Free Agent Canada Day

A year ago the Edmonton Oilers had an unusual July 1, signing Ty Rattie, Ryan Stanton, Mitch Callahan, Keegan Lowe, Eddie Pasquale, Brian Ferlin and Grayson Downing. We spent the day discussing the Condors roster. Today offers a little more excitement, Kyle Brodziak appears to be coming home, but it will be a different experience compared to the days of Sekera and Lucic.

THE ATHLETIC!

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CENTER

  1. Connor McDavid
  2. Leon Draisaitl
  3. Ryan Strome

Rumored pickup Kyle Brodziak would be a solid fit. His signing would allow Jujhar Khaira (listed as LW) to slide over to left wing and give Brad Malone the 13F position. Cooper Marody is the most interesting of the AHL group, Cameron Hebig may end up playing right wing but has time at pivot on his resume. Colin Larkin is another graduating college player, his specialty is the defensive side of the game. One more free agent to keep in mind: Matthew Peca.

LEFT WING

  1. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  2. Milan Lucic
  3. Jujhar Khaira
  4. Drake Caggiula

Anthony Duclair and Daniel Carr are the free agents I’ve identified as being worth the investment. Edmonton has four roster options here, but Caggiula can play right wing and both he and Khaira are still working on establishing themselves (either man could lose his job in-season). Tyler Benson turns pro this fall, I believe the Oilers may fast track him if he performs well and some of the NHL hires struggle. Joe Gambardella and Nolan Vesey are the other notable Condors, long shots both for NHL games in 2018-19.

RIGHT WING

  1. Ty Rattie
  2. Jesse Puljujarvi
  3. Pontus Aberg
  4. Zack Kassian

Kailer Yamamoto is the biggest wild card on right wing, he could do everything from play 82 games in Edmonton to 68 games in Bakersfield. If the Oilers don’t address this position before fall, bet on the former. My free agents are Tobias Rieder and Tomas Jurco plus I’ll throw in Zack Mitchell because his 5×5 primary points are intriguing. Bob Stauffer mentioned Lance Bouma, that’s more of a fourth line option. The top Bakersfield option might be Patrick Russell, but in reality Yamamoto is the only top flight right wing prospect in the minors.

LEFT DEFENSE

  1. Oscar Klefbom
  2. Darnell Nurse
  3. Andrej Sekera

Brandon Davidson is my choice for free agent at this position, although his numbers were not strong one year ago. Thomas Hickey will be too pricey and I’m not sure he has a strength, but who knows in this free agent market. Keegan Lowe is the likely first recall, Ryan Stanton is another veteran in the minors.

RIGHT DEFENSE

  1. Adam Larsson
  2. Kris Russell
  3. Matt Benning

Ethan Bear is the top RHD in Bakersfield, chances are he’ll play in the NHL this season. Although unsigned at this time, Evan Bouchard is rising on the organizational depth chart like a rocket. He could make the team. Free agent of note: Dylan DeMolo, who is probably going to be expensive (lack of quality in free agency).

GOALIE

  1. Cam Talbot
  2. Mikko Koskinen
  3. Al Montoya

I expect to see a trade at some point before opening night, Montoya has enough of a reputation to have value. There are a ton of free agent goalies, Edmonton has no room. Not sure about the slotting of Shane Starrett, Dylan Wells and Stuart Skinner but none of them will be in the NHL this coming season.

REMAINING OILERS FREE AGENTS

  • G Nick Ellis RFA. Retired.
  • G Laurent Brossoit UFA. Unlikely to return.
  • LD Darnell Nurse RFA. Qualified
  • RD Matt Benning RFA. Signed. 
  • LD Yohann Auvitu UFA. KHL bound.
  • RD Mark Fayne UFA. He’s done with the Oilers.
  • LD Keegan Lowe UFA. Signed. 
  • LD Dillon Simpson UFA. Appears headed to free agency.
  • LD Joey Laleggia UFA. Appears headed to free agency.
  • LD Ben Betker RFA. Not Qualified. 
  • RC Ryan Strome RFA. Qualified. 
  • RC Kyle Platzer RFA. Not Qualified.
  • LC Grayson Downing UFA. Appears headed to free agency.
  • L Mike Cammalleri UFA. Appears headed to free agency.
  • L Drake Caggiula RFA. Signed. 
  • L Braden Christoffer RFA. Signed an AHL deal. 
  • R Anton Slepyshev RFA. Qualified.
  • R Iiro Pakarinen RFA. Not Qualified. 
  • R Patrick Russell. RFA. Signed. 
  • R Brian Ferlin UFA. Appears headed to free agency.

CHIARELLI’S NEEDS LIST

  • A scoring winger capable of sliding up and down the depth chart as required (Anthony Duclair one of the few value contracts available with this resume).
  • A two-way forward who can provide veteran presence on the third or fourth line (this could be Brodziak or other).
  • A second-pairing defender (patience may require this solution arrives later, and it might be Matt Benning until Evan Bouchard is ready).
  • A backup goalie (Mikko Koskinen).

CHIARELLI’S ASSETS LIST

  • Milan Lucic.  No idea what the market might be, suspect he goes after July 1.
  • Zack Kassian. He’s likely in a few conversations.
  • 2019 first-round pickIt would have lots of value.
  • Oscar Klefbom. The OEL signing has him moving down my list (from No. 1).
  • Jesse Puljujarvi. He’s vulnerable, suspect they’ll regret dealing the big man.
  • Ryan Strome. Oilers may want to reset that third line.
  • Andrej Sekera. Injury unknown likely keeps him here.
  • Kris Russell. NMC probably keeps him here.
  • Cam Talbot. I don’t believe it but his name is out there.

PROJECTED ROSTER AND RE [237]

  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins [25]—Connor McDavid [40]—Ty Rattie [14]
  • Milan Lucic [15]—Leon Draisaitl [27]—Tobias Rieder [14]
  • Jujhar Khaira [10]—Ryan Strome [15]—Jesse Puljujarvi [18]
  • Drake Caggiula [9]—Kyle Brodziak [8]—Zack Kassian [8]
  • Pontus Aberg [3]—Brad Malone [3]
  • Oscar Klefbom [8]—Adam Larsson [2]
  • Andrej Sekera [4]—Kris Russell [2]
  • Darnell Nurse [5]—Matt Benning [6]
  • Brandon Davidson [1]
  • Cam Talbot3—Mikko Koskinen

Oilers scored 229 goals one year ago, I’ve added Tobias Rieder, Kyle Brodziak and Brandon Davidson to this model and the projection is 237 goals. Still not good enough, they’re going to need someone to spike. Maybe it’s Kailer Yamamoto, or Jesse Puljujarvi. Or a trade. Most of the goals are going to come from the centers, the weakness is on the wings.

TRADES

I think it’ll come down to a trade and maybe we see it today. No matter what happens, even if the big name is a trade for Josh Leivo, the key item to remember is the team has added zero long-term contracts that could serve as future albatross. The Oilers didn’t trade their top picks, didn’t trade Oscar Klefbom and didn’t trade Jesse Puljujarvi. The McDavid cluster remains intact. Now, about all of those imported veterans who are making big dollars. That’s the next step, probably next year.

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  1. frjohnk says:

    rickithebear,

    Hey, just wondering, are you still gathering your data together so it can be peer reviewed?

    Seems like you have great data but with a few wonky outliers.

  2. Gerta Rauss says:

    Chris,

    I think Looch will get moved- we may not like the return but I think he’s gone

    That may prompt another move depending on what comes back

  3. Chris says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    While Looch was putrid last year, I have a nagging feeling that the good ship Oil is already woefully short on the wings, and that trading him now will only exacerbate the issue. Dumping that contract and his slow feet is good, but what can we replace it with?

  4. stephen sheps says:

    square_wheels,

    You’ve hardly posted here in months and yet you decided to log in just to chirp me? Well played. Very well played 😉

  5. stephen sheps says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Lots of good stuff from the Chia presser

    the comment about the trade was telling, they’re not done yet

    That’s what frightens me. Chia is excellent at the small stuff (give or take a gryba buyout here and a Drake overpay there), but it’s bigger moves that instil a sense of impending dread.

    That said, lots of good stuff in the presser and he did very well today by doing very little and adding depth.

  6. Gerta Rauss says:

    Chris: but what can we replace it with?

    I’d take the cap space to be honest with you

    Munny was asking about retained salary vs a bad contract the other night- I’d be happy retaining salary at this point

    A retained salary transaction has a degree of clarity to it-you don’t have to worry about it’s ice time or fit in the locker room or whether it’s family is happy

    Looch with $2M retained and we may actually get a modest return (3rd/4th rd pick??)

    Then spend the freed up money on (insert your own winger here)….Duclair..??

  7. Primetime says:

    Rake 2.0:
    Gerta Rauss,

    It sure sounded like he has a trade up his sleeve. With all his comments about the roster not being finalized.

    Cue the Klefbom/Nurse for Nylander/Marner rumours again? Does that make even more sense for both teams now that they have JT?

    I could also envision Nylander for someone like Ristolainen?

  8. Spooky Lynx says:

    stephen sheps,

    Thankfully the Oilers have a system of checks and balances in place with the Red Wine Summits…… oh dear Gord, no!

  9. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Apparently Stauff thinks the trade that didn’t happen yet was a swap involving Kassian or maybe Aberg.

  10. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Part of me thinks Lucic is gone tomorrow, in a Horcoff-esque trade e.g. Larsen + 7th rounder.

    Then Maroon is offered a contract. 3 x 3.5-4M

  11. bmclav says:

    Long time reader, first time poster.

    I see the opening night lines as follows:

    Nuge-Mcd-Rattie
    Lucic-Drai-Puljujarvi
    Khaira-Strome-Rieder
    Aberg-Brodziak-Kass
    #91

    Klef-Larsson
    Nurse-Benning
    Sekera-Bouchard
    #4

    If Lucic is struggling off the hop, I like sliding Rieder up with Drai and Pulju, and having a 3rd line of :

    Lucic-Strome-Khaira

    However you slice it, great day for the oilers and I can’t wait for puck drop this fall

  12. stephen sheps says:

    Spooky Lynx,

    Fear and loathing in Oilerville?

  13. Westchester Oil says:

    Oilers paid $3.15 million/yr for Brodziak + Rieder. Flamers paid $3.125 million for Derek Ryan. Just sayin’.

  14. Primetime says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Apparently Stauff thinks the trade that didn’t happen yet was a swap involving Kassian or maybe Aberg.

    He has hinted a few times this week about Kassian (mentioning it would help Maroon on one broadcast).
    Agree with previous poster that we have to be careful about not reverting back to the punching bags of the NHL….

  15. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Which is more probable:

    A) All of the sudden Shero figures he needs a gritty RHD Dman a week after the buyout window

    or

    B) Peter not doing doing all his due diligence (which we’ve heard before about him…”we had no idea Hall was available”…)

    Always had trouble buying option B. If i remember the quote, it finishes with “we’d have put together a much better package.” (Paraphrasing)

    Well, 1) It was reported as an ” Eastern conference NHL exec” where as uusually a solid lead is something like “Philly also reported to be in the mix.” It’ll name a team.

    2) Well, what is a better package? 2 1sts and a roster player would be better, but it wouldn’t make Edmonton’s D better right away, and mayne they had nothing Peter wanted.

  16. Munny says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Apparently Stauff thinks the trade that didn’t happen yet was a swap involving Kassian or maybe Aberg.

    That would be my guess too. Something like Kassian for Simmonds.

  17. Biggus Dickus says:

    Lowetide: Lol. I thought that was funny, too. A difficult transition for all.

    Goddamn CBC cut Canada Day coverage in half. Why don’t we just separate Toronto already?

  18. Jethro Tull says:

    Know what’s really scary? That Chia believes we’re (a bottom 3rd NHL team, that happens to have the best player in the world on the roster) a Brodziak and a Reider away from being a contender. And some of you agree….

    I’m more scared of this scenario than an ill advised blockbuster trade. At least with them, you’re desperately trying to address need.

  19. McNuge93 says:

    Munny

    We can’t really afford that given how ttight we are against the cap.

    And I think the whole Reider thing is brilliant. Very astute drafting getting a reasonable talent in later rounds of the draft. Then the org recognizes its deficiency in developing players so ships him to another team to develope. Then bring him back when he’s needed. Genius.

  20. tileguy says:

    Primetime: He has hinted a few times this week about Kassian (mentioning it would help Maroon on one broadcast).
    Agree with previous poster that we have to be careful about not reverting back to the punching bags of the NHL….

    Have you forgot about Juju’s prowess?

  21. Bryan says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Know what’s really scary? That Chia believes we’re (a bottom 3rd NHL team, that happens to have the best player in the world on the roster) a Brodziak and a Reider away from being a contender. And some of you agree….

    I’m more scared of this scenario than an ill advised blockbuster trade. At least with them, you’re desperately trying to address need.

    The impression I got is that he is still tinkering. I am more comfortable with him working on the brakes or fixing the muffler than doing an engine job.

  22. Fuhr and Lowething. says:

    stephen sheps:
    Spooky Lynx,

    Fear and loathing in Oilerville?

    *ahem*

    😂😂😂

  23. deardylan says:

    Ben: Rieder’s on the Strome (line)?

    +1 haha. What a fantastic Canada’s Day!!

  24. Munny says:

    Wonder how the Isles losing Tavares for nothing is helping Pierre Dorion sleep at night…

  25. blainer says:

    Friedman mentioned the Reider signing was the one signing he really liked as did Burkie. I liked both of them as well but we will need improvement in a big way at the most important position.. Goaltending..

    Did we sign the right guy? I guess time will tell. There were some nice options available today that we could have signed for close to what was spent on Koskinen. Lets’s hope he got this right as this is the position that gets GM’s and Coach’s fired.

    As for scoring .. I am projecting 60 goals from Connor and 40 from RNH.. I know that is a crazy prediction but it’s just how I feel.

    We are back in the playoffs next year as long as we stay healthy and we get league average goalering.

  26. deardylan says:

    What other ex-oilers to bring back? Yak, Davidson.. ???!

  27. Alpine says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Know what’s really scary? That Chia believes we’re (a bottom 3rd NHL team, that happens to have the best player in the world on the roster) a Brodziak and a Reider away from being a contender. And some of you agree….

    I’m more scared of this scenario than an ill advised blockbuster trade. At least with them, you’re desperately trying to address need.

    So would you like another bad trade then? I wish Chia was this careful in years past. What team need do we need a blockbuster trade to address properly?

  28. Jethro Tull says:

    Alpine: So would you like another bad trade then? I wish Chia was this careful in years past. What team need do we need a blockbuster trade to address properly?

    It’s really quite binary and indicative of the circular reasoning here sometimes. Either:

    A) This team has glaring holes on it’s roster that won’t be fixed by Brodziak and Reider, or,

    B) This team is close and just needs tweaking with astute depth signings like Brodziak and Reider.

    One of these is a dangerous delusion, that if true, is more frightening than the other….(It’s B)

  29. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Munny: That would be my guess too. Something like Kassian for Simmonds.

    I think Simmonds will end up in Calgary.

    I picture Kassian going out for a less productive, less expensive F. Not sure who that would be.

  30. Jethro Tull says:

    deardylan:
    What other ex-oilers to bring back?Yak, Davidson.. ???!

    *Crosses fingers* Lennart Pettrell

  31. Primetime says:

    tileguy: Have you forgot about Juju’s prowess?

    Not at all…and Nurse can throw down when needed as well.

    However, neither one of those are instigators…enjoyed the brief period of time when we put other people off their games, rather than just reacting. Maroon and Kass were both good at this…don’t even need to be a knuckle dragger…Lander used to drive people insane for some reason as well…

  32. Munny says:

    Jethro Tull,

    The biggest chunk of cash spent this off-season was spent on the team’s biggest need – the net.

    Unfortunately he’s an unknown (to us) not to mention the voodoo factor, so it’s difficult to analyze the solution.

  33. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny,

    Your entire argument is based on your assumption about someone’s character. Chia is a bad GM because he’s a bad GM is begging the question

    I’m not going on assumptions of his character.

    I’m going on his established track record.

    When he traded Seguin the league was full of quotes from teams saying “I wish I knew he was available”

    Then we heard the same with Hall.

    How can I assume that Peter does his full due diligence on someone like Gryba when we have evidence that he didn’t with elite players?

    It seems to me you are the one who assumes Peter did the work as the starting point when his history tells us that is not a good assumption.

  34. Jethro Tull says:

    Munny:
    Jethro Tull,

    The biggest chunk of cash spent this off-season was spent on the team’s biggest need – the net.

    Unfortunately he’s an unknown (to us) not to mention the voodoo factor, so it’s difficult to analyze the solution.

    Certainly that is true….

  35. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Were there any legit sources that said that? Just wondering because I’ve heard bits here and there from Stauff/Spector that Hall was on the market by March 2016.

  36. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    You have one quote from an “eastern team exec” with zero context, reported by anti-Oiler eastern media and you are creating a narrative based off that.

    And this narrative you’re pushing isn’t accusing Chia of not doing due diligence w.r.t. Gryba, it’s accusing him of doing no diligence. Despite the fact no diligence harms both Chia and Gryba. People don’t typically act in that way.

    I am perfectly happy with not formulating my logic off hearsay. YMMV.

  37. godot10 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Know what’s really scary? That Chia believes we’re (a bottom 3rd NHL team, that happens to have the best player in the world on the roster) a Brodziak and a Reider away from being a contender. And some of you agree….

    I’m more scared of this scenario than an ill advised blockbuster trade. At least with them, you’re desperately trying to address need.

    That is not what we agree with.

    For the cap space available, and the roster problems the Oilers have, Rieder and Brodziak was a good July 1st. Stop gapping holes without creating new ones.

    This is what he didn’t do last summer.

    One can’t and shouldn’t expect miracles.

  38. Biggus Dickus says:

    deardylan:
    What other ex-oilers to bring back?Yak, Davidson.. ???!

    I’m hoping for Barzal/Connor and Debrincat.

  39. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Were there any legit sources that said that? Just wondering because I’ve heard bits here and there from Stauff/Spector that Hall was on the market by March 2016.

    I’ll try to dig it up.

  40. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10: That is not what we agree with.

    For the cap space available, and the roster problems the Oilers have,Rieder and Brodziak was a good July 1st.Stop gapping holes without creating new ones.

    This is what he didn’t do last summer.

    One can’t and shouldn’t expect miracles.

    Can’t wait for your #ThoroughlMediocreCoach isn’t using Reider properly posts.

  41. Jethro Tull says:

    Biggus Dickus: I’m hoping for Barzal/Connor and Debrincat.

    Sweet Zing! Props!

  42. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10,

    PS. It says “some of you.” If the toque fits….

  43. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’ll try to dig it up.

    I can recall a series of tweets from Travis Yost. It was a while ago, hard to remember

  44. Richard S.S. says:

    Peter Chiarelli said they were working on the Strom and Nurse extentions and they will get done. He’s not worried about the Cap. Two young people will be promoted to the team. Another forward will be signed. He’s talking about a trade before and will continue.

    Without Montoya and Gravel included on the Roster, 19 people are signed and the Oilers (all bonuses included) have about $6.37 Million left. Strome, Nurse, two young people and another forward makes 24 people and $3.0 – $5.0 Million or more over the Cap.

    This is going to be interesting.

  45. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’ll try to dig it up.

    From what I had heard is that the Oilers contacted teams that had top 4RHD they felt they could get and were willing to part with Hall

    The teams that had
    Shattenkirk
    Hamonic
    Ceci
    Larsson

    There might have been a few other teams but I don’t believe teams that were short on top 4 RHD or had none at all were contacted.

    One thing that I had heard is that there were two guys within management that did not want trade Hall.

    We may never know who that was but it would be something if one of those guys was Chia.

  46. Biggus Dickus says:

    Jethro Tull: Sweet Zing! Props!

    Thanks. I’ve worked long and hard to hold grudges like my great grandpa did after his 85th birthday.

  47. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny: Of course not when you’re comparing UFAs to an RFA. Come on.

    RFA wingers signed to approximately $2.95 and their pts/gm last 2 years:

    Baertschi 3 x $3.367 – 0.53
    Rust 4 x $3.5 – 0.52
    Domi 2 x $3.15 – 0.59

    That’s all I can find right now, so it seem like his bar is 0.50pts/gm

    That’s a good bet given he’ll walk into 2RW on that team.

  48. LadiesloveSmid says:

    frjohnk,

    Ristolainen was one too but BUF had no interest, allegedly

  49. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk: From what I had heard is that the Oilers contacted teams that had top 4RHD they felt they could get and were willing to part with Hall

    The teams that had
    Shattenkirk
    Hamonic
    Ceci
    Larsson

    There might have been a few other teams but I don’t believe teams that were short on top 4 RHD or had none at all were contacted.

    One thing that I had heard is that there were two guys within management that did not want trade Hall.

    We may never know who that was but it would be something if one of those guys was Chia.

    I actually think one of them was Chia if what I heard was correct.

    I find it hard to believe they only targeted those 4 players.

    You never know unless you ask.

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Know what’s really scary? That Chia believes we’re (a bottom 3rd NHL team, that happens to have the best player in the world on the roster) a Brodziak and a Reider away from being a contender. And some of you agree….

    I’m more scared of this scenario than an ill advised blockbuster trade. At least with them, you’re desperately trying to address need.

    I didn’t hear the word contender once in Chia’s presser and I don’t think I’ve read that in any comment on this thread.

    Seriously? Where are you getting that from or are you just looking to propagate a narrative? Honest question.

  51. square_wheels says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Chia definitely has to come up with something to fit Strome and Nurse into this cap. It could be a surprise move like Sekera or even Russell, but in all honesty he needs to go into the season with some breathing room, ideally 1-2M.

    Tomorrow might be the real fireworks, lets hope.

  52. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Munny,

    Your entire argument is based on your assumption about someone’s character. Chia is a bad GM because he’s a bad GM is begging the question

    I’m not going on assumptions of his character.

    I’m going on his established track record.

    When he traded Seguin the league was full of quotes from teams saying “I wish I knew he was available”

    Then we heard the same with Hall.

    How can I assume that Peter does his full due diligence on someone like Gryba when we have evidence that he did with elite players?

    It seems to me you are the one who assumes Peter did the work as the starting point when his history tells us that is not a good assumption.

    To be fair, I suspect this sentiment(saying you didn’t know someone was available) is also sometimes used as a press defense when another team gets a player.

    If someone’s apparently been stolen by division rival team, and a reporter asks about it, it’s a pretty good out to just claim that you didn’t know he was available, even in it’s a lie.

    That being said it seems with Chiarelli he has his trading partners and that’s that. Even in instances like the trade deadline he seems to stick to those guys, when there’s logically going to be narrower windows and smaller pools for deals.

    Jethro Tull: It’s really quite binary and indicative of the circular reasoning here sometimes. Either:

    A) This team has glaring holes on it’s roster that won’t be fixed by Brodziak and Reider, or,

    B) This team is close and just needs tweaking with astute depth signings like Brodziak and Reider.

    One of these is a dangerous delusion, that if true, is more frightening than the other….(It’s B)

    What’s binary is this interpretation, not what’s actually been said

    The most optimistic perspectives I’ve read in here today is making the playoffs with great goaltending and good health.

    A couple days back I drew up a projected roster and Kinger said something about cup-potential, but he was soft-trolling me.

    The most pessimistic one was probably frjohnk asking if Rieder was our 2nd best winger, which is hilariously worth contemplating.

    These are two good signings, but I’ll again pump the brakes on the notion that Chiarelli is good on the small stuff. He’d already made some bad bet longshot signings for the Condors, gambled hard on Koskinen, done the goodwill Gryba buyout, and signed Caggiula for too much too early, so he’s floating near average for me on minor moves this summer.

    He’s obviously markedly stronger than a /certain/ some other GM’s at tweaking and is better at it than he is gunslinging, but he ends up getting more credit that he deserves via that comparison imo.

  53. Alpine says:

    Jethro Tull: It’s really quite binary and indicative of the circular reasoning here sometimes. Either:

    A) This team has glaring holes on it’s roster that won’t be fixed by Brodziak and Reider, or,

    B) This team is close and just needs tweaking with astute depth signings like Brodziak and Reider.

    One of these is a dangerous delusion, that if true, is more frightening than the other….(It’s B)

    Did Chia say something about contending today? Because if he thinks that we’re there due to today’s moves then I agree with your take.

    But I also think said glaring holes that exist on the roster are best left to be filled reasonably and not with sending heavy amounts of assets or cap space out the door. Not sure how glaring those holes are and how many couldn’t be filled by internal options (Puljujarvi, maybe Benning) or regression to the meat (Talbot, Klef, Sekera).

  54. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    It’s a bet for sure, but that’s a bar he hasn’t yet climbed over in the NHL and just barely scraped over last season in the KHL.

    And the point here was you declaiming Nill as a wunder-GM with this signing. If the comps have done more and in this League, than this signing proves little as to whether Nill is better or worse than “replacement-GM”.

  55. Professor Q says:

    Ben: Rieder’s on the Strome (line)?

    Except it’s pronounced Reader!

  56. Alpine says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I actually think one of them was Chia if what I heard was correct.

    I find it hard to believe they only targeted those 4 players.

    You never know unless you ask.

    I’ve hypothesized that some of the more prominent OBC members (cough MacT) didn’t like Hall and likely were happy to move him. But Chia has also traded that player type multiple times before. Hard to say who was the driving force there. I know they were almost certainly not moving Drai or Nurse and look who drafted those two.

  57. Pescador says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Part of me thinks Lucic is gone tomorrow, in a Horcoff-esque trade e.g. Larsen + 7th rounder.

    Then Maroon is offered a contract. 3 x 3.5-4M

    I don’t believe Looch is going anywhere, if that is the case it will say a lot about what other GM’s around the league think of him. Plus how many teams can actually afford to add that albatross contract to their cap?
    I believe Lucid will be better next season but sadly not much

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Peter Chiarelli said they were working on the Strom and Nurse extentions and they will get done.He’s not worried about the Cap.Two young people will be promoted to the team.Another forward will be signed. He’s talking about a trade before and will continue.

    Without Montoya and Gravel included on the Roster, 19 people are signed and the Oilers (all bonuses included) have about $6.37 Million left. Strome, Nurse, two young people and another forward makes 24 people and $3.0 – $5.0 Million or more over the Cap.

    This is going to be interesting.

    The following roster (only 22 players) has a cap hit of $77.9M which leaves $1,578,834 of cap space.

    It includes $2.5M of bonuses, I think that’s all JP and we can probably knock $1M off leaving apx $2.5M of cap space and the ability to add 1 player to the lineup.

    I’ve included Strome at $3M and Nurse at $3.5:

    Nuge/McDavid/Rattie
    Khaira/Drai/Jesse
    Lucic/Strome/ Rieder
    Caggulia/Brodziak/Kass

    Aberg

    Klef/Larsson
    Nurse/Benning
    Sekera/Russell

    Gravel

  59. Jethro Tull says:

    Wilde,

    The interpretation was supposed to be binary, with the qualifying word being ‘sometimes’.

    What do these signings actually mean? That we have no-one in the system capable of 3/4C or 3/4 RW and Bouchard is pencilled in for opening night roster. Which is effin’ bonkers. His partner will be Rusty or broken Seksy. No decent vet coverage unless he’s with Klefbom from 2 seasons ago, in which case, he’s on your top line. Jultz all over again.

  60. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: I can recall a series of tweets from Travis Yost. It was a while ago, hard to remember

    Here’s a link to the tweet: https://twitter.com/travisyost/status/748245395394813952

    Now, if this executive was on a team with meh RHD then it doesn’t matter.

    We also have all seen the video of Peter negotiation against himself with Nill on Seguin.

    “We’d like a first but you don’t have one so I guess a second is ok”

  61. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Khaira/Drai/Jesse

    I like that.

  62. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Khaira/Drai/Jesse

    I like that.

    FWIW:

    Last year 16-29
    168 min
    55.4% CF
    53.3% GF
    55.6% SCF
    56.4% HDCF

    That’s a good start.

  63. Wilde says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Speaking of that, I did want to note that I’d put Bouchard’s chances of making the opening night team at well above 50% based on what Peter said today and the way he said it. Anyone else get that vibe?

    I’ve said this before, but the Bouchard situation is so easy. send him down after or during 9, or don’t have him make the team at all, then he’s on the opening night roster 2019-20 and you have a player for a long, long time. Literally the only way to fuck this up is to put him in the NHL immediately.

  64. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0: FWIW:

    Last year 16-29
    168 min
    55.4% CF
    53.3% GF
    55.6% SCF
    56.4% HDCF

    That’s a good start.

    This was after Nuge was out and before Todd grabbed his blankie, if I recally correctl, so they were probably getting 2nd comp as well. Pretty good.

  65. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny,

    And the point here was you declaiming Nill as a wunder-GM

    My actual words in my original post:

    Nice deal by Nill there.

    You may want to re-read what I actually write before putting words in my mouth.

    Don’t let your dislike of me cause you to create straw men to beat down, you’re too smart for that.

  66. Gerta Rauss says:

    Wilde: Speaking of that, I did want to note that I’d put Bouchard’s chances of making the opening night team at well above 50% based on what Peter said today and the way he said it. Anyone else get that vibe?

    Yes

  67. Gerta Rauss says:

    Sounds like Luke Schenn signs with ANA 1 year $800k

  68. blainer says:

    Wilde:
    Jethro Tull,

    Speaking of that, I did want to note that I’d put Bouchard’s chances of making the opening night team at well above 50% based on what Peter said today and the way he said it. Anyone else get that vibe?

    I’ve said this before, but the Bouchard situation is so easy. send him down after or during 9, or don’t have him make the team at all, then he’s on the opening night roster 2019-20 and you have a player for a long, long time. Literally the only way to fuck this up is to put him in the NHL immediately.

    I also got that vibe.

    I do expect him on the opening night roster and it isn’t always the oilers way with D to put them in the league in the draft year as we saw with Nurse. They slow played him for sure as he was absolutely NOT ready.

    I’m not so sure about Bouchard. Nurse never had that shot and was younger than Bouchard in his draft year.

    The correct play is to send him back but I can see that boomer of a shot getting through on the PP a fair bit and IF that happens he is here to stay…

    I also think Mcleod makes the team sometime in 19/20.

  69. The Trade Guy says:

    Want to be on record as being fine with this free agency so far. Raise the floor. Last decade the oilers have made some good floor raising moves that ended up sucking (Belanger, Korpikoski) but I like the bets.

  70. jm363561 says:

    Good morning from Manila. 463 posts and counting is a lot of work! Just texted my secretary to clear my diary for an hour. From what I have read there is this surreal elation we have picked up a 4C and a middle six RW that speaks German. Anyone not familiar with this web site would wonder why on earth is all the High Fiving about. Chia really has terrified us all with his deal.

    Looch goes tomorrow is my bet. I wish him well.

  71. Biggus Dickus says:

    Has anybody addressed the fact that today confirmed that the Oilers traded Reider for Kesey of their own accord? It may have been over a couple $100k, but his signing shows that he wasn’t unwilling to sign here.

  72. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0: We also have all seen the video of Peter negotiation against himself with Nill on Seguin.
    “We’d like a first but you don’t have one so I guess a second is ok”

    Really, you know it was Nill on the line? How do you know this? No pics changed hands in that trade. He also ended that conversation with saying “we’d listen to it” (paraphrasing). As in not-a-done-deal.

  73. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Don’t let your dislike of me cause you to create straw men to beat down, you’re too smart for that.

    Dislike for you? What are you talking about? Pease don’t get all defensive, you’re too smart for that. And that’s not your one and only comment on Nill’s prowess on this blog btw.

    My point is that it is not a “nice” deal. That there really isn’t anything particularly exceptional about it to deserve compliment.

  74. Munny says:

    Wilde: Speaking of that, I did want to note that I’d put Bouchard’s chances of making the opening night team at well above 50% based on what Peter said today and the way he said it. Anyone else get that vibe?

    Yes, but I had that vibe prior to today’s presser.

    #becauseOilers

  75. Richard S.S. says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I include no one unsigned. I include no one that probably won’t make the Team, likely Montoya and Gravel. I get actual numbers and go from there.

  76. Wilde says:

    blainer: I also got that vibe.

    I do expect him on the opening night roster and it isn’t always the oilers way with D to put them in the league in the draft year as we saw with Nurse. They slow played him for sure as he was absolutely NOT ready.

    I’m not so sure about Bouchard. Nurse never had that shot and was younger than Bouchard in his draft year.

    The correct play is to send him back but I can see that boomer of a shot getting through on the PP a fair bit and IF that happens he is here to stay…

    I also think Mcleod makes the team sometime in 19/20.

    I think the thing with Bouchard that makes him ready when the Oilers have the puck is his coldblooded poise. Guy’s a sociopathic puckmover.

    There’s just so much on the line to be fucking around and putting him in the NHL immediately though. He’s the last piece of the puzzle on defense. Don’t mess this up, and you have your top 4 for years, 3 of em homegrown. Larsson won’t command much of a raise due to production, Klefbom is signed for ages, Nurse could pretty easily be bridged and then gamed into ~5M, and Bouchard’s ELC won’t have even begun.

    The difference between bungling it and turning him into discount Mike Green, as opposed to him blossoming into an all-situations top-4 defender is massive for the future of this team.

    As for McLeod, he’s got legit skill and I actually hope they don’t try too hard to change him from being a ‘perimeter player’. Barzal even had that label. It’s perfectly possible to create offense in the NHL from the use of outside lanes to sow chaos before finding the seams, if you’ve got the skating and the vision and the hands. He does.

  77. Biggus Dickus says:

    Wilde:
    Jethro Tull,

    Speaking of that, I did want to note that I’d put Bouchard’s chances of making the opening night team at well above 50% based on what Peter said today and the way he said it. Anyone else get that vibe?

    I’ve said this before, but the Bouchard situation is so easy. send him down after or during 9, or don’t have him make the team at all, then he’s on the opening night roster 2019-20 and you have a player for a long, long time. Literally the only way to fuck this up is to put him in the NHL immediately.

    He’s one of those players who doesn’t need to beat up on junior for another year. If it were me, I’d be trying to find a way to get him into Europe or NCAA. I think he might genuinely be ready for an NHL role (Ahead of Bear), but we’ll see.

  78. Primetime says:

    OReilly to Blues

  79. The Trade Guy says:

    Biggus Dickus: He’s one of those players who doesn’t need to beat up on junior for another year. If it were me, I’d be trying to find a way to get him into Europe or NCAA. I think he might genuinely be ready for an NHL role (Ahead of Bear), but we’ll see.

    Playing in the CHL makes you ineligible for the NCAA.

    Seems like playing in Europe is fine but not necessarily better and I don’t know if the Oilers are going to be trailblazers battling the CHL’s racket.

  80. Wilde says:

    Biggus Dickus: He’s one of those players who doesn’t need to beat up on junior for another year. If it were me, I’d be trying to find a way to get him into Europe or NCAA. I think he might genuinely be ready for an NHL role (Ahead of Bear), but we’ll see.

    I agree, but if you could get away with this, teams would be doing it with all of their September-Novermber birthdays and other elite CHL prospects. Yamamoto would have been helped by this last year.

    I don’t know the actual terms and details of the CHL deal, but I don’t think it can be done.

  81. Primetime says:

    Wilde:
    Jethro Tull,

    Speaking of that, I did want to note that I’d put Bouchard’s chances of making the opening night team at well above 50% based on what Peter said today and the way he said it. Anyone else get that vibe?

    Not sure I got the same vibe…in fact I thought he was quite deliberate to say he is not in the market for a “HIGH END” Right shot defence man. I took it as “I have the future in Bouchard, now I just need a stop gap for a year”. Otherwise, why specify “High end”.

    In reality, we are all guessing trying to read Chia’s mind, but for now I’ll go with …..FRANSON!!!!

  82. Munny says:

    Woodguy, to be clear… If I didn’t appreciate you and your posts, I wouldn’t read them.

    If I express disagreement with your thoughts, it’s because I think you can take disagreement, which can be a rare thing on the net. And that I trust your intelligence.

    I was hoping you were engaging on the same basis.

    Apologies if I’ve offended today in some way.

  83. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny: Dislike for you? What are you talking about?Pease don’t get all defensive, you’re too smart for that.And that’s not your one and only comment on Nill’s prowess on this blog btw.

    My point is that it is not a “nice” deal. That there really isn’t anything particularly exceptional about it to deserve compliment.

    Its interesting that you totally ignore when I give Nill crap for his shitty taste in goalies.

    Your point is now “nice deal” isn’t particularly nice and not “wunder-GM”

    Maybe I’ll just wait and you’ll come down to “nice” mean “nice”

  84. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    BUF gets 1st in 19, 2nd in 21, Tage Thompson, Vladimir Sobotka,Patrick Berglund for Ryan O’Reilly. No salary retained. STL pays ROR signing bonus.

    As per McKenzie tweet

  85. Primetime says:

    The Trade Guy: Playing in the CHL makes you ineligible for the NCAA.

    Seems like playing in Europe is fine but not necessarily better and I don’t know if the Oilers are going to be trailblazers battling the CHL’s racket.

    Actually, I think the Oilers were the ONLY team to try and battle the CHL’s racket. I seem to recall that they were trying to send Nail back to Russia to play during the lockout and Sarnia refused, as they held his rights and wanted him to come back…even if it was just until the lockout was over.

    https://nationalpost.com/sports/hockey/nhl/nail-yakupov-khl-return-russia-hockey-canada-nhl-lockout

    Interesting that Hockey Canada launched the fight on Sarnia’s behalf, but then changed it’s mind based on deeming that a 17 year old didn’t have independent legal council when signing his CHL contract so they let him go. The person most likely to have come to, or at least agreed with the conclusion at the time had to be Bob Nicholson…If anyone would think it’s ok to go to Europe rather than back to junior, it may be Burger Bob.

  86. LadiesloveSmid says:

    ROR trade kills Berglund for Lucic dream. Also adding 4M in Perron.

  87. Munny says:

    Wilde: I think the thing with Bouchard that makes him ready when the Oilers have the puck is his coldblooded poise. Guy’s a sociopathic puckmover.

    Nice turn of phrase.

    He doesn’t really need a fourth year of Junior. Wish there was an “exceptional” status for the AHL. Europe seems far and has less developmental control. Debut 9er and Junior seems like the only path forward. Unless they blow a year to give him a longer audition, 20-40 games and see.

  88. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny:
    Woodguy, to be clear… If I didn’t appreciate you and your posts, I wouldn’t read them.

    If I express disagreement with your thoughts, it’s because I think you can take disagreement, which can be a rare thing on the net.And that I trust your intelligence.

    I was hoping you were engaging on the same basis.

    Apologies if I’ve offended today in some way.

    No apology necessary.

    I enjoy defending my posts/thoughts as it adds clarity and can cause me to re-think my assumptiions and learn something new.

    It’s all good.

    The “wunder-GM” was a misrepresentation of my position so I called it out.

    It’s my perception that you’ve disputed my posts lately and I took that to mean you enjoyed taking the piss out of me regardless of the content.

    If I’m wrong on that, I apologize.

    I enjoy engaging you as well.

  89. Biggus Dickus says:

    Primetime: Actually, I think the Oilers were the ONLY team to try and battle the CHL’s racket.I seem to recall that they were trying to send Nail back to Russia to play during the lockout and Sarnia refused, as they held his rights and wanted him to come back…even if it was just until the lockout was over.

    https://nationalpost.com/sports/hockey/nhl/nail-yakupov-khl-return-russia-hockey-canada-nhl-lockout

    Interesting that Hockey Canada launched the fight on Sarnia’s behalf, but then changed it’s mind based on deeming that a 17 year old didn’t have independent legal council when signing his CHL contract so they let him go.The person most likely to have come to, or at least agreed with the conclusion at the time had to be Bob Nicholson…If anyone would think it’s ok to go to Europe rather than back to junior, it may be Burger Bob.

    An interesting wrinkle. Sounds to me like there isn’t much the CHL can do to prevent a player from leaving to go to a league that they haven’t signed an agreement with. I think NHL teams are hesitant to send a player somewhere where they can’t watch them closely. I wonder if the Oilers would be willing to try sending him to Jokerit.

    I think I knew the NCAA rule, but forgot.

  90. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Primetime,

    FRANSON!!!!

    Well now you’re gonna get LT all excited

  91. Richard S.S. says:

    The Oilers’ APP/Site has the “9” things Peter Chiarelli talked about listed if anyone is interested.

  92. rickithebear says:

    leadfarmer: Don’t get fooled.Pens won because their forwards were committed to helping out the D in their own end which made a pretty poor D pretty good as a unit. There are plenty of teams with crappy defensemen and guess what.The team is crap. Don’t see Nylander Marner having that kind of commitment. At least not yet
    I’d still take the Jets forwards over the Leafs.Tampa’s forwards as a whole are fairly close.
    They will score a lot of goals that’s for sure and will be a good competitor
    They will definitely be a contender

    Problem is that occurred under the current coach.
    They still had good HD results from the d before that.
    Murray replacing Fluery and collapsing down as pit did greatly increased the 0% corsi rate.

    We parallel each other in play mechanisms all over the ice.
    But we are on different islands re HD.

    I have really enjoyed your posts.
    But I am going to get that HD cringe at some point while reading.

  93. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Its interesting that you totally ignore when I give Nill crap for his shitty taste in goalies.

    You give him plenty of credit otherwise, IIRC. Forgive me for over-estimating how much “nice” you intended. 😉

    Seriously though, generally when people take the time to compliment another GM’s move, they mean more than just the plainest version of “nice”. You were read in that vein. As if you were emphasizing the word nice, if you had spoken the words.

    And another discussion reduced to semantics on the net, lol. Gord. What are the odds?

  94. OriginalPouzar says:

    Biggus Dickus:
    Has anybody addressed the fact that today confirmed that the Oilers traded Reider for Kesey of their own accord? It may have been over a couple $100k, but his signing shows that he wasn’t unwilling to sign here.

    I don’t think the circumstances relating to his trade in 2013 have any bearing on his willingness to sign today. That was 5 years ago.

  95. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0: If I’m wrong on that, I apologize.

    All good here too, brother.

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    Richard S.S.:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I include no one unsigned.I include no one that probably won’t make the Team, likely Montoya and Gravel.I get actual numbers and go from there.

    My numbers are from capfriendly and 100% correct.

    Do you require me to show my work?

  97. Primetime says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Primetime,

    FRANSON!!!!

    Well now you’re gonna get LT all excited

    Just trying to get the Canada Day fireworks started early!

  98. The Trade Guy says:

    Primetime: Actually, I think the Oilers were the ONLY team to try and battle the CHL’s racket.I seem to recall that they were trying to send Nail back to Russia to play during the lockout and Sarnia refused, as they held his rights and wanted him to come back…even if it was just until the lockout was over.

    https://nationalpost.com/sports/hockey/nhl/nail-yakupov-khl-return-russia-hockey-canada-nhl-lockout

    Interesting that Hockey Canada launched the fight on Sarnia’s behalf, but then changed it’s mind based on deeming that a 17 year old didn’t have independent legal council when signing his CHL contract so they let him go.The person most likely to have come to, or at least agreed with the conclusion at the time had to be Bob Nicholson…If anyone would think it’s ok to go to Europe rather than back to junior, it may be Burger Bob.

    That’s fair. I suspect the Oilers response would be that he would be with the Oilers if there wasn’t a lockout, so let the man make money.

  99. Wilde says:

    I think your opinion on the O’Reilly return depends on what you think of Tage Thompson.

    The Avalanche got an extra 3rd round pick, Shane Bowers who is about as good a prospect as Tage Thompson was, another B prospect in Kamenev, didn’t take any money back, and oh, Sammy fucking Girard for Duchene.

    So it lines up like this:

    1st
    2nd
    3rd
    A prospect
    B prospect
    B prospect
    AHL goalie

    vs

    1st
    2nd
    B prospect
    bad money forward
    roster player

    Yikes.

  100. Lowetide says:

    Did someone say Franson?

  101. Munny says:

    ROR trade has Isles, Habs, SJS out in the cold.

    Karlsson trade possibly pending. Panarin…

    Might be an active week.

  102. Gerta Rauss says:

    Munny: Debut 9er and Junior seems like the only path forward. Unless they blow a year to give him a longer audition, 20-40 games and see.

    The Pietrangelo treatment has been suggested: 9 games stretched over several weeks (ie:not playing every night)…practices with the team, road trips, then to the World Jrs then returned to junior, and fingers crossed a Mem cup appearance

    I’m not sure the Oilers have the discipline, and worse yet, Bouchard may demonstrate he’s one of the 6 best D at the NHL level

  103. Primetime says:

    Lowetide:
    Did someone say Franson?

    Like a moth to a flame…

  104. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lowetide:
    Did someone say Franson?

    lol

  105. The Trade Guy says:

    Oilers sign Franson and may as well shut down the site.

  106. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss: I’m not sure the Oilers have the discipline, and worse yet, Bouchard may demonstrate he’s one of the 6 best D at the NHL level

    The biggest factor in favour of sending him back might be cap space. Judging by
    OriginalPouzar‘s numbers above, swapping Gravel for Bouchard is likely to put us over with ELC bonuses accounted for (including discounting JP by $1M).

  107. Professor Q says:

    What a crazy day to come home from work to.

    My Danes lost in penalties to Croatia, Tavares goes to Toronto, so many trades, aya. Hard to keep up with it all.

    LeBron to Lakers! Toronto rejoices.

  108. The Trade Guy says:

    Good day for Toronto. LeBron going west… Now get Ellington and jettison Ibaka anywhere!

  109. Wilde says:

    Wait, Sobotka was making 3.5M too??

    Did the Sabres just take on more money than they sent out, AND not get any of the Blues top prospects?

    ????

  110. The Trade Guy says:

    Wilde:
    Wait, Sobotka was making 3.5M too??

    Did the Sabres just take on more money than they sent out, AND not get any of the Blues top prospects?

    ????

    Sabres are Oilers east.

  111. jzed says:

    Well, Oilers are done now. Time for the players to keep training like demons, show up in the fall full to the brim with piss ‘n vinegar. Time for he coaches to figure out who will be on PP and PK and how to shelter Bouchard. Time for the rest of us to enjoy what’s left of summer (this is Alberta). See you in September!

  112. godot10 says:

    Buffalo got St. Louis to pay the massive bonus, established NHL players, a good prospect, and two high draft picks. They also got established players from Pittsburgh.

    They need established players to give cover for their young players. They have their own very good prospects who need to play with established players. They didn’t particularly need more young prospects at the moment.

  113. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide:
    Did someone say Franson?

    Err, nope, we said LT’s handsome. Definitely not Franson. No siree.

  114. dmjkrash says:

    First time poster, been following for years. Thank you Lowetide for everything Oilers all these years and contributing to my obsession with my phone. Quietly a good day for Edmonton, perhaps more to come tomorrow with Lucic. Could we squeeze MPS onto the team somehow? Always loved his speed and would be another cheap winger who could fit on many of the lines and push some of our high end drafts on to the farm for a year maybe. Slowly we have been building up the balance you have been preaching all these years. Bakersfield could be strong this year too so an exciting year I think.

  115. LadiesloveSmid says:

    dmjkrash,

    Magnus recently re-signed in OTT on a 1 year deal I believe.

  116. Munny says:

    The Trade Guy:
    Oilers sign Franson and may as well shut down the site.

    They think Capfriendly struggled with the Tavares traffic, just wait…

  117. YKOil says:

    godot10:
    Buffalo got St. Louis to pay the massive bonus,established NHL players, a good prospect, and two high draft picks.They also got established players from Pittsburgh.

    They need established players to give cover for their young players.They have their own very good prospects who need to play with established players. They didn’t particularly need more young prospects at the moment.

    I get what you are saying and don’t think Buffalo tanked the trade at all (the prospect and the 1st gives them a solid chance to win the trade imo) but I still REALLY like this trade for St. Louis. The Blues come out of free agency with one of the best core groups in the NHL (Tarasenko, O’Reilly, Schenn, Pietrangelo and Parayko).

    If anything, I don’t like the signings of Bozak and Perron. St. Louis needs a goalie.

  118. Munny says:

    Isles sign Filppula.

  119. Wilde says:

    godot10:
    Buffalo got St. Louis to pay the massive bonus,established NHL players, a good prospect, and two high draft picks.They also got established players from Pittsburgh.

    They need established players to give cover for their young players.They have their own very good prospects who need to play with established players. They didn’t particularly need more young prospects at the moment.

    Blues were trying to dump Berglund and Sobotka all year. You could literally get assets for taking those players on. If you need established players to play with young players and don’t mind if they have bad contracts, you should still be getting extra assets for them.

    Those guys were negative assets. You could get a 2nd for taking those on. Grab that second out of the return, and it’s a B prospect and a pick for a star centre. That’s a disaster.

    And the Sabres absolutely do need more good young prospects. There’s no limit on those. Alex Nylander is struggling, Guhle and Pu are the only guys posting potential numbers, Rochester’s full of veterans and the NHL team is absolutely ghastly.

    I don’t even know how ridiculously good Middlestadt has to be to round out a decent young core in Buffalo. They’re missing at least 2 potential top-4 dman prospects and at least 3 potential skill wingers.

    Risolainen is looking like a 3rd pairing PP specialist. Sam Reinhart a middle-6 winger. They need top-end potential players or they’re gonna be Ottawa.

  120. Pescador says:

    YKOil: I get what you are saying and don’t think Buffalo tanked the trade at all (the prospect and the 1st gives them a solid chance to win the trade imo) but I still REALLY like this trade for St. Louis.The Blues come out of free agency with one of the best core groups in the NHL (Tarasenko, O’Reilly, Schenn, Pietrangelo and Parayko).

    If anything, I don’t like the signings of Bozak and Perron.St. Louis needs a goalie.

    Well it just so happens we have an extra one of those,
    I mean if their core is as good as you say,
    they should be able to win a cup with Montoya
    😆
    Edit: I wouldn’t let him go for less then a conditional 5th

  121. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Do the oil have $7M in cap space, not including Pulju’s potential bonuses?

    They really must have a move up their sleeves tomorrow if they plan on signing Strome & Nurse. Need to dump a couple of Lucic, Russell, Caggiula, Kassian

  122. DBO says:

    So Carolina still has skinner to move. Expect that trade cost went up for teams like San Jose, etc who missed on free agency.

    Still wonder if a Lucic and prospect or pick for Faulk deal is out there. And a dman heading away like Russell or sekera to free up a space.

  123. Wilde says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Do the oil have $7M in cap space, not including Pulju’s potential bonuses?

    They really must have a move up their sleeves tomorrow if they plan on signing Strome & Nurse. Need to dump a couple of Lucic, Russell, Caggiula, Kassian

    They were apparently close on a deal that fizzled out. I’d guess there’s a move sometime this week.

  124. Munny says:

    LeBrun’s take on the ROR swap:

    Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun · 2h2 hours ago


    1st 2019. 2nd 2021. Tage Thompson. Sobotka. Berglund. That is a major return for the Sabres. I get why the Blues did it, they add ROR and Bozak today and they’re a better team. But given the midnight pressure to deal ROR, impressive by Jason Botterill

  125. razor says:

    With all the glaring holes for teams in centre out there (esp. those chasing Tavares) I can think of no better time to get max value on a RNH trade. Pacioretty anyone?

  126. Richard S.S. says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    My numbers are from Cap Friendly also. I list those who are signed, but not RFAs or their estimates. I exclude players I expect to not be on the Roster. Your numbers are perfectly fine for who you have on the Roster. We just differ a bit there.

    My idea was that Strom, Nurse, two new promotions (Yamamoto and possibly Bouchard) and one more Forward signed all need to be fitted under the Cap. That’s too many men on the Roster and not enough money..

  127. Andy Dufresne says:

    Lowetide:
    That 2011 draft (Nuge, Klefbom, Rieder) is one of the best in recent decades, it’ll be nice to see these three men together.

    You see! Chia made the 2011 draft better. He just keeps on fixing the mistakes made by the previous administration. 🙂

  128. godot10 says:

    razor:
    With all the glaring holes for teams in centre out there (esp. those chasing Tavares) I can think of no better time to get max value on a RNH trade. Pacioretty anyone?

    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is 25 entering his prime on a good contract, and McDavid scores at a 50 plus goal pace with him. Pacioretty will be 30 in November and is about to fall off the Lucic cliff and only has one year left on his contract, and required to be paid more then Nugent-Hopkins.

    Stanley Cups are won with the guts of their team between 25-30. For the last decade the Oilers have had a void in this age range.

  129. Wilde says:

    Duclair’s still out there. Shed Kassian and sign him, and I won’t dump on Chiarelli until Christmas.

  130. Westchester Oil says:

    Munny:
    Isles sign Filppula.

    Tavares – Filppula, what’s the difference? 🙂

  131. Lowetide says:

    The Blues made a great deal tonight in my opinion.

  132. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Now have a look at the production of players making $2.95MM

    McDavid produced on an ELC at $3.775m………………just kidding.

    I get your point. Fair to say hes a reasonable bet that involves some risk? 2 years out of NHL and quit on Dallas once already?…..But if hes grown up / had an attitude adjustment (as life does to all of us from time to time) then he stands a fighters chance at making a successful return to the big league. I just dont think its a slam dunk.

  133. Andy Dufresne says:

    Lowetide:
    The Blues made a great deal tonight in my opinion.

    the oh so rare 5 for 1……….whens the last time that happened……Eric Lindros?? 🙂

  134. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Andy Dufresne: the of so rare5 for 1……….whens the last time that happened……Eric Lindros??

    Michael Grabner

  135. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Wilde:
    Duclair’s still out there. Shed Kassian and sign him, and I won’t dump on Chiarelli until Christmas.

    I’d love that but I don’t think they’d afford Strome & Nurse.

    Stauff mentioned Carolina as maybe a desination for Kassian. Wonder who they’d send the other way

  136. Wilde says:

    LadiesloveSmid: I’d love that but I don’t think they’d afford Strome & Nurse.

    Stauff mentioned Carolina as maybe a desination for Kassian. Wonder who they’d send the other way

    Duclair was at 1.2M and got walked, if you get him for 950k and lose Kassian then you’ve got room for bonuses and that’s it, which I’d be fine with.

    I think bridging Nurse is the better move even if it wasn’t forced financially, to be honest. he had a strange year that I’m still trying to get a full view on.

  137. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Wilde: Duclair was at 1.2M and got walked, if you get him for 950k and lose Kassian then you’ve got room for bonuses and that’s it, which I’d be fine with.

    I think bridging Nurse is the better move even if it wasn’t forced by financials, to be honest. he had a strange year.

    I’d personally be surprised if he only got 950K. Strome has to get 3M, Nurse on a bridge will probably be ~3Mx2. Leaves 1M cap space for Duclair but none for bonuses.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Do the oil have $7M in cap space, not including Pulju’s potential bonuses?

    They really must have a move up their sleeves tomorrow if they plan on signing Strome & Nurse. Need to dump a couple of Lucic, Russell, Caggiula, Kassian

    They have apx $10.5M without taking in to account bonuses.

  139. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: My numbers are from capfriendly and 100% correct.

    Do you require me to show my work?

    I thought I was the only nit who demanded that?

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    razor:
    With all the glaring holes for teams in centre out there (esp. those chasing Tavares) I can think of no better time to get max value on a RNH trade. Pacioretty anyone?

    I don’t think substituting Nuge for Max P. makes the team better let alone trading 3 years of term for 1 year of term.

    Yikes.

  141. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He spent time last year with Stepan (1st)m Dvorak (2nd) or Domi (3rd) as his C

    He was a 5% CF drag on Stepan which suggests that’s above his established ability (which is fine, Stepan played the toughs)

    He was only a drag by ~1% with either Domi/Dvorak so that’s more his established level. (2nd & 3rd line duty)

    Listening to Chiarelli…..he was asked about Rieder playing right wing…..and he hesitated….then said ..yeah..he CAN play RW…..then went on to praise his penalty killing and speed. Seemed like he was thinking about him more as a left winger.

    Then in a phone interview with Rieder….Rieder said several things that sounded like he is confident that he’ll be playing top 6. Spoke of his experience playing with Drai internationally and repeated a few times how the Oilers have a couple of guys that will/would make his game better…its easier playing with that kind of talent…….and how his speed will be a factor etc….

  142. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Steve Kournianos (@TheDraftAnalyst) on Thompson:

    Tage Thompson was a late-2016 first rounder. Big kid, slick stickhandler and a heavy shot. Still developing IMO, but Blues could afford to lose him since they have so many blue-chip forwards. I’d say Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin and Bokk are more valuable/less expendable.

    Jeremy Rutherford (@jprutherford – STL beat writer)
    The Blues gave Buffalo a big package for ROR (including paying the $7.5 million signing bonus), but they’ve been trying to unload Berglund/Sobotka for a while. Plus, they don’t give up Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin, etc. #stlblues

    STL actually sheds 750K in salary in the deal.

    Sobatka was 5th in 5v5 TOI/gm, Berglund was 7th.

    STL wins the trade in a walk as BUF needs Thompson to pan out AND hit on the pick to make it close.

    BUF didn’t get a replacement for their tough minute C and that’s a big hole to fill.

    ROR was cover for their kids, now they need more help in that regard.

  143. Andy Dufresne says:

    jzed:
    Well, Oilers are done now. Time for the players to keep training like demons, show up in the fall full to the brim with piss ‘n vinegar. Time for he coaches to figure out who will beon PP and PK and how to shelter Bouchard. Time for the rest of us to enjoy what’s left of summer (this is Alberta). See you inSeptember!

    The player Im most interested in hearing how training is going is Jessie Puljujarvi. Where is he training and with who? What is he working on? etc If anybody hears, sees or reads something…please post…

  144. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Steve Kournianos (@TheDraftAnalyst) on Thompson:

    Tage Thompson was a late-2016 first rounder. Big kid, slick stickhandler and a heavy shot. Still developing IMO, but Blues could afford to lose him since they have so many blue-chip forwards. I’d say Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin and Bokk are more valuable/less expendable.

    Jeremy Rutherford (@jprutherford – STL beat writer)
    The Blues gave Buffalo a big package for ROR (including paying the $7.5 million signing bonus), but they’ve been trying to unload Berglund/Sobotka for a while. Plus, they don’t give up Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin, etc. #stlblues

    STL actually sheds 750K in salary in the deal.

    Sobatka was 5th in 5v5 TOI/gm, Berglund was 7th.

    STL wins the trade in a walk as BUF needs Thompson to pan out AND hit on the pick to make it close.

    BUF didn’t get a replacement for their tough minute C and that’s a big hole to fill.

    ROR was cover for their kids, now they need more help in that regard.

    Now because Buf traded RoR to StL that 2019 1st may turn from 18 OV to 25th.
    Not a huge deal except when you consider how much it costs to move from 25 to 18.
    Usually 25 plus a 3rd and a 5th gets you to 18.

  145. Pescador says:

    Andy Dufresne: Listening to Chiarelli…..he was asked about Rieder playing right wing…..and he hesitated….then said ..yeah..he CAN play RW…..then went on to praise his penalty killing and speed.Seemed like he was thinking about him more as a left winger.

    Then in a phone interview with Rieder….Rieder said several things that sounded like he is confident that he’ll be playing top 6. Spoke of his experience playing with Drai internationally and repeated a few times how the Oilers have a couple of guys that will/would make his game better…its easier playing with that kind of talent…….and how his speed will be a factor etc….

    Rieder Draisaitl Puljujarvi
    Lucic. Strome. Khaira

  146. Primetime says:

    Pescador: Rieder DraisaitlPuljujarvi
    Lucic. Strome.Khaira

    Agree with the first line listed.

    Have to believe Drake would play RW on that Strome line, and hopefully limit minutes and opponents
    Khaira-Brodziak-Kassian would be the defacto hard minutes “3rd line” and face the toughs

  147. Zelepukin says:

    Andy Dufresne: Listening to Chiarelli…..he was asked about Rieder playing right wing…..and he hesitated….then said ..yeah..he CAN play RW…..then went on to praise his penalty killing and speed.Seemed like he was thinking about him more as a left winger.

    Then in a phone interview with Rieder….Rieder said several things that sounded like he is confident that he’ll be playing top 6. Spoke of his experience playing with Drai internationally and repeated a few times how the Oilers have a couple of guys that will/would make his game better…its easier playing with that kind of talent…….and how his speed will be a factor etc….

    Well let’s be honest, Rattie is not going to stay on the top line for very long. Maybe not even 3 periods before we start experimenting with who of the new kids can hang with Nuge and McD.

  148. N64 says:

    Reider. Check.
    Brodiak. Check.
    Davidson. LT why do you have Evan?

  149. slopitch says:

    OP I don’t think many here think the oilers are contenders this year. They may be closer to the 103 pt team than they showed last year but they are 1 impact f, 1 RHD and 2 wing upgrades out imo. It’s possible these deficiencies are in the system meaning they are 1-2 years out. For now they are well behind Nashville and the Jets in the West. Work to be done but the core is solid. Today may be as good as you could hope for given where they are cap wise. Not willing to debate the Hall trade or Russel contract today 🙂

  150. Pescador says:

    Primetime: Agree with the first line listed.

    Have to believe Drake would play RW on that Strome line, and hopefully limit minutes and opponents
    Khaira-Brodziak-Kassian would be the defacto hard minutes “3rd line” and face the toughs

    I have:
    Caggulia Brodziak Kassian(until he gets dealt for cap space)
    Then Aberg
    For my 4L

  151. Wilde says:

    Blues have an interesting team next year, especially if Fabbri is online.

    Schwartz – Schenn – Tarasenko

    Steen – O’Reilly – Perron

    Fabbri – Bozak – Kyrou

    Jaskin – Barbashev – Soshnikov

    That’s fucking fire.

  152. Wilde says:

    I don’t love their LD situation though. Lots of older guys that weren’t really that great to begin with.

  153. Sierra says:

    Didn’t see this posted. Apologies if I missed it. Brossoit signs 1 year deal with Jets for 650k.

  154. JimmyV1965 says:

    Wilde:
    Blues have an interesting team next year, especially if Fabbri is online.

    Schwartz – Schenn – Tarasenko

    Steen – O’Reilly – Perron

    Fabbri – Bozak – Kyrou

    Jaskin – Barbashev – Soshnikov

    That’s fucking fire.

    I agree that this is an interesting lineup, but I’m not sure it’s fire. I see a lot of question marks there outside the first line and O’Reilly. And even the first line has questions. Does Schenn repeat last year’s numbers? Does Schwartz get hurt again? I mean this lineup could be dynamite but it could implode as well.

  155. rickithebear says:

    Westchester Oil: Tavares – Filppula, what’s the difference?

    16/17 to 17/18
    Tavares 159gm -8
    Filppula 160gm -8

    One gm?

  156. Atc-Nate says:

    Given the tinkering and assuming health for Talbot and McGod, I think this is a playoff team. Why? Well, I can honestly say that if (he who shall not be named) can drag Jersey into a playoff spot, I believe #97 can do the same with the Oilers. I digress however and will return to my observatory until the timer on summer has run its course and training camp arrives with aplomb. Yes, I realize there’s nothing factual in this post, but it’s 2:46 a.m. and the internet is dead so here we are.

  157. Spooky Lynx says:

    James Neal signs 5 year, $5.75 mil AAV with the Flames. Suboptimal. Very, very suboptimal.

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sub-optimal for them or us?

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m just fine with the James Neal signing for the flames given he’ll be 31 to start the season.

    Probably helps them score some goals but he was somehow -11 on a team with a plus 44 goal differential and his relative goal share was almost -12 which is abysmal.

    His team gives up ALOT when he’s on the ice, wow!

  160. Todd Macallan says:

    Neal is a horrific cheap shot artist and diver, could not have gone to a better team!

  161. leadfarmer says:

    Spooky Lynx:
    James Neal signs 5 year, $5.75 mil AAV with the Flames. Suboptimal. Very, very suboptimal.

    Amazing absolutely awesome
    That deal will look horrible in exactly, well now. It looks horrible now
    I knew someone would give him 6 per on a long term deal
    I do think Calgary just signs guys they hear Edmonton is interested in

  162. OilSafety says:

    Neal probably decided to sign there once he heard the oil would be trading luc this morning and that they decided to go with Maroon 😉

  163. Spooky Lynx says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    For the Oilers.

    That contract will likely become an albatross in a few seasons, but I think he makes Calgary a better team today (though that goal diff you posted is interesting). He’s also dirty, as Todd MacAllan said earlier. I’d prefer he had left the Pacific altogether.

  164. Todd Macallan says:

    Spooky Lynx,

    The upside of said dirt is his terrible reputation with the officials. Between him, Tkachuk and Bennett, the Flames will live in the box while Bouchard rains down bombs for PP goals. (insert maniacal laughter)

  165. leadfarmer says:

    Spooky Lynx:
    OriginalPouzar,

    For the Oilers.

    That contract will likely become an albatross in a few seasons, but I think he makes Calgary a better team today (though that goal diff you posted is interesting). He’s also dirty, as Todd MacAllan said earlier. I’d prefer he had left the Pacific altogether.

    Flames just went hey remember the contracts given out to Lucic, Okposo, Ladd, Erickson. Yeah we’re good with that.

  166. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    And how the heck did Tatar go -11 in the 20 games he played for them.

  167. shawwwood says:

    Reports had Laleggia signing with St. Louis but cap friendly has him signed with oilers.
    2 years AAV $675000
    Anyone see confirmation anywhere else?

  168. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    leadfarmer: Amazing absolutely awesome
    That deal will look horrible in exactly, well now. It looks horrible now
    I knew someone would give him 6 per on a long term deal
    I do think Calgary just signs guys they hear Edmonton is interested in

    Creepy as hell isnt it… I even remember someone in this thread calling out to Treliving about needing to sign Neal to a long term bloated contract cause “the oilers were interested in him too!”
    Hilarious! 😂

    Edit: it was Leadfarmer

    “Any word on James Neal. Waiting to see who overpays for him. Cmon Calgary you heard we liked him last year please pay 7 year 6.5 per”

  169. OriginalPouzar says:

    No surprise at all but Slepy’s KHL deal is now official.

  170. shawwwood says:

    Pakarinen too

  171. JimmyV1965 says:

    I think Neal will help them next year at least. The guy can flat out score. But they’ll be hating the contract right away. The Flames have a real interesting team. Lots of changes from last year. I’m not sure they have done anything in net though, which seems a bit strange. And I’m not sure they’re any better.

  172. leadfarmer says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I think Neal will help them next year at least. The guy can flat out score. But they’ll be hating the contract right away. The Flames have a real interesting team. Lots of changes from last year.I’m not sure they have done anything in net though, which seems a bit strange. And I’m not sure they’re any better.

    Yeah I agree. All that work for it to just fall apart when Smith’s groin fails.

  173. Sierra says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I think Neal will help them next year at least. The guy can flat out score. But they’ll be hating the contract right away. The Flames have a real interesting team. Lots of changes from last year.I’m not sure they have done anything in net though, which seems a bit strange. And I’m not sure they’re any better.

    I feel the Flames are much better, spit, but their hopes do rely on Smith having healthy groins.

    The Oilers have fallen back from the pack. They definitely need internal growth and better coaching this coming season.

  174. russ99 says:

    At this point I’m bumping Jesse up to Connor’s line.

    I don’t see Rattie any more than a temporary solution or a 3rd/4th liner.

    Given a good summer of workouts and a good camp, Jesse would be a great fit with Connor and RNH. His shot is potentially the best of that line, unless Connor takes a big step up. He’s great on the wall and in puck retrieval, so he could help Connor’s line get more shots per sortie better than RNH or Rattie.

    RNH could be the first forward back so Jesse’s defensive concerns would be minimized.

    So I’m going:

    RNH – McDavid – Puljujarvi
    Lucic (or his replacement) – Draisaitl – Rieder
    Caggiula – Strome – Aberg
    Khaira – Brodziak – Kassian (finally a shutdown line vs. toughs, for PK and late in games)

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