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by Lowetide

Last summer, during my “The Davenport Hotel” look at every Oilers prospect and where they were heading in 2017-18, I wrote the following about Jesse Puljujarvi:

  • Destination 2017-18: NHL from the start, if he scores well he’ll be here until 2030 and beyond. Peter Chiarelli wants Jesse Puljujarvi in the everyday lineup and inside the top 9F. No doubt in my mind based on Edmonton’s moves this week. If Puljujarvi can score 20 goals this coming season, the Oilers will have made the right bet all down the line. Source

That was July 3, and at the end of the month (during my RE series) I projected Puljujarvi to score 14 goals and 28 points in 65 games with Edmonton. The big Finn played in exactly 65 games, scored 12 goals and 20 points.

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There are all kinds of good arrows for Jesse Puljujarvi, here are a few:

  • His 10 5×5 goals rank him No. 5 among Oilers forwards.
  • His .74 goals per 60 at 5×5 ranks him No. 4 among Oilers forwards (200+ minutes).
  • Led Oilers forwards in shots per 60 (200+ minutes) with 9.27.
  • Led Oilers forwards in rebounds created per 60 (200+ minutes) with 1.25.
  • Natural Stat Trick

Edmonton needs JP to emerge as a quality NHL player, whatever that may be in his case. I’ve said all along we might be looking at a quality scorer or a quality two-way outscorer, but whatever that looks like the club needs him pushing every night beginning in October. Puljujarvi after two seasons has a lot in common as an offensive player with the good (Mike Cammalleri, Jaden Schwartz, Ryan Johansen, Mikael Granlund) and the not so good (Taylor Pyatt, Nikita Filatov, Alex Nylander). A big year ahead. I have Rob Vollman on the Lowdown today to discuss Puljujarvi’s comparables and possible future.

HERE COMES THE SUN (REVISITED)

Every draft morning since the McDavid edition I publish a “Here comes the Sun” post. It includes my rankings for that draft, a few notes and basically serves as a comment post until the team makes a selection. I’m not sure the Oilers will pick on the Friday night but I’ll continue the tradition in the hopes the teams adds to a list that includes Connor McDavid, Jesse Puljujarvi and Kailer Yamamoto.

Today, I’d like to go back to that list of 150 players from a season ago and see the names who didn’t get picked, and if they still warrant draft consideration.

  • No. 68: RD Artyom Minulin, Swfit Current Broncos (WHL). Big defender, math liked him and the verbal on his coverage was solid. He had the identical season with Swift Current and remains eligible for this season.
  • No. 72: L Jacob Tortora, U.S. National Deveopment Team (USHL). Speedy skill winger lacked size and little else. He moved on to Boston College (34, 6-7-13) and is draft eligible.
  • No. 74: L Kevin Hancock, Owen Sound Attack (OHL). He had a fine offensive season and repeated it this year. Small and skilled, he’s a guy who probably gets a contract if he doesn’t get drafted.
  • No. 77: R Emil Oksanen, Espoo (Mestis). Skill winger, another math darling and he moved over to North American for 2017-18. He played for the Regina Pats (58, 16-32-48) and he might get drafted this summer.
  • No. 95: L Ivan Kosorenkov, Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL). Offensive winger from Russia, average in size but a 34-goal score in 2016-17. Scored 36 this season.
  • No. 96: LD Rickard Hugg, Leksands (SuperElite). Intelligent two-way defender, he moved over to North America (Kitchener) this season and played well.

There are more from my list of one year ago, we’ll touch on those names before draft day. Among the group listed here, I would suggest Kosorenkov and his goal scoring prowess would rank as the most likely player to be chosen this time.

-Stuart Skinner-

WHAT ABOUT A GOALIE?

Edmonton has been drafting goalies often since Peter Chiarelli arrived in 2015 (three in three years) and maybe we’ll see it again. There’s a bottleneck forming with Dylan Wells and Stuart Skinner both turning pro this fall, Edmonton may want to draft a goalie who is potentially five years out like Purpura on the list below.

  1. Jakub Skarek, Jihlava (Czech). Big goalie, calm feet and plays angles well.
  2. Oliver Rodrigue, Drummondville (QMJHL). Athletic butterfly goalie (via Elite Prospects). Outstanding at U18’s.
  3. Lukas Dostal, Brno (Czech). Average size, less developed than Skarek.
  4. Olof Lindbom, Djurgardens (SuperElite). Great glove, he’s a July 2000 so one of the youngest goalies in this draft.
  5. Christian Propp, North Bay (OHL). Played well after trade in front of a chaotic team.
  6. Justus Annunen, Karpat (Sm-Liiga Jr). Good size, calm, big. Good numbers.
  7. Roman Durny, Des Moines (USHL). Not much on him, good numbers going back awhile.
  8. Vincent Purpura, Omaha (USHL). Hugh goalie, .916SP, off to Boston College eventually. Fits Oilers at this position because he is a draft and follow (heading to college 2019).
  9. Joel Hofer, Swift Current (WHL). Solid rookie season for the Broncos.
  10. Keegan Karki, Muskegon (USHL). Big goalie had more buzz about him a year ago, consistency may be an issue.

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At some point, blaming the players simply isn’t enough. The failure of Edmonton’s procurement department over many years includes bad bets and obscure alternatives, but holy lord these kids died on the vine 10 at a time in the AHL. Godspeed, Jay Woodcroft, there has to be a better way. I suggest playing these prospects. Crazy train idea, maybe it works.

STORY/NOT A STORY

I’ve been hesitant to write about this because it isn’t a story and probably won’t be one, but it could be. Kind of like an offer sheet. Edmonton has four men (Milan Lucic, Andrej Sekera, Cam Talbot and Kris Russell) with varying degrees of no-trade clauses. All spring (and probably all summer) we have to tack on a line to any trade idea that says “and maybe one of the NTC’s will agree to a move” because it’s out there.

There’s a lot of evidence piling up now. Edmonton spent $2.5 million on a backup goalie, the Darnell Nurse contract could go well into the $4 million+ range per season, we don’t know what the costs are on Ryan Strome. I posted two distinct rosters yesterday, one that brought everyone back and another that sent away several players. At this point, I wonder who is leaving.

Oscar Klefbom? Cam Talbot? Andrej Sekera? Milan Lucic? Kris Russell? I think that’s the list folks, from what I can see. Or they can buy out Sekera or Russell. I believe my math is correct here, Oilers have to send away at least one $4 million man in order to get things done. The absolute tightest screw they could manage would be Nurse bridge, Strome one year, trading Oscar for a similar cap hit and let the river run on right wing. That’s not Chiarelli’s style.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy Thursday on the show, all kinds of happenings. TSN1260, 10 this morning, scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouth Sports. Winnipeg Jets are rocking in the playoffs, best analysts, Jays hanging in.
  • Corey Graham, Oil Kings PBP. Oil Kings have the No. 1 overall pick in today’s WHL bantam draft, do they make the pick or deal it?
  • Rob Vollman, NHL.com and ESPN. We’ll talk Jesse Puljujarvi and his future.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Capitals-Penguins may be flipping the script.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. 90 minutes!

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Munny

OriginalPouzar: Of course there is no assurance, there never really is, however there are bets that are more solid than others and a bet on a 30 year goalie that has never been an NHL player (4 games a decade ago notwithstanding) is a risky bet as compared to those with established track records in the NHL (i.e. Halak).

$2.5M is an egregious amount to spend given the cap structure of the team and the lack of cap space – for a goalie with no NHL track record?Sure, that’s what it took to get it done I guess. The other option is to walk away but Chia has proven he doesn’t do that when he has a target. It was May 2 fro crying out loud – there are numerous back-up goalie options with NHL track records – many of which would not have cost $2.5M. That cap hit has no fit in the realm of reasonableness.

We obviously are assessing the risk differently. And egregious is far too strong a word in any case.

IMO, a proven starter from the best league not the NHL in the world, is less risk than an AHL starter, NHL backup or an NHL goalie who has difficulty in the starter hole. Your mileage obviously varies.

Also you’re making judgments with partial information. Your assumptions may prove correct, but right now we have no info on other teams interested, scouting reports etc.

Wilde

Also a note on the talk about how you can’t stockpile talent and keep it in the cap era.

Yes you can, here’s how:

Keep your draft picks.

The more talented depth you have, the more you can push talented players down the depth chart, and give their agent less to bargain with in raw point totals.

Examples from Vegas all over… William Karlsson plays the third line In Columbus again this year, scores 20 goals, how much does he get in his next contract?

Wilde

OriginalPouzar,

I have the same takeaways from the Michigan games, where I was more watching for Quinn Hughes but Marody and his line(which he drove, imo) showed very well.

I have no idea how he went in the 6th round, honestly. Teams like Winnipeg who like the American kids are laughing, here’s their USHL haul from 2015 alone:

#17 – Kyle Connor
#25 – Jack Roslovic
#78 – Erik Foley
#168 – Mason Appleton

Connor scored 31 goals this year, Roslovic would have played 82 gams on the Oilers, Foley is Providence College’s leading scorer, Appleton is a 61 pts in 71 games in the AHL 6’2″ RHD on a stacked Moose team that’s gunning for the championship.

OriginalPouzar

Wilde:
Looking at past USHL draft crops, Cooper Marody shows very well in his draft season amongst other U18 talents like Kyle Connor and Brock Boeser.

Like that trade a lot.

Yes, it was an un-hearadled move at the time but it looks good now. I watched 3 Michigan games after the trade and was very impressed with Cooper. He has nice skill (better than I thought he’d have) and is a smart player that can play in all situations (PK, defending a lead, down a goal, etc.).

We don’t know how that will translate to pro hockey and if it ever translates to the NHL but he showed very well in his few games for the Condors down the stretch. Got on the scoresheet and, from accounts, was the best player on the ice in a couple of the games.

We’ll see what happens at camp but he has an outside shot at competing for a 4C spot if an outside acquisition is not made.

Wilde

Looking at past USHL draft crops, Cooper Marody shows very well in his draft season amongst other U18 talents like Kyle Connor and Brock Boeser.

Like that trade a lot.

Bank Shot

Crazy Pedestrian: Winnipeg gave their NTC/NMC to players all deserving of them, and none of those players seem to be hindering them as a team at all. (Unless someone smarter then me can point them out with the math and stuff) and has a balanced roster with good depth throughout the roster.
I’m not a Winnipeg fan, btw… I’m actually hoping they regress next year (along with those pesky golden knights)so the oilers stay in the playoff race…

I’ll be shocked if Byfuglien isn’t a boat anchor by the end of his contract.

flyfish1168

Scungilli Slushy: I agree and would like to add that in a capped league recovery is possible if things go right.

We’ll assume normal management. In an open market league the most money wins. In a capped league you can’t accumulate excess top talent and keep it.

It is possible to recover with some finds like Benning, smart lower end UFA signings and good drafts in the shorter term.

I don’t think the Oilers are hooped but by track record don’t think the decision making will magically improve. Chia says he needs to be better, maybe he will do it. He’s smart enough, is he humble enough to see his shortcomings and improve or hand those things off to someone better at them.

I can’t agree with you about PC being smart or humble enough. He was in same situation back in his bruin days. This is his 2nd CAP go around and he looks to have phucked it up again. Never learned a thing from his 1st experience. JMHO but that is called stupid. If he is fired he probably won’t get another chance at a GM position after making same mistake twice.

ArmchairGM

OriginalPouzar: I’m not comparing it to the other trades but, in itself, its a bad contract. No, it won’t have long-term debilitating effects directly but there is a chance it could indirectly as it further reduces our cap space and solidifies the requirement to send cap out in any additional transaction – this could potentially lead to a transaction where a Klefbom is shipped out to open up cap space.

We had a back-up goalie for $1M.Now we have another back-up goalie for $2.5M and we aren’t even assured that we’ve made an improvement.

I was one that didn’t think this team could afford to pay more than $1.5M for a back-up goalie but, if management was going to commit to such a cost, I would have thought they’d go with an established NHL goalie, not a magic bean.

Well said – it’s the domino effect of the contract that worries me.

OriginalPouzar

I am one that didn’t want to spend more cap on a back-up goalie – sure, I would have liked a substantial back-up/1B type goalie, however, our cap structure, our very limited cap space with the need to improve in a couple areas, led me to think that we didn’t have the luxury to improve at the back-up goalie position.

I agree with the above post, if management was going to commit $2.5M to this position, an extra $1.5M, I would have thought the player bet on would be a more established NHL goalie. If the bet was going to be so high risk like this one is (we have no idea if this guy is capable of being an NHL back-up), the cost should have been nominal – see Pavel Francour.

Also, there is risk here. We know that Chia is going to be looking to improve materially in certain other areas and, with this signing, he has further decreased any cap space to so in to the negative. This seemingly minor overpay could lead to the disposition of a material/substantial/core player in order to open up cap room for his “big acquisition”.

ArmchairGM

Woogie63: My point is the money spent on the keepers is basically the same.They were expecting Mason to have the year Helleybuck had.

$2.5 on a “back-up” screams “if you have to ask the question” about Talbot in a much more mature manner.

If Talbot or Brossoit put the question out the management mind down the stretch the Oilers don’t have to go spend $2.5M on another goalie.But current three have too many questions.

I don’t mind Chairelli spending $2.5M on a 1B, but I want something more than a wing and a prayer for my money, thanks.

who

JimmyV1965: This is what I find absolutely hilarious. A year ago at this time you would need a high powered nuclear microscope to find any Chevy supporters out there. He signs Mason for $4.1 and he immediately poops the bed. Helly finds his game, the Jets perform like they should and everyone with the Jets is now a genius.

I dunno.
I’ve liked Winnipegs team for a few years now. I have friends who felt the same way. Could never figure out why they didn’t have a better record. Turns out all they needed was a goalie. And for more of their young talent to mature.
Should be a lesson in here for Oiler fans and managements. Stockpile young talent (keep your draft picks), exercise some patience, and get a goalie.
I don’t mind the bet on Koskinen. It’s a gamble. But so is expecting an NHL backup to carry a team. And that’s the position we are in with Talbot. He might be real good next year, or he might be just like last year. The fact is that in 2 of his 3 years here he’s needed another guy to carry the mail for a while. Nilsson did that early in his first year. No one stepped up last year.
So we signed Koskinen. He’s either a solution or a short term problem.

OriginalPouzar

Munny: There is never any assurance of upgrade by pretty much any goalie–except for the very elite–when we’re only talking about one season.They’re all capable of an off year.

He’s as good a bet as any.The K is the best league in the world after the NHL.He’s proven he can handle a starter’s role–the pressure, the physical grind, etc–and be successful in that league.That places him ahead of AHL starters and most NHL backups, IMO.If a GM isworried about what will happen if Talbot continues to go south or gets injured for any serious stretch…

AHL starters we seem to have in spades. In fact, I’d guess that the organization has given up on LB with this signing and Mikko is insurance in case TBot’s play removes him from future plans.Or he out-performs TBot and becomes a cheaper option going forward.

We have no idea what the Oiler scouts and goaltending coaches think of Koskinen. We have no idea if there were other teams made offers and what those were.

Goaltending can kill a season, even with a superstar on the team.I don’t mind this move.It was the weakest position on the team this past year.Money well-spent.Does that mean a cap move is coming? Very likely, but let’s see this play out.

Do they keep Inigo and waive him into the minors?Do they sail on LD?Is Kassian gone? (I actually doubt this one. Chia loves size and speed).Klefbom/Sekera?

Weird fact… Rolie and Montoya played 20 each for the Isles in 2010-11 when Koskinen got into his only four NHL games.I expect we’ll be traded DiPietro’s contract at the draft.

Of course there is no assurance, there never really is, however there are bets that are more solid than others and a bet on a 30 year goalie that has never been an NHL player (4 games a decade ago notwithstanding) is a risky bet as compared to those with established track records in the NHL (i.e. Halak).

$2.5M is an egregious amount to spend given the cap structure of the team and the lack of cap space – for a goalie with no NHL track record? Sure, that’s what it took to get it done I guess. The other option is to walk away but Chia has proven he doesn’t do that when he has a target. It was May 2 fro crying out loud – there are numerous back-up goalie options with NHL track records – many of which would not have cost $2.5M. That cap hit has no fit in the realm of reasonableness.

OriginalPouzar

JimmyV1965: The Hall trade and the Reinhart trade had long-term debilitating affects on this team. The Koskinen signing not so much. $1 mill in extra cap space can easily be overcome. I don’t think we were getting a backup for $1 mill so I don’t believe it cost us $1.5 mill.

I’m not comparing it to the other trades but, in itself, its a bad contract. No, it won’t have long-term debilitating effects directly but there is a chance it could indirectly as it further reduces our cap space and solidifies the requirement to send cap out in any additional transaction – this could potentially lead to a transaction where a Klefbom is shipped out to open up cap space.

We had a back-up goalie for $1M. Now we have another back-up goalie for $2.5M and we aren’t even assured that we’ve made an improvement.

I was one that didn’t think this team could afford to pay more than $1.5M for a back-up goalie but, if management was going to commit to such a cost, I would have thought they’d go with an established NHL goalie, not a magic bean.

rickithebear

All you NFL guys.
I have used PFF when it was in blog periphery from day 1.
It mirrored my process of performance grading realative to competition
And
Repeatability.

Most football writers are out to lunch.

Players must fit scheme and upgrade weakness.

Detroit Lions fan.
Worst run yards in league.

Pick 20 Ragnow
Top 2 Center grades in pff era. Playing in SEC
0 sacks allowed.
Break evens or wins vs top SEC zero & 3 techniques.

Pick #43 k. Johnson.
#5 ranked RB.
Leading rusher SEC
3 down ability
Hold read back ( identifies correct hole)
Elite 10 yd ( hole burst)
Elite 20yd (2nd level burst)
No top end ( but elite edge speed)

#153 Crosby LT
PFF #1 run block tackle
0 sacks allowed
Pac12 Ozl voted by peers.

#237 Bawden FB
Lead blocker for FBS leading rusher 2 years in a row.
Low miss block rate

BASE REPEATABLE PERFORMANCE!

Ribs

Gus Dickus: Yeah, only 3 guys going to east west this year though. I think the program is starting to come back to earth with the resurgence of the UofA, which has basically cut their recruiting pool in half. Alberta actually has more players going to East West than Calgary.

Their box last year was possibly the best I’ve seen at the CIS level. The DL was fantastic, then Rowe and Teitz right behind them. Sort of surprised Krahn went so high, but Ciraco and Sceviour are guys who should be longtime CFLers. Probably all Aholes though.

I’m hoping to get transferred back to Edmonton this year, partly because the Bears are starting to look really good. Chris Morris is creating an OL factory, and it is an incredible climb back to respectability. I played for the Bears way back in the day, and it tore me up to see what they turned into. I’ve sponsored the team for the last while due to how influential Morris is. Awesome to see guys getting drafted, winning major awards, getting NFL interest, and scholarly achievements in addition to the minor on field success. The last time I was at Foote Field was in 2011, and it was abhorrent from the way the players and coaches acted to the facilities to the performance. It was the last game of the season, and they lost 67-3 to Saskatchewan. 5 minutes after the game, I bumped into a group of 5ish players on their phones and talking about where they were gonna be partying that night. Embarassing.

Honestly one of the biggest turnarounds I have seen in sports. Hopefully the Oilers can do something similar. I would love to get back into coaching with that program.

Thanks, Gus. I have no clue who any of the players are that get drafted every year into the CFL. TSN announces trades for picks every year like they are mammoth deals, and I don’t see it. It’s nice to get a little insight into these picks from you!

Maybe the CFL could do a better job of highlighting these guys before the draft. This is kind of a hush-hush league and there are times when I love that about the CFL, but other times I feel it’s a detriment to it’s rise in popularity/success.

Munny

OriginalPouzar: This doesn’t change the fact that the Oilers had extremely limited cap space to improve the team for this coming season, actually next to no cap space, a total inability to improve externally without disposing of material cap – the manager then committed an extra $1.5M to the backup goaltender position with absolutely no assurance of an upgrade at the position.While Koskinen willvery likely be gifted the roster spot, I wouldn’t be surprised if Montoya is every bit as good in camp (if not better).

There is never any assurance of upgrade by pretty much any goalie–except for the very elite–when we’re only talking about one season. They’re all capable of an off year.

He’s as good a bet as any. The K is the best league in the world after the NHL. He’s proven he can handle a starter’s role–the pressure, the physical grind, etc–and be successful in that league. That places him ahead of AHL starters and most NHL backups, IMO. If a GM is worried about what will happen if Talbot continues to go south or gets injured for any serious stretch…

AHL starters we seem to have in spades. In fact, I’d guess that the organization has given up on LB with this signing and Mikko is insurance in case TBot’s play removes him from future plans. Or he out-performs TBot and becomes a cheaper option going forward.

We have no idea what the Oiler scouts and goaltending coaches think of Koskinen. We have no idea if there were other teams made offers and what those were.

Goaltending can kill a season, even with a superstar on the team. I don’t mind this move. It was the weakest position on the team this past year. Money well-spent. Does that mean a cap move is coming? Very likely, but let’s see this play out.

Do they keep Inigo and waive him into the minors? Do they sail on LD? Is Kassian gone? (I actually doubt this one. Chia loves size and speed). Klefbom/Sekera?

Weird fact… Rolie and Montoya played 20 each for the Isles in 2010-11 when Koskinen got into his only four NHL games. I expect we’ll be traded DiPietro’s contract at the draft.

Biggus Dickus

Lowetide: Calgary killed the draft. God.

Yeah, only 3 guys going to east west this year though. I think the program is starting to come back to earth with the resurgence of the UofA, which has basically cut their recruiting pool in half. Alberta actually has more players going to East West than Calgary.

Their box last year was possibly the best I’ve seen at the CIS level. The DL was fantastic, then Rowe and Teitz right behind them. Sort of surprised Krahn went so high, but Ciraco and Sceviour are guys who should be longtime CFLers. Probably all Aholes though.

I’m hoping to get transferred back to Edmonton this year, partly because the Bears are starting to look really good. Chris Morris is creating an OL factory, and it is an incredible climb back to respectability. I played for the Bears way back in the day, and it tore me up to see what they turned into. I’ve sponsored the team for the last while due to how influential Morris is. Awesome to see guys getting drafted, winning major awards, getting NFL interest, and scholarly achievements in addition to the minor on field success. The last time I was at Foote Field was in 2011, and it was abhorrent from the way the players and coaches acted to the facilities to the performance. It was the last game of the season, and they lost 67-3 to Saskatchewan. 5 minutes after the game, I bumped into a group of 5ish players on their phones and talking about where they were gonna be partying that night. Embarassing.

Honestly one of the biggest turnarounds I have seen in sports. Hopefully the Oilers can do something similar. I would love to get back into coaching with that program.

Biggus Dickus

Sorry to spam the thread, but this was my first year seriously following the CFL draft. Was pretty fun due to the lack of information in the mainstream, so I had to do all my own research. Would recommend it for people who liked the mystique of the NHL draft in decades past.

Scungilli Slushy

JimmyV1965: The Hall trade and the Reinhart trade had long-term debilitating affects on this team. The Koskinen signing not so much. $1 mill in extra cap space can easily be overcome. I don’t think we were getting a backup for $1 mill so I don’t believe it cost us $1.5 mill.

I agree and would like to add that in a capped league recovery is possible if things go right.

We’ll assume normal management. In an open market league the most money wins. In a capped league you can’t accumulate excess top talent and keep it.

It is possible to recover with some finds like Benning, smart lower end UFA signings and good drafts in the shorter term.

I don’t think the Oilers are hooped but by track record don’t think the decision making will magically improve. Chia says he needs to be better, maybe he will do it. He’s smart enough, is he humble enough to see his shortcomings and improve or hand those things off to someone better at them.

flyfish1168

JimmyV1965: This is what I find absolutely hilarious. A year ago at this time you would need a high powered nuclear microscope to find any Chevy supporters out there. He signs Mason for $4.1 and he immediately poops the bed. Helly finds his game, the Jets perform like they should and everyone with the Jets is now a genius.

These guys are in the business where people only remember ” What have you done for me lately”. If you are in a Canadian market, the fans will remember every little mistake you make and will remind you daily. Canadain MSM the sports pages will have hockey as the number 1 topic and headline. Canada is a Hockey crazy country. Some players like it and some can’t handle the heat.

Biggus Dickus

In garbage time now, but I don’t love taking an AUS kid. It’s below some CJFL teams in terms of quality of competition. If I were to grab an AUS player, he would have to be a physical freak.

Sean Stenger kicks one hell of a ball. Would be a nice grab. Maybe Van Pelt. Part of the stacked Dinos DL.

Scungilli Slushy

Chevy torpedoed his team by not finding adequate goaltending and this season got lucky.

Shero wasted years of Crosby Malkin with unstable goalering.

Chia has wasted a year of Connor doing same.

The biggest need next season is at least league average goalering and normal stable systems play. The roster is adequate given those things.

A few successful adds on that and you have a dangerous team.

JimmyV1965

OriginalPouzar:
I still have the same optimistic attitude but that will never stop me from being critical of moves I don’t agree with and I think this was a terrible signing.

I don’t agree that its “meh” – it would be “meh” if our cap situation wasn’t so dire but it was dire before the signing and worse now.

Even before the signing, the team could not improve via acquisition without disposing of cap and now its even moreso and there is a reasonable chance that they didn’t even improve.

Yes, of course, I’m hoping that Koskinen is the next coming of Kiprusoff but he is a 30 year old unrpoven netmider that will be gifted the 2G roster spot when he should be competing with Montoya for it for a cap hit of $1M or less.

Essentially, the GM committed an extra $1.5M (that we don’t have) and potentially didn’t even improve the team.

The Hall trade and the Reinhart trade had long-term debilitating affects on this team. The Koskinen signing not so much. $1 mill in extra cap space can easily be overcome. I don’t think we were getting a backup for $1 mill so I don’t believe it cost us $1.5 mill.

Munny

JimmyV1965: This is what I find absolutely hilarious. A year ago at this time you would need a high powered nuclear microscope to find any Chevy supporters out there. He signs Mason for $4.1 and he immediately poops the bed. Helly finds his game, the Jets perform like they should and everyone with the Jets is now a genius.

Precisely.

JimmyV1965

Woogie63: What is the major difference between Winnipeg roster this year vs. Last year?

Hellybuck at .924 SAV% vs. Tire fire in goal last year?Is probably more important than any balanced line up…

This is what I find absolutely hilarious. A year ago at this time you would need a high powered nuclear microscope to find any Chevy supporters out there. He signs Mason for $4.1 and he immediately poops the bed. Helly finds his game, the Jets perform like they should and everyone with the Jets is now a genius.

Biggus Dickus

And they take a midget RB who is incredibly slow and is a bandaid. Highly decorated CIS player, but I don’t think he is a next level player. Simon would be a better guy to take a shot on since he is hidden behind Picton and the highly passed biased Regina Rams. Better athlete.

Biggus Dickus

Who’s the joker at the CFL? How are there only 69 picks? That isn’t divisible by 9. Clowns.

OriginalPouzar

I still have the same optimistic attitude but that will never stop me from being critical of moves I don’t agree with and I think this was a terrible signing.

I don’t agree that its “meh” – it would be “meh” if our cap situation wasn’t so dire but it was dire before the signing and worse now.

Even before the signing, the team could not improve via acquisition without disposing of cap and now its even moreso and there is a reasonable chance that they didn’t even improve.

Yes, of course, I’m hoping that Koskinen is the next coming of Kiprusoff but he is a 30 year old unrpoven netmider that will be gifted the 2G roster spot when he should be competing with Montoya for it for a cap hit of $1M or less.

Essentially, the GM committed an extra $1.5M (that we don’t have) and potentially didn’t even improve the team.

Biggus Dickus

Shit, Lawrence goes to Calgary one pick before Edmonton drafts. Krahn is nowhere near the same skill level.

JimmyV1965

OriginalPouzar: This doesn’t change the fact that the Oilers had extremely limited cap space to improve the team for this coming season, actually next to no cap space, a total inability to improve externally without disposing of material cap – the manager then committed an extra $1.5M to the backup goaltender position with absolutely no assurance of an upgrade at the position.While Koskinen willvery likely be gifted the roster spot, I wouldn’t be surprised if Montoya is every bit as good in camp (if not better).

What’s up OP? You’ve lost that optimistic attitude I so enjoyed. You’ve been very critical of a deal that is basically meh. Ya $2.5 mill is another overpayment, but it’s only for one year. Finding a backup goalie was the biggest need heading into the offseason. It was also the easiest need to fill of course. I would have preferred Reimer or Ward at $1.5 mill, but we got the big Euro instead. In the end, we overpaid by $1 mill for a goalie Chia sees as his new Tim Thomas. If Koskinen falls on his face, Chia is out of a job and we can start tearing apart his replacement. Seems like a win-win to me.

Biggus Dickus

Ok. They picked one of my guys.

Biggus Dickus

Boston Rowe would be a good pick. Also like Justin Lawrence, Atlee Simon, and Tanner Green would be a nice FB prospect.

OriginalPouzar

– getting rid of RUSSEL what’s the net improvement for next year?I don’t get it

Still having 3 legit 3LD that are better than him and opening up $4M to acquire a true 2RD.

Biggus Dickus

Not loving the Eskimos draft so far. Not a big Oneyeka fan. Simonise would have been a nice add, but a guy busted for roids shouldn’t even be in the draft imo. Dubois was a freak at the combine, and would have been an interesting pick. Tietz will play, but another Canadian LB probably doesn’t help us that much.

Petermann was a monster at the combine as well, but I’m not sure he is as good in game. I think Oneyeka would have been a good pick (the other one), or Marcus Davis is a stud but is a bandaid.

I don’t love the new GM.

who

Kinger_Oil.redux: – look at his contract. He is traceable next year and he only costs 1.5mm in his last year

– people don’t like it but there was a logic to his deal. If there are 5 d better than him at the end of next year guys with his profile get moved all the time.

– he is not blocking anyone he does things the team needs.

– he’s not a difference maker nor a boat anchor. He’s a little expensive

– getting rid of RUSSEL what’s the net improvement for next year?I don’t get it

Russell is way down the list of Oiler problems. I don’t know why everyone fixates on him.
He was easily one of our top 4 dmen last year and will be leaned on again next year. If someone passes him on the depth chart, and you want to save some money, you can trade him or Sekera next summer.
If you can’t trade him and don’t want to protect him just buy out the last year of his contract. It won’t be that expensive.
Biggest problems facing the Oilers are the Lucic contract and the steep drop off in proven talent up front after you get past the big three.

Kinger_Oil.redux

Jaxon: Therein lies the rub. He will never be “easily moved”. His NMC will make him very difficult to move as the expansion draft approaches. Next summer he adds a Modified No Trade Clause to his contract where he has to name 10 teams he can be traded to. But his No MOVE clause remains until the end of his contract. Right now, I think he’s at best #4 (Nurse, Larsson, Klefbom) or #5 (Sekera) and maybe even #6 after Benning on Edmonton’s blue. On most teams in the NHL he is a #4,5 or 6 (an expensive one at that).So, if you’re a GM with 3 good D, are you going to trade for a $4M Russell and his NMC which means you’ll have to protect him and give up one of your top 3?

– look at his contract. He is traceable next year and he only costs 1.5mm in his last year

– people don’t like it but there was a logic to his deal. If there are 5 d better than him at the end of next year guys with his profile get moved all the time.

– he is not blocking anyone he does things the team needs.

– he’s not a difference maker nor a boat anchor. He’s a little expensive

– getting rid of RUSSEL what’s the net improvement for next year? I don’t get it

Woogie63

Crazy Pedestrian: Winnipeg gave their NTC/NMC to players all deserving of them, and none of those players seem to be hindering them as a team at all. (Unless someone smarter then me can point them out with the math and stuff) and has a balanced roster with good depth throughout the roster.
I’m not a Winnipeg fan, btw… I’m actually hoping they regress next year (along with those pesky golden knights)so the oilers stay in the playoff race…

What is the major difference between Winnipeg roster this year vs. Last year?

Hellybuck at .924 SAV% vs. Tire fire in goal last year? Is probably more important than any balanced line up…

Scungilli Slushy

Jaxon: Therein lies the rub. He will never be “easily moved”. His NMC will make him very difficult to move as the expansion draft approaches. Next summer he adds a Modified No Trade Clause to his contract where he has to name 10 teams he can be traded to. But his No MOVE clause remains until the end of his contract. Right now, I think he’s at best #4 (Nurse, Larsson, Klefbom) or #5 (Sekera) and maybe even #6 after Benning on Edmonton’s blue. On most teams in the NHL he is a #4,5 or 6 (an expensive one at that).So, if you’re a GM with 3 good D, are you going to trade for a $4M Russell and his NMC which means you’ll have to protect him and give up one of your top 3?

If a GM needs D and values a player more than what he has it can be done. Lots still value shot blocking and heart. And Russell / Sekera are mobile so fit the current game. Sekera has considerable skill.

They can also be traded for a lower price as they were signed UFA so had no asset cost. Not ideal for me but at least not as damaging as trading a drafted player for a bag of pucks.

Jaxon

I will say this about Vegas’ success. It will be easier for teams to ask players to waive their NMC so they don’t have to be protected in the expansion draft. Suddenly, going to an expansion city doesn’t seem like the death penalty it once was. Seattle will be (might be?) instantly competitive, too. They have a great model to copy and a system set up to help them succeed.

Jaxon

Kinger_Oil.redux: – when better d emerge he is easily moved. But that’s a year away imo

Therein lies the rub. He will never be “easily moved”. His NMC will make him very difficult to move as the expansion draft approaches. Next summer he adds a Modified No Trade Clause to his contract where he has to name 10 teams he can be traded to. But his No MOVE clause remains until the end of his contract. Right now, I think he’s at best #4 (Nurse, Larsson, Klefbom) or #5 (Sekera) and maybe even #6 after Benning on Edmonton’s blue. On most teams in the NHL he is a #4,5 or 6 (an expensive one at that). So, if you’re a GM with 3 good D, are you going to trade for a $4M Russell and his NMC which means you’ll have to protect him and give up one of your top 3?

OriginalPouzar

Taking away his cap hit (which can’t really be done), Russell is fine as a 3LD who can move up to 2LD in case of injuries.

Where he is not fine is the right side in the top 4 where, unfortunately, he has spent the majority of his time as an Oiler.

The priority this season needs to be filling the 2RD spot with an actual right shot D that can move the puck – in fact, that is the only material acquisition I want them to commit to.

OriginalPouzar

Lowetide:
For The Athletic: Can Brad Malone find a role with the Edmonton Oilers?

https://theathletic.com/339708/2018/05/03/lowetide-can-brad-malone-find-a-role-in-the-nhl-with-the-edmonton-oilers/

By Brad Malone, do you mean Cooper Marody?

Kinger_Oil.redux

Woodguy v2.0:
Kinger_Oil.redux,

– All of Sek, Lucic Russel and Talbot are bona-fide NHL’ers. All but Russel dissappointed last year

Russell’s On ice GF% 44.7% – 6/8 on team
Russell’s On ice Relative Team mate GF% -4.95% 6/8 on team

Just curious what your bar for “Russell disappointed me” is.

Sure for 4mm there are some better d in the league and some worse

– RUSSEL played virtually every game this year he was I think our 2nd highest point getter he played a lot of minutes and he played up and down the roster and left and right

– sure there are some stats that cast him in a poor light and some that are more favourable (cf fenwick toi)

– shi?timg on RUSSEL is just code for sh(ting in chia. Which is fine.

– as a 4 5 d that gets asked to do more than most d on this team and for 4mm you could cherry pick a bunch of d in the league that would help.

– according to staples chances metrics he isn’t bad

– of all the things that ail this team his bit of extra money and bit of extra term don’t matter. I’d rather RUSSEL than Lowe Simpson auvitu bear 19 minutes a night.

– when better d emerge he is easily moved. But that’s a year away imo

– I don’t see how you pick 3 stats and passive aggressive mock me.

– His GA/60 5×5 is better than Klef, Sek, Benning, Auvitu, Lowe, Bear

– He’s a better PK defender than Nurse, Larsson, Klef

– Sure he’s not perfect, but he isn’t the problem at all, not even close with this D or this team right now.

Biggus Dickus

I wish I worked with the Oilers, just so I could observe what they think. I imagine the Moneyball scene with the scouts, but stupider, and there is no Billy Beane in the room.

Rondo
OriginalPouzar

Woogie63:
Capfriendly

Edmonton
Talbot $4.16M
Koskinen $2.5M
Montoya $1.0

Winnipeg
Mason $4.1M
Hellebuyck $2.25
Hutchinson $1.150

Chevy is a genius, patient GM
PC is killing the team

This doesn’t change the fact that the Oilers had extremely limited cap space to improve the team for this coming season, actually next to no cap space, a total inability to improve externally without disposing of material cap – the manager then committed an extra $1.5M to the backup goaltender position with absolutely no assurance of an upgrade at the position. While Koskinen will very likely be gifted the roster spot, I wouldn’t be surprised if Montoya is every bit as good in camp (if not better).

Crazy Pedestrian

Woogie63: Hmmmm

Winnipeg has 7 NTC/NMC
Edmonton has 4 NTC/NMC

Winnipeg had 6 ELC All had great years
Edmonton had 6 ELC 2 had great years

Winnipeg gave their NTC/NMC to players all deserving of them, and none of those players seem to be hindering them as a team at all. (Unless someone smarter then me can point them out with the math and stuff) and has a balanced roster with good depth throughout the roster.
I’m not a Winnipeg fan, btw… I’m actually hoping they regress next year (along with those pesky golden knights) so the oilers stay in the playoff race…

SwedishPoster

So I thought I’d Close the book on the Swedish draftees I didn’t have time for in my last post, it wil be more brief this time as some of these guys are players I’ve researched a little less.

Marcus Westfält C/W(LHS)
Tall, 6’3, and lanky forward who mostly plays center in juniors but has been used as a winger in the SHL and often with the NT. Looks real skinny on the ice so I was surprised to see he was over 200 lbs, might very well end up playing at 220+ when fully grown,, I think he could be one of those kids who just packs muscle but stays lean. I was impressed when I saw him in the SHL about midseason, ok straight line but not the smoothest skater, nice hands and can both shoot and set up teammates but most of all a really smart player, impressive decision making for a kid his age. Earlier in the season he played D for his SHL team in the Champions HL and handled it surprisingly well, especially considering he was a 17 year old forward playing out of position. I thought he was just ok at the U18s and what little I’ve seen of him in the U20s it felt like he maybe played down to his teammates level, his production has been solid in juniors though. I think he’s a sure bet to be an NHLer, how good of an NHLer will depend on how much he can improve his skating

Dominik Bokk, W(RHS)
The most talented german since Leon, probably the second best german prospect of all time after Leon tbh. Came over from the german junior system to Sweden for this season and the idea was to play him in the U20 team, maybe even give him time with the U18 if the step up in competition was tough. He instead came in and ripped up the U20, got inte 15 SHL games and didn’t look out of place at all, if he hadn’t been part of the SHL champions Växjö’s org he would probably have. gotten a bigger role in the SHL but the men’s team was pretty stacked with SHL standards (they beat Filip Berglund’s Skellefteå team 4-0 in the final series with a total score of 20-1, they absolutely demolished them and they were dominant the whole year).
Anyways he’s a skill player, great skater, really quick release, filthy hands, playmaking ability. Needs to work on defense, positioning, consistency, knowing when to make the easy and when to make the difficult play. When looking for a comparable it gets pretty obvious how easily bias clouds our mind because I come up with a mix between David Pastrnak and Kevin Fiala, both who just happen to have been guys who came from other countries to play Swedish juniors. But he’s got the slipperiness and quick feet of Fiala and the wrister and goalscorer’s touch of Pastrnak. Not saying he’ll absolutely end up at the level of either of those players but that’s what I think of when I see him.
First rounder, no doubt in my mind and what’s intriguing with him is that he came from a lower level League so there could be some untapped potential, just look at Drai’s trajectory after coming over to the CHL. The plan for Bokk was actually to go the CHL route as well, but he wanted to play in the OHL and when he got drafted to the WHL(Prince Albert Raiders, Another Leon Connection) he decided that it was better for him to continue his development in the Swedish junior system instead.

Samuel Fagemo, W(RHS)
This quick winger plays for Frölunda, he has a really good wrister, has scored well in the U20 League, quick first few steps but his top speed is just ok to good, Pretty skilled with the puck and has that jack in the box ability of goalscorers to just show up in the right spot. Plays with intensity but I think a guy with his skill should be making plays more consistently. He’s also really frustrating at times, not very smart with the puck, has a tendency to just skate right into opponents and lose the puck, has flashes of creativity but there’s a little too much straight lines and junior decision making that won’t fly at a higher level. He got into two SHL games this season, according to his coach he could’ve gotten a few more games but they wanted him to stay in juniors to develop his offensive game instead of getting used as a grinder in the SHL which is probably smart, if devloped right there’s enough of a skillset to make him a player but he could also end up as nothing more than an SHL journey man and bottom sixer if he can’t work out the glitches in his game. I think Fagemo is a worthwhile pick in the back half of the draft since there is a good set of skills and also enough intensity and grit to play him in different roles if he can’t play higher in the line up.

David Gustafsson C(LHS)
Had a strong season as an SHL regular, which in itself is a feat, especially considering he held a spot as an actual center, put up 12 pts in 45 games which is solid for a 17 year old in that league. Very defensively responsible for such a young player, good playmaking center but won’t make the spectacular play, not the most dazzling hands but really good puck control and strong on the puck not very dynamic and needs to up his skating, works really hard on the ice. Think he’s been captain for several of his junior teams.

Oskar Bäck C(RHS)
Center with good size,almost 6’3, ok junior production has mainly been grinding in low SHL minutes, defensively responsible, ok hands and pretty good shot, needs to work on agility, ok straight line skater. Very well liked by the U18 NT coaches.

Lukas Wernblom, W/C(LHS)
Small center/winger, though likely a winger at the pro level. 5’9 but tough kid who never backs down, battles hard, fast skater, works hard all over the ice, ok to good hands, shot and vision. Looks good against junior players, was pretty hyped up a few years ago but can’t piss a drop against men despite pretty ok ice time in allsvenskan, there’s a pretty good risk he’s a Sebastian Collberg, great junior player, mediocre at the pro level. His stock has crashed the last 2 years, he was seen as among the best -00 born Swedish forwards then, now there’s doubt if he’ll even get drafted. Maybe someone takes a late round flyer on him. He has some skill and a lot of heart so there’s no doubt he’ll work hard towards the NHL.

Marcus Karlberg W(RHS)
Tiny, 5’8, really skilled, good hands, good skating and excellent agility, quick shot and nice vision. Defense ain’t good. Started the season great but slowed down somewhat later in the year. His big obstacle is physical, needs to improve his strength and overall physique. Will stay with Leksand and will probably get a regular spot with the Allsvenskan team which is likely a great spot for his devlopment, played two games and scored one goal in allsvenskan this season. At that size he’s a longshot in the NHLer but as a late round pick up I think could end up as real good value, will certainly have a good career in the euro Leagues if he won’t cut it in the NHL.

David Lilja C/W (LHS)
Another smaller forward, listed 5’11(but looks shorter) and just 168 lbs. I haven’t seen much of him but caught him early in the year with his allsvenskan team and he looked pretty good, great vision, good hands, ok skater though not quite the top speed you’d like for a kid at his size. He scored pretty well in allsvenskan early but barely at all during the second half, his team was pretty terrible though so that might have been a reason. They’re a smaller club so their junior team is in a lower tier jnuior league, he played 3 games there and went 2 ppg. Iliked what I saw early in the year better than what I saw from him during the U18s where he showcased some skill but was usually fairly anonymous and inefficient. Another kid you pick up in the last couple of rounds and hope his physique catches up and let’s him use his skill better more efficiently. Will also play in Allsvenskan next season.

Carl Wassenius C(LHS)
Oct 99 born center who I have seen the least of all these players. Good size, 6’2, scored like crazy at the U18 level last year, put up good but maybe not brilliant numbers again this year at the U20 level and turned it on during the playoffs with 12 pts in 7 games and overall great play. Playmaker but can finish as well, what little I’ve seen he’s really good at shielding the puck, great balance but needs to improve his first steps as well as his top speed. Despite his scoring throughout the years he’s never gotten any NT call ups at any level. If you look at his stats he looks like bona fide NHL prospect, I wish I had seen him more because I’d like to know why noone really talks about him or why he hasn’t gotten at least one shot with any of the youth national teams. I’d pick him late in the draft on his scoring prowess alone tbh.

That’s all we have time for folks. I’m surely forgetting someone but this will be it for the forwards.
I did the D and a bunch of the top forwards earlier in the week. Just a quick mention of the goalies, I won’t try to analyze who’s got upside or go inte detail on technique and stuff because goalies, but from what I’ve gathered the guys with most hype over here atm are Samuel Ersson -99 born who’s had a strong season in juniors and will play in allsvenskan next season and Olof Lindbom who had a strong U18 Championship for Sweden. I’ve also heard good things on Jesper Myrenberg who’s looked good statistically for several seasons and Eric Portillo who’s a giant at 6’6 and a late brithday to boot. But tbh the only junior goalie with real hype currently in Swedish junior hockey is Jesper Wallstedt, 2021 eligible player who’s already a top goalie at the U20 level.

I’ll just finish by saying that I truly hope that for next years draft the Oilers pick LHD Tobias Björnfot as his name means “Bearfoot” and the Bear-Bearfoot pairing would just be too awesome to pass up on. Can’t imagine they would be anything short of amazing at defending Ricki’s box together. Chia needs to make a deal with the rest of the League to let him drop to us at 31 in the 2019 draft…