The biggest difference between JP and Nylander and Rantanan, is that they each played more game in the AHL and I guarantee you they had much more ice time and in more offensive situations and more pp time. The inability for the AHL coaches to give quality prospects the ice time required to properly develop them has been a major issue for the Oilers. This is the biggest reason I support Woodcroft as the new head coach down there. Offensive prospects need to be put in offensive situations while developing on the farm. Rantanan played 1st line in the AHL and Nylander did for most of his AHL time as well. Puljujarvi played 3rd line minutes and barely any PP time, its no wonder he hasn’t developed the offensive part of his game.

I believe Puljujarvi will take a decent step forward next year and would consider 18 goals and 40 pts to be a very solid season and would set him up to be in the 60 pt range the year after that.

ArmchairGM: – Pacioretty has one year left on his deal and will be 30 1 month into next season– Galchenyuk scores at exactly the same rate as Nugent-Hopkins, not sure I’d call him a “scoring winger”– Scherbak is considered a goal scorer by some scouting reports, but 5 goals in 27 NHL games, 27 in 140 AHL games and 55 in 130 WHL games doesn’t strike me as particularly productive.– Zadina would be a “#10 + prospect” play, not something involving Draisaitl.

All of the players I listed are potential scoring wingers for Edmonton. The cost to acquire would vary, although I don’t see you getting 3OV for 10OV plus a prospect.

who: I would say the biggest thing Montreal has that Edmonton wants is a scoring winger. Whether that is Paciorretty, Galchenyuk, Sherback or Zadina. Maybe a deal could be worked around a left dman from Edmonton for 1 or more of these pieces.
They would have to build quite a package for Drai. Something like 3OV, Pacioretty, Poeling and Juulsen. I don’t think Edmonton should do it but that’s probably what it would look like

– Pacioretty has one year left on his deal and will be 30 1 month into next season
– Galchenyuk scores at exactly the same rate as Nugent-Hopkins, not sure I’d call him a “scoring winger”
– Scherbak is considered a goal scorer by some scouting reports, but 5 goals in 27 NHL games, 27 in 140 AHL games and 55 in 130 WHL games doesn’t strike me as particularly productive.
– Zadina would be a “#10 + prospect” play, not something involving Draisaitl.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Logic would say Carolina does not do it. But sometimes GMs overvalue certain player types.

Staal is a fine 2C. Lindholm has not lived up to the billing yet and is not a 1C. Aho may wind up being a C but is only proven as a W so far.

Let’s then look at what you say about both teams’ needs being important. What does Montreal have that Edmonton wants?

A RHD of Pesce’s calibre at a longterm cost controlled cap hit? Nope. A Svechnikov calibre winger? Nope

So?

I would say the biggest thing Montreal has that Edmonton wants is a scoring winger. Whether that is Paciorretty, Galchenyuk, Sherback or Zadina. Maybe a deal could be worked around a left dman from Edmonton for 1 or more of these pieces.
They would have to build quite a package for Drai. Something like 3OV, Pacioretty, Poeling and Juulsen. I don’t think Edmonton should do it but that’s probably what it would look like

who: I don’t see Carolina doing this and frankly they don’t need to.
Carolina is just fine at the center ice position. They have Staal, who can handle the tough match ups, and they have Aho. They can also use Lindholm as 3C if they choose to.
What they need is more goals. Adding Svechnikov should help. He and Aho are each capable of scoring as many goals as Drai.
If you want to use Drai as trade bait you need to find a team that desperatelyneeds a center and is willing to overpay.Montreal is the first one that comes to mind for me.
What makes Montreal interesting as a trade partner is that their two biggest needs are the Oilers two biggest strengths. Center and LD.
Also Montreal has an abundance of left shot wingers and an interesting RD prospect in Joulsen.

Logic would say Carolina does not do it. But sometimes GMs overvalue certain player types.

Staal is a fine 2C. Lindholm has not lived up to the billing yet and is not a 1C. Aho may wind up being a C but is only proven as a W so far.

Let’s then look at what you say about both teams’ needs being important. What does Montreal have that Edmonton wants?

A RHD of Pesce’s calibre at a longterm cost controlled cap hit? Nope. A Svechnikov calibre winger? Nope

So?

ArmchairGM: 3 points in 23 games, on top of poor AHL numbers, on top of poor WHL numbers gives me near-zero interest in Juulsen. He’s hugely overrated, IMO. I wouldn’t trade Bear for him straight up. He’s a by-line throw-in in any sort of Draisaitl trade.

I’m not suggesting we trade Drai for Juulsen. I’m simply pointing out that the 2 teams needs and strengths appear to line up. That is the first step in any possible trade scenario. A lot of posters here seem to skip that step.
Also I think Juulsen is a better prospect than you are giving him credit for. Is it all about scoring for you? Or are there other numbers that show him bad?

who: I don’t see Carolina doing this and frankly they don’t need to.
Carolina is just fine at the center ice position. They have Staal, who can handle the tough match ups, and they have Aho. They can also use Lindholm as 3C if they choose to.
What they need is more goals. Adding Svechnikov should help. He and Aho are each capable of scoring as many goals as Drai.
If you want to use Drai as trade bait you need to find a team that desperatelyneeds a center and is willing to overpay.Montreal is the first one that comes to mind for me.
What makes Montreal interesting as a trade partner is that their two biggest needs are the Oilers two biggest strengths. Center and LD.
Also Montreal has an abundance of left shot wingers and an interesting RD prospect in Joulsen.

3 points in 23 games, on top of poor AHL numbers, on top of poor WHL numbers gives me near-zero interest in Juulsen. He’s hugely overrated, IMO. I wouldn’t trade Bear for him straight up. He’s a by-line throw-in in any sort of Draisaitl trade.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): Oh, I absolutely think Svechnikov is the real deal. At his floor I see him as Ehlers’ level production. His ceiling might be a PPG + top line wing, and that’s without the McDavid factor.

I do believe that building down the middle is important. In a vacuum, with similar abilities, a top line C is worth more than a top line W.

That said, I do believe that yes, there is a blindspot among some NHL GMs, that Cs have MUCH more value.

I don’t know that Carolina is in that situation–BUT–they have all the makings of a team that potentially could be taken advantage of:

This year they should have been in the playoffs–their rebuild, with all the young talent on the blue line, has gone slower than expected. They have had some bad 1st round draft misses:

Lindholm over Monahan
Fleury over Ehlers and Nylander
Hanifin over Provorov and Werenski
Jake Bean one pick before McAvoy, etc.

They have missed the playoffs 9 years running, and in a non-traditional hockey market, with recent rumblings about relocation.

A ‘GM by committee” type random situation.

They are trying to make Aho their 1C, and maybe he can do it, but Draisaitl is really the player they are lacking most.

I’d at least be kicking the tires and seeing what they have to offer.

Would adding the 10th overall to the mix seal the deal?

Drai, 10th, Yamamoto
for
Aho, 2nd, Pesce

Still favours the Oilers, but less so.

I don’t see Carolina doing this and frankly they don’t need to.
Carolina is just fine at the center ice position. They have Staal, who can handle the tough match ups, and they have Aho. They can also use Lindholm as 3C if they choose to.
What they need is more goals. Adding Svechnikov should help. He and Aho are each capable of scoring as many goals as Drai.
If you want to use Drai as trade bait you need to find a team that desperately needs a center and is willing to overpay. Montreal is the first one that comes to mind for me.
What makes Montreal interesting as a trade partner is that their two biggest needs are the Oilers two biggest strengths. Center and LD.
Also Montreal has an abundance of left shot wingers and an interesting RD prospect in Joulsen.

Wilde: This strikes me as fairly lopsided in our favour:

1RW
Franchise Winger
1RD

for

Franchise Centre
2RW

Small correction: Pesce is not a 1RD any more than Russell is a 2RD. He scores an average of 3 goals per season – picture Adam Larrson without the nasty streak and the physicality.

Harpers Hair: Wasn’t thinking of him as an option for the Oilers. Just want to get the D guru’s take on him.

Will have a look.

Don’t know the player well.

Lowetide: Order up!

No shit eh?

More of the same from Stuart Skinner – stops 37 of 39 in a 3-2 Broncos OT win. Great stuff.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):

Would adding the 10th overall to the mix seal the deal?

Drai, 10th, Yamamoto
for
Aho, 2nd, Pesce

Still favours the Oilers, but less so.

Yes, that’s a balanced version imo, and yes I would also be kicking tires on it for sure.

Notice how Yzerman and Poile were in on Karlsson?

You just have to be in on anything that involves elite talent, everything. There’s so little opporunity to get it.

…

Side note: Dudley’s trade record isn’t terrible from his Atlants days. Got Byf and Wheeler.

Wilde: Do you yourself personally agree with this premise? I know that’s irrelevant to the hypothetical which involves minds not our own, but I think this is a blind spot in NHL hockey men.

Svechnikov is the category of winger that turns a random top ~60 centreman and another random guy into a toughs-slaying 1line.

As a prospect, but yeah.

He’s at a primary point per game 5v5.

Oh, I absolutely think Svechnikov is the real deal. At his floor I see him as Ehlers’ level production. His ceiling might be a PPG + top line wing, and that’s without the McDavid factor.

I do believe that building down the middle is important. In a vacuum, with similar abilities, a top line C is worth more than a top line W.

That said, I do believe that yes, there is a blindspot among some NHL GMs, that Cs have MUCH more value.

I don’t know that Carolina is in that situation–BUT–they have all the makings of a team that potentially could be taken advantage of:

This year they should have been in the playoffs–their rebuild, with all the young talent on the blue line, has gone slower than expected. They have had some bad 1st round draft misses:

Lindholm over Monahan
Fleury over Ehlers and Nylander
Hanifin over Provorov and Werenski
Jake Bean one pick before McAvoy, etc.

They have missed the playoffs 9 years running, and in a non-traditional hockey market, with recent rumblings about relocation.

A ‘GM by committee” type random situation.

They are trying to make Aho their 1C, and maybe he can do it, but Draisaitl is really the player they are lacking most.

I’d at least be kicking the tires and seeing what they have to offer.

Would adding the 10th overall to the mix seal the deal?

Drai, 10th, Yamamoto
for
Aho, 2nd, Pesce

Still favours the Oilers, but less so.

russ99: Since we’re cherry picking:

2 years before the trade: 528 goals allowed.

2 years after the trade: 469 goals allowed, including this year’s poor season from Talbot, a partial year playing hurt by Klefbom and a recovery year from Sekera.

I’m just wondering if you could explain this to me? Show me some evidence that this is because of the trade?

I honestly wonder if you are a troll man. You can’t really believe this kind of shit can you?

Richard S.S.:
Wilde,

If you don’t understand the term “alpha dog”, use a dictionary.

what type of shit dictionary are you using that has “alpha dog” listed and defined?

For those who are unaware.. http://www.urbandictionary.com is very loosely considered a dictionary at all..

I watched the movie Alpha Dog. It was mediocre at best. I would consider both McDavid and Hall far superior.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker): That’s the idea. It’s based on the premise that big franchise Cs are the most coveted players in the game. There is no Draisaitl for Carolina to draft this year at number 2. They already have skill on the wings but lack a true 1C.

This is taking advantage of their desire to land one.

Do you yourself personally agree with this premise? I know that’s irrelevant to the hypothetical which involves minds not our own, but I think this is a blind spot in NHL hockey men.

Svechnikov is the category of winger that turns a random top ~60 centreman and another random guy into a toughs-slaying 1line.

As a prospect, but yeah.

He’s at a primary point per game 5v5.

RonnieB:
NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),
Has anyone noticed that Aho has 4 goals and 7 assists in 3 games at the World Championships ? This comes after a big year in Carolina.
I doubt that Carolina would have any interest in trading him.

I’ve been an Aho fan since before he was drafted. The gold helmet thing and all and I nabbed him in my keeper league two season ago. Yes, noticed it certainly. I don’t have interest in trading Draisaitl, either, and neither should the Oilers.

That said,

Draisaitl > Aho, especially to a team starved for a franchise centre.

Oilers may need to add a 3rd asset, though, to make it worthwhile for Carolina. But I am tired of losing deals and trading for Faulk is not the answer.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker),
Has anyone noticed that Aho has 4 goals and 7 assists in 3 games at the World Championships ? This comes after a big year in Carolina.
I doubt that Carolina would have any interest in trading him.

Wilde: This strikes me as fairly lopsided in our favour:

1RW
Franchise Winger
1RD

for

Franchise Centre
2RW

That’s the idea. It’s based on the premise that big franchise Cs are the most coveted players in the game. There is no Draisaitl for Carolina to draft this year at number 2. They already have skill on the wings but lack a true 1C.

This is taking advantage of their desire to land one.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker):

I would be very interested in Svechnikov, and I would be willing to shock the hockey world to do it. Draisaitl and Yamamoto for Aho, Svechnikov, Pesce.

This strikes me as fairly lopsided in our favour:

1RW
Franchise Winger
1RD

for

Franchise Centre
2RW

Gee whiz, jtblack chums the water and the school of barracuda takes the bait today.

I agree the points comparison was asinine and should be called out. That said I am confused by some posts that are still trying to justify the trade based on turnovers/line changes/alpha ego intangibles and playoff results. I get what Chia was trying to do, but it was not a Johansen for Jones type result.

I was a vocal critic of the Montoya deal when it was made. I don’t understand why an unproven backup option gets 2.5m when this team is so tight against the cap.

Puljujarvi has much more offensive zone IQ than Yak did. He finds the front of the net much better. He will be a good one, but will be unlikely to match Rantanen or Pastrnak in scoring results.

I don’t trade for Faulk, nor Hoffman. The salary does not work.

I would be very interested in Svechnikov, and I would be willing to shock the hockey world to do it. Draisaitl and Yamamoto for Aho, Svechnikov, Pesce.

Trade one of the leftorium for a strong 3rd line C.

Sign Aho to 8 x 6m and run him at 2C with Puljujarvi.

Am I missing something or does Olofsson have the same-ish draft year stats as Filip Forsberg in the Allsvenskan?

Olofsson:

10 G – 11 A – 21 P / / 43 GP

Forsberg:

8 G – 9 A – 17 P / / 43 GP

Half year younger, but still.

Woodguy v2.0: Redundant skills on this roster.

No logical reason to trade for him.

Wasn’t thinking of him as an option for the Oilers. Just want to get the D guru’s take on him.

godot10: How is he an improvement on Matt Benning for 3rd pairing RD?The Oilers are not lacking in 3rd pairing D.

He’s not – he’s an improvement on Kris Russell for the 2nd pairing.

ArmchairGM: I hope you’re wrong!

Quite a few of the lists I’ve seen have Kotkaniemi outside the top-9, so there’s hope. Of course, Chairelli will just trade the pick and we’ll be left watching a great prospect fall to #10 on draft day, making all of our speculation redundant.

Then after said prospect succeeds, the org will put out a memo saying they would have drafted someone else, and half the fans will call it hindsight to say we should have drafted him. Rinse and repeat until Connor retires.

Woodguy v2.0: He won’t fall to 10.

C’s are too valuable.

He’s the reason this draft has gone from a “top 9” to a “top 10” draft.

Unless someone throws Peter a crazy deal there is almost no scenario where trading the pick makes sense.

Alas, he’s Peter and is working for his job so who knows.

I hope you’re wrong! 😉

Quite a few of the lists I’ve seen have Kotkaniemi outside the top-9, so there’s hope. Of course, Chairelli will just trade the pick and we’ll be left watching a great prospect fall to #10 on draft day, making all of our speculation redundant.

Harpers Hair: Wondering what you think of Tory Krug. There is some chatter the Bruins may move him to create balance.

Redundant skills on this roster.

No logical reason to trade for him.

What if the draft was moved to after free agency like in football? Say Draft on July 4. Might make GMs a little more panicked to trade.And it would give the media a little more to talk about during the dead time instead of the standard interview about how happy the player is to be drafted, and how this is jut the beginning.

J-Bo:
After reading Wheeler’s take on Svechnikov, I would trade Jesse P. and the no.10 to Carolina for the number 2 if they would take it. He sounds like a sure thing and the perfect compliment for Nuge and McDavid.

I mentioned this trade idea a couple of weeks back. I have Svech as the best prospect in this draft.

Woodguy v2.0: I don’t dislike Pulock.

Not worth 10 though.

Whoa – I never said that it should be for the 10th – just that Pulok should be the target acquisition.

Lowetide: I have Addison No. 20, he’s an excellent prospect for sure. So, you would trade down?
https://lowetide.ca/2018/04/30/the-120-best-players-in-the-2018-draft/

The 10th to Philadelphia for the 19th & Nicolas Aube-Kubel – who scored 17 5v5 goals in the AHL at age 21.

Scungilli Slushy: Leftie, not much help for the google guys.

Or the Oilers ha

Lowetide: Connor McDavid floats all boats. I’m still not certain of JP’s offense but he has a shot at winning a job with a ridiculous skill forward. Not saying he’ll ever get to 80 points, but we don’t know his outer marker yet.

If JP gets 80 points in 1 season I will gladly eat crow (this thread is proof) … 80 Points now a days is rare air. Leon got 77 on his wing. I am sure McD will have an 80 point winger sooner rather than later, just not convinced its JP

Harpers Hair: Wondering what you think of Tory Krug. There is some chatter the Bruins may move him to create balance.

Leftie, not much help for the google guys.

Woodguy v2.0: I don’t dislike Pulock.

Not worth 10 though.

Wondering what you think of Tory Krug. There is some chatter the Bruins may move him to create balance.

pts2pndr: Woodguy v2.0,

You win best reply of the blog today!Wisser hood clap!!!

I wonder if you know how funny ‘wizzer’ hood clap is referring to a banana hammock is, awesome.

pts2pndr: Many players with amazing point totals See ( Marcel Dionne ) still did not produce a winner! A team is made up of many parts and to win takes some luck and all the parts playing as one! Note how many times the allstar teams won against the Stanley Cup Champins durring the six team league!

I dont know what you mean?

Also, I don’t know about you guys but shift-by-shifts are my favourite prospect videos. Here’s one for my #10 pick, Joel Farabee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWEQFnJJ4cY

OriginalPouzar: I’ve decided the target should be Ryan Pulok.

How is he an improvement on Matt Benning for 3rd pairing RD? The Oilers are not lacking in 3rd pairing D.

Berggren’s hard to get a read on.

Wheeler’s got him at #20.

Kournianos has talked about him.

Pronman’s talked about him.

SwedishPoster likes him.

But he’s gone from 24th->30th in NHL EU skaters from midterm to finals.

Here are the 24th to 30th EU skaters last year and where they were drafted.(Some fucking excellent names in here, guys):

24th – Hugg / / undrafted

25th – Lindstrom / / 38th

26th – Galvas / / 150th

27th – Volkov / / 48th

28th – Altyburmakyan(what?) / / 70th

29th – Skorikov(SCOREIKOV!!) / / undrafted

30th – Geisser / / 120th

If the Oil value goal metrics as some have suggested, maybe we don’t need to worry about an overpay for Faulk?

The potential deals being thrown around are terrifying, but this gives me a little hope.

Woodguy v2.0: Is there a picture of him wearing a banana hammock?

I feel that there should be.

Woodguy v2.0,

You win best reply of the blog today! Wisser hood clap!!!

OriginalPouzar: I’ve decided the target should be Ryan Pulok.

I don’t dislike Pulock.

Not worth 10 though.

ArmchairGM: Kotkaniemi

He won’t fall to 10.

C’s are too valuable.

He’s the reason this draft has gone from a “top 9” to a “top 10” draft.

Unless someone throws Peter a crazy deal there is almost no scenario where trading the pick makes sense.

Alas, he’s Peter and is working for his job so who knows.

ArmchairGM: I’m not one of the smart people around the league obviously. But when I look at Faulk’s stats I see a guy who is maybe a 3rd pairing with decent PP numbers. Here is Faulks ES (not 5v5) GF-GA for the past 4 years:

14-15:60-78 (43.48 GF%) 16 primary points, 27 total points on 60 GF
15-16:47-67 (41.23)13 primary points, 20 total points on 47 GF
16-17:52-70 (42.62)19 primary points, 24 total points on 52 GF (should have traded him here!)
17-18:56-80 (41.18)8 primary points, 12 total points on 56 GF (not a typo)

I see a player that has very little impact on the GF and is a big black hole when it comes to GA. His ES GA/60 is 7th of 7 Carolina defensemen, and puts him here on Edmonton’s RD depth chart:

Larsson 2.50 GA/60 (53.64 GF%)
Benning 2.65 GA/60 (51.89 GF%)
Russell2.75 GA/60 (45.45 GF%)
Faulk 3.36 GA/60 (41.18 GF%)

You could argue that the McDavid effect is boosting our players, so I’ll run the GF% numbers without McDavid:

Larsson 45.61 GF% without McDavid
Benning 45.45 GF% without McDavid
Russell43.28 GF% without McDavid
Faulk 40.74 GF% without Aho
Faulk 38.64 GF% without Teravainen

BUT, we need PP help and this guy will come in and turn our #1PP (which already has McDavid & Draisaitl) into a barn burner, right? Isn’t that worth Puljujarvi + 2018 2nd and $4.8M cap space which will cost us Klefbom? Well, no. His 2.43 primary points/60 on his on-ice 7.27 GF/60 indicates that he isn’t the primary driver on Carolina’s PP. Ethan Bear could do better, and actually has already: 3.64 primary points/60 on his on-ice 9.12 GF/60 in 1:49 avg TOI/game x 18 games. Faulk’s PP numbers are based on 2:55 avg TOI/game x 76 games.

Dealing JP for Faulk would IMO be foolish. It would in all liklihood require another player moved re cap issues. Faulk appears to have lost a step. JP is still trending up! This would be worse than the Hall for Larson trade times 10!

Lowetide: Merkley is a fascinating prospect.

Is there a picture of him wearing a banana hammock?

I feel that there should be.

Kinger_Oil.redux: – hi lama- you haven’t posted in awhile!

– I agree with you.

– without getting into a bun fight the current management believed that you can’t win the cup with ebs and hall and bet that with mcd and drai and cheaper wingers like Kailer and pool that was a better roster combination with a solid d corpse and keeping all the c’s

– if Kailer and pool don’t excel with skill then we are pooched. But if/when they do watch out

There were a couple of wingers drafted after Kailer that I think just might suprise a lot of people given a chance!