Green River

The Oilers traded Raffi Torres for Gilbert Brule on July 1, 2008. It was one of those “we’ll trade an actual NHL player for a guy who was a lottery pick and has taken a little time to develop” kinds of deals, it usually works out as a substantial loss (NHL teams don’t trade their lottery picks three years after drafting them if things are looking up). Brule scored 17 goals and 37 points in 2009-10 under Pat Quinn (I wrote “has a nice release and can find lanes and he has some jam despite his size another smaller player”). He was one of the better possession forwards (46.48 Corsi for 5×5, but 2.00 Corsi Rel) and he was 22. Gilbert Brule was fewer than 80 games from the end of his NHL career.

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ABERG VS. CAGGIULA

  • Aberg and Caggiula will be part of the ‘early audition’ group of Oilers wingers this fall. The club needs to find eight men and true to play alongside Connor McDavid,  Leon Draisaitl, Ryan Strome and (probably) Jujhar Khaira.
  • The ‘first eight’ group is likely to include Nuge—Rattie, Lucic—Yamamoto, Caggiula—Puljujarvi and Aberg—Kassian.
  • I think we’re about to see another winter of auditions on the wing, and it may envelope the season. Lack of scoring beyond the McDavid line may be the chief cause of the Oilers losing touch with the pack, thus inviting the organization to audition farmhands.
  • Rumors of Jason Chimera being signed probably doesn’t offer much in the way of roadblocks for the youngsters on the farm. I’m a Chimera fan, and his long career was easily predicted (foot speed for days) but the things that made him viable are finally leaving him.
  • Players who might receive playing time on the wings this year are all free agents signed by the organization beginning July 1 (they have lots of room on the 50-man), plus names like Cooper Marody, Tyler Benson, Patrick Russell, Joe Gambardella, Tyler Vesel, Cameron Hebig and Nolan Vesey.

Opening night 2009-10 Brule played on a line with Andrew Cogliano and Dustin Penner (it would have been the No. 2 line behind JF Jacques—Shawn Horcoff—Ales Hemsky). The following year, 2010-11, he would play with Magnus Paajarvi and Andrew Cogliano, a member of a line that would eventually get lost in the flood. A year later, Linus Omark was in Brule’s spot.

As things stand now, ladies and men, I suspect we can make a prediction: This 2018-19 campaign is going to see a lot of auditions for wingers on the second, third and fourth line. The organization can land some NHL wingers in free agency, as the current depth chart is not satisfactory. There’s very little money, so astute signings are required. A fascinating thread the needle summer awaits Peter Chiarelli.

50-MAN LIST

  • Brule’s first opening night was 2009-10, the right wing depth chart was Ales Hemsky—Gilbert Brule—Ryan Stone—Zack Stortini. The following year, it was Hemsky—Jordan Eberle—Brule—Steve MacIntyre. In 2011-12, right wing opening night featured Eberle—Hemsky—Magnus Paajarvi and Ryan Jones. Next season? Eberle—Hemsky—Hartikainen—Petrell.
  • How many of those RW depth charts are better than the current alignment? Tough to say, as Yamamoto and Puljujarvi may have significant careers ahead of them. Right now, it feels like a year of auditions (after a season of auditions) on the wing is ahead.

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145 Responses to "Green River"

  1. stephen sheps says:

    Green River – the band that gave birth to Pearl Jam and Mudhoney. You can hear the genesis of both bands, to say nothing of the entire Seattle scene/sound that emerged half a decade or so later, especially in tracks like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB8l3-mGeSg

  2. Wonder Llama says:

    I will follow this thread just to see Brule’s WOWY’s with Bono.

  3. knighttown says:

    What’s crushing is that there are so many good options available with teams choosing this year not to qualify their young RFA wingers like Duclair and Rieder. But because of little things; Gryba buyout, Caggs overpay, Russell overpay we’re likely gonna be 200k short on our offers to these guys.

    Were left praying for a Lucic for nothing trade and the signing of a couple of these terrific options.

  4. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Wonder Llama,

    Nicely done.

  5. Yeti says:

    Wonder Llama:
    I will follow this thread just to see Brule’s WOWY’s with Bono.

    The rub on Brule was that he didn’t play with enough edge.

  6. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Wow, Lucic for nothing has the potential to solve a lot of problems. Lucic + for nothing also solves problems. Beyond hands and feet there’s still a player there. But he was atrocious last year, don’t think he can be trusted to play beyond the third line and I would be happy to see him on the fourth even if his play has plateaued. Hands and feet are important in hockey.

    Now, I’m not the smartest person in the world, but I love it and I love the Oilers, which is why I love to follow this blog and learn a lot along the way.

    But with that, I think VOR is right that Lucic has negative value. If getting out from under that player (not just the contract – the player too) costs you the 1 round 2019 pick, I think you consider it. Yes you gain an important ELC but you forfeit that under Milan’s contract anyhow. Without Lucic you have cap flexibility to establish a vision for the wings. The farm takes a hit, but PC has done a decent job of getting that ship turned around. It would be a huge admission of an error in the initial signing, sure, but no matter the wounds, the air would seem fresh and the sun would shine a bit brighter.

  7. pts2pndr says:

    It would seem from my prospective that there are a number of solutions that Inhave not seen proposed.
    I believe a second line that would push the river already has the required bodies. Khaira Drai and JP would give the team a second line with size, speed and skill. Khaira at his price point would be a greadt add to the top six. Moving lucic to the third line and giving him second pp time as the net front presence is preferable to paying to have someone take him off our hands. If you add Khaira and Lucic’s salary together you have your 2nd and 3rd line left wingers for average salary of just over 3 million. I think at the very least the line of Khaira Drai and JP should be given the preseason and 10 games to start the season. I do not see this having any more of a negative effect than whatvwas done with Rattie on the first line. The more stability early this year the better the odds for a successful start!

  8. maddex says:

    Andy Strickland reporting rumblings of a Lucic deal in place…

  9. Professor Q says:

    stephen sheps:
    Green River – the band that gave birth to Pearl Jam and Mudhoney. You can hear the genesis of both bands, to say nothing of the entire Seattle scene/sound that emerged half a decade or so later, especially in tracks like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB8l3-mGeSg

    And before Green River was Green River, before they even became Mudhoney and Pearl Jam, they began as a grunge-punk band called Mr. Epp & The Calculations (or, “The Worst Band in the World”).

    I had a physics teacher named Mr. Epp, and he’d always bring in his guitar and jam for us (also seemed to be high at times…but one shouldn’t speculate about such things).

    Very insightful lessons about the physics of sound and waveforms.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8zMxKEgPxJ8

  10. npanciroli says:

    Andy Strickland tweeted there are rumblings that the Oilers have a deal in place for Lucic. Hold onto your butts.

    Rishaug retweeted it also.

  11. Profit says:

    Hey LT – just wanted to let you know that I came to the site, hit refresh and I couldn’t see today’s post. It only showed yesterday’s post (and comments up to 12:38pm) but nothing after.

    I had to follow the twitter link and then sign in to get to it.

    Using Chrome on a Mac.

  12. meanashell11 says:

    Chrome on a Mac as well and have had no problem this week at all.

  13. Ribs says:

    Everyone’s gonna lose their minds when it’s Milan Lucic for Ryan Kesler.

    I had to log in to see the new postings as well since the move to https:// . Maybe if we edit our bookmarks to include the “s”, things will work as normal?

  14. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    Wow, Lucic for nothing has the potential to solve a lot of problems. Lucic + for nothing also solves problems. Beyond hands and feet there’s still a player there. But he was atrocious last year, don’t think he can be trusted to play beyond the third line and I would be happy to see him on the fourth even if his play has plateaued. Hands and feet are important in hockey.

    But with that, I think VOR is right that Lucic has negative value. If getting out from under that player (not just the contract – the player too) costs you the 1 round 2019 pick, I think you consider it.Yes you gain an important ELC but you forfeit that under Milan’s contract anyhow.

    – Ricki had a good post that I commented on in last thread.

    – If you believe that Lucic will have a 3% shooting, going forward, based on post-christmas, or that his shooting percentage is now 6.9% going forward, vs 14% career, the you are right

    – But should his sh% return, and he’s a 15-20 goal, 45-55 point guy, next year, then you are giving up a lot at a low price, and trying to find a 15-20 goal scorer

    – I’d bet a lot that Lucic plays a lot better next year: adjustments, coaching changes, professionalism.

    – Baring a trade for actual NHL players, the most likely 2nd liner available to us is Lucic next year

    * if the Oil decdie to make a Hockey trade for Lucic, sure, and they can allocate his $6MM in a different manner. But that’s different than giving up a 1st to get rid of a guy who is likely to revert and on top of it, giving away stuff like a first.

    * Like a Lucic for a Faulk and Benning: I might not like it, but at least it’s a hockey trade. Then your looking for more F scoring

  15. TO10801 says:

    Profit:
    Hey LT – just wanted to let you know that I came to the site, hit refresh and I couldn’t see today’s post. It only showed yesterday’s post (and comments up to 12:38pm) but nothing after.

    I had to follow the twitter link and then sign in to get to it.

    Using Chrome on a Mac.

    I’m using a desktop PC and had to do the same thing

  16. McSorley33 says:

    knighttown,

    What’s crushing is that there are so many good options available with teams choosing this year not to qualify their young RFA wingers like Duclair and Rieder. But because of little things; Gryba buyout, Caggs overpay, Russell overpay we’re likely gonna be 200k short on our offers to these guys.

    Were left praying for a Lucic for nothing trade and the signing of a couple of these terrific options.
    ***********************************************************************************************************
    Take a look at our depth chart.

    Strome and Looch are #4 and #5 in scoring on our team last year…they had 13 & 10 goals despite the fact they both played the full 82 games.

    Michael Traikos of National Post/ Sun chain was talking about another team and took a side swipe at the Oilers in making a point.

    Do you want to have a team with a young core cast but have nothing surrounding them?

    Who surrounds RNH, Dria and McDavid?

    Montreal, Ottawa….can we think of any other team so thin at forward?

    This upcoming year is a development year for young forwards.

    The teams success, imo, is riding on JP, Yamamoto, Benson, McCleod etc,…and that is not going to happen this year. This is the cluster that is meant to surround Drai and McDavid.

    Team is building for the following year. Try to move Looch this year. Then Russell next summer.

  17. Doug McLachlan says:

    maddex:
    Andy Strickland reporting rumblings of a Lucic deal in place…

    The replys to the Andy Strickland‏ tweet are a lot of fun (fear and panic on all potential sides of a Lucic deal).

    Verified account @andystrickland

    Follow Follow @andystrickland More

    Some rumblings #Oilers have deal in place to move Lucic. We shall see

    9:06 AM – 28 Jun 2018

    The destination dictates the nature of the deal and the fact that everyone is assuming that the deal is post July 2nd suggests that the difference between cap$ and cash$ would be a factor in making the deal (though I suspect even the most flush teams don’t mind someone else ponying up the cash).

    We are assuming the plan from Lucic’s point of view, as he needs to agree to be moved, is to go to a place that he can duck the some of the spotlight so I presume it’s the States. Interesting.

  18. Doug McLachlan says:

    Ribs:
    Everyone’s gonna lose their minds when it’s Milan Lucic for Ryan Kesler.

    I had to log in to see the new postings as well since the move to https:// . Maybe if we edit our bookmarks to include the “s”, things will work as normal?

    Umm if Kesler is going to be on LTIR (his hip is disintegrating – as much as I hate him I wouldn’t wish this on anyone) that might make some sense.

    How does the NMC work if the player agrees to waive for a trade as Kesler has one as well?

  19. StixMalone says:

    Doug McLachlan: go to a place that he can duck the some of the spotlight so I presume it’s the States. Interesting.

    Agree 100%.

  20. StixMalone says:

    Kessler won’t come to Edmonton. The cold will flare up his arthritis….

  21. flea says:

    While I think the Lucic trade (if it happens) is about performance, I also believe it’s about his fit in the dressing room. They brought him in to be a leader, it obviously hasn’t worked out. I liked the signing because I thought it brought CMD and Drai some cover. The Hall era Oilers always signed these budget veterans who never had played at a high level.

  22. knighttown says:

    McSorley33:
    knighttown,

    What’s crushing is that there are so many good options available with teams choosing this year not to qualify their young RFA wingers like Duclair and Rieder. But because of little things; Gryba buyout, Caggs overpay, Russell overpay we’re likely gonna be 200k short on our offers to these guys.

    Were left praying for a Lucic for nothing trade and the signing of a couple of these terrific options.
    ***********************************************************************************************************
    Take a look at our depth chart.

    Strome and Looch are #4 and #5 in scoring on our team last year…they had 13 & 10 goals despite the fact they both played the full 82 games.

    Michael Traikos of National Post/ Sun chain was talking about another team and took a side swipe at the Oilers in making a point.

    Do you want to have a team with a young core cast but have nothing surrounding them?

    Who surrounds RNH, Dria and McDavid?

    Montreal, Ottawa….can we think of any other team so thin at forward?

    This upcoming year is a development year for young forwards.

    The teams success, imo, is riding on JP, Yamamoto, Benson, McCleod etc,…and that is not going to happen this year. This is the cluster that is meant to surround Drai and McDavid.

    Team is building for the following year. Try to move Looch this year. Then Russell next summer.

    100% agree. We have arguably the best centre depth in the NHL and our leading goal scorer among wingers was Drake Caggiula with 13. That’s last by a country mile.

    We all thought we’d be shopping out of the bargain bins for aging vets like Thomas Vanek and Cammo Larry but the GM’s have all decided that wing is where the cuts need to be made with the Cap coming in at 79M.

    A fresh batch of these RFA/UFA wingers; Czarnik, Rieder, Duclair, Carr, Petan. Guys like Burakovsky and Skinner are out there.

    You’ll never get a chance to get so much bottom 9 wing talent for such an affordable price but the key is moving Lucic.

    Based on this climate (and the fact that getting out from under Hunwick cost Sheary) I’d be happy with almost any Lucic trade that frees up Cap space. He’s not just negative valued he’s nuclear negative.

    I’d go as high as any prospect to Bear (not Jesse, EB or KY) and I’d absolutely trade any forward besides the Big 3 including Khaira who I like.

  23. godot10 says:

    flea:
    While I think the Lucic trade (if it happens) is about performance, I also believe it’s about his fit in the dressing room. They brought him in to be a leader, it obviously hasn’t worked out. I liked the signing because I thought it brought CMD and Drai some cover. The Hall era Oilers always signed these budget veterans who never had played at a high level.

    Cover for young players is NEVER provided by 30-somethings. It is provided by players, even mediocre one in the prime years of their career, mid-to-late twenty somethings.

    The Oilers have been trading away these players for a decade, leaving a giant donut hole in the roster from 25 to 29 years of age.

    Stoll, Torres, Pitkanen, Hejda, Petry, Gilbert, Hall, Eberle, etc. There are more

  24. godot10 says:

    godot10: Cover for young players is NEVER provided by 30-somethings.It is provided by players, even mediocre one in the prime years of their career, mid-to-late twenty somethings.

    The Oilers have been trading away these players for a decade, leaving a giant donut hole in the roster from 25 to 29 years of age.

    Stoll, Torres, Pitkanen, Hejda, Petry, Gilbert, Hall, Eberle, etc.There are more

    Which is why Rieder, who is 25, is much preferable to Grabner, who is 30.

  25. Rondo says:

    Andy Strickland Retweeted Andy Strickland

    Milan Lucic has not been asked to waive NMC at this point. Owed $3 mill in bonus money on July 1st. If a deal were to happen, sounds like it would be after July 1.Andy Strickland added,
    Andy Strickland
    Verified account

    @andystrickland
    Some rumblings #Oilers have deal in place to move Lucic. We shall

  26. DBO says:

    Doug McLachlan,

    yep. wonder if Carolina is that place. Lucic seems like a Dundon type of player, shake it up and get some leadership. And Lucic is a name in the US for sure. that would be a selling point for sure.

    Faulk maybe? Then a move or buyout of a dman. If he got Faulk and Skinner and didn’t have to eat much or give up a 1st along with Lucic I would look at that as a coup. No idea if Skinner would be willing to come here.

  27. slopitch says:

    I think Buffalo might have some interest in Lucic as well. But ya Id bet Carolina too.

    Please please please. Cap space would really give this roster a chance to be better then last.

  28. leadfarmer says:

    Rondo,

    3.5 million actually.
    To Carolina???

  29. Doug McLachlan says:

    DBO,

    I am now wondering about the cash part of the deal and thinking Ducks.

    If Kesler is done and the NMC does not follow – would the Oilers do Lucic and the 2019 1st for Kesler and Rakell? Kesler goes LTIR and with some of our young guns we can do the paper dance to clear the cap until LTIR comes on.

    Lucic is owed $22.5M more, and while last year was awful he will probably be a 40pt guy next year. Rakell is on an amazing contract but Kesler is owed $26.7M more and may not play another game.

  30. flea says:

    godot10,

    I mean, to be fair, ML was signed at 27. He’s 30 this year. So he fits your age range technically.

    Not trying to feed the troll here, I actually agree with you overall. They kept moving out the veterans in favor of young players, and then the young players got lost. By the time those young guys were the veterans, they were considered damaged goods, traded for peanuts. It was a death spiral.

    I actually like a lot of Chiarelli’s moves, apart from the Hall trade. Hall and Eberle were products of the damaged goods era and the team needed to reset with CMD and start over. I think they could’ve kept one of those guys, preferably Hall, and found that RHD in an Eberle or RNH trade.

  31. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I would be happy for Milan to rebound to a 15-20 goal guy, though that production + can be spread across the middle of the lineup for less money and term, perhaps?

    Oftentimes I watch a player and wonder why the shooting % has fallen off a cliff. Gripping the stick, taking too many shots from range, what have you. Problems that come out in the wash if theres a change in line mates, roles, whatever. With Milan I really worry that its a result of his foot speed – he simply cannot separate. The shooting % is low for the same reason his play in the neutral zone is so unreliable. If I were a betting man, it would be that Milan Lucic does not recover.

  32. leadfarmer says:

    I just hope we don’t blow that money on another UFA like JVR or Neal that we will regret within 2 years

  33. Bank Shot says:

    knighttown: 100% agree.We have arguably the best centre depth in the NHL and our leading goal scorer among wingers was Drake Caggiula with 13.That’s last by a country mile.

    The Oilers also have $30 million tied up in their centers(assuming Strome gets 3 per), which is probably tops in the league by a large margin.

    When you have 40% of the cap tied up in one position, other areas will suffer. Since you really need defence and goaltender, the wings are always going to suffer unless the Oilers get lucky and find a few guys that just kill it on their entry level deals.

    That’s probably the best org weakness to have though as I feel like wingers are the most likely position players to outperform their entry level deals.

  34. npanciroli says:

    leadfarmer,

    Yeah, I agree this is the concern.

  35. Primetime says:

    Carolina is the most speculated landing spot (by myself included) because of the word that they were looking for more truculence.

    Did anyone read that article on the Athletic where they were in the draft room with the Hurricanes? Very interesting article, intent was to show how involved Dundon is in the day to day business including hockey related matters. One part that stood out to me was their discussion on trading for Ryan O’Reilly, what would it take, was he a fit etc. The reporter stated that while they love his style of play, they weren’t sure that he was fit because of his age, and whether he could relate to all the younger players on the team.

    If they are worried that O’Reilly is too old for their group, doubt they are interested in the much older Lucic unfortunately…

  36. Primetime says:

    It was Scott Burnside and here is the quote after sitting through the meeting:

    “Take the Buffalo center who is six years older than Hanifin. There’s no question the two-way center would be a nice addition to the Carolina roster and, with Jordan Staal, could create an imposing one-two punch down the middle that would make the Hurricanes much more difficult to play against. But how big a concern is that kind of age gap?”

  37. McSorley33 says:

    I vote for Arizona being a landing spot for Looch….

  38. trencan says:

    leadfarmer:
    I just hope we don’t blow that money on another UFA like JVR or Neal that we will regret within 2 years

    Pat Maroon?

  39. godot10 says:

    flea:
    godot10,

    I mean, to be fair, ML was signed at 27. He’s 30 this year. So he fits your age range technically.

    Not trying to feed the troll here, I actually agree with you overall. They kept moving out the veterans in favor of young players, and then the young players got lost. By the time those young guys were the veterans, they were considered damaged goods, traded for peanuts. It was a death spiral.

    I actually like a lot of Chiarelli’s moves, apart from the Hall trade. Hall and Eberle were products of the damaged goods era and the team needed to reset with CMD and start over. I think they could’ve kept one of those guys, preferably Hall, and found that RHD in an Eberle or RNH trade.

    Lucic was an OLD 28 when he signed with the Oilers. Lots of wear and tear on a big men. They rarely last beyond 30.

  40. Side says:

    godot10: Lucic was an OLD 28 when he signed with the Oilers.Lots of wear and tear on a big men.They rarely last beyond 30.

    When in doubt, just move the goal posts.

  41. Oilin4 says:

    Everybody’s looking at getting players in the similar age range – likely looking at Vegas and trying to re-create that. Suggests there’s a market inefficiency or two for anyone willing to “take on” the “burden” of an age gap.

  42. Pretendergast says:

    Interestingly, this team didn’t qualify the player they were offering the Oilers for Lucic and aren’t negotiating with him. They appear to have cut him free. Maybe tough negotiating maybe he needs a last chance Texaco. Or maybe they hope it will be a wake up call.

    VOR from your post last night, I’ll guess Reider, Lehner, or Carr out of Montreal are the only ones that seem to fit the reasonable name while also not being qualified. Would’ve guessed Pouliot but he got signed yesterday.

    Weird that Vegas and the Hawks dont make who they offered public but I’ll throw Duclair into the fold. I’m not asking for a real answer but would i be on the right track?

    Nobody in Carolina made sense to me but they seem like the most obvious destination.

  43. Melman says:

    McSorley33:
    I vote for Arizona being a landing spot for Looch….

    Could you imagine the irony and the outcry if it was Looch for Demers!

  44. Rondo says:

    There is more evidence that Chiarelli is working for other teams in the NHL than he works for the Oilers.

  45. npanciroli says:

    Melman,

    This would be so awesome.

  46. digger50 says:

    What team does Andy Strickland usually cover?

  47. flea says:

    Rondo,

    Maybe he’s a patsy for the league. Sewer the Oilers long enough and McD demands a trade to a bigger, more visible market.

    Mcdavid in NYC or LA is worth so much more to the league in many ways. TV deals, merchandising, branding, etc.

  48. Bos8 says:

    Yep, Chia is right there with the “Elders of Zion”. Conspiracies abound.

  49. jeetz says:

    My guess for a number one spot is Vancouver

  50. leadfarmer says:

    Primetime,

    Well OReilly would not come cheap. Lucic will

  51. digger50 says:

    jeetz:
    My guess for a number one spot is Vancouver

    I’m with you

    I had Virtanen in the deal.

    With respect to Strickland. Lowetidians were ahead of him in predicting a trAde was already in place waiting for July 2.

  52. npanciroli says:

    digger50,

    I wonder if Brandon Sutter.

  53. errorjordan says:

    digger50,

    St. Louis

  54. dustrock says:

    digger50:
    What team does Andy Strickland usually cover?

    He’s covered the Blues for years

  55. Richard S.S. says:

    Three days to go to July 1st, this should be an exciting time. Peter Chiarelli has an offseason cap of $87.45 Million (10% above the cap) and doesn’t have to become Cap compliant until Season Start. That’s about $17.0 Million in Cap space. Now before anyone panicks, the Oilers won’t operate at this level – just that it’s available. The “bigger” deals will occur via trade, basically an upgrade at position. I don’t think a hole will be created via trade that won’t be filled by a coresponding move. I do think getting better requires a trade rather than a free agent signing.

  56. Jordan says:

    Bank Shot: The Oilers also have $30 million tied up in their centers(assuming Strome gets 3 per), which is probably tops in the league by a large margin.

    When you have 40% of the cap tied up in one position, other areas will suffer. Since you really need defence and goaltender, the wings are always going to suffer unless the Oilers get lucky and find a few guys that just kill it on their entry level deals.

    That’s probably the best org weakness to have though as I feel like wingers are the most likely position players to outperform their entry level deals.

    Now, I’m not Ryan Rishaug, so my math may be wrong, but… the only way the Oilers have 30M at centre is if you think RNH is playing centre.

    Seems to me he’s a LW now.

    Which would have 4 Cs at about 25M.

    Still a lot of money at C, but… 5M is 5M.

    Edit – Forgot to show my math…
    CMD – 12.5M
    LD – 8.5M
    RS – ~3M
    JK – 0.8M
    Total ~24.8M

  57. Victor Bone says:

    Yakapov for $650K? Would anyone be against this low-risk bet to add a little competition on the wings? Yost has a nice article up on TSN showing how he can be deployed effectively.

  58. Primetime says:

    leadfarmer:
    Primetime,

    Well OReilly would not come cheap.Lucic will

    Don’t think “Lucic” and “cheap” should be in the same sentence…or we wouldn’t be having this dilemma. There are plenty of older/tough to play against players that would be cheaper than Lucic in both contract money and acquisition cost….

  59. Wonder Llama says:

    dustrock: He’s covered the Blues for years

    Ha! Makes me think of (now UFA) Kyle Brodziak. Virtually identical boxcars as Lucic for 1/6 the price.

  60. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Stauffer poo-pooing Lucic trade talk, also mentioned how trading him could benefit Maroon’s camp. Strange.

  61. Richard S.S. says:

    The Oilers have $33.0 Million tied up in thei top three Centers and a LW or call it two Centers and two LW. They also have $22.0 Million tied up in their top four D. That leaves $24.5 Million left for the remaining 13-14 Players. It will be interesting to see how it all works.

  62. VOR says:

    Pretendergast: VOR from your post last night, I’ll guess Reider, Lehner, or Carr out of Montreal are the only ones that seem to fit the reasonable name while also not being qualified. Would’ve guessed Pouliot but he got signed yesterday.

    Weird that Vegas and the Hawks dont make who they offered public but I’ll throw Duclair into the fold. I’m not asking for a real answer but would i be on the right track?

    Nobody in Carolina made sense to me but they seem like the most obvious destination.

    You have the right concept.

  63. VOR says:

    Really the list of final destinations for Milan Lucic is small.

    Carolina is still in the mix but fading from this morning’s thread.

    That leaves

    Vancouver
    Arizona
    New York Rangers

    Can anybody think of other contenders?

  64. knighttown says:

    Victor Bone:
    Yakapov for $650K? Would anyone be against this low-risk bet to add a little competition on the wings? Yost has a nice article up on TSN showing how he can be deployed effectively.

    I’m not a big Yak fan but if he came cheap he might be an option on my “Jets in the mirror PP” I’m asking Viveiros to put in.

    The Jets us RH Wheeler on the R half wall and Stastney is the only L shot on the PP and plays below the goal line.

    Super easy. Actually Washington won the Cup with the same thing. Three options:
    1. Laine/Ovie in the Ovie spot
    2. Scheifele /Oshie in the slot
    3. Bufflin/Carlson RH bomb from the point or more like completing passes to Ovie/Laine

    Caps use Kuzie and Backstrom rotating on the R boards but I like the Winnipeg model as a better template since it uses Wheeler in a non-shooting position.

    For the Oilers you’d mirror it. CMD plays the role of Wheeler. He never shoots anyway so having him work off the half-boards on the left instead of the right seems like a non-issue.

    Yak in the Laine spot.
    Drai in the Oshie spot (or vice versa)
    Klefbom bombing away
    Strome below the goal line on his forehand and able to move around with CMD like Ovie and Backstrom.

  65. N64 says:

    VOR: Nobody in Carolina made sense to me but they seem like the most obvious destination.

    Nonsensical = Most obvious. Sad.

  66. russ99 says:

    Since Strome hasn’t signed yet and is no doubt looking for more that the $3M QO or he would have signed it I pose the question:

    Strome or two decent FAs with a track record? I know which I’d pick.

  67. Victor Bone says:

    knighttown,

    This seem reasonable and he can slide up at EV if Rattie and Kailer have rough patches. He is a solid bet for 12 goals and 30 points. The ship has probably sailed, but this seems like a better bet than an unproven AHL player like Czarnik (whom I like).

  68. stephen sheps says:

    russ99: Since Strome hasn’t signed yet and is no doubt looking for more that the $3M QO or he would have signed it

    Why do you say that? I’m sure there are many cases of people being tendered and then negotiating throughout the summer, especially if they’re trying to avoid arbitration. He’s got until July 15th to sign or file for arbitration. There’s no serious rush.

  69. digger50 says:

    Get your predictions in.

    Milan Lucic, where is he heading?

    Or do we believe Peter, Bob S, Milan’s agent that he’s not going anywhere?

  70. Lowetide says:

    I’ll guess Lucic to St. Louis for Patrik Berglund. I was on the Boston train but this deal makes more sense.

  71. knighttown says:

    My guess is that they can’t move him.

  72. John Chambers says:

    VOR:
    Really the list of final destinations for Milan Lucic is small.

    Carolina is still in the mix but fading from this morning’s thread.

    That leaves

    Vancouver
    Arizona
    New York Rangers

    Can anybody think of other contenders?

    Depends. St Louis has an itch, but seems they could scratch it with Maroon.

    Lucic may not want to go to Vancouver, however his family (and presumably his wife’s are from there) they do have tons of cap space. Lucic ran over a few Canucks players recently, and a young rebuilding team could use a thug. Chiarelli has traded for Loui Eriksson once before, so I worry about this move.

    Perhaps Dallas. They have a need at LW behind Benn. Seems like Lucic might be a good fit for that group. Maybe they’d make us take back Martin Hanzal.

    Philadelphia seems like a city that would embrace Lucic. Although they may not have a contract putrid enough to trade (Lehtera or MacDonald only have 1 year left).

    Florida? Include Talbot and take back Luongo?

    There are a few options out there, but there are a lot of things that could prevent a deal to many teams.

  73. Durag says:

    Lowetide:
    I’ll guess Lucic to St. Louis for Patrik Berglund. I was on the Boston train but this deal makes more sense.

    Do you think that means walking away from Strome?

  74. LadiesloveSmid says:

    digger50:
    Get your predictions in.

    Milan Lucic, where is he heading?

    Or do we believe Peter, Bob S, Milan’s agent that he’s not going anywhere?

    I want him gone too bad. He stays, bought out/zilch for real money dumped on AZ two years from now

  75. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Durag: Do you think that means walking away from Strome?

    can you walk after qualifying?

  76. npanciroli says:

    Lucic + 3rd for Sutter.

  77. OriginalPouzar says:

    meanashell11:
    Chrome on a Mac as well and have had no problem this week at all.

    Chrome on a Netbook with no issues.

  78. Oilman99 says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I would be happy for Milan to rebound to a 15-20 goal guy, though that production + can be spread across the middle of the lineup for less money and term, perhaps?

    Oftentimes I watch a player and wonder why the shooting % has fallen off a cliff. Gripping the stick, taking too many shots from range, what have you. Problems that come out in the wash if theres a change in line mates, roles, whatever. With Milan I really worry that its a result of his foot speed – he simply cannot separate. The shooting % is low for the same reason his play in the neutral zone is so unreliable. If I were a betting man, it would be that Milan Lucic does not recover.

    I would suggest his hands are as slow as his feet. Many times last season he was not quick enough to accept a pass. Many times his passes went nobody but the other team, hands of stone.

  79. Lowetide says:

    Durag: Do you think that means walking away from Strome?

    They qualified Strome but I get your point. they need forwards, I hope they keep as many as possible with NHL experience.

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    Since Strome hasn’t signed yet and is no doubt looking for more that the $3M QO or he would have signed it I pose the question:

    Strome or two decent FAs with a track record? I know which I’d pick.

    Not necessarily true – they could be negotiating over term more than anything.

    Its also June 28 – many good RFAs don’t get signed until the dog days.

    With that said, I do think Strome comes in around $3.25M.

  81. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    I’ll guess Lucic to St. Louis for Patrik Berglund. I was on the Boston train but this deal makes more sense.

    Does it make sense if they sign Maroon?

  82. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar: Does it make sense if they sign Maroon?

    He would be a target, has had success with 97. Depends on price, and of course right wing needs some help.

  83. Richard S.S. says:

    The Oilers need to present a solid reputation and a welcoming image to NHL players of fair dealings, a comfortable place to play, a concerned and caring management – basically this is the best place to play.

    I am pro-Bob Nicholson, long time appreciation for this man. I am pro-Peter Chiarelli, a lot of respect for the difficult job I he has and the man he is. I am pro-Todd McLellan, very fair and gives everyone a chance to do what they should. This is not going to change.

    I am concerned at the rabid native of some of the fanatics, all objectivity is gone. Not a good image to present. I read everything and appreciate the differing opinions, just not the one-sided rants. This used to be the best site for Oiler news. I’d like for it to be so again.

  84. N64 says:

    Lowetide: He would be a target, has had success with 97. Depends on price, and of course right wing needs some help.

    Maroon’s timing monday was impeccable if he’s interested.

  85. PennersPancakes says:

    Lowetide,

    Looking at his numbers is slightly confusing. Which Berglund is the NHL gonna see next year? Has St. Louis soured on him? Id take his similiarish performance at less cap and 1 less year or is there something to the eye test that is missing?

    Also this is PURE speculation but on his last contract he had a limited NTC for the final two years where he could block 7 teams, could it be he doesn’t want to play in Canada? He doesn’t have it anymore, could be reading into it too much.

  86. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Current 10 teams with the most cap space

    1. NYI ($31.989 MM)
    2. VGK ($29.405 MM)
    3. NYR ($ 27.550 MM)
    4. VCR ($24.958)
    5. TML ($24.679)
    6. CGY ($24.488)
    7. CAR ($23.910)
    8. WPG ($23.323)
    9. NJD ($23.055)
    10. COL ($21.523)

    Source: http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/cap/

  87. pts2pndr says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    I would be happy for Milan to rebound to a 15-20 goal guy, though that production + can be spread across the middle of the lineup for less money and term, perhaps?

    Oftentimes I watch a player and wonder why the shooting % has fallen off a cliff. Gripping the stick, taking too many shots from range, what have you. Problems that come out in the wash if theres a change in line mates, roles, whatever. With Milan I really worry that its a result of his foot speed – he simply cannot separate. The shooting % is low for the same reason his play in the neutral zone is so unreliable. If I were a betting man, it would be that Milan Lucic does not recover.

    I think that lucic will rebound. One of the reasons he was brought on board was his physicality. McLellan muzzeled his aggresive players Kassian Lucic etc when his penalty kill went in the dumper. Being a good team player Milan and others did as requested! It does not take other teams long with todays video to recognize this and the space Lucic used to be afforded disappeared! Shortly thereafter the team went to a man to man defense in the defensive zone. Needless to say this did not play to Milan’s strengths. He may not be the player we saw in Boston but he is definitely not as bad as last years results would indicate. Keeping McLellan and his coaching style now necessitates change. What has been done in our situation is like taking horses off the Budweisser wagon and entering them in the Kentucky derby. They are high quality but unsuited for the task they are assigned! I say keep the quality and change the system. We could at the very least establish a team identity! Changing directions without establishing your destination is futile! A lot like watching a dog try to catch his tail!

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: He would be a target, has had success with 97. Depends on price, and of course right wing needs some help.

    No, I meant, would Lucic to STL still makes sense if STL signs Maroon? Apologies for not being clear.

  89. jtblack says:

    Mike Dyck new head coach of the Vancouver Giants.

  90. godot10 says:

    Durag: Do you think that means walking away from Strome?

    The QO stands until the date for player or team selected arbitration. The Oilers can walk away after that I believe. I could be wrong.

  91. --hudson-- says:

    Lowetide:
    I’ll guess Lucic to St. Louis for Patrik Berglund. I was on the Boston train but this deal makes more sense.

    I’ll make a guess too. Lucic & Slepyshev to Detroit for Abdelkader & Helm. The Oilers get their 4th line center and hope Abdelkader is a fit with Strome. The Red Wings get $2M in capspace.

    Now I’ll spend the next week hoping this doesn’t happen 🙂

  92. treevojo says:

    I will guess

    Lucic and Jesse P

    For

    The real Dylan Strome and Bolland

  93. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar: No, I meant, would Lucic to STL still makes sense if STL signs Maroon?Apologies for not being clear.

    No worries. Maroon in St Louis makes Lucic moot.

  94. Wonder Llama says:

    Lucic, my cat Cheechoo (yes, named after the Shark), and my copy of Incredible Hulk #181 to LAK for Alec Martinez, Daft Punk playing at my house (my house), and LT’s balance photo.

  95. RonnieB says:

    Does anyone know the amount of the Oilers’ QO to Nurse ?

  96. Andy Dufresne says:

    I dont think he gets traded but Ill guess anyways,

    Milan Lucic for $6 million in cap space.

  97. Andy Dufresne says:

    Victor Bone:
    Yakapov for $650K? Would anyone be against this low-risk bet to add a little competition on the wings? Yost has a nice article up on TSN showing how he can be deployed effectively.

    In a deep base voice…

    “Don’t you give me no dirty looks
    Old Chia’s hip; he knows what cooks
    Just tell your Russian friend outside
    You ain’t got time to take a ride

    .Yakety Yak…..Dont come back!”

    Im not sayin he was a Coaster………More like a Bee……..Gee.

  98. Psyche says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Victor and Andy,

    Funny thing is Yakupov is precisely what the Oilers should be looking for: young, inexpensive winger, who has under-produced but adds skill to your line-up. Remove the name and a player with his profile would be a welcome addition to the bottom 6 forwards in Edmonton.

    I’d take him on my team in a heartbeat. But, I’m biased. I think the young man is a positive addition to the team.

  99. GMB3 says:

    Psyche:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Victor and Andy,

    Funny thing is Yakupov is precisely what the Oilers should be looking for: young, inexpensive winger, who has under-produced but adds skill to your line-up. Remove the name and a player with his profile would be a welcome addition to the bottom 6 forwards in Edmonton.

    I’d take him on my team in a heartbeat. But, I’m biased. I think the young man is a positive addition to the team.

    He’s probably a better player than Ty Rattie

  100. jtblack says:

    I am not a Fan of bringing players back Yak is interesting because he does have skill. wonder what his Fancies were 5×5?

    I still say no BUT do think we need some skill added to bottom 6 ….

  101. Alpine says:

    Lucic for Kevan Miller. He’s one of ricki’s favs, I believe.

  102. pts2pndr says:

    Richard S.S.:
    The Oilers need to present a solid reputation and a welcoming image to NHL players of fair dealings, a comfortable place to play, a concerned and caring management – basically this is the best place to play.

    I am pro-Bob Nicholson, long time appreciation for this man.I am pro-Peter Chiarelli, a lot of respect for the difficult job I he has and the man he is.I am pro-Todd McLellan, very fair and gives everyone a chance to do what they should.This is not going to change.

    I am concerned at the rabid native of some of the fanatics, all objectivity is gone.Not a good image to present.I read everything and appreciate the differing opinions, just not the one-sided rants.This used to be the best site for Oiler news.I’d like for it to be so again.

    I would disagree with you on the head coach. I do not believe he is an evil man or a bad coach. I have watched him ineract with his family and by my observation he a quality individual and a gentleman! What I will say is that there is a definite disconnect between him and the GM!
    What transpired this off season could be compared to a train wreck. The powers to be fired the conducter and kept the engineer. This tells me that in the upper management the same disconnect/power struggle exists. This is not rocket science but basic deductive reasoning. It is not meant in any way to dissparage the character of any individual involved! I believe they all have a great desire to win but are not in agreement on the best way to proceed! Management has to buy in to the best way to proceed before they can expect the players to buy in! As I see it the same message is not comming from those in charge!

  103. leadfarmer says:

    I think we have a very quiet free agent period. If Lucic wants to leave he’s going to have to earn it this year.

  104. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    leadfarmer,

    Agreed.

    I’m tired of selling low on our assets or rushing to accommodate requested trades and not returning full value +.

    Best thing for the team and player is to perform well, improve value and win. Then reassess.

  105. Melvis says:

    More Yakety-yak

    “I don’t really like playing without the puck, skate all the time and do forecheck and hit somebody every shift — I don’t think it’s my game.”

    That just happens to be about 90% of the game these days Yak.

    https://www.si.com/nhl/home-ice/2013/10/16/russian-olympic-scout-edmonton-oilers-nail-yakupov-has-no-future

    And nothings changed. Some people here need to read an interview or two he gave in Russian. You know, the one about the only coach he really listens to is his dad.

    I find it hard to believe that all of the coaches from three different organizations collectively – had their heads up their asses in his regard.

  106. Scungilli Slushy says:

    IMO the Oilers don’t lack skill, they lack two way skill. Yak doesn’t make the team better.

    Who a team needs is based on the age of the core. The Oiler’s is young. They need complimentary vets that can play, to do what the young are still learning, and hopefully teach the tricks of the trade.

    They have tried, but have chosen slow boots and that’s a problem. If they are considering Chimera he has the boots, but at his age might not fit the bill, he needs to be able to score at appropriate levels.

    There are a few players that have filled this role yearly around the league, it has to be a player with game still.

    The question is can they see the right fit or is it still ‘good guy saw him good in his prime must still be good no worries ‘.

  107. jake70 says:

    Melvis:
    More Yakety-yak

    “I don’t really like playing without the puck, skate all the time and do forecheck and hit somebody every shift — I don’t think it’s my game.”

    That just happens to be about 90% of thegame these days Yak.

    https://www.si.com/nhl/home-ice/2013/10/16/russian-olympic-scout-edmonton-oilers-nail-yakupov-has-no-future

    And nothings changed. Some people here need to read an interview or two he gave in Russian. You know, the one about the only coach he really listens to is his dad.

    I find it hard to believe that all of the coaches from three different organizations collectively –had their heads up their asses in his regard.

    Someone send that quote of Yak to Eric Belanger….hahah.

  108. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Cooper Marody, Tyler Benson, Patrick Russell, Joe Gambardella, Tyler Vesel, and Nolan Vesey.

    Do these names not sound like the list of villains in a 1980s Ski School movie?

  109. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jake70: Someone send that quote of Yak to Eric Belanger….hahah.

    Yak has visions of Ovi in his head, except he can’t find his spots.

    All offense players can help, but they need elite scoring like Laine, the Yak attack isn’t at that level.

  110. rickithebear says:

    knighttown:
    What’s crushing is that there are so many good options available with teams choosing this year not to qualify their young RFA wingers like Duclair and Rieder. But because of little things; Gryba buyout, Caggs overpay, Russell overpay we’re likely gonna be 200k short on our offers to these guys.

    Were left praying for a Lucic for nothing trade and the signing of a couple of these terrific options.

    Sorry
    A little lesson in life.

    The people who create new ideas and invent new things.
    Look at what succeeds in other industries.
    What has worked in the past and what is failing.
    I real world address from a triarchial intelligence point of view.

    People who modify the things.
    People who run the things
    People who repair problems.

    Oilers not making the playoffs is a problem.
    They made it when they only gave up 207 goals.
    The game is GF and GA. A team gam

    Looked at last 12 Stanley Cup playoff seasons
    20, 16, 12, 8, 4 best teams at GF and GA reg season
    Vying for playoff progression.
    20 for 16
    16 for 16
    16 for 8
    12 for 8
    8 for 8
    8 for 4

    20 teams (240) vying for 16 spots (192) 20/31 teams = 64.5%
    34 spots were by none top 20 GF teams.
    34/192 = 17.7% of spots not filled by top,20gf teams
    13 spots were by none top GA teams.
    13/192 = 6.8% of spots filled by nonetop 20 GA teams

    Top 16 teams vying for 16 spots 16/31 teams = 51.6%
    Top 16 GF
    42 none/192 = 21.9% by none top 16 GF teams
    Top 16 GA
    32 none/192 = 16.7% by none top 16 GA teams

    Top 16 teams vying for 8 spots
    Top 16 GF
    21 none/96 = 21.9% by none GF teams
    Top 16 GA teams
    14 none/96 = 14.6% by none GA teams

    Top 12 teams vying for 8 spots 12/31 teams = 38.7%
    Top 12 GF
    34 none/96 = 35.4% by none GF teams
    Top 12 GA teams
    16 none/96 = 16.7% by none GA teams

    Top 8 teams vying for 8 spots 8/31 =25.8%
    Top 8 GF
    46 none/96 = 47.9% by none GF teams
    Top 8 GA
    36 none/96 = 37.5% by none GA teams

    Top 8 team vying for 4 spots
    Top 8 Gf
    17/48 = 35.4% of none GF teams
    Top 8 GA
    13/48 = 27.1% of none GA teams.

    Investing in strengthening your GA depth with elite passing Dmen gets you better chance than GF
    ALL THE MAY TO ROUND 3

    When you watch a lot of video, the dmen who advance the puck and are still HD available stand out.
    Partly cause they are in screen. The Dman that is not are the problem.
    See Nurse, Klefbom, Barrie, Faulk, Burns, Karlsson.

    The thing that drives me nuts is off dmen that are not below the dpartner with the puck.
    Opposition is able to eliminate a lot of lane options because of this.
    And people constantly blame the responsible Dman.

    Belichek and me: repeatable baseline system play.
    When your partner is selfishly not in position there comes a point we’re you believe they are not going to be in proper position. So that is no longer a consideration.
    You are better of to loop down.
    Rather then pas to a lane that does not exist and knowing you are the only player between the net and 2-3 opposition players.

    Remember the 2 NJ def hockey factory dmen wSouray, Fayne who questioned poor def play.

    When you look at Conf finalist you want better than top 8 top 8 team depth
    Team GF rank – GA rank
    17-18 WSH 8 – 10; Vegas 4 – 8; TMP 1 – 10; WPG 2 – 5
    16-17 PIT 1 – 12; NSH 11 – 13; OTT 22 – 10; ANA 17 – 3
    15-16 PIt 3 – 6; SJS 4 – 11; TMP 13 – 5; STL 15 – 4
    14-15 CHI 10 – 2; TMP 7 – 10; ANA 10 – 19; NYR 3 – 3
    13-14 LAK 25 – 1; NYR 18 – 4; CHI 1 – 13; MTL 21 – 6
    12-13 CHI 2 – 1; PIT 1 – 10; BOS 10 – 3; LAK 9 – 9
    11-12 LAK 29 – 2; NJD 11 – 8; ARZ 17 – 7; NYR 13 – 3
    10-11 BOS 8 – 3; VCR 1 – 1; SJS 6 – 10; TMP 7 – 22
    9-10 CHI 3 – 5; PHI 10 – 14; SJS 4 – 7; MTL 23 – 14
    8-9 PIT 18 – 6; DET 19 – 1; CAR 6 – 16; CHI 5 – 4
    7-8 DET 3 – 1; PIT 7 – 8; DAL 4 – 6; PHI 6 – 19
    6-7 ANA 5 – 7; OTT 2 – 10; DET 9 – 4; BUF 1 – 2

    You look at the numbers some awful GF numbers won cups cause thier was no one going into the HD area. a lot of the Corsi

    LAK #25 & 29 GF with #1 & 2 GA D
    CHI balanced OF & D beat out by the best def.
    Going to final for as teams advance with top 8 depth we see low GA count allows you to win series against top Offence.

    Thier is not result here that tells any non playoff team to spend money on the easiest thing to do.
    Score goals on PP and EV.
    Versus attacks designed to break system down to get Goals against at even or on PK.
    It is a heck of a lot cheaper to have a team allow 2 – 2.5 GA then pay for GF rates in sheltered situations that are actually -ve compared to the avg for that situation.

  111. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    knighttown: I’m not a big Yak fan but if he came cheap he might be an option on my “Jets in the mirror PP” I’m asking Viveiros to put in.

    The Jets us RH Wheeler on the R half wall and Stastney is the only L shot on the PP and plays below the goal line.

    Super easy.Actually Washington won the Cup with the same thing.Three options:
    1. Laine/Ovie in the Ovie spot
    2. Scheifele /Oshie in the slot
    3. Bufflin/Carlson RH bomb from the point or more like completing passes to Ovie/Laine

    Caps use Kuzie and Backstrom rotating on the R boards but I like theWinnipeg model as a better template since it uses Wheeler in a non-shooting position.

    For the Oilers you’d mirror it.CMD plays the role of Wheeler.He never shoots anyway so having him work off the half-boards on the left instead of the right seems like a non-issue.

    Yak in the Laine spot.
    Drai in the Oshie spot (or vice versa)
    Klefbom bombing away
    Strome below the goal line on his forehand and able to move around with CMD like Ovie and Backstrom.

    In theory, mirroring their PPs makes sense. But unfortunately, I don’t know if it would be that easy. Now I’m no hockey expert and could be way off base, but to me the reason that the right shot one timers front the left point or half wall work so well is because most goalies (being right handed) catch left, so they can’t reposition their right arm/blocker fast enough to block the shot with extra weight of the goalie stick. Now in theory, that would make right catching goalies more vulnerable to the proposed mirrored PP.

    Don’t know if anyone would be able to come up with some magic stats that could prove/disprove this wacky theory of mine.

  112. Admiral Ackbar says:

    A lot of comments on here about Lucic, whether to trade him, his actual value, and his likelihood to rebound next year. Sadly, Lucic still has 5 more years on that $6mil cap hit. Sadly, buying him out just isn’t an option.

    I err on the side of NHL GMs understanding that Lucic is a highly flawed and aging player and are unlikely to commit to such a contract for a player likely to be serviceable for max 3 more years (given the way most forwards decline at Lucic’s age). So even if Lucic did rebound this year, it’d likely only serve to make his contract less trade-able in the future – I believe that the magic beans of his potential rebound-year would be the only trade-bait that’d help a trade along.

    Lucic’s actual value? I hear a lot about negative value in the comments. Wouldn’t that be absolutely correct? In that contract, at his age, given his recent history: all arrows are pointing in one direction. I am glad he’s a ‘proud guy’ as Chia suggested in his presser but that’s nothing more than magic beans, again.

    It doesn’t matter if he rebounds this year. Trade him if you can (so long as you aren’t giving away too much to get the toxicity off the books).

  113. Bank Shot says:

    godot10: Lucic was an OLD 28 when he signed with the Oilers.Lots of wear and tear on a big men.They rarely last beyond 30.

    False.

    Everyone says this all the time but I don’t see any evidence of it being based in reality.

    A lot of the longest lasting players in league history were big men.

    Howe, Messier, Jagr, etc.

    In fact looking at the list of most NHL games in league history its like a who’s who list of big men. Lots of power forwards in there.

  114. Bank Shot says:

    Jordan: Now, I’m not Ryan Rishaug, so my math may be wrong, but… the only way the Oilers have 30M at centre is if you think RNH is playing centre.

    Seems to me he’s a LW now.

    Which would have 4 Cs at about 25M.

    Still a lot of money at C, but… 5M is 5M.

    Edit – Forgot to show my math…
    CMD – 12.5M
    LD – 8.5M
    RS – ~3M
    JK – 0.8M
    Total ~24.8M

    RNH is a center.

  115. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Bank Shot: False.

    Everyone says this all the time but I don’t see any evidence of it being based in reality.

    A lot of the longest lasting players in league history were big men.

    Howe, Messier, Jagr, etc.

    In fact looking at the list of most NHL games in league history its like a who’s who list of big men. Lots of power forwards in there.

    Would you put money down on Lucic being on an NHL team at 35 years old?

  116. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Bank Shot: RNH is a center.

    This would then creates another hole at LW. And the list of 8 forwards above is an absolute blazing tire fire.

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

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  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    Evan Bouchard has made the Oilers:

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    TEAM WHITE AGAIN! @kailer_yamamoto with a drop-pass to the trailing d-man & we see that @EvanBouchard02 clapper we’ve heard about. Top shelf & it’s 2-0 White. 💣 #BillyMooresCup
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  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    Graham McPhee made it 3-0 after one.

    From some accounts, McLeod, Samorukov, Yamamoto and Skinner shone in the first.

    Maksimov then scores twice before Yamamoto brings the lead back to 2, 4-2.

  120. GMB3 says:

    Bank Shot: False.

    Everyone says this all the time but I don’t see any evidence of it being based in reality.

    A lot of the longest lasting players in league history were big men.

    Howe, Messier, Jagr, etc.

    In fact looking at the list of most NHL games in league history its like a who’s who list of big men. Lots of power forwards in there.

    Howe, Messier, Jagr are all hall of fame talents. Milan Lucic is not even close. It’s not just his inability to skate, it’s his inability to handle the puck, and take and make passes.

  121. Oilman99 says:

    Lowetide: He would be a target, has had success with 97. Depends on price, and of course right wing needs some help.

    Do you not think his foot speed is a problem with pace of today’s game? I know his hands are quicker and softer than Lucic, but are his feet?

  122. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Graham McPhee made it 3-0 after one.

    From some accounts, McLeod, Samorukov, Yamamoto and Skinner shone in the first.

    Maksimov then scores twice before Yamamoto brings the lead back to 2, 4-2.

    So two goals each from Yamamoto and Maksimov? LT mentioned 2 HHOFer’s coming in the same year back in the 80’s, didn’t think it would happen again. But, it just might.

  123. Bank Shot says:

    Admiral Ackbar: Would you put money down on Lucic being on an NHL team at 35 years old?

    If he isn’t playing it has nothing to do with him being big which is the whole point.

    I see people claiming that big players breakdown earlier but I don’t see any proof of it.

  124. Bank Shot says:

    GMB3: Howe, Messier, Jagr are all hall of fame talents. Milan Lucic is not even close. It’s not just his inability to skate, it’s his inability to handle the puck, and take and make passes.

    So it has nothing to do with with being big. We are in agreement.

  125. leadfarmer says:

    ArmchairGM: So two goals each from Yamamoto and Maksimov? LT mentioned 2 HHOFer’s coming in the same year back in the 80’s, didn’t think it would happen again. But, it just might.

    Some of the Yamamoto haterz were saying we threw away a pick. If he was 6 foot 180 lbs he would have been picked number 2 overall. He blew past Nolan Patrick’s numbers. Now he may not pan out but that was a great bet that I would do again

  126. leadfarmer says:

    GMB3: Howe, Messier, Jagr are all hall of fame talents. Milan Lucic is not even close. It’s not just his inability to skate, it’s his inability to handle the puck, and take and make passes.

    But he’s never had a problem with passing before. That’s whats so weird about him. He’s normally slow but can take and make a pass and is more physically engaged. It’s almost like (in the words of Shania Twain). His give-a-damn was busted

  127. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer: But he’s never had a problem with passing before.That’s whats so weird about him.He’s normally slow but can take and make a pass and is more physically engaged.It’s almost like (in the words of Shania Twain).His give-a-damn was busted

    That’s how I saw it for sure. Lucic could always move the puck with a strong pass, and he could corral a pass, too.

  128. Mr DeBakey says:

    pts2pndr: I think that lucic will rebound…..He may not be the player we saw in Boston but he is definitely not as bad as last years results would indicate.

    Lucic had 24 5v5 points last season.
    His first season with the Oilers he had 23 [the same Tobias Rieder had with Phoenix].

  129. Bank Shot says:

    Mr DeBakey: Lucic had 24 5v5 points last season.
    His first season with the Oilers he had 23.

    His shooting % was 6.8 last season. His career average is 13.7.

    Just like RNH and Khaira are probably due for a downward correction in goals, Lucic should rebound.

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: But he’s never had a problem with passing before.That’s whats so weird about him.He’s normally slow but can take and make a pass and is more physically engaged.It’s almost like (in the words of Shania Twain).His give-a-damn was busted

    The constant face of anguish and scowl lead me to believe that his give-a-damn level was still high.

  131. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide: That’s how I saw it for sure. Lucic could always move the puck with a strong pass, and he could corral a pass, too.

    That’s why I’d rather keep him than trade him for another bad contract. Is he going to help our team speed? Heck no. Do I think he will be bought out with next CBA talk. Yes. Do I think he will be a more effective player next year. Yes. Most players deteriorate in speed. Taking and making a pass should not fall apart within a year. That sounds like a player that’s playing throughout the injuries and confidence is shot.

  132. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer: That’s why I’d rather keep him than trade him for another bad contract.Is he going to help our team speed? Heck no.Do I think he will be bought out with next CBA talk.Yes. Do I think he will be a more effective player next year.Yes.Most players deteriorate in speed.Taking and making a pass should not fall apart within a year.That sounds like a player that’s playing throughout the injuries and confidence is shot.

    When your legs go, you lose your time and space, the time and space he was used to make passes and plays. Without the time and space his legs no longer provide, it means he loses his hands also, because when the legs get slower, the hands have to get faster just to “stand still”

  133. Lowetide says:

    leadfarmer: That’s why I’d rather keep him than trade him for another bad contract.Is he going to help our team speed? Heck no.Do I think he will be bought out with next CBA talk.Yes. Do I think he will be a more effective player next year.Yes.Most players deteriorate in speed.Taking and making a pass should not fall apart within a year.That sounds like a player that’s playing throughout the injuries and confidence is shot.

    Well, I think trading him gets you out from under a contract that could put a denver boot on several McDavid seasons. He needs to be at least somewhat productive (say a $4 million player) because you can’t buy out that contract.

  134. Younger Oil says:

    The big thing about Lucic is that the play died on his stick shift after shift after shift. Usually when good players are in a slump they are still doing good things, but Lucic was a liability at the best of times, and below replacement level at the worst of times after December. That’s not something that usually comes back, from what I’ve seen.

  135. Slocanoil says:

    Hi LT,
    FYI, had to log in to read past comment 87. On an iPad.
    Almost never comment but read every word everyday, thanks for giving an ex edmontonian a place to get his oilers fix.

  136. bendelson says:

    godot10: When your legs go, you lose your time and space, the time and space he was used to make passes and plays.Without the time and space his legs no longer provide, it means he loses his hands also, because when the legs get slower, the hands have to get faster just to “stand still”

    While I don’t disagree with anything you are suggesting per se, if you were to replace ‘legs’ with ‘hands’, and ‘hands’ with ‘legs’, your post remains largely agreeable.

  137. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: When your legs go, you lose your time and space, the time and space he was used to make passes and plays.Without the time and space his legs no longer provide, it means he loses his hands also, because when the legs get slower, the hands have to get faster just to “stand still”

    I’m not buying this. He’s always been slow and last year he couldn’t make or take passes, even with time and space.

  138. matt says:

    Wonder Llama: I will follow this thread just to see Brule’s WOWY’s with Bono.

    *applause*

  139. knighttown says:

    Crazy Pedestrian: In theory, mirroring their PPs makes sense. But unfortunately, I don’t know if it would be that easy. Now I’m no hockey expert and could be way off base, but to me the reason that the right shot one timers front the left point or half wall work so well is because most goalies (being right handed) catch left, so they can’t reposition their right arm/blocker fast enough to block the shot with extra weight of the goalie stick. Now in theory, that would make right catching goalies more vulnerable to the proposed mirrored PP.

    Don’t know if anyone would be able to come up with some magic stats that could prove/disprove this wacky theory of mine.

    It’s a good theory. The first time I posted this I did ask for reasons why you don’t see mirrored PP’s built around LH shots.

    I can’t think of 4 RH shots famous for staying in the Ovie spot; Ovie, Laine, Stamkos and Seguin.

    The only LH forward I can sort of picture is Mike Hoffman and there are way more LH forwards.

    The glove theory is an interesting one but my guess is that it gives teams too much credit for being data driven. I don’t expect most NHL teams have stats that say goalies moving from R to L have SV% 14% higher than goalies moving L to R.

  140. who says:

    Lowetide: That’s how I saw it for sure. Lucic could always move the puck with a strong pass, and he could corral a pass, too.

    Not since he’s been an Oiler.
    He wasn’t any better his first year. He just banged in a few more goals on the powerplay.

  141. who says:

    godot10: When your legs go, you lose your time and space, the time and space he was used to make passes and plays.Without the time and space his legs no longer provide, it means he loses his hands also, because when the legs get slower, the hands have to get faster just to “stand still”

    That’s a good description of what happens to players as they age.
    I would also add that as you get older you expend so much energy just keeping up that your brain and nervous system has nothing left to do the things that once seemed easy. Like stick handling or passing.
    At least that’s been my experience .

  142. T0ML says:

    Same, I havent heard this before either…

    meanashell11: First I have heard of this. Back story?

    If this is correct, it explains a lot. I never subscribed to him asking to be moved but if this is true then maybe.

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    meanashell11: First I have heard of this. Back story?

    If this is correct, it explains a lot. I never subscribed to him asking to be moved but if this is true then maybe.

    I had heard this a few months ago from a very trust connection in Edmonton which is why I’ve mentioned his “personal issues’ a number of times.

  144. DocFan says:

    I’ve heard a few rumblings about personal issues with Lucic too, but it was a friend of a friend of a friend…

    How about Lucic + Klef for Parayko+Berglund?

    This would close the circle on the Stauffer texts a few weeks ago and Strickland’s texts today.

  145. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    godot10,

    100% my thoughts on Lucic. I recognize my shinny game in his NHL game.

    This is not a good thing.

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