Bridge of Sighs

by Lowetide

Drake Caggiula was pursued by many NHL teams in the days after his college career ended. Philadelphia general manager Ron Hextall:  “He’s got speed, he plays hard, he has a lot of good attributes.  He’s got a shot at being a top six (player) based on his ability. He’s not the biggest player, but he plays hard.” Oilers got him and two years later we’re not quite sure what that means.

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DRAKE CAGGIULA

If we’re building a top 6F, it’s pretty easy to name three: Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. After that? Well hell, that’s the problem. If you use money and draft pedigree, then Milan Lucic, Jesse Puljujarvi and Ryan Strome are the internal fixes. Life doesn’t work that way and there’s a chance none of those three names will be part of the solution.

Caggiula’s numbers are poor, his 5×5 points-per-60 in 2017-18 ranked him No. 294 among 367 forwards who have played over 500 minutes last year. He’ll be 24 in June, scored one more goal than Jesse Puljujarvi at age 19.

The one thing you can say about him that may imply there’s more to give? He has been injured in both seasons and played out of position (center) for a prolonged period in year one. Hextall said he had a shot at top 6F, here are his numbers (over two seasons) with the centers three:

  • With Connor McDavid: 8 points in 213:40 (2.25 points per 60)
  • With Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: 5 points 157:32 (1.90 points per 60)
  • With Leon Draisaitl: 5 points in 253:52 (1.18 points per 60)

Who knows, maybe Caggiula gets a shot at right wing on the Nuge-McDavid line. I think we have him surrounded as a player and suspect it’s likely we are not looking at a top 6F.

This is officially a fantastic run for Skinner. His playoff numbers (24, 2.21 .931) reflect a career peak and just in time. The Broncos won in 1989 (and won the Memorial Cup) with a team that featured Sheldon Kennedy, Peter Soberlak and Geoff Sanderson. Swift won again in 1993, that team included Tyler Wright. The first Swift Current Broncos WHL team played in 1967-68 and boasted Dave Schultz and Bill Hogaboam.

Peter Chiarelli had two areas to nurture upon arrival in Edmonton, and (not surprisingly) the new general manager chose to feed the NHL team and find ways other than draft picks to stock the prospect shelves. PC has signed some NHLers out of college (Matt Benning, Drake Caggiula) and I do think the drafting has been better since 2015, but agree completely with Wheeler. Among the youngsters who (imo) have a good chance of making it in the NHL: Jesse Puljujarvi, Kailer Yamamoto, Ethan Bear, Caleb Jones. Among those who are trending in a good way: Kirill Maksimov, Cooper Marody, William Lagesson, Dmitri Samorukov, Filip Berglund, Stuart Skinner.

I would give Keith Gretzky, Bob Green and the scouting staff the full boat in terms of draft picks, especially if they’re strong on a specific player at No. 10 overall.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning and the guest list remains fluid as we approach showtime. At 10, TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Jason Rogers, Japers Rink. The time to celebrate is almost over, Washington will face the Lightning this weekend. Can Ovie and the gang keep pushing?
  • Rob Vollman, NHL.com and ESPN. Projecting Drake Caggiula into next season based on what we’ve seen so far, plus a preview of a massive Game 7 in Nashville.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Huge game tonight! Plus a quick preview of the semifinals.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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OriginalPouzar

From the numbers and from what I saw of Justin Faulk this year, he is not a player that will help a team f asked to play top 4 even strength minutes. The numbers show he is a drag on his ice-mates and the puck goes in his net more often than the opposition net.

I would think that Justin could help a team as a 3RD (in particular on home ice where he could be sheltered (if our coach learned to linematch) and as a PP specialist.

The issue is his contract is too expensive for that spot and the acquisition cost likely does not line up (at all) with that type of deployment.

ArmchairGM

Andy Dufresne,

2014-15 is the last time Faulk led his team in TOI.

ArmchairGM

Andy Dufresne:
prediction

Oilers trade for Justin Faulk.

Take all the smoke thats out there

1) Carolina is in a position to move him (strong young D core)
2) Carolina operates on a low internal budget and Faulk is moving into the two most expensive years of his contract $6million per
3) Like his fancies or not, the guy is a PP quarterback and a 2RHD (who had an off year). He is a goal scoring defensman. He just turned 26yrs old and is a prime candidate for a bounce back year.
4) Oilers have been rumored to be interested in this guy for 3 years now.
5) Oilers mgt on record (repeatedly) as targeting a scoring RHD this summer

It should be a slight buy low scenario given that the rumoured ask was RNH in the 15-16 season.

Not saying the Oilers SHOULD trade for him. But thats a lot of smoke.Im guessing the perception of Faulk by GMs around the league is higher than his Analytics Stats Package would suggest.

Goal Scoring wise (15,16 and 17 goals for the 3 years prior to this one) he’s in between Hamonic and Hamiltion both of whom cost the Lames a 1st rounder and two 2nd rounders.I get that its not a good comparison……but it is a starting point…..and it leads me to beleive the ask STARTS with the 10th pick.

Friedmans got the Red Wings interested (naming Athanasiou) and possibly the Canadiens.

Is Athanasiou worth more than this years 10th?

Like in golf where you can sometimes bet a select grouping of 4 players to win a particular Major, If Im betting on who the Oilers end up procuring this spring/summer, Faulk is in the group I bet on. Warts and all.

Hoping against the odds that the Oilers go after Ryan Ellis whos cap hit is only$2.5 next year. (Maybe Nashvilles loss puts them in a mood for change and the Klefbom contract has some appeal to Poile)

Faulk as a 2RD is a big reason that Carolina hasn’t had any success in years. His ES goal differential for the past 4 years:

60 78 43.48
47 67 41.23
52 70 42.62
56 80 41.18

This isn’t a “one-year” blip on an otherwise good career, this is a guy in the prime of his career who does not outscore his opponents. Here are his most common partners in those years and their GF% with and without Faulk:

Andrej Sekera 41.89 70.00
Ron Hainsey 41.54 53.66
Ron Hainsey 39.34 31.25
Hayden Fleury 43.24 46.88

Two things seem apparent, (1) Faulk is generally a drag on his teammates, and (2) he played 3RD PAIRING for Carolina this year and still got smoked – all while dragging his 21-year-old rookie partner down in the process.

flyfish1168

What a good trade by the Jets to get Stastny. The use of this years 1st round pick, a prospect and a conditional 4th round in 2020.

this is a good trade by a playoff team to add depth at the deadline. Unfortunately we are so weak prospect wise and need at least this draft and probably next one to have any sort of depth like the Jets.

PC made many horrible decisions.

ArmchairGM

Jaxon: One thing I would point out about Merkley is that he played over 20.4 minutes per game. His 5-on-5 estimated TOI in the OHL was the 3rd highest in the league for under 18, the 20th highest in all OHL D, 2nd highest on his team (behind 20-yr-old McFadden by 45 seconds, and ahead of Samurakov by 70 seconds, meaning he was top-pair). Not bad for one of the youngest 17-year-olds in the draft in the hardest junior league in the world.

That’s interesting, thanks. He’s got immense natural talent, he just needs to be a more complete player if he wants to make the NHL.

Wilde

Andy Dufresne:

3) Like his fancies or not, the guy is a PP quarterback and a 2RHD (who had an off year). He is a goal scoring defensman. He just turned 26yrs old and is a prime candidate for a bounce back year.

Off year? Maybe in personal offensive counts, but..

Justin Faulk at 5v5, GF / / GA (+/-)

2013/14 – 56 / / 65 (-9)
2014/15 – 55 / / 69 (-14)
2015/16 – 39 / / 54 (-15)
2016/17 – 45 / / 61 (-16)
2017/18 – 49 / / 63 (-14)

Seems to me to be in the range.

Andy Dufresne:
Heres how I think MANY GMs view Faulk (and his situation in Carolina this year)

”He’s primarily been paired with the rookie Haydn Fleury and Noah Hanifin about evenly this year. He did have a temporary partnership with Jaccob Slavin, but it was fairly short-lived.”

Justin Faulk TOI teammate shares:

Fleury -> 473m
Slavin -> 344m
Hanifin -> 263m
Dahlbeck -> 199m

Andy Dufresne:

Is Athanasiou worth more than this years 10th?

Athanasiou in 2017/18 -> 16 – 17 – 33 in 71 GP

7th overall 2017

for

Anthony DeAngelo
Derek Stepan ( 17 – 38 – 55 in 81GP )
Antti Raanta

Andy Dufresne

Heres how I think MANY GMs view Faulk (and his situation in Carolina this year)

” Faulk is usually number one in ice time on his team, and gets that assignment more than your league-average defenceman. But he plays against all competition relatively equally, once you adjust for the fact that a number one on the other team gets more time on ice than the number six, and therefore would naturally compete against Faulk more.

He’s primarily been paired with the rookie Haydn Fleury and Noah Hanifin about evenly this year. He did have a temporary partnership with Jaccob Slavin, but it was fairly short-lived.

The emergence of Slavin, in addition to Brett Pesce and Trevor van Riemsdyk has led to Faulk not being used much on the penalty kill. However, on the power play he mans the top unit as the lone defender in a 1-3-1 system for the Hurricanes. With double digit goal totals in three consecutive seasons before this one, he’s a consistent goal producer”

Andy Dufresne

prediction

Oilers trade for Justin Faulk.

Take all the smoke thats out there

1) Carolina is in a position to move him (strong young D core)
2) Carolina operates on a low internal budget and Faulk is moving into the two most expensive years of his contract $6million per
3) Like his fancies or not, the guy is a PP quarterback and a 2RHD (who had an off year). He is a goal scoring defensman. He just turned 26yrs old and is a prime candidate for a bounce back year.
4) Oilers have been rumored to be interested in this guy for 3 years now.
5) Oilers mgt on record (repeatedly) as targeting a scoring RHD this summer

It should be a slight buy low scenario given that the rumoured ask was RNH in the 15-16 season.

Not saying the Oilers SHOULD trade for him. But thats a lot of smoke. Im guessing the perception of Faulk by GMs around the league is higher than his Analytics Stats Package would suggest.

Goal Scoring wise (15,16 and 17 goals for the 3 years prior to this one) he’s in between Hamonic and Hamiltion both of whom cost the Lames a 1st rounder and two 2nd rounders. I get that its not a good comparison……but it is a starting point…..and it leads me to beleive the ask STARTS with the 10th pick.

Friedmans got the Red Wings interested (naming Athanasiou) and possibly the Canadiens.

Is Athanasiou worth more than this years 10th?

Like in golf where you can sometimes bet a select grouping of 4 players to win a particular Major, If Im betting on who the Oilers end up procuring this spring/summer, Faulk is in the group I bet on. Warts and all.

Hoping against the odds that the Oilers go after Ryan Ellis whos cap hit is only $2.5 next year. (Maybe Nashvilles loss puts them in a mood for change and the Klefbom contract has some appeal to Poile)

Jaxon

ArmchairGM:
Apropos the conversation yesterday about Merkley, I was watching some highlights last night and noticed Samorukov in some of them. Are they a pairing? Could be beneficial to the Oilers to have two guys play together for several years prior to reaching the AHL.

Watching those highlights it is immediately apparent that he is a special talent, one that doesn’t come along very often. He may not be the fastest (although close), but his agility is second to none. Maybe Boqvist come close. He sees the ice extremely well, making passes that most others wouldn’t see let alone attempt. He’s a very gifted player, and still young – his August 2000 birthday makes him the second youngest player in the draft (to my knowledge).

That said, I don’t think I would take him at #10. He is third among OHL defenders for points-per-game, but when you remove his PP points (more than half his total boxcars!!) he drops to 10th. Primary points look good, but he’s obviously not making smart decisions without the puck – he has the skating ability to track any puck-carrier, but something isn’t clicking here. I have not watched him enough to know what his issues are, but they are real.

He may be available at #40, but I would not be disappointed at all if the Oilers moved the 2nd + something else to move up to 25 or so to can pick him.

One thing I would point out about Merkley is that he played over 20.4 minutes per game. His 5-on-5 estimated TOI in the OHL was the 3rd highest in the league for under 18, the 20th highest in all OHL D, 2nd highest on his team (behind 20-yr-old McFadden by 45 seconds, and ahead of Samurakov by 70 seconds, meaning he was top-pair). Not bad for one of the youngest 17-year-olds in the draft in the hardest junior league in the world.

godot10

David Poile is cursed.

godot10

Ryan:
I can’t put my finger on it, but I really don’t like Laviolette.

Put your finger on June 2006.

maudite

Lowetide: One of the things we have to factor in is the fact the first-round pick always heads to the NHL (thus becoming an NHL player as opposed to a prospect). If you look at the Oilers drafting since 2010,thefirst round has been (mostly) a five-run home run every time.

No reason to credit the general manager but that is part of the record and has to be accounted for in these conversations.

Stretch that back to 2009…
2009) #9 – MPS bust out -> #40 lander (bust out)

2010) #1 – Hall (better than Seguin right call) -> #31 Pitlick #46 Marincin #48 Hamilton ….enough good things it’s silly how this didn’t set us up solid….silly

2011) #1 – RNH (nuge will have a long solid top end career) -> #31 Musil (don’t care which way you pretty this up Jenner and Saad both there and both not coming with skating issue caveat…I would not touch a 2nd round prospect with that there.

2012) #1 – Yak (bust out) #32 Moroz -> this draft is garbage like bizzaro 2011 style. With a good enough organization and scouting staff picks should have been used to fleece people here.

2013) #7 Nurse -> #55 M.A Roy (I like this draft as it is also deep and shotgun pick grab was good call)

From there we’ve just been thin on early picks. Due to bs League rules for GM/Coaches that don’t apply to Lou or whatever and garbage trades.

Our development is a sore spot but just as important to me is setting up some rules to go by from now on.

1. Identify deep drafts. Don’t ever trade picks from these unless it’s to get more picks…barring something ridiculous good that is still RFA coming back and you are in spot where team is competitive for playoffs+.

2. Never do a deal like Reinhart again as long as you exist as an organization. A million LHD prospects..overpay for one that is trending down.

3. Reach picks that are average or below skating in 2nd round is an utter waste of time…never do it again.

maudite

Thing I don’t understand:

Lucic completely changed his training to “get faster” trying to pick up more of a chance to fit McDavid’s line…How likely that the biggest part of his down arrow wasn’t completely trying to change his approach at this point in his career. Put him back on old regime, get a bit bigger and play his game in shape he’s better used to and see how the season goes. I wouldn’t be tossing him in the junk pile just yet and definitely not paying to do so. I think there is a means of getting a couple more good years still out of the guy if we don’t go all lynch mob oiler style on him.

RNH – Mcdavid – Bargain bin UFA late summer
Lucic – Drai – JP
xxx – Strome – Kassian
xxx – Jujar – xxx

Fill the rest as you can but IMO I really hate that Sleps is gone. He fits in there somewhere.

Klef Larsson
Russel Sek
Nurse Benning

A better back up, Maybe inhouse answers for RW and honestly just something better than Russel in that mix and I think we’d be just fine. Despite the record I don’t think we are as far off if we utilized our players better and our special teams wasn’t just garbage (PP should rebound and hopefully better PK system is in place which will help that immensely).

Munny

Best of luck to the Winnipeg Lawn Darts in the Conference Finals.

However, I will be cheering for the Las Vegas Cinderfellas.

No lose situation actually.

And a Final with the DC Ovechkins would be most enjoyable.

rope-a-dope

jake70:
Ha, love it, Jets running them right out of their own barn.Nice.Dispose of Las Vegas in 4 would be sweet.

The jets looked amazing at times in this game, dominant with their speed/cycle ability.

jake70

Ha, love it, Jets running them right out of their own barn. Nice. Dispose of Las Vegas in 4 would be sweet.

Réal Goudenyéu

leadfarmer:
Vegas vs Jets. The name of the game is speed speed speed

And rinne totally sucking.

Ryan

leadfarmer:
Vegas vs Jets. The name of the game is speed speed speed

Just win baby!

leadfarmer

Vegas vs Jets. The name of the game is speed speed speed

Ryan

I can’t put my finger on it, but I really don’t like Laviolette.

leadfarmer

Spooky Lynx: Seems pretty reactionary to me. Has Rinne out of Nashville been discussed before this game? Wasn’t he nominated for a Vezina less than a month ago?

Well when you get pulled 3 times in one series you get noticed

Ryan

Go Jets go! Bitches!

Spooky Lynx

Professor Q:
CBC Talking Heads discussing Rinne possibly being done in Nashville.

A quieter Patrick Roy moment.

Edmonton + Rinne = Cup(s)?

Seems pretty reactionary to me. Has Rinne out of Nashville been discussed before this game? Wasn’t he nominated for a Vezina less than a month ago?

Professor Q

CBC Talking Heads discussing Rinne possibly being done in Nashville.

A quieter Patrick Roy moment.

Edmonton + Rinne = Cup(s)?

who

Lowetide: A trade of Nuge (or Leon) would have to quickly follow.

Yeah maybe.
My point is I would rather pay Drai 8.5 million to the age of 29 than pay Tavares 10 million to the age of 34

Scungilli Slushy

JimmyV1965: Don’t forget JT Miller. He’s been one of their best players.

Yes. Are the Bolts going to be better or worse for trading their first to get what they need is the question.

It’s funny Cooper mentioned Miller’s physicality as key.

Balance is a thing. And having top players playing in key positions.

JimmyV1965

Scungilli Slushy: It cost Stevie a first to get McDonagh. He’ll be 29 next season and that respected GM still did it. The larger package like that is what I hope PC can do to make it worth while for the losing team. Losing because a whomever gets the best players wins the trade.

The top two drafters have a lot more issues than the Oilers and adding a lot of depth at one time helps them get to respectability much sooner, and save jobs, more than the few years it takes an elite player to right the ship, as we’ve seen.

Don’t forget JT Miller. He’s been one of their best players.

Scungilli Slushy

At least 3 of the 5 teams still playing have made substantial trades. It is one of the tools to push things forward.

When a keeper core is established things become different.

Well executed deals are necessary IMO to success. The draft is too slow depending on luck.

That doesn’t mean being stupid. It’s a tough business, you have to get it right. If it was easy everyone would contend in a capped league. You have to value the right things and be able to see the right players, and have luck.

JimmyV1965

rope-a-dope:
Goalie change? Wow that’s some panic. The goals are absolutely on the team as much as they’re on Rinne.

His teammates share some responsibility for those goals, but NHL goalies have to stop those. Both were harmless half shots.

Scungilli Slushy

Scungilli Slushy: It cost Stevie a first to get McDonagh. He’ll be 29 next season and that respected GM still did it. The larger package like that is what I hope PC can do to make it worth while for the losing team. Losing because a whomever gets the best players wins the trade.

The top two drafters have a lot more issues than the Oilers and adding a lot of depth at one time helps them get to respectability much sooner, and save jobs, more than the few years it takes an elite player to right the ship, as we’ve seen.

I’ll add the Oilers don’t need the money and that makes all the difference.

Scungilli Slushy

rope-a-dope:
Goalie change? Wow that’s some panic. The goals are absolutely on the team as much as they’re on Rinne.

Sometimes done to shake the team up as opposed to poor goalering. Have to do something to change what’s happening, there is no tomorrow.

Scungilli Slushy

Cassandra: The Leafs have a good prospect pool and that doesn’t count Mathews, Marner, and Nylander.

The Flyers have a good prospect pool and that doesn’t count Provorov, Konetchny, and Patrick.

The Lightning have a good prospect pool and that doesn’t count Point and Sergachev, or the trade for Miller and McDonagh.

It cost Stevie a first to get McDonagh. He’ll be 29 next season and that respected GM still did it. The larger package like that is what I hope PC can do to make it worth while for the losing team. Losing because a whomever gets the best players wins the trade.

The top two drafters have a lot more issues than the Oilers and adding a lot of depth at one time helps them get to respectability much sooner, and save jobs, more than the few years it takes an elite player to right the ship, as we’ve seen.

rope-a-dope

Dream scenario for WPG though.

rope-a-dope

leadfarmer: Thats some awful goaltending.He deserved the pull before the game gets out of hand.Those shots had 0 business going in

It wasn’t perfect goaltending however I thought the bigger issue was the Preds players being out raced for pucks and not tying up sticks.

leadfarmer

rope-a-dope:
Goalie change? Wow that’s some panic. The goals are absolutely on the team as much as they’re on Rinne.

Thats some awful goaltending. He deserved the pull before the game gets out of hand. Those shots had 0 business going in

Scungilli Slushy

Cassandra:
As it stands right now teams systematically undervalue first round picks.

A first round pick, especially a lottery pick, has a significant chance of producing a very good NHL player that will play at an undervalued contract for as much as a decade.The upside on a first round pick is very large.There is no downside, since the worst thing that can happen is the player doesn’t play.That is a neutral result.

The player you trade for is supposed to be more certain.But that certainty comes with 1) less upside in both talent and term, and 2) if they already have a contract, significant risk that the player will cost more than they produce.

Under these conditions you can only really win the trade if the other team makes a mistake by undervaluing the established player.But if you are already trading a first round pick for the player, this means you can only win by trading a first round pick for a player that is a star but the other team doesn’t know is a star.

There are circumstances where this might work.Maybe Dougie Hamilton or Brayden Schenn.But when it is Hamonic it is a terrible idea.

And when it is someone who is already on the road to bust like Reinhart, who should have had the value of a 3rd or 4th round pick, it is fireable offense the day the trade is made.Then you get neither upside nor certainty. You lit your pick on fire.

The day the Reinhart trade was made I said that if you were going to make a terrible trade for an Islander prospect they should have at least gotten Pulock.That still would have been a terrible trade, but at least they would have chosen the guy who was top of their prospect depth chart.

Now we are talking about trading for Pulock.

Well put. It completely depends on the who. I have no confidence in the org, but each draft season when the pick is lower hope for a miracle from them to rebuild the damage.

I believe game changers are worth a lot as for a smart GM competent players shouldn’t be a struggle to get. Adding a true top D and deadly winger is affordable in the long run and worth a lot to building the longevity of competitiveness of the McD era.

Top players play at a top level for many years and dynasties are built on them. The other players come and go and have up and down contributions, many only having several great seasons, and they still end up getting paid a lot.

rope-a-dope

Goalie change? Wow that’s some panic. The goals are absolutely on the team as much as they’re on Rinne.

pts2pndr

dustrock: Right.

Then we get into trading Petry for nothing, then trading Hall to get back Petry (Larsson).

We lose Schultz for nothing, now we’re talking about trading the 10th and/or Klefbom for Schultz (Faulk).

Drives me crazy.

I’d honestly prefer another mediocre, non-playoff year, if it meant we kept our 1-3 picks this year and next year.

Dire straits here.

Great band!

pts2pndr

RonnieB:
pts2pndr,

pts2pndr,

I don’t know if it’s the record but the Rangers went 54 years between cups. Toronto is getting close at 51.

Tnx! I wonder how Mr Wheeler will spin that one!

pts2pndr

Richard S.S.:
A Players has an off year, maybe a poor year or maybe a bad year.Immediately people believe the Players will not get better, ever.Please consider this. Peak physical potential is reached at 16-18 years of age, after that it’s all downhill, although with better experience. So taking it a step further, no one ever get better past that age at anything.

Klefbom, Sekera will be healthy/healthier next year with a full offseason to recover.Talbot will play less and shouldn’t tire out as much or as often next year.Even Lucic cannot be worse next year, he will see to that.They SHOULD be better, all reasonable expectations.

I believe you are referring to peak sexual performance. Physical peak not so much!

RonnieB

pts2pndr,

pts2pndr,

I don’t know if it’s the record but the Rangers went 54 years between cups. Toronto is getting close at 51.

pts2pndr

McSorley33:
Scott Wheeler with the truth arrow that is going to pierce the heart of a few posters here.

Typical center of the universe trashing everything that is not GTA. With all these smart people at the center of the universe I can not for the life of me figure out how there hasn’t been a Stanley Cup Championship since 1967. Looks like they might set a record after all! Inwonder what the record is for longest time between cups?

Wilde

jtblack:
what was Darnell’s5×5GF-GA?pls

http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&team=EDM&pos=S&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=82&lines=single

OriginalPouzar:
Lagesson, Yamamoto, Benson, Berglund, McPhee, Kemp, Rasanen, Skinner

Frost, Ratcliffe, Hart, Allison, Lindblom, Sanheim, Morin, Vorobyov, Myers, Aube-Kubel, Friedman

Vesalainen, Appleton, Niku, Lemeiux, Spacek, Harkins, Petan, Foley (Copp, Poolman, Roslovic)

Kuokkanen, Gauthier, Foegele, Saarela, Roy, Wallmark, McKeown, Poturalski, Carrick

There’s about 5 more teams that have more and better prospects on their AHL team than we have in all minor and European leagues combined

pts2pndr

Cassandra: The Leafs have a good prospect pool and that doesn’t count Mathews, Marner, and Nylander.

The Flyers have a good prospect pool and that doesn’t count Provorov, Konetchny, and Patrick.

The Lightning have a good prospect pool and that doesn’t count Point and Sergachev, or the trade for Miller and McDonagh.

Cassandra,

Talent like beauty for prospects lies n the eye of the beholder!

jtblack

Lowetide: 69-56 +13

WOW. Very solid. I saw him as “also in photo often”. But he simply gotus more than he gave up.

Does Nurse have the capability to play on 2PP?

I do know he had 26 ES points, which is excellent

jtblack

Lowetide: One of the things we have to factor in is the fact the first-round pick always heads to the NHL (thus becoming an NHL player as opposed to a prospect). If you look at the Oilers drafting since 2010,thefirst round has been (mostly) a five-run home run every time.

No reason to credit the general manager but that is part of the record and has to be accounted for in these conversations.

Has any other Franchise drafted at the Optimum Spots Edm has?
2010 – #1
2011 – #1
2012 – #1
2013- #7
2014 -#3
2015 – #1, #16
2016 – #4
2017- #22
2018 -#10

We may have done fine, but really what GM (fans) would have made different picks? 2010,11,12,14,15 & 16 were pretty much pre determined.

Not sure what the dialogue was around Nurse @ #7.

jtblack

what was Darnell’s 5×5 GF-GA? pls

who

jeetz:
Oilers need a boost. I wonder if a good old Canadian boy like Tavares would be interested in signing here. Then we would have RNH McDavid Tavares Puljijarvi in the top 6.

Oilers could uses Draisaitl to get the top 1 or 2 pick (franchise winger or defender) AND keep the #10 pick. (Best puck moving defender available)

Long shot for sure, but is it really impossible? That would be a franchise changing move

Do you really think it would be a good move to give John Tavares a 7 year, 10 million dollar per year contract?
I think it would be a franchise crippler!
John Tavares is a great hockey player, but he has never been an elite skater, and that is going to start to affect his overall performance as he moves into his 30’s. I certainly don’t want to pay him 10 million a year till he is 34 years old.
The Oilers got it right with their star players. They are paying them the big dollars and term through their peak years. Mcdavid will probably warrant another 8 year big money deal because he is such a great skater. But I would not sign Drai to another long term big money deal at the age of 29.