You Never can Tell

by Lowetide

The Edmonton Oilers signed Ty Rattie yesterday. It’s a fabulous opportunity for the player, who has been trying to get a regular gig in the NHL since the fall of 2013. Rattie had a rather short audition but the Oilers are bringing him back for 2018-19. He won’t be the only option for McDavid’s right-wing but he will be the most cost effective.

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  • Ty Rattie is an important signing in that it gives some cover for the right-wing position. Plenty of work to do at the position—ideally there’s so much depth Kailer Yamamoto is forced to Bakersfield—and I do think one veteran addition is required at this spot.
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Jujhar Khaira are listed here as left-wingers, possible based on the team’s current depth chart. That leaves an opening at 4C, Bob Stauffer has been mentioning Derek Ryan quite a bit this spring.
  • Edmonton needs more forwards who can play successfully away from the puck. Remember Radek Dvorak? Fernando Pisani? Shawn Horcoff? A couple of those forwards will help this group enormously.
  • I’m not against acquiring a RHD this summer, I just think the cost will be too dear.

PROJECTED 2018-19 OPENING NIGHT ROSTER

  • The McDavid line appears here as it ended the season. I’m not certain Rattie can hold the job and the organization will likely attempt to add a veteran, but the signing makes a lot of sense even if the trio lasts 25 games next season. Edmonton needs to find as many skill guys who can play with 97 as possible—and paying them less than $1 million a year is ideal.
  • The Draisaitl line should be able to push the river, I’d look for two new linemates for the big man. His passes are sublime, ideally the team could find a shooter to run with him. James Neal? JVR? I don’t think the Oilers have enough heavy heavy fuel to get that done.
  • The Strome line as above is intriguing, they just didn’t score enough. Ideally, one of McDavid or Draisaitl takes Puljujarvi under their wing beginning in the fall. JP has responsibility too, of course, I wonder how great the disconnect between player and coaches on the calibre of his shot. JP can hammer it but takes a lot of time to release. Is there a way to speed it up?
  • Klefbom—Larsson is a strong combination because the two men complement each other’s skills. Larsson can shut it down and Klefbom can lug that puck out with style.
  • Nurse—Benning would be my choice for second pairing, at least until Sekera establishes he’s back to 100 percent. I’m not sure Nurse can anchor a second pairing but he had several months of quality play in 2017-18.
  • Sekera—Russell would be a strong third pairing if Rej is healthy, in my opinion. Sekera has taken a lot of criticism for his 5×4 play but he’s terrific with fewer men on the ice. I think he and Klefbom can probably handle the power play minutes next season and would rather see that tried than some wacky trade for a RHD with power-play chops.
  • Cam Talbot should regress but I would get him a strong option to serve as insurance and perhaps push the starter.

CONDORS WIN!

Bakersfield ended its season last night, in the last couple of weeks the team found the range offensively and made the playoff race interesting. Some strong performances last night from prospects:

  • Joe Gambardella scored again, added an assist and finishes his rookie pro season 50, 13-6-19. He has a strong two-way reputation and the late season offensive spark breathes some life into his prospect status.
  • Dmitri Samorukov had an assist, finishing 5, 0-2-2 in his audition. Samorukov was drafted out of the OHL, so will be heading back to junior next season. Based on reports, he looked very capable at the AHL level. A good arrow.
  • Cooper Marody played well enough to create a buzz among Oilers fans currently. He finished 1-2-3 and was dangerous in each game. Like Gambardella, we should at least allow for the possibility he spends some time in Edmonton next season.
  • Tyler Vesel doesn’t have a contract but showed well (11, 3-3-6) in his pro audition. All three goals came in the final four games, suggesting he found the range. I wonder if the Oilers attempt to sign Vesel to an AHL deal.
  • Ethan Bear had two assists, finishing his AHL rookie season 37, 6-12-18 (NHLE: 19.4). I think he’ll start next season in the minors but there’s a player here. I love his passing ability 5×5, was less enamored with the power-play work, although relying on a rookie to fix an addled power play is a poor idea. I’m pleased with his season.
  • Laurent Brossoit stopped 22 of 23 last night and finishes the year 29, 2.68 and 9.12. I have zero idea what the plan might be for Brossoit and what the player might want for his own future.
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Mr DeBakey

That leaves an opening at 4C, Bob Stauffer has been mentioning Derek Ryan quite a bit this spring.

Edmonton needs more forwards who can play successfully away from the puck. Remember Radek Dvorak? Fernando Pisani? Shawn Horcoff? A couple of those forwards will help this group enormously.

Ryan and Blake Comeau.
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=9190

Strome at 3C for $3MM does not sound like a winning strategy.

Confused

Like most of the shopping list, but for me another goalkeeper is priority 1. KHL so cap only. Bob keeps making similar statements.

Goalie, fix PK (Ryan) ……..and do we have any cap left?

Kassian for a winger, minimise cap

Russell for a RHD, minimise cap

Even this sounds very tight.

Woodguy v2.0

The Strome line as above is intriguing, they just didn’t score enough.

As individuals Khaira, Strome and JP didn’t score enough, but their micro-sample as a line is intriguing.

They played 28 minutes together as a trio (micro sample)

CF% 52
SF% 63%
GF% 100 (4-0)
SH% 23.5%
SV% 100
PDO 1235

So 4 goals for in 28 minutes, which translates into 8.57/60, so they will be the best line in the history of hockey.

Its all obviously sustainable and McLellan should be fired for not seeing it earlier.

Seriously though, that’s an intriguing line.

ArmchairGM

Slepyshev is conspicuously absent from your lists above. Have the KHL rumours been confirmed?

Woogie63

No Slepyshev, has he left? Or do we not resign him?

ArmchairGM

Mr DeBakey:
That leaves an opening at 4C, Bob Stauffer has been mentioning Derek Ryan quite a bit this spring.


Edmonton needs more forwards who can play successfully away from the puck. Remember Radek Dvorak? Fernando Pisani? Shawn Horcoff? A couple of those forwards will help this group enormously.

Ryan and Blake Comeau.
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=9190

Strome at 3C for $3MM does not sound like a winning strategy.

What does Vermette *spits* at 1 x $1M look like as a 4C option? Best faceoff guy in the league, but can he play?

ArmchairGM

Lowetide: No, I’m just using logic and established past. They don’t love him like they love Caggiula.

I see. And another thing – I’ve noticed that you generally put Safin on the left wing, is there a specific reason for that? I thought he plays RW.

ArmchairGM

Need more skill on the wing? Bear and a 2019 2nd will bring back Athanasiou.

OriginalPouzar

Signing Vesel should be a no-brainer – not sure why he wouldn’t get a true ELC as opposed to an AHL deal.

ArmchairGM

When Gambardella signed last year I had visions of him running an energy / checking 4th line in the NHL next October – with Caggiula and Kassian. Not sure that’s realistic now, but I still think those guys could create havoc with their energy game.

Victoria Oil

Looking at LT’s projected roster, I see cap room of $2.3 million (80-77.7). This includes potential bonuses of $2.5 mln for JP and $0.2 mln for Kailer. With this in mind, we should be comfortable going right up to the cap because the bonus allowance should offset other contingencies. I will add an adjustment of $0.2 mln because I hope Chiarelli wouldn’t give Strome more than $3 mln. This leaves us at $2.5 mln for upgrades at F, D or G or changing Nurse from an assumed bridge at $3.3 mln to something longer term. Trading Strome or Kassian could give us more flexibility. Hopefully one of Russell or Sekera could be moved in the summer of 2019. Overall, not great but all is not lost.

Confused

Woogie63,

Bloggers who follow the KHL claim he has agreed terms with CSKA Moscow. Not idea if they are correct.

dustrock

Just saw the Deadspin article on the Oilers not firing Chiarelli. Certainly seems like we are the laughing stock of the league and I’m not sure the organization necessarily understands that.

I was thinking last night that Chiarelli has lucked or been clever enough to pick jobs where the teams are already loaded with elite talent.

He has never been in a position where he has had to acquire elite talent.

He maybe brought Chara with him, but Chara was UFA and then the Bruins already had Bergeron Marchand Krejci etc in the system.

Wheeler was only there because he didn’t want to play for the Coyotes.

Kessel, Wheeler, Seguin out. People brought in were of lesser quality and/or older.

Comes to the Oilers who are gifted McDavid and already had Hall, Nuge, Draisaitl etc.

Out go Hall, Eberle, Schultz, players brought in were of lesser quality and/or.older.

I can’t think of a single trade Chiarelli has ever made where he has brought in a more talented player.

So now we are trusting him to bring in talent on the wings and D.

Imagine if you had a team that didn’t already have elite talent to work with. What’s Chiarelli’s track record and why would you hire him?

Kinger_Oil.redux

Westchester Oil,

– Yes – makes sense. I don’t why Kailer, would be pegged as the RW2, while Pool is RW3

– For the team to be really humming, you have to hope that Kailer and Pool can play top-9 in the next 2 seasons (Kailer, on a speedy skill soft line should and Pool is decent 5×5 scoring already)

– And you need to hope that Jar can be a top-9 guy

– You also need another D to emerge from within the org next 24 months

– Sure sign Vanek or Cammi, but you aren’t going to win with them IMO…

– And of course you need to know Lucic

*I wonder if MacT is a Burgundy or Bordeaux guy? I guess Burgundy. Probably nothing under a hundo either: only the boss’s good stuff

– Myself, I’m a Bordeaux guy: I got spoiled as a student dong a Masters in Paris: drank amazing Bordeaux for like 25 Francs (like 6 bucks). If I was splurging: for 50 Francs you could get a monster Bordeaux. Then when I moved back to Canada, for 50 bucks you get sh$t Bordeaux!

Pescador

Lowetide: No, I’m just using logic and established past. They don’t love him like they love Caggiula.

Thank you for posting the projected Cap roster, couple of minor quibbs;
Kassian for future considerations, much as I like Zack $2 mL fourth line winger is not a luxury the Oilers can afford.
Cagguila, I wouldn’t pay him a cent more than Rattie.
Strome $2.75 or less or bye.
That’s an additional $2.6 M in cap savings
Although I believe Darnell’s new contract will eat up an additional $1M above the $3.3 M that you projected

Oilman99

Westchester Oil,

We need to make enough room to add a trigger man for Drai that can score twenty goals atleast. Secondary scoring is of the utmost importance.

Oilman99

Pescador: Thank you for posting the projected Cap roster, couple of minor quibbs;
Kassian for future considerations, much as I like Zack $2 mL fourth line winger is not a luxury the Oilers can afford.
Cagguila, I wouldn’t pay him a cent more than Rattie.
Strome $2.75 or less or bye.
That’s an additional $2.6 M in cap savings
Although I believe Darnell’s new contract will eat up an additional $1M above the $3.3 M that you projected

Kassian has lost focus again,does not bring it every game,time to move on.

Woodguy v2.0

Got some WoodMonies from G on EDM Dcrorpse for this past season.

WARNING: This post will be a wall of data.

TOI % VS ELITE FORWARDS
Adam Larsson 35.8%
Darnell Nurse 35.4%
Oscar Klefbom 32.0%
Kris Russell 31.5%
Ethan Bear 31.0%
Eric Gryba 29.7%
Matt Benning 24.9%
Yohann Auvitu 19.5%
Andrej Sekera 19.3%

DFF% VS ELITE FORWARDS
Eric Gryba 59.6
Yohann Auvitu 56.2
Oscar Klefbom 52.4
Matt Benning 51.9
Darnell Nurse 48.9
Adam Larsson 48.6
Kris Russell 45.4
Andrej Sekera 36.0
Ethan Bear 35.3

GF% VS ELITE FORWARDS
Eric Gryba 83.3 (5-1)
Yohann Auvitu 76.9 (10-3)
Darnell Nurse 56.2 (18-14)
Matt Benning 55.6 (15-12)
Adam Larsson 52.0 (13-12)
Oscar Klefbom 51.5 (17-16)
Kris Russell 44.8 (13-16)
Ethan Bear 40.0 (2-3)
Andrej Sekera 12.5 (1-7)

Overall the Dcorp did decent to well vs Elite Forwards.

Don’t get too excited about Gryba & Auvitu here, they had all of 80 & 82 minutes vs Elite Fs

Pretty sure the main reason was McDavid’s deployment vs Elites so let’s not get too excited here.

TOI % vs MIDDLE FORWARDS
Yohann Auvitu 44.3%
Ethan Bear 43.3%
Matt Benning 41.0%
Andrej Sekera 40.5%
Oscar Klefbom 39.3%
Kris Russell 37.9%
Darnell Nurse 37.2%
Adam Larsson 36.2%
Eric Gryba 35.7%

DFF % vs MIDDLE FORWARDS
Darnell Nurse 55.7
Oscar Klefbom 53.3
Adam Larsson 52.3
Kris Russell 50.4
Matt Benning 50.3
Yohann Auvitu 48.2
Eric Gryba 48.1
Ethan Bear 47.7
Andrej Sekera 46.0

GF% vs Middle Forwards
Matt Benning 64.3 (18-10)
Darnell Nurse 58.0 (29-21)
Adam Larsson 55.6 (20-16)
Yohann Auvitu 50.0 (7-7)
Oscar Klefbom 45.7 (16-19)
Kris Russell 43.6 (17-22)
Andrej Sekera 42.9 (3-4)
Ethan Bear 33.3 (3-6)
Eric Gryba 30.0 (3-7)

DFF doesn’t match the GF% well, but both match the eye in overall ranking imo. Even with the added information of shot location shot metrics will overrate shot volume simply because you’re counting shots.

Goals are notoriously noisy in small samples too. The truth lies somewhere in-between imo and these are more guide posts down the path of information until we get more data. (pre-shot puck movement, screens etc)

TOI% vs Gritensity Forwards
Andrej Sekera 40.2%
Yohann Auvitu 36.3%
Eric Gryba 34.6%
Matt Benning 34.1%
Kris Russell 30.6%
Oscar Klefbom 28.6%
Adam Larsson 28.1%
Darnell Nurse 27.4%
Ethan Bear 25.7%

DFF% vs Gritensity Forwards
Adam Larsson 57.2
Oscar Klefbom 55.1
Darnell Nurse 54.3
Kris Russell 52.9
Yohann Auvitu 51.5
Matt Benning 51.2
Eric Gryba 48.9
Andrej Sekera 44.5
Ethan Bear 33.6

GF% vs Gritensity Forwards
Darnell Nurse 50.0 (19-19)
Yohann Auvitu 50.0 (8-8)
Eric Gryba 50.0 (6-6)
Matt Benning 41.0 (16-23)
Adam Larsson 40.6 (13-19)
Kris Russell 39.4 (13-20)
Oscar Klefbom 36.7 (11-19)
Ethan Bear 25.0 (2-6)
Andrej Sekera 15.8 (3-16)

GF% goes right off the rails here.

I wonder how much of that was the shittiness of the bottom 6 and the fact that the bottom 6 got pounded in the first two months?

Here’s some key bottom 6 Goals For – Goals Against from Oct 1 – Nov 25th
Player GF GA
MARK LETESTU 1 7
JUSSI JOKINEN 1 4
MIKE CAMMALLERI 1 4
DRAKE CAGGIULA 5 15
IIRO PAKARINEN 1 2
KAILER YAMAMOTO 2 4
ZACK KASSIAN 3 5

That was…uhhh, quite the start by a few players.

Anyhow, I haven’t dug too deep into this and just wanted to share it as I know some here like to see this stuff

Confused

Woodguy v2.0,

Question: based on the numbers would you offer OV2 a one-way contract?

Cassandra

dustrock:
Just saw the Deadspin article on the Oilers not firing Chiarelli. Certainly seems like we are the laughing stock of the league and I’m not sure the organization necessarily understands that.

I was thinking last night that Chiarelli has lucked or been clever enough to pick jobs where the teams are already loaded with elite talent.

He has never been in a position where he has had to acquire elite talent.

He maybe brought Chara with him, but Chara was UFA and then the Bruins already had Bergeron Marchand Krejci etc in the system.

Wheeler was only there because he didn’t want to play for the Coyotes.

Kessel, Wheeler, Seguin out.People brought in were of lesser quality and/or older.

Comes to the Oilers who are gifted McDavid and already had Hall, Nuge, Draisaitl etc.

Out go Hall, Eberle, Schultz, players brought in were of lesser quality and/or.older.

I can’t think of a single trade Chiarelli has ever made where he has brought in a more talented player.

So now we are trusting him to bring in talent on the wings and D.

Imagine if you had a team that didn’t already have elite talent to work with. What’s Chiarelli’s track record and why would you hire him?

Great post. And it goes to show what we’ve come to learn. Peter Chiarelli doesn’t think talent wins hockey games.

As Willis put it at the beginning of the year, the plan was to build Lemaire’s Wild with McDavid.

That is why we are here. Nicholson said we have to stick to the plan. This is where we are going to be forever. Even the good version of this plan is terribly disappointing.

All the talk of the OBC is just deflection from this plan.

Cassandra

I will be shocked if Nurse is paid 3.3 million.

tileguy

Why do all our lines have to be projected? Must the first 25 games of next year be about shuffling line combinations? Allow me to project our record for the first 25 games, 12-13.

Woodguy v2.0

Confused:
Woodguy v2.0,

Question: based on the numbers would you offer OV2 a one-way contract?

League minimum as a #7 yes

Based on the eye test too.

Chaos in his own zone, but the man moves the puck north enough to make up for it

The calculation is always create minus give up

Rondo

2 possible 1st rd picks for the Oilers playing today.

Joe Veleno

Barrett Hayton

Woogie63

Dallas is not going to sit still, is Julias Honka aiming high enough?

godot10

///JP can hammer it but takes a lot of time to release. Is there a way to speed it up?//

How did that work out for Eberle?

JP has a good shot, but he is NOT a “shooter” per se. He is an all-around offensive forward. Recognize what a player is. Don’t try to make him something he isn’t. He isn’t Laine. If the coaching staff and some bloggers stopped trying to turn him into Laine, maybe he would have a better chance of reaching his potential as Hossa-lite.

For Puljujarvi to succeed as a player, he is going to be lugging it a fair amount. He needs to touch the puck, and move with it.

Younger Oil

If you view Nuge and Draisaitl as centers, we don’t have a single winger who would be in the Top 6 of a playoff team.

That is without a doubt one of the worst lineups in the entire NHL. If McDavid gets injured I’d wager that is THE worst lineup in the NHL. Just imagine where we would be if we didn’t win that lottery.

Chiarelli has absolutely fucked this team with brutal trades and a failure to evaluate the direction that the league is going. This team isn’t anywhere close to being a playoff team, and Chiarelli has pissed away the assets that could have changed that.

godot10

If Rattie plays 20 games or more on McDavid’s win and plays there for anything other than injury purposes, the Oilers are probably not making the playoffs. The guy is not remotely good enough in his own end to play with McDavid.

The Oilers had a better player than Rattie in Pitlick, and didn’t offer him a contract. Pitlick is a better player than Kassian too.

Death By Misadventure

Rondo:
2 possible 1st rd picks for the Oilers playing today.

Joe Veleno

Barrett Hayton

Oh man, I hope not. If we’re maxing out at a Barrett Hayton, I hope we just trade the pick.

Scungilli Slushy

Hat tip to WG (wooden hat of course)

Player ReIT CF% ReITGF%

Maroon 1.87 2.09
Slepyshev 1.34 1.95
Lucic 1.33 -.52
Strome .96 .27
JP .79 1.29
Khaira .06 -5.14
Caggiula -4.05 -10
Aberg -4.29 8.7
Rattie -5.27 .98

Listed in order of ReIT CF% because larger sample. I set it at 100 minuters to get Rattie in there.

This is a small sample however it lines up with what I see. Whatever metrics the Oilers are using seems to value the wrong players. Of course offense is needed, but not owning the puck won’t lead to the desired outcome in the long run.

Maroon is probably a better bet than Rattie in the NHL if he’s affordable. Valuing Slepy less than the other young guys looks like a mistake, I agree.

JP is as good player and should play with skill. Get him set right off the ice in the off season. To me it seems the biggest issue, affecting his confidence. He needs to get settled and get comfortable in Edmonton and with English.

Khiara is a fine bet for the bottom 6 and filling in. Strome at the right salary helps, but his offense will not likely improve at this point IMO and he shouldn’t be paid for futures.

They definitely need some capable possession players to cover the bottom 3. That can keep up and still play. Cammalleri was -3.36 ReIT CF%. I wouldn’t go there despite his IQ, the tank is pretty empty at this point for him. Not a fit with the Oilers, even if he can play still, they need more from a vet.
** 2017-2018 5v5

Woogie63

Cassandra: Great post.And it goes to show what we’ve come to learn.Peter Chiarelli doesn’t think talent wins hockey games.

As Willis put it at the beginning of the year, the plan was to build Lemaire’s Wild with McDavid.

That is why we are here.Nicholson said we have to stick to the plan.This is where we are going to be forever.Even the good version of this plan is terribly disappointing.

All the talk of the OBC is just deflection from this plan.

9/10 hockey games there is just as much talent on the other team. So talent isn’t enough to win the NHL. There can’t be a disagreement on this

russ99

Cassandra: Great post.And it goes to show what we’ve come to learn.Peter Chiarelli doesn’t think talent wins hockey games.

As Willis put it at the beginning of the year, the plan was to build Lemaire’s Wild with McDavid.

That is why we are here.Nicholson said we have to stick to the plan.This is where we are going to be forever.Even the good version of this plan is terribly disappointing.

All the talk of the OBC is just deflection from this plan.

Talent alone doesn’t always win. There’s lots of cases in the history of the sport where a team playing like a team beats raw talent.

Ideally we need a mix of both. Hence LT’s forwards who play well away from the puck comment.

Woodguy v2.0

Woogie63:
Dallas is not going to sit still, is Julias Honka aiming high enough?

He’s not as good as Benning imo and has been more sheltered

Georges

dustrock:
Just saw the Deadspin article on the Oilers not firing Chiarelli. Certainly seems like we are the laughing stock of the league and I’m not sure the organization necessarily understands that.

I was thinking last night that Chiarelli has lucked or been clever enough to pick jobs where the teams are already loaded with elite talent.

He has never been in a position where he has had to acquire elite talent.

He maybe brought Chara with him, but Chara was UFA and then the Bruins already had Bergeron Marchand Krejci etc in the system.

Wheeler was only there because he didn’t want to play for the Coyotes.

Kessel, Wheeler, Seguin out.People brought in were of lesser quality and/or older.

Comes to the Oilers who are gifted McDavid and already had Hall, Nuge, Draisaitl etc.

Out go Hall, Eberle, Schultz, players brought in were of lesser quality and/or.older.

I can’t think of a single trade Chiarelli has ever made where he has brought in a more talented player.

So now we are trusting him to bring in talent on the wings and D.

Imagine if you had a team that didn’t already have elite talent to work with. What’s Chiarelli’s track record and why would you hire him?

Good grief.

PC was hired by the Bruins on May 26, 2006.

Bergeron was already playing for the Bruins and had scored 73 points in 81 games in 05-06. So he was there when PC arrived and he was already scoring like a star. Check.

Krejci was a 63rd overall pick in 2004. He was in the system. Check. He played 6 games and scored 0 points with BOS in PC’s first season, Krejci’s draft+3. He played 56 games and scored 27 points in his draft+4. He was sent down for another AHL stint that season. In his draft+5, he played 82 games with the Bruins and scored 73 points. His eliteness had finally arrived… under PC’s watch.

Marchand was drafted (!) by PC in round 3 of the 2006 draft, 71st overall. His first full season with the team was in 2010-11, the Cup winning year, Marchand’s draft+5.

Tim Thomas was a 32 year old goaltender who had just played 38 games in 2005-06. He had outperformed Andrew Raycroft, the team’s incumbent from the season prior to the lockout. On June 24, 2006, PC traded Raycroft to the Leafs for the rights to Tuukka Rask. That effectively made Thomas, the 32-year-old with 42 games of NHL experience the team’s starter. Two big bets that both paid off big for PC’s team.

Take a look at the rest of Boston’s 2010-11 Stanley Cup winning roster:

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20102011&seasonTo=20102011&gameType=3&playerPlayedFor=team.6&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,assists

From what I can see, PC acquired every other player on that roster besides Bergeron, Krejci, and Thomas. But you may be right. He lucked into a team loaded with elite talent and put his feet up (or dithered) until they won a Cup. I suppose that’s another reading of the available information.

Tesla's Hair

Lowetide: It’s a talking point. If we don’t have talking points, chaos ensues and people talk about demon liquor and Napoleon. Can’t have that.

Joker: “‎Introduce a little anarchy and red wine summits. Upset the established draft order, and everything becomes chaos. I’m an agent of chaos, coaches challenges, demon liquor and napoleon. Madness, as you know, is like gravity, all it takes is a little push”

on the other side of Edmonton

Batman: Alfred where are those flame-retardant talking points that I ordered?

Alfred: Here they are Master Bruce. Its too bad we need these, I guess some men just want to watch a blog burn. (sigh)

Commissioner Gordon: Lighting The Lottery Signal

Gordon: McDavid is the hero Edmonton deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

frjohnk

Woodguy v2.0,

Thanks for the Woodmonies.

Do you have WOWYs with Woodmonies?

Interested to see our D without McDavid.

godot10

Georges: Good grief.

Marchand was drafted (!) by PC in round 3 of the 2006 draft, 71st overall. His first full season with the team was in 2010-11, the Cup winning year, Marchand’s draft+5.

Officially, Chiarelli had to agree to be quarantined from any involvement in the Bruins June 2006 draft as a league condition on his hire from the Bruins from the Senators. So technically and officially, Marchand was picked without any input from Chiarelli.

Scungilli Slushy

Woodguy v2.0,

Thanks

Georges

godot10: Officially, Chiarelli had to agree to be quarantined from any involvement in the Bruins June 2006 draft as a league condition on his hire from the Bruins from the Senators.So technically and officially, Marchand was picked without any input from Chiarelli.

Sure. Because that’s how it works.

Brantford Boy

deardylan,

Nice…

So it is you, DEARDYLAN is BRUCE WAYNE!!!

SwedishPoster

Lowetide: It’s a talking point. If we don’t have talking points, chaos ensues and people talk about demon liquor and Napoleon. Can’t have that.

Mmm demon liquor…

jm363561

Much to the disappointment of some fans only minor changes were made to last year’s roster, and the major change was moving out Eberle, who had been no screaming contributor. So what happened?

Goal tending and special teams are generally agreed to have been major reasons for the season implosion – on the coaches. Several players performed very poorly compared to last season – on the coaches much more than Chiarelli I would say. Tactics, selection and motivation of the team have received less comment but I would say they were issues – on the coach. Injuries, illness, personal issues, etc. played a part – ce sera.

You can debate Chia’s performance for sure but the (very reasonable) criticisms do not explain why a young, largely unchanged, SC favoured roster tanked. On Blender Todd IMHO. I buy the whole continuity thing but that ship has now sailed. TMac should have gone.

P.S. Do the Gryba contract and Pouliot buy out not affect the cap?

leadfarmer

Woodguy v2.0: He’s not as good as Benning imo and has been more sheltered

The question isnt where is he now. Its where is he going to be in two years. These young d can go from attainable to will not trade within a season. He’s not the first young D to not work well with Hitch. If the price is reasonable I think I would go for it especially that we really could use a dman in the Brandon Montour Matt Dumba mold and anyone established will cost assets we cant afford to lose and cap space we dont have. The guys we want we cant get, the guys we get we dont want.
But in my mind this team is not really competitive for 3 years.

digger50

Oilman99: Kassian has lost focus again,does not bring it every game,time to move on.

Kassian can play, we know he can play. He can play RW better than anyone else on the roster. (At this time)

However, coach has him pigeon holed as 4th line, never to move again. And Tmac does not value Kassians game. He does not use him, does not know how to motivate him.

If Tmac is back, sure move Kassian because he won’t be used- and watch him excell in another city.

who

godot10:
///JP can hammer it but takes a lot of time to release. Is there a way to speed it up?//

How did that work out for Eberle?

JP has a good shot, but he is NOT a “shooter” per se.He is an all-around offensive forward.Recognizewhat a player is.Don’t try to make him something he isn’t.He isn’t Laine.If the coaching staff and some bloggers stopped trying to turn him into Laine, maybe he would have a better chance of reaching his potential as Hossa-lite.

For Puljujarvi to succeed as a player, he is going to be lugging it a fair amount.He needs to touch the puck, and move with it.

Man this is so true. It’s amazing people can’t see this.
This guy is not Laine. He is not an elite first shot scorer.
But he could be the defensive equal of Hossa with more offense and puck possession. He has the potential to be a great puck transporter out of his end and through the neutral zone. Better than Nuge and maybe better than Drai.

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Georges: Sure. Because that’s how it works.

Reminds me of people that think teams follow the UFA rules, like they actually start interviews with UFAs after draft day, and they actually negotiate/draw up the contracts for UFAs on July 1 and don’t do anything beforehand.

digger50

Thoughts on Adam Mascherin?

Not going to play for Florida and going back into the draft this year. Cost Florida a second round pick in 2016. Would they take a third round pick to recoup costs? Or teams just wait for the draft if they want him?

Smaller scoring winger with lots of game.