad and angry at the same time that after all that has happened with the Oilers in the last 11 years, nothing really has changed.

  47. Bag of Pucks says:

    For me personally, this offseason is a defining moment for Katz and Nicholson. Gifted the best player of his generation, the people they’ve hired have yielded two poor seasons and one competitive year driven by unsustainable goaltending. If they stay status quo under the banner of organizational ‘stability’ and all the same jokers return, that tells me the Nicholson culture change has failed and this is still an organization that values loyalty over results.

    As the Leafs did with Lou under Shanahan, I would bring in an experienced assistant GM under Chiarelli. I would give him the remit of contract and cap management with the message to Pete being clear that we like what you’re doing with player procurement but you’re not the money guy anymore. Simply too many low value contracts being negotiated.

    And the coaching staff should be gone by Monday. Bill Peters. Bob Hartley. Dave Tippett. There are good candidates out there and the sooner you get them in place, the sooner they can start reviewing the film and setting expectations with the players for role descriptions and offseason training regimens.

    Then get to work ASAP on procuring a 1B calibre goalie that can push Talbot for the starting job.

    So effing sick of this mediocrity. Let’s see an actual plan for rapid improvement starting now.

  48. Todd Macallan says:

    Cooper Marody expected to sign, as per Twitter (George Sipple, looks like a sports writer in the Michigan area, about 8000 followers).

    Very good news if true.

  49. --hudson-- says:

    Todd’s very emotional this morning about the tragedy. No talk of the game tonight, but discusses the team bus and his experience in Swift Current.

    Source video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNuC-rK6RfE
    ————————————————–
    Q: …they, you know, you’ve been in Saskatchewan, you’ve ridden that bus, know that better than most people.
    A: I’m like… I’m sure most of us in here, and certainly everybody, and we talk about the hockey world, what about the real world, the other people that are out there. We’re all in shock, you know there’s really no other way to put it, and we’re a little bit on the outside looking in. I can’t imagine what those families are feeling and what they’re going through right now… and you know it just won’t be today, it’s it lasts a while, they need our support, they’re gonna need it as soon as now, and it’s gonna have to last for awhile. I was lucky enough to be part of a community that went through that in Swift Current, lived it and felt it. It goes on forever, so you know, I know I’m from Saskatoon, I know Saskatchewan people well, I know that Humboldt area really well, and they’re as strong as they come, but they’ll need our help.

    Q: Todd, when you play hockey in Saskatchewan the road trips are a little longer than in a lot of provinces, spend a lot of time in the bus, your whole career you’ve been on buses… can you just let us in a little bit on where the bus fits in hockey culture?
    A: It’s as important as the ice, it takes… you know you need basically three things to play the game, you need players, you need ice, officials, and a puck. But for all of that to happen, you’ve got to get all those people to the facilities, and when you’re traveling in large groups, you’re on a bus, or you’re on an airplane in our case, and the amount of hours that teams you know… and it’s not just hockey it’s baseball, basketball, you name it. Teams that spend time on buses… the records actually quite safe when you think about it. But there’s many nights, two, three, four o’clock in the morning, freezing cold, conditions aren’t that great, and the pushing through it, and some really good people that take care of those teams when they operate those vehicles, and it’s part of the fabric of our game is the bus.

    Q: You mentioned you were in Swift Current and what they went through. How does the community begin to put itself back together? Is that where the entire hockey world helps out?
    A: Well I would expand it beyond the hockey world. There’s a world out there, human beings that should care about this, not just because it’s a hockey element. It gets more exposure because I get to talk in front of people like you, but there’s a lot of people that have no interest, and could care less about hockey, that are affected by this, and they care and they have a chance to help the community heal. I know in Swift Current that was tough. [Todd almost breaks down here, takes a moment to compose himself.]

    Q: Any connections to the Humboldt team?
    A: My brother played there, my dad lived and worked there, I had numerous teammates in Saskatoon that played there. So yes and no.

    Q: Even as a player and a coach, Todd, the bus was always that safe sanctuary. Some of the best times for the players were on buses, I’m sure for you?
    A: Yeah it’s, you know, it’s the vehicle that was involved in this accident, but it’s also a vehicle that provides some camaraderie, and some unity amongst teams and teammates, and the stories that can be told on them, and the legends that live on those buses are some that should be told. Maybe Spec will write another book, but it’s you know, it’s the one, two, three incidences that happen that dampen the effect on it.

  50. €√¥£€^$ says:

    JimmyV1965: It’s not only the PP, it’s the inability to transition the puck out of the dzone. The PP can fix itself without a big gun from the point, but 2RD is the biggest hole on this team. I think Benning is really starting to turn around his season, but we simply can’t start the new year with him slotted in as the 2RD.

    Agreed, this has been the issue for years with this team. I went through an exercise regarding the touted candidates for the Hart. The only teams with a player mentioned that had less than a 50 point Dman was NJ but they have Butcher , Vatanen & Severson and Winnipeg who have Buf, Myers, Morrisey & Trouba.

    If McDavid had either of those team’s D Corps feeding him the puck or running the PP, he’d be in 130-140 point territory. If he had a stud Offensive dmen like the other candidates we would be talking playoffs.

  51. HugThePost says:

    LT:

    Thanks once again for another season of this wonderful touchstone you provide for us fans. take care

  52. Lowetide says:

    Via George Sipple from Detroit Free Press

    I’m still in Minnesota, but have already heard some @umichhockey players are moving on in the next few days. Senior Tony Calderone is expected to sign a two-way deal with @DallasStars and junior Cooper Marody is expected to sign with the @EdmontonOilers

  53. Wilde says:

    Lowetide,

    Great news. That was a real concern for a real while, there.

  54. Munny says:

    Lowetide,

    LT, do you think there’s any concern stemming from Philly passing on the opportunity to sign him, and slightly light scoring numbers?

  55. Ribs says:

    –hudson–,

    Thanks for transcribing these things, Hudson. I’m a lot more likely to read them than watch them, so it’s really nice!

  56. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Benning’s numbers are strong with Klef+Nurse, weak with Sek+Russell. Sekera needs to bounce back. Klefbom needs to be last year’s Klefbom. Russell is having a strong season IMO, would still replace him with a Demers if presented the opportunity.

    Need better coaching + a good backup. A 60P scoring winger would help, ala Eberle

  57. OilClog says:

    Pescador: My prediction is that PC will not be fired,
    TMCL and his staff will be fired.
    Trying to look on the bright side;
    PC has no cap space to negotiate with any overpriced free agents,
    Small deals are what the Org needs this offseason & he has mostly been in positive territory.
    The Friedman item is bothersome as it likely means Klefbom or this years draft pick will be sent away.
    Read your earlier post,
    Glad you are still with us

    Thanks very much. I’m on some heavy meds and go in for throat surgery in a week when my body has calmed down. So if my comments ever get too woozy, it’s the meds lol.

    Trading Klef is a terrible hockey decision on all accounts, trading the pick though.. if they don’t fluke out and win it, and there’s a deal that can be had for a young impact player already a few years in.. I would seriously have to look at it. They’re strung up with the NMC’s and they need talented ready to perform in Sept. History suggests they’re going to trade Klef for a role player and rush their pick into the league, both cause extreme amounts of nausea.

    Wonder if there’s any unemployed coaches out there texting Chia, “Leon would never see the wing again”

  58. godot10 says:

    HugThePost:
    It’s April 7 and still almost -20 out; it feels like this bitter winter will never end.

    It’s 2018 and the Oilers still suck; it feels like we will never have a hometown NHL team we can be proud of again.

    I gave up on this year’s team back in November when the wheels were already falling off of this season.it makes me sad and angry at the same time that after all that has happened with the Oilers in the last 11 years, nothing really has changed.

    Nothing has really changed? Taylor Hall is in the playoffs. The powers that be can’t blame him anymore.

  59. --hudson-- says:

    Ribs:
    –hudson–,

    Thanks for transcribing these things, Hudson. I’m a lot more likely to read them than watch them, so it’s really nice!

    You’re welcome, I’m glad you like reading them.

  60. godot10 says:

    Munny:
    Lowetide,

    LT, do you think there’s any concern stemming from Philly passing on the opportunity to sign him, and slightly light scoring numbers?

    Philly is just shifting a current asset for a future asset. No room in their inn for Marody at the moment. Plus probably no guaranteed NHL games there.

    Since Caggiula, every college player knows that they can negotiate a guaranteed games in the NHL clause on the side with Chiarelli.

  61. HugThePost says:

    godot10: Nothing has really changed?Taylor Hall is in the playoffs.The powers that be can’t blame him anymore.

    I meant these constants are still constant

    we suck
    we trade our talent away for pennies and hope
    we cannot develop players
    our owner doesn’t seem to care about winning
    the OBC still runs the show here

    those sorts of things
    sorry for the ambiguity

  62. OilClog says:

    Someone on the OBC should corner Lobov with some back of the head slaps so McGregor can come smash out the windows with a dolly. While they’re trying to figure out what the fook just happened maybe whatever hockey minds exist in the org can sneak in some right direction change. Worth a shot

    This #1 Bullshit

  63. sliderule says:

    A friend with oiler connections just texted me that Chris Joseph’s son was killed in the humboldt accident.

  64. JustWatt says:

    Based on the verbal (rumors) that there is a split in vision between Chia and TMac I’m starting to think that there are three likely scenarios this off-season (apologies if this has already been laid out this way before):

    1. Chia keeps the job and fires TMac for not running the team the way he envisioned and nearly getting him fired. I’d say this is the most likely scenario. My guess: 50%

    2. Chia is fired and one of the OBCs currently on the payroll take charge, Gretzky/Coffee/MacT, and leave Todd in place. This is the scariest and worst possible outcome. My guess: 35%

    3. Chia is fired and replaced by an outsider who insists on bringing in his own coaching staff and there is a full turnover. I think that this option has the best potential outcome and so of course it won’t happen. My guess: 10%

    Highly unlikely: both Chia and Todd remain another year, 2%. An OBC takes charge of the GM chair and also replaces McLellan with Coffee, 2%. An OBC takes charge of the GM chair and also replaces McLellan with an outsider, 1%. Have I missed anything obvious? Strong disagreements on my percentages I’ve based on nothing more than randomly firing neurons?

  65. JustWatt says:

    I’ve come around to the idea that the unspoken truth of this failed season is that the single greatest cause of this disaster is that Pete and Todd have never seen eye to eye. Chiarelli made McLellan’s life very difficult with his inadequate off-season moves and poor roster construction which has had the effect of making Todd look like a more terrible coach than he is. And on the flip-side, McLellan’s on-ice management and line make-up have poorly utilized the roster as constructed and made Pete look like a worse GM than he really is.

    They have burned each other to the ground by their inability or unwillingness to agree to a vision and work together. They have both been quite mediocre at their jobs (hat-tip to Godot) but their weaknesses have made each other look significantly worse than they really are. If the GM had given McLellan a more balanced roster the Oilers should have still been in the playoff race until the last month of the season. If the coaching staff had been on-board with Leon as 2C and put Nuge with 97 before the last 20% of the season the results could have been similar. Neither likely makes the playoffs but I think they would have been 10-15 points closer.

    With everything else that has gone wrong this season with the players end of things (mostly injuries and not living up to their potential), I think that it’s the combination of the GM’s and coach’s weaknesses making each other’s far worse that has really ruined things.

  66. jp says:

    dustrock:

    Anyway, the only D option on the PP I’ll ding McLellan for is not trying Auvitu enough.

    Otherwise none of Klefbom, Sekera, Larsson or Benning are much help.

    Klefbom and Sekera both finished in the top 50 D scorers last year. They helped last year, and should next if they can get back to healthy.

  67. Munny says:

    godot10: Philly is just shifting a current asset for a future asset.No room in their inn for Marody at the moment.Plus probably no guaranteed NHL games there.

    Since Caggiula, every college player knows that they can negotiate a guaranteed games in the NHL clause on the side with Chiarelli.

    #fakenews

  68. jtblack says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    For me personally, this offseason is a defining moment for Katz and Nicholson. Gifted the best player of his generation, the people they’ve hired have yielded two poor seasons and one competitive year driven by unsustainable goaltending. If they stay status quo under the banner of organizational ‘stability’ and all the same jokers return, that tells me the Nicholson culture change has failed and this is still an organization that values loyalty over results.

    As the Leafs did with Lou under Shanahan, I would bring in an experienced assistant GM under Chiarelli. I would give him the remit of contract and cap management with the message to Pete being clear that we like what you’re doing with player procurement but you’re not the money guy anymore. Simply too many low value contracts being negotiated.

    And the coaching staff should be gone by Monday. Bill Peters. Bob Hartley. Dave Tippett. There are good candidates out there and the sooner you get them in place, the sooner they can start reviewing the film and setting expectations with the players for role descriptions and offseason training regimens.

    Then get to work ASAP on procuring a 1B calibre goalie that can push Talbot for the starting job.

    So effing sick of this mediocrity. Let’s see an actual plan for rapid improvement starting now.

    +1. well said

  69. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    JustWatt,

    Confused,

    – Some people are getting closer to the truth. From day 1 the biggest red flag for Chia and this organization is this “friction” that people are honing in on. This was my concern day 1

    – MacT does not belong in this organization. By the end, he was a loser coach who threw his players under the bus. He was a loser GM that was terrible in his moves, and his coaching, and the way he handled things: only a loser get bamboozled by Eakins and fires his coach via skype. That’s his caracter.

    – So it is no surprise that this loser, protected by his buddy owner: not hireable by any organization other than as scout, who is done many bad things as a person, would be back-stabbing the GM

    – Its not a Lou/Shanny/Dubas relationship. MacT wants his job back, and he’s entitled, and enabled

    – Here is what we know:

    1) Chia was not able to fire the fired GM when he was hired
    2) MacT played a big role in getting Coach, Chia had none
    3) This failed coup d’etat, it was clear that coach was safe, and Chia was in trouble. I bet a lot that was OBC spin to MSM.
    4) MacT is in “conflict” with Chia,not really aligned with him

    – This off season, if MacT (and/or Lowe) are still here, Chia is for not getting stronger, he’s getting more managed. The constants in DoD: Lowe and MacT: these guys are long-term track record of being losers in terms of management.

    – If Chia was in charge, here is the playbook that every GM that is in charge would do after this year:
    1) Fire the dead-wood in management
    2) either fire Coach, or bring in a lot of new coaches
    3) Hire another strong AGM that he trusts, that has a different perpsective

    – Do the right thing MacT and Lowe: step aside, leave for the better of the organization. Your no good in hockey management, yet you just meddle and stay on the payroll and create faction

  70. Rube Foster says:

    “We’re all sitting on that patch of highway today, head in hands and wondering what on earth went wrong, why this happened. I’m not on the air today and honestly it’s a relief. I have no idea what to say.”

    LT,

    Last game of the year and I wanted to reach out to say thank you for helping me “enjoy” what has been a challenging season for all us Oiler diehards.

    I also want to reach out and offer my sincere gratitude for all that you do for us here beyond the sphere of hockey, whether it be your obvious passion for family, love of good music, wistful nostalgia for our Expos, your reminisces of a Western Canadian childhood and a heartfelt appreciation and fondness for a common Canadian Prairie experience that most of us here share with you – there are lots of Oiler Blogs out there, but this place is special for your willingness to share insights and experiences that speak to us at a level beyond hockey and the Oilers.

    Humboldt.

    This is a tragedy that extends beyond hockey, it is a tragedy that speaks directly to the spirit and values that you have instilled in this “community” that you have created and continue to foster.

    If you’ve played any sport at a competitive level in Western Canada, you’ve been on the team bus. “The Bus” is a shared experience to which most of us here can relate.

    This is a tragedy that is unimaginable in the devastation it will bring to families, friends, a team, a town, a province and indeed an entire country. It is both a deeply personal tragedy and tragedy that will impact all of Canada in some way.

    Lt, there were some boys from St. Albert on the bus. I know these boys and their families. They are great kids from wonderful families. Those beautiful boys were chasing their dreams, those dreams ended on a prairie highway. Heartbreaking. There will be unimaginably difficult times in our community in the days ahead, my heart and hopes go out to you all of the families and friends ravaged by this devastating tragedy.

  71. frjohnk says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    JustWatt,

    Confused,

    – Some people are getting closer to the truth.From day 1 the biggest red flag for Chia and this organization is this “friction” that people are honing in on.This was my concern day 1

    – MacT does not belong in this organization.By the end, he was a loser coach who threw his players under the bus.He was a loser GM that was terrible in his moves, and his coaching, and the way he handled things: only a loser get bamboozled by Eakins and fires his coach via skype.That’s his caracter.

    – So it is no surprise that this loser, protected by his buddy owner: not hireable by any organization other than as scout, who is done many bad things as a person, would be back-stabbing the GM

    –Its not a Lou/Shanny/Dubas relationship.MacT wants his job back, and he’s entitled, and enabled

    – Here is what we know:

    1) Chia was not able to fire the fired GM when he was hired
    2) MacT played a big role in getting Coach, Chia had none
    3) This failed coup d’etat, it was clear that coach was safe, and Chia was in trouble.I bet a lot that was OBC spin to MSM.
    4) MacT is in “conflict” with Chia,not really aligned with him

    – This off season, if MacT (and/or Lowe) are still here, Chia is for not getting stronger, he’s getting more managed.The constants in DoD: Lowe and MacT: these guys are long-term track record of being losers in terms of management.

    – If Chia was in charge, here is the playbook that every GM that is in charge would do after this year:
    1)Fire the dead-wood in management
    2) either fire Coach, or bring in a lot of new coaches
    3) Hire another strong AGM that he trusts, that has a different perpsective

    – Do the right thing MacT and Lowe: step aside, leave for the better of the organization.Your no good in hockey management, yet you just meddle and stay on the payroll and create faction

    Hard to separate the chaff from the wheat.

    I had heard a rumor a few times over the last while that there were “2 people within” who did not want Hall gone/traded.

    But to be safe.

    Get the largest cannon. Load them all in. Aim at the Sun. Light the fuse.

  72. GCW_69 says:

    “I believe the Oilers will also sign Matt Benning, Drake Caggiula, Ryan Strome and Iiro Pakarinen.”

    Man I hope you are wrong about Drake and Pakarinen. That setting the bar way too low.

  73. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    frjohnk: Hard to separate the chaff from the wheat.

    I had heard a rumor a few times over the last while that there were “2 people within” who did not want Hall gone/traded.

    But to be safe.

    Get the largest cannon.Load them all in. Aim at the Sun. Light the fuse.

    – I doubt the gig is up, but it is amazing that these two losers, are tho only constant in the DoD, and they are beloved bleeders of Oil. They still have significant roles hockey wise. And we still suck

    – No way Chia alone a) traded Hall, b) traded for Griff (his Hamilton deal was a coup)

    – The two things that he gets criticized the most for, have OBC written all-over them. I bet Hall had no time for those losers,wans’t political in his youth and the OBC were more than happy to shove him

    – And the coach: he didn’t even hire him!

    – If won’t happen, because the MSM and the OBC losers have been together for decades. And Nicholson: he’s a closet Oiler-lover from the golden days.

    – I’d be down for firing Chia and Coach if there was a proper evaluation done by people who aren’t losers. I’m not down for OBC strengting power, throwing GM under the bus, and still there, when they hire a GM better than Chia, and a coach better than Todd

    – I don’t live in Edmonton- Maybe its because I’m not there and I don’t have a connection to those losers, and I have a lot of experience in Management dynamics in smallish owner-structures that I’ve been so anti-OBC, and saw through the BS. It seems it is heresay in Edmonton to suggest that MacT and Lowe are losers that should have been fired years and years aog, not moved up higher and still involved day to day in hockey

  74. JimmyV1965 says:

    I wonder what would have more value. Trading Klef or trading the first rounder? Klef I would think has much more value, but maybe not. Certainly more value for us. If we trade the first rounder we need to find a way to get a late first rounder.

  75. €√¥£€^$ says:

    jtblack,

    No thanks to Hartley

  76. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: Philly is just shifting a current asset for a future asset.No room in their inn for Marody at the moment.Plus probably no guaranteed NHL games there.

    Since Caggiula, every college player knows that they can negotiate a guaranteed games in the NHL clause on the side with Chiarelli.

    There is zero evidence the team has ever negotiated such an agreement. You speak of speculation like it is a fact.

  77. frjohnk says:

    In times like these, the response to a tragedy defines a community.

    From what I have seen, heard and know the outpouring of support has been way above and beyond.

    I live in Saskatoon, work as a firefighter. We are sending staff (Critical Incident Stress Management teams) to help the fire fighters and first responders from Tisdale and Nipawin deal with the tragedy.

    Personally, I went for the first time to donate blood this morning. They get on average about 20 people in about 4-5 hours at the Blood Services Clinic

    I was number 67 one hour after opening. There was a lineup to the door for two hours after I arrived. The Blood Services Clinic called in as the one worker said ” I think everyone”

    3 of my 5 kids are old enough to deliver flyers and the money goes into 3 accounts
    -disneyland
    -spending
    -donating

    My oldest said that they will donate some of their flyer money to the gofundme fundraiser for the Bronco families.

    And this is just a snippet from one person. The amount of response to this tragedy probably can not be measured.

    I have seen and experienced some crazy incidents over my career, I wouldnt have a clue on what the experience would be like for this one. Absolutely horrific.

    I wont be able to make it through Don Cherrys coaches corner with a dry eye tonight.

  78. JimmyV1965 says:

    JustWatt:
    I’ve come around to the idea that the unspoken truth of this failed season is that the single greatest cause of this disaster is that Pete and Todd have never seen eye to eye. Chiarelli made McLellan’s life very difficult with his inadequate off-season moves and poor roster construction which has had the effect of making Todd look like a more terrible coach than he is. And on the flip-side, McLellan’s on-ice management and line make-up have poorly utilized the roster as constructed and made Pete look like a worse GM than he really is.

    They have burned each other to the ground by their inability or unwillingness to agree to a vision and work together. They have both been quite mediocre at their jobs (hat-tip to Godot) but their weaknesses have made each other look significantly worse than they really are. If the GM had given McLellan a more balanced roster the Oilers should have still been in the playoff race until the last month of the season. If the coaching staff had been on-board with Leon as 2C and put Nuge with 97 before the last 20% of the season the results could have been similar. Neither likely makes the playoffs but I think they would have been 10-15 points closer.

    With everything else that has gone wrong this season with the players end of things (mostly injuries and not living up to their potential), I think that it’s the combination of the GM’s and coach’s weaknesses making each other’s far worse that has really ruined things.

    IMO goaltending is the single biggest reason for the results this season. No one in this league does well with bad goaltending. And while I agree both Chia and Tmac are mediocre at their jobs, bad goaltending has magnified their weaknesses. If we get league avg goaltending next year we won’t get 103 pts, but we will be in the hunt for a playoff spot.

  79. JimmyV1965 says:

    GCW_69:
    “I believe the Oilers will also sign Matt Benning, Drake Caggiula, Ryan Strome and Iiro Pakarinen.”

    Man I hope you are wrong about Drake and Pakarinen. That setting the bar way too low.

    There’s no way I give up on the Drake already. He’s got 12 goals. Imagine the howls of outrage from Oiler fans if he moves on and scores 15 with another team. It will be deafening. I will be quite interested to see his defensive game playing zone defence.

  80. Confused says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Well talking about zone.

    The PK has been pretty good for two months, cause change people and tactics.

    Using. 5X5 terminology, the PK tactically effectively moved from man to zone!

    We can only hope 5X5 follows.

  81. JustWatt says:

    frjohnk:

    Get the largest cannon.Load them all in. Aim at the Sun. Light the fuse.

    Please please please

  82. JustWatt says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Why do you think Chia did not hire TMac?

  83. JustWatt says:

    JimmyV1965: IMO goaltending is the single biggest reason for the results this season. No one in this league does well with bad goaltending. And while I agree both Chia and Tmac are mediocre at their jobs, bad goaltending has magnified their weaknesses. If we get league avg goaltending next year we won’t get 103 pts, but we will be in the hunt for a playoff spot.

    I agree that it was a huge, dark rain cloud this season but its only one of many. We have the lowest number of goals scored from our collective wingers this year (or we did recently), we’ve had the lowest PP% and goals all year and the lowest PK for the first 2/3 of the season. The goalie only impacts one of those. I don’t think that it has quite the weight you are suggesting. Poor roster construction and poor deployment and systems affects all 4. Both poor together has been a millstone the most electric player in the game could not come close to overcoming.

  84. leadfarmer says:

    Congrats to Claude Giroux. 101 points and a playoff spot

  85. Wilde says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    – The two things that he gets criticized the most for, have OBC written all-over them.I bet Hall had no time for those losers,wans’t political in his youth and the OBC were more than happy to shove him

    This whole post reads like your ironic “Chia is shit” thing, except it’s about MacT and you’re dead serious.

    But the part quoted here is the most obviously biased – The Hall trade looks like a Chiarelli classic. He’s (one of?) the only GM with moves like that on his resume.

    It wasn’t, I’m sure everyone voted for it, but saying it looks like an OBC move is just false imo.

    The Lucic signing the OBC would have done. The poor contract negotiations they would have done.

    The OBC playbook is stuff like signing anchor contracts, horrific pro scouting, terrible optics/PR, etc.

    Trading star forwards definitely isn’t. They LOVE star forwards. Vanek offer sheet, Penner…

    Again, not saying they would have done *better* than Chiarelli, just that they have their own signature stupidity.

  86. OilClog says:

    MacT was not a loser coach, that’s ridiculous to say. Because he had beef with Chimera or Brodziak? Fook off.

    He was in over his head as an inexperienced GM, made a whole bunch of noise and wanted results. He failed but that doesn’t make him a loser, he’s not perfect but definitely wants glory and success for the Oilers. He’s as much a fan of the Oilers as any of us and has his own views, he should be respected for everything he’s given this org even if you don’t agree with it.

    IMO MacT I guarantee was offered far more for Hall when he was the GM and never made the move. I don’t think MacT the coach or MacT the GM would move Hall for a Defensive defender. If anyone on the OBC was on the side of moving Hall, it would from a history perspective be Lowe.

    Pete and Todd’s battle over Leon’s role, usage of nearly the entire roster, that’s the biggest hole in the ship.

    Why would a GM go get better backups if they’re only going to be 10-12 games at most? Better back ups want more games, this coach doesn’t know how to not ride his starter into the ground. LB playing back to back on the road with young Ellis on the bench never even getting a sniff. No agent is going to let his goalie sign to be subjected to that.

  87. CaptainObvious says:

    dustrock:
    Friedman said in this week’s 31 Thoughts the Oilers will be bringing in more offence from their D. We were 27th in points from D, it’s been a problem for years.

    So a trade of the pick is a real possibility I think.

    A RH Soring D is the target

    Highest probability is either Klefbom or Nurse for Barrie.

    Or Bridge Nurse, get rid of a few contracts like Kassian, Benning Montoya. And sign a free agent RHD (not very likely though)

    Alot will depend on the Cap announcement which typically happens around June 18th.

    Draft is June 22-23.

    I would be happy with keeping the pick.
    Trading for Barrie.
    Bring in UFA Yaroslav Halak mid to late summer at 1yr $2.5 million AVV
    And UFA Derek Ryan as a veteran 4th line Center at 1yr $1.25 million

    You want to keep Klefbom and Nurse here next year…PRAY the cap goes to $82million

  88. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    HugThePost,

    It’s April 7 and still almost -20 out; it feels like this bitter winter will never end.

    It is certainly the winter of our discontent.

  89. JimmyV1965 says:

    JustWatt: I agree that it was a huge, dark rain cloud this season but its only one of many. We have the lowest number of goals scored from our collective wingers this year (or we did recently), we’ve had the lowest PP% and goals all year and the lowest PK for the first 2/3 of the season. The goalie only impacts one of those. I don’t think that it has quite the weight you are suggesting. Poor roster construction and poor deployment and systems affects all 4. Both poor together has been a millstone the most electric player in the game could not come close to overcoming.

    I agree with what you’re saying actually. We have a flawed roster no question and we do need more scoring.

    But it’s hard to understate the devastating impact bad goaltending has on the entire team, especially when it’s bad to start the season. If you can’t trust your goalie to stop the puck, you start questioning your decisions and lose confidence. If the dmen and forwards spend a fraction of a second questioning themselves they’ve already lost a step.

    I say this and still support Talbot as the starter. However, we absolutely have to have a backup who can start for 7 or 8 games in a row in case Talbot poops the bed again.

  90. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Ribs:
    –hudson–,

    Thanks for transcribing these things, Hudson. I’m a lot more likely to read them than watch them, so it’s really nice!

    Agreed.

    I do not say it every time, but I really appreciate your work on these Hudson.

  91. OilClog says:

    They’d never do it but the Oilers should have both teams in Broncos home and away jerseys for tonight’s game with the Broncos players names on the backs. Even if it’s just for the warm ups and anthems.

  92. JustWatt says:

    JimmyV1965,

    I struggle to differentiate between a goalie with poor performance crushing his team’s confidence and alternatively buoying them up when red hot and good tending hiding the flaws and poor tending exposing them. I go back and forth and probably there is some of both.

  93. Mr DeBakey says:

    5v5 Scoring, Oilers top-5 D, last 2 seasons:

    League Rank, Player, ES Pts

    16-17
    32 Andrej Sekera 21
    38 Oscar Klefbom 20
    59 Adam Larsson 17
    110 Kris Russell 12
    127 Matthew Benning 11
    (Total 81)
    League Leader Erik Karlsson 35

    17-18
    21 Darnell Nurse 24
    63 Kris Russell 17
    77 Matthew Benning 16
    135 Adam Larsson 11
    136 Oscar Klefbom 11
    (Total 79)
    League Leader John Klingberg, Erik Karlsson 35

  94. CaptainObvious says:

    JustWatt:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Why do you think Chia did not hire TMac?

    The Toronto Star reported:

    “Chiarelli joined the Oilers on April 24 as GM and president of hockey operations after being let go as GM by the Boston Bruins.

    Chiarelli interviewed McLellan for the job recently in Prague, where McLellan was coaching Team Canada to a gold medal win at the world hockey championships.

    McLellan and Detroit’s Mike Babcock were considered the top two coaching candidates on the market, and Edmonton never asked permission to talk to Babcock.

    “I’ve been very impressed with (McLellan’s) teams over the years,” said Chiarelli.

    He said McLellan’s Sharks had a trademark style.

    “They were hard games. They were games where adjustments were being made all the time. They were heavy on the puck, and he (McLellan) really looked like he enjoyed coaching,” said Chiarelli.

  95. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Agreed.

    I do not say it every time, but I really appreciate your work on these Hudson.

    +1

  96. Bag of Pucks says:

    Quick straw poll. Which of these HCs would you hire if you could?

    1) Bill Peters
    2) Dave Tippett
    3) Bob Hartley
    4) Darryl Sutter
    5) Todd Nelson

  97. CaptainObvious says:

    JimmyV1965: There’s no way I give up on the Drake already. He’s got 12 goals. Imagine the howls of outrage from Oiler fans if he moves on and scores 15 with another team. It will be deafening. I will be quite interested to see his defensive game playing zone defence.

    Drake looks ok on the third line.

    He’s scored the same amount of goals as Pitlick at the same price and he’s three years younger.

    Sleppy looks good on the fourth line. Oilers have auditioned him througout the lineup. I think he has to be ready to adjust to the reality that he is currently a fourth line talent on this team and will need to decide if he can/wants to play that role, which I think he can do well, at $900k. Or if he prefers a top 6 role in the KHL. Depends on how bad he wants to be an NHLer. THis summer will answer that question. I hope hes back. He looked good on the 4th line against the Golden Nights.

  98. Mr DeBakey says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Quick straw poll. Which of these HCs would you hire if you could?

    1) Bill Peters
    2) Dave Tippett
    3) Bob Hartley
    4) Darryl Sutter
    5) Todd Nelson

    5, 2, 4, 1

    I have Buchberger ahead of Hartley.

  99. Confused says:

    Rangers lose

  100. CaptainObvious says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Quick straw poll. Which of these HCs would you hire if you could?

    1) Bill Peters
    2) Dave Tippett
    3) Bob Hartley
    4) Darryl Sutter
    5) Todd Nelson

    6) Todd Maclellan then 2) Dave Tippet

  101. Pretendergast says:
  102. CaptainObvious says:

    JustWatt:
    JimmyV1965,

    I struggle to differentiate between a goalie with poor performance crushing his team’s confidence and alternatively buoying them up when red hot and good tending hiding the flaws and poor tending exposing them. I go back and forth and probably there is some of both.

    Regardless of what changes occur this summer, The Oilers will make the playoffs next year if Talbots save percentage is over .917 which is only a middle of the pack save percentage.

  103. russ99 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Quick straw poll. Which of these HCs would you hire if you could?

    1) Bill Peters
    2) Dave Tippett
    3) Bob Hartley
    4) Darryl Sutter
    5) Todd Nelson

    Only 2.

    Sutter is a good enough coach, but his brother In the OBC with all his “scouting” and that “defense doesn’t exist” quote makes me think he’d be an OBC hire with limited accountability.

  104. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    JustWatt:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Why do you think Chia did not hire TMac?

    – It’s been well laid out in many articles. A few days ago those articles were brought out again: MacT had the ball rolling on Coach, before Chia was even in picture.

    – Chia might have had a “hi so you just got hired too eh?”, but he wasn’t involved

  105. russ99 says:

    CaptainObvious: Regardless of what changes occur this summer, The Oilers will make the playoffs next year if Talbots save percentage is over .917 which is only a middle of the pack save percentage.

    Cause and effect. Talbot just didn’t fall off the earth, he was overused and had frequent defensive breakdowns in front of him, all 5 skaters,

    I think Talbot could bounce back next year with a good backup to spell/push him and roster additions that lead to better defensive zone play.

  106. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Wilde,

    – a little thick I laid it on sure. But to not recognize the inherent conflict between MacT (who is a lousy exec based on his tenure, and was rightfully fired after way too long of terrible teams), is ignoring the reality. Lowe is the same: they should be toiling away at a low level in another team willing to give them the chance: not deserving of the place at the big boy table

    – The only consistent in the DoD are Lowe and MacT: they are both not worthy of their roles in hockey based on their track records. And they are for sure in conflict with the existing GM (who clearly has not ever had the authority that a GM should have)

    – Their meddling, and the OBC is the single biggest hindrance to the club. Firing Chia and or coach and keeping and therefore increasing the power of those two is red alert toxic.

    – And yes, I really actually for a number of reasons, don’t respect MacT (or Lowe), but my language to describe them probably takes away from my thesis of what really rots this organization

  107. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    JustWatt:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Why do you think Chia did not hire TMac?

    – Georges posted these links below. There is no doubt Coach was a MacT hire. Chia came in and was told: guess what you don’t need to worry about finding a coach, we already did!:

    – Lowe and MacT are real problems and the only constants. They are bad for this org, because they still are very very high up the food chain on all hockey decisions:

    #fire MacT#fireLowe#

    This is from Georges:

    “But to say that Lowe and MacTavish were not exactly on the same page as Nicholson when it comes to hockey matters would not be a stretch. When Nicholson was hired by Katz a year ago, he came to the Oilers expecting to have more say over hockey matters, but was apparently overruled by Lowe. That all changed last week, however, when Katz named Nicholson president of the Oilers Sports Group and gave him carte blanche to run the hockey department as he sees fit. And Nicholson wasted no time, acting immediately to both reach out to San Jose Sharks coach Todd McLellan and hire Chiarelli.”

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/is-peter-chiarelli-hiring-really-a-new-page-in-oilers-history-book

    “While Peter Chiarelli was the one who unveiled this organization’s latest “catch” to the masses, the duo of Bob Nicholson and Craig MacTavish had actually reached out to McLellan before the former Boston Bruins general manager was even brought on board.”

    https://thehockeywriters.com/mcdavid-mclellan-buys-oilers-another-year/

    (LT has a rule about two sources.)

  108. Wilde says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Quick straw poll. Which of these HCs would you hire if you could?

    1) Bill Peters
    2) Dave Tippett
    3) Bob Hartley
    4) Darryl Sutter
    5) Todd Nelson

    Nelson, then Peters, then Tippett, then Hartley, then I stop watching the game of hockey, then Sutter.

  109. JimmyV1965 says:

    JustWatt:
    JimmyV1965,

    I struggle to differentiate between a goalie with poor performance crushing his team’s confidence and alternatively buoying them up when red hot and good tending hiding the flaws and poor tending exposing them. I go back and forth and probably there is some of both.

    The thing about Talbot is he’s shown he can play very well with the defence in front of him. For the second time in three years, Talbot was awful to start the season. He then regains his form later in the season and plays much better. Unfortunately, by the time he rediscovers his game the playoffs are a distant dream.

  110. JimmyV1965 says:

    CaptainObvious: Regardless of what changes occur this summer, The Oilers will make the playoffs next year if Talbots save percentage is over .917 which is only a middle of the pack save percentage.

    Agreed. If we don’t make any changes and get league avg goaltending, this team has legit shot at playoffs.

  111. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Wilde: This whole post reads like your ironic “Chia is shit” thing, except it’s about MacT and you’re dead serious.

    But the part quoted here is the most obviously biased – The Hall trade looks like a Chiarelli classic. He’s (one of?) the only GM with moves like that on his resume.

    It wasn’t, I’m sure everyone voted for it, but saying it looks like an OBC move is just false imo.

    The Lucic signing the OBC would have done. The poor contract negotiations they would have done.

    The OBC playbook is stuff like signing anchor contracts, horrific pro scouting, terrible optics/PR, etc.

    Trading star forwards definitely isn’t. They LOVE star forwards. Vanek offer sheet, Penner…

    Again, not saying they would have done *better* than Chiarelli, just that they have their own signature stupidity.

    To me it seems they have traded every top player they have ever had. Nobody elite has retired an Oiler that I can think of.

    I’m ok with that and think it is actually necessary to remain competitive, but that should be done when the player is starting to fade and still he’s a rep, not when they are still in prime years.

    Only players like Gretzky and Connor should retire on the team that drafted them.

    A sure tell it’s OBC is when MSM starts character assassinating players before they’re traded.

    **still has a rep

  112. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JimmyV1965: The thing about Talbot is he’s shown he can play very well with the defence in front of him. For the second time in three years, Talbot was awful to start the season. He then regains his form later in the season and plays much better. Unfortunately, by the time he rediscovers his game the playoffs are a distant dream.

    I haven’t seen him that good even later. Perhaps it’s been so long since they’ve had a top goalie our expectations have gone down. Playing like an NHL goalie is the baseline, Talbot has risen to slightly above replacement level. Hardly something to pin your hopes on. Re-up approaching. Scary.

  113. ChiliChunk says:

    Mr DeBakey

    I have Buchberger ahead of Hartley.

    I have Dallas Eakins, Gordon Bombay and Jackie Moon ahead of Hartley.

  114. digger50 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Quick straw poll. Which of these HCs would you hire if you could?

    1) Bill Peters
    2) Dave Tippett
    3) Bob Hartley
    4) Darryl Sutter
    5) Todd Nelson

    From your list, Nelson

    I hear the preference for e perienced winning coach. Somehow I think they will do better with young, hungry coach with fresh ideas.

  115. digger50 says:

    Prediction for next GM

    MacT was a decent coach but over his head as GM

    Yet he was retained i the organization. It would not surprise me if he was given the “you are just not ready” speech “we are bringing someone new in”. We want you to learn from this experienced GM and in the future……….

    ..Maybe

    There are a lot of hyper competitive personalities in the room. All strong opinions s. All likely think they could do better. All full of advice. Sounds like a nightmare.

  116. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    JimmyV1965: IMO goaltending is the single biggest reason for the results this season. No one in this league does well with bad goaltending. And while I agree both Chia and Tmac are mediocre at their jobs, bad goaltending has magnified their weaknesses. If we get league avg goaltending next year we won’t get 103 pts, but we will be in the hunt for a playoff spot.

    It was the dcorps more than goaltending.

    One is a symptom of the other in a lot of respects.

    The Oilers Corsi/Shot/Changes against/60 were at 15/16 levels this year.

    They entered the season with exactly two top 4 Dmen, Larsson and Klef. Klef got hurt early and Larsson not too much later and everything went off the rails.

    Nurse stepped up, but it wasn’t enough.

    I wrote about Top 4 Dman minutes 2 years ago: http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2016/04/playoff-teams-in-nhl-average-60-of-dman.html

    EDM was no where near where they needed to be. Some of that is injury luck, some the GM.

    Chia getting no cover for the Sekera injury was a massive mistake.

    Lots of VGK with expiring contracts were available as well as 1 year UFAs and he sat on his hands.

    Talbot’s 5v5 SV% last 3 years:

    15/16 .920
    16/17 .929
    17/18 .916

    Not great this year for sure, but wasn’t the biggest reason. Add more shots to a slightly lower SV% and you get 2.59 GA/60 instead of the 2.09 of last year.

    The single biggest culprit was special teams though.

    The 4v5 has gotten much better lately (2nd best in the NHL since Feb 1 due to a structure change) so these numbers don’t look as bad as they were:

    Expected GA/60 4v5

    15/16 6.64
    16/17 7.17
    17/18 8.00

    Actual GA/60 4v5

    15/16 6.53
    16/17 6.38
    17/18 8.65

    There is a very strong argument that Talbot’s 4v5 SV% last year made the PK look much better than it was and it all fell apart this year with the structure allowing 2-1, 3-2 and 2-0 down low like it was their job.

    The Dmen’s 4v5 Expected Goals Against/60 from last year to this tell a compelling story:

    Player Season xGA/60
    ADAM.LARSSON 2016-2017 7.25
    ADAM.LARSSON 2017-2018 7.50

    ANDREJ.SEKERA 2016-2017 7.08
    ANDREJ.SEKERA 2017-2018 5.86
    (Note: Sekera started playing 4v5 after they moved from the pressure diamond to the passive box and the subsequent drop in goals and expected goals against)

    DARNELL.NURSE 2016-2017 8.07
    DARNELL.NURSE 2017-2018 8.51

    ERIC.GRYBA 2016-2017 6.85
    ERIC.GRYBA 2017-2018 8.97

    KRIS.RUSSELL 2016-2017 7.76
    KRIS.RUSSELL 2017-2018 8.64

    MATT.BENNING 2016-2017 5.12
    MATT.BENNING 2017-2018 6.17

    OSCAR.KLEFBOM 2016-2017 6.96
    OSCAR.KLEFBOM 2017-2018 7.91

    So, that’s my really long winded way of saying “not really” when you say that goaltending was the biggest problem.

  117. Thorin says:

    sliderule:
    A friend with oiler connections just texted me that Chris Joseph’s son was killed in the humboldt accident.

    This man coached one of my daughters way back in initiation, when they were all still learning to stand up and to stop. I didn’t realize who he was that first practice, then realized a journeyman NHLer was teaching my daughter the basics of crossovers. A few years later I coached his son (and mine) on a lacrosse team. Their whole family is friendly and loving and accepting of all. Our sons got along well at lacrosse, but they didn’t stay in touch. They had a shared friend, though, and occasionally chatted at the ODR. My son is absolutely devastated at the idea that this happened to people he knew, 500 miles from where we live.

    It reminded me of the Sandy Hook shooting. I heard about it, I figured it’s all the way on the other side of the continent in another country, it happened to strangers. Then I found out a co-worker I regularly work with had a daughter shot and killed there.

    The world is so large, and yet we’re so connected to people living hundreds and thousands of miles away.

    I wish that I’d stayed in contact with Chris, I wish I could lend him a shoulder to cry on today. I wish I could fix this for everyone involved.

  118. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OilClog,

    – On of the things that I always found ironic about MacT was that he was head coach for three years in a row when they didn’t make the playoffs, before getting fired.

    – Then as GM, he fired every one of his coaches, after one year or less

    – MacT was not a good coach: he had a glorious run with Pronger, but didn’t qualify for the playoffs more times than he lost in the 1st round: no one would hire him as a coach. No one wold hire him in hockey ops other than as a scout. His track record is what it is and its so bad.

    – MacT thought so highly of himself, that after he fired Dallas: he hired himself to go behind the bench: what hubris.

    – After he was fired as coach, he was coach of a lousy AHL team: then he got hired as GM (only man in Hockey to go from AHL coach to GM). He’s for sure not a loser in terms of taking care of MacT and working a system, and ingratiating himself with a fawning owner. I wouldn’t want him involved in anything other than a minor role in a professional hockey team

  119. Wilde says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Wilde,

    – a little thick I laid it on sure.But to not recognize the inherent conflict between MacT (who is a lousy exec based on his tenure, and was rightfully fired after way too long of terrible teams), is ignoring the reality.Lowe is the same: they should be toiling away at a low level in another team willing to give them the chance: not deserving of the place at the big boy table

    – The only consistent in the DoD are Lowe and MacT:they are both not worthy of their roles in hockey based on their track records.And they are for sure in conflict with the existing GM (who clearly has not ever had the authority that a GM should have)

    – Their meddling, and the OBC is the single biggest hindrance to the club.Firing Chia and or coach and keeping and therefore increasing the power of those two is red alert toxic.

    – And yes, I really actually for a number of reasons, don’t respect MacT (or Lowe), but my language to describe them probably takes away from my thesis of what really rots this organization

    I just can’t reconcile the difference in tone and approach that you take to your criticisms, between Chiarelli and Lowe/MacT.

    I don’t believe that the gap between their resumes is so enormous, to the point where you can logically give PC every benefit of the doubt and then turn around and refuse to spare any at all with regard to the latter’s processes.

    Some of Chiarelli’s mistakes before he came into contact with MacTavish bear stunning resemblance to the ones he’s made since. When he signed Matt Beleskey to a 4 year m-NTC 3.8M AAV contract in 2015, had Craig MacTavish already eaten his brains by then?

  120. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Quick straw poll. Which of these HCs would you hire if you could?

    1) Bill Peters
    2) Dave Tippett
    3) Bob Hartley
    4) Darryl Sutter
    5) Todd Nelson

    Todd Nelson first, Jacques Martin 2nd, on my list.

  121. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Confused:
    JimmyV1965,

    Well talking about zone.

    The PK has been pretty good for two months, cause change people and tactics.

    Using. 5X5 terminology, the PK tactically effectively moved from man to zone!

    We can only hope 5X5 follows.

    Agreed.

    PK from Oct 1 – Feb 1

    SA/60 – 51.1
    GA/60 – 10.6 (!!)
    SCA/60 – 60.5
    HDCA/60 – 27.6
    HDGA/60 – 6.24

    PK from Feb 2 until today

    SA/60 – 46.6
    GA/60 – 5.17
    SCA/60 – 46.1
    HDCA/60 – 19.8
    HDGA/60 – 2.15

    Night and freaking day.

    If they ran this PK all year (5.17 GA/60) they would have 23 less goals against from Oct 1 – Feb 1

    That’s insane.

    Same goalies, same players, but results are black and white.

    Its also a firing indictment of the coaching staff.

  122. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Quick straw poll. Which of these HCs would you hire if you could?

    1) Bill Peters
    2) Dave Tippett
    3) Bob Hartley
    4) Darryl Sutter
    5) Todd Nelson

    Peters, Tippett, Nelson…pass……..pass…..

    Its worth noting that Peters ran the pressure diamond PK in CAR that vexed EDM this year……

  123. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Wilde,

    – If during this “audit v.2.0” they decide to punt Chia, for his results to date, his mistakes, so be it.

    – Chia and Coach came in to great fanfare. I’m working on a post about the organization. Bringing in a new better GM, and a new better coach, enables MacT, and Lowe.

    – This org should aim their sites hire: fire those who have lingered and rotted for years.

    – Who does Chia have in the room that has his back, or has hockey acumen? IT’s not MacT, Howson, and Lowe: just awful resources for this GM or the next one.

    – I think Chia is very vulnerable, as is coach: before thy fire them, I don’t know who has to figure out why they got there, but with MacT and Lowe part of the process, it’s not going to be good

    – While Chia is GM, I’m sure he does not have full discrection, and I know that others meddle. Sure that might be a difference in tone.

    – If they bring in a new GM, and that GM announces that MacT and Lowe have decided to persue opportunites elsewhere, and that new GM comes in and is surrounded by non-OBC brain thrust, I’m all for firing Chia and coach.

  124. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    To be clear, I still think they should find Talbot’s successor this summer if they can get Grubaurer out of WSH.

    I don’t think a second Talbot contract is a good idea, and I love the guy.

  125. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: It was the dcorps more than goaltending.

    One is a symptom of the other in a lot of respects.

    The Oilers Corsi/Shot/Changes against/60 were at 15/16 levels this year.

    They entered the season with exactly two top 4 Dmen, Larsson and Klef.Klef got hurt early and Larsson not too much later and everything went off the rails.

    Nurse stepped up, but it wasn’t enough.

    I wrote about Top 4 Dman minutes 2 years ago: http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2016/04/playoff-teams-in-nhl-average-60-of-dman.html

    EDM was no where near where they needed to be.Some of that is injury luck, some the GM.

    Chia getting no cover for the Sekera injury was a massive mistake.

    Lots of VGK with expiring contracts were available as well as 1 year UFAs and he sat on his hands.

    Talbot’s 5v5 SV% last 3 years:

    15/16 .920
    16/17 .929
    17/18 .916

    Not great this year for sure, but wasn’t the biggest reason.Add more shots to a slightly lower SV% and you get 2.59 GA/60 instead of the 2.09 of last year.

    The single biggest culprit was special teams though.

    The 4v5 has gotten much better lately (2nd best in the NHL since Feb 1 due to a structure change) so these numbers don’t look as bad as they were:

    Expected GA/60 4v5

    15/16 6.64
    16/17 7.17
    17/18 8.00

    Actual GA/60 4v5

    15/16 6.53
    16/17 6.38
    17/18 8.65

    There is a very strong argument that Talbot’s 4v5 SV% last year made the PK look much better than it was and it all fell apart this year with the structure allowing 2-1, 3-2 and 2-0 down low like it was their job.

    The Dmen’s 4v5 Expected Goals Against/60 from last year to this tell a compelling story:

    PlayerSeasonxGA/60
    ADAM.LARSSON2016-20177.25
    ADAM.LARSSON2017-20187.50

    ANDREJ.SEKERA2016-20177.08
    ANDREJ.SEKERA2017-20185.86
    (Note: Sekera started playing 4v5 after they moved from the pressure diamond to the passive box and the subsequent drop in goals and expected goals against)

    DARNELL.NURSE2016-20178.07
    DARNELL.NURSE2017-20188.51

    ERIC.GRYBA2016-20176.85
    ERIC.GRYBA2017-20188.97

    KRIS.RUSSELL2016-20177.76
    KRIS.RUSSELL2017-20188.64

    MATT.BENNING2016-20175.12
    MATT.BENNING2017-20186.17

    OSCAR.KLEFBOM2016-20176.96
    OSCAR.KLEFBOM2017-20187.91

    So, that’s my really long winded way of saying “not really” when you say that goaltending was the biggest problem.

    I’m surprised that you can reconcile the stats with what I saw on TV. Perhaps it was because of seeing games live?

    Talbot has good stretches and awful moments, moments goalers can’t have, well NHL goalers.

  126. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    5v5 Scoring, Oilers top-5 D, last 2 seasons:

    League Rank, Player, ES Pts

    16-17
    32Andrej Sekera21
    38Oscar Klefbom20
    59Adam Larsson17
    110Kris Russell12
    127Matthew Benning11
    (Total 81)
    League Leader Erik Karlsson 35

    17-18
    21Darnell Nurse24
    63Kris Russell17
    77Matthew Benning16
    135Adam Larsson11
    136Oscar Klefbom11
    (Total 79)
    League Leader John Klingberg, Erik Karlsson 35

    Thank you for this.

    2 points off of last year 5v5 eh?

    I think they need to upgrade 2RD (and have forever) ,but individual Dman points isn’t the reason.

    More goals for everyone, less goals against for everyone is my goal with upgrading 2RD.

  127. Gerta Rauss says:

    draft update

    -NYI down 1-0 after first period
    -CHI down 1-0 late in the first
    -Rangers lost today and finished with 78 points and 31 ROW

    everyone is conspiring against us..!!…lol

  128. StixMalone says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    OilClog,

    – On of the things that I always found ironic about MacT was that he was head coach for three years in a row when they didn’t make the playoffs, before getting fired.

    – Then as GM, he fired every one of his coaches, after one year or less

    – MacT was not a good coach: he had a glorious run with Pronger, but didn’t qualify for the playoffs more times than he lost in the 1st round: no one would hire him as a coach.No one wold hire him in hockey ops other than as a scout.His track record is what it is and its so bad.

    – MacT thought so highly of himself, that after he fired Dallas: he hired himself to go behind the bench: what hubris.

    – After he was fired as coach, he was coach of a lousy AHL team: then he got hired as GM (only man in Hockey to go from AHL coach to GM).He’s for sure not a loser in terms of taking care of MacT and working a system, and ingratiating himself with a fawning owner.I wouldn’t want him involved in anything other than a minor role in a professional hockey team

    You forgot about his short stint as a TSN hockey analyst!!!

  129. StixMalone says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    To be clear, I still think they should find Talbot’s successor this summer if they can get Grubaurer out of WSH.

    I don’t think a second Talbot contract is a good idea, and I love the guy.

    +1

  130. JimmyV1965 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I haven’t seen him that good even later. Perhapsit’s been so long since they’ve had a top goalie our expectations have gone down. Playing like an NHL goalie is the baseline, Talbot has risen to slightly above replacement level. Hardly something to pin your hopes on. Re-up approaching. Scary.

    This has the potential to be a very challenging contract for the GM. If Talbot has a bad start again next year, I guess it’s easy to simply let him go. But what if he has a good start next year? There will be lots of pressure to resign him. That could be very dangerous.

  131. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    StixMalone: You forgot about his short stint as a TSN hockey analyst!!!

    – And yet he still plays a big role in hockey ops and is having it out with Chia, hired the coach, and was part of the failed coup d’etat. He’s survived all other firings despite being a key cog, always

  132. Munny says:

    I don’t usually watch Don… more out of timing than anything, but today I knew I had to.

    Rest in peace you lovely souls, torn from us far too early.

    And a mountain of condolences to those affected.

    The hardest movie in the world for me to watch is The Sweet Hereafter. It just got a lot harder to endure.

  133. Wilde says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Wilde,

    – If during this “audit v.2.0” they decide to punt Chia, for his results to date, his mistakes, so be it.

    – Chia and Coach came in to great fanfare.I’m working on a post about the organization.Bringing in a new better GM, and a new better coach, enables MacT, and Lowe.

    – This org should aim their sites hire: fire those who have lingered and rotted for years.

    – Who does Chia have in the room that has his back, or has hockey acumen?IT’s not MacT, Howson, and Lowe: just awful resources for this GM or the next one.

    – I think Chia is very vulnerable, as is coach: before thy fire them, I don’t know who has to figure out why they got there, but with MacT and Lowe part of the process, it’s not going to be good

    – While Chia is GM, I’m sure he does not have full discrection, and I know that others meddle.Sure that might be a difference in tone.

    – If they bring in a new GM, and that GM announces that MacT and Lowe have decided to persue opportunites elsewhere, and that new GM comes in and is surrounded by non-OBC brain thrust, I’m all for firing Chia and coach.

    The thing is he left no stone unturned, just about.

    I don’t think I buy the notion that Chiarelli was so shackled by the previous collective that he didn’t have his way most of the way.

    He torched the roster, looked a lot like he had permission to deal anything and everything that wasn’t nailed down / / the 2013, 2014 and 2015 firsts.

    Does MacTavish buy out Pouliot? There’s wrinkles like that, showing that timing and nuance be damned, the whole roster was going to be flipped in 4 summers.

    And from there, most of the replacements look like Chiarelli guys, too. Former Bruins, Hamilton was target #1, college guys, it’s overt.

    There’s exceptions, the Russell contract looks like a coach-pleaser, but still, all we’re trying to establish is if it looked like there wasn’t a consistency between Chiarelli’s words and his past, and the acquisitions of the org, but there was.

    Honestly I’ve just given up on trying to figure out what they’re going to do until they do it, with regards to this summer. We’re almost there, we’ll see soon.

  134. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: It was the dcorps more than goaltending.

    One is a symptom of the other in a lot of respects.

    The Oilers Corsi/Shot/Changes against/60 were at 15/16 levels this year.

    They entered the season with exactly two top 4 Dmen, Larsson and Klef.Klef got hurt early and Larsson not too much later and everything went off the rails.

    Nurse stepped up, but it wasn’t enough.

    I wrote about Top 4 Dman minutes 2 years ago: http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2016/04/playoff-teams-in-nhl-average-60-of-dman.html

    EDM was no where near where they needed to be.Some of that is injury luck, some the GM.

    Chia getting no cover for the Sekera injury was a massive mistake.

    Lots of VGK with expiring contracts were available as well as 1 year UFAs and he sat on his hands.

    Talbot’s 5v5 SV% last 3 years:

    15/16 .920
    16/17 .929
    17/18 .916

    Not great this year for sure, but wasn’t the biggest reason.Add more shots to a slightly lower SV% and you get 2.59 GA/60 instead of the 2.09 of last year.

    The single biggest culprit was special teams though.

    The 4v5 has gotten much better lately (2nd best in the NHL since Feb 1 due to a structure change) so these numbers don’t look as bad as they were:

    Expected GA/60 4v5

    15/16 6.64
    16/17 7.17
    17/18 8.00

    Actual GA/60 4v5

    15/16 6.53
    16/17 6.38
    17/18 8.65

    There is a very strong argument that Talbot’s 4v5 SV% last year made the PK look much better than it was and it all fell apart this year with the structure allowing 2-1, 3-2 and 2-0 down low like it was their job.

    The Dmen’s 4v5 Expected Goals Against/60 from last year to this tell a compelling story:

    PlayerSeasonxGA/60
    ADAM.LARSSON2016-20177.25
    ADAM.LARSSON2017-20187.50

    ANDREJ.SEKERA2016-20177.08
    ANDREJ.SEKERA2017-20185.86
    (Note: Sekera started playing 4v5 after they moved from the pressure diamond to the passive box and the subsequent drop in goals and expected goals against)

    DARNELL.NURSE2016-20178.07
    DARNELL.NURSE2017-20188.51

    ERIC.GRYBA2016-20176.85
    ERIC.GRYBA2017-20188.97

    KRIS.RUSSELL2016-20177.76
    KRIS.RUSSELL2017-20188.64

    MATT.BENNING2016-20175.12
    MATT.BENNING2017-20186.17

    OSCAR.KLEFBOM2016-20176.96
    OSCAR.KLEFBOM2017-20187.91

    So, that’s my really long winded way of saying “not really” when you say that goaltending was the biggest problem.

    Thanks for the reasoned response to my comment WG. I’m not excusing the defence. I’ve agreed with you in the past that our biggest need is a RHD.

    But Talbot has shown he can play very well with the defence in front of him. Even now he’s on a bit of a heater. I believe his save % is .920 in the last 20 games. It seems like he’s always on some hot streak or cold streak.

    There’s no question the defence has been awful in front of him. And I think he can potentially rebound next year. But we need a good backup behind him, although this should be a relatively easy acquisition. And maybe a different defensive scheme would help too.

  135. BONE207 says:

    OilClog:
    just had a CT scan on the brain yesterday due to being hit head on by a dump truck a few days ago, and inch to the left and that would be it. I haven’t been able to stop pacing around since the accident, now this bus accident I’m pacing around in tears thankful and feeling somewhat guilty. Donate to Humboldt if you can, hug everyone around you to the point they struggle to release your grasp then hug tighter.

    If there is a God and he has compassion, I hope he can help all those affected by the Humboldt tragedy. Also, save a little for OilClog as well. Get well Brother.

  136. rope-a-dope says:

    If indeed there are factions and people pulling in different directions with Oilers management then I suspect Chia has more clout than people are giving credit for. Remember he is Nicholson’s guy, firing him would mean a failure on Nicholson’s part and from everything we’ve heard, it goes Katz, Nicholson in hierarchy.

    He has also brought in one of his own guys in K. Gretzky who was with him in Boston.

  137. who says:

    Oilers really need to lose this game tonight.
    Dropping 3 spots in the draft order is just too big a price to pay for winning 1 meaningless hockey game.

  138. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    rope-a-dope:
    If indeed there are factions and people pulling in different directions with Oilers management then I suspect Chia has more clout than people are giving credit for. Remember he is Nicholson’s guy, firing him would mean a failure on Nicholson’s part and from everything we’ve heard, it goes Katz, Nicholson in hierarchy.

    He has also brought in one of his own guys in K. Gretzky who was with him in Boston.

    Perhaps the new power struggle is between Chief Executive Office & Vice Chair of the OEG Bob Nicholson and the Partner & Vice Chair of the OEG Wayne Gretzky.

    Big Bob’s Burger’s was rarely seen in Edmonton or with the Oilers on the road until a few weeks after Wayne started travelling with the team and was very visible doing it.

    I don’t expect any of the coaching staff to be employed soon and if any are, that’s a tell.

    I expect the Peter is on the clock starting now, and maybe Burger Bob is too?

    This is all speculation with no information, just tea leaf reading.

  139. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    who:
    Oilers really need to lose this game tonight.
    Dropping 3 spots in the draft order is just too big a price to pay for winning 1 meaningless hockey game.

    Someone should shoot a puck at Larsson in the pre-game skate then.

    That would probably do it.

  140. BONE207 says:

    OilClog:
    Someone on the OBC should corner Lobov with some back of the head slaps so McGregor can come smash out the windows with a dolly. While they’re trying to figure out what the fook just happened maybe whatever hockey minds exist in the org can sneak in some right direction change. Worth a shot

    This #1 Bullshit

    Is this the meds, the head or the DofD anger percolating here?

  141. who says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Someone should shoot a puck at Larsson in the pre-game skate then.

    That would probably do it.

    Huh?

  142. BONE207 says:

    JustWatt:
    Based on the verbal (rumors) that there is a split in vision between Chia and TMac I’m starting to think that there are three likely scenarios this off-season (apologies if this has already been laid out this way before):

    1. Chia keeps the job and fires TMac for not running the team the way he envisioned and nearly getting him fired. I’d say this is the most likely scenario. My guess: 50%

    2. Chia is fired and one of the OBCs currently on the payroll take charge, Gretzky/Coffee/MacT, and leave Todd in place. This is the scariest and worst possible outcome. My guess: 35%

    3. Chia is fired and replaced by an outsider who insists on bringing in his own coaching staff and there is a full turnover. I think that this option has the best potential outcome and so of course it won’t happen. My guess: 10%

    Highly unlikely: both Chia and Todd remain another year, 2%.An OBC takes charge of the GM chair and also replaces McLellan with Coffee, 2%. An OBC takes charge of the GM chair and also replaces McLellan with an outsider, 1%. Have I missed anything obvious? Strong disagreements on my percentages I’ve based on nothing more than randomly firing neurons?

    Well…the math works. I personally hope it’s TMac gone if there is truly a tete de tete between him and Chia. We will watch with anticipation for sure. What other fan base gets these up close and personal insights. #becauseoilers

  143. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    CBJ down 2-0 to NSH in the first.

    If CBJ loses and NJD loses they get WSH

    If CBJ loses and NJD wins they get TBY or BOS

    If CBJ wins they get PIT.

    I have CBJ as a very strong team with a good goalie and have them beating both WSH and PIT in the first round.

    If they get TBY or BOS though…….

    Interesting evening.

  144. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    who: Huh?

    If Larsson isn’t playing then EDM will be much worse and probably lose.

    He is the best Dman on the active roster and its not close.

    I could have said McDavid, but that’s too obvious and I don’t want anyone to shoot a puck at McDavid.

  145. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Perhaps the new power struggle is between Chief Executive Office & Vice Chair of the OEG Bob Nicholson and the Partner & Vice Chair of the OEG Wayne Gretzky.

    Big Bob’s Burger’s was rarely seen in Edmonton or with the Oilers on the road until a few weeks afterWayne started travelling with the team and was very visible doing it.

    I don’t expect any of the coaching staff to be employed soon and if any are, that’s a tell.

    I expect the Peter is on the clock starting now, and maybe Burger Bob is too?

    This is all speculation with no information, just tea leaf reading.

    That timeline works with the Katz thing that was brought up in 31 thoughts a couple times… where allegedly a veto was required to save McLellan from a midseason canning.

  146. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    CBJ’s probably still good money vs TBY

    who,

    Yeah, maybe our pal Eberle can help us out here too.

  147. BONE207 says:

    frjohnk: Hard to separate the chaff from the wheat.

    I had heard a rumor a few times over the last while that there were “2 people within” who did not want Hall gone/traded.

    But to be safe.

    Get the largest cannon.Load them all in. Aim at the Sun. Light the fuse.

    As soon as the snow melts, I can pull the Howitzer out from underneath my deck,
    Woodguy, you organize all those pitchfuckers on your lawn to gather up said chaff,
    Padre, you read the last rights…everyone else…start pitching them in. Pouzar, come light the fuse. I somehow know you are a pyromaniac.

  148. ashley says:

    The Oilers have a penchant for going off the board with coaching hires. I don’t think the value of experience should be underestimated for the HC position. This is not the time to break in a new coach to the NHL, or take on one with only a couple of years experience. Ideally, we would get a guy like Hitchcock or Babcock, but since they are employed, we need someone else with reasonable experience. Tippett and Hartley fit the bill.

  149. BONE207 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – I doubt the gig is up, but it is amazing that these two losers, are tho only constant in the DoD, and they are beloved bleeders of Oil.They still have significant roles hockey wise.And we still suck

    – No way Chia alone a) traded Hall, b) traded for Griff (his Hamilton deal was a coup)

    – The two things that he gets criticized the most for, have OBC written all-over them.I bet Hall had no time for those losers,wans’t political in his youth and the OBC were more than happy to shove him

    – And the coach: he didn’t even hire him!

    – If won’t happen, because the MSM and the OBC losers have been together for decades.And Nicholson: he’s a closet Oiler-lover from the golden days.

    – I’d be down for firing Chia and Coach if there was a proper evaluation done by people who aren’t losers.I’m not down for OBC strengting power, throwing GM under the bus, and still there, when they hire a GM better than Chia, and a coach better than Todd

    – I don’t live in Edmonton- Maybe its because I’m not there and I don’t have a connection to those losers, and I have a lot of experience in Management dynamics in smallish owner-structures that I’ve been so anti-OBC, and saw through the BS.It seems it is heresay in Edmonton to suggest that MacT and Lowe are losers that should have been fired years and years aog, not moved up higher and still involved day to day in hockey

    To think that for most of the season I looked at you as the Original Pouzar cheerleader when he wasn’t around. Someone needs a hockey break (brake?)

  150. Bos8 says:

    The “last rights” eh? Maybe, the “last lefts” turn out the lites.

    I know – Spellchecker.

    Just tickled the risibility

  151. rope-a-dope says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Perhaps the new power struggle is between Chief Executive Office & Vice Chair of the OEG Bob Nicholson and the Partner & Vice Chair of the OEG Wayne Gretzky.

    Big Bob’s Burger’s was rarely seen in Edmonton or with the Oilers on the road until a few weeks afterWayne started travelling with the team and was very visible doing it.

    I don’t expect any of the coaching staff to be employed soon and if any are, that’s a tell.

    I expect the Peter is on the clock starting now, and maybe Burger Bob is too?

    This is all speculation with no information, just tea leaf reading.

    That’s a very interesting point about Bob/Wayne and not something I was aware of.

    Agree on the coaching, the reasons have been discussed plenty. And if not Todd, then at least a couple of his guys (whomever is accountable for PP and PK) + the addition of an experienced high quality guy to the Condors in case needed mid of next season.

  152. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    CBJ’s probably still good money vs TBY

    who,

    Yeah, maybe our pal Eberle can help us out here too.

    Yeah CBJ vs TBY is really close

  153. Gerta Rauss says:

    CHI game is a write off now down 4-1 in the 3rd
    NYI trail 3-2 with 6 min to go…even a single point here is good news

  154. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    who:
    Oilers really need to lose this game tonight.
    Dropping 3 spots in the draft order is just too big a price to pay for winning 1 meaningless hockey game.

    In typical becauseoilers fashion, they will win in the most meaningless game of the year, while the other teams lose to maintain their draft position.
    Book it…

    McDavid don’t give two shits about the draft lottery…

  155. Gerta Rauss says:

    Crazy Pedestrian: In typical becauseoilers fashion, they will win in the most meaningless game of the year, while the other teams lose to maintain their draft position.
    Book it…

    It’s heading that way-we’ll be discussing this day years from now

    Late PP for NYI coming up

  156. Gerta Rauss says:

    tie game ..!!!…NYI score late

    *edit-Barzal with an assist and his 85th point…lordy…lol

  157. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    NYI ties it on the PP with 29 seconds left.

  158. Wilde says:

    1 point is all it takes pretty sure

  159. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    NYI to OT.

    EDM cannot catch NYI with a win.

  160. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Tarasenko hurt his ankle in the COL-STL game.

    Not sure if he’s done for the night.

  161. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I think that’s it actually, we’re at 76(+2) they’re at 79 with OTL

  162. who says:

    Woodguy v2.0: If Larsson isn’t playing then EDM will be much worse and probably lose.

    He is the best Dman on the active roster and its not close.

    I could have said McDavid, but that’s too obvious and I don’t want anyone to shoot a puck at McDavid.

    Oh. Okay. Thought there might be a more obscure reason that I wasn’t cluing into.
    I’m just hoping Talbot has his worst game of the year.

  163. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    NJD lose.

    Will now be a first round speed bump to either TBY or BOS.

  164. Lowetide says:

    Islanders win. I believe that means Edmonton will pick 7, 8 or 9 before the lottery. Avs score, 1-0.

  165. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Several weeks ago I said here that the Oilers would pass Chicago on the last day of the season and the Hawks would win the lottery in a repeat of 2007.

    Hmm. Here’s hoping I am wrong.

  166. OmJo says:

    I hated the Sedins, as Canucks. But damn… Seeing those two retire, I think I’m going to miss the Sedin Sisters!?

  167. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Take it back.

  168. Munny says:

    Let’s Go Oilers!!

    *clap clap*

    Might as well keep the same routine…. it has worked so well this dismal winter.

    Btw, it is snowing like hell down here in the Foothills.

  169. OilClog says:

    BONE207: Is this the meds, the head or the DofD anger percolating here?

    LOL alil bit of all 3, plus watching a Khabib interview about the McGregor incident at the time of the post.

  170. Gerta Rauss says:

    Talbot starts

  171. Munny says:

    Can’t get out of the zone already.

  172. Wilde says:

    Someone should splice 97’s first shifts of the game all together.

  173. Pescador says:

    Lowetide:
    Islanders win. I believe that means Edmonton will pick 7, 8 or 9 before the lottery. Avs score, 1-0.

    Oilers will finish 9th
    Draft 10th after the balls drop
    Karma for 2015

  174. BONE207 says:

    Munny:
    Can’t get out of the zone already.

    Proudly inept since game 2

  175. Lowetide says:

    Oilers very loose early. Holy.

  176. Munny says:

    No NHL points? Gaudette sure to score tonight.

  177. Wilde says:

    Lowetide,

    This is some pinball wizardry no doubt.

  178. BONE207 says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers very loose early. Holy.

    Shake what your Momma gave ya

  179. NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers very loose early. Holy.

    Did the Oilers hit the exact game amount for the Montoya deal to become a 4th before he got hurt/shelved for the year? Like not one more game, nor one fewer, but just that amount?

  180. Munny says:

    First decent full shift.

  181. BONE207 says:

    Munny:
    First decent full shift.

    Getting ready for preseason

  182. Pescador says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Did the Oilers hit the exact game amount for the Montoya deal to become a 4th before he got hurt/shelved for the year? Like not one more game, nor one fewer, but just that amount?

    Ellis
    Brossoit
    Crickets

  183. Munny says:

    Good shift from Camo

  184. Wilde says:

    They’re a team in the national hockey league-ing

  185. BONE207 says:

    Munny:
    First decent full shift.

    Hey…don’t you usually head down to the pub when games start circling the drain? What do you do when we want it to flush?

  186. Munny says:

    BONE207: Getting ready for preseason

    They should have a Central Red Army summer.

  187. Wilde says:

    Lowe doesn’t look like he can make plays on the O blueline at NHL speed

  188. BONE207 says:

    Defenceman doing their part…missing the net

  189. Gerta Rauss says:

    NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Did the Oilers hit the exact game amount for the Montoya deal to become a 4th before he got hurt/shelved for the year? Like not one more game, nor one fewer, but just that amount?

    I think the final tally was 8 offical games (more than 30 min)

    I would have liked them to play Montoya down the stretch (including tonight) just to give Talbot some games off but, well, you know…

  190. Munny says:

    Great shift by Gagner.

  191. Munny says:

    BONE207: Hey…don’t you usually head down to the pub when games start circling the drain? What do you do when we want it to flush?

    Only on Saturdays, which works well with the whole Tabernac thing.

  192. BONE207 says:

    Munny: Theyshould have a Central Red Army summer.

    Hauling water & chopping wood? Or skeet shooting deserters & dissidents?

  193. BONE207 says:

    Munny: Only on Saturdays, which works well with the whole Tabernac thing.

    By golly it’s Saturday!!!

  194. Munny says:

    Drai finally finds the trigger.

  195. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Take it back.

    Anything in particular or just my existence?

  196. jp says:

    That was a sick pass by McDavid. Incredible.

  197. Gerta Rauss says:

    The PP comes alive….McPoints!!

  198. BONE207 says:

    PP goal??? WTF

  199. Munny says:

    BONE207: By golly it’s Saturday!!!

    Yup, the tabernac thing should start shortly.

    I’m also being spared Randwarf tonight.

    Be nice too, if I could see across the street in this blizzard.

  200. Munny says:

    Our treasured Jewel lollygags in the corner, leads to a SC against and a penalty kill.

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