Bennie and the Jets

Matt Benning is a good young NHL defenseman with a solid future. He’s already a solid third pairing rearguard, and there may be more responsibility in his future. Benning is the most successful of Peter Chiarelli’s college free agents and signed a reasonable two-year contract with the organization on Tuesday. In an organization starving for value contracts, perhaps Benning will be one.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • Lowetide: Oilers top 10 prospects in front of the 2018 draft.
  • New Jonathan Willis: The framework of a hypothetical Milan Lucic trade
  • New The Athletic: The 2018 NHL Awards.
  • New Mitch Brown: Tracking the best CHL blue in five data tracking categories
  • Lowetide: tough and important week for Peter Chiarelli
  • Corey Pronman: 2018 Mock Draft.
  • Jonathan Willis: Ranking the 2018 draft based on statistical performance.
  • Lowetide: The WHL draft pool 2018: Where are the forwards?
  • Lowetide: Can the Oilers repeat the 2017 draft haul?
  • Lowetide: Embracing a two-way mentoring role key for Ryan Strome
  • Lowetide: Oilers coveted righty defenceman could come in Round Two of the draft
  • Tyler Dellow: Milan Lucic’s transition into rush player wiped out much production
  • Lowetide: Shopping Milan Lucic for another problem contract.
  • Tyler Dellow: The value of draft picks and reasonable trades Canadian teams can make
  • Corey Pronman: 2018 NHL draft board.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the USHL.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and Russia: A draft tragedy.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the Republic of Finland
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and Sweden.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the QMJHL.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018Oilers and the WHL.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: Oilers draft history and the OHL
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the NCAA.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers at the draft: Overagers.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: Oilers scouting directors: A history.

CURRENT PROJECTED 2018-19 ROSTER

  • The cap may be less than $80 million, but we’ll go with that number until a new one appears. Benning’s contract is slightly more than I projected, but we’re still in a range where three players will be added with about $5 million in cap room (plus a need to have some wiggle room).
  • Assuming a $800,000 No. 7D, and a $1 million No. 4C, that would mean the right-wing addition would be required to come in just over $2 million (allowing for some wiggle room). Money’s too tight to mention.
  • Nurse will be a bridge unless PC offloads a lot of coin.

50-MAN ROSTER

  • We’re at 40 now, with Safin the only slide player who could turn pro.
  • Edmonton needs help on the wings, a No. 4 C and the organization is vehement on adding a puck-moving defenseman.
  • There is still plenty of room. Lots.

OILERS FREE AGENT LIST

  • G Nick Ellis RFA. Retired.
  • G Laurent Brossoit UFA. Unlikely to return.
  • LD Darnell Nurse RFA. A bridge deal likely part of the conversation.
  • RD Matt Benning RFA. Signed. 
  • LD Yohann Auvitu UFA. Reportedly heading back to Europe, there’s an NHL player here.
  • RD Mark Fayne UFA. He’s done with the Oilers.
  • LD Keegan Lowe UFA. Signed. 
  • LD Dillon Simpson UFA. Same spot as Lowe, likely room for only one.
  • LD Joey Laleggia UFA. He’ll sign with an NHL team that sees him as a defenseman. Maybe Vancouver.
  • LD Ben Betker RFA. Likely part of a substantial “Leftorium” haircut this summer.
  • RC Ryan Strome RFA. Several options for this player, including a trade.
  • RC Kyle Platzer RFA. I don’t think he’s shown enough in his entry deal.
  • LC Grayson Downing UFA. Unlikely to return.
  • L Mike Cammalleri UFA. I liked his contribution but the Oilers need more speed.
  • L Drake Caggiula RFA. Signed. 
  • L Braden Christoffer RFA. Signed an AHL deal. 
  • R Anton Slepyshev RFA. Heading to Russia. 
  • R Iiro Pakarinen RFA. Also heading to Russia. 
  • R Patrick Russell. RFA. I think there’s a chance he gets another deal.
  • R Brian Ferlin UFA. Barely got on the ice.

BENNING

Benning didn’t play the tough opposition much, but he performed well against elites when deployed. It’s interesting to compare his line with that of Darnell Nurse, who has spent a lot of time playing above his comfort zone in the NHL. Nurse-Benning third pair next season would work well and give this team some depth.

THE LIST (FORWARDS)

  1. R Artemi Panarin, Columbus Blue Jackets. I’d absolutely pay full price.
  2. L Andre Burakovsky, Washington Capitals. He’s a brilliant young player.
  3. R Phil Kessel, Pittsburgh Penguins. A strong scoring option.
  4. R Andreas Athanasiou, Detroit Red Wings. Impressive young player.
  5. R Wayne Simmonds, Philadelphia Flyers. One of my favorite players.
  6. L Jeff Skinner, Carolina Hurricanes. Speed merchant and a born scorer.
  7. L Max Pacioretty, Montreal Canadiens. Talented scorer.
  8. L Vladislav Namestnikov, NY Rangers. Skilled winger apparently available. (RFA)
  9. R Connor Brown, Toronto Maple Leafs. Solid young winger with some NHL experience, he also played with Connor McDavid in Erie.
  10. R Daniel Sprong, Pittsburgh Penguins. Excellent skater, strong fit.
  11. RC Austin Czarnik, Boston Bruins. Among the top scorers in the AHL.
  12. R David Backes, Boston Bruins. If Boston takes back Lucic.
  13. R Josh Leivo, Toronto Maple Leafs. Talented winger never plays.
  14. L Warren Foegele, Carolina Hurricanes. Big forward with skill and two-way acumen.
  15. L Nic Petan, Winnipeg Jets. Undersized and very creative.
  16. W Peter Cehlarik, Boston Bruins. Big forward with skill.
  17. LC Lucas Wallmark, Carolina Hurricanes. Nice range of skills.
  18. LC Zack Smith, Ottawa Senators. One of a few No. 4C options.

THE LIST (DEFENSE)

  1. RD Dougie Hamilton, Calgary Flames. The impossible dream.
  2. RD Matt Dumba, Minnesota Wild. A strong option at a major price.
  3. RD Tyson Barrie, Colorado Avalanche. Might be the best option.
  4. LD Noah Hanifan, Carolina Hurricanes. Impressive young player.
  5. RD Chris Tanev, Vancouver Canucks. Seldom mentioned, he can help the Oilers.
  6. LD Torey Krug, Boston Bruins. He posts terrific boxcars.
  7. RD Justin Faulk, Carolina Hurricanes. He is available, seems a default option.
  8. RD Alex Petrovic, Florida Panthers. Big, strong shutdown blue.
  9. RD Chris Wideman, Ottawa Senators. He’s a depth pickup but has some nice arrows.

I don’t think Edmonton has a chance at most of these players but their names are out there and they would be exceptional additions for the team. Signing Kris Russell limited Peter Chiarelli’s ability to wheel so badly, that’s a transaction that will impact several summers.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun morning, rich with draft talk as we get closer to Friday and the first round. 10 this morning, TSN1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal. We’ll chat draft, ideal trade targets, and what the roster will look like a week from now.
  • Corey Pronman, The Athletic. One final look at the 2018 draft.
  • Cam Hillis, Guelph Storm. Young center will be drafted by an NHL team this weekend, we’ll check in on a talented young prospect.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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167 Responses to "Bennie and the Jets"

  1. Jaxon says:

    Along with Johnny Gruden, another player I feel is criminally underrated is K’Andre Miller. Look at this chart:

    Click options on the right to isolate Defenders and 2018 draft:
    https://public.tableau.com/profile/mitchell.brown1648#!/vizhome/CombinedCHL5v5Data/ScoringChanceContributionsScatter

    Wow! K’Andre Miller is all alone 2nd only to Markley in Scoring Chance Assists/60 and 2nd only to Ty Smith in Scoring Chances/60. His Primary Points/60 adjusted to Age and League is 2nd only to Rasmus Dahlin. Recrutes has him in their scouts’ survey as the 4th Best Defensive D after Dahlin, Dobson, and Ginning. He’s a recent convert to D so he still has tonnes of room to improve. He’s 6’5″, 207lbs!!! “He skates among the best of them”, which is astonishing for someone so big. Pronman had him in his top 9 Best Physical Game List. I haven’t seen a negative or red flag in any scouting report.

    My Age/League Adjusted Projected Primary Pts at 5-on-5 stat:
    RASMUS DAHLIN – 32.04
    K’ANDRE MILLER 31.70
    QUINN HUGHES – 23.60
    ADAM BOQVIST – 19.87
    Darnell Nurse 16.94
    RYAN MERKLEY – 16.29
    EVAN BOUCHARD – 15.64
    TY SMITH – 15.43
    RASMUS SANDIN – 13.47
    CALEN ADDISON – 12.32
    NOAH DOBSON – 11.52
    That’s impressive.

    Or compare him to Evan Bouchard, Noah Dobson, Ty Smith, Ryan Merkley, Bode Wilde, Rasmus Sandin on this metric and he outperforms almost all of them in every category.
    https://public.tableau.com/profile/mitchell.brown1648#!/vizhome/CHLComparison/Dashboard3
    His one area for improvement could be Controlled Entries but I don’t think that is a game changer and he is still in the blue on that one. And that is while playing with Bode Wilde for most of the season who is a big drag defensively.

    I really don’t get why he isn’t being talked about in the top 10 or even in the top 3 D after Dahlin and Hughes and be among Bouchard, Dobson, Smith and before the glaring deficiencies in Boqvist’s, Merkley’s, and Wilde’s games.

    EDIT: ADD This by Mitch Brown at The Athletic from same data mentioned above:
    “Conclusion

    If there’s one takeaway from this article, it’s that Ty Smith and K’Andre Miller are both excellent players. Of the nine different ways we evaluated the prospects, Ty Smith was top-four in five of them. Miller was top-two in six categories, including every measure of offence and the top player in neutral zone defence.

    Unsurprisingly, Ryan Merkley was the best in exits, entries, shot assists, and scoring chance assists per 60. His skill level is elite, there’s no denying that.”

    https://theathletic.com/398538/2018/06/20/brown-the-best-draft-eligible-defencemen-in-five-categories-tracked-by-the-chl-data-tracking-project/

    I would gain an asset by dropping down 4 or 5 spots to take Miller. Maybe get another pick in the early 2nd round range to pick a Gruden, Lauko, Addison, or Mascherin.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    I had predicted 2 X $1.75M for Benning and have no problem with the contract.

    As LT posited, he’s already a 3rd pairing right shot D and I believe he has the potential to be a solid 2RD with some more development.

    With the Sekera injury, management counted on Benning taking the step up to the 2nd pairing last season but he wasn’t able to grab the job. I think he struggled in the first half with some confidence due to his concussion and, from the eye test, he was better in the 2nd half.

    As we all know, my biggest hole to plug on this team is 2RD, a player that can move the puck and play 20 even strength minutes. On the assumption that they aren’t able to acquire that player this summer (Pulock, Ellis extended in a dream scenario), Matty hopefully grabs the role so that Russell isn’t put in a position to fail again.

  3. Jaxon says:

    I think Skinner, Athanansio, Sprong, and Petan are very interesting options. The speed of Skinner, Athansiou, and Sprong are intriguing. Petan’s having trouble cracking Jets’ depth chart so maybe he can be pried away on the cheap.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    I believe that four players should be added, not three, as Brad Malone is not an NHL player and should not be on the team. Add $650K to the cap space and reduce the roster to 19.

    Money is tight – we’ve known for months and months and months that there would be apx $2M for acquisitions and that no material acquisition can be made without a corresponding move to move out cap.

    Personally, I wish we didn’t commit an extra $1.5M to the back-up goaltending position and we aren’t even sure if we’ve improved at the position. We can hope but the add has not track record of success in the league he will be playing in.

    I’d prefer $3.5M of cap space with Montoya as the backup or the same $2M of cap space but a back-up with more of a track record of success in the NHL (Bernier, Halak, etc.).

  5. Woogie63 says:

    Signing LB to a 1 or 2 year $1M contract (aka a Pitlick) is a reasonable option in my mind. Goalies take time and we have invested in Laurent. I would rather have LB as the starter in Bakersfield than Montoya.

    Wells and Skinner, are too young to carry all the load next year and not sure where Starrlett in the batting order.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    “We’re at 40 now, with Safin the only slide player who could turn pro”.

    If Safin plays in the AHL, my understanding is his contract will still slid as long as he doesn’t play 10 in the NHL.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    “Nurse-Benning third pair next season would work well and give this team some depth.”

    Can you imagine if Klefbom is back to his 2016/17 form with his shoulder repaired and Sekera is back to 90% health – that would mean Nurse is the third pairing D on the left side – now that is a good defensive group (2RD hole notwithstanding).

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    Panarin would be amazing on this team – either on 97s or 29s wing.

    With that said, he’ll need at least Drai money when he re-signs and, if he goes off for 40 goals (reasonable), he’s looking at over $10M.

    Does anyone think this player doesn’t want to get paid.

    I can’t see him fitting in with term with Drai on the roster, even if Lucic is moved without a bad contract coming back or retention.

    Its silly season out there – I refuse to acknowledge potential acquisitions like Karlsson, Paraykho, Panarin, etc.

    I think its more likely that a David Backes (or a Kreji) is an Oiler.

  9. Louis Levasseur says:

    Any concern that we tend to pine over other teams’ players, and like our players less. If Chris Russell was playing for another team and on a list of potentially available players, how would we describe him? Would we say “reasonable player who gets killed in Corsi and likely to be overpaid” or “tough as nails, shot blocking defenceman who can play both sides and settles the play down in his own end”?

    Also with Dougie Hamilton. A huge, stud, offensive right shot defenceman, who is locked up to a good contract. On the face of it, he is what every team (including the Flames) is desperate for and wouldn’t move. Somehow, he’s been moved once and may be available again after a short stay in Calgary. That sounds the alarm bells for me.

  10. flea says:

    Is trading Lucic for Jeff Skinner a dream or is that something that could happen? Maybe if the Oilers retain a little bit?

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think we are seeing the beginning of the decline for W. Simmonds.

    His game from 3 years ago would have been a perfect fit but I’m not sure that will be his game going forward. He’ll still produce 20 plus for the next few years, I’m sure, but my guess is his next contract has him paid as a 30 plus goal scored.

    My target on that list, if we can dispose of Lucic, Vladislav Namestnikov.

  12. Psyche says:

    “B-B-B-Bennie and the Jets!” Love it. Introduced my 5 yr old daughter to this song yesterday.

    Benning on a nice contract extension. A round of applause to Chiarelli. He did this contract well.

    Blue Bullet Report is awesome. Terrific info for folks, like me, who enjoy the data analysis perspective. He had a nice reminder on recency bias in regards to Dobson and Kotkaniemi. Thank you Brad McPherson!

  13. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    Jacob Trouba for any member of the Leftorium would check off a lot of boxes. We’re likely going to have $18 million worth of left-handed D next season. Enstrom has told the Jets he’s not coming back after the playoff scratch, so they might need a LHD. Probably costs us Klef, but Chia could probably find worse places to spend that asset.

  14. engineer says:

    Im pretty sure that Russell is already signed?

  15. Pink Socks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Panarin would be amazing on this team – either on 97s or 29s wing.

    With that said, he’ll need at least Drai money when he re-signs and, if he goes off for 40 goals (reasonable), he’s looking at over $10M.

    Does anyone think this player doesn’t want to get paid.

    I can’t see him fitting in with term with Drai on the roster, even if Lucic is moved without a bad contract coming back or retention.

    Its silly season out there – I refuse to acknowledge potential acquisitions like Karlsson, Paraykho, Panarin, etc.

    I think its more likely that a David Backes (or a Kreji) is an Oiler.

    100% right. The only way for Panarin to come is on July 2nd with Lucic going the other way along with JP, Klef, and likely a 2019 1st rounder. Then he needs to get paid, likely $8m this season because it can’t wait until he plays with 97 for a year to give him a contract. As incredible as it would be, it’s just a pipe dream.

  16. tileguy says:

    If we have lots of room on the 50 man contract list, can we not use that as a type of currency to strengthen the team, ie take on a few C prospects from a team close to the limit?

  17. Blue Bullet says:

    Jaxon,

    There are always d-men that are underrated and turn out better than their draft rankings and possibly Miller will be one of them. He received virtually no powerplay time this year andput up almost all of his points up at evens. I have him ranked 18th as the 8th best dman in the draft. I do not adjust for age with dmen as I haven’t found evidence that it has any impact on their scoring at the NHL level or with their TOI. All I have found with dmen is that if they reach a certain threshold in scoring they are more likely to become a NHL dmen then those that do not. Miller reached that threshold despite his lack of powerplay time.

    https://bluebulletreport.com/2018/06/20/blue-bullet-2018-nhl-entry-draft-guide/

  18. Blue Bullet says:

    Jaxon,

    There are always d-men that are underrated and turn out better than their draft rankings and possibly Miller will be one of them. He received virtually no powerplay time this year andput up almost all of his points up at evens. I have him ranked 18th as the 8th best dman in the draft. I do not adjust for age with dmen as I haven’t found evidence that it has any impact on their scoring at the NHL level or with their TOI. All I have found with dmen is that if they reach a certain threshold in scoring they are more likely to become a NHL dmen then those that do not. Miller reached that threshold despite his lack of powerplay time.

    https://bluebulletreport.com/2018/06/20/blue-bullet-2018-nhl-entry-draft-guide/

  19. Pink Socks says:

    tileguy:
    If we have lots of room on the 50 man contract list, can we not use that as a type of currency to strengthen the team, ie take on a few C prospects from a team close to the limit?

    Yes I would bet that if Lucic is on the move that part of the return from the team taking him will be some failed prospects that are still under an NHL contract.

  20. Primetime says:

    Report on TSN stating Detroit will not qualify Martin Frk because they don’t want to pay him the $750K he will be due. Doesn’t seem like much to keep a prospect, but then again, I am used to a GM that never counts his pennies.

    If he does become available, would that not be a good bet for the Oil? Big, fast, right handed shoot first winger? At that price tag, would be worth a look with Drai or even Connor?

    Seeing as we don’t have much room…would you rather see them take a chance on a younger player on the rise, or try and get a veteran winger on a last chance contract (e.g., Vanek)?

  21. Jaxon says:

    Draft trade: #10 & #71 to FLA for #15, #34, & #170
    draft K’Andre Miller at #15, Then 2 of Lauko, Gruden, Addison, Foudy, Lundkvist, Ylonen, and Mascherin with #34 & #40. Or 1 of the first group and Mascherin who can likely step into NHL action sooner.
    Then hope you can grab one or two of Tristen Nielsen, Ty Emberson, Jacob Ragnarsson, Axel Andersson, Pavel Gogolev, or Liam Kirk with picks 133, 165, 170, 195.

  22. JustWatt says:

    Primetime,

    If he hasn’t been good enough to qualify at only $100 K over league minimum then what do you see in him that makes you think he would be good on one of our top 2 lines over our own RW prospects? Because if he legitimately could play there then I have serious questions about why Detroit would let him walk for next to nothing.

    Edit: a word

  23. Jaxon says:

    Blue Bullet:
    Jaxon,

    There are always d-men that are underrated and turn out better than their draft rankings and possibly Miller will be one of them. He received virtually no powerplay time this year andput up almost all of his points up at evens. I have him ranked 18th as the 8th best dman in the draft. I do not adjust for age with dmen as I haven’t found evidence that it has any impact on their scoring at the NHL level or with their TOI. All I have found with dmen is that if they reach a certain threshold in scoring they are more likely to become a NHL dmen then those that do not. Miller reached that threshold despite his lack of powerplay time.

    https://bluebulletreport.com/2018/06/20/blue-bullet-2018-nhl-entry-draft-guide/

    Thanks for this! I checked in on your site recently and wondered if you had closed shop. It is one of my favourite draft resources every year. Glad to see it’s still going.

    Miller is quite the specimen. On top of his scoring, he is huge, he is fast, he is great defensively. And still learning to play D. No red flags that I could find. I think He and Johnny Gruden will be steals in this draft.

    Another prospect that intrigues me is Jacob Lauko. Not so much form a statistical POV, but I’ve seen him in best of the draft on a few lists: Best skater on (Recrutes and Pronman), Best shot (Pronman), and Most competitive (Recrutes). I feel this is exactly what Edmonton should be considering at #40 if he lasts that long. Or if they can somehow trade for another pick in the 27 to 37 range. He may have other deficiencies but a combination of speed, shot and competition sound pretty enitcing on McDavid’s wing someday.

  24. Rondo says:

    Hayton, Kravtsov, Boqvist and Smith all have a small chance to be in the top 9.

  25. russ99 says:

    The way I see it we have 5 top 6 players, McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, Jesse and Lucic – or what we trade him for. So we really should be looking at someone like Vanek and then two-way bottom six forwards rather than scoring forwards in FA. We have enough projects that haven’t planned out, no need to add other teams’ projects.

    Didn’t have to be this way with the cap but Chia’s going over $6.5M for Caggiula, Benning and Strome. You could add at least one impact player for that.

  26. Primetime says:

    JustWatt:
    Primetime,

    If he hasn’t been good enough to qualify at only $100 K over league minimum then what do you see in him that makes you think he would be good on one of our top 2 lines over our own RW prospects? Because if he legitimately could play there then I have serious questions about why Detroit would let him walk for next to nothing.

    Edit: a word

    The article states that he has arb rights and Detroit is worried they may have to pay him even more than that if he takes them to arbitration. If he is a free agent, he would have to see what is offered (and Detroit may have already given him an offer that he is considering).

    However, I think it’s team specific…we are starving for young cheap talent that can be a shooter. And we don’t have much cap space…the Red Wings may be taking a longer term view, but we need to deal with our current cap situation for this year.

    He is young, with a booming shot. He is not an elite talent or driver, however his best years have been playing with elite skill as a great complimentary piece (Drouin and McKinnon). Detroit doesn’t have that, we do…better fit for our team. He scored almost 30 goals per year in the AHL as well. In fact, the article states his most likely destination would be to follow former Grand Rapids Head Coach Todd Nelson to Dallas if he becomes available. I’m sure that would be enticing for him, but a chance to play with McDavid or Drai may be as well. Then let Rattie, JP, Yamo, and Frk battle it out for position…cheap competition!

  27. Jaxon says:

    Blue Bullet,

    also, not sure how often you check in on Lowetide, but I’ve shared this here a few times:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TRJiAg105InJRP_1TzoyxuzTdd78oVlWAJDJaadJIbg/edit?usp=sharing

    It’s a rankings and mock draft tracker

    Also, this:

    Projected 5-on-5 Primary Points
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z7hTmAK0yHaBUJdGTSPg8k1kjCLfD1k6ISMjledHoWc/edit?usp=sharing

    It’s quite messy but the top 34 North American forwards since 2005 is a pretty impressive group. Adjusted for Age, Era and League. Threshold of 25.75 Projected 5-on-5 Primary Points and a 5-on-5 eTOI over 13.56 eliminates a lot of draft busts and NHL players who struggle with consistency.

  28. Rocknrolla says:

    Is anyone here able to explain the players “Escrow” dollars in a simple way? Or direct to a simple link. I have always assumed that it’s a portion of the salary that goes into a holding area…but what’s it based on and when do they get it back?

    While I am at it also the “escalator” clause…don’t fully understand that as well.

    Thanks in advance Lowetidians!

  29. dustrock says:

    Is there any way to offer sheet Dumba so that we can trade for Spurgeon for relatively cheap?

  30. bendelson says:

    On the road today… the huge ring of kielbasa, the giant mallard AND the UFO landing pad, all in one day.
    Life is sweet!

    Have a great day everyone!

  31. slopitch says:

    Damn you guys have me wondering about K’Andre Miller now. Right when I think Im settled on Smith. Maybe CBJ wants to do a blockbuster with a pick swap 🙂

  32. Ribs says:

    Looks like Detroit has given up on Martin Frk. To see them dump Tatar and now Frk is surprising to me. Huh.

  33. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Panarin would be amazing on this team – either on 97s or 29s wing.

    With that said, he’ll need at least Drai money when he re-signs and, if he goes off for 40 goals (reasonable), he’s looking at over $10M.

    Does anyone think this player doesn’t want to get paid.

    I can’t see him fitting in with term with Drai on the roster, even if Lucic is moved without a bad contract coming back or retention.

    Its silly season out there – I refuse to acknowledge potential acquisitions like Karlsson, Paraykho, Panarin, etc.

    I think its more likely that a David Backes (or a Kreji) is an Oiler.

    Lucic out ($6M) and a Klefbom ($4M) for Panarin trade – there’s your $10M. Although I doubt he’ll cost that much – $10M is reserved for franchise players (so far). I don’t think he’s worth more than Draisaitl.

  34. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Panarin would be amazing on this team – either on 97s or 29s wing.

    With that said, he’ll need at least Drai money when he re-signs and, if he goes off for 40 goals (reasonable), he’s looking at over $10M.

    Does anyone think this player doesn’t want to get paid.

    I can’t see him fitting in with term with Drai on the roster, even if Lucic is moved without a bad contract coming back or retention.

    Its silly season out there – I refuse to acknowledge potential acquisitions like Karlsson, Paraykho, Panarin, etc.

    I think its more likely that a David Backes (or a Kreji) is an Oiler.

    If Panarin wasn’t interested in signing long term in Chicago or Columbus, it is likely he is headed to one of the three New York area teams in a year to be around the large Russian expat community there.

  35. Harpers Hair says:

    godot10: If Panarin wasn’t interested in signing long term in Chicago or Columbus, it is likely he is headed to one of the three New York area teams in a yearto be around the large Russian expat community there.

    Or Florida.Many Russians and no state income tax.

  36. Harpers Hair says:

    bendelson:
    On the road today… the huge ring of kielbasa, the giant mallard AND the UFO landing pad, all in one day.
    Life is sweet!

    Have a great day everyone!

    Did the same tour a few years back but also included the giant Easter egg.

  37. Harpers Hair says:

    dustrock:
    Is there any way to offer sheet Dumba so that we can trade for Spurgeon for relatively cheap?

    I would be more worried about some team offersheeting Nurse. Could be a cap killer if the Oilers match.

  38. Minister D- says:

    Few here would use the epithet “tough as nails.” “Nails/60” seems more likely.

    Louis Levasseur: tough as

  39. godot10 says:

    Primetime:
    Report on TSN stating Detroit will not qualify Martin Frk because they don’t want to pay him the $750K he will be due.Doesn’t seem like much to keep a prospect, but then again, I am used to a GM that never counts his pennies.

    If he does become available, would that not be a good bet for the Oil?Big, fast, right handed shoot first winger?At that price tag, would be worth a look with Drai or even Connor?

    Seeing as we don’t have much room…would you rather see them take a chance on a younger player on the rise, or try and get a veteran winger on a last chance contract (e.g., Vanek)?

    Probably follows Todd Nelson to Dallas if he is a UFA.

  40. Wilde says:

    I WAS ON K’ANDRE’S PASSING METRICS AND POINTS/60 FIRST TOO JAXON GET BACK

  41. Jaxon says:

    Blue Bullet,

    Was just reading your draft values chart. Do you really think Edmonton could get PHI’s #14 & #19 for #10? I’d do that in a fklash if I was Edmonton. Miller and one of Merkley, Kravtsov, Noel, or Bokk would blow my mind. And still have #40 for Gruden, Lauko, or Mascherin. That would be a dream draft.

  42. godot10 says:

    russ99:
    The way I see it we have 5 top 6 players, McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, Jesse and Lucic – or what we trade him for. So we really should be looking at someone like Vanek and then two-way bottom six forwards rather than scoring forwards in FA. We have enough projects that haven’t planned out, no need to add other teams’ projects.

    Didn’t have to be this way with the cap but Chia’s going over $6.5M for Caggiula, Benning and Strome. You could add at least one impact player for that.

    Lucic hasn’t been an adequate top six player for two full seasons. It is magical thinking to believe that he will return to his Bruin form.

    And there is the coach problem with Jesse.

  43. Wilde says:

    Also, if anyone’s projecting or wants the Oilers to select one of the (many) good overagers this year, be prepared for the Penguins to break your heart. They grab them more than anyone else, even accounting for their later than average draft slots and limited early picks.

    https://twitter.com/nnstats/status/1009136442604306432

  44. Jaxon says:

    Wilde:
    I WAS ON K’ANDRE’S PASSING AND POINTS/60 FIRST TOO JAXON GET BACK

    Ummm, okay? Stop yelling at me.
    Not sure I understand. Wait, are we competing for something?

  45. Wilde says:

    Jaxon: Ummm, okay? Stop yelling at me.
    Not sure I understand. Wait, are we competing for something?

    es humour

  46. frjohnk says:

    Harpers Hair: I would be more worried about some team offersheeting Nurse. Could be a cap killer if the Oilers match.

    If Nurses camp wants to get paid with a long term contract, it would definitely throw a monkey wrench into the Oilers cap situation, especially if the cap comes in at $79M

  47. Jaxon says:

    Wilde: es humour

    es funny

  48. Jaxon says:

    frjohnk: If Nurses camp wants to get paid with a long term contract, it would definitely throw a monkey wrench into the Oilers cap situation, especially if the cap comes in at $79M

    Yup, and I think he gets paid well long term. He had 6th most 5-on-5 minutes in the NHL last season. and his 5-on-5 pts puts him in some expensive company, too. Speed, youth (he’s only 23!), size, grit, tight with McDavid, fan favourite. He’s got a lot of leverage.

    Re-post from yesterday:
    “Not only was Nurse a top pairing D, but he was top 6 in 5-on-5 TOI in the entire NHL Only players ahead of him: Doughty, Orlov, Ceci, Burns, Gardiner. Of 133 D with over 1000 minute at 5-on-5 he was 58th in points/60, which is top pairing. He was 39th (top pair) in 5-on-5 pts in the NHL with 20. Just ahead of him with 21: McAvoy, Giordano, Vlasic, Suter. tied with him: Maatta, Ekblad. Just behind him with 19: Pulock, Morrisey, Matheson, Muzzin, Chara. With 18: Ekholm, Ekman-Larsson, Byfuglien. I’m afraid he’s going to get paid, and quite well.”

  49. Primetime says:

    frjohnk: If Nurses camp wants to get paid with a long term contract, it would definitely throw a monkey wrench into the Oilers cap situation, especially if the cap comes in at $79M

    Yeah, that seems to be the issue with Chia’s master plan. Of course I have no inside knowledge on what actually happens behind the scenes, but wouldn’t it make more sense to settle contracts with Nurse and Strome first? Then if need be, you have actual proof that you need to squeeze a few hundred thousand per year extra from guys like Benning and Caggiula. If they don’t like it, they have to go…not risk being forced to trade the superior talented players.

    Let’s say they are squabbling over $400K…Oil offering bridge at $3.8 but Darnell wants at least Oscars $4.2. Doesn’t seem like much but we can’t do it, cause just a bit extra went to Caggiula/Benning (and Koskinen for that matter).

  50. Harpers Hair says:

    A team could offer sheet Nurse at $4.05 million and only be in danger of losing a second round pick.

  51. frjohnk says:

    Jaxon: Yup, and I think he gets paid well long term. He had 6th most 5-on-5 minutes in the NHL last season. and his 5-on-5 pts puts him in some expensive company, too. Speed, youth (he’s only 23!), size, grit, tight with McDavid, fan favourite. He’s got a lot of leverage.

    Re-post from yesterday:
    “Not only was Nurse a top pairing D, but he was top 6 in 5-on-5 TOI in the entire NHL Only players ahead of him: Doughty, Orlov, Ceci, Burns, Gardiner. Of 133 D with over 1000 minute at 5-on-5 he was 58th in points/60, which is top pairing. He was 39th (top pair) in 5-on-5 pts in the NHL with 20. Just ahead of him with 21: McAvoy, Giordano, Vlasic, Suter. tied with him: Maatta, Ekblad. Just behind him with 19: Pulock, Morrisey, Matheson, Muzzin, Chara. With 18: Ekholm, Ekman-Larsson, Byfuglien. I’m afraid he’s going to get paid, and quite well.”

    I think the McDavid factor is in play here.

    Overall, Nurse scored 0.93 pts/60 in 1548 minutes at 5 on 5.
    Nurse scored 1.55 pts/60 with McDavid in 541 minutes at 5 on 5.
    Nurse scored 0.60 pts/60 without McDavid in 1007 minutes at 5 on 5.

    And if one looks at the shot metrics
    CF% with McDavid 53.3%
    CF% WO McDavid 49.7%
    HDCF% with McDavid 57.8%
    HDCF% WO McDavid 46.3%

    As for TOI, Sekera and Klefboms injuries meant that Nurse was going to play more.

    I dont think Nurse is a top pairing Dman, but I also do not believe there are 62 top pairing Dman as well.

    But the Oilers love him, and some of his comparables have signed contracts between 4 and 5.5M so I would not be surprised he gets paid

  52. Rondo says:

    If one of the top 9 fall to #10 Oilers will take one of them. If not I could see Oilers taking Hayton at #10 because this draft is full of Dmen and probably could get a good one at #40. Lundkvist or ?

  53. treevojo says:

    Harpers Hair:
    A team could offer sheet Nurse at $4.05 million and only be in danger of losing a second round pick.

    The same could be said about any of the talented rfas out there.

    There has been one similar player to Nurse offer sheeted this century.

    Niklas Hjalmarsson.

    I am one of Nurse’s biggest fans but an offer sheet is highly unlikely looking at the history of the NHL.

  54. OilFire says:

    bendelson: On the road today… the huge ring of kielbasa, the giant mallard AND the UFO landing pad, all in one day.

    If you’re at the landing pad and you don’t swing by the giant pyrogy of my home town, well then, you sir, are an uncultured swine. I make a pilgrimage each and every decade–without fail–to bathe in its cultural significance.

  55. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair:
    A team could offer sheet Nurse at $4.05 million and only be in danger of losing a second round pick.

    Of course you could. But then you pretty much blackballed yourself from employment ever again. Theres a reason all these offer sheet possibilities never happen

  56. godot10 says:

    Harpers Hair:
    A team could offer sheet Nurse at $4.05 million and only be in danger of losing a second round pick.

    I am predicting an offer sheet of 4 or 5 years times $5.8 milion. The compensation for that is only a 1st and a 3rd. Will Nurse wait for the offer sheet?

    Which is why I sort of think the Oilers should offer 8 x $5.2 million for a shorter duration offer sheet for more arrives.

    All these new young GM’s are getting bolder.

  57. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer: Of course you could. But then you pretty much blackballed yourself from employment ever again. Theres a reason all these offer sheet possibilities never happen

    You may recall how Chiarelli reacted last time there was a threat of an offer sheet.

  58. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer: Of course you could. But then you pretty much blackballed yourself from employment ever again. Theres a reason all these offer sheet possibilities never happen

    Doug Wilson seems to be doing just fine.

  59. RonnieB says:

    Harpers Hair:
    A team could offer sheet Nurse at $4.05 million and only be in danger of losing a second round pick.

    There is no chance Nurse would sign an offer sheet that low, and no chance that the Oilers wouldn’t match it.

  60. Death By Misadventure says:

    Wilde:
    I WAS ON K’ANDRE’S PASSING METRICS AND POINTS/60 FIRST TOO JAXON GET BACK

    I thought Bode Wilde was your guy?

  61. Wilde says:

    Death By Misadventure: I thought Bode Wilde was your guy?

    Is stating that I refuse to respond to this, count as a response to this??

  62. Harpers Hair says:

    RonnieB: There is no chance Nurse would sign an offer sheet that low, and no chance that the Oilers wouldn’t match it.

    Likely true but it if the Oilers play hard ball with Nurse on a bridge deal, he could leverage the threat of an offer sheet to get paid now.

    Remember that’s how we got to Draisaitls massive contract…Chia caves big time.

  63. flea says:

    treevojo,

    I agree. Nurse isn’t an impact defenseman. Any offer sheet that the Oilers wouldn’t match would be a massive risk for the team that made the offer. Do you want Nurse at $5.5 – $6M on the Oilers? Neither do any other teams.

    (cue the $5.5Mx8 Nurse contract announcement)

  64. Harpers Hair says:

    flea:
    treevojo,

    I agree. Nurse isn’t an impact defenseman. Any offer sheet that the Oilers wouldn’t match would be a massive risk for the team that made the offer. Do you want Nurse at $5.5 – $6M on the Oilers? Neither do any other teams.

    (cue the $5.5Mx8 Nurse contract announcement)

    The lowest comparable contract that was signed two years ago was Jacob Trouba at $3M only after a holdout and trade request and of course the cap hs risen significantly since.

    Matheson,, Manson, Severson, Zaitsev and Matta all signed second deals starting with a 4.

    Can’t see Nurses agent accepting any less especially with Russels contract.

  65. Klima's_Bucket says:

    If you are draft eligible, do you have to enter the draft?

    Mascherin doesn’t want to play in FLA, when can these guys just sign as free agents?

  66. Harpers Hair says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    If you are draft eligible, do you have to enter the draft?

    Mascherin doesn’t want to play in FLA, when can these guys just sign as free agents?

    August 15

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    flea:
    Is trading Lucic for Jeff Skinner a dream or is that something that could happen? Maybe if the Oilers retain a little bit?

    Its not something that could happen or a dream – its just a nonsense thought that can’t possibly have any connection to realism.

    Original reports were that CAR wanted a 1st and a good prospect for Skinner – I don’t think Lucic equates to that, even if we retained half of his cap hit (and salary) and did it after his bonus is paid on July 1.

    Skinner is a tough acquisition b/c CAR will want value for him but he’s only got one year left.

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:
    Jacob Trouba for any member of the Leftorium would check off a lot of boxes.We’re likely going to have$18 million worth of left-handed D next season.Enstrom has told the Jets he’s not coming back after the playoff scratch, so they might need a LHD.Probably costs us Klef, but Chia could probably find worse places to spend that asset.

    Trouba does check boxes and that trade wuld have to be explored – the issue is what will Trouba’s next contract look like. We are trading $4.1M for the next 5 years for what I assume is going to be $6M plus for 7-8. Trouba wants to get paid.

  69. JustWatt says:

    OriginalPouzar: Original reports were that CAR wanted a 1st and a good prospect for Skinner – I don’t think Lucic equates to that, even if we retained half of his cap hit (and salary) and did it after his bonus is paid on July 1.

    Skinner is a tough acquisition b/c CAR will want value for him but he’s only got one year left.

    These are good points to raise, IMO. But Skinner is no Karlsson, who someone will probably mortgage the house, so to speak, in order to get for a year and a chance to resign first. Carolina is publicly floating their much too high asking price and anyone paying what they are asking for is a fool. Its gotta be just a starting point to start the negotiations off, not a serious ask. I suspect that if Skinner moves it will likely be for a much lower value than a first round pick and a prospect. Unless its a late first rounder and a B prospect. However, I agree with you that Lucic won’t equate to enough to land him, even considering all that.

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Martin Frk

    Lucic out without salary retention or a contract coming back seems quite unlikely. While Klefbom could be traded for just picks, its unlikely that he’d be traded without a player/contract coming back.

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    frjohnk: If Nurses camp wants to get paid with a long term contract, it would definitely throw a monkey wrench into the Oilers cap situation, especially if the cap comes in at $79M

    Koskinen took the option away…………..

  72. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Trouba is rumored to want to play in the US, would he tough to get him to commit to Edmonton. That said, he would be awesome beside Nurse.

  73. Pink Socks says:

    OriginalPouzar: Koskinen took the option away…………..

    OP, I agree that this contract is up there with the Russell contract as far as foolish decisions go. Curious though, if Koskinen comes into camp and can’t stop a beachball, and then is dreadful in the preseason, couldn’t that contract be voided if Koskinen doesn’t want to play in the NHL and fly back over to the KHL a la Paigin?

  74. Pink Socks says:

    OriginalPouzar: Lucic out without salary retention or a contract coming back seems quite unlikely.While Klefbom could be traded for just picks, its unlikely that he’d be traded without a player/contract coming back.

    I’m placing my money on Lucic + JP for a somewhat decent player coming back.

  75. russ99 says:

    Bettman announced that next year’s cap will be “roughly 80M”.

    So is that 79 or 78?

  76. Justthestatsman says:

    Harpers Hair: Did the same tour a few years back but also included the giant Easter egg.

    But you BOTH missed the giant perogy. (mutters and shakes head in disbelief)

  77. Jaxon says:

    frjohnk: I think the McDavid factor is in play here.

    Overall, Nurse scored 0.93 pts/60 in 1548 minutes at 5 on 5.
    Nurse scored 1.55 pts/60 with McDavid in 541 minutes at 5 on 5.
    Nurse scored 0.60 pts/60 without McDavid in 1007 minutes at 5 on 5.

    And if one looks at the shot metrics
    CF% with McDavid 53.3%
    CF% WO McDavid 49.7%
    HDCF% with McDavid 57.8%
    HDCF% WO McDavid 46.3%

    As for TOI, Sekera and Klefboms injuries meant that Nurse was going to play more.

    I dont think Nurse is a top pairing Dman, but I also do not believe there are 62 top pairing Dman as well.

    But the Oilers love him, and some of his comparables have signed contracts between 4 and 5.5M so I would not be surprised he gets paid

    Oh, I completely agree. But he does have a lot of ammo for his agent to get him paid with. The Oilers can counter with the McDavid effect, but that can be said of every player on the team. $5.5 x 8 wouldn’t shock me. I hope it’s a bit less but 6th most ice time in the NHL is hard to refute no matter who was injured.

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pink Socks: OP, I agree that this contract is up there with the Russell contract as far as foolish decisions go.Curious though, if Koskinen comes into camp and can’t stop a beachball, and then is dreadful in the preseason, couldn’t that contract be voided if Koskinen doesn’t want to play in the NHL and fly back over to the KHL a la Paigin?

    From my limited research, the CBA and the form of SPC only deal with termination of a contract in connection with a buyout or a breach by the player.

    Mutual termination may be an option (I’d need to dig further) but, if that’s an option, Koskinen would be giving up US$2.5M.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    Bettman announced that next year’s cap will be “roughly 80M”.

    So is that 79 or 78?

    I believe he indicated its likely to come in between $79.5M and $80M.

  80. Pink Socks says:

    OriginalPouzar: From my limited research, the CBA and the form of SPC only deal with termination of a contract in connection with a buyout or a breach by the player.

    Mutual termination may be an option (I’d need to dig further) but, if that’s an option, Koskinen would be giving up US$2.5M.

    He may be giving up the $2.5m to play in Bakersfield, but with California income tax I would assume he takes home less than half of that. Russia’s flat income tax of 13% on a $1.5m contract where he would be starting %50< of the games may be more attractive for him in regards to a mutual termination.

  81. bendelson says:

    Justthestatsman: But you BOTH missed the giant perogy.(mutters and shakes head in disbelief)

    Please… I may not have stopped by the oversized pysanka or glorious pierog on a fork today, but make no mistake, I know them well and fully appreciate their cultural signifance to the area!

    Fun fact: Did you know they added the fork to the pierog in Glenden after the fact b/c nobody had a clue what it was supposed to be… (I’m sure Oilfire will attest to this important historical footnote)

  82. dustrock says:

    say Candy and Ronnie have you seen ’em yet ooh but they’re so spaced out

    buh-buh-buh bennie and the jets

    ooh but they’re weird and they’re wonderful oh Candy she’s really keen

    she’s got electric boots, a mohair suit you know I read it in a magaZEEN OHHHHHHHHHH

    buh-buh-buh Bennie and the Jets

    *cue air piano for the solo

    One of the all-time great drunk sing along songs. Took me years to realize it wasn’t actually recorded live and the audience cheering was added for depth in the studio.

  83. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Lucic out without salary retention or a contract coming back seems quite unlikely.While Klefbom could be traded for just picks, its unlikely that he’d be traded without a player/contract coming back.

    I have Klefbom going in the Panarin deal, not for picks.

  84. treevojo says:

    godot10: I am predicting an offer sheet of 4 or 5 years times $5.8 milion.The compensation for that is only a 1st and a 3rd.Will Nurse wait for the offer sheet?

    Which is why I sort of think the Oilers should offer 8 x $5.2 million for a shorter duration offer sheet for more arrives.

    All these new young GM’s are getting bolder.

    Sounds like a bet?

  85. Andy Dufresne says:

    bendelson: Please… I may not have stopped by the oversized pysanka or glorious pierog on a fork today, but make no mistake, I know them well and fully appreciate their cultural signifance to the area!

    Fun fact:Did you know they added the fork to the pierog in Glenden after the fact b/c nobody had a clue what it was supposed to be… (I’m sure Oilfire will attest to this important historical footnote)

    They couldnt recognize it without the butter/onions/bacon/sourcream

  86. Professor Q says:

    Justthestatsman: But you BOTH missed the giant perogy.(mutters and shakes head in disbelief)

    I could really go for some pierogi. Just as long as they don’t have dairy anywhere near them.

    Mmm. Bacon…

  87. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pink Socks: I’m placing my money on Lucic + JP for a somewhat decent player coming back.

    Lucic + JP for Hanafin + Cap Space
    Klefbom to Somewhere for a Scoring Winger

    #ChiaTweaks

  88. Professor Q says:

    Andy Dufresne: They couldnt recognize it without the butter/onions/bacon/sourcream

    “Is that a Jamaican Patty or Pizza Pop?! Panzerotti, or Pan, moon of Saturn?!”

  89. Professor Q says:

    I really don’t want to see either Puljujärvi or Yamamoto be traded.

  90. Wolfpack says:

    Andy Dufresne: Lucic + JP for Hanafin + Cap Space
    Klefbom to Somewhere for a Scoring Winger

    #ChiaTweaks

    I am actually down with this idea. This would make the best of a bad situation. Suspect Carolina might demand something more though.

  91. LoDog says:

    Pink Socks: He may be giving up the $2.5m to play in Bakersfield, but with California income tax I would assume he takes home less than half of that.Russia’s flat income tax of 13% on a $1.5m contract where he would be starting %50< of the games may be more attractive for him in regards to a mutual termination.

    I think the odds of him riding the bus in the minors is pretty dam low.
    He either shows hes the goods or it’s back to Russia. .

  92. Professor Q says:

    Although, do you think, perhaps if these overpaid contracts (according to some here; maybe they aren’t) are actually overpaid contracts, and Chia knows his time is up, he is in fact making them with that in mind? That he’ll be on another team soon enough and doesn’t want Edmonton to be in a good position?

    Or would that be too much akin to a conspiracy theory?

  93. Professor Q says:

    Wolfpack: I am actually down with this idea. This would make the best of a bad situation. Suspect Carolina might demand something more though.

    I don’t see it. Puljujärvi is more than enough on his own for Hanifin. Lucic being added is a bonus for them.

  94. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Pink Socks: 100% right.The only way for Panarin to come is on July 2nd with Lucic going the other way along with JP, Klef, and likely a 2019 1st rounder.Then he needs to get paid, likely $8m this season because it can’t wait until he plays with 97 for a year to give him a contract.As incredible as it would be, it’s just a pipe dream.

    E Kane got a conditional first and a fourth. Panarin has more points, not a lot more goals, Kane is a power forward, Panarin slight.’

    For the last year of his contract that would be a pretty steep price.

  95. jake70 says:

    Have PTS on, Marek talking draft. He said there was a deal in 2016 draft – Ryan McDonough+ Kreider for Hall and 4th overall, fell through when Columbus took Dubois at #3. Is this old news? Never heard this.

  96. Wolfpack says:

    Professor Q: I don’t see it. Puljujärvi is more than enough on his own for Hanifin. Lucic being added is a bonus for them.

    Not sure i would consider Lucic’s production at that contract amount to be a “bonus”. If Lucic gets traded it is not a hockey deal, it is a business transaction based on the contract. Believe me, I wish it were otherwise.

  97. Primetime says:

    jake70:
    Have PTS on, Marek talking draft.He said there was a deal in 2016 draft –Ryan McDonough+ Kreider for Hall and 4th overall, fell through when Columbus took Dubois at #3. Is this old news?Never heard this.

    Hmmm…never heard that one before.

    Do you really think that the difference between Dubois and PoolParty is that much to scuttle that trade? Especially at the time of the draft where some still believed JP was better than Laine?

    They would have Taylor Hall and JP….that’s seems pretty fair for Kreider and McDonough no?

    Or do you mean the Oilers pulled back to keep JP?

  98. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Jaxon:
    Draft trade: #10 & #71 to FLA for #15, #34, & #170
    draft K’Andre Miller at #15, Then 2 of Lauko, Gruden, Addison, Foudy, Lundkvist, Ylonen, and Mascherin with #34 & #40. Or 1 of the first group and Mascherin who can likely step into NHL action sooner.
    Then hope you can grab one or two of Tristen Nielsen, Ty Emberson, Jacob Ragnarsson, Axel Andersson, Pavel Gogolev, or Liam Kirk with picks 133, 165, 170, 195.

    Gregor has a piece up that lists Wilson’s pick trades. I would say 10 gets you those 3 picks all in, maybe more as it happens less lately and if the other GM has a player crush he’s afraid of missing.

  99. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Wolfpack: Not sure i would consider Lucic’s production at that contract amount to be a “bonus”. If Lucic gets traded it is not a hockey deal, it is a business transaction based on the contract. Believe me, I wish it were otherwise.

    There are few players like Lucic, until he proves he’s toast he still has value, and that it’s an easy argument his issues are team related with so many others leaving and having success. The down side is the league is trained to buy low at the Oilers store and reap the recovered player under value.

  100. jake70 says:

    Primetime: Hmmm…never heard that one before.

    Do you really think that the difference between Dubois and PoolParty is that much to scuttle that trade?Especially at the time of the draft where some still believed JP was better than Laine?

    They would have Taylor Hall and JP….that’s seems pretty fair for Kreider and McDonough no?

    Or do you mean the Oilers pulled back to keep JP?

    Oilers pulled back to draft JP, if I understood Marek correctly.

  101. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Professor Q:
    I really don’t want to see either Puljujärvi or Yamamoto be traded.

    I’d prefer Yama as while his offensive potential may be higher (although I wonder after last year) I think JP still projects as a better overall player, and suits McDavid better.

    Leon has the size to carry a small player as he doesn’t need the physical help, Connor needs a defensively responsible guy that can work the corners and still play with him IMO. I don’t want to see Connor being the digger, it’s not maximizing his strengths and limits what he could do.

    I don’t see many slight players being great corner men, and they tend to get hurt a lot if they are aggressive enough. JP if he develops has the perfect tool kit .

  102. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar: From my limited research, the CBA and the form of SPC only deal with termination of a contract in connection with a buyout or a breach by the player.

    Mutual termination may be an option (I’d need to dig further) but, if that’s an option, Koskinen would be giving up US$2.5M.

    – They gave him a signing bonus. I’m sure they don’t want him to fail, but I’m sure that if they deem that he’s going to start in the AHL, he will “retire”

  103. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair,

    The over under on offer sheets signed this offseason is 0. Just does not happen. Yeah couple guys have done them in the past but it just does not happen especially for a mid level player. Sure your Canucks could offer sheet Nurse. Chia just matches it. Screws with Oilers cap for at most half million dollars, and that’s at most cause there really is no way Nurse signs for under 3.5 per. In return Canucks have to sign all their contracts to an overpay a year in advance to avoid offer sheets. Just not worth it. They’ll have their own RFAs to sign in near future.
    And before you go Chia will not have cap space. I would very highly doubt it. The NHLPA is going to pick a small salary escalator why? Because they absolutely hate escrow. This agreement is toast on its first possible day. And they always allow a buyout.

  104. Richard S.S. says:

    If the Cap is $79.0 and $80.0, there is a point where escrow could be under 10% for the first time in many years. This year I don’t think the NHLPA wants to exceed that level, so I expect little or no ‘boost’ from the NHL number.

  105. leadfarmer says:

    Richard S.S.,

    Yeah cause they all hate the escrow more than they like higher salaries. What are we going to talk about in 2020

  106. Johnny Larue says:

    OilFire: If you’re at the landing pad and you don’t swing by the giant pyrogy of my home town, well then, you sir, are an uncultured swine. I make a pilgrimage each and every decade–without fail–to bathe in its cultural significance.

    That’s a pyrogy eh! It has always reminded me of something else but my mind is in the gutter.

  107. Professor Q says:

    Primetime: Hmmm…never heard that one before.

    Do you really think that the difference between Dubois and PoolParty is that much to scuttle that trade?Especially at the time of the draft where some still believed JP was better than Laine?

    They would have Taylor Hall and JP….that’s seems pretty fair for Kreider and McDonough no?

    Or do you mean the Oilers pulled back to keep JP?

    It really does seem a lot different than Draisaitl, Klefbom, and #4 for [Sergachev] and Subban.

    Which I do like better, and keeping Hall…

  108. Todd Macallan says:

    “To the city of Edmonton, we’ll be back I promise.” – Connor McDavid, Ted Lindsay award winner

  109. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    McDavid wins Ted Lindsay. Good for him. And as he leaves the stage, he promises the oilers fan base that “we’ll be back”

  110. Professor Q says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    McDavid wins Ted Lindsay. Good for him. And as he leaves the stage, he promises the oilers fan base that “we’ll be back”

    Good for him indeed. He really did seem pissed about the Hart Trophy (barely even getting top 4-5 votes when leading the league in points) when interviewed about it the other day, so hopefully next year we’ll see vengeance reaped upon the league for their insolence.

  111. digger50 says:

    I just read the Oilers nation piece about Wayne Simmonds being available. Cost is likely first rounder ++

    All things considered, isn’t Maroon close and comes with no acquisition costs?

    Seems everyone is focused on trading talent out to get something. We need to keep our talent – and bring in more talent.

  112. leadfarmer says:

    digger50,

    Yeah no one is going to pay that.

  113. Scungilli Slushy says:

    digger50:
    I just read the Oilers nation piece about Wayne Simmonds being available. Cost is likely first rounder ++

    All things considered, isn’t Maroon close and comes with no acquisition costs?

    Seems everyone is focused on trading talent out to get something. We need to keep our talent – and bring in more talent.

    I see Simmonds as having a great potential to fade off soon. He’s skilled and tough, but he’s the same weight as Cagguila at 4 inches taller. That is a slight build for a physical player, and while he’s played most games each year reports say he was hampered by injuries last season.

    A player I like, but you’re talking about a 30 YO guy with a lot of miles with one year left. For a second and lesser prospect sure, nothing more.

  114. jake70 says:

    Professor Q: Good for him indeed. He really did seem pissed about the Hart Trophy (barely even getting top 4-5 votes when leading the league in points) when interviewed about it the other day, so hopefully next year we’ll see vengeance reaped upon the league for their insolence.

    Maybe that’s why he said he was shocked when accepting the TL tonight. All the players think so but not the hockey writers.

  115. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer:
    Harpers Hair,

    The over under on offer sheets signed this offseason is 0.Just does not happen.Yeah couple guys have done them in the past but it just does not happen especially for a mid level player.Sure your Canucks could offer sheet Nurse.Chia just matches it.Screws with Oilers cap for at most half million dollars, and that’s at most cause there really is no way Nurse signs for under 3.5 per.In return Canucks have to sign all their contracts to an overpay a year in advance to avoid offer sheets.Just not worth it.They’ll have their own RFAs to sign in near future.
    And before you go Chia will not have cap space.I would very highly doubt it.The NHLPA is going to pick a small salary escalator why?Because they absolutely hate escrow.This agreement is toast on its first possible day.And they always allow a buyout.

    The only RFA of note VCR has in the next two seasons is Boeser and he can be extended as early as July 1.
    Since you brought up the Canucks, I would offer sheet Nurse at $5.5M x 5 and see what happens.

  116. --hudson-- says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I see Simmonds as having a great potential to fade off soon. He’s skilled and tough, but he’s the same weight as Cagguila at 4 inches taller. That is a slight build for a physical player, and while he’s played most games each year reports say he was hampered by injuries last season.

    A player I like, but you’re talking about a 30 YO guy with a lot of miles with one year left. For a second and lesser prospect sure, nothing more.

    Wayne Simmonds had a hilarious injury report this spring:
    – broken ankle
    – six teeth knocked out
    – torn ligaments in his right thumb
    – pelvic tear
    – pulled groin
    source: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/flyers-wayne-simmonds-injuries-broken-ankle-torn-thumb-ligament-torn-pelvis-pulled-groin-20180425.html

  117. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair,

    That would be amazing. I would laugh as Oilers pick Hughes with the Canucks number one draft pick next year for the low price of a LHD which they dont really need and have trouble affording. That Canucks team is bottom of the Pacific next year and they will give the Sens if they trade Karlsson a strong run for their money for bottom of league

  118. Richard S.S. says:

    The NHL Writers are the worst part about Hockey. The Hart qualification as written, not as interpreted by the NHL Media Menace, has Conor McDavid as #1 or #1A for the Award. Too much Media is as interepreted not as written.

  119. OilFire says:

    bendelson: Fun fact: Did you know they added the fork to the pierog in Glenden after the fact b/c nobody had a clue what it was supposed to be…

    Lies! Slanderous lies! I can’t believe you’ll sit there and malign our beloved beige lump like this.

  120. OilFire says:

    Johnny Larue: That’s a pyrogy eh! It has always reminded me of something else but my mind is in the gutter.

    Yes, the gentle townspeople of Glendon are aware of how it appears from “The Forbidden Angle.” We do not stand there ourselves, but are too refined to call attention to it with warning signs.

  121. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer:
    Harpers Hair,

    That would be amazing.I would laugh as Oilers pick Hughes with the Canucks number one draft pick next year for the low price of a LHD which they dont really need and have trouble affording.That Canucks team is bottom of the Pacific next year and they will give the Sens if they trade Karlsson a strong run for their money for bottom of league

    The Oilers finished 5 points ahead of the Canucks last season despite the Canucks having the third most games lost to injury in the league.
    The difference between their draft positions is 7 and 10.
    If, as you say, the Oilers don’t need Nurse and walk away from him, I would suggest there is an excellent chance the Canucks would finish ahead of the Oilers next season. Vancouver would be picking up a somewhat developed second pairing D, drafted 7th overall for a pick that would likely be in the 7-10 range and need a year or three to have an impact in the NHL.

    Not a sure bet but not a bad one

  122. digger50 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I see Simmonds as having a great potential to fade off soon. He’s skilled and tough, but he’s the same weight as Cagguila at 4 inches taller. That is a slight build for a physical player, and while he’s played most games each year reports say he was hampered by injuries last season.

    A player I like, but you’re talking about a 30 YO guy with a lot of miles with one year left. For a second and lesser prospect sure, nothing more.

    I think Simmonds could help and I think he has 20 goals in him for next year. But at 4M and assets out, why do we do that? Point is Maroon is not sexy to fans at the moment but he’s one of few 20 goal men we can get without assets out.

    More random thoughts:
    I keep hearing trade proposals everywhere. Maybe, maybe the Oil win one and get incrementally better. That would be nice for a change. But any difference maker we acquire is going to cost.

    I think we need to focus more on oncovering Vegas type overlooked players for under 2m. That’s where the gold is this year. If Looch heads out then great we can also get a 3-4 m player.

    If I could revise my Kinger prediction model, the first pick the Oilers make this year is the number 40 pick.

    Despite the lack of proven NHL talent at forward, Peter, or the Org seems hell bent that bringing in an offensive defenceman the key to a successful season. Huh? Does he know something we don’t?

  123. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Man games lost is meaningless as a franchise player and a 13th forward equal the same thing. Sedins while had a lesser role are gone.
    Here Nurse we know you needed Larsson last year but hey have 23 min a night with Del Zotto

  124. russ99 says:

    Connor won the Ted Lindsey. Probably means more to him than the Hart.

  125. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I believe that four players should be added, not three, as Brad Malone is not an NHL player and should not be on the team.Add $650K to the cap space and reduce the roster to 19.

    Money is tight – we’ve known for months and months and months that there would be apx $2M for acquisitions and that no material acquisition can be made without a corresponding move to move out cap.

    Personally, I wish we didn’t commit an extra $1.5M to the back-up goaltending position and we aren’t even sure if we’ve improved at the position.We can hope but the add has not track record of success in the league he will be playing in.

    I’d prefer $3.5M of cap space with Montoya as the backup or the same $2M of cap space but a back-up with more of a track record of success in the NHL (Bernier, Halak, etc.).

    Thre players of higher caliber makes more sense. Contrary to your beliefs, Malone can be s

  126. Oilman99 says:

    Oilman99: Three players of higher caliber makes more sense. Contrary to your beliefs, Malone can be serviceable.

  127. Bag of Pucks says:

    Congratulations to Taylor Hall, Hart Trophy winner as League MVP.

  128. Bag of Pucks says:

    Barzal with Calder.

    Wasn’t talked about much here, but the Oil could’ve drafted him with one of the picks traded for Griffin Reinhart ; )

  129. godot10 says:

    I am so happy for Taylor Hall. He is totally deserving of the Hart Trophy. Sweet vindication.

  130. Richard S.S. says:

    The NHL Players chose who wins/deserves the Ted Lindsay Award – the Best Player in the Regular Season. The Hart, chosen by the Media Menace, is for the Best Player. As the Award reads (available to anyone who looks) Best Player. No qualifications or interpretations are mentioned or are needed.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99:

    Nothing Brad Malone did in his 7 NHL games over the last two year show that he can be serviceable.

    He wasn’t just ineffective, he made the team worse by taking multiple bad penalties.

    What did he do in those 7 games to show he can be serviceable?

  132. Rafa Nadal says:

    Hard not to be disappointed seeing Hall win that trophy. Happy for the player, but extraordinarily disappointed in the GM for the move. Sometimes it’s difficult to think about what could’ve been. Two amazing scoring lines that would probably come close to 57-58% GF. We’d win a lot of hockey games like that. Sigh…

  133. Richard S.S. says:

    Does anyone remember how putrid the Defense was in Edmonton prior to Peter Chiarelli taking over? Boston was terrified to deal with Chiarelli so they took a substandard offer to get anything for Dougie Hamilton. Chiarelli offer was, at a minimum, twice as good. Everyone forgot that all Chiarelli had to try and get better quickly was trading Draft Picks, career AHLers and spending in Free Agency. The Oiler Scout didn’t have anything current on Reinhart or any others so Chiarelli got misinformed. If Reinhart had a better work ethic he’d be in the NHL.

  134. Bag of Pucks says:

    In an alternate universe…

    Hall/McDavid/Pulijarvi
    Barzal/Draisaitl/Rattie

    And RNH plus Eberle likely gets you Seth Jones plus a pick…

  135. leadfarmer says:

    Hall gets the Hart
    Barzal gets the Calder
    How is Chia still employed?

  136. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Rafa Nadal:
    Hard not to be disappointed seeing Hall win that trophy. Happy for the player, but extraordinarily disappointed in the GM for the move. Sometimes it’s difficult to think about what could’ve been. Two amazing scoring lines that would probably come close to 57-58% GF. We’d win a lot of hockey games like that. Sigh…

    It’s looking really bad on the Oilers (OBC) and PC today.

    Hopefully they have somehow learned from it, for once.

  137. Bag of Pucks says:

    Is Larsson on a Victor Hedmanesque development path?

    Cos that’s the only way that trade remotely makes any sense.

  138. leadfarmer says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    I’m sure that second rounder we gave up in addition to that Barzal pick in the Reinhardt trade could have been used to pick up a decent forward. (quickly ducks)

  139. Scungilli Slushy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Hall gets the Hart
    Barzal gets the Calder
    How is Chia still employed?

    Nicholson take note. It’s up to him to stop this.

  140. Bag of Pucks says:

    Kessel. Wheeler. Seguin. Hall.

    You could probably win a Cup with the Top Fs Chiarelli has traded away.

  141. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Is Larsson on a Victor Hedmanesque development path?

    Cos that’s the only way that trade remotely makes any sense.

    Reinhart was worth a 2nd at most when traded for, absolutely not a first even if Snow used one to pick him. An appallingly bad trade. Barzal was possible still, although they wanted the plugger C Ek. Thankfully drafting seems better now.

  142. Professor Q says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    In an alternate universe…

    Hall/McDavid/Pulijarvi
    Barzal/Draisaitl/Rattie

    And RNH plus Eberle likely gets you Seth Jones plus a pick…

    Hopefully a 1st. RNH almost got Jones by himself.

  143. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Kessel. Wheeler. Seguin. Hall.

    You could probably win a Cup with the Top Fs Chiarelli has traded away.

    Other than Wheeler who I know nothing about work wise, all 3 others had reported attitudinal issue when young and maybe still.

    Players like that never worked for the Oilers even before PC. They shouldn’t bother acquiring them.

    This draft that means no to Boqvist or Merkely. I know how skilled they are, but for the Oilers it’s wasting a first round pick.

    Also forget any ‘Russians’ other than Svech. No point given history. Panarin probably also, they’d immediately want him to bang in the corners and block shots, and I’m sure that doesn’t suit his style. Probably why Torts wants him out.

  144. tsg says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Does anyone remember how putrid the Defense was in Edmonton prior to Peter Chiarelli taking over? Boston was terrified to deal with Chiarelli so they took a substandard offer to get anything for Dougie Hamilton.Chiarelli offer was, at a minimum, twice as good.Everyone forgot that all Chiarelli had to try and get better quickly was trading Draft Picks, career AHLers and spending in Free Agency. The Oiler Scout didn’t have anything current on Reinhart or any others so Chiarelli got misinformed.If Reinharthad a better work ethic he’d be in the NHL.

    With Taylor Hall on this team (and health) you’re a playoff team with a poor defense and a stanley cup contender with an average NHL defense.

  145. russ99 says:

    Can we put this Barzal nonsense to bed? Every team can look at every draft and say “ I should have picked that player”.

    16 teams passed on him including the Oilers who weren’t going to draft him.

  146. Bag of Pucks says:

    russ99:
    Can we put this Barzal nonsense to bed? Every team can look at every draft and say “ I should have picked that player”.

    16 teams passed on him including the Oilers who weren’t going to draft him.

    Just cos a bunch of people make the same dumb decision, it doesnt make that dumb decision more defensible.

    The Oilers should be kicking themselves for not drafting Barzal today along with all the others who let him slide down the board.

    Unfortunately the Oilers don’t kick themselves, so i have to do it for them!

  147. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Hall gets the Hart
    Barzal gets the Calder
    How is Chia still employed?

    Lowe and MacT were probably the most adamant about getting rid of Hall. And Lowe and MacT were probably the ones most insistent on acquiring Griffin Reinhart.

  148. Bag of Pucks says:

    The Oilers have now developed 4 Hart Trophy winners, none of whom won the Calder.

    3 of them won the Hart with other teams (Gretzky, Messier, Hall) though Gretz obviously won it plenty with the Oilers as well.

  149. godot10 says:

    russ99:
    Can we put this Barzal nonsense to bed? Every team can look at every draft and say “ I should have picked that player”.

    16 teams passed on him including the Oilers who weren’t going to draft him.

    50-60% of the picks before Barzal were fine. Only 6 were really suspect. It is wrong to say 16 teams were wrong on Barzal. Really on 4 or 5 were (since Boston had 3 picks).

    McDavid
    Eichel
    Marner
    Hanifin
    Provorov
    Werenski
    Meier
    Rantanen
    Debrusk

    Dylan Strome
    Zacha
    Crouse
    Gurianov
    Zboril
    Senyshyn

  150. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    The Oilers have now drafted 4 Hart Trophy winners, none of whom won the Calder.

    3 of them won the Hart with other teams (Gretzky, Messier, Hall) though Gretz obviously won it plenty with the Oilers as well.

    The Oilers didn’t draft Gretzky.

  151. Jethro Tull says:

    Anyone seen the movie Fatherland? I’m thinking reboot, but instead of the Nazis winning the war, the Oilers drafted perfectly and nobody was ever traded and we won every game by every metric imaginable.

  152. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: The Oilers didn’t draft Gretzky.

    Good catch.

  153. rope-a-dope says:

    A rather sobering awards night likely for the management group as a whole. I say that because my view is the Reinhart trade was less Chiarelli, more Green/others. Hopefully this leads to extra consideration and caution when assessing potential trades this summer.

  154. Pescador says:

    rope-a-dope,

    Nah,
    How many people do you know in Management of any kind sit around second guessing themselves saying geez I can’t believe how wrong I was.
    At best you typically get a thinly veiled admittance of possible oversight,
    which is usually qualified in someway or probably blamed on someone lower on the totem.
    Everyone else is wrong, that’s why I’m in charge.
    You’re criticism is unfounded because you don’t see what They see.
    Fin

  155. VOR says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Does anyone remember how putrid the Defense was in Edmonton prior to Peter Chiarelli taking over? Boston was terrified to deal with Chiarelli so they took a substandard offer to get anything for Dougie Hamilton.Chiarelli offer was, at a minimum, twice as good.Everyone forgot that all Chiarelli had to try and get better quickly was trading Draft Picks, career AHLers and spending in Free Agency. The Oiler Scout didn’t have anything current on Reinhart or any others so Chiarelli got misinformed.If Reinharthad a better work ethic he’d be in the NHL.

    I would really like to know a) how you know Griffin Reinhart has a lack of work ethic, and b) how you know he would have played in the NHL if he had a better work ethic?

  156. Alpine says:

    Well I’m glad Chia fixed the D and paid a shit high price to barely do so. Maybe he can solidify RHD this summer and trade McDavid for Ekblad.

  157. digger50 says:

    Timing couldn’t be better.

    We are probably right on the verge of another trade. Oscar and the tenth for???. And we may get incrementally better. Say the resturn brings back 20% greater performance than Klefbom. Not worth it.

    I hope that Peter thinks really hard on any moves, we simply cannot afford a single blunder.

    My congrats to Hall as well, I’m happy for him.

  158. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Nothing Brad Malone did in his 7 NHL games over the last two year show that he can be serviceable.

    He wasn’t just ineffective, he made the team worse by taking multiple bad penalties.

    What did he do in those 7 games to show he can be serviceable?

    He actually had exceptional metrics across the board in this 7 NHL games last year, the 3 minor penalties excepted.

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=ev&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=p&playerid=8474089

    In the ball park of 60% for pretty much all possession measures, 41% OZ/NZ starts, 67% on faceoffs.

    Seems he fooled a lot of folks with the small sample size heater, but I agree he shouldn’t be in the opening night lineup, and he’s not a prospect.

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    Can we put this Barzal nonsense to bed? Every team can look at every draft and say “ I should have picked that player”.

    16 teams passed on him including the Oilers who weren’t going to draft him.

    Wishful thinking – its not going to end for years and years and years – even after we win the cup we’ll still read about how we could have had McDavid, Hall and Barzal on the same team.

    I’m not so sure that if we delete Larsson from the lineup and add Hall that we are a better team.

  160. Onemanblitz says:

    OriginalPouzar: Wishful thinking – its not going to end for years and years and years – even after we win the cup we’ll still read about how we could have had McDavid, Hall and Barzal on the same team.

    I’m not so sure that if we delete Larsson from the lineup and add Hall that we are a better team.

    Thank you for stating this, it needs to be said even if it’s against the grain and risks heavy retaliation.

  161. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Actually it cost us a chance at winning a cup. This team isnt sniffing a cup for at least 4 years when the dead weight contracts are gone.
    “They werent going to pick Barzal”
    Does that make you comfortable with management?
    When casual fans are chanting Barzal. Let me guess. They thought he was too much like Nuge

  162. hunter1909 says:

    McDavid, Hall both win Hart in consecutive years as Oilers.

    Oops!

    Many Oiler fans now forced to think like Dick Cheney NeoCon clones; being fed the official line(which is, lol…like…where does a club that trades away the Hart winner for a defenceman), then now, 2 measly seasons later has to talk about trading away it’s basically mediocre defence players along with other desperately needed assets to get a winger.

    Okay that’s it LOL

    Summer starts now!

  163. godot10 says:

    Nugent-Hopkins and Klefbom are both 25 when the season starts this fall. Time to trade them, before they enter the peak years of their career.

    Like Hall, Eberle, Petry, Stoll, Pitkanen, Cogliano, etc.

    Gotta keep that big doughnut hole in the roster between 26-29 years of age.

  164. knighttown says:

    One thing on offer sheets I don’t often see mentioned. The idea in sport with the amateur draft and the salary cap is to rebalance talent around the league and strive for competitive balance. The NHL offer sheet program is one of the most flawed systems I’ve ever seen for doing that. The NHL is very lucky that GMs are too scared to use them.

    An offer sheet should be a mechanism for a bad team to get better and instead it offers an amazing way for the rich to get richer.

    Let’s forget incompetent teams like Montreal and Edmonton for awhile and focus on simply low budget teams and/or undesirable locations. Let’s use Buffalo versus Toronto or Tampa.

    If Tampa decides to target a Buffalo RFA Jack Eichel (if he was) with an offer sheet:

    -Eichel will likely sign it because it’s a better market
    -Toronto or Tampa would pay huge money and possibly price Buffalo out of matching
    -the compensation cost to Tampa or Toronto will be relatively cheap because they are pretty safely going to be in the top-10 in the NHL for the next few years. Especially with Jack Eichel…almost a sure thing they’d finish top-5 in the NHL and have to give Buffalo 4 x #27 overall. A pittance.

    Now reverse the equation. Let’s say Buffalo tries to sign away Auston Matthews.
    – Matthews would need a premium over what Toronto was offering to consider signing because it’s a crappy market
    – almost no price Toronto wouldn’t match unless they just choose not to
    – even if they let Matthews walk (for say 15M per year) the compensation to Buffalo would be much, much stiffer. How many of those first rounders are lottery tickets even with Matthews on board?

    Roughly, the cost to Toronto to sign an elite RFA is 4 picks around #27.

    The cost to Buffalo to sign an elite RFA is 4 x lottery tickets.

    It still might be worth it to Buffalo but it’s definitely more than Toronto has to pay which is why it’s so unfair.

    The RFA compensation should be tied to a total amount of draft pick value and should NOT call all first rounders equal. There are tools out there that could be used as a template. Perhaps 3 x 27’s equals one Top 5 pick or whatever.

    If I’m Kyle Dubas I ABSOLUTELY GO NUTS with RFA offers for the next few years and take advantage of this massive imbalance.

  165. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    If we’re paying 1.9M more than we are right now and have “Balance” and a PP QB who plays physical I’d take it in a heartbeat.

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