Draft Post No. 1: Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels

We’re inside the trade window now, teams positioning themselves for the draft and free agency by using assets great and small to acquire talent. Yesterday we discussed a Terry Jones article that put everyone on notice: Edmonton is about to do something in the procurement market. What would that look like?

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OILERS 2018 DRAFT PICKS

  • First Round—No. 10 overall. Ty Smith
  • Second Round—No. 40 overall. Liam Foudy.
  • Third Round—No. 71 overall. Sean Durzi
  • Fourth Round—No. 102 overall (Oilers acquired goaltender Al Montoya from the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for a conditional fourth-round pick in 2018. Montoya covered the condition).
  • Fifth Round—No. 133 overallPavel Gogolev
  • Sixth Round—No. 164 overall. 
  • Seventh Round—No. 195 overall

Using Craig Button’s list I linked to yesterday, Edmonton’s top three selections would be Oliver Wahlstrom, Liam Foudy and John Gruden. That would be a massive draft.

CHIARELLI’S NEEDS LIST

  1. A scoring winger capable of sliding up and down the depth chart as required (Rattie insurance and a finisher for Leon’s line).
  2. A two-way winger who can provide veteran presence on the third line.
  3. A second-pairing defender (patience may require this solution arrives later).
  4. A backup goalie (Mikko Noskinen).

CHIARELLI’S ASSET LIST

  1. Oscar Klefbom
  2. Jesse Puljujarvi
  3. No. 10 overall
  4. Andrej Sekera
  5. Ryan Strome
  6. Kris Russell
  7. Zack Kassian
  8. Milan Lucic

I have included the NMC’s due to Milan Lucic’s presence on the TSN Trade List. This list isn’t pulled out of nowhere and there are some amazing names on it (more in a minute).

TARGETS

The TSN trade list is fascinating. Compiled by the insiders and focused on names in play, last year’s list identified 10 (33 percent) of a 30-man list who would eventually move on. Milan Lucic makes the list, Oscar Klefbom does not (but did make an appearance here). Again, the people behind the work aren’t just making things up. Here are the fascinating names that may be of interest to Edmonton this month (with years left on contract).

  • L Mike Hoffman, Ottawa Senators. I’m a big fan of this player, brilliant scorer. (2) (5.187M)
  • L Jeff Skinner, Carolina Hurricanes. Speed merchant and a born scorer. (1) (5.725M)
  • L Max Pacioretty, Montreal Canadiens. Talented scorer. (1) (4.5M)
  • LD Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Arizona Coyotes. If he’s available, Oilers will push. (1) (5.5M)
  • RD P.K. Subban, Nashville Predators. Why is he always available (4) (9.0M)
  • RD Dougie Hamilton, Calgary Flames. The impossible dream (3) (5.75M)
  • L Max Domi, Arizona Coyotes. He’s a skilled player on a struggling team (RFA)
  • L Alex Galchenyuk, Montreal Canadiens. He would be a solid addition (2) (4.9M)
  • L Andre Burakovsky, Washington Capitals. He’s a brilliant young player (1) (3.0M)
  • RD Chris Tanev, Vancouver Canucks. Seldom mentioned, he can help the Oilers (2) (4.45M)
  • L Vladislav Namestnikov, NY Rangers. Skilled winger apparently available. (RFA)

Plenty of options, lots of cap. I like Burakovsky a lot but can’t imagine the Capitals dealing him. If you can trade Lucic without retaining (more in a minute) then maybe it’s possible to snag one of these fine wingers (Hoffman would be my choice). As for defensemen, they all have appeal but price is an issue.

MILAN LUCIC

  • Jason Gregor, TSN1260: “I’ve heard that he (Lucic) would be open to a trade but obviously he’s going to have to agree to the city. If you’re moving him, you’re taking on a bad contract as well.” Source

Gregor was in conversation with Ryan Rishaug at the time, and Rishaug said he thought the team would be better off just bringing Lucic back as opposed to dealing him for another difficult contract. I agree with him, depending on the actual player coming back. You get into problems, like Corey Perry at 33 with a $8.625M contract for three more years (all of the numbers via CapFriendly) or Bobby Ryan ($7.25M times four) because there are other contracts out there for more than $6 million times five more years.

SCARED STRAIGHT

It also gets into an area I’ve mentioned a few times, and that is Peter Chiarelli’s pursuit of the aged. When in Boston, he added men like Mark Recchi and Tomas Kaberle, who were long in the tooth and then some, and he had success in doing it. Which brings me to Dion Phaneuf, he of the $7 million contract times three. A team owning this contract might see Lucic as an attractive trade option, and Phaneuf’s 3.98 5×4/60 scoring number a year ago might have some appeal.

CURRENT 50-MAN LIST

If the Oilers reach July 5 with Ty Smith, John Gruden, Thomas Vanek, Derek Ryan and Austin Czarnik, I’ll consider it a successful summer. The problem? Peter Chiarelli is an aggressive general manager who wants to add a power-play expert who plays defense. Torey Krug, making $5.25M for two more years, is likely going to cost you Oscar Klefbom. It continues a trend by PC of addressing specific need while also overpaying in the marketplace.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun, busy Thursday morning awaits us, beginning at 10 on TSN1260. A special thanks to everyone I met yesterday at the TSN1260 Golf Tournament, thanks for the kind words and hope you enjoyed the pie. Scheduled to appear:

  • LHP Erik Sabrowski, Cloud County CC. He was drafted this week by the San Diego Padres, making St. Albert and the entire Edmonton area proud. We’ll find out how he found out, ask about his baseball experience growing up and find out where he’s heading next.
  • Jason Rogers, Japers Rink. Long-suffering Capitals fans are on the verge of the team’s first Stanley. From an overwhelmed Milt Schmidt trying to make sense of the worst expansion pool in history to crazy trades and some of the game’s most entertaining players, they have finally reached the pinnacle of hockey. We’ll chat.
  • Rob Vollman, NHL.com and ESPN. Barry Trotz bet on himself and it’s going to be raining money this summer. We’ll also chat about Erik Karlsson and where he might land.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Final hockey game until fall tonight? SCF game five preview, plus a look at the TSN trade list.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. Rondo says:

    Hockey Prospect Final top 31 has some interesting rankings. Aside from Bob Mckenzie, I think these guys are the best.

    https://www.hockeyprospect.com/hockeyprospect-com-2018-nhl-draft-final-rankings/

  2. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – LT thanks for letting me do this (although I didn’t ask permission – again!)

    – I’ll keep putting it up untill we don’t get any responses, up to draft day:

    – I’ve posted this for the last few years. It’s a diversion for the summer: we all get to be arm-chair GM’s. Contest the off-season elaborate version of Hunters. Winner gets a donation to LT.

    What will the Oilers do (not what should they do, or what you would do!)?:

    1) Who will be the first drafted player by the Oil this year?
    2) Length and AAV of Nurse’s contract (or traded?)?
    3) Length and AAV of Benning’s contract (or traded)?
    4) Length and AAV of Strome’s contract (or traded)?
    5) Do any of Marody, Benson, Bear or other non-roster org players make the team for game 1?
    6) Will another senoir Hockey management type come in? Bonus Who?
    7) Who will be Lucic’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    8) Who will be Jesse’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    9) Who will be Kailer’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    10) Who of Klef, Larsson, Nurse, Russel, Benning, Sek aren’t on opening day roster: replacements?
    11) How many hockey trades does Chia make: bonus is one is named?
    12) Who is the most expensive Edmonton off-season FA signing?: bonus if you get multiple right

    Please answer in the the following format so I can cut and past easy:

    1
    2
    3
    4
    5
    6
    7
    8
    9
    10
    11
    12

  3. Lowetide says:

    Kinger: All good, I enjoy this every year.

    1. Ty Smith
    2. Nurse one year, $3.15M
    3. Benning one year, $1.15M
    4. Strome traded
    5. No, none of Marody, Benson or Bear make the team for Game One
    6. Yes. Ryan Smyth.
    7. Anze Kopitar
    8. Leon Draisaitl
    9. Cooper Marody
    10. Klefbom, Krug
    11. Three: Klefbom for Krug, Strome for something, Lucic for something
    12. Derek Ryan

  4. russ99 says:

    1 Joe Veleno – the defensmen, Kotkaniemi and Wahlstrom are picked before us
    2 2 x $3.5
    3 traded
    4 traded
    5 No
    6 Would love to see MacTavish kicked upstairs and Howson replaced by someone who’s had success at managing an AHL team focused on player development. Not sure Katz does it, though.
    7 Draisaitl
    8 Draisaitl
    9 Marody in Bakersfied
    10 Klef and Benning. Replaced by Risto and DeHaan – FA signing, Russell moves to left side.
    11 Three: Klef + for Risto, Strome’s rights for a 3rd rounder, Benning for 2nd year AHL forward with promise
    12 Vanek, 1 x $3M, also DeHaan as stable RD (1 x $2.25M) and pushing for Brodziak ($1.5M) and Dan Winnik ($1M) to shore up the bottom six.

    RNH – McDavid – Vanek
    Lucic – Draisaitl – Puljujarvi
    Winnik – Brodziak – Kassian
    Aberg – Khaira – Rattie

    Sekera – Risto
    Nurse – Larsson
    Russell – DeHaan

    Talbot
    Koskinen

  5. Yeti says:

    Rondo,

    Wow – Kravtsov at 6? I wasn’t expecting that.

  6. Woogie63 says:

    Torey Krug, making $5.25M for two more years, is likely going to cost you Oscar Klefbom.

    If Dougie Hamilton cost a first and two seconds, no way does Troy Krug cost a legit NHL dman like Klefbom.

    Is Krug even as good as Kelfbom? with that contract?

  7. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Lowetide,

    – I see what you did there: Lucic’s W for next year you said Kopitar, in L.A…..hmmmm….

  8. flyfish1168 says:

    In PC I do not trust

  9. Rondo says:

    Yeti,

    Veleno is not even in the 1st rd.

  10. Brantford Boy says:

    Rondo,

    Vitali Kravtsov 6th, what the poop?

  11. Brantford Boy says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Lowetide,

    – I see what you did there: Lucic’s W for next year you said Kopitar, in L.A…..hmmmm….

    He’s just goading us in for another debate… don’t fall for it, it’s a trap…

  12. PennersPancakes says:

    “I’ve heard that he (Lucic) would be open to a trade but obviously he’s going to have to agree to the city. If you’re moving him, you’re taking on a bad contract as well.”

    Sure without any sweeteners you’re taking something like the Phaneuf contract back. Is it possible that Chia is trying to make cap space and go after Carlson? Not that I agree with it but he clearly has no issue with big UFAs and the organization has made it clear theyre going to get a RHD PP specialist. Any realistic situation where the oilers come out ahead?

  13. defmn says:

    /// Jason Gregor, TSN1260: “I’ve heard that he (Lucic) would be open to a trade but obviously he’s going to have to agree to the city. If you’re moving him, you’re taking on a bad contract as well.” Source

    7) Who will be Lucic’s C when puck drops for game 1?

    7. Anze Kopitar////

    You’ve heard something from Jason, I assume.

  14. bendelson says:

    Nice to see Liam Foudy make an appearance. This is an interesting prospect. I’ve been waffling on whether he is a reach worth taking at #40 – he certainly won’t be there in the 3rd round. The kid is uber-athletic (a hurdler I believe) on top of being one of the fastest skaters in the draft. The question: How much offense will he bring?

    *edit: Note the ‘no arm jump’ results from the combine. He absolutely destroyed the field by over 3”!

  15. PennersPancakes says:

    defmn,

    Lucic still has houses in L.A and Vancouver having played and lived in them both respectively. Would think saying yes is a little bit easier to those teams.

  16. slopitch says:

    Ok I had fun with this. No chance I win ha. 2 big trades.

    1) Calen Addison or Vitali Kravtsov
    2) 8 x 4.75
    3) 3 years 1/6/1.8/2.0 with a 1.8 avg
    4) 1 year 2.5
    5) Marody
    6) No
    7) Kevin Hayes
    8) Matt Duchene
    9) Tyler Benson (AHL)
    10) Larsson, Nurse, Russel, Benning, Sek
    11) 2
    – Karlsson for Klefbom, JP, Drake C
    – Lucic, 10 for 26, Namestnikov
    12) Noskinen

  17. 36 percent body fat says:

    Lucic for Perry would be interesting. One year less but higher cap hit. Could Perry return to 30 goals 40 assists with McDavid?

    He has accomplished everything and I mean everything. Other than collecting his check what is his motivation. Would a fresh challenge be good for him, or a legacy with one team?

    Interesting thought. Tough call.

  18. Alpine says:

    russ99,

    I’m not sure there’s a way all the top defensemen and Wahlstrom/Kotkaniemi go before 10 unless you’re assuming Tkachuk drops to 10 or you’re omitting someone (Dobson??) from the “defensemen” grouping. One of Bouchard/Boqvist/Dobson or Kotkaniemi/Wahlstrom/Tkachuk will be there at 10, meaning Veleno likely shouldn’t be BPA at that point.

  19. Danny29 says:

    1) Adam Boqvist
    2) 2×3.5
    3) 2×1.25
    4) traded
    5) Does yam count?
    6) Nope.
    7) Adrian Kempe
    8) L.D.
    9) 97
    10) All are on the roster
    11) Strome, Lucic
    12) Vanek

  20. defmn says:

    PennersPancakes,

    Agreed. Players rarely ask for a NMC or NTC because they don’t want to be traded. They ask for them so they get some control over where they can be moved.

  21. JimmyV1965 says:

    I think the Oil have a legit shot at drafting Wahlstrom if it wasn’t for those damn Rangers. There’s a possibility he falls all the way to 9, but there’s no way he gets by the Rangers, who actually have good D and C prospects already. Wingers are the weakest position in their prospect pool.

    I wonder what it would cost to switch spots at the draft with the Hawks (8)? I doubt the Hawks want Wahlstrom because they need Cs and Ds. In fact, the player they get at 8 won’t be much different than the player they get at 10, if kotkaniemi is already off the board by the time it gets to them.

    Could be an interesting draft day trade. Wonder if they would do it for a third rounder? I wouldn’t do it for the second rounder though. But if
    kotkaniemi is off the board it might not really matter to them.

  22. --hudson-- says:

    Haven’t seen it mentioned yet, but Ty Smith was one of the prospects the Oilers took out for dinner. Mentioned at about the 40 second mark https://youtu.be/Hcvlp7iQVV8

    The other player we know so far is Kotkaniemi.

    I have listened to the Bouchard, Dobson, Boqvist, Wahlstrom, Hughes interviews and there was no mention of dinner. Maybe there higher drafting team gets priority? Not sure what no dinner means, but obviously dinner is extended interest in the prospect.

  23. Lexx says:

    Could an Eric Johnson out of Colorado or Chris Tanev from Van be a hockey trade for Lucic? Looking at both Colorado makes more sense but the Vancouver angle is tough to ignore with the NMC.

  24. ArmchairGM says:

    Rondo:
    Hockey Prospect Finaltop 31has interesting rankings. Aside from Bob Mckenzie, I think these guys are the best.

    https://www.hockeyprospect.com/hockeyprospect-com-2018-nhl-draft-final-rankings/

    So we have a choice between Bouchard and Boqvist – who do you pick? (community question)

  25. Rondo says:

    Ty Smith

    17. New Jersey Devils – Ty Smith (Spokane, WHL)
    I will admit that I am lower on Smith than most, and that is reflected in this mock draft where I have Smith going outside of the lottery. I know some scouts do have concerns over his poor performances on bigger stages this year (TPG, U18’s) and have questions about why his decision making with the puck seems to suffer when the pace increases. But he remains a solid defensive prospect with a great deal of offensive potential. New Jersey looks to take the best player available here in Smith, and have been no stranger to the WHL in recent years. Smith also fits in well with their young roster as a potential powerplay QB.

    http://ohlprospects.blogspot.com/2018/05/2018-nhl-mock-draft.html

  26. Boreal says:

    Just looking for feedback.

    Ryan O’Reilly is being discussed as potentially available. 7.5 cap hit and signed through 2023-24.

    Would you move our Ryan (RNH) for Buffalo’s (O’Reilly)? Straight up.

  27. classict says:

    Lexx:
    Could an Eric Johnson out of Colorado or Chris Tanev from Van be a hockey trade for Lucic? Looking at both Colorado makes more sense but the Vancouver angle is tough to ignore with the NMC.

    I think in the past I’ve read the ask for Tanev would be high. Dumping Lucic probably raises that cost. Oilers would probably need to take back Eriksson (if he’d even waive) and add some combination of high picks and a good D prospect,

  28. Cahoon says:

    ArmchairGM,

    I pick Boqvist. I got a gut feeling that we’re going to get him and I will have to celebrate.

  29. Yeti says:

    ArmchairGM: So we have a choice between Bouchard and Boqvist – who do you pick? (community question)

    I very much imagine that the Oil would take Bouchard out of the two.

  30. PennersPancakes says:

    Boreal: Would you move our Ryan (RNH) for Buffalo’s (O’Reilly)? Straight up

    It feels wrong to say so but I think I would. At least consider it. You gain some cap hit but also the long term control. Would be interesting to dive into the more advanced analytics because in my mind looking at stat lines and eye tests I think O’Reilly has the slight advantage. Maybe a little less speed would be the main disadvantage?

    Id still like to see a year of Nuge of McDavids wing if only for the what if part of my brain.

  31. Jaxon says:

    I believe there are 4 players that are guaranteed to be gone before #10:

    1. Rasmus Dahlin
    2. Andrei Svechnikov
    3. Quinn Hughes
    4. Filip Zadina

    at #10, depending on who’s available, I think I’d pick them in this order for Edmonton:
    1. Oliver Wahlstrom
    2. Evan Bouchard
    3. Jesperi Kotkaniemi
    4. Adam Boqvist
    5. Ryan Merkley
    6. Vitali Kravtsov
    7. Brady Tkachuk
    8.Serron Noel
    9. Joe Veleno
    10. Noah Dobson
    11. Barrett Hayton

  32. Woogie63 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Lowetide,

    – I see what you did there: Lucic’s W for next year you said Kopitar, in L.A…..hmmmm….

    hmmm

    On a non play-off team. the fan base has Lucic as a 3LW, but LAK a play-off team, are going to trade for him and he is going to be a 1LW … playing with a Hart nominated center.

  33. Andy Dufresne says:

    “Which brings me to Dion Phaneuf, he of the $7 million contract times three. A team owning this contract might see Lucic as an attractive trade option, and Phaneuf’s 3.98 5×4/60 scoring number a year ago might have some appeal.”

    Wouldnt we be getting Phanuef for $5.25m ? Ottawa retained $1.75m when they moved him to LA.

  34. ArmchairGM says:

    Boreal:
    Just looking for feedback.

    Ryan O’Reilly is being discussed as potentially available.7.5 cap hit and signed through 2023-24.

    Would you move our Ryan (RNH) for Buffalo’s (O’Reilly)?Straight up.

    No, I think our 1C and 2C positions are filled for the next decade or so. Obviously you want to bring in skill wherever possible, but cap concerns prevent this from being a priority.

  35. Andy Dufresne says:

    36 percent body fat:
    Lucic for Perry would be interesting.One year less but higher cap hit. Could Perry return to 30 goals 40 assists with McDavid?

    He has accomplished everything and I mean everything.Other than collecting his check what is his motivation.Would a fresh challenge be good for him, or a legacy with one team?

    Interesting thought.Tough call.

    2 years less?

    Perry has averaged more than 50pts a year for the last 4 years.
    Hes 33 with 3 years left at $8.625 AVV

    Lucic is 30 with 5 years left at $6m AVV

    Both guys have been very healthy / missed very few games in thier careers.

    If nothing better is available….Id consider trading Lucic for Perry

    However, if we are moving Klefbom for a righty….then moving Lucic $6m x 5 for Phanuef $5.25 x3 would probably make more sense.

  36. Boreal says:

    PennersPancakes: It feels wrong to say so but I think I would. At least consider it. You gain some cap hit but also the long term control. Would be interesting to dive into the more advanced analytics because in my mind looking at stat lines and eye tests I think O’Reilly has the slight advantage. Maybe a little less speed would be the main disadvantage?

    Id still like to see a year of Nuge of McDavids wing if only for the what if part of my brain.

    I like RNH a lot and like you it seems wrong to suggest moving him. But there is an edge to his game that seems to be lacking. From a very subjective point of view, what sounds better to you as a hockey aficionado, McDavid, Draisaitl, and RNH, or McDavid, Draisaitl, and O’Reilly? I think I would take the latter.

  37. Boreal says:

    ArmchairGM: No, I think our 1C and 2C positions are filled for the next decade or so. Obviously you want to bring in skill wherever possible, but cap concerns prevent this from being a priority.

    The idea would be to use O’Reilly like is planned for RNH.

  38. Jaxon says:

    Yeti:
    Rondo,

    Wow – Kravtsov at 6? I wasn’t expecting that.

    I’m surprised too. But the KHL is so hard on young players. They barely give them any icetime. Kravtsov only got about 5.2 5-on-5 per game but he dominated when he did play scoring 1.97 Even Strength Primary Points / 60 in the KHL is no small feat. Then when they did give him icetime in the playoffs he went on a historic run for a player his age. Plus he’s fast and 6’3″. I wonder if other scouts/rankings will follow suit.

  39. 36 percent body fat says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    I do it than for sure.

  40. Woogie63 says:

    1. Bouchard
    2) Nurse – 6X $4.1
    3) Benning – 2 X $1.75
    4) Strome 3 x $2.5M
    5) Lowe as the 7th defenseman?
    6) Yes? Darren Abbott?
    7) Lucic centre – Draisaitl?
    8) Jesse’s centre – Draisaitl
    9) Kailer’s Center – Marody
    10) All return
    11) Jake Virtanen for Tyler Benson
    12) Chris Wagner 2X$1.1

    RNH- McDavid-Rattie
    Lucic- Draisaitl- Puljajarvi
    Khaira-Strome-Virtanen
    Caggulia-Wagner-Kassian

    Klefbom – Larsson
    Nurse – Russell
    Sekera – Benning
    Lowe

    Talbot
    Koskinen

  41. Geranium Lover says:

    1) Who will be the first drafted player by the Oil this year?
    2) Length and AAV of Nurse’s contract (or traded?)?
    3) Length and AAV of Benning’s contract (or traded)?
    4) Length and AAV of Strome’s contract (or traded)?
    5) Do any of Marody, Benson, Bear or other non-roster org players make the team for game 1?
    6) Will another senoir Hockey management type come in? Bonus Who?
    7) Who will be Lucic’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    8) Who will be Jesse’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    9) Who will be Kailer’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    10) Who of Klef, Larsson, Nurse, Russel, Benning, Sek aren’t on opening day roster: replacements?
    11) How many hockey trades does Chia make: bonus is one is named?
    12) Who is the most expensive Edmonton off-season FA signing?: bonus if you get multiple right

    Please answer in the the following format so I can cut and past easy:

    1 Adam Boqvist
    2 8 X $5.25 MM
    3 2 X $1.85 MM
    4 2 X $3 MM
    5 Yamamoto
    6 No
    7 Traded
    8 Traded to Ottawa
    9 Strome
    10 Klef
    11 Lucic for ?, Klef + Puljujarvi + 10 OV for Karlsson (HT to Godot10)
    12 I got nothing

  42. McSorley33 says:

    I agree with Rishaug – I am inclined to just stick with Looch rather than take another bad contract back.

  43. PennersPancakes says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Real question is what side is Phaneuf better played on? He has the offensive pedigree/skill set that playing off hand better opens him up for the shot. I believe he played right side despite being left handed for the better part of his career? Unless they move out some cap from the defense (that expensive third pairing) you could look at:

    Klefbom – Larsson
    Nurse – Phaneuf
    Sekera – Benning
    Russel

    I would try my hardest to move Russell/Sekera depending on what you get back/cost but I don’t mind that defense.

  44. Westchester Oil says:

    Andy Dufresne:

    However, if we are moving Klefbom for a righty….then moving Lucic $6m x 5 for Phanuef $5.25 x3 would probably make more sense.

    Can’t see why LA would do that. We’d have to retain some of Looch’s salary or throw in a sweetener.

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    I have been adamant that I’m against committing any cap with term to a top 6 winger as I believe the top 6 winger positions can be filled, in time, with graduating prospects on value contracts and our cap structure requires value contracts to balance out the bloated contracts and the other high end (but earned) contracts.

    Disposing of Lucic without taking back a similar type contract definitely changes that and provides room for a middle 6 winger addition.

    I do think that Lucic is tradeable (of course, subject to his waive), if the Oilers retain apx $1.5M – that’s a five year dead cap hit but it opens up $4.5M for his replacment or, potentially, something like $2M for Namestnikov and an extra $2.5M for other areas.

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lets say that Krug replacing Klefbom makes the team better (and that is far from a given and, personally, I would argue against it).

    Even if that is true, given age and contracts, it is still not a trade the Oilers should make, in my opinion.

    Within a couple of years, Krug will need to be signed to a “UFA contract” and will, undoubtedly, be even more expensive. If he’s not more expensive then, well, we lost the trade.

    The cost certainty of Klefbom’s deal, for 5 more years, is massive. It is reasonably probably that he outperforms that contract for the majority of the next 5 years and, at the very least, will be value for the contract (assuming he’s not chronically on IR for 30 plus games/season).

    I want to improve this year but, to me, I can’t see this being a trade that helps the team beyond the next year or two.

  47. npanciroli says:

    RNH and Klef for ROR and Risto would be a crazy trade.

    I think I do it also. You gain some cap is the only problem.

  48. ArmchairGM says:

    Boreal: The idea would be to use O’Reilly like is planned for RNH.

    Bit of a waste of his skills, don’t you think?

  49. --hudson-- says:

    npanciroli:
    RNH and Klef for ROR and Risto would be a crazy trade.

    I think I do it also. You gain some cap is the only problem.

    I wonder if Buffalo already thinks they have an RNH in Sam Reinhart. Would they be complimentary players or would Buffalo be looking for a different mix?

    Maybe the talks could shift to RNH & Klef for Reinhart & Risto? (plus whatever is needed to even things out)

  50. digger50 says:

    If Peter manages to screw up this summer he’ll have a hard time finding work. Teams will remember his inheritance of a McDavid / Hall / Leon / Nuge team, Plus cap space and extra draft picks and turned it into….

  51. JustWatt says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    1) Who will be the first drafted player by the Oil this year?
    2) Length and AAV of Nurse’s contract (or traded?)?
    3) Length and AAV of Benning’s contract (or traded)?
    4) Length and AAV of Strome’s contract (or traded)?
    5) Do any of Marody, Benson, Bear or other non-roster org players make the team for game 1?
    6) Will another senoir Hockey management type come in? Bonus Who?
    7) Who will be Lucic’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    8) Who will be Jesse’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    9) Who will be Kailer’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    10) Who of Klef, Larsson, Nurse, Russel, Benning, Sek aren’t on opening day roster: replacements?
    11) How many hockey trades does Chia make: bonus is one is named?
    12) Who is the most expensive Edmonton off-season FA signing?: bonus if you get multiple right

    Please answer in the the following format so I can cut and past easy:

    1 Kravtsov
    2 Nurse: 2 x 3.75
    3 Benning: 2 x 2.0
    4 Strome 4 x 2.75
    5 0/3
    6 no
    7 Florida’s 2C
    8 Draisaitl
    9 Marody in Bakersfield
    10 all preset on opening day
    11 3: Lucic for Petrovic
    12 Grabner

  52. JustWatt says:

    Boreal: The idea would be to use O’Reilly like is planned for RNH.

    ROR is a much better center, always at the top of the league in face-off%. I think you use him more like Leon with Connor, who took most of the face-offs and freed McDavid up to play all offense.

  53. Boreal says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Waste of skills? Perhaps, but no more than moving RNH to the wing. Both RNH or ROR offer flexibility, either to use one of them or Draisaitl on McD’s wing and the other as 2C.

  54. JustWatt says:

    npanciroli:
    RNH and Klef for ROR and Risto would be a crazy trade.

    I think I do it also. You gain some cap is the only problem.

    Me too. I like ROR a little better than Nuge and Risto fills in 2RD. It’s a bit of a wash talent-wise but it balances the team better, IMO.

  55. Bling says:

    Staples has an interesting piece up, saying that Lucic’s scoring chance numbers didn’t really change too much between the first and second halves. The downside is that his SC numbers weren’t top 6 level at any point last year.

    If Lucic returns, I think he will in a 3rd/4th line role, sans PP time. He may prefer to move on if playing with McDavid/Drai is indeed off the table.

  56. texmex says:

    I can see ROR being traded to Calgary for Dougie Hamilton. If so, does that make Risto available? Klef for Risto? I’m not sure Buffalo would do that.

    Nurse Risto
    Sek Lars
    Russ Benning

    We need to find a way to keep Klef and nurse AND get a 2RHD. I have no idea how or if that is possible.

  57. dustrock says:

    npanciroli:
    RNH and Klef for ROR and Risto would be a crazy trade.

    I think I do it also. You gain some cap is the only problem.

    I’d definitely do this trade

  58. Wolfpack says:

    One scenario that I have been thinking about revolves around the Nurse contract negotiations. What if PC is tired of coming out on the losing end and decides that this is where he needs to take a hard stand? He and the Nurse camp my not be on the same page regarding a bridge or a long-term deal. In this case, I could see something happening around Nurse + RNH for ROR and Risto. If you look back at ROR’s exit interview he made it pretty clear he was miserable in that locker room. Buffalo could improve the culture in the room and extend Nurse long-term. As mentioned by others, this balances the Oilers a bit more as a team. I would hate to trade Nurse but this is a circumstance where it probably makes the Oilers a better team in the short-term at least.

  59. Woogie63 says:

    dustrock: I’d definitely do this trade

    RNH is a 60 game a year 45 point left wing, you are not going to get ROR or Risto.for him.

    I am sure PC tried to get Larsson with Eberle and RNH before he had to give up Hall.

  60. Woogie63 says:

    Wolfpack:
    One scenario that I have been thinking about revolves around the Nurse contract negotiations. What if PC is tired of coming out on the losing end and decides that this is where he needs to take a hard stand? He and the Nurse camp my not be on the same page regarding a bridge or a long-term deal. In this case, I could see something happening around Nurse + RNH for ROR and Risto. If you look back at ROR’s exit interview he made it pretty clear he was miserable in that locker room. Buffalo could improve the culture in the room and extend Nurse long-term. As mentioned by others, this balances the Oilers a bit more as a team. I would hate to trade Nurse but this is a circumstance where it probably makes the Oilers a better team in the short-term at least.

    Don’t you think Nurse has signed his contract already and the team is waiting for a fresh news cycle?

    Why would Nurse go play at the Worlds without a contract. A serious injury at that tournament would cost him millions.

  61. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Stauff to Friedman: “How much value do you think Klefbom would have on the market?”

    Later from Friedman “Other players on other teams would tell me how noticeable it was that he was hurting last season”

    Fuck does it ever excite me that EDM wants to shop a great player on a better contract after forcing him to play very injured last season. The more things stay the same..

  62. godot10 says:

    Boreal:
    Just looking for feedback.

    Ryan O’Reilly is being discussed as potentially available.7.5 cap hit and signed through 2023-24.

    Would you move our Ryan (RNH) for Buffalo’s (O’Reilly)?Straight up.

    No. McDavid is a 50 plus goal scorer if Nugent-Hopkins plays left wing on his line (and they get an actual RW to play on it).

  63. treevojo says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    1 Bouchard
    2 8 x 4.5
    3 2 x 1.375
    4 2 x 2.75
    5 Bouchard
    6 no
    7 draisaitl
    8 draisaitl
    9 strome
    10 sekera. Injured
    11 0
    12 Derek Ryan 3 x 1.625

  64. texmex says:

    “This in from TSN’s Frank Seravalli, talking with Allan Mitchell on the Lowdown with Lowetide, news that the Edmonton Oilers are shopping winger Milan Lucic with a draft pick: “My understanding, and the reason that Milan Lucic is on our (TSN top trade) list is because, from my understanding they’re trying and talking to teams about potentially taking another contract back even if that means sweetening the pot with a pick or some other roster player in order to make it happen. They are pushing, or at least doing their due diligence and working to try and move on from Milan Lucic if they can. I just don’t know that it’s going to happen with that much term left. It’s going to be a really tough one to do.”

  65. RonnieB says:

    Since i haven’t seen anybody stick their neck out on an Edmonton/Carolina deal yet…

    Edmonton has strength down the middle and left D with main requirements being on the wings in the top 9 and on RHD. Carolina is overstocked on the wings and on D with their main requirement being a #1 center and some added toughness.
    On the assumption that the Oilers cannot move one of the NMCs, which would totally change the calculus, here is a trade suggestion.

    To Carolina: Draisaitl ($8.5), Kassian ($1.95), Benson, NHL rights to Slepyshev.

    To Edmonton:
    Svechnikov ($3.8 est.), Lindholm ($4.5 est.), Foegele ( $0.8 est.) 1 (or both) of Mckeown ($0.8 est.) , Zykov (RFA, $1.0 est.).

    Sign Lindholm (who will be a decent 2-way 2nd line RHC) to a long term contract before he has a breakout season like Couturier at age 25.

    The Cap hits for both teams would be roughly equal.

    The Oilers give up some strength at C, but solve their wing issues, retain the #10 pick, and move to within a trade for a solid puck-moving 2RD for the required balance photo by the 2019/20 season.

    Carolina gets their #1 C and adds some toughness on the wings. Win-win.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think Ryan Strome should fire his agent after he signs for 1 year at $2.5M which I’ve seen suggested a few times.

    He needs to be qualified at $3M – I don’t see any way he takes less than $3M per without term.

    I guess, technically, the Oilers could not qualify him and sign him for that in free agency – I think he gets more than $2.5M if he becomes a UFA though.

  67. StixMalone says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I think Ryan Strome should fire his agent after he signs for 1 year at $2.5M which I’ve seen suggested a few times.

    He needs to be qualified at $3M – I don’t see any way he takes less than $3M per without term.

    I guess, technically, the Oilers could not qualify him and sign him for that in free agency – I think he gets more than $2.5M if he becomes a UFA though.

    Agreed and I personally don’t see the Oil letting him go….

  68. PennersPancakes says:

    texmex,

    Buyers remorse 2/7 years in. Maybe Bergevin would still be interested

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    I believe there are three ways to trade Lucic (to a destination he chooses) and I rank them as follows:

    1) retain apx $1.5M salary and get a middling asset back (I think he’s got some value at a $4.5M cap hit)

    2) take back an equally debilitating contracts

    3) add a sweetner

    I like option one (even though the dead cap hit for 5 years would hurt).

    I don’t really like option 2 but there is always a chance the new player could rebound (he earned a big contract with good play at some point)

    I’m really scared of what the sweetener might be. If its G. McPhee or a 5th rounder, fine.

  70. Bling says:

    texmex:
    “This in from TSN’s Frank Seravalli, talking with Allan Mitchell on the Lowdown with Lowetide, news that the Edmonton Oilers are shopping winger Milan Lucic with a draft pick: “My understanding, and the reason that Milan Lucic is on our (TSN top trade) listis because, from my understanding they’re trying and talking to teams about potentially taking another contract back even if that means sweetening the pot with a pick or some other roster player in order to make it happen. They are pushing, or at least doing their due diligence and working to try and move on from Milan Lucic if they can. I just don’t know that it’s going to happen with that much term left. It’s going to be a really tough one to do.”

    …I really don’t think anyone will be interested in taking Lucic. We’re talking about a horrible contract, here.

    From capfriendly.com:

    YEAR// CAP HIT// SALARY

    16/17 6 8
    17/18 6 8
    18/19 6 7
    19/20 6 6
    20/21 6 4
    21/22 6 5
    22/23 6 4

    Lucic has seen his even strength performance decline for the past two seasons now. We are nearing the point of no return (if we haven’t passed it already).

    What team would want to pay Lucic 7 million this year while his cap hit is 6? I could see the contract becoming more palatable next off-season, where a cheap team could use it to reach the floor.

    If the Oil retain any significant money — for five years!!! — I don’t see it being worth it. Lucic, right now, can still be a useful 3rd/4th line guy, and maybe they can teach him to PK and/or sharpen skates 🙂

  71. John Chambers says:

    One has to remember that approximately half of Lucic’s total $42M contract will have been paid out to him after July 1st when he rakes in another signing bonus.

    Ergo, for a non-cap team they’d only be paying him $20M over the final 5 years of the deal. If Lucic was a UFA this summer, I’d guess that he could get a $4M x 4 deal, maybe 5.

    So if the sweetener is Benson, or a 2nd, plus retaining ~500k in salary … it’s a move that can get done.

    It doesn’t hurt that with a couple of young children his wife would probably be okay with living in a warmer climate over the winter. Edmonton’s lousy weather can finally work to our advantage!

  72. Alpine says:

    Lucic and NYI 3rd for Demers? ‘Zona can absorb the cap hit for a little while, they seemingly want rid of Demers and they lack veterans up front.

    Lol nahhh, it cant be that easy.

  73. John Chambers says:

    Alpine,

    Why does everyone hate Jason Demers?

  74. PennersPancakes says:

    Alpine: Lucic and NYI 3rd for Demers?

    What I wouldn’t do to make that happen!

  75. GMB3 says:

    If I remember this correctly, a week or two ago someone posted that’s carolina was actually considering Tkachuk, because they felt he brings an element the team lacks.

    Sounds like they could use the original “head of the table” man himself, Milan Lucic.

    Lucic + what to get Skinner?

  76. Bling says:

    John Chambers:
    One has to remember that approximately half of Lucic’s total $42M contract will have been paid out to him after July 1st when he rakes in another signing bonus.

    Ergo, for a non-cap team they’d only be paying him $20M over the final 5 years of the deal. If Lucic was a UFA this summer, I’d guess that he could get a $4M x 4 deal, maybe 5.

    So if the sweetener is Benson, or a 2nd, plus retaining ~500k in salary … it’s a move that can get done.

    It doesn’t hurt that with a couple of young children his wife would probably be okay with living in a warmer climate over the winter. Edmonton’s lousy weather can finally work to our advantage!

    Forgot about that, thanks.

    Would the Oilers consider buying out Lucic, I wonder?

    If my calculations are correct, that would be 1.73 million per year for ten years. I don’t know if it’s the right move, but that certainly gives you a decent amount of cap flexibility.

  77. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    1) Who will be the first drafted player by the Oil this year?
    2) Length and AAV of Nurse’s contract (or traded?)?
    3) Length and AAV of Benning’s contract (or traded)?
    4) Length and AAV of Strome’s contract (or traded)?
    5) Do any of Marody, Benson, Bear or other non-roster org players make the team for game 1?
    6) Will another senoir Hockey management type come in? Bonus Who?
    7) Who will be Lucic’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    8) Who will be Jesse’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    9) Who will be Kailer’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    10) Who of Klef, Larsson, Nurse, Russel, Benning, Sek aren’t on opening day roster: replacements?
    11) How many hockey trades does Chia make: bonus is one is named?
    12) Who is the most expensive Edmonton off-season FA signing?: bonus if you get multiple right

    Please answer in the the following format so I can cut and past easy:

    1) Ty Smith
    2) 8 x $5.4MM
    3) 1 x $1.35MM
    4) 2 x $2.85
    5) No
    6) No
    7) Kopitar
    8) Leon
    9) Marody in BAK
    10) Klefbom – Phaneuf
    11) 2 – Klefbom for Hoffman (OTT) – Lucic for Phaneuf
    12) Derek Ryan

  78. godot10 says:

    texmex:
    “This in from TSN’s Frank Seravalli, talking with Allan Mitchell on the Lowdown with Lowetide, news that the Edmonton Oilers are shopping winger Milan Lucic with a draft pick: “My understanding, and the reason that Milan Lucic is on our (TSN top trade) listis because, from my understanding they’re trying and talking to teams about potentially taking another contract back even if that means sweetening the pot with a pick or some other roster player in order to make it happen. They are pushing, or at least doing their due diligence and working to try and move on from Milan Lucic if they can. I just don’t know that it’s going to happen with that much term left. It’s going to be a really tough one to do.”

    This suggests the problem with (or for) Lucic is McLellan. Or this is what the Oilers have to be trying to sell to other teams. And that Lucic is not done like dinner and has fallen off the cliff into the abyss.

  79. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I think we might see a Russell-Phaneuf 2nd pairing on Your Edmonton Oilers.

  80. rickithebear says:

    I laid out these numbers at end of season
    RNH – Mcdavid – Rattie dynamic 19.3 cap hit
    RNH 6m 41g 47a 88p +60 pace in 16 games with Mcdavid
    Mcdavid 12.5m 61g 93a 154p +40 pace in 16 games with RNH
    Rattie 0.8M 37g 30a 67p +30 pace in 11 games with both

    The top 2 dynamic did not change at worlds.
    So Draisaitl can center some different talent
    I take 25g 70p from 2C

  81. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I think Ryan Strome should fire his agent after he signs for 1 year at $2.5M which I’ve seen suggested a few times.

    He needs to be qualified at $3M – I don’t see any way he takes less than $3M per without term.

    I guess, technically, the Oilers could not qualify him and sign him for that in free agency – I think he gets more than $2.5M if he becomes a UFA though.

    Really. Why would a team sign him for $2.5 million? The OIlers should definitely not qualify Strome. If he wants to come back on a one year $2 million dollar deal…fine. It would be a mistake for Strome to re-sign anywhere but in Edmonton. There is no better 3rd line centre job when one is slotted behind McDavid and Draisaitl. Chiarelli can lowball him all the way. The cap is going to be tight in most places. Guys like Strome are the guys you squeeze. The Oilers should play hardball, because they are the best situation for Strome, so the right thing to do is squeeze him.

  82. godot10 says:

    Bling: Forgot about that, thanks.

    Would the Oilers consider buying out Lucic, I wonder?

    If my calculations are correct, that would be 1.73 million per year for ten years. I don’t know if it’s the right move, but that certainly gives you a decent amount of cap flexibility.

    Nope…that is not his buyout. HIs contract is buyout proof. Signing bonuses have to be paid out at 100%. It is $733K per year plus his signing bonus for the next five years which averages around $4 million per year for the first five years, and then $733K for the last 5.

  83. npanciroli says:

    11) 2 – Klefbom for Hoffman (OTT)

    NOOOoooooooooooooooo!

  84. LMHF#1 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I think we might see a Russell-Phaneuf 2nd pairing on Your Edmonton Oilers.

    Hoping to get even worse are they?

  85. ArmchairGM says:

    rickithebear:
    I laid out these numbers at end of season
    RNH – Mcdavid – Rattie dynamic 19.3 cap hit
    RNH 6m 41g 47a 88p +60 pace in 16 games with Mcdavid
    Mcdavid 12.5m 61g 93a 154p +40 pace in 16 games with RNH
    Rattie 0.8M 37g 30a 67p +30 pace in 11 games with both

    The top 2 dynamic did not change at worlds.
    So Draisaitl can center some different talent
    I take 25g 70p from 2C

    Pretty sure RNH and McDavid were only together 13 games…

    I was looking at the WOWY’s for Draisaitl today, trying to figure out who his optimal wingers are on the current roster. Sample sizes are small, but Khaira is the best match on the left side and Kassian on the right. Just by WOWY’s. Now think about what it would be like to play against those guys… ouch.

    That leaves Lucic-Strome to anchor the third line, and a little shopping to do for a 4C.

  86. ArmchairGM says:

    LMHF#1: Hoping to get even worse are they?

    Jack Hughes, here we come!

  87. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    treevojo:
    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/andrei-svechnikov-top-carolinas-nhl-draft-list/

    Sounds like the #2 pick is locked in for Carolina.

    Yeah, I read that too.

    Dammit!

  88. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Khaira Drai Kassian.

    Great line. Punch it in and let Kassian chase and win down low. Establish a lethal cycle game, with Khaira pushing off and Leon’s amazing passes, that line could be lethal. With Zach providing mayhem in front JJ’s accuracy would have to only be good enough. Kassian and Khaira aren’t 2nd line wingers, but I would love to see that like deliver 2nd line numbers.

  89. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    LMHF#1: Hoping to get even worse are they?

    If they do that I think the plan is Sekera-Phaneuf for 2nd pair, but Russell-Phanef might happen.

  90. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Ran a couple of polls on twitter today:

    https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1004825067186876417?s=19

    https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1004847519820476418?s=19

    The second one is:

    EDM trades Klef for Hoffman and Lucic for Phaneuf.

    Are they better/worse or same for 18/19?

    I think it’s an interesting question.

    Thoughts?

    Also, please vote as I’m interested in your opinion.

  91. Rondo says:

    Some of the latest rankings regarding Ty Smith

    ISS- #19
    Corey Pronman- #21
    Hockey Prospect- #17
    OHL Prospects- #17

    I can’t see Oilers taking him at #10.

  92. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Ran a couple of polls on twitter today:

    https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1004825067186876417?s=19

    https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1004847519820476418?s=19

    The second one is:

    EDM trades Klef for Hoffman and Lucic for Phaneuf.

    Are they better/worse or same for 18/19?

    I think it’s an interesting question.

    Thoughts?

    Also, please vote as I’m interested in your opinion.

    Dont do the Twitterz.
    Better – Yes
    Is it a good deal No.

    I think Lucic will recover a bit and 2 years of Hoffman doesnt equal many years of Klefbom even if he is flawed defensively. Although I think we do acquire Hoffman someway this offseason

  93. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    John Chambers:
    Alpine,

    Why does everyone hate Jason Demers?

    I follow ARI pretty close and I don’t see any smoke around Demers.

    Had a very good season there.

  94. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Rondo:
    Some of the latest rankings regarding Ty Smith

    ISS-#19
    Corey Pronman- #21
    Hockey Prospect- #17
    OHL Prospects- #17

    I can’t see Oilers taking him at #10.

    He was one of 3 players that EDM took for dinner at the combine.

    They would have seen a lot more of him than other teams due to Yamamoto.

    Stauffer has mentioned him daily for the last couple weeks. Bob is good smoke to find a fire.

  95. LoDog says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I think we might see a Russell-Phaneuf 2nd pairing on Your Edmonton Oilers.

    Yes that would be the most logical. Maybe retain a little so both teams end up with the same cap hit.

  96. commonfan29 says:

    So Chia trades Hall partly because he believed signing Lucic could fill much of the void Hall would leave.

    Two years later Hall is going to win the Hart and Lucic’s contract is so terrible that the media is openly discussing the possibility of sending out valuable assets to get rid of it/him.

    Despite that fact that this shows pretty conclusively that Chia is cripplingly incompetent at making trades and signing contracts, he is allowed to continue as GM and do the following:

    1. Actively shop one of the team’s best Dmen, who is just entering his prime and is on a sweetheart deal.

    2. Sign Nurse to an extension that could easily go very very wrong.

    And it’s all fine.

    To Continuity!

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bling: Forgot about that, thanks.

    Would the Oilers consider buying out Lucic, I wonder?

    If my calculations are correct, that would be 1.73 million per year for ten years. I don’t know if it’s the right move, but that certainly gives you a decent amount of cap flexibility.

    You can’t buy out signing bonuses so the contract is essentially buyout proof – cap-friendly is currently down but, if the contract was bought out in the up coming buyout window, the cap hit for each of the next 5 years is between $3.5M and $5.5M.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: This suggests the problem with (or for) Lucic is McLellan.Or this is what the Oilers have to be trying to sell to other teams.And that Lucic is not done like dinner and has fallen off the cliff into the abyss.

    I don’t see a possible way to stretch the statement to put the blame on the coach.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Really.Why would a team sign him for $2.5 million?.

    Solid third line center that can play up the lineup and is becoming a plus penalty killer. The only right shot center on the team. Seems GM’s think he’s worth $3M:

    “I believe many teams would gladly pay him $3 million,” wrote an NHL manager via text this week. “He looked more comfortable as a third line centre this year and depth down the middle is crucial,” he added.

  100. Rondo says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He was one of 3 players that EDM took for dinner at the combine.

    They would have seen a lot more of him than other teams due to Yamamoto.

    Stauffer has mentioned him daily for the last couple weeks.Bob is good smoke to find a fire.

    I hope not, at #10 there seems to be better picks. We will see where Bob McKenzie ranks him.

    Mckeens has him at #15

    https://www.mckeenshockey.com/nhl-blog/mckeens-2018-draft-guide-final-rankings/

  101. greenshifter says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – LT thanks for letting me do this (although I didn’t ask permission – again!)

    – I’ll keep putting it up untill we don’t get any responses, up to draft day:

    – I’ve posted this for the last few years. It’s a diversion for the summer: we all get to be arm-chair GM’s. Contest the off-season elaborate version of Hunters. Winner gets a donation to LT.

    What will the Oilers do (not what should they do, or what you would do!)?:

    1) Who will be the first drafted player by the Oil this year?
    2) Length and AAV of Nurse’s contract (or traded?)?
    3) Length and AAV of Benning’s contract (or traded)?
    4) Length and AAV of Strome’s contract (or traded)?
    5) Do any of Marody, Benson, Bear or other non-roster org players make the team for game 1?
    6) Will another senoir Hockey management type come in? Bonus Who?
    7) Who will be Lucic’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    8) Who will be Jesse’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    9) Who will be Kailer’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    10) Who of Klef, Larsson, Nurse, Russel, Benning, Sek aren’t on opening day roster: replacements?
    11) How many hockey trades does Chia make: bonus is one is named?
    12) Who is the most expensive Edmonton off-season FA signing?: bonus if you get multiple right

    Please answer in the the following format so I can cut and past easy:

    1. Boqvist
    2. 2 X 3
    3. 2 X 1.5
    4. 2 X 2.75
    5. No
    6. No
    7. Coyle
    8. Leon
    9. Marody
    10. Klef. Suter
    11. Lucic, Klefbom, 2nd Rd for Suter and Ennis
    12. Gibbons, Falk (BUF)

  102. Woogie63 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Ran a couple of polls on twitter today:

    https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1004825067186876417?s=19

    https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1004847519820476418?s=19

    The second one is:

    EDM trades Klef for Hoffman and Lucic for Phaneuf.

    Are they better/worse or same for 18/19?

    I think it’s an interesting question.

    Thoughts?

    Also, please vote as I’m interested in your opinion.

    WG

    I think no.

    Klefbom is homegrown and we are about to find out what we have in that player.

    Phaneuf is toxic, the dressing room has really bad in Calgary and Toronto, interesting athlete, but don’t want him as a teammate.

    Hoffman has played his best years

  103. VOR says:

    bendelson:
    Nice to see Liam Foudy make an appearance.This is an interesting prospect.I’ve been waffling on whether he is a reach worth taking at #40 – he certainly won’t be there in the 3rd round.The kid is uber-athletic (a hurdler I believe) on top of being one of the fastest skaters in the draft.The question: How much offense will he bring?

    *edit:Note the ‘no arm jump’ results from the combine.He absolutely destroyed the field by over 3”!

    Liam Foudy is an interesting prospect. His Mom, France Gareau won a Silver Medal in the 4×100 meter relay in the 1984 Olympics. His Dad, Sean played in the CFL but before that was an outstanding sprinter. In other words he has fast twitch genes on both sides.

    At 15 he was showing real promise in the 60M sprint. I think his best was something like 7.37 which for a 15 year old isn’t bad at all. Then he moved to the 400 showing he has endurance to go with his speed. But he wasn’t great at it, running just under 54 seconds.

    So at 16 he tried 110 hurdles. While continuing with the 400 M. This made trying 300 hurdles a natural. The Olympics are contested at 400 but youth often only do 300. In some ways this is harder, 300 hurdles is a flat out sprint with obstacles in the way. He won Ontario championships and but up a really good number.

    But he picked hockey or it picked him. This was just as his coaches in Track and Field were trying to convince him to move to the jumps, particularly the triple jump. They thought he had a legitimate shot at being a world class jumper. The results of the Combine sure suggest they were right.

    Why does any of this matter? Because sprint speed predicts skating speed. And Foudy has wings on his feet. It shows every time he steps on the ice. And he can play at an insanely high tempo all game long.

    Now add to that the fact Foudy has a rocket for a shot and you wonder why he’d be around at 40, especially since he can stick handle at speed. Partly he didn’t get much ice time until London traded most of their vets. But mostly because he has a serious problem with zone exits. Believe it or not if he touches the puck in his own end it comes out less than 20%.

    If some talented coach can get him to wind up in his end and take off he could be the sleeper pick of this draft. I don’t think he will be there at 40. He is very hard working, and defensively responsible. And still learning the game but with those combine numbers and that ludicrous speed I am betting he goes late first round.

  104. treevojo says:

    commonfan29:
    So Chia trades Hall partly because he believed signing Lucic could fill much of the void Hall would leave.

    Two years later Hall is going to win the Hart and Lucic’s contract is so terrible that the media is openly discussing the possibility of sending out valuable assets to get rid of it/him.

    Despite that fact that this shows pretty conclusively that Chia is cripplingly incompetent at making trades and signing contracts, he is allowed to continue as GM and do the following:

    1. Actively shop one of the team’s best Dmen, who is just entering his prime and is on a sweetheart deal.

    2. Sign Nurse to an extension that could easily go very very wrong.

    And it’s all fine.

    To Continuity!

    1. Who signed him to that “sweetheart” deal?

    2. Explain how a nurse extension could go very very wrong?

  105. Mr DeBakey says:

    OriginalPouzar: You can’t buy out signing bonuses so the contract is essentially buyout proof – cap-friendly is currently down but, if the contract was bought out in the up coming buyout window, the cap hit for each of the next 5 years is between $3.5M and $5.5M.

    I put this up on the Lucic RE last summer:

    SEASON ** BUYOUT CAP HIT
    2017-18 ** $2,833,333.00
    2018-19 ** $3,333,333.00
    2019-20 ** $3,833,333.00
    2020-21 ** $5,833,333.00
    2021-22 ** $4,333,333.00
    2022-23 ** $5,833,333.00
    2023-24 ** $833,333.00
    2024-25 ** $833,333.00
    2025-26 ** $833,333.00
    2026-27 ** $833,333.00
    2027-28 ** $833,333.00
    2028-29 ** $833,333.00

    Its effin ridiculous.

  106. Bling says:

    Mr DeBakey: I put this up on the Lucic RE last summer:

    SEASON ** BUYOUT CAP HIT
    2017-18 ** $2,833,333.00
    2018-19 ** $3,333,333.00
    2019-20 ** $3,833,333.00
    2020-21 ** $5,833,333.00
    2021-22 ** $4,333,333.00
    2022-23 ** $5,833,333.00
    2023-24 ** $833,333.00
    2024-25 ** $833,333.00
    2025-26 ** $833,333.00
    2026-27 ** $833,333.00
    2027-28 ** $833,333.00
    2028-29 ** $833,333.00

    Its effin ridiculous.

    Wow that’s crazy.

    Thanks for the correction, GoDot and OP.

    Did not know that signing bonuses had to be paid out.

    I think I know why Katz is pissed.

  107. Todd Macallan says:

    Pregame: Willie O Ree, Manon Rheaume……. Richard Dean Anderson.

    Alright.

  108. Bling says:

    Woogie63: WG

    I think no.

    Klefbom is homegrown and we are about to find out what we have in that player.

    Phaneuf is toxic, the dressing room has really bad in Calgary and Toronto, interesting athlete, but don’t want him as a teammate.

    Hoffman has played his best years

    I agree with this.

    Phaneuf has been on the decline for some time, and Hoffman may be entering that phase of his career now. Meanwhile, Klef is on the upswing of his career and on a great value contract.

    You don’t have to squint too hard to imagine the Oilers wanting to rid themselves of both Phaneuf and Hoffman next season, while a guy like Klefbom blooms into a top pairing D.

    Drafting Ty Smith is wonderful, but it is NOT a reason to trade Klef, the same way that drafting JP was not a justification for trading Taylor Hall.

    The Oilers appear poised to do something extremely stupid.

  109. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Shopping Milan Lucic for another problem contract? Are you sure you want to do that? https://theathletic.com/383345/2018/06/07/lowetide-shopping-milan-lucic-for-another-problem-contract-not-so-fast/

  110. Munny says:

    Vegas has had a lot of zone time this period with nowt to show for it.

    Then they give Caps a powerplay…

  111. Rondo says:

    Ty Smith
    17. New Jersey Devils – Ty Smith (Spokane, WHL)
    I will admit that I am lower on Smith than most, and that is reflected in this mock draft where I have Smith going outside of the lottery. I know some scouts do have concerns over his poor performances on bigger stages this year (TPG, U18’s) and have questions about why his decision making with the puck seems to suffer when the pace increases. But he remains a solid defensive prospect with a great deal of offensive potential. New Jersey looks to take the best player available here in Smith, and have been no stranger to the WHL in recent years. Smith also fits in well with their young roster as a potential powerplay QB.

    http://ohlprospects.blogspot.com/2018/05/2018-nhl-mock-draft.html

    “Blueliners round out the top 15 in the form of K’Andre Miller of the NTDP, a favourite among the McKeen’s staff, and Ty Smith of the Spokane Chiefs, who captained Team Canada at the U18 World Junior Championship.

    It wasn’t a particularly good performance for Smith at the WU18 which, along with a disastrous showing at the CHL Top Prospects Game, helped to soften his stock after being ranked No. 10 in the McKeen’s preliminary rankings back in October.”

    https://www.mckeenshockey.com/nhl-blog/mckeens-2018-draft-guide-final-rankings/

  112. Munny says:

    Hoffman is horrible. Do not make him an Oiler.

    He has no interest in going to the tough areas, taking a hit to make a play, fighting off checks, being hard on the puck. He’s a perimeter player with a decent shot. That’s it.

  113. Wilde says:

    So, I just accidentally refreshed and lost a long version of this post, so now I’m just going to rage-post a short version.

    This was written in an article at The Athletic by Josh Yohe about Sullivan and Kessel:

    “That Cole was made available via trade wasn’t based on his merit as a player and really wasn’t because of his expiring contract. The coach and the player simply didn’t see eye to eye.

    Incidentally, if it were up to Rutherford, Daniel Sprong would have spent more time in Pittsburgh this season. There is something about Sprong, however, that prevented Sullivan from wanting him to stick around. Sullivan’s preference won out.”

    Daniel Sprong skilled. Daniel Sprong put pucks in net in junior.

    This year, Daniel Sprong put pucks in net in AHL very good. Jack Roslovic almost only peer as 20 year old.

    2.42 ePrimary points per 60 via prospect-stats.com

    Jack Roslovic 2.33, Denis Malgin 2.31.

    Roslovic 14 pts in 31 games in low minutes this year, Denis Malgin 22 points in 51 same.

    Daniel Sprong taken #46 in 2015, Oilers pick #41 in 2018.

    Could cost less because Sullivan meanie.

    Fin.

  114. Wilde says:

    Munny:
    Hoffman is horrible.Do not make him an Oiler.

    He has no interest in going to the tough areas, taking a hit to make a play, fighting off checks, being hard on the puck.He’s a perimeter player with a decent shot.That’s it.

    The only players that Oilers fans think less of than Oilers who score, is non-Oilers who score

  115. bendelson says:

    VOR,

    Great post VOR.
    Very interesting player indeed!

  116. Munny says:

    Wilde: The only players that Oilers fans think less of than Oilers who score, is non-Oilers who score

    What a bizarre generalization.

  117. Munny says:

    Caps with a deadly sword thrust. Vrana steaming in off the wing.

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    Hoffman is horrible.Do not make him an Oiler.

    He has no interest in going to the tough areas, taking a hit to make a play, fighting off checks, being hard on the puck.He’s a perimeter player with a decent shot.That’s it.

    Sounds like he can be traded for Ryan Strome……

  119. Todd Macallan says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    1) Adam Boqvist
    2) Nurse = 3×3
    3) Benning =1.5×2
    4) Strome = 2.5×1
    5) Bear
    6) Mark Hunter
    7) Drai
    8) Connor
    9) Cameron Hebig
    10) All on the roster. For better or worse.
    11) None. We all breathe a sigh of relief.
    12) Mikko Koskinen.

  120. hunter1909 says:

    Vegas = MacT dream team

  121. Munny says:

    The Knights, missing all appendages at this point, bite the Caps in the bum. Schmidt or Marchessault, hard to say.

  122. Munny says:

    Old Vienna on the powerplay gives the Caps the lead back.

  123. David says:

    The problem contract I would trade Lucic for is Bobby Ryan. Far more skilled than Lucic, has spurts of solid output like the most recent Senators run and his contract is one less year than Lucic. Hope he clicks with McDavid or Leon.

    The problem is there is probably no way Lucic agrees to go to Ottawa so it’s not an option.

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    Old Vienna on the powerplay gives the Caps the lead back.

    On a PP that he drew as well.

  125. Munny says:

    Not sure if this bum bite will count.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    That should be a good goal.

    Perron was just battling and was shoved in to the net – not sure he even interfered.

  127. Munny says:

    That would be a goal in my book. But it’s the NHL so who knows.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    Good goal – I think that’s the right call.

    Good on the NHL and the officials for making the decision in a timely fashion.

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    I am so damn torn. I am 100% on the Caps’ wagon (was on it before the playoffs started) but I do kind of want some drama and not a 5 game series win. I also want them to win at home. I also don’t want playoff hockey to be over – its been a great playoff season.

    #conflicted

  130. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sounds like he can be traded for Ryan Strome……

    Dunno. Money, age, position, linemates, GM love, etc.

  131. Rondo says:

    No goal, his skate hit Holtby skate and interfered with him. When you don’t call anything this is what happens.

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: Dunno. Money, age, position, linemates, GM love, etc.

    I was just joking as your description described Eberle’s play to a T in the mind of those that though he needed to go.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rondo:
    No goal, his skate hit Holtby skate and interfered with him. When you don’t call anything this is what happens.

    It may have but it was due to been man-handled by the Caps’ d-man (and I’m cheering for WSH).

  134. €√¥£€^$ says:

    I agree that it should count, I disagree with the ref not making the call before that, should have been double minors. Also, I hate any play that involves player contact with the goalie regardless of how it happens, the bluepaint should be his sole domain.

    And the after the goal Washington gets a scoring chance after a Vegas dman loses the puck because a Cap gets their stick into his hands. Shit like that needs to called.

  135. Rondo says:

    When there are no rules does not matter he was man-handled, he interfered with Holtby

  136. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Eberle had no problem going to the crease and takes more hits per 60 than either Strome or Hoffman. Hoffman is 13th on his team in iHDCF and has a shockingly low hits per taken number. I’d love to know his average shot distance. I’d bet it isn’t pretty.

  137. Munny says:

    That hand went up late.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Eberle had no problem going to the crease and takes more hits oer 60 than either Strome or Hoffman.Hoffman is 13th on his team in iHDCF and has a shockingly low hits per taken number. I’d love to know his average shot distance. I’d bet it isn’t pretty.

    I don’t disagree – hence why my post stated that was a description “in the minds of those that thought Eberle needed to go” – I never thought Eberle needed to go.

  139. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Rondo,

    You aren’t wrong. Same thing happened last year when Nurse pushed Kesler into Talbot, right? Nurse initiated contact therefore, the offensive player has carte blanche in the blue paint.

  140. Munny says:

    Reilly Smith pots one on the powerplay.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    Riley Smith gives the Caps the lead on a wild PP scramble.

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sorry, my description was wrong – great pass by Tuch!

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    This has been a heck of a 2nd period.

  144. Professor Q says:

    How was that not Interference on Karlsson (not just on Holtby, but holding Carlson and preventing him from moving to cover the open net)?

  145. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I know but it was necessary to distinguish myself from that groupthnk.

    I do understand the trade though… just wish the return was a little better.

    Still it allows Nuge at 1LW.

  146. €√¥£€^$ says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I would to see the Caps win it at home for their fans.

    Also, as exciting as Vegas has been I don’t like that they could win the Cuo in their 1st year. I feel that there is something wrong about that somehow.

  147. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Amazing to see Vegas getting breaks the oilers still don’t get.

    Fuck bettman and the NHL.

  148. OilSafety says:

    I could stand Phaneuf for lucic in principle but it would require movement of another d off the Oilers and it better not be klef or nurse.

    As another option, how about lucic plus say a 2020 third for Derek Stepan from Arizona?

    27 years old, 3 more years at 6.5 aav, more money, less term and probably more contribution

    He has a full nmc but so does luc, if one will move why not both.

    Play his right shot in the top six as a winger and back up center.

  149. hunter1909 says:

    The Chokeington Capitals.

  150. hunter1909 says:

    Vegas playing Route One hockey – reminds me of the Roman Army trying to fight the ancient Brits lol

    The Romans on one side: The best army in the ancient world bar none vs a mob of men+women without any other plan but to run screaming at the Roman Legions – astonishingly the brits won a few battles with this “technique”.

  151. Oz says:

    My take on Milan Lucic past season is that he was playing hurt.
    So was it his feelings?
    ML does not strike me as a touchy-feely kind of guy, but TMac has managed to alienate a few players in one way or another and I believe TMac has had major input into player usage, trades, roles (as he should) examples
    Hall trade …. he wanted to improve our D and he did, but we gave up a first line scoring machine (This trade turned out well in 17/18 for Taylor as he changed his approach to the Gand the oilers improved the D in a big way)
    Letestu ….. TMac has a penchant to use set plays and experienced players, and ML is another example, but with ML his contract does not allow for an easier trade. Other players who were played out of position include JP on third line, Cags playing higher than third or fourth line,
    Eberle traded a year before he had to be. By the way I like Strome as third line centr, but. cannot offer an alternative way to have had him for 17/18.
    This is getting long winded for me so now consider was he playing hurt?
    I think he was and for a long stretch and this affected his ability to handle the puck efficiently. His passing was terrible, and the physical part was missing to a large degree. N-S skating is adequate for the third line and he capable of net front presence on the first PP. E-W skating needs work,
    To sum up if a trade is not possible my forward pairs for 18/19
    RHN/McDavid
    XXX/LD
    ML/RS
    Also would like to go on record as not in favour of the GG hire as he demonstrated with the flames he has many of the same coaching tendencies as TMac, and if TMac bombs in 18/19 we will more of the same old.

  152. OriginalPouzar says:

    €√¥£€^$:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I would to see the Caps win it at home for their fans.

    Also, as exciting as Vegas has been I don’t like that they could win the Cuo in their 1st year.I feel that there is something wrong about that somehow.

    I know quite a few people that have extremely strong negative feelings towards the thought of Vegas winning the cup – its made them angry.

    Personally, I’m done with the Vegas story line and, although I understand the thought-process that their fans haven’t “paid their dues”, I don’t have the vitriol towards the idea of them winning that some others do.

    At the same time, I’m a long time Ovi fan and have been cheering for the Caps since the beginning.

    I too would like to see them win at home which is why I’m having some weird feelings watching this game.

  153. JimmyV1965 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Stauff to Friedman: “How much value do you think Klefbom would have on the market?”

    Later from Friedman “Other players on other teams would tell me how noticeable it was that he was hurting last season”

    Fuck does it ever excite me that EDM wants to shop a great player on a better contract after forcing him to play very injured last season. The more things stay the same..

    There is no way any team is forcing any player to play injured. Simply won’t happen. From what I understand, the team finally forced Klef to stop playing.

  154. OriginalPouzar says:

    Big save MAF – Kutznetsov could have one-time that puck down low earlier, couldn’t he have? From the Leon one-timer spot.

  155. Professor Q says:

    Also, how did McDavid’s “Do you want to check upstairs?” not make .GIF Of The Year candidacy?

    Oh. Matthews. That’s why.

  156. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilSafety:
    I could stand Phaneuf for lucic in principle but it would require movement of another d off the Oilers and it better not be klef or nurse.

    As another option, how about lucic plus say a 2020 third for Derek Stepan from Arizona?

    27 years old, 3 more years at 6.5 aav, more money, less term and probably more contribution

    He has a full nmc but so does luc, if one will move why not both.

    Play his right shot in the top six as a winger and back up center.

    Absolutely, Phaneuf is a better hockey player than Lucic and switching those two makes us a better hockey team. Russell (prefereably) or Sekera would need to go to open up room to find a middle 6 left winger and we still have our hole at 2RD.

  157. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I think Ryan Strome should fire his agent after he signs for 1 year at $2.5M which I’ve seen suggested a few times.

    He needs to be qualified at $3M – I don’t see any way he takes less than $3M per without term.

    I guess, technically, the Oilers could not qualify him and sign him for that in free agency – I think he gets more than $2.5M if he becomes a UFA though.

    Totally agree.

  158. Munny says:

    DSP continues his run with a great play. Tied up.

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    A broken play and Pisani, I mean, Smith-Pelly ties the game.

  160. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – If I’m Washington, the players must be so jacked thinking about the massive epic party shold they win there: all-time Cup post-party: just wow. Party time, its over

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    That’s the Sbisa we all know and love…..

  162. Munny says:

    Oh dear. Caps take the lead. Eller slots in a puck that leaks through MAF.

  163. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lars Eller. The bigmouth who said the Oilers play like a junior team (which they did under Eakins). Frickin’ hate that guy.

  164. hunter1909 says:

    Eller’s a useful player.

    This is a great finals series for me – for a change I don’t care who wins or loses.

    Such a contrast in style – the uber skilled Caps vs the crazies lol

  165. hunter1909 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Lars Eller. The bigmouth who said the Oilers play like a junior team (which they did under Eakins). Frickin’ hate that guy.

    Strange how people telling the truth about the Oilers riles us fans, despite the fact we know everything they say is 100% true.

  166. Munny says:

    Congratulations to the long-suffering Capitals fans on their first Cup.

    Enjoy it!

    And may it be your last in the McDavid era. 😉

  167. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – I’m happy for Washington: ran into Pitts in their prime often

    – All ovie does is score 52 in his first year. Incredible to think it was 12 years later…

    – No way McD waits around untill hes 32 to win his first cup with the Oil: respect to Ovie

    – It’s a changing of the guard in the NHL: LA, Chi, Pitts are old, the West is changing…

    – It’s OILTIME

  168. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Congrats to Ovi and the Caps! 2018 Stanley Cup Champs!

    Now who was it that picked Washington in five with Vegas winning game 1 before the series started???

  169. leadfarmer says:

    So happy for Caps and Ovechkin.
    Stupid media has been calling out his leadership for years as if that was the reason they havent won.
    Even just now.
    “When did you decide to become a more vocal leader”
    Are you kidding me

  170. OmJo says:

    Congrats to Ovi! He finally did it. It was a hell of a run.

  171. OmJo says:

    hunter1909: Strange how people telling the truth about the Oilers riles us fans, despite the fact we know everything they say is 100% true.

    It’s only okay when we hate the team.

    There’s a principle involved.

  172. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    Scott Oake, King of the Awkward Interview

  173. Bag of Pucks says:

    OmJo: It’s only okay when we hate the team.

    There’s a principle involved.

    Exactly.

  174. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kempny UFA? That could be a good add on a value contract.

  175. OriginalPouzar says:

    This has been one of the best on-ice Cup celebrations I can remember.

  176. flyfish1168 says:

    I wonder if they will get to visit the white house or the Kremlin.

  177. Side says:

    Sucks to be someone who bet on the Knights at the beginning of the year and didn’t cash out early.

  178. Oz says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    If both trades happen it is a loss, Lucuc for Phaneuf is a wash and since Phaneuf is less value than Klef, Hoffman does not add enough defense as a forward to make up the loss.

  179. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Side:
    Sucks to be someone who bet on the Knights at the beginning of the year and didn’t cash out early.

    – There was a poster in here who was talking about his friend being offered payouts: i told him he was stupid to not hedge: that’s why vegas is so nice: built on dumbies who think they know: suckers

  180. hunter1909 says:

    Ovechkin takes the Cup home to Moscow, shows it to Putin who promptly steals it.

  181. Gerta Rauss says:

    I thought that a Lucic/Gaborik trade might be an option while Gabo was still in LA-with some creative accounting maybe a deal can be worked out if all parties are motivated
    *the salary retained can be tweaked, these numbers are just placeholders

    Lucic to OTT for Gaborik with a $1M retained on the Lucic contract

    OTT then flips Lucic to LA with $1.25M retained for a modest asset in return

    -LA gets Lucic for 5 years and a cap hit that starts with a 3 (in this case, $3.75M)

    -Ottawa gets a modest asset for the Lucic deal, and saves about $3M total dollars when you compare the Gaborik dollars committed versus the Lucic dollars retained

    -Oilers get Gaborik with 3 years remaining on his contract with a cap of $4.875M, and retain a $1M on the Lucic deal for 5 years

    On the surface the Oilers gain next to no cap space for the 3 years remaining on the Gaborik deal,although a buyout is now an option for the Oilers (you can look it up yourself on capgeek-a buyout this summer is a load but not nearly as punishing as the Lucic buyout, a buyout next summer is not nearly as crippling)

    I guess the above will depend on what you think of Gaborik versus neon Dion…I’d rather take my chances with Gaborik’s groin than trade for Phaneuf but that’s just me

  182. Gerta Rauss says:

    Congrats to the WSH Capitals and their fanbase-good for them

    Enjoy

  183. innercitysmytty says:

    The play is to hold onto Lucic until the next lockout and hope he improves at least slightly in the interim. Compliance buyout should be available at that point.

  184. Gerta Rauss says:

    innercitysmytty,

    I tend to agree

  185. Bag of Pucks says:

    Capitals, who were the worst expansion club in NHL history, beat the Knights, the best expansion club in NHL history.

    Well played Lord Stanley, you magnificent bastard.

  186. --hudson-- says:

    Just noticed today is Lucic’s birthday. Happy 30th!

  187. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’m not sure if this has been discussed yet, but where does everyone think this year’s draft stacks up to last year’s draft. Where would the top two picks from last year be ranked this year?

  188. Munny says:

    Sekera for Kessel would qualify as a significant move. Might even get the difference in salaries retained.

    No way Seksy turns down a trade to the Pens.

    My fear is that it’s for Letang though.

  189. Professor Q says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    This has been one of the best on-ice Cup celebrations I can remember.

    For some reason it felt weird and scripted to me.

    Like, “wait your turn, once you get the Cup *then*, and only then, do you scream and yell “woo!” once or twice into the camera. Then skate back from your 10-foot skate and be quiet.” Every. Single. Player. Even the “woo!”s seemed odd and off a bit.

    After the presentation though, it was very heartfelt and the picture of Oshie with his father is priceless.

    Good for Addy Flint for beating cancer, too.

  190. Professor Q says:

    leadfarmer:
    So happy for Caps and Ovechkin.
    Stupid media has been calling out his leadership for years as if that was the reason they havent won.
    Even just now.
    “When did you decide to become a more vocal leader”
    Are you kidding me

    It’s always been a ridiculous bias. I do wonder what Don Cherry will say, though. Entertaining…maybe?

  191. rickithebear says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Capitals, who were the worst expansion club in NHL history, beat the Knights, the best expansion club in NHL history.

    Well played Lord Stanley, you magnificent bastard.

    It is the first cup final in a long time we’re both teams had the cup/conf Core criteria.
    1. HD sys coach Gallant, Trotz
    2. Top 10 HD goalie. #7 Fluery, #3 Holtby
    3. 3+ top 60 HD dmen
    Orpik, Niskanen, Carlson (Trotz), Djoos fits prospect criteria ( unit goal dif around +5-10 in prospect leagues. U20 SHL, U22 AHL)
    Mcnabb, Schmidt, C. Miller, Sbisa, Engelland
    Orgs with recent HD d development often influenced by structure coaches.
    NJD, WSH, TMP, NSH, CHI, LAK, ANA, SJS late 2000
    4. Top 6 team in Cummulative Top 125 production.
    VGK 6-7 depth
    Wsh #2 depth
    When I discussed my cup core theory on another site.
    I stated it was VGK HD def depth versus WSH superior 125 fwd depth.
    Karlsson reduction was critical.
    5. Increased even goal production in playoffs from bottom 6 forwards.
    DSP, ELler
    Eakin, Tuch, Nosek
    DSP last 3 goals in Final critical to series win.
    Nosek 2 evg drove game 1 win in final.

    VGK lost all HD structure in last half of final 3 games
    Chased def to perimeter leaving forwards free in front of net.
    Sound familiear?
    Nurse, Klefbom.

    When I developed cup core theory I went back and looked st cup winners after core influence EDM, Pit, MTL (thanks LT: pollack expansion draft Influence)
    I looked for Dmen who played 10 games and had unit goal dif 2 or better in a playoff season.
    To see what they had in common.
    HD protection d stood out.many on multiple teams.translate out of org.
    Table hockey goalie influence stood out.
    0% Corsi became evident

    5+ unit gd seasons
    9 Lidstrom
    6 Chara
    6 Pronger
    6 Rafalski
    5 Foote
    5. B. Stuart
    5 zubov

    4 unit gd seasons
    Matta
    Vlasic
    Orpik
    Girardi
    Stevens
    Niedermeyer
    A. Miller
    boughner
    Scuderi
    Letang forwards out scored his defence in 2 seasons. I excluded poor HD def outscore by Top 125 forward depth. He is prime example. Of much lower unit gd results with lesser teammates.

    3 unit gd seasons
    R. Warner Buf, FLD, CGY he was the aha dman.
    Vladivostok
    Yuschevich
    Wallin
    Timonenv
    Svoboda
    Salei
    Rivet
    Rozival
    Phillips
    Ohlund
    O, donnell
    Mcdonnagh
    Mitchell
    P. Martin
    Danny Markov
    Matvichuk
    Luhkowich
    H. Lindholm
    Lafebvre
    Kronwall
    Klemperer
    Klemperer
    Hjarlmasson
    Gusarov
    fetisov
    Ference
    Devries
    Chelios
    Boychuk
    Bieksa
    Abelien

    2 seasons
    Niskanen
    J. Carlson
    C. Schmidt
    Stoner
    I. Cole ufa
    sustr UFa
    doumulin UFA
    Ekholm
    K. Miller
    M. Greene
    Plus 42 others like beukobum, k. Lowe with 7 seasons not out scored by fwds.

    You want HD depth but players who can achieve Evp production getting pucks to forwards while protecting HD area.
    Cole
    Sustr
    doumoulin

    Going thru this again thier was a coach present post lockout in Chi involved in development of part of ChI core D.
    Then was in SJS during the time of development of Braun, Murray, Vlasic, Demers ( who was never the same after leaving SJS.
    Then was in Norfolk were he had lindholm, vattannen, Manson, Theodore
    Then Anaheim were he had Stoner, Lovejoy, lindholm, Manson, Vatanen, Theodore, Montour

    Trent Yawney you HD d whisperer!
    Ah maybe let’s keep Nurse
    But Klefbom?

    Gullickson HD sys coach
    Yawney HD d Whisper
    Vevieros PP ?????
    TMac stand thier until they dump you mid season.

  192. rickithebear says:

    Professor Q: For some reason it felt weird and scripted to me.

    Like, “wait your turn, once you get the Cup *then*, and only then, do you scream and yell “woo!” once or twice into the camera. Then skate back from your 10-foot skate and be quiet.” Every. Single. Player. Even the “woo!”s seemed odd and off a bit.

    After the presentation though, it was very heartfelt and the picture of Oshie with his father is priceless.

    Good for Addy Flint for beating cancer, too.

    You confuse waiting for Gary weasel to walk off.
    Then NHLPA brotherhood can celebrate with the team ( a brotherhood) 😉

  193. ArmchairGM says:

    Todd Macallan:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    1) Adam Boqvist
    2) Nurse = 3×3
    3) Benning =1.5×2
    4) Strome = 2.5×1
    5) Bear
    6) Mark Hunter
    7) Drai
    8) Connor
    9) Cameron Hebig
    10) All on the roster. For better or worse.
    11) None. We all breathe a sigh of relief.
    12) Mikko Koskinen.

    Well done – much better than mine. If Nurse gets a 3-year contract, will he be an RFA at the end, or UFA? I was under the impression that his bridge needs to be 2-years max otherwise he’ll be a UFA afterwards, which not a good scenario.

  194. ArmchairGM says:

    David:
    The problem contract I would trade Lucic for is Bobby Ryan. Far more skilled than Lucic, has spurts of solid output like the most recent Senators run and his contract is one less year than Lucic. Hope he clicks with McDavid or Leon.

    The problem is there is probably no way Lucic agrees to go to Ottawa so it’s not an option.

    I smell a 3-way with Vancouver.

  195. GCW_69 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – LT thanks for letting me do this (although I didn’t ask permission – again!)

    – I’ll keep putting it up untill we don’t get any responses, up to draft day:

    – I’ve posted this for the last few years. It’s a diversion for the summer: we all get to be arm-chair GM’s. Contest the off-season elaborate version of Hunters. Winner gets a donation to LT.

    What will the Oilers do (not what should they do, or what you would do!)?:

    1) Who will be the first drafted player by the Oil this year?
    2) Length and AAV of Nurse’s contract (or traded?)?
    3) Length and AAV of Benning’s contract (or traded)?
    4) Length and AAV of Strome’s contract (or traded)?
    5) Do any of Marody, Benson, Bear or other non-roster org players make the team for game 1?
    6) Will another senoir Hockey management type come in? Bonus Who?
    7) Who will be Lucic’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    8) Who will be Jesse’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    9) Who will be Kailer’s C when puck drops for game 1?
    10) Who of Klef, Larsson, Nurse, Russel, Benning, Sek aren’t on opening day roster: replacements?
    11) How many hockey trades does Chia make: bonus is one is named?
    12) Who is the most expensive Edmonton off-season FA signing?: bonus if you get multiple right

    Please answer in the the following format so I can cut and past easy:

    1Bouchard
    2. Either 1 yr at 3.5 or 6 yrs at 4.6
    3 1 yr at 1 to 1.2
    4 3 yrs at 3
    5. No
    6 no
    7 Leon or Barkov
    8 Leon
    9 Marody
    10 all stay. Can’t deal with the alternatives
    11 2 Kassian for another overpaid depth player
    12 Grabner at 2 yrs for 2.8 or vanek for 2 yrs at 2.6

  196. russ99 says:

    rickithebear,

    Cole is at the top of my list for FA defensemen the Oilers may be able to add, but we may be priced out of range, and it would be better for the team if Russell plays 3rd pair left side with someone on the right who’s a better passer.

  197. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Well done – much better than mine. If Nurse gets a 3-year contract, will he be an RFA at the end, or UFA? I was under the impression that his bridge needs to be 2-years max otherwise he’ll be a UFA afterwards, which not a good scenario.

    3 years of service and he’ll be an RFA at the end.

    4 years of service and he’ll be a UFA at the end.

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