Rocket Man

by Lowetide

The NHL chronicles its history via awards, post-season All-Star teams and Stanley Cups. Each of these measurements are important and all of them rely heavily on individual greatness and peak performance. Last night, in the flashiest place on earth, Connor McDavid continued his assault on all available hardware.

“To the city if Edmonton, we’ll be back I promise.” 

THE ATHLETIC!

Give The Athletic as a gift or get it yourself and join the fun! Offer is here, less than $5 a month and your Dad will love a unique gift. I find myself reading both the hockey (Willis, Dellow, Pronman, et cetera) and the baseball coverage a lot, it’s compelling reading and a pure pleasure to visit. I’ll be running draft articles for my contribution to The Athletic now through next weekend, come aboard!

  • New Lowetide: The maturation of Daryl Katz, or heading down a dangerous road?
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 10 prospects in front of the 2018 draft.
  • Jonathan Willis: The framework of a hypothetical Milan Lucic trade
  • Mitch Brown: Tracking the best CHL blue in five data tracking categories
  • Lowetide: tough and important week for Peter Chiarelli
  • Corey Pronman: 2018 Mock Draft.
  • Jonathan Willis: Ranking the 2018 draft based on statistical performance.
  • Lowetide: The WHL draft pool 2018: Where are the forwards?
  • Lowetide: Can the Oilers repeat the 2017 draft haul?
  • Lowetide: Embracing a two-way mentoring role key for Ryan Strome
  • Lowetide: Oilers coveted righty defenceman could come in Round Two of the draft
  • Tyler Dellow: Milan Lucic’s transition into rush player wiped out much production
  • Lowetide: Shopping Milan Lucic for another problem contract.
  • Tyler Dellow: The value of draft picks and reasonable trades Canadian teams can make
  • Corey Pronman: 2018 NHL draft board.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the USHL.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and Russia: A draft tragedy.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the Republic of Finland
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and Sweden.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the QMJHL.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018Oilers and the WHL.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: Oilers draft history and the OHL
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers and the NCAA.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: The Oilers at the draft: Overagers.
  • Lowetide: Draft 2018: Oilers scouting directors: A history.

ART ROSS TROPHY

  • 7 Wayne Gretzky (1981 to 1987)
  • 2 Connor McDavid (2017, 2018)

CONN SMYTHE TROPHY

  • 2 Wayne Gretzky (1985, 1988)
  • 1 Mark Messier (1984)
  • 1 Bill Ranford (1990)

HART TROPHY

  • 8 Wayne Gretzky (1980 to 1987)
  • 1 Mark Messier (1990)
  • 1 Connor McDavid (2017) 

TED LINDSAY

  • 5 Wayne Gretzky (1982, 1983, 1984, 1985 and 1987)
  • 2 Connor McDavid (2017, 2018)
  • 1 Mark Messier (1990)

SHOPPING NO. 10 OVERALL

  • Bob McKenzieAs much as they’d be prepared, for the right player, to give up the 10th overall pick in the draft, they don’t see that player out there right now. Yeah, they’d like a right shot offensive defenceman. Everyone wants one of those. And Edmonton desperately needs one, but if they had a really good left shot offensive defenceman who became available, they’d certainly look at that too for that 10th pick or some other assets. That’s their number one priority, their number one goal is to try and get that. The guy they really want, I think, is not available. His name is Ryan Ellis of the Nashville Predators. A year left on his contract. David Poile’s number one priority is to extend him this summer. If he doesn’t get extended then he could perhaps become available but not in time for this weekend.”

Lots to unload here, notably the Oilers are shopping in a very nice neighbourhood (Ryan Ellis). As we get through today, if there is no trade involving a veteran, I do think the No. 10 overall selection becomes the pressure point.

Justin Faulk is available, maybe Tyson Barrie. My hope is the Oilers make the pick at No. 10, and see how this thing plays out over the next 12 months. Grab some wingers, a No. 4 center and a couple of penalty killers and you’re good to go.

Blue Bullet is a must read every year, fascinating process and worth looking back years later to see how things rhyme. He’s made a lot of astute predictions over the years.

HOW MANY GOALS?

How many goals from the Nuge-McDavid-Rattie line this season? I’m assuming Rattie doesn’t hold the job for the entire year, but his replacement will score some in his absence. Let’s say 80 goals, that’s 40 from 97, 25 from RNH and the rest for Rattie and company. Let’s say Leon Draisaitl spends the season with Matt Calvert and Jesse Puljujarvi. Let’s further say the trio scores 60 goals. That’s 140 goals on two lines. Question: Do you think think the rest of the Oilers roster will score 140 goals combined? What happens when McDavid is at rest is the single biggest problem with Peter Chiarelli’s Oilers. Here’s my quick and dirty ‘projected goals’ for next season. I have 215 goals listed, that’s shy by many.

  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins [25]—Connor McDavid [40]—Ty Rattie [12]
  • Milan Lucic [15]—Leon Draisaitl [27]—Drake Caggiula [12]
  • Jujhar Khaira [8]—Ryan Strome [15]—Jesse Puljujarvi [16]
  • Pontus Aberg [7]—Brad Malone [3]—Zack Kassian [8]
  • Oscar Klefbom [8]—Adam Larsson [2]
  • Andrej Sekera [4]—Kris Russell [2]
  • Darnell Nurse [5]—Matt Benning [6]
  • Cam Talbot3—Mikko Koskinen

The absence of alternatives clears the mind. Austin Czarnik is a free agent July 1 and I think a strong fit for this Oilers team. He’s a center by trade and is a righty, two things the Oilers can use. Boston has a ton of young players bubbling up, this is a perfect storm for a team like Edmonton to slide in and grab him in free agency.

CHIARELLI’S NEEDS LIST

  • A scoring winger capable of sliding up and down the depth chart as required (Rattie insurance and a finisher for Leon’s line).
  • A two-way winger who can provide veteran presence on the third line.
  • A second-pairing defender (patience may require this solution arrives later).
  • A backup goalie (Mikko Noskinen).

I don’t see the RHD for the power play as being the main priority, the Oilers clearly do based on all available verbal. If they get something done today I expect it’ll be on the defense.

CHIARELLI’S ASSETS LIST

  1. No. 10 overall. Moves up based on what the market is saying.
  2. Milan Lucic.  No idea what the market might be, suspect he goes after July 1.
  3. Zack Kassian. He’s likely in a few conversations.
  4. Oscar Klefbom. The OEL signing has him moving down my list (from No. 1).
  5. Jesse Puljujarvi. He’s vulnerable, suspect they’ll regret dealing the big man.
  6. Ryan Strome. Oilers may want to reset that third line.
  7. Andrej Sekera. Injury unknown likely keeps him here.
  8. Kris Russell. NMC probably keeps him here.
  9. Cam Talbot. I don’t believe it but his name is out there.

Today is a big day. If we don’t hear anything about trades then it’ll either happen on the draft floor or sometime next week (possibly through salary dump and free agency).

TAYLOR HALL

I was happy to see Taylor Hall win the Hart last night, he’d earned it but isn’t the same as winning the award. Connor McDavid also earned the honor, but the NHL has weird rules and traditions passed down from scribe to scribe since Biblical times. I know there’s a ton of rage on both sides today, for me this was an outstanding result and a deserved result.

I also wanted to mention the awards show itself. I’ll admit to crying a river and ending up a mess during the Humboldt Broncos piece, absolutely devastating to see the images again. It was beautiful to see the healing, a hopeful moment in a tragic story that will never be forgotten. I thought Christina Haugan was so courageous, her speech was perfect for the moment. It must have been very difficult for her to read it, in that situation, but there was a lot of wisdom in her words. Heartbreaking.

Finally, a word about Adam Larsson. I made my opinion on the trade known long ago, but at this point it’s baffling to me why people hammer on the defenseman. He didn’t trade himself to Edmonton, and he is a productive NHL player. I’m all for leveling blame but please have the courage to aim your blows where they belong.

DANGER

What you really hope, if you’re an Oilers fan, is the organization stays resolute in their plan and refuses to make a deal that bleeds more talent. It may be tempting to change the headline this morning, but that’s unwise if the deal is a net loss. As an example, Oscar Klefbom being dealt would be a very poor decision today unless an equal quality RHD with the same brilliant contract is coming back in return.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

If the Oilers are going to trade a roster player, suspect it happens today. I’ll be all over it on the Lowdown. At 10 this morning, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Simon Boisvert, Prospect Insider. Simon will give us his opinion on the right pick for Montreal, Ottawa and Edmonton, plus look at some gems for the second round and later.
  • Josh Eberley, Hoop Magazine. NBA draft tonight, Raptors looking to move into the top 10.
  • Rob Vollman, ESPN and NHL.com. Rob will give us the best possible ways to get some cap room before July 1.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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Yeti

Woodguy v2.0: Google didn’t auto translate the page for me, so I had to do it on my own.

Your Finnish has seriously improved!
Although I am intrigued by your reference to ‘recreational womens’ – there may be a more direct, yet troubling, translation.

Rondo

https://twitter.com/BrockOtten/status/1010143639186571266

OHL Prospects

@BrockOtten
Follow Follow @BrockOtten

I truly could see Ty Smith falling, perhaps even to the late 1st. Not a popular opinion. But I know some have concerns over his ability to adapt to the game when it’s played at top speed. Struggled at the TPG, U18’s when the pace increased…especially with decision making.

T0ML

Im more thinking it might be either Klef or Pool Party with the 10.

texmex:
T0ML,

I fear nurse would go the other way in any deal.

texmex

T0ML,

I fear nurse would go the other way in any deal.

T0ML

Well shit, Bob wasnt blowing a ton of smoke afterall…..god imagine a Nurse – Parayko pairing …

texmex:
Friedman speculating on Parayko too…

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/10-thoughts-bergevin-looking-add-centre-defenceman-canadiens/

“There is word that a number of teams are asking St. Louis if there’s any reason they would consider moving Colton Parayko. One of them has to be Edmonton, picking 10th.

My guess is the price would be enormous. He’s a terrific player on an excellent contract. Maybe they feel having Alex Pietrangelo there gives the Blues reason to think about it.”

texmex

Friedman speculating on Parayko too…

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/10-thoughts-bergevin-looking-add-centre-defenceman-canadiens/

“There is word that a number of teams are asking St. Louis if there’s any reason they would consider moving Colton Parayko. One of them has to be Edmonton, picking 10th.

My guess is the price would be enormous. He’s a terrific player on an excellent contract. Maybe they feel having Alex Pietrangelo there gives the Blues reason to think about it.”

Woodguy v2.0

Interesting JP interview: https://www.is.fi/nhl/art-2000005718828.html

Google didn’t auto translate the page for me, so I had to do it on my own.

Here’s what the machine tells me it says:

Jesse Puljujärvi has a very important training period for the entire career.
Jesse Puljujärvi has been sweating in the summer in the Oulu region for over a month. Motivation for training is hard, because the next season is of extraordinary importance to him.

Puljujärvi, 20, from the contract with Edmonton Oilers begins the final season and he finally wants to break through the NHL.

In Helsinki’s home games, more than one of the winners of the World Championships in Youth have risen to the real limelight of adults. The performances of Patrik Laine, Sebastian Ahon and Mikko Rantanen have been admired and praised, but at Puljujärvi there has been a quieter performance.

Last season, “Pulju” played 65 NHL matches, with a moderate 12 + 8 = 20 power points.

– I’ve been in the team, but I have not played the way you level, Puljujärvi thinking Ilta-Sanomat in an interview.

– Of course, the next season is really important. I need Napsun or a couple to add to both the spiritual and the physical side, he admits.

The headache for Pulju Lake has also brought North American life-style adaptation. Over time, the situation has improved, but …

– Improving language skills is still an important thing. I’d like to throw more stuff with my teammates and get better with the tune.

Pulju Lake trained two previous summers in the Helsinki Metropolitan Area, but has returned to Oulu for this season. He is very pleased with his solution.

– Well done in Helsinki, but I always thought about getting to Oulu and going home.

– It’s better to work out when family and friends are close. This is all the better job now, he continues.

Pulju Lake has been training with the Kärpät on ice and is part of the summer training group drawn by Samppa Jaakola.

At the Lake of Pulju there is a special focus on the development of speed and struggle power. Particular attention has been paid to the practice of recovery and the fact that Puljujärvi makes the most important exercises as rewarding.

He assures that the workout has been bitten.

– The force has gripped. Almost every time you can put more iron on the bar.

Puljujärvi tells that he has made six consecutive series of concerts with a hundred kilo. In addition, he reported that he had made a six-repetition series on a one-leg squat with 130 kilos. This movement is made of a kind of stepple support supported at an angle of about 90 degrees.

Even the upper body-strengthening bench press is part of the Puljujärvi training program, although it is not the most important movement for ice hockey.

– There is not much to tell about the bench. Less than one hundred pounds in that hoary, he is silent.

In addition to the guided exercises, Puljujärvi is playing once a week for the hockey series at the SippiTeam team. In the same team, the NHL defender Markus Nutivaara is waiting.

In the summer series, there are a lot of recreational womens.

Does the mouthpiece call for professional players?

– Yes, there’s something small that can ever come in, but it’s okay, Puljujärvi laughs.

The summer edition of Kieko is a good way to relax in Lake Pulju Lake, in the middle of harder physical haystacks. Otherwise, spending time with your friends hanging around.

– Put a lot of food together and listen to music.

Jaxon

re: Russell:

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1010123908689924096

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly

“Replying to @W_82
Don’t usually do this, simply because the site is a passion project & don’t take it to heart when some challenge what we have (especially since we have been wrong before), but in this case I can assure you that we have for Russell is 100% accurate.

CC: @BeerLeagueHeroe @margih99”

So he has a NMC for all 4 years and his limited NTC kicks in next summer.

OriginalPouzar

Finally the day is here.

The Oilers hold the 10th pick and the 40th pick as their two top picks.

From accounts, the Oilers will be choosing among the likes of Adam Boquist, Ty Smith, Barrett Hayton with their 1st pick. There is a chance that someone like Oliver Whlastrom or Even Bouchard drops to them.

Chia has stated that, while there are some nice d-men at the top of the draft, he will be taking the best player available.

Chia has talked about not making huge moves this off-season but was pretty clear yesterday that the 10th overall pick is in play for an offensive minded d-man (preferably right shot but that is not a requirement).

Chia also did mention the possibly about trading up to grab a certain player.

Should a super-interesting evening (and weekend)

Go Oilers!

OriginalPouzar

Your blurb from capfriendly says the same thing – the acquiring team must agree for the clause to continue by signing an addendum. If they don’t sign one, the clause falls away.

If the NTC is limited and the player is traded to a team that does not require the clause to be waived, the acquiring team will simply not sign an addendum and not be bound.

If the player is being traded in connection with the player waiving, the player has power and will likely not agree to the trade unless the acquiring team agrees to be bound.

rickithebear

Off dmen: Evp + ppp rank
Hedman 3
Burns 4
Klingberg 6
Krug 8
Doughty 11
Josi 12
Carlson 13
Subban 14
Jones 14
Yandle 16
Barrie 16
Byfuglien 18
Gardener 18
Gostibete 20
Leddy 20
OEL 22
Suter 23
Keith 24
Letang 25
Reilly 28
Brodie 31
Shattenkirk 32
Ristolienin 33
Giordano 33
Spurgeon 35
Goligoski 37
Muzzin 39
Green 40
Provorov 42
Faulk 44
Ekholm 45
Or love 48
Hsnafin 50
Martinez 50
C. Miller 54

Harpers Hair

–hudson–: Q: Did Milan Lucic ask for a trade?
A: I’m not going to comment on that, Matty.

Q: If Milan Lucic is back next season, where is your confidence level at that he won’t have a repeat of this last year where even he admitted it was not a great year for him?
A: My confidence level is pretty high.I think Milan’s a high character individual.He has to have a good summer, really conditioning for him is not an issue, he has to be in the right frame of mind.He’s a proud guy and we expect to have him back at a better level than he was last year.
———–

Is there another signal out there?

No

rickithebear

Special teams: avg rank of PPP and PK def
Klingberg 6
Burns 7
Doughty 16
Letang 20
Dumba 22
Josi 24
Brodie 31
Martinez 31
OEL 39
Jones 45
Muzzin 46
Vatanen 46
Parayko 49
Zaitsev 52
Handle 54
C. Miller 54
Elder 54
Byfuglien 55
Carlson 57
Or love 58
Schmidt 62

rickithebear

Someone said thier are not any real #1 dmen left.
Even?
Def?
Off?
Special team.

Even: avg of ev HD def & Evp
suter 9
Hedman 13
Parayko15
Doughty 19
Spurgeon 20
Chara 20
Ellis 22
Niskanen 25
Schmidt 25
Vlasic 32
Larsson 32
Martin 33
Ekholm 33
Letang 34
Alzner 38
Cole 40
DeHaan 43
Weber 44
Manson 44
Stralman 45
Dumba 50
K. Miller 60
Braun 60
Orpik 62
Matta 65
Lindholm 67
Methot 69

Def: ev HD def & PK Def
Doughty 11
Methot 16
Dumba 21
Ekholm 30
Parayko 32
K. Miller 33
Orpik 33
Larsson 34
Ellis 35
Lindholm 37
Schmidt 38
Vlasic 39
Letang 40
Niskanen 43
Cole 45
Schmidt 47
Braun 47
Suter 53
DeHaan 56

Jaxon

Scungilli Slushy: I believe that when the list is submitted the player can be traded to those teams ‘without’ their consent.

That is the point. The player gets some control and the team can move.

I’m sure movement clauses don’t travel from previous discussions here and looking into it which I won’t do now because phone.

OriginalPouzar: No, not correct.

It is the acquiring team’s choice if the trade protection clause continues or falls away.

From Cap Friendly:

NMC
“The clause can travel with the player even if he consents to being traded or is claimed on waivers
This requires that the acquiring team sign an addendum to the contract ensuring that the clause does in fact travel with the player (written by the player’s agent)
If the acquiring team refuses to sign the addendum, and the player waives his clause anyway, at that point the clause may be nullified.”

This puts all the control in the player’s hands, which only makes sense. That’s why they fight for these things.

So, if Russell were traded once his Ltd NTC kicks in and he still has a NMC (as per Capfriendly), and he consents to the trade via his trade list it would require the acquiring team to sign an addendum to the contract ensuring that the NMC does, in fact, travel with Russell (written by Russell’s agent).
If the acquiring team refuses to sign the addendum, Russell doesn’t have to waive his clause, which would in effect cancel the trade.

Jaxon

OriginalPouzar:
11.8(a):

The SPC of any Player who is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent under Article
10.1(a) may contain a no-Trade or a no-move clause. SPCs containing a no-Trade or a no-move
clause may be entered into prior to the time that the Player is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent
so long as the SPC containing the no-Trade or no-move clause extends through and does not
become effective until the time that the Player qualifies for Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agency.
If the Player is Traded or claimed on Waivers prior to the no-Trade or no-move clause taking
effect
, the clause does not bind the acquiring Club. An acquiring Club may agree to continue to
be bound by the no-Trade or no-move clause, which agreement shall be evidenced in writing to
the Player, Central Registry and the NHLPA, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof.

This doesn’t apply at all.

“If the Player is Traded or claimed on Waivers prior to the no-Trade or no-move clause taking
effect, the clause does not bind the acquiring Club. An acquiring Club may agree to continue to
be bound by the no-Trade or no-move clause, which agreement shall be evidenced in writing to
the Player, Central Registry and the NHLPA, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof.”

That means if a player is traded PRIOR to his clause taking effect the acquiring team doesn’t have to honour it. Russell’s and Sekera’s clauses will be in full effect when traded.

rickithebear

Nudge had one of the 5 best ppg .84 (adjusted for league goal rate) 18 year old seasons in the modern era. Not facing 1st comp

Nuge playing with Eberle under Nelson facing 2nd comp was 33gm 13g 18a 31pt -2
On pace for 80gm 32g 44a 76p

Playing with Mcdavid at end of season. 16gm 8g 9a 17p
On pace for 80gm 40g 45a 85p

His healthy PVP seasons he averaged 79gm 20g 52p

Injuries showed during PvP play in 12-13, 15-16, 17-18
He averaged 59gm 13g 24a 37P
adjusted to 79 games 17g 32a 49p

Based on the 3 blocks of non PVP play in his 7 seasons
It is not unreasonable to expect
80gm 32-40g 45a 77-85p

JimmyV1965

who: Maybe it’s not enough for Nuge but it would be close.
I was thinking bigger. Something like Nuge and Klefbom for Pacioretty, 3OV, 38OVand Cale Fleury.
Think I would only do it if there was a deal in place to dump Lucic. Something like Lucic and something for Faulk. Gives you the cap space to resign or replace Pacioretty after next season.Shouldn’t hurt the forward group for next season but losing Klefbom leaves a hole.
The plus side is the Oilers could do a lot of damage with 4 picks in the top 40 this year. Those players would be cheap and under team control for the McDavid and Drai contracts.
You have to look at where both teams are for this trade to make sense. Montreal’s 2 highest paid core players are in their early 30s. Edmonton’s are in their early 20s. Montreal is under more pressure to win now than Edmonton.
I really don’t see Edmonton as a cup contender for a year or two but this deal would set them up nicely moving forward.

That makes a lot more sense. Addresses two issues for the Habs. I can definitely see the Habs making a trade. I think I might watch the first part of the draft for the first time ever. Will be lots of drama.

Boil-in-the-Oil

Rafa Nadal:
What do you guys make of these silly Parayako rumors? Love the player, but the price would start with Draisaitl and I don’t think that’s a good trade.

Agreed. Seems impossible. I have a couple of dream D-Men I’d like to see us take a stab at…
Shayne Gostisbehere, Dougy Hamilton, and Parayko. All 3 are young & prized. Cost would be extremely prohibitive, so it’s scary to consider Chiarelli losing big time on another trade. It’s time for another value trade, he knows how, he just needs to say NO if the deal ain’t right…dont force it.

But . . . no harm in dreamin’.

Buddy

Kinger_Oil.redux:
– OK I haven’t posted this in awhile (and no credit for Benning now!)Quite a few had the right years, and close to AAVby the way.

– I’ll repost a few timesup to draft day:

– I’ve posted this for the last few years. It’s a diversion for the summer: we all get to be arm-chair GM’s. Contest the off-season elaborate version of Hunters. Winner gets a donation to LT.

What will the Oilers do (not what should they do, or what you would do!)?:

1) Who will be the first drafted player by the Oil this year?
2) Length and AAV of Nurse’s contract (or traded?)?
3) Length and AAV of Benning’s contract (or traded)? 2×1.9
4) Length and AAV of Strome’s contract (or traded)?
5) Do any of Marody, Benson, Bear or other non-roster org players make the team for game 1?
6) Will another senoir Hockey management type come in? Bonus Who?
7) Who will be Lucic’s C when puck drops for game 1?
8) Who will be Jesse’s C when puck drops for game 1?
9) Who will be Kailer’s C when puck drops for game 1?
10) Who of Klef, Larsson, Nurse, Russel, Benning, Sek aren’t on opening day roster: replacements?
11) How many hockey trades does Chia make: bonus is one is named?
12) Who is the most expensive Edmonton off-season FA signing?: bonus if you get multiple right

Please answer in the the following format so I can cut and past easy:

1 Kody Clark, Ottawa, OHL (3rd round)
2 8 x 5.9
3 4 x 3.1 (this would have been my answer if I’d done this on time, I have to be honest)
4 4 x 3.9
5 Bear
6 Yes. Mark Messier (mid-season)
7 Connor McDavid
8 Colin Larkin
9 Connor McDavid
10 Klefbom. Replacement Bear.
11 2. Klefbom and Nugent-Hopkins out. All I can say about the return for each is that the average fan will never have heard their names before.
12 Patrick Maroon. 5 x 5

Thanks for doing this Kinger! This was cathartic. As I hope is obvious, my principle in answering everything was “What would be both stupid and yet so Oilers?” (I know, the two criteria pretty much overlap.) As for contracts, nobody bids against himself better than Chiarelli (I know, I got Benning’s contract wrong. We’ll see about the rest).

who

JimmyV1965: Ya. That’s a pretty bad idea.

Maybe it’s not enough for Nuge but it would be close.
I was thinking bigger. Something like Nuge and Klefbom for Pacioretty, 3OV, 38OV and Cale Fleury.
Think I would only do it if there was a deal in place to dump Lucic. Something like Lucic and something for Faulk. Gives you the cap space to resign or replace Pacioretty after next season. Shouldn’t hurt the forward group for next season but losing Klefbom leaves a hole.
The plus side is the Oilers could do a lot of damage with 4 picks in the top 40 this year. Those players would be cheap and under team control for the McDavid and Drai contracts.
You have to look at where both teams are for this trade to make sense. Montreal’s 2 highest paid core players are in their early 30s. Edmonton’s are in their early 20s. Montreal is under more pressure to win now than Edmonton.
I really don’t see Edmonton as a cup contender for a year or two but this deal would set them up nicely moving forward.

JimmyV1965

digger50: I think we get a young player that might be as good as Nuge.

So now we have only two top six forwards, and we are in 30 place again. We rush the new kid in and he flounders, but at least he’s cheap, by year three he’s ready to be paid and he adds what Nuge was adding, so we are back to adding a top six forward.

It moves the needle backward, Connor gets more frustrated, then hopefully the player is as good as Nuge.

You’re right. And it’s not like the Nuge is old.

OriginalPouzar

I was thinking the same thing – I watched his media avail, his time with the panel and listened to his 1 on 1 with Stauff – he never once signaled that Lucic wasn’t going to be traded.

He very well might not be able to consummate the deal but it remains clear that he’s trying to.

JimmyV1965

godot10: Connor McDavid’s trade request follows shortly thereafter.

Ya. That’s a pretty bad idea.

--hudson--

Harpers Hair: Chiarelli already signaled today that Lucic is going nowhere.There are no dollars.

Q: Did Milan Lucic ask for a trade?
A: I’m not going to comment on that, Matty.

Q: If Milan Lucic is back next season, where is your confidence level at that he won’t have a repeat of this last year where even he admitted it was not a great year for him?
A: My confidence level is pretty high. I think Milan’s a high character individual. He has to have a good summer, really conditioning for him is not an issue, he has to be in the right frame of mind. He’s a proud guy and we expect to have him back at a better level than he was last year.
———–

Is there another signal out there?

Harpers Hair

digger50:
My opinion? Keep Klefbom.

Looch money freed up however that works. We need a 20 goal scorer that is acquired with nothing going out. (Free agent)

Use remaining dollars to strengthen bottom six.

Have a good draft. Value NHL readiness as part of criteria when making pick.

Chiarelli already signaled today that Lucic is going nowhere. There are no dollars.

OriginalPouzar

I think they are baseless – started with a spit-ball tweet by Stauffer – yes, he is an insider but, in this case, I think he was just spit-balling.

Rafa Nadal

What do you guys make of these silly Parayako rumors? Love the player, but the price would start with Draisaitl and I don’t think that’s a good trade.

digger50

My opinion? Keep Klefbom.

Looch money freed up however that works. We need a 20 goal scorer that is acquired with nothing going out. (Free agent)

Use remaining dollars to strengthen bottom six.

Have a good draft. Value NHL readiness as part of criteria when making pick.

rickithebear

Meds kept me up all night so I looked at Lindsey and Art Ross seasons since it’s start in 70-71
Gretzky won the Lindsey in 5 of his 10 Art Ross seasons.
Lemieux won 4 Lindsey and 4 Art Ross but won both in only 2 seasons
Jagr won 3 Lindsey and 5 Art Ross but only 2 Lindsey in his 5 Art Ross seasons.
Lafleur won 3 Lindsey in his 3 Art Ross seasons.
Crosby won 2 Art Ross in his 3 Lindsey seasons.
Ovechkin won 1 Art Ross in his 3 Lindsey seasons.
Esposito won 2 Lindsey in his 4 Art Ross seasons.
Mcdavid won 2 lindsey in his 2 Art Ross seasons
Dione won 1 Art Ross in his 2 Lindsey seasons.
Hasek won 2 Lindsey
Messier won 2
Malkin won 1 Lindsey in his 2 Art Ross seasons.
St. Louis won 1 Lindsey in his 2 Art Ross seasons
Orr won 1 Lindsey in his 1 art Riss season
Iginla won 1 Lindsey in his 1 Art Ross season.
D. Sedin won 1 Lindsey in his one Art Ross season
P. Kane won 1 Lindsey in his 1 Art Ross season
Rataille won a Lindsey
Clarke won a Lindsey
Liut won a Lindsey
Yzerman won a Lindsey
Hull won a Lindsey
Fedorov won a Lindsey
Lindros won a Lindsey
Sakic won a Lindsey
Naslund won a Lindsey
Price won a Lindsey
Trottier won 1 Art Ross
Forsberg won 1 Art Ross
Thornton won 1 Art Ross
H. Sedin won 1 Art Ross
Benn won 1 Art Ross.
2 Lindsey in Art Ross seasons Mcdavid rare company.
Gretzky 5 Lindsey/Art Ross seasons
Lafleur 3 Lindsey Art Ross seasons
Lemieux 2 Lindsey/Art Ross seasons
Jagr 2 Lindsey/Art Ross seasons
Espo 2 Lindsey arts seasons.
Crosby 2 Lindsey Art Ross
Mcdavid 2 Lindsey/Art Ross.

digger50

My belief is the team must bring skill in, they cannot afford to move skill out. Thus any trade moving skill out will be hard to win. Even if we do win the trade and the new player is 25% better than the old, atvsimilar costs, it still won’t move the needle a lot. Why take the risk?

Thus, we have no players, at least no good players we really want to move.

Leaves us with Looch. Biggest win is a Looch trade or freed up cap space so we can add. I believe this is done already with a handshake deal. We can add a 20 goal scorer if this works out.

Finally we have the 10 pick, it can bring in skill. We may experience the loss of a roster player as well and if so the return must provide a substantial benefit to the overall roster.

This is the plan as I read it. Peter is trying hard to make a good trade. He wants it and it’s very likely. He has hinted that all other moves revolve around if he can or cannot pull off that trade. It influences draft strategy and free agent strategy in regards to roster need and available dollars. He’s going to make the trade, and I think we have it surrounded on this blog. Oscar plus the tenth..

digger50

JimmyV1965:
I’m not advocating this, but what if we traded RNH straight up for the 3OV? Hurts like hell in the short term.

I think we get a young player that might be as good as Nuge.

So now we have only two top six forwards, and we are in 30 place again. We rush the new kid in and he flounders, but at least he’s cheap, by year three he’s ready to be paid and he adds what Nuge was adding, so we are back to adding a top six forward.

It moves the needle backward, Connor gets more frustrated, then hopefully the player is as good as Nuge.

Richard S.S.

Oilers have done very well with ‘College’ signings and have had better results than some draft picks. The Cap is $79.5 Million and the Oilers can be $7.95 Million (10%) over the Cap ($87.45 Million) until near the start of the Season.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins to Montreal for the #3 Pick and Patches would work and Zadina/Tkachuk can play now. That’s a trade that might work. I only move Klefbom for an upgrade at that position, no other reason. I would trade the #10 and Nurse or Bear for a top four RHD.

OriginalPouzar

–hudson–,

Yes, I’ve read Kelly’s blog on the matter.

As I stated, I trust capfriendly’s information first and foremost and will trust it implicitly unless proven otherwise.

Feel free to tweet CF and ask – they do respond to tweets.

OriginalPouzar

11.8(a):

The SPC of any Player who is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent under Article
10.1(a) may contain a no-Trade or a no-move clause. SPCs containing a no-Trade or a no-move
clause may be entered into prior to the time that the Player is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent
so long as the SPC containing the no-Trade or no-move clause extends through and does not
become effective until the time that the Player qualifies for Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agency.
If the Player is Traded or claimed on Waivers prior to the no-Trade or no-move clause taking
effect, the clause does not bind the acquiring Club. An acquiring Club may agree to continue to
be bound by the no-Trade or no-move clause, which agreement shall be evidenced in writing to
the Player, Central Registry and the NHLPA, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof.

--hudson--

OriginalPouzar: I have a very high level of confidence in capfriendly and will trust their information.

Here’s some further information.
http://www.beerleagueheroes.com/kris-russells-nmc-means-nothing-heres/

Sportrac is another trusted source for contract details and there’s here say that Chiarelli claimed there is no NMC during a season ticket holder meeting.

On the other hand cap friendly lists their source as this tweet which has no mention of a NTC or NMC
https://mobile.twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/878305636894875649

Scungilli Slushy

Jaxon Capfriendly lists clauses as far as they’re known unless someone knows better.

OriginalPouzar

Jaxon: I don’t think that is quite accurate. 1.the team will ask for their trade list. 2. I believe in that case, because the player hasn’t waived his contract to be traded then the clauses move with him automatically. That is the default and it would be up to the player and his agent. 3. Sekera’s contract is slightly different from Russell’s in that Sekera’s changes from a full NMC to a Limited NTC whereas Russell’s changes from a full NMC to NMC with a limited NTC. So Russell doesn’t have to waive to be traded and therefore his NMC travels with him and he will therefore have to be protected in the expansion draft or bought out by whatever team he is on at the time.

No, not correct.

It is the acquiring team’s choice if the trade protection clause continues or falls away.

Scungilli Slushy

godot10: Connor McDavid’s trade request follows shortly thereafter.

Connor is young, it’s old players that do that stuff.

He like all highly drafted players are 140% invested in the drafting team. Look at Hall’s comments after trade. He was pissed and he never saw playoffs.

The young are trying to make their mark and build and lack experience or reference. Older players get the odds better.

Smart teams use that bonding, less smrt teams waste it. It’s like Canada geese or ducks. Humans aren’t different.

Scungilli Slushy

Jaxon: I don’t think that is quite accurate. 1.the team will ask for their trade list. 2. I believe in that case, because the player hasn’t waived his contract to be traded then the clauses move with him automatically. That is the default and it would be up to the player and his agent. 3. Sekera’s contract is slightly different from Russell’s in that Sekera’s changes from a full NMC to a Limited NTC whereas Russell’s changes from a full NMC to NMC with a limited NTC. So Russell doesn’t have to waive to be traded and therefore his NMC travels with him and he will therefore have to be protected in the expansion draft or bought out by whatever team he is on at the time.

I believe that when the list is submitted the player can be traded to those teams ‘without’ their consent.

That is the point. The player gets some control and the team can move.

I’m sure movement clauses don’t travel from previous discussions here and looking into it which I won’t do now because phone.

godot10

JimmyV1965:
I’m not advocating this, but what if we traded RNH straight up for the 3OV? Hurts like hell in the short term.

Connor McDavid’s trade request follows shortly thereafter.

Gerta Rauss

Kinger_Oil.redux,

1) Ty Smith
2) 1 x $3.5M
3) 2 x $1.9M-done
4) 2 x $3M
5) none
6) none
7) Victor Rask
8) Draisaitl
9) Strome
10)Klefbom
11)2 trades-Lucic and a pick and salary retained to Carolina for Justin Williams-Klefbom to Boston for Tory Krug
12)Koskinen

ArmchairGM

T0ML:
Just a thought on the Gryba buy out….

If we know he is goign to the minors….Where we have a log jam of Blue prospects that we want to give playing time.Why Tempt woodcroft with a NHL Vet to play over these kids?

We all bitch about not giving our prospects time and putting vets , IE Gryba, in the AHL lineup before the kids…..This buyout does two things.

1) Lets Gryba pursue somewhere else, which is good optics for the Oilers on the FA market potentially
2) Perhaps more importantly it lets players like Bear *NOT* be pushed down the AHL lineup, and to get playing time a new AHL head coach would potentially want to give to a trusty vet he coached in the majors….

Just my 2 cents for Florida today…. back to melting.

Who exactly is this “logjam” of right-shot blue in Bakersfield? I count ONE serious prospect, Ethan Bear, and another long-shot in Ryan Mantha. That’s it.

Munny

–hudson–,

Thank you so much for this!

JimmyV1965

I’m not advocating this, but what if we traded RNH straight up for the 3OV? Hurts like hell in the short term.

Jaxon

Scungilli Slushy:
Russell and Sekera can be traded next season without their consent and movement clauses don’t travel unless the acquiring team agrees.

Somebody will take an NHL D if the price is right, there are always teams needing them. Both were UFA signings so no asset cost if the return is light.

Whether they do it smart is a different story.

I don’t think that is quite accurate. 1.the team will ask for their trade list. 2. I believe in that case, because the player hasn’t waived his contract to be traded then the clauses move with him automatically. That is the default and it would be up to the player and his agent. 3. Sekera’s contract is slightly different from Russell’s in that Sekera’s changes from a full NMC to a Limited NTC whereas Russell’s changes from a full NMC to NMC with a limited NTC. So Russell doesn’t have to waive to be traded and therefore his NMC travels with him and he will therefore have to be protected in the expansion draft or bought out by whatever team he is on at the time.

Harpers Hair

Kinger_Oil.redux: – Thats a hot goalie away from the cup:

1st line: top-5 in league
2nd line: depends on Looch
3rd line: upsied from league average depending on pool
4rth Line: Kharia etc: a lot faster than before

For the D: depends which vintage you get: Nurse and Benning much better than 2 years ago: do Klef/Larsson/Sek play more games at previous levels?

– This is NHL today.Winnipeg sucked 2 years ago.Then a lot of them had career years and got a year older, now they are great.

– Put down Vegas team: they all got hot this year, and played fast.

– I don’t think all of Rattie/Pool/Lucic/Kailer/ will have career years either.But it’s not crazy that they all score 15-20 and we are humming….

You have to bear in mind that other teams, depending on their individual circumstances, could also be much better. For example, if Calgary finds a high scoring winger that they’re hoping to find they’ll be tougher.

San Jose is already better and are in on both Tavares and Kovalchuk.

LA will have Jeff Carter back and are sitting on more than $10M in free cap space cap space to find additional scoring.

Anaheim may find a taker for Corey Perry and Kessler will likely go on LTIR and they will have, if those things happen, $30M in cap space as well as a rock solid solid D as well as some blue chip prospects.

Vegas is sitting with $30M in cap space and a prospect pool to die for.

No reason to think any of Winnipeg, Nashville, Blues or Stars will be worse.

Vancouver doesn’t look to be much better but they lost a ton to injury last season and, if healthier, should improve by a few points at least.

Only one team in the Pacific is cap strapped so pronouncing them a winner at the moment is a little premature.

Making the playoffs under the circumstances would be a huge win.

Richard S.S.

OriginalPouzar,

Cap Freindly Oilers is as accurate a site as the NHL. I trust it immensely.

OriginalPouzar

Richard S.S.:
Oilers have assets to trade on Friday.Draft Picks – this year and next, Ethan Bear – has shown he can play up here and Stuart Skinner – because of his amazing run in his Postseason.Ethan Bear is at best, the Oilers’ 7th D option despite his promise.Stuart Skinner looks like the real thing except he might not have a place on this Teamfor three years.

Yes, they can trade draft picks, something they’ve done consistently for years and years and its lead, in part, to a depleted prospect pool that is only now starting to gain a bit of traction.

Teams need players to play in the NHL on their ELCs and to be material players – we cannot keep trading away draft picks for more veteran and expensive players or we’ll never be able to compete – we’ll need to continue to fill our lineups with the likes of Caggulia and Aberg whereas we need those spots to be filled by actual high end prospects that are drafted and developed and ready to produce on the cheap.

Skinner won’t be ready for the NHL for at least a couple or three years, if ever.

OriginalPouzar

leadfarmer:
OriginalPouzar,

Yes but no one actually knows the details of that contract.Some say no NMC, some day 2 year NMC and then partial NTC, some day 4 year NMC and last two years partial NTC.Google Kris Russell contract.No two sites say the same thing

I have a very high level of confidence in capfriendly and will trust their information.