School’s Out

As the Edmonton Oilers arrive at the doors of free agency July 1, I am generally pleased with how things have rolled out so far this offseason. Peter Chiarelli kept his powder dry right to the edge of free agency, can he continue? The draft went well, the prospects have progressed, there should be some free-agent bargains by July 6-10. It’s a different summer, but that’s not a bad thing.

Complete highlights here.

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FREE AGENT WINGERS

These names have been reported (Jason Gregor had Comeau yesterday afternoon, as did Adrian Dater, don’t know who was first) and I threw Jesse Puljujarvi in for fun. I’m a big fan of adding players in their mid-20s, so Rieder and Czarnik are my picks from this group. Matt Calvert (not included here) is also a strong option.

PROJECTED ROSTER

  • My nominees for penalty killers: Connor McDavid, Jujhar Khaira, Tobias Rieder, Leon Draisaitl, Zack Kassian, Nuge. Some sweet day 97 and 29 won’t PK, giving them more torque for the shift after the penalty kill, but the bottom six forwards need help.
  • I was looking around for free agent scorers on the wing after adding Rieder, but Kailer Yamamoto has a strong chance to make it and his bonus numbers are minimal.
  • I haven’t added Evan Bouchard to the mix. Yet.

Oilers management has to be pleased with the performance of feature kids from the last two draft classes. Kailer Yamamoto was the offensive star, with Evan Bouchard displaying calm feet and scoring with a howitzer. Kirill Maksimov is the best sniper in the system, he’s showing all the signs of being a draft steal from 2017. Stuart Skinner performed well, the big man will need a strong training camp in order to move up the depth chart (he could start in the WHL, ECHL or play in the AHL next season). Ryan McLeod impressed, George McPhee impressed (Pronman liked him before his draft day). We’ll see you in September, men. I couldn’t make the game, but Klak came through with an outstanding complete player summary.

  • Boxcars: 35gp, 4-4-8
  • Corsi for 5×5: 48.53
  • Corsi Rel 5×5: -3.55
  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.14
  • 5×4 points per 60: nil

Koekkoek is a bigger defenseman and a fabulous skater, with some offensive ability. His numbers since turning pro don’t suggest a difference maker in terms of scoring but he’s an attractive asset at age 24.

Strickland went on to say that it would probably be after July 1, when a considerable bonus will have been paid out by Edmonton. I wonder if the Oilers are going to get much relief (cap) from a deal, seems to me we’re looking at retaining dollars or taking on a contract similar in scope. Someone suggested Patrik Berglund yesterday, that’s an interesting idea. For me, the rule that says a general manager is more likely to be stubborn on his own recruits applies here.

Don’t discount a ‘Laredo’ option, something out of left field. Kovar would represent something similar to signing Mikko Koskinen.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun morning as we kickstart the long weekend together. TSN1260, beginning at 10:

  • Steve Lansky, BigMouthSports. If Tavares chooses Toronto, does the rest of Canada separate?
  • Paul Almeida, SSE. World Cup on to the next phase and it’s insane!
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Free agency, trades, Tavares, the eve of crazy.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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196 Responses to "School’s Out"

  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    I watched the highlights last night and they were great:

    – Yamamoto looked extremely skilled – he is our top prospect mind you so that should be expected

    – very nice passing play among McLeon, Yamamoto and Bouchard

    – Bouchard with a bomb – could the fans have been wanting anything else

    – Skinner with a period shutout.

    – Maksimov with a couple including a great snipe – what a shooter.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    I insist that Brad Malone and Keegan Lowe cannot be on the opening 23 – if that’s the case, its a summer fail for Chiarelli.

    An additional 4C/13-14F should be easy enough to add so that Brad Malone isn’t on the roster.

    I’m fine with Keegan Lowe in the organization, but we need 2-3 d-men between him and the NHL – he should be the AHL veteran mentor in Bakersfield, just like last year. We need to find the Auvitu replacement and Dylan DeMelo is the guy.

  3. godot10 says:

    //… but the bottom six forwards need help//

    Surely, you jest. Why do the bottom six forwards need help? They are some of the highest paid bottom six forwards in the league.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    Here is hoping that Mr. Maksimov can continue to improve his skating and his overall game because this NHL team hasn’t had a forward that can shoot the puck like that since Jason Arnott.

    Krill may never make it but, if he does, he’s going to score some goals.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    Why would the Oilers acquire another left shot D in Slater Koekkoek – would he even make the team?

  6. LadiesloveSmid says:

    -6.03 CF% at 39 means Jason Chimera is 100% going to be an oiler. Caggiula will eat up his minutes when McLellan finds the skill has dried up. Then Klefbom gone because Bouchard will emerge, then Draisaitl traded next June for Michael Dal Colle.

  7. N64 says:

    Obvious prediction:

    In 23 minutes this afternoon Tavares signs, Subban moves again and Chia moves RNH for a 2nd pairing RD.

    #happyanniversary

  8. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I insist that Brad Malone and Keegan Lowe cannot be on the opening 23 – if that’s the case, its a summer fail for Chiarelli.

    An additional 4C/13-14F should be easy enough to add so that Brad Malone isn’t on the roster.

    I’m fine with Keegan Lowe in the organization, but we need 2-3 d-men between him and the NHL – he should be the AHL veteran mentor in Bakersfield, just like last year. We need to find the Auvitu replacement and Dylan DeMelo is the guy.

    The cap is tight. Lowe and Malone would be pressbox players only. The real subs would be in Bakersfield.

  9. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – LT: I see what you did there: LT says: “someone suggested Patrik Berglund yesterday, that’s an interesting idea. ”

    – Yesterday LT said:

    LOWETIDE says:
    June 28, 2018 at 1:07 pm
    I’ll guess Lucic to St. Louis for Patrik Berglund. I was on the Boston train but this deal makes more sense.

    (Quote) (Reply)

    – In my business that’s called talking up your own book: Well played LT!

  10. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Someone on LT’s show mentioned STL and you could see LT’s train of thought go there, then put his idea in the comment section after.

  11. Jaxon says:

    I thought they should have signed Comeau in 2015. It will be tense while waiting on a Lucic trade. If that happens, we may see a bigger free agent signing, otherwise, it will probably be a couple signings under $1.75M. Comeau seems more likely at this stage than Reider (cheaper) unless they move out some cap. Still hoping that we see a Tristen Nielsen or Pavel Gogolev signing or PTO before training camp. Would also like to see them take a chance on RHD Dylan Demelo. His 5-on-5 Pts / 60 in very protected minutes have been very good the past two seasons.

  12. Clarkenstein says:

    1. Who’s gonna win the draw on PP?
    2. Who’s gonna win the draw on PK?

  13. npanciroli says:

    Clarkenstein,

    Drai and Khaira probably.

  14. TO10801 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I insist that Brad Malone and Keegan Lowe cannot be on the opening 23 – if that’s the case, its a summer fail for Chiarelli.

    An additional 4C/13-14F should be easy enough to add so that Brad Malone isn’t on the roster.

    I’m fine with Keegan Lowe in the organization, but we need 2-3 d-men between him and the NHL – he should be the AHL veteran mentor in Bakersfield, just like last year. We need to find the Auvitu replacement and Dylan DeMelo is the guy.

    OP I agree with the majority of your points, however I do find this one somewhat confusing. Personally, I don’t see the harm in having Brad Malone and Keegan Lowe sit in the pressbox, as long as your first callups are getting tons of playing time in Bakersfield.

    For Example, say that Yamamoto is not on the opening day lineup. I’m okay with Malone on the opening 23, as long as Yamamoto gets the call before we decide to put Malone in.

    So is your concern that we won’t necessarily have time to make a callup every time, and thus malone will get some games or is it that you do not have confidence that we will have good enough players to be called up from Bakersfield. If its the latter I would tend to agree with you with respect to the forwards. We will have exactly zero forwards who can be a reliable callup, especially with Yamamoto likely to make the opening roster. I have less of an issue with Lowe as 7D since Bear and Jones will be available if need be.

  15. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Clarkenstein:
    1. Who’s gonna win the draw on PP?
    2. Who’s gonna win the draw on PK?

    3. Who’s gonna tell you things aren’t so great?

  16. Andy Dufresne says:

    If some how, all of these rumored things happened, Id be one happy guy

    1) Blake Comeau 15-15-30 RW at $2million
    .
    2) Tobias Reider 15-15-30 LW at $2million
    .
    3) Jan Kovar 15-15-30 RW at $1.5million ( consistent 60 pt player in the KHL, who raises his game in playoffs)
    .
    4) Slater Koekoek 20pt LHD with offensive upside. Good 7th D $1million AVV but will cost a pick or prospect
    .
    5) Trade Milan Lucic (even for Patick Burglund ) Berglund shy on offense. Big two-way center with 20-10-30 being reasonable expectation. On a bad contract 4 more years at $3.85. But more than $2million in savings.

    This is all completely doable within our cap space.

    Pros: This balances out our roster alot without giving up core assets. This pushes ALL of our prospects back to the AHL where they ALL belong for one more year. Allows us to dress a ZERO rookie lineup so as to compete for a playoff spot immediately.

    Cons: you lose Lucic points production. But may be able to make up for it through more balanced scoring throughout the lineup.

  17. leadfarmer says:

    godot10:
    //… but the bottom six forwards need help//

    Surely, you jest.Why do the bottom six forwards need help?They are some of the highest paid bottom six forwards in the league.

    Sometimes throwing money at a problem is not the solution

  18. cowboy bill says:

    I don’t mind Comeau , not so sure about Chimera , Brodziak would be a better option IMO . Younger RHC , good on PK .

    Reider would be great . But might be over Chairelli’s budget . Comeau would be cost effective .

    Davidson for seventh D , maybe DeMelo , maybe trade Momtoya for Koekkoek ..

    So If it’s Comeau , Brodziak & Davidson that’s OK .

  19. Andy Dufresne says:

    If some how, all of these rumored things happened, Id be one happy guy

    1) Blake Comeau 15-15-30 RW at $2million
    .
    2) Tobias Reider 15-15-30 LW at $2million
    .
    3) Slater Koekoek 20pt LHD with offensive upside. Good 7th D $1million AVV but will cost a pick or prospect
    .
    4) Trade Milan Lucic (even for Patick Burglund ) Berglund shy on offense. Big two-way center with 20-10-30 being reasonable expectation. On a bad contract 4 more years at $3.85. But more than $2million in savings.

    This is all completely doable within our cap space.

    Pros: This balances out our roster alot without giving up core assets. This pushes ALL of our prospects back to the AHL where they ALL belong for one more year. Allows us to dress a ZERO rookie lineup so as to compete for a playoff spot immediately.

    Cons: you lose Lucic points production. But may be able to make up for it through more balanced scoring throughout the lineup.

  20. Bank Shot says:

    TO10801: OP I agree with the majority of your points, however I do find this one somewhat confusing. Personally, I don’t see the harm in having Brad Malone and Keegan Lowe sit in the pressbox, as long as your first callups are getting tons of playing time in Bakersfield.

    If Lowe is the Oilers 7th defencemen this season that might be enough to get me to stop cheering for this loser franchise.

  21. T0ML says:

    https://twitter.com/SportsnetSpec/status/1012720714623770624

    Mark Spector

    Verified account

    @SportsnetSpec
    4m4 minutes ago
    More
    UFA Centre Kyle Brodziak will take his list down to 3 teams today. Very good chance he signs with hometown Oilers, who drafted him back in ‘03.
    The 7th rd pick has played 847 NHL games.

    Kyle might be back…

  22. frjohnk says:

    If Oilers were to going to bridge Nurse, it will have happened before July 1st, so they know how much room they have to sign FA’s.

    So thats why I believe Nurse is looking for a long term contract,and in that case, I dont think the Oilers sign anybody, other than guys at league minimum or close to it.

    3 top 6 forwards and after that….we have alot of hope.

  23. Acumen says:

    Just curious, what are Kassian’s numbers with McDavid like historically? For all the talk of him being way too expensive for the 4th line, everyone seems to just pencil him in there. Maybe he’s a good candidate to bring the crazy with Connor and Nuge. It’s not like he’s lacking in speed or finishing, and he can make and take a pass.

  24. Bank Shot says:

    I’ve got time for Brodziak on a one year deal.

  25. TO10801 says:

    Bank Shot: If Lowe is the Oilers 7th defencemen this season that might be enough to get me to stop cheering for this loser franchise.

    why? The way he eats his popcorn is going to somehow influence the on-ice product? He is done developing so you can sit him every night. Your not going to put Bear in the pressbox.

  26. Acumen says:

    T0ML:
    https://twitter.com/SportsnetSpec/status/1012720714623770624

    Mark Spector

    Verified account

    @SportsnetSpec4m4 minutes ago
    More
    UFA Centre Kyle Brodziak will take his list down to 3 teams today. Very good chance he signs with hometown Oilers, who drafted him back in ‘03.
    The 7th rd pick has played 847 NHL games.

    Kyle might be back…

    I’m on board with this and think he would be perfect in the 4C role, but holy crap am I scared about the contract Chia will give him.

  27. Andy Dufresne says:

    T0ML:
    https://twitter.com/SportsnetSpec/status/1012720714623770624

    Mark Spector

    Verified account

    @SportsnetSpec4m4 minutes ago
    More
    UFA Centre Kyle Brodziak will take his list down to 3 teams today. Very good chance he signs with hometown Oilers, who drafted him back in ‘03.
    The 7th rd pick has played 847 NHL games.

    Kyle might be back…

    Brodziak as a 4th line Center at $1million or less?

    How is he in the face of circle?

  28. Durag says:

    Clarkenstein:
    1. Who’s gonna win the draw on PP?
    2. Who’s gonna win the draw on PK?

    What’s Marty Reasoner doing these days?

  29. npanciroli says:

    Comeau and Brodziak are good bets IMO.

    RNH McDavid Rattie
    Lucic Drai JP
    Khaira Strome Comeau
    Caggiula Brodziak Kassian
    Aberg

    Give Yamamoto time in AHL. If you think you are losing Lucic and have more space I would try to get Rieder or Duclair.

  30. DocFan says:

    Just suggested this is yesterday’s post.

    Anyone have time for Lucic + Klef for Parayko + Berglund?

    Would also make sense as Stauffer was talking about Parayko a few weeks ago..

  31. Pink Socks says:

    Andy Dufresne: Brodziak as a 4th line Center at $1million or less?

    How is he in the face of circle?

    48.2%-49.5% range from 2009-10 to 2016-17, but was at 52.1% last year. New faceoff rules may have benefited him, but probably good to consider him a 50/50 type of C.

  32. Durag says:

    npanciroli,

    I would want to add a Vanek to that mix. There is exactly one winger in that group who can be counted on to score, and he’s supposed to be a center.

  33. leadfarmer says:

    DocFan:
    Just suggested this is yesterday’s post.

    Anyone have time for Lucic + Klef for Parayko + Berglund?

    Would also make sense as Stauffer was talking about Parayko a few weeks ago..

    St. Louis would definitely not have the time for that

  34. LadiesloveSmid says:

    T0ML,

    Just tripled his production from 2 seasons prior. 34 now. Hope he’d come dirt cheap

  35. leadfarmer says:

    Bouchard playing on offense. Ricki is not going to like this

  36. Pink Socks says:

    Durag: What’s Marty Reasoner doing these days?

    Taking draws with Jerred Smithson

  37. Richard S.S. says:

    leadfarmer,

    BUT, sometimes throwing money at a problem is the only possible solution.

  38. Pink Socks says:

    DocFan:
    Just suggested this is yesterday’s post.

    Anyone have time for Lucic + Klef for Parayko + Berglund?

    Would also make sense as Stauffer was talking about Parayko a few weeks ago..

    Parayko>Klef
    Berglund>Lucic

    I’d have time, but the Blues hang up on PC.

  39. frjohnk says:

    Will be interesting to see if Brodziak is signed by the Oilers and at what kind of cap hit.

    After scoring 20 points in 14-15, he signed a 1 year deal at $950k
    After scoring 11 points in 15-16, he signed a 2 year deal at $950k per year.

    He scored 33 points last year.
    Im thinking he gets closer to Mark Letestu money when he signed here than $1M.

  40. Pink Socks says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Why would the Oilers acquire another left shot D in Slater Koekkoek – would he even make the team?

    Not with Klefbom, Nurse, Sekera, and Russell on the roster. That one doesn’t make much sense, unless one of these 4 are not on the roster in a few days.

  41. dustrock says:

    I love Brodziak but he’s 34.

    Question: why do the Oilers have to wait for July 1st to trade Looch?

    Is there something in the CBA?

    Why can’t they just say they’ll pay the bonus money, or alternatively send $3.5m with Lucic?

  42. A'bunadh says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I insist that Brad Malone and Keegan Lowe cannot be on the opening 23 – if that’s the case, its a summer fail for Chiarelli.

    An additional 4C/13-14F should be easy enough to add so that Brad Malone isn’t on the roster.

    I’m fine with Keegan Lowe in the organization, but we need 2-3 d-men between him and the NHL – he should be the AHL veteran mentor in Bakersfield, just like last year. We need to find the Auvitu replacement and Dylan DeMelo is the guy.

    Why is having Lowe and Malone in the pressbox opening night such a big deal? Seems pretty inconsequential to me.

  43. flea says:

    Pink Socks: Parayko>Klef
    Berglund>Lucic

    I’d have time, but the Blues hang up on PC.

    If the Oilers added JP there might be a deal.

    I’m headed to the backcountry for the weekend, looking forward to seeing all the moves when I get out of the bush. Fully expecting the Lucic deal, if it goes down, to be really underwhelming. I think a bad contract is coming back that is shorter in duration. The Oilers will spin it that the player coming back is better than their recent stats suggest.

  44. frjohnk says:

    dustrock: Question: why do the Oilers have to wait for July 1st to trade Looch?

    Is there something in the CBA?

    Why can’t they just say they’ll pay the bonus money, or alternatively send $3.5m with Lucic?

    Lucic is paid a bonus of $3.5M on July 1st. Which means if traded, lets say to Arizona, Arizona then has to pay him $22.5M over the rest of his contract. Which is 5 more years. Lucic at $4.5M per year over the next 5 years might be more digestible for some teams out there.

  45. Bank Shot says:

    TO10801: why? The way he eats his popcorn is going to somehow influence the on-ice product? He is done developing so you can sit him every night. Your not going to put Bear in the pressbox.

    Because he’s not an NHLer. At this point in the game the Oilers shouldn’t have AHLers in the NHL just because their dad is a swell guy.

  46. T0ML says:

    Bank Shot,

    Who on the current roster would you prefer to be there? I would personally rather have Lowe sitting doing jack all in a press box than Bear or Jones et. al.

  47. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Can Strome be traded now that he’s been qualified, or do they have to sign him first?

    – You could live with your 3c/4c as Kharia and Brodziak with Cooper maybe coming up.

    – That’s $2MM of savings: give CmD, RNH and Drai more time as centre on other lines as well

    – Trade Kassian, and his replacement saves you another $1MM

  48. Bank Shot says:

    T0ML:
    Bank Shot,

    Who on the current roster would you prefer to be there?I would personally rather have Lowe sitting doing jack all in a press box than Bear or Jones et. al.

    They need to hire someone. They just bought out Gryba. Need to replace him with an NHL defenceman.

  49. LadiesloveSmid says:

    frjohnk,

    950K followed by 950K hmm.

    Let me throw this in the Chiarelli Contract Pricer 5000.

    34 years old, from Alberta, 46P in 3 seasons before last, 6 foot 2… beep boop beep boop…..DING

    Best I can offer you Kyle is $3.5M per over 4 years, full NMC moves to partial in year 4

  50. dustrock says:

    frjohnk: Lucic is paid a bonus of $3.5M on July 1st.Which means if traded, lets say to Arizona, Arizona then has to pay him $22.5M over the rest of his contract. Which is5 more years.Lucic at $4.5M per year over the next 5 years might be more digestible for some teams out there.

    No I get that. I just want to know if they could send $3.5m cash as part of a trade to.cover the signing bonus before July 1st.

  51. Wonder Llama says:

    LadiesloveSmid: 3. Who’s gonna tell you things aren’t so great?

    You can’t go on thinking nothing’s wrong…

  52. frjohnk says:

    dustrock: No I get that. I just want to know if they could send $3.5m cash as part of a trade to.cover the signing bonus before July 1st.

    No, they can only retain and it would have to be every year.

    If the Oilers retained $1M for this year, it would also be $1M for each of the next 4 years after.

  53. TO10801 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    frjohnk,

    950K followed by 950K hmm.

    Let me throw this in the Chiarelli Contract Pricer 5000.

    34 years old, from Alberta, 46P in 3 seasons before last, 6 foot 2… beep boop beep boop…..DING

    Best I can offer you Kyle is $3.5M per over 4 years, full NMC moves to partial in year 4

    Well at least make sure there is a 1.75M signing bonus on July 1st after year 3 so we can send him to Arizona

  54. LadiesloveSmid says:

    TO10801: Well at least make sure there is a 1.75M signing bonus on July 1st after year 3 so we can send him to Arizona

    Have to trade Larsson next June to make cap room

  55. T0ML says:

    Bank Shot,

    I guess what im getting at is …. With everything else to be upset with, justifiably, why quit on the team because of the 7th DMan who probably wont play regardless (unless Bear is snowed in, in Bakersfield), and a 14th forward you plan to use rarely… especially when the preference I see around here is to just run McDavid / Drai ~45 min a night, leaving maybe 15 max for the other two lines combined….seems to be quite a petty hill to die on.

  56. LMHF#1 says:

    dustrock:
    I love Brodziak but he’s 34.

    Question: why do the Oilers have to wait for July 1st to trade Looch?

    Is there something in the CBA?

    Why can’t they just say they’ll pay the bonus money, or alternatively send $3.5m with Lucic?

    One of the things that annoys me most about the new CBA is the lack of flexibility that everyone involved has.

    For instance – the way to structure McDavid’s deal in a more flexible situation should have been to be able to offer him a chunk of the franchise rather than salary. Give him a % and watch the value shoot up over time. That’s the kind of thing that franchise players should be getting instead of this narrow, restrictive set of options the NHL and players have limited themselves to.

    And I still don’t get why anyone ever agreed to a max year restriction, 50 contract limit, the inability to trade cap space….a whole bunch of other things. It doesn’t add up to a good product.

  57. meanashell11 says:

    To go back to the last thread, there were comments that Lucic’s family had moved out last year. I never heard that before. What is the background on that?

  58. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Why would the Oilers acquire another left shot D in Slater Koekkoek – would he even make the team?

    The team may have concerns about Klef being injury prone,or he may be trade bait. There may be some trepidation that Sekera does not fully recover from the knee injury. It is not a bad idea to cover your ass just in case.

  59. Woogie63 says:

    Stay away from July 1st UFA … shop on July 15 for aging vets on their last deal.

    Internal improvement from

    1A/B Goalies
    Healthy Defense

    More goals will come from

    Driasaitl on the PP + 5 goals
    RNH +10-15 goals
    Lucic +7 goals
    Puljarjavi +7 goals
    Klefbom +5 goals

  60. Oilman99 says:

    frjohnk:
    Will be interesting to see if Brodziak is signed by the Oilers and at what kind of cap hit.

    After scoring 20 points in 14-15, he signed a 1 year deal at $950k
    After scoring 11 points in 15-16, he signed a 2 year deal at $950k per year.

    He scored 33 points last year.
    Im thinking he gets closer to Mark Letestu money when he signed here than $1M.

    Not worth the gamble at that price, he is getting older,not younger.

  61. Oilman99 says:

    Bank Shot:
    I’ve got time for Brodziak on a one year deal.

    Not good enough, better off taking Latestue back.

  62. Oilman99 says:

    There are some pretty good twenty something ufa’s out there, why not sign three or four of them and see if one of them can become a top six prospect in the Bake.

  63. bendelson says:

    Hey gang!

    Not to derail the stimulating Kyle Brodziak talk, but…

    Summer is here and I’m taking music suggestions for the lazy days ahead. What are you listening to people?

    My current album of choice is the new Parquet Courts gem, “Wide Awake”. What a fantastic album from a favourite band of mine…

    Sheps?
    Stevezie?
    Melvis?

    Anybody?

  64. Oilman99 says:

    dustrock:
    I love Brodziak but he’s 34.

    Question: why do the Oilers have to wait for July 1st to trade Looch?

    Is there something in the CBA?

    Why can’t they just say they’ll pay the bonus money, or alternatively send $3.5m with Lucic?

    Who ever takes him would have to claim the $3.5m even though they didn’t pay it because he is their property.

  65. npanciroli says:

    bendelson,

    CHVRCHES
    Editors
    Twin Shadow (quickly skimmed seemed good)
    Florence + the Machine (haven’t listened yet)

    some older ones I am still listening to
    Everything Everything
    Wild Beasts
    San Fermin

  66. vangolf says:

    bendelson:
    Hey gang!

    Not to derail the stimulating Kyle Brodziak talk, but…

    Summer is here and I’m taking music suggestions for the lazy days ahead.What are you listening to people?

    My current album of choice is the new Parquet Courts gem, “Wide Awake”.What a fantastic album from a favourite band of mine…

    Sheps?
    Stevezie?
    Melvis?

    Anybody?

    Lake Street Dive is awesome and fun. The lead singer has pipes and is very dreamy!

    I’m also a massive Gaslight Anthem fan and it is the 10 year anniversary of their break-through, cult following album 59 Sound. They just released the demo album for it. Pick it and the original up!

  67. Pre-Mix says:

    Hey gang!

    Not to derail the stimulating Kyle Brodziak talk, but…

    Summer is here and I’m taking music suggestions for the lazy days ahead. What are you listening to people?

    My current album of choice is the new Parquet Courts gem, “Wide Awake”. What a fantastic album from a favourite band of mine…

    Sheps?
    Stevezie?
    Melvis?

    Anybody?

    Clutch’s Pure Rock Fury has been getting A LOT of air time again recently and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

  68. Bank Shot says:

    T0ML:
    Bank Shot,

    I guess what im getting at is …. With everything else to be upset with, justifiably, why quit on the team because of the 7th DMan who probably wont play regardless (unless Bear is snowed in, in Bakersfield), and a 14th forward you plan to use rarely… especially when the preference I see around here is to just run McDavid / Drai ~45 min a night, leaving maybe 15 max for the other two lines combined….seems to be quite a petty hill to die on.

    Keegan Lowe spending the whole year in the NHL would highlight that nothing has changed with this org. That’s why. If an org prioritizes getting Lowe’s son some NHL experience over winning hockey games they aren’t likely to ever win anything. That’s why it would be a hill to die on.

    Hopefully they actually go out and get a real NHL defenceman or two and show they are different than always.

  69. stephen sheps says:

    bendelson:
    Hey gang!

    Not to derail the stimulating Kyle Brodziak talk, but…

    Summer is here and I’m taking music suggestions for the lazy days ahead.What are you listening to people?

    My current album of choice is the new Parquet Courts gem, “Wide Awake”.What a fantastic album from a favourite band of mine…

    Sheps?
    Stevezie?
    Melvis?

    Anybody?

    Ok Bendelson, you want it, you got it; my working best of 2018 at the halfway point, which is of course subject to change by the time my year end list comes out. As per usual, this is going to be all over the genre map, but I think that’s ok. And I agree that Parquet Courts record is great – took me a minute to get past the production (I really dislike the way Danger Mouse changes the dynamic of bands), but the songs are strong enough to overcome his sound/style, especially what he does to drums.

    20 – Courtney Barnett: Tell Me How You Really Feel
    19 – Jay Rock: Redemption
    18 – Kacey Musgraves: Golden Hour
    17 – Bahamas: Earth Tones
    16 – Ty Seagall: Freedom’s Goblin
    15 – Fire Next Time: Knives (yes they’re from Edmonton, yes they’re my friends, but this album is just so damn good)
    14 – Half Waif: Lavender
    13 – Jon Hopkins: Singularity
    12 – Julian Casablancas & the Voidz: Virtue
    11 – John Prine: The Tree of Forgiveness
    10 – Cardi B: Invasion of Privacy
    9 – Preoccupations: New Material
    8 – Father John Misty: God’s Favourite Customer
    7 – J. Cole: KOD
    6 – Hot Snakes: Jericho Sirens
    5 – U.S. Girls: In a Poem Unlimited
    4 – Arctic Monkeys: Tranquility Base Hotel & Casino
    3 – Ought: Room Inside the World
    2 – Beach House: 7
    1 – Iceage: Beyondless

  70. geowal says:

    Bank Shot: Keegan Lowe spending the whole year in the NHL would highlight that nothing has changed with this org. That’s why. If an org prioritizes getting Lowe’s son some NHL experience over winning hockey games they aren’t likely to ever win anything. That’s why it would be a hill to die on.

    Hopefully they actually go out and get a real NHL defenceman or two and show they are different than always.

    Why would a “real” NHL defenseman want to sign to be 7D? That position needs to cost less than 750k in this org. If his name was Keegan Wilbury would you still object?

  71. dustrock says:

    stephen sheps,

    Beach House is fantastic summer music.

    And the Voidz album is something else. Never heard anything like it and it’s immensely enjoyable.

    Courtney Barnett I had high hopes for but not even close to her last album.

    Other good summer music I will always recommend Cut Copy.

  72. stephen sheps says:

    dustrock: the Voidz album is something else. Never heard anything like it and it’s immensely enjoyable.

    I know, right?? Such a bizarre yet great record. They were just in Toronto for two shows last weekend. Sadly I couldn’t get a ticket for the Friday show and was already seeing Iceage on Saturday. It’s a bummer, but the Iceage show was more than worth it.

    As to Courtney Barnett, yes it isn’t as good as her debut, but Nameless, Faceless has Kim and Kelly Deal singing backup on it, and that alone elevates it for me.

    (On the subject of the Deals, the new Breeders record that came out a couple months ago isn’t half bad, either…)

  73. Jethro Tull says:

    bendelson:
    Hey gang!

    Not to derail the stimulating Kyle Brodziak talk, but…

    Summer is here and I’m taking music suggestions for the lazy days ahead.What are you listening to people?

    My current album of choice is the new Parquet Courts gem, “Wide Awake”.What a fantastic album from a favourite band of mine…

    Sheps?
    Stevezie?
    Melvis?

    Anybody?

    New Gorillaz drops today….and it is gooooood……

  74. Alpine says:

    bendelson,

    I’ll throw in my 2018 list here. Mostly electronic, hip hop, with some indie rock in sprinkled in. I’ve been kinda slacking on hearing indie and other genres so far.

    DJ Koze – Knock Knock
    Jon Hopkins – Singularity
    Freddie Gibbs – Freddie
    Kanye/Kid Cudi – Kids See Ghosts
    Paul White – Rejuvenate
    Soccer Mommy – Clean
    Snail Mail – Lush
    Beach House – 7
    Leon Vynehall – Nothing is Still
    Cadence Weapon – Candence Weapon
    JPEGMAFIA – Veteran
    Saba – Care For Me
    US Girls – In a Poem Unlimited

  75. Jethro Tull says:

    Also, The Deep South is banging.

  76. Jethro Tull says:

    Pre-Mix:
    Hey gang!

    Not to derail the stimulating Kyle Brodziak talk, but…

    Summer is here and I’m taking music suggestions for the lazy days ahead. What are you listening to people?

    My current album of choice is the new Parquet Courts gem, “Wide Awake”. What a fantastic album from a favourite band of mine…

    Sheps?
    Stevezie?
    Melvis?

    Anybody?

    Clutch’s Pure Rock Fury has been getting A LOT of air time again recently and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

    Wife’s an ex-tree planter. I listened to a LOT of Clutch during courting.

  77. danny says:

    bendelson:
    My current album of choice is the new Parquet Courts gem, “Wide Awake”.What a fantastic album from a favourite band of mine…

    Not a fan of the rock/punk vocal style myself, but the sound is very similar to an older album that I cut my indie teeth on and remains an all-time fav…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Da7P1bkuI

    note: this album is 2005… yes im old

  78. Bank Shot says:

    geowal: Why would a “real” NHL defenseman want to sign to be 7D? That position needs to cost less than 750k in this org. If his name was Keegan Wilbury would you still object?

    If the 7th defenceman doesn’t matter they might as well sign me to play the role.

    Would you object to that?

  79. dustrock says:

    Man I must be getting old but I cannot understand the hype for Snail Mail. Much better options out there IMHO.

    Oh hey if you want old fun garage rock style check out Bat Fangs. “Wolfbite” is one of the songs of the year for me

  80. bendelson says:

    Thanks for the input everyone – very impressive. Please, keep them coming!

    Sheps: I hear what you are saying about Danger Mouse’s influence on “Wide Awake!”… I hesitated upon first listen, then quickly overcame any reservations I may have had. And what’s with the bass player – a huge step forward, no?

    If you would, please remind me where you ranked “Human Performance” – their masterpiece (IMO) back in 2016. It simply HAD to make your year end list!

  81. geowal says:

    Bank Shot: If the 7th defenceman doesn’t matter they might as well sign me to play the role.

    Would you object to that?

    Who said it doesn’t matter? I think Lowe is fine to play a dozen or so games as a backup plan, expecting Bear to leapfrog. If another, better D is there for the same price at one year, by all means sign him. I’m asking if you’re able to look past his name. I don’t think he’s a bad option. Aiming higher is nice. Might not be possible with the cap constraint.
    It’s hardly fair to bitch about Chia not signing his replacement before July 1st. Who else is LT supposed to put in that box?

  82. bendelson says:

    danny,

    That link isn’t working in my phone (somehow must be WG’s fault).
    You have piqued my curiosity… Artist? Song?

  83. stephen sheps says:

    bendelson: If you would, please remind me where you ranked “Human Performance” – their masterpiece (IMO) back in 2016. It simply HAD to make your year end list!

    It came it at #5 – just went to see what I wrote. I still stand by that ranking 18 months later.

  84. ArmchairGM says:

    Acumen: what are Kassian’s numbers with McDavid like historically?

    Pretty meh. Small sample size, but I like his numbers with Draisaitl much, much better. Among current Oilers players, the ideal top-9 based on WOWY’s is this:

    Nugent-Hopkins – McDavid – Puljujarvi
    Khaira – Draisaitl – Kassian
    Lucic – Strome – Yamamoto

    McDavid WOWY’s: http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8478402

    Draisaitl WOWY’s: http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=y&v=t&playerid=8477934

    Strome WOWY’s: http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=y&v=t&playerid=8476458

    Note: Yamamoto’s shot metrics with McDavid are better than Puljujarvi’s, but JP’s goal metrics are better (61.90 GF%), and in a much larger sample size. I would also be comfortable switching these two as we get a larger data sample to work with.

  85. stephen sheps says:

    bendelson,

    Here’s Danny’s link in working form – at least it should work…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Da7P1bkuI

    if it doesn’t, the band is called “Figurines”, song is “Debate Because It’s Over”, and I definitely see the comparison

  86. Wonder Llama says:

    bendelson:
    Hey gang!

    Not to derail the stimulating Kyle Brodziak talk, but…

    Summer is here and I’m taking music suggestions for the lazy days ahead.What are you listening to people?

    My current album of choice is the new Parquet Courts gem, “Wide Awake”.What a fantastic album from a favourite band of mine…

    Sheps?
    Stevezie?
    Melvis?

    Anybody?

    Not sure about your taste in genres. I lean towards indie rock.

    Some have mentioned Courtney Barnett. An alternative Australian indie rocker is Alex Lahey.

    Japanese Breakfast is nice dream pop.

    Jessie Reyez is a unique new voice.

    The new Manchester Orchestra album “A Black Mile to the Surface” is a real step up in songwriting maturity IMO.

    If you like The National, “Sleep Well Beast” is their best since “Boxer.”

    If you like psychedelic tinged rock a la Tame Impala try Post Animal or the new Pond album.

    The Regrettes are a snappy girl-group punk outfit.

    I’m not normally a big country fan but Tyler Childers has a real solid album called “Purgatory” in the Sturgill Simpson kind of vein, but a bit more straight forward.

    Thundercat released a sort of concept album about getting drunk called, well “Drunk.” It contains another song about his cat Turbo Tron.

    Stephen Shep’s list looks pretty solid to me, too (at least the one’s I’ve heard so far).

  87. ArmchairGM says:

    Andy Dufresne: Brodziak as a 4th line Center at $1million or less?

    How is he in the face of circle?

    52.1% over nearly 1000 faceoffs in 2017-18, 11.9 per game. Usually slightly under 50% career:

    https://puckbase.com/player/kyle-brodziak

  88. bendelson says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Was concerned I completely highjacked the thread…
    Thanks for maintaining focus.

  89. Wonder Llama says:

    Yesterday Nail Yukupov, today Kyle Brodziak.

    At 33 points and $950,000 salary he was #17 in bang for buck production in the entire league, excluding ELC contracts. (VGK Marchessault and Karlsson were 1 and 2 respectively).

    Tomorrow Lennart Petrell.

  90. bendelson says:

    Wonder Llama,

    I also lean towards indie rock…
    I’m not familiar with “Sleep Well Beast” but will definitely give it a listen!

  91. Death By Misadventure says:

    A’bunadh: Why is having Lowe and Malone in the pressbox opening night such a big deal?Seems pretty inconsequential to me.

    Because if Lowe is your 7th Dmen on opening night, it means that he likely plays 50 games during the season. Dmen get hurt a lot. The 7th Dmen on a roster therefore plays a lot.

  92. Wonder Llama says:

    bendelson:
    Wonder Llama,

    I also lean towards indie rock…
    I’m not familiar with “Sleep Well Beast” but will definitely give it a listen!

    The National somehow make being middle class and middle aged seem epic.

  93. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Love the “oilers were missing Matt Hendricks” narrative everywhere

    Hendricks is done!

    Spector saying it on 630

  94. Richard S.S. says:

    Montreal desparately needs a #1 Center, but are unwilling to spend what it takes. Decisions made by the G.M. seem more ownership-driven than practical moves. Years with Carey Price carrying an AHL team to the Playoffs has everyone over-valuing their ability and value. That being said, the Oilers and the Canadiens have had dealings. What price would Ryan Nugent-Hopkins return?

  95. ArmchairGM says:

    T0ML:
    Bank Shot,

    I guess what im getting at is …. With everything else to be upset with, justifiably, why quit on the team because of the 7th DMan who probably wont play regardless (unless Bear is snowed in, in Bakersfield), and a 14th forward you plan to use rarely… especially when the preference I see around here is to just run McDavid / Drai ~45 min a night, leaving maybe 15 max for the other two lines combined….seems to be quite a petty hill to die on.

    Yup.

  96. who says:

    Death By Misadventure: Because if Lowe is your 7th Dmen on opening night, it means that he likely plays 50 games during the season. Dmen get hurt a lot. The 7th Dmen on a roster therefore plays a lot.

    If a defenseman gets hurt you bring up a prospect from Bakersfield. Lowe only gets the odd emergency start. Who else are you gonna get for 650k and and will they be any better than Lowe .
    I can’t believe people can’t understand this.

  97. ArmchairGM says:

    bendelson:
    ArmchairGM,

    Was concerned I completely highjacked the thread…
    Thanks for maintaining focus.

    *grins*

    Just a couple of hours behind, that’s all!

  98. RISTOOOOO SILTANEN!!!! says:

    Pre-Mix:
    Hey gang!

    Not to derail the stimulating Kyle Brodziak talk, but…

    Summer is here and I’m taking music suggestions for the lazy days ahead. What are you listening to people?

    My current album of choice is the new Parquet Courts gem, “Wide Awake”. What a fantastic album from a favourite band of mine…

    Sheps?
    Stevezie?
    Melvis?

    Anybody?

    Clutch’s Pure Rock Fury has been getting A LOT of air time again recently and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

    I’m sooooo out of touch with anything new it’s embarrassing, but I’m glad you asked the question because I always get some good stuff with all the suggestions that come in. By the time I get to stuff, it’s already old. Between desk job, farm job and my current intemperate disposition, new/interesting music search is neglected.

    All I got is Ben Caplan’s “Old Stock”. If your summer includes a klezmer/baritone Hawksley Workman/ with some Tom Waits angst… let ‘er rip potato chip.

  99. Nix says:

    bendelson:
    Wonder Llama,

    I also lean towards indie rock…
    I’m not familiar with “Sleep Well Beast” but will definitely give it a listen!

    Hers some great southern-fried indie blip-rock from Knoxville:
    Royal Bangs = ‘Waking Up Weird’

  100. T0ML says:

    who: If a defenseman gets hurt you bring up a prospect from Bakersfield. Lowe only gets the odd emergency start. Who else are you gonna get for 650k and and will they be any better than Lowe .
    I can’t believe people can’t understand this.

    Well put, couldnt have said my thoughts nearly as well. Thats what i was trying to get at. If the 7th is needed for a long term, you pull up Bear etc…..Lowe gets the start when they cant get a transation in time.

  101. Pre-Mix says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Villians from Queens of the Stone Age was excellent the very first time I listened to it. That hasn’t changed.

  102. Richard S.S. says:

    In a game, 12-6-2 are dressed, with 2-3 not. The extra forward(s)/defenseman only play in case of injury while on the road, as it might be easier to fill the spot at home via an AHL Callup/airlift. First and Second Pair D should play upwards of 48 minutes a game, with third pair giving frequent breathers. 7th D just needs to not to embaress the Team, as there are better options in the AHL. The top two lines need to play upwards of 45 minutes a game, with the bottom six sucking up less than 15. They just need to not embarrass the Team.

  103. leadfarmer says:

    Im excited to see some of these contracts to be given out in the next few days.
    Tavares 11-12 mil ?
    Doughty 10.5 mil ?
    Things are about to go bonkers!!!
    Maple leafs waiting another year to sign their guys will just make them more expensive

  104. godot10 says:

    bendelson:
    Hey gang!

    Not to derail the stimulating Kyle Brodziak talk, but…

    Summer is here and I’m taking music suggestions for the lazy days ahead.What are you listening to people?

    My current album of choice is the new Parquet Courts gem, “Wide Awake”.What a fantastic album from a favourite band of mine…

    Sheps?
    Stevezie?
    Melvis?

    Anybody?

    There is a brand new original Coltrane album out.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: The cap is tight.Lowe and Malone would be pressbox players only.The real subs would be in Bakersfield.

    Doesn’t really work that way when they start in Europe and then a 4-5 game road trip on the east coast.

    I also don’t agree with the premise and the coaching staff and management would use the extra bodies when injuries hit.

  106. godot10 says:

    Death By Misadventure: Because if Lowe is your 7th Dmen on opening night, it means that he likely plays 50 games during the season. Dmen get hurt a lot. The 7th Dmen on a roster therefore plays a lot.

    Your 7th defensemen and 14th forward can be merely pressbox players, with the real substitutes playing in the minors waiting callup if there are injuries.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    Clarkenstein:
    1. Who’s gonna win the draw on PP?
    2. Who’s gonna win the draw on PK?

    Leon Draisait on the PP

    Nuge was close to 50% on the faceoff last year – Khaira as well.

  108. godot10 says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Montreal desparately needs a #1 Center,but are unwilling to spend what it takes.Decisions made by the G.M. seem more ownership-driven than practical moves.Years with Carey Price carrying an AHL team to the Playoffs has everyone over-valuing their ability and value.That being said, the Oilers and the Canadiens have had dealings.What price would Ryan Nugent-Hopkins return?

    Trading Nugent-Hopkins take McDavid from a 150 point player to a 100 point player. Why would one trade the ideal winger for McDavid on a great contract.

  109. VOR says:

    godot10: There is a brand new original Coltrane album out.

    Jordi Savall- Venezia Millenaria

    That is what I am listening to today. Probably not of much interest here.

    Best improvisation off Coltrane I have ever heard was Jordi during a concert of Celtic music.

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    TO10801: OP I agree with the majority of your points, however I do find this one somewhat confusing. Personally, I don’t see the harm in having Brad Malone and Keegan Lowe sit in the pressbox, as long as your first callups are getting tons of playing time in Bakersfield.

    For Example, say that Yamamoto is not on the opening day lineup. I’m okay with Malone on the opening 23, as long as Yamamoto gets the call before we decide to put Malone in.

    So is your concern that we won’t necessarily have time to make a callup every time, and thus malone will get some games or is it that you do not have confidence that we will have good enough players to be called up from Bakersfield. If its the latter I would tend to agree with you with respect to the forwards. We will have exactly zero forwards who can be a reliable callup, especially with Yamamoto likely to make the opening roster. I have less of an issue with Lowe as 7D since Bear and Jones will be available if need be.

    My concern is, if guys like Malone and Lowe break camp with the team, the intent is to use them as injury fill ins and not just as placeholders for guys like Yamamoto.

    I think the org needs to make some cheap signings this year for those roles, put some players in between the roster and these non-NHL players. An Auvitu replacement (Dylan DeMeol) and Brodziack would be very cheap and serve the purpose.

    To your 2nd point, yes, if they are just placeholders then, yes, that is a concern. We start the season in Europe and then immediately to an eastern road trip – a long ways away from Bakersfield.

    At the end of the day, I believe the 21-23rd players on the roster will be there to play.

    As an aside, to your last sentence, a guy like Caleb Jones isn’t an option, not unless he’s showed vast improvement from last season. He struggled as a rookie pro last season – no surprise, however, we need to put some bodies between the NHL lineup and these guy – Eric Gryba would have been on (still baffled).

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    Acumen:
    Just curious, what are Kassian’s numbers with McDavid like historically? For all the talk of him being way too expensive for the 4th line, everyone seems to just pencil him in there. Maybe he’s a good candidate to bring the crazy with Connor and Nuge. It’s not like he’s lacking in speed or finishing, and he can make and take a pass.

    I was against this idea in the past and, given it hasn’t worked out in the small samples when its been tried, I remain against it.

    Why did Kass struggle last year? In my opinion, its because he wasn’t able to bring the aggressive forecheck game on a nightly basis. When Kassian is effective, he’s skating well, getting in on the forecheck, banging bodies and causing turnovers – his game goes from there.

    When Kass gets moved up the lineup, he changes his game and doesn’t play the style that makes him successful. He struggles to play it consistently in the bottom six even.

    Its tough to play that style night in and night out but, if he doesn’t, he loses value.

  112. Profit says:

    Slightly OT but it was referenced a couple of days ago in a thread. And I’m feeling like Friday afternoon before the Canada Day long weekend is a good one to do some musing.

    What if the Oilers just decide to go 9F 6D 2G?

    I feel like with the gradual, but incremental decline in average age of an NHL player (allow players to play more per game, by virtue of being younger) coupled with the seemingly successful model (VGK not withstanding) of acquiring 4 or 5 elite players and surrounding them with a decent supporting cast, it would make more sense to play your elite players more. With fewer roster spots needing higher salary options it would also have the impact of increasing the potential quality of those non-elite roster players.

    1. Can NHL teams run with 9F/6D/2G? Is there a rule against it? I know there is the 23 man limit, but within that limit and the 20 player active game-roster, I can’t find any requirement that a team NEEDS to have 23 players on the roster. You could still carry your 2F and 1D “spares” but rather than having them sit in the press-box they sit on the bench and would be available to play in the game if needed.

    2. Would the incremental 10ish minutes per night of ice time (realistic expectation of a 4th line TOI), split between lines 1 – 3 have a material impact on health or ability to perform at a high level in the playoffs? Would the elite players play too much? I don’t see an extra 3 – 4 minutes per night being overly important.

    3. Is the risk of in-game injury high enough on a 9F roster to be an unreasonable one in the context of winning/losing a game? I.e. how many times per year will more than 1 or 2 forwards get hurt and have to leave the game? The fix of carrying your “spare” players on the bench rather than in the press-box may mitigate this.

    4. Would saving ~$3M – $5M in player costs be worth it within the context of the above?

    5. Has anyone ever looked at this within an analytical context?

    I feel like there is something here, but also feel like I’d be surprised if no one has taken a look at it before and determined for whatever reason it wouldn’t work. I don’t have any analytics to back this up, just a Friday afternoon idle thought.

    I really don’t see why a team needs 14F under the cap (12 regulars + 2 spares), and even if a team doesn’t want to take the leap to 9F regulars going to 10 or 11 would still help the cap situation when you have a player like McDavid on the roster.

    Thoughts?

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    A’bunadh: Why is having Lowe and Malone in the pressbox opening night such a big deal?Seems pretty inconsequential to me.

    My concern is them on the ice. If they break camp with the team, the reason is to use them as injury replacements and potentially even without injuries.

  114. John Chambers says:

    Profit,

    Too many minutes in a game, too many games in a schedule.

    The NHL is a grind and it takes an army.

  115. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock: No I get that. I just want to know if they could send $3.5m cash as part of a trade to.cover the signing bonus before July 1st.

    Nope.

  116. Hilmar says:

    It’s funny that music urges one to contribute when hockey is much more of a passion nowadays for me personally. Might be that the hockey discussions feel thorough enough while music of course is inexhaustible so it’s easier to feel like one contributes with something interesting, or at least different.

    I’m not a seasonal, but more of an active music listener with a soft spot for the overly dramatic and cheesy. I often find that not many appreciate or even know much about the two “bands” that take up 95% of my listening time, but those who do are borderline fanatics that love to share their passion *cough*.

    Buckethead has produced so much music that his pikes alone contains enough variety that I would wager anyone can find something they love and something they hate among it. My two favorites are #40 and #65 and I find myself coming back to those time and again.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRtYfMx1FRE
    Coat of Charms at 7:10 and forward is among the best piece of guitar speak I can remember hearing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=957gqOFbpq0
    Hold Me Forever is more of a traditional Buckethead riffing to a backing track song, tons of emotion.

    Ayreon takes different to another level, mixing styles and bringing together a breadth of vocalists, utilizing them to their fullest. If you don’t mind progressive metal that doesn’t take itself too seriously, you might enjoy them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFuMKdrzPqU
    The best introduction to Ayreon imo is the main track of their latest album, both musically and the video presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-gUom7IphE&t=3587s
    The Theory of Everything is more keyboard heavy and takes some effort getting in to. More of a concept rock opera even than normal. Features some amazing keyboardists in Rick Wakeman, Jordan Rudess and Keith Emerson. Imo Cristina Scabbia should sing more stuff in this style.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01H_9Ijh1Zk
    If you’re looking for the ultimate in cheese, Star One – Space Metal might be what you’re looking for, also by Arjen Anthony Lucassen.

    Hope my contribution was new to some at least.

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bank Shot: Keegan Lowe spending the whole year in the NHL would highlight that nothing has changed with this org. That’s why. If an org prioritizes getting Lowe’s son some NHL experience over winning hockey games they aren’t likely to ever win anything. That’s why it would be a hill to die on.

    Hopefully they actually go out and get a real NHL defenceman or two and show they are different than always.

    Keegan Lowe in the NHL should not be an option unless injuries hit real hard but it has NOTHING to do with his dad.

    Was he shown favoritism last season?

    In fact, if anything, it was probably the opposite as, from all accounts, he was the best d-man in Cali pretty much all year and a wonderful mentor to the kids.

    He earned his new contract, however, his role should be the exact same as last year – he should be #10/11 on the depth chart, non #7,

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    We could sign Gryba to be the 7D?

  119. Richard S.S. says:

    The Oilers top 5 D and the #1 G control who wins or losses. They will mostly keep the Oilers in all games, making an occasional mistake – some worse than others. The offense is very simple, score one more goal than you let in.

    Oilers have one problem that must be corrected, defending a lead. When a Team spends more than 10 straight minutes defending a lead they will have difficulties scoring again. The solution is simple, keep scoring.

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: If a defenseman gets hurt you bring up a prospect from Bakersfield. Lowe only gets the odd emergency start. Who else are you gonna get for 650k and and will they be any better than Lowe .
    I can’t believe people can’t understand this.

    You are missing an important point – the prospects aren’t ready and need to stay in Bakersfield and not be called up 7 games in to the season so that Keegan Lowe doesn’t play.

    Who in the AHL is going to be ready? Bear is the only one that might realistically be ready.

    Jones struggled last season as a rookie pro. I expect improvement this year but he needs time.

    Lagesson – he’s just back from overseas – he needs some time – he’s a rookie pro in N. America.

  121. Side says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    We could sign Gryba to be the 7D?

    They could probably get Gryba for a 2 year x $900 000 deal.

  122. Profit says:

    John Chambers,

    I agree that would probably be the biggest objection, but I’d think that an incremental 3-4 minutes per player could be managed.

    Maybe not.

  123. Pink Socks says:

    bendelson:
    Hey gang!

    Not to derail the stimulating Kyle Brodziak talk, but…

    I spilled my fucking afternoon coffee reading this. You owe me a new keyboard.

  124. Ribs says:

    Profit: Thoughts?

    It didn’t seem to work very well for Coach Eakins.

  125. Death By Misadventure says:

    who: If a defenseman gets hurt you bring up a prospect from Bakersfield. Lowe only gets the odd emergency start. Who else are you gonna get for 650k and and will they be any better than Lowe .
    I can’t believe people can’t understand this.

    I don’t know a single franchise or player that would sign solely for the purpose of sitting in a press box while other players are called up to play.

    I think your thought experiment has ran away for you. Time to reign it in.

  126. Bank Shot says:

    who: If a defenseman gets hurt you bring up a prospect from Bakersfield. Lowe only gets the odd emergency start. Who else are you gonna get for 650k and and will they be any better than Lowe .
    I can’t believe people can’t understand this.

    If the Oilers bought out Gryba so Lowe can be the one to sit in the pressbox its actually a 1 million dollar cap hit and stupid beyond belief.

    I hold out hope the Oilers aren’t at that level but you never know with this club.

  127. Cobbler says:

    J Mascis
    Black Pistol Fire
    Daniel Spaleniak – Back Home
    The Graveltones

    Throwback ….. The Stone Roses.

    Love the draft picks btw. Lets hope Chiarelli looks long term this summer, despite his slight predicament.

  128. Death By Misadventure says:

    godot10: Your 7th defensemen and 14th forward can be merely pressbox players, with the real substitutes playing in the minors waiting callup if there are injuries.

    Why would a player ever agree to this?

  129. Cobbler says:

    The only time I post is when I drink.

    Happy Canada Day to all Lowetidians!

  130. Pink Socks says:

    Bank Shot: If the Oilers bought out Gryba so Lowe can be the one to sit in the pressbox its actually a 1 million dollar cap hit and stupid beyond belief.

    I hold out hope the Oilers aren’t at that level but you never know with this club.

    Ding ding ding. Comment of the day.

    #7 D man needs to be better than Gryba, and making a salary that when you add $300k, it’s still palatable. Paying Lowe $975k is fubar.

  131. Richard S.S. says:

    godot10,

    What would be the return? That was the entire question. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is the best available option the Oilers have for Connor McDavid’s LW. But is he the best option available anywhere?

  132. Geranium Lover says:

    Profit,

    NHL roster size is a minimum of 18 skaters plus 2 goalies.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26377

  133. ArmchairGM says:

    Richard S.S.:
    godot10,

    What would be the return?That was the entire question.Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is the best available option the Oilers have for Connor McDavid’s LW.But is he the best option available anywhere?

    The point is that RNH’s value to the Oilers is far higher than his value to the Canadiens, making any “fair” trade a loss.

  134. Richard S.S. says:

    Early returns (bits and pieces from many sources) have the 2019 Draft being as good as the 2015 Draft with both top end talent and great depth. The WHL has two top ten candidates and another 8 as definite first round. Overall, the bona fide top ten could be 25 deep and bona fide first round talent being 65 deep. Even only if it’s better than last year Peter Chiarelli needs to acquire as many 1st and 2nd round picks as possible, any way he can.

  135. McSorley33 says:

    A’bunadh,

    Why is having Lowe and Malone in the pressbox opening night such a big deal? Seems pretty inconsequential to me.
    *********************************************************************************************************
    Because injuries & both are not NHL’ers.

  136. JustWatt says:

    Cobbler,

    But… but…

    You’re avatar is Dave Grohl and you didn’t mention Foo Fighters? I’m so confused!

  137. Munny says:

    The Koekkoek rumour makes me wonder if Seksy might be plying his trade elsewhere this season…

  138. Primetime says:

    You know, the most frightening thing about the talk of players like Brodziak and Chimera etc. coming back to play, isn’t the players themselves. It’s the fact that these aren’t Chia’s people, they are MacT/KLowe’s players… the fact that they still have so much say about even potential FA discussions at this point is galling….

  139. Alpine says:

    Primetime:
    You know, the most frightening thing about the talk of players like Brodziak and Chimera etc. coming back to play, isn’t the players themselves.It’s the fact that these aren’t Chia’s people, they are MacT?KLowe’s people… the fact that they still have so much say about even potential FA discussions at this point is galling….

    I doubt it’s Lowe/MacT driving these discussions. Both guys were pretty famous as far as being discarded by that regime for whatever reason. Chimera and MacT apparently butted heads and Brodziak was considered too soft by a management team that had Lowe as President.

  140. Cobbler says:

    JustWatt,

    oh right……and the Foo Fighters.

    Its all better now.

  141. Richard S.S. says:

    Chances are very good the Oiler’s Defense in 2018/19, baring trades, will be:
    Oscar Klefbom, Adam Larsson;
    Andrej Sekera, Evan Bouchard;
    Kris Russell, Matthew Benning, Darnell Nurse;
    At least for the first nine games. At that time the discussion of a 7th will be moot, but if not, then a 7th will be needed, to not play much. Ethan Bear showed very well when up here and deserves to be called up in case of injury, but deserves regular playing time if not needed.

  142. godot10 says:

    Richard S.S.:
    godot10,

    What would be the return?That was the entire question.Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is the best available option the Oilers have for Connor McDavid’s LW.But is he the best option available anywhere?

    The Oilers wasted 3 years of McDavid’s Oiler career already not playling Nugent-Hopkins with McDavid. McDavid scored materially more points and goals with Nugent-Hopkins than anybody else he has played with. And you want to throw that fish back in the ocean trying to find another one as good.

    For a coach who couldn’t recognize the diamond he is hand for three years, who only played him with McDavid as an afterthought before he planned on having him shipped out like Hall. The team that thought trading Hall was a good idea. The team that thought Milan Lucic was a good idea.

    Nugent-Hopkins is certainly in the 99th percentile of best forward options to play with McDavid. That is good enough. He is entering the best years of his career, and is signed to a great contract with some term left.

  143. Side says:

    godot10: The Oilers wasted 3 years of McDavid’s Oiler career already not playling Nugent-Hopkins with McDavid. McDavid scored materially more points and goals with Nugent-Hopkins than anybody else he has played with.And you want to throw that fish back in the ocean trying to find another one as good.

    For a coach who couldn’t recognize the diamond he is hand for three years, who only played him with McDavid as an afterthought before he planned on having him shipped out like Hall. The team that thought trading Hall was a good idea.The team that thought Milan Lucic was a good idea.

    Nugent-Hopkins is certainly in the 99th percentile of best forward options to play with McDavid.That is good enough.He is entering the best years of his career, and is signed to a great contract with some term left.

    Revisionism, here.

    Oilers had 2 proven #1 centers in McDavid and Nuge. Draisaitl was still a question mark.

    You suggesting that the obvious answer was in front of their face the whole time is a bit disingenuous considering if they did play Nuge with McDavid ASAP, who would have been the #2 C?

    This blog seems to go from “Oilers shouldn’t stack their lines with their best players, they should do what Pittsburgh does and put them on seperate lines!”

    to

    “Wow the Oilers are stupid, how come they haven’t been playing Nuge with McDavid since day 1?”

    The answer to this hypothetical question is: because, RNH has always been a reliable and dependable C who can play as #1 or #2 and Drai was still finding his groove.

    I do agree that they should have tried McDavid and RNH sooner in the 2017-2018 season, but to blame the Oilers for not trying it out in McDavid’s first or second year is silly.

  144. Primetime says:

    Side,

    I agree Side,

    In fact I would venture there is still no definitive answer on what would garner more goals:

    a) RNH & McD (line 1)/Drai (2C)
    b) McD & Drai (line 1) / RNH (2C)

    Both combos have looked unstoppable at times…I think option B ultimately is the better option, but not sure it is a slam dunk yet at all. In fact the best maybe option C which we haven’t seen much of:

    c) McD (1C) / RNH & Drai (Line 2)

    Either way, keeping Nuge is critical for the flexibility of that Top 6

  145. Professor Q says:

    Primetime,

    I think the beauty of A and C is RNH on the Wing and the cerebral play between he and McDavid/supporting Drai.

    The beauty of B is Drai winning the draws and McDavid on the Wing, with the big body of Drai and both of their beautiful passing.

    No reason it can’t be both, situationally. Playoffs, H vs. A games, PP/PK, time of game, etc.

    And of course, B went sour when Drai had his bad passing games. If he gets more consistent there, then the line could be always deadly, as when Drai is on his passing game, he’s the German Mats Sundin. If both continue getting better with their draws and shooting, then yeah, unstoppable.

    Imagine Bouchard eventually backing them up (not to forget Puljujärvi and Yamamoto)?

  146. T0ML says:

    We could go all out nuclear with an option “D” …..

    RNH – McDavid – Drai

    I mean I’d love too ee that when push comes to shove goal needed time. Works great since Drai seems to prefer C or RW if on wing to my recollection…

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: The Oilers wasted 3 years of McDavid’s Oiler career already not playling Nugent-Hopkins with McDavid. McDavid scored materially more points and goals with Nugent-Hopkins than anybody else he has played with.And you want to throw that fish back in the ocean trying to find another one as good.

    For a coach who couldn’t recognize the diamond he is hand for three years, who only played him with McDavid as an afterthought before he planned on having him shipped out like Hall. The team that thought trading Hall was a good idea.The team that thought Milan Lucic was a good idea.

    Nugent-Hopkins is certainly in the 99th percentile of best forward options to play with McDavid.That is good enough.He is entering the best years of his career, and is signed to a great contract with some term left.

    Actually, pretty much all of his metrics are better with Strome than with Nuge.

  148. Lowetide says:

    For the Athletic: Two years later the Taylor Hall trade remains an open wound
    https://theathletic.com/413923/2018/06/29/lowetide-two-years-later-the-taylor-hall-trade-remains-an-open-wound/

  149. leadfarmer says:

    I hope if we are looking at Brodziak it is a one year or at most 2 year contract. He’s at that age where role players fall apart at a moments notice

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    In 2016/17, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins played 42% of his even strength minutes at center against elite competition. I wonder if taking those tough minutes, among the toughest for a forward in the NHL, helped McDavid and Drai form one of the NHL’s best duos?

  151. nelson88 says:

    Founding member of Brodziak fan club. Still blame LT’s son for getting him traded. Don’t want him back at 34

  152. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ArmchairGM: Pretty meh. Small sample size, but I like his numbers with Draisaitl much, much better. Among current Oilers players, the ideal top-9 based on WOWY’s is this:

    Nugent-Hopkins – McDavid – Puljujarvi
    Khaira – Draisaitl – Kassian
    Lucic – Strome – Yamamoto

    McDavid WOWY’s: http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8478402

    Draisaitl WOWY’s: http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=y&v=t&playerid=8477934

    Strome WOWY’s: http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?season=20172018&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=y&v=t&playerid=8476458

    Note: Yamamoto’s shot metrics with McDavid are better than Puljujarvi’s, but JP’s goal metrics are better (61.90 GF%), and in a much larger sample size. I would also be comfortable switching these two as we get a larger data sample to work with.

    I don’t think Yama should start in the bigs, but i like that this forward group tries to put the guys that click together and the lines are balanced with size and skill.

    I think with a healthy D group playing in the right slot it could be hard to beat, if not scoring the lights out.

  153. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    In 2016/17, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins played 42% of his even strength minutes at center against elite competition.I wonder if taking those tough minutes, among the toughest for a forward in the NHL, helped McDavid and Drai form one of the NHL’s best duos?

    Absolutely it had to.

  154. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: The Oilers wasted 3 years of McDavid’s Oiler career already not playling Nugent-Hopkins with McDavid. McDavid scored materially more points and goals with Nugent-Hopkins than anybody else he has played with.And you want to throw that fish back in the ocean trying to find another one as good.

    For a coach who couldn’t recognize the diamond he is hand for three years, who only played him with McDavid as an afterthought before he planned on having him shipped out like Hall. The team that thought trading Hall was a good idea.The team that thought Milan Lucic was a good idea.

    Nugent-Hopkins is certainly in the 99th percentile of best forward options to play with McDavid.That is good enough.He is entering the best years of his career, and is signed to a great contract with some term left.

    Nuge wouldn’t have been a great option in Connor’s first years because they had no established centre depth and Connor had a hunting target on his back. He did end up with a lengthy and thankfully not hampering injury.

    As Leon was ‘more’ able to run L2 and Connor was established enough to ‘earn’ league protection, Nuge moved up.

    Yes perhaps too late, but the season was well gone early with the injuries and slumping players. We don’t know what they were trying to accomplish in a lost season as much as it sucks.

  155. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    In 2016/17, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins played 42% of his even strength minutes at center against elite competition.I wonder if taking those tough minutes, among the toughest for a forward in the NHL, helped McDavid and Drai form one of the NHL’s best duos?

    It was bad roster management, because it got Draisaitl paid, and almost got Nugent-Hopkins traded. Nugent-Hopkins already had a contract. He was the one who should have been tried with McDavid first.

  156. Psyche says:

    godot10,

    That’s a good point. I always wondered why it took so long for the coach and manager to put the Nuge with McJesus. They appeared to think the game similarly and seemed to be an obvious pairing.

  157. Psyche says:

    nelson88:
    Founding member of Brodziak fan club. Still blame LT’s son for getting him traded. Don’t want him back at 34

    Ditto.

  158. who says:

    Bank Shot: If the Oilers bought out Gryba so Lowe can be the one to sit in the pressbox its actually a 1 million dollar cap hit and stupid beyond belief.

    I hold out hope the Oilers aren’t at that level but you never know with this club.

    I agree they should have just kept Gryba. But they didn’t.
    And if Lowe starts the season as the 7th dman that tells me the Oilers rate him higher than Gryba. I haven’t seen enough of him to form an opinion either way.
    Either way it’s not that big a deal. No matter how many times OP insists that it is. Stating an opinion 100 times doesn’t make it any more valid.

  159. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Doesn’t really work that way when they start in Europe and then a 4-5 game road trip on the east coast.

    I also don’t agree with the premise and the coaching staff and management would use the extra bodies when injuries hit.

    The brutal start of the season could put the team in a ditch they never get out of. Can’t believe the league would treat a team this way after they agree to go to Europe .

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: It was bad roster management, because it got Draisaitl paid, and almost got Nugent-Hopkins traded.Nugent-Hopkins already had a contract. He was the one who should have been tried with McDavid first.

    With our top 2 centers having an average age of 19.5, we probably miss the playoffs in 2016/17.

  161. Oilman99 says:

    godot10: The Oilers wasted 3 years of McDavid’s Oiler career already not playling Nugent-Hopkins with McDavid. McDavid scored materially more points and goals with Nugent-Hopkins than anybody else he has played with.And you want to throw that fish back in the ocean trying to find another one as good.

    For a coach who couldn’t recognize the diamond he is hand for three years, who only played him with McDavid as an afterthought before he planned on having him shipped out like Hall. The team that thought trading Hall was a good idea.The team that thought Milan Lucic was a good idea.

    Nugent-Hopkins is certainly in the 99th percentile of best forward options to play with McDavid.That is good enough.He is entering the best years of his career, and is signed to a great contract with some term left.

    At the time the Oilers had to play RNH at centre because he was the only legitimate option for a two way centre that could compete against the other team’s top line.

  162. Glass says:

    I’m not sure why people wouldn’t want Brodziak… he is one of the best 4C’s in the league is he not? Who would you guys prefer? I think Khaira can play higher in the line-up.. 3LW or 2Lw (he didn’t look out of place next to Drai imo).

  163. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Last year I noticed that Gryba was a little quicker on the first step and he didn’t chop the puck square as he so often did in his first year with the Oil. He was cheap, familiar with the team and its systems, and by all accounts was well liked. One of his best traits was being able to do extended stints in the press box and not need any time to step in and contribute. Flushing him from the roster and not using his performance as a baseline of expectations for ascending farmhands was, in my view, foolish.

    The contract for Lowe Jr wasn’t the problem, it’s that they intentionally incurred a negative cap hit to not have someone at an established baseline position to create internal competition. Someone to make Lowe or any other player bypass a “Gryba” for a call-up based on merit.

  164. jm363561 says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Last year I noticed that Gryba was a little quicker on the first step and he didn’t chop the puck square as he so often did in his first year with the Oil.He was cheap, familiar with the team and its systems, and by all accounts was well liked.One of his best traits was being able to do extended stints in the press box and not need any time to step in and contribute.Flushing him from the roster and not using his performance as a baseline of expectations for ascending farmhands was, in my view, foolish.

    The contract for Lowe Jr wasn’t the problem, it’s that they intentionally incurred a negative cap hit to not have someone at an established baseline position to create internal competition.Someone to make Lowe or any other player bypass Gryba for a call-up based on merit.

    Totally agree. Gryba was an ideal 7D in many ways. Never complained, never let the team down, and was a physical presence. They have flushed him, hit the cap available, and now seem to be looking for a similar replacement.

  165. Psyche says:

    Lowetide,

    Terrific read! Great work LT!

  166. jm363561 says:

    “The Drew Doughty sweepstakes have ended a year before they were slated to begin. The Los Angeles Kings announced Friday that they have agreed to terms on an eight-year contract extension with their prized defenseman.

    The deal will reportedly be worth an average annual value of around $11 million, and will keep the perennial All-Star in LA through the 2027 campaign.

    Doughty, who was slated to become an unrestricted free agent on July 1, 2019, becomes the Kings’ highest paid player and the wealthiest blue-liner league wide — until Erik Karlsson inks his next contract, at least.“

    Yahoo Sports. Guess we have to look elsewhere for our 7D😀

  167. pts2pndr says:

    Oilman99:
    There are some pretty good twenty something ufa’s out there, why not sign three or four of them and see if one of them can become a top six prospect in the Bake.

    How many are willing to sign a two way contract? Therein lies the rub!

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: How many are willing to sign a two way contract? Therein lies the rub!

    Why would we need them to sign a 2-way contract? Makes no difference to anyone but the player and Katz.

  169. rickithebear says:

    godot10: The Oilers wasted 3 years of McDavid’s Oiler career already not playling Nugent-Hopkins with McDavid. McDavid scored materially more points and goals with Nugent-Hopkins than anybody else he has played with.And you want to throw that fish back in the ocean trying to find another one as good.

    For a coach who couldn’t recognize the diamond he is hand for three years, who only played him with McDavid as an afterthought before he planned on having him shipped out like Hall. The team that thought trading Hall was a good idea.The team that thought Milan Lucic was a good idea.

    Nugent-Hopkins is certainly in the 99th percentile of best forward options to play with McDavid.That is good enough.He is entering the best years of his career, and is signed to a great contract with some term left.

    2 bullshit good goal calls kept a strong GA d team. From reaching a conference final.
    In Mcdavid 2nd year.

    I read page after page this year of we are missing this offence and we need to get more offence from our d.

    When comparing seasons
    We look at goal diff.
    16-17 +36
    17-18 -33
    We were 69 goal diff worse this year.

    Goals for
    16-17 243
    17-18 229
    EG 172 – 172 Even
    PPG 56 – 31 (-25)
    SHG 4 – 10 (+6)
    ENG 10 – 15 (+5)
    We were -14 in gf

    Goals against
    16-17 207
    17-18 262
    EVG 146 – 182 (-36)
    PKGA 40 – 57 (-17)
    SHGA 5 – 5 (Ev)
    ENGA 14 – 16 (-2)
    We were -55 in GA.

    When looking at this what is any practical intelligent person going to try and improve first.
    Even GA?

    Unless thier was an obvious system change from playoff success to failure.
    You might want to switch back to the other system.

    Then I would want to improve Special team performance.
    Which could also be system change.

  170. ashley says:

    It surprises me in threads like this how obscure the suggestions are. I don’t know much about music, but I’ve never heard of any of these bands or songs that have been suggested. That’s ok in itself as music, like many other things discussed here (food, BBQ, cooking, wine, liquor) are quite personal, and it’s possible some people have obscure personal tastes. How is it possible that everyone who comments has obscure personal music tastes?

    No one mentions bands like U2, Pink Floyd, Nirvana, Pink, Metallica, T. Swift, Ed Sheeran, The Killers, Marianas Trenches? I mean they are “pop”ular bands, and by nature, liked by more people than other bands. Yet not one mention of any of these thousands of mainstream, well-known bands by this vast cross section of humanity at LT?

    Weird.

    Maybe I missed something in the original request that specified a specific music genre.

  171. The Trade Guy says:

    Lowetide:
    For the Athletic: Two years later the Taylor Hall trade remains an open wound
    https://theathletic.com/413923/2018/06/29/lowetide-two-years-later-the-taylor-hall-trade-remains-an-open-wound/

    Oh no you don’t. I’m not reliving this!

  172. Primetime says:

    Oilman99: The brutal start of the season could put the team in a ditch they never get out of. Can’t believe the league would treat a team this way after they agree to go to Europe .

    Agree the start to our North American season is brutal, but I don’t think the NHL sees it us the Oilers doing them a favour by “agreeing” to go to Europe. I think many teams actively bid to be the team to go…not only grows the game, but grows the team brand itself…selling Oiler jerseys and merchandise in Europe lines Katz’s pockets as much as in North America. In fact, I’m pretty sure I read where Bob Nicholson is already banging the drum to let the Oilers go to China to start the year the following season as well….

  173. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: Why would we need them to sign a 2-way contract? Makes no difference to anyone but the player and Katz.

    My thinking is that most players would want assurances of getting a shot at the NHL otherwise most would be able to sign in Europe. Edmonton had to assure caggulia NHL playing time to get him to sign out of college. I am assuming they want more than a contract to continue in the AHL.

  174. rickithebear says:

    Lowetide:
    For the Athletic: Two years later the Taylor Hall trade remains an open wound
    https://theathletic.com/413923/2018/06/29/lowetide-two-years-later-the-taylor-hall-trade-remains-an-open-wound/

    One of my theories:
    Belichek and me:
    You want the best repeatable baseline performance players.
    You want as minimal goal resulting mistakes
    per 22 shift for forwards.
    Per 26 shift for Dman.
    This is why I always defended staples mistake aproach.
    Cause I was already breaking down player performance as part of that.

    We traded Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson.

    The goal is to win cups.
    Every cup winner has had a base roster.
    Adam Larsson is a top 10 HD goal diff affect dman.
    Teams need 3+ top 60.
    Thier is one top 10 available for every 3 teams.

    When judging Hall we judge the player traded.
    10-11 to 13-14 thier were 3.585 82 gm season worth of games. (48 = .585)
    Hall averaged
    68gm 26g 63p -6

    His last 2 seasons in Edmonton
    He averaged
    67gm 23g 52p -3
    A top 60 forward. Thier are 2 available per team.

    It is at this point those that have played football and rugby realize durability is part of base line performance.

    Hall missed 15 games a season were he was replaced by a #13-17 fwd.
    The team win % was .25 meaning 7-8 points out of those games.
    To get 95pt we needed 87 of 134 possible points. A 107 season point pace
    A built in difficult path to playoffs.

    To further prove who we traded
    Hall was 72gm 20g 53p -9
    His first season in NJ.

    Hall in an interview stated he finally was starting to listen to coaching.
    This year with NJD.

    Hall was league MVP when he listened to coaching.
    Shame he was not that with us .
    He was a top 60 offensive forward who lack of dura bility all but made it impossible for us to make the playoffs as we built up cup roster depth.

    Larsson s cup roster value was 6 times higher than hall’s.

    I did not read your article LT.
    As my wife is finally getting a subscription for me.

    I tire of articles who talk of hall the MVP.
    He was never that with us.
    Or the first year in NJ.

    Wevdo not know if he would have listened to coaching in EDM.

  175. rickithebear says:

    OriginalPouzar: You are missing an important point – the prospects aren’t ready and need to stay in Bakersfield and not be called up 7 games in to the season so that Keegan Lowe doesn’t play.

    Who in the AHL is going to be ready?Bear is the only one that might realistically be ready.

    Jones struggled last season as a rookie pro.I expect improvement this year but he needs time.

    Lagesson – he’s just back from overseas – he needs some time – he’s a rookie pro in N. America.

    Bear 18gm -11
    80gm -55 ?
    Goals against ?

  176. OriginalPouzar says:

    I in no way think that Bear is ready for the NHL right now but, as far as injury call-ups, he’s the only prospect D going to Bakersfield that I feel could be ready at some point this year.

    Maybe Lagesson but we’ve yet to see him play.

  177. Melvis says:

    bendelson,

    Whoo boy. Big question. Long summer weekends. I tend to eschew indie/contemporary and go back a bit to other happy long summer weekends. Plus I’m feeling a bit boozy now after the neighbour’s German shepherd guard dog broke his lead and went after me in my backyard around 9:00 am. Major contretemps when the Bylaw officers finally appeared three hours after the fact. Anyway…

    I halted “Wide Awake” after the first bar and went here: Hi Julie, how you doing…lol

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcC-SbcihKI&frags=pl%2Cwn

    So it’s a lot of calming nostalgia, plus well oiled and holed memory and a significant dash of grooves over four decades. Plus all over the effin map.

    The Hissing of Summer Lawns (thematic, of course), Court and Spark, Miles of Aisles (i met that crew backstage at the Universal Amphitheatre in ’74) Plus she’s a Saskatoon girl.

    Supersttion and Fullfillingness… Stevie Wonder (meet and greet at Studio Instrument Rentals rehearsals)

    Lots and lots of Motown, which I grew up on. Grandpa’s six transistor on the farm late at night and I could catch that station in Windsor across form Detroit, not to mention Wolfman Jack and various other things I could pull in from below the Mason Dixon line.

    I had Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music (Bete Noir) on earlier today.

    A lot of Youssou N’dour.

    Jimmy Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn as well.

    Jeff Beck Group and Rough and Ready.

    Remy Shand. The Way I Feel

    Massive Attack and Portishead later tonight. Maybe some Peggy Lee as well.

    Fagen’s ” Florida Room”. Just because I could go out back and take in the odour of some old dusty ornage trees at one time on the other coast.

    Steely Dan at the moment. Two Against Nature.

    For a lot of reasons. “off to Barbados, just for the ride”, “meet me at midnight at Mr. Chow”, “drive west on Sunset to the sea, turn that jungle music down”. In a ’59 Porshce 356, of course;-)
    Plus I’m in love with backup singers. In this case Vicky Cave.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yakwMSqOEXw&frags=pl%2Cwn

    A lot of gap filling inbetween. Too many to mention really. Next three days. A helluva good lot of art and music related mimesis and mitosis.

    And then Godot reminded me of Coltrane. Sheesh. It’s a never ending story.

  178. Melvis says:

    Also, for those who play keys…I found the Fagen piano lessons with Warren Bernhardt quite fascinating. Here’s an example…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP_2r9zbaIY

  179. Pescador says:

    Melvis,

    I’m not trying to take sides here but if I could break my chain I’d go after you too Melvis!
    Dynamite post, just awesome

  180. Melvis says:

    And while I’m in my cups. I’m more of a lover than a hater, but please stop reminding of that boil on my ass…the Hall trade. There are only about three four on my list, and Peter takes up most of that space.

    As for Lucic, he nearly did me in with the bitching about chapped lips and dry skin in an Edmonton winter climate. There are balms for that…fer fucks sake. Those older interviews about life in Boston and LA are also worth a peek these days. They say a lot a lot about heart and personal preferences and where he should go as soon as possible.

  181. Melvis says:

    Pescador,

    Thanks man. I appreciate it. I’m never sure about these things. Mostly because there are so many dudes here living their first and second acts whose preferred tastes and genres seem somewhat removed from mine. And I haven’t been able to keep up since global music diversification from the advent and onslaught of the digital age.

    I can only hope comparitively good music across the ages wins out in the end.

  182. VOR says:

    meanashell11:
    To go back to the last thread, there were comments that Lucic’s family had moved out last year. I never heard that before. What is the background on that?

    Let me start with the obvious background. It isn’t actually true. Like most urban myths it starts with something real and spins it and retells it and embellishes it.

    The true part I am not going to talk about here. Because it is nobody’s business. Athletes are entitled to their private lives.

    Don’t get me wrong. I love gossip. I have indulge in it frequently. And I think speculation about the factors determining human performance is a legitimate aspect of fandom. But there is a nasty degree of malice lurking behind the falsehoods being spread against Milan Lucic to which I don’t wish to be a party.

    So I am going to say it for the record. These are the facts.

    Milan Lucic isn’t fat.
    Milan Lucic isn’t unfit.
    Terrell Owens didn’t break Milan Lucic.
    Milan Lucic’s family didn’t “move out”.

    So the background on this story is accidentally or on purpose somebody or possibly multiple someones have created a malignant rumour and not the first in this player’s case. No wonder he is asking (notice not demanding) to be traded. And no wonder his wife is a little frigging upset.

  183. VOR says:

    Melvis,

    Great post. Hadn’t read it when I posted. I have just been getting angrier since this garbage about Milan’s family in the last thread was first posted. Didn’t mean to chill your wonderful post.

  184. deardylan says:

    Jethro Tull: shep

    Current summer of 2018 music?

    Well I just accidently turned my wrist with the time infinity stone and I am currently listening to this recording made April 9, 1860 on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OYqOiHtpz8

    Unknown Singer . Track: “Claire de la lune”

  185. Oz says:

    VOR: Let me start with the obvious background. It isn’t actually true. Like most urban myths it starts with something real and spins it and retells it and embellishes it.

    The true part I am not going to talk about here. Because it is nobody’s business. Athletes are entitled to their private lives.

    Don’t get me wrong. I love gossip. I have indulge in it frequently. And I think speculation about the factors determining human performance is a legitimate aspect of fandom. But there is a nasty degree of malice lurking behind the falsehoods being spread against Milan Lucic to which I don’t wish to be a party.

    So I am going to say it for the record. These are the facts.

    Milan Lucic isn’t fat.
    Milan Lucic isn’t unfit.
    Terrell Owens didn’t break Milan Lucic.
    Milan Lucic’s family didn’t “move out”.

    So the background on this story is accidentally or on purpose somebody or possibly multiple someones have created a malignant rumour and not the first in this player’s case. No wonder he is asking (notice not demanding) to be traded. And no wonder his wife is a little frigging upset.

    Excellent post VOR
    would like to add that so many people in the public domain should also have their “private lives” respected ….. even politicians!!

  186. Melvis says:

    VOR,

    No problem. You’ve laid out some good points. I tend to hold my breath a bit unless it’s straight out of the horse’s mouth.

  187. GBandQ says:

    bendelson,

    the new Iceage album is super good.
    and not necessarily new new, but i’m listening to a lot of
    Elder – Reflections of a Floating World
    Khruangbin
    The True Loves
    Delvon Lamarr Organ Trio (check them out on KEXP’s YouTube)
    The Men – Drift

  188. rickithebear says:

    OriginalPouzar: Leon Draisait on the PP

    Nuge was close to 50% on the faceoff last year – Khaira as well.

    RNH was the 2nd worst PK fwd of 191
    Khaira was the 10th best.
    Strome was #40

    Comeau was #48

  189. SwedishPoster says:

    Always liked Kovar. Love his style, kind of an old school vibe to him, an eighties a Soviet playmaker. Pretty good defensively as well but inconsistent and not sure his smooth style is a great NHL fit but I would certainly like to see them give him a shot. Very enjoyable player.

  190. Professor Q says:

    rickithebear: RNH was the 2nd worst PK fwd of 191
    Khaira was the 10th best.
    Strome was #40

    Comeau was #48

    To be fair, the entire Oilers’ PK was absolutely terrible. Worst 5 in history and worst at home in history, I believe?

    And how many PKM did each of those players have?

  191. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yup, Nuge was 43% on SH FO% but 63% on the PP to top the team regulars.

  192. Soup Fascist says:

    geowal: Why would a “real” NHL defenseman want to sign to be 7D? That position needs to cost less than 750k in this org. If his name was Keegan Wilbury would you still object?

    At a minimum we would know he was used to Travelling, useful – as the Oilers start the season in Europe.

    Just be sure to Handle him With Care.

  193. rickithebear says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I in no way think that Bear is ready for the NHL right now but, as far as injury call-ups, he’s the only prospect D going to Bakersfield that I feel could be ready at some point this year.

    Maybe Lagesson but we’ve yet to see him play.

    I know that,

    Not questioning you.

    Just relative to the GA fix.

    He is not it.

  194. stephen sheps says:

    Melvis,

    I loved this post so much. That is all.

  195. Ryan says:

    rickithebear: RNH was the 2nd worst PK fwd of 191
    Khaira was the 10th best.
    Strome was #40

    Comeau was #48

    Khaira was in the category of ‘not an NHL centre’ relative to his weak side faceoff win % last season. Hope it improves.

    https://theathletic.com/357115/2018/05/18/dellow-how-canadas-teams-look-on-strong-side-vs-weak-side-faceoffs-and-how-matthews-is-better-than-mcdavid/

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